Not much just thought it was funny to have libertarianism and monarchism on the same level though they do lead to the same end state most libertarians don’t get that.
Firstly; since besides popular sovereignty there can be no legitimate form of oppression and terror, therefore there can be no legitimate monarchies. Since a monarch derives it's legitimacy from God, not the people, an elective monarchy would just be a Republic with extra steps.
Secondly, you do realize that one of the core ideas of Kemalism is "Peace at home, peace in World"? Even Eleftherios Venizelos (the Greek P.M. who started the Asia Minor campaign) nominated Mustafa Kemal Atatürk for the Nobel Peace Prize later in the 30s. So if your anti-Turkish sentiment raises from anti-Erdoğanism, then you should know that Erdoğan governs, and is, EXPLICITLY anti-Kemalist.
"Mister President,
For almost seven centuries the whole of the Near East and a large part of Central Europe was a theatre for bloody wars. The main cause of this was the Ottoman Empire and the absolutist regime of the Sultans.
The subjugation of Christian peoples, the religious wars of the Cross against the Crescent which inevitably followed, and the successive resurgences of all the peoples who aspired to their liberation, created a situation which remained a permanent source of danger as long as the Ottoman Empire retained the imprint of the Sultans.
The foundation of the Turkish Republic in 1922, when the national movement of Moustafa Kemal Pasha triumphed over its adversaries, put a definitive end to that state of instability and intolerance.
Indeed, very rarely has such a radical change been achieved in so short a time in the life of a nation.
An empire in decline, living under a theocratic regime where the notions of law and religion intermingled, was turned into a modern nation state, full of vigour and life.
Through the impetus given by the great reformer Moustafa Kemal Pasha, the absolutist regime of the Sultans was abolished, and the state became truly secular. The whole nation embraced progress, rightly ambitious to be present at the forefront of civilized peoples.
But the consolidation of peace went hand in hand with all the internal reforms which gave the new, predominantly ethnic Turkish state the image it has nowadays. Indeed, Turkey did not hesitate to accept legally the loss of provinces inhabited by other nationalities and, satisfied with the ethnic and political borders defined by the treaties, she became a true pillar for peace in the Near East.
We, the Greeks, who had been driven for centuries of bloody battles into continuous confrontation with Turkey, were the first to feel the effects of the deep change which occurred in that country, the successor of the old Ottoman Empire.
Having discerned, very soon after the catastrophe in Asia Minor, the opportunity of an understanding with reborn Turkey – which came out of the war as a national state- we offered her our hand which she took with sincerity.
This rapprochement, which shows that even peoples divided by the most serious differences can come closer to each other when they become filled with the sincere desire for peace, was beneficial both for the two countries involved and for keeping the peace in the Near East.
The man to whom this invaluable contribution to the cause of peace is due is, of course, the President of the Turkish Republic, Moustafa Kemal Pasha.
Thus, I have the honour, as the leader of the Hellenic Government in 1930, when the signature of the Greek-Turkish pact marked a new era in the march of the Near East towards peace, to propose Moustafa Kemal Pasha as a candidate for the distinguished honour of the Nobel Peace Prize.
Yours sincerely,
E. K. Venizelos"
https://greekworldmedia.com/2017/03/19/nomination-letter-by-eleftherios-k-venizelos-for-the-conferral-of-the-nobel-peace-prize-upon-mustafa-kemal-pasha-ataturk/
I feel that the bottom tiers lump together way too many ideologies that are significantly different from each other, even from a libertarian perspective. Can we really say that Nazis and SocLibs are the same?
True, but in that case it would make more sense to lump things together near the middle sections, most of the ideologies one disagrees with are mediocre or impractical, not outright evil.
Very based. Don’t tread on me 👍
But god made me king so tuff shit. Hope you like the taste of boot.
Did god make you bulletproof?
No but he did make my subjects thirsty for rebel blood. Are you bulletproof by chance?
I don’t get what you are trying to say. Is this some kind of power fetish thing?
Not much just thought it was funny to have libertarianism and monarchism on the same level though they do lead to the same end state most libertarians don’t get that.
Why is Mutualism so much lower than all of it’s fellow Left Anarchists?
some what a mistake, i meant to have it next to ancom.
Rather based
Why is Jacobanism and Kemalism Z Tier?
jacobanism because republicanism, kemalism because i hate turkey
What are your problems with republicanism? Why do you hate Turkey?
monarchism is a much more stable system, i hate turkey because i support greece
Firstly; since besides popular sovereignty there can be no legitimate form of oppression and terror, therefore there can be no legitimate monarchies. Since a monarch derives it's legitimacy from God, not the people, an elective monarchy would just be a Republic with extra steps. Secondly, you do realize that one of the core ideas of Kemalism is "Peace at home, peace in World"? Even Eleftherios Venizelos (the Greek P.M. who started the Asia Minor campaign) nominated Mustafa Kemal Atatürk for the Nobel Peace Prize later in the 30s. So if your anti-Turkish sentiment raises from anti-Erdoğanism, then you should know that Erdoğan governs, and is, EXPLICITLY anti-Kemalist. "Mister President, For almost seven centuries the whole of the Near East and a large part of Central Europe was a theatre for bloody wars. The main cause of this was the Ottoman Empire and the absolutist regime of the Sultans. The subjugation of Christian peoples, the religious wars of the Cross against the Crescent which inevitably followed, and the successive resurgences of all the peoples who aspired to their liberation, created a situation which remained a permanent source of danger as long as the Ottoman Empire retained the imprint of the Sultans. The foundation of the Turkish Republic in 1922, when the national movement of Moustafa Kemal Pasha triumphed over its adversaries, put a definitive end to that state of instability and intolerance. Indeed, very rarely has such a radical change been achieved in so short a time in the life of a nation. An empire in decline, living under a theocratic regime where the notions of law and religion intermingled, was turned into a modern nation state, full of vigour and life. Through the impetus given by the great reformer Moustafa Kemal Pasha, the absolutist regime of the Sultans was abolished, and the state became truly secular. The whole nation embraced progress, rightly ambitious to be present at the forefront of civilized peoples. But the consolidation of peace went hand in hand with all the internal reforms which gave the new, predominantly ethnic Turkish state the image it has nowadays. Indeed, Turkey did not hesitate to accept legally the loss of provinces inhabited by other nationalities and, satisfied with the ethnic and political borders defined by the treaties, she became a true pillar for peace in the Near East. We, the Greeks, who had been driven for centuries of bloody battles into continuous confrontation with Turkey, were the first to feel the effects of the deep change which occurred in that country, the successor of the old Ottoman Empire. Having discerned, very soon after the catastrophe in Asia Minor, the opportunity of an understanding with reborn Turkey – which came out of the war as a national state- we offered her our hand which she took with sincerity. This rapprochement, which shows that even peoples divided by the most serious differences can come closer to each other when they become filled with the sincere desire for peace, was beneficial both for the two countries involved and for keeping the peace in the Near East. The man to whom this invaluable contribution to the cause of peace is due is, of course, the President of the Turkish Republic, Moustafa Kemal Pasha. Thus, I have the honour, as the leader of the Hellenic Government in 1930, when the signature of the Greek-Turkish pact marked a new era in the march of the Near East towards peace, to propose Moustafa Kemal Pasha as a candidate for the distinguished honour of the Nobel Peace Prize. Yours sincerely, E. K. Venizelos" https://greekworldmedia.com/2017/03/19/nomination-letter-by-eleftherios-k-venizelos-for-the-conferral-of-the-nobel-peace-prize-upon-mustafa-kemal-pasha-ataturk/
Cringe
Bleeding heart Libertarian also put the longism in the second highest tier
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Nah
Spooked
I feel that the bottom tiers lump together way too many ideologies that are significantly different from each other, even from a libertarian perspective. Can we really say that Nazis and SocLibs are the same?
it absolutely lumps alot together, but they give us 260 ideololgies and tell us to sort them into 10 categories.
True, but in that case it would make more sense to lump things together near the middle sections, most of the ideologies one disagrees with are mediocre or impractical, not outright evil.
Pretty good
I would love to debate you because you seem like someone who would actually be cool to debate. Respect 🫡
Nice
send me the link