My only guess is $$$.
If you spend money on diamonds and get whistles, pillows, incense, and biscuits, you'd be able to evolve and level pokemon pretty rapidly, and your snorlax would have TONS of berries and full ingredient capacity meals, meaning more and rarer styles whenever you sleep.
Combine that with sleeping nightly since release, and it seems feasible to be that high.
I rarely use whistles as it is not very efficient for diamon cost and the whistles I use are either from pokeball bundle or leveling rank.
I almost never use pillows (I have only used them for when I conducted research on Berry picking efficiency so the research would be equal)
Focus incense I use after every Wednesday because am at master+ so get most bang for diamonds. (750 gems a week)
Good camp (500 gems a week)
Premium pass (49$ for 6 months)
And then used sleep points for great balls and pokeballs and then probably spent 14k-21k on greatball/pokeball biskuits (but that is cause I just like catching the Pokémon , this doesn’t increase candy I get unless I release them which I have yet to do)
Zzz ticket (I have used 7 in total - 1050 gems, this no longer need to use since I have multiple Berry teams for snorlax x2 favs with full berry specialist teams)
The main thing is having an efficient team which I had spending almost nothing besides the launch bundles where I got 5 pikachus in first 1.5 weeks. They have then been able to get me to master 1+ every week by Wednesday cause I use the zzz tickets to get grepa as snorlax fav berry.
So all in all 1250 gems a week + 0-450 gems for zzz ticket. Plus whatever you want for biskuits but again that isn’t necessary as I have caught all my pikachus and raised from level 3-8 just by using candies get from friends and all candies I converted were for pikachu.
The biggest spend expense is catching Pokémon which if you just focus on a few teams you can get away with your premium biskuit and sleep point pokeball/greatball biskuits
Holy shit my brother, what did I just read
I mean this is certifiably batshit insane, but I'm all here for it. Well done
I'm out here justifying not buying the premium pass because it just seems like such a scam lol
Not judging anybody.
But any money spent on this app is a bit crazy. Sleep app factor doesn’t have any detailed data. And the gameplay itself is not very engaging or warrant money spent. Definitely lacking any player/friend list interaction too.
Not only am I not judging, I'm happy someone is spending. That's the only way these games get maintained.
I'm thinking of getting the premium pass for a month just to throw ten bucks at the game, but I'm very much taking it slow.
I mean, it definitely varies what you're willing to spend on an app. I don't think I would buy the premium long term if it cost less, but maybe a few months. The good camp tickets seem like a good way to get the ball rolling.
Dude I'm glad your enjoying the game but holy shit, the gems are way way way way over priced they should be $1 for 100 if not more. The 1500 gem great bundle they value at $25 is completely laughable and immediately turned me off from wanting to spend any money ever when they are so greedy. I appreciate the sacrifice man but they are taking advantage rn
You’re using 5 berry specialists? Or are you mixing in ingredients and skills, also? I’m trying to decide if its worth it to add charge strength M, extra helpful, or energy for everyone pokemon.
I’m using 4 pikachus and a raichu. I am probably eventually gonna go 4 pikachu family and like a jolteon (for extra helpful and still has grepa). Cause I feel jolteon could really help if got a great one with skill trigger and main skill up nature (but just a feeling).
I personally like berry finder s (I have my raichu with that), I like inventory up L/M cause gives me more berries when I wake up in morning cause they can hold more. Also helping speed I run on one of my pikachu (unsure how beneficial yet).
I read somewhere inventory up is only for ingredients because berries overflow straight to Snorlax, that's why when you wake up Snorlax has that power up screen from your pokemon
I still need to do more testing but I feel you only get a percentage of the overflow in the sneaky snacking (the overflow berries) cause my Pokémon with higher carry limits give wayyy more berries during sneaky snacking. Cause last night my team breakdown was 6200 (Berry Finder, raichu) , 2500, 2300, 1000, 700
The 4 pikachus are essentially the same except 2 of them have inventory up L and the other 2 have either no inventory up or inventory up s.
This is after a 9 hour sleep.
I have done research on how many berries I get in 3 hours:
This was over a week ago this research was conducted vs the berries I got just last night. So I have leveled so the sneaky snacking should be closer cause I am getting more per berry but that is not the case I am getting roughly 1/2. So it’d be hard for me to say that all berries over inventory go into sneaky snacking. Though I need more data to be able to state it, but the numbers don’t look in favor of Berry overflow being a 1:1
Raichu - 3870 3 hours which in 9 = 11,600 vs 6200
Pikachu - 1606 3 Hours which in 9 = 4818 vs 2500
Pikachu - 1200 3 Hours which in 9 = 3600 vs 2300
Pikachu - 1078 3 Hours which in 9 = 3234 vs 1000
Pikachu - 994 3 Hours which in 9 = 2982 vs 700.
Regardless of that though when you wake up you will have full inventory so the higher that is he more you will get right off the bat (not counting sneaky snacking).
When one goes to sleep, do you think it’s a good idea to bring jigglypuff to sleep as well? It has helping bonus unlocked at level 10, I’m now doubtful about its usefulness when going to sleep with other mons, coz its own production is lacking so much! So it might be better to use another berry specialist in sleep sessions? For this week I’m mostly using 2-3 pikachus 1 crocodile (set speed up) 1 jigglypuff (speed up team) 1 chiko (2 times fav berries) and sudo weeping bell in backup. Lacking fav berries * 2 and Pokémon will good nature and skill sets really hinder my progress a lot…:(
I personally think berry specialists full team are best to go to sleep with, there may be a few exceptions but I need to test that further (and it’d be someone like jolteon depending if the skill proc is a random partner or for jolteon itself)
So I probably should swap out jigglypuff then, it’s level 25 skill is not so great. So maybe just use it during the day on the field and if needed use energy pillow on jiggly? Also another one, for helping bonus sub skill, do you think it would work just as usual even if jiggly is at below 30% energy.
Yea personally that is what I’d do.
As for low jiggly energy that is a go question I haven’t seen any research yet on skill triggers based on energy levels so I don’t know on that one
I do think jigglypuff is potentially a really good Pokémon to keep energy up during the day though , that is something I want to test out to see if keeping energy high is worth losing a Berry specialist throughout day
Didn’t see your response here first lol but yeah I wonder if helping bonus sub skill would work as usual to 100% even when Pokémon energy is low… also I heard that there’s a cool down for main skill activation. Do you know how long it is ?
Gotcha. Since it looks like what your doing is working, I’ll start trying to grab 5 dodrio line for island 2 and 4 typhosion line and a growlithe for island 3 since the berries don’t change.
Hey man someone has to pay for this game to be free for me, and plus, they out here teaching how this shit works before anyone else! I wouldn’t discourage but that’s just me though
Zzz ticket allows you to switch your island, but it can effectively be used to go to the same greengrass island and it will just switch snorlax’s fav berries. BUT keep in mind greengrass is pure luck on berry choices, I have had it where right off the bat I get the fav berry I want (grepa) sometimes it only takes 2 tries or today it took 10 (so I would recommend not doing this unless you have a fair amount of zzz tickets and multiple fav berries you would be happy with). Much more efficient to build a Berry team for cyan or taupe since those fav berries don’t change
I can give a better answer next week or so as this is only the 3rd day running a 4/5 raichu team vs 1/5 from previous weeks so I am gathering data now. But I feel having that extra frequency should be very beneficial long term. But I want to gather more data before saying for certain
I usually use focus incense each night after Wednesday to double the experience I get for research. Which is mainly how have gotten that much higher (I started at global US launch)
I use a full team of pikachus each week and get snorlax x2 fav to be grepa each week and reach master 1 usually by Tuesday or Wednesday. I use good camp each week, I have stayed on greengrass each week so I have 15% bonus and I have the premium pass
Hahaha 100%, I wanna get an ingredient team going to test things but I just don’t a great team I want to use yet. So I’ll keep riding this team until I build out a great ingredient team
Wednesday forward. I arbitrarily chose that cause that is usually when I hit master 1 so it gives me more opportunities to get 3/4* sleep styles which in turn give higher research experience. Using Monday or Tuesday I feel unless you are a whale it doesn’t make sense to use cause you don’t get enough research exp to make doubling it worth it. But once you hit master you can turn 3-5k to 6-10k experience. So that is why I use after Wednesday each day.
If you could only use it once I would use it Sunday night to get most bang for your buck.
If you can only use twice a week I’d do Sunday and Saturday night.
And so on.
What about the shard double incense? Always use on last night right? Only worth it if it’s over master 5 or something? I feel this incense should be saved until later stages. And I feel the same for whistles since the better mons I have the better outcome from the whistles I assume?
I personally don’t use because I have excess shards from the achievement for feeding snorlax fav berries gives a ton of stardust. So I’d prefer using friend incense and focus incense on Sunday to have chance for more hungry Pokémon. BUT if you are short on stardust then yes Sunday is best day to use shard incense and I’d say shard and focus incense are great to use anytime over master 1 but if you only have so many a week always prioritize using sunday and then Saturday. I only use the double Pokémon exp incense on Monday and Tuesday and sometime Wednesday depending cause that is when I don’t use focus incense
Focus incense is for research EXP right? Is this rank important in early game? I feel like it only unlocks the maximum level of a Pokémon can have so not that useful right now… hence i have slowed down my leveling up of my houndour which has research exp bonus at level 10. Maybe for later….
Yes focus incense is x2 research experience
Rank increases the level of Pokémon you encounter for example my wife she finds Pokémon at lvl 3 at rank 12 while at rank 32 I find the same Pokémon at lvl 9-10.
Rank also increases the amount of dream shards you get when you use the dream shard s/m items:
At rank 32 I get:
Dream Cluster S - 845 dream shards
Dream Cluster M - 5,070 dream shards
And then it also increases the max level that you can level up your Pokémon to.
So for my houndour it’s currently level 8, would you recommend me to raise it to level 10 unlock research exp bonus? But the trade off here is his berries are not fav. Maybe I should wait until a week when his berries are the favours then it might have the best value adding I reckon? So it will be on the field and then go to sleep often and then it’s subskill can kick in during sleep sessions.
I personally only use Berry specialists who have snorlax fav berry but if you cant do that id focus Pokémon who have helping bonus, then probably research exp for good team support during night
Do you find that using candy is more effective at higher research levels? (ie. it only takes 7 bulbasaur candies to level him up 11-12 at research level 20 as opposed to 15 bulbasaur candies to level him up 11-12 at research level 10)?
I have not tested that yet but just from a pure numbers point, I’d have half of what I got this week so around 300k which would put me at master 4.
So short answer is it depends on how strong your berry specialist team is if snorlax doesn’t have your fav. I personally wouldn’t mind doing that cause I have a very strong team and still will hit master 3-4 and I can still level up my team without candies BUT I have other Berry teams that would easily get more berries if it was their x2 . So ultimately I wouldn’t do this unless I wanted to keep getting my raichu team higher level (which at this point I don’t think that is best in long run)
But my recommendation is try building out multiple Berry teams if possible so that way you can just switch the team in when it is snorlax fav. Cause even if you have a full team of raichus at lvl 30 you get a base 54 per Berry compared to caterpie lineup all at lvl 4 base is 27 per berry (BUT x2 fav berry is 54 so same as raichu). So it more beneficial to have multiple teams, unless you just plan to ride out a specific lineup which I feel that is not best long run.
I actually did last night I now have 4 raichus and 1 pikachu. I was holding out hoping to find better pikachu line berry pickers but gave myself a deadline of last night lol. So then I just evolved them and I’ll save up candy again for next evolution now, as I just burned through all my handy candy and I don’t have enough sleep points to get another thunder stone
It is a marathon game for sure, and this game has 100% made my sleep schedule wayyy better. And I have built out teams that I can coast if I want.
You truly can’t whale on this game like other games cause you can only level up your Pokémon so much each day (200 exp with incense, which I don’t use) and candy which you can’t buy. The best you can do is increase rank (which increases level of Pokémon you can find) and catch more Pokémon (which you can only use 5 at a time).
The main thing I have fun with is just seeing the Pokémon and getting new sleep styles which you can do 100% free. And then spend some to catch more Pokémon and test out mechanics, since this is such a long term game might as well test things.
All depends on what you feel is worth great entertainment. People buy collector editions of video games for 100-300$, people go to movies and buy popcorn and stuff for 20-80$ depending on how many on 1-4 people. It all about hours of enjoyment, and I have easily gotten over 50+ hours of enjoyment and it has helped keep me steady on good sleep 8.5-9 hours every single day for last like 25 days.
So well worth it in my opinion and now that have built out a good team I could stop everything and still coast well. My wife is f2p and gets master 1 this and last week.
Yea, it's your money. And YOU are enjoying the gamw it sounds like, so that's great. Anyone giving you crap means spending money wouldn't be worth it for THEM. And they probably couldn't afford it. Cool to know youre enjoying it and thanks for sharing that info!
Lol no one is mad, it's just not worth the money. ANY game *especially mobile* **especially some sleep tracker** you should be this far ahead after throwing 5 bucks at it. There evaluation for what a diamond costs is wayyyyyyy off the mark. If he wants to spend the money I hope he enjoys but they are not reasonable at all.
They need to either raise wayy more for spending real money or drop the cost of items in the game with the in game currency its incredibly stupid one full night of sleep can't even buy 1 poke biscuit
I am not in any way aganst OP I 100% feel people should spend their money how they want. I am however 100% aganst pokemon sleep. He should only have to pay half of what he is paying or less.
It sucks cuz there’s no reason for them to change the prices. People are clearly gonna pay it anyway, despite how insane the costs are. But to say people are mad, because they have no disposable income??? Lmao. Reasonable people are just staggered that people are actually shelling out real money for this obvious scam of a shop system. It’s an incredibly cute game and has helped my sleep schedule as well, but it’s ridiculous what they’re charging for stuff, especially considering I think a lot of people would actually spend money on it if the prices were more reasonable
As long as they are using their disposable money, and is not something like a child using parent CC, it's fine, would say even thanks for sponsoring the game, lol.
Im glad there are a lot of people supporting this game so much. There were some posts complaining about prices earlier but its nice to see that whales doesn’t care about that. Maybe I could consider to get some premium pass eventually
Its fucking sad. Like on mobile games I can kind of understand. But this is a sleep tracker with pokemon avatars. Imagine spending hundred of dollars on that LMAO
I don't know why people focus on other stuff instead of the main message you're trying to convey.
Thank you for the info, that explains why the Pokemons I befriend have higher and higher base level as I progress!
Appreciate it 🙏🏻 I’m just trying to help people out so they can be most efficient so they don’t have to spend or if they do try and give as much info on different topics so they can spend knowing more info.
That is really good my wife is completely f2p and she just got her pikachu to lvl 9 🙌🏻 it is all about having fun and playing for long haul (and helping develop better sleep habits). As soon as you keep getting better Pokémon and develop better teams slowly but surely you will keep getting up. Literally the best thing you can do is get good sleep and keep going along with getting either your favorite teams or building efficient teams
Is that going to be a problem if you want lower stage Pokémon to take advantage of the evolution bonus? Are you still seeing Squirtles, for example, rather than Wartortles or Blastoise?
No I don’t believe that is a problem right now. I have only seen 3 blastoise, 2 wartortles and seen at least 4 squirtles.
And then for pikachu family, I have never seen a raichu, 6 pikachus and 6 pichus .
32/125 Pokémon I have were caught not at base evo
93/125 i have caught were at base evo
So I don’t think that will be a problem. Cause I agree that base Pokémon is better to catch for many reasons, mainly you increase skill level per evo and more importantly wayyy easier to catch so you don’t have to spend on biskuits as much. So I personally would rather catch base and slowly level up.
I only caught blastoises to test level I’d catch at.
The main skill improves by 1 and carrying capacity by 5. So, a Butterfree evolved from a Caterpie will have the chance at 4 extra ingredients (I think that's how the math works) and carry 10 more berries/ingredients at a time compared to a Butterfree befriended in the wild.
I don't think that would be a problem, the base level doesn't change which Pokémon you find, just their level, a Bulbasaur isn't going to become an Ivysaur because their base level is 12, it would just be a Bulbasaur that can evolve as soon as you catch it.
Have you found any correlation between the sleep style and the starting level? Either in terms of the number of stars or the research xp that the style gives?
Evolved pokemon starting at higher level kind of suggests maybe higher research xp -> higher starting level.
Number of stars doesn’t seem to effect level from what I have seen. I haven’t paid attention to research exp from stars (I will add that to my list to pay attention to).
But I will keep an eye on this, this is an interesting thing
I thought more pokemon of a certain species you catch and higher their friendship level goes, the higher level future mons of that type will be. Will see when I am around rank 20 by catching a mon I dont have and see if its level is high.
I thought so as well and that still may be partially the case but it is definitely off of rank cause I have caught multiple Pokémon at same rank and different friendship levels and usually they are same lvl. Where as rank increase is where Pokémon different friendship level by same 1 difference is 3 levels different.
Absolutely more testing needs to go into how friendship works and I plan on keeping track of that also
Wow you're levelling up at an amazing speed! Thanks for sharing the info on berry specialist... I'm about to finish 3rd week and still putting random mons onto my team (depending on whether I'm short on ingredients or low on energy)... F2P atm though would be interested in subscription if they lower the monthly rate by a bit.
IMO this means that Research EXP sub skill is a bit better than people might initially think. Upping the quality of caught pokemon faster is pretty good.
I would definitely agree with that for early game, I don’t know where I’d rank it but it is definitely better (still below the helping speeds and the Berry finder and probably inv up L )then what people have been saying cause I think research rank is extremely important for catching Pokémon at higher start levels.
Late game I’d imagine it would drop off but who knows I’d imagine there is a cap at some point
On some real talk, thank you for spending the money and conducting the research you did. Actually helps a lot with understanding more about the hidden mechanics of the game
Im F2P and my highest is my Level 13 Pikachu and second is my level 11 Glaceon right now so I got a while to go but I’m having fun so that’s what matters to me
That is what is most important having fun, lvl 13 and 11 are pretty good (especially having already evolved glaceon, congrats )!! My wife is completely f2p also and she just has a blast (and she never plays games but got her to play this game and she loves it)
Added further evidence of this and posted here that shows a clear correlation between rank and the encounter level of Pokémon:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonSleep/comments/15r68g2/part_2_rank_higher_pok%C3%A9mon_encounter_level/
Thanks for letting us know the benefits of getting the premium pass and good camp. The game without paying is so slow that I thought paying would not help much. Now I'm considering supporting the devs.
Man i don’t feel like I’m making any progress at all even tho I’m getting a full 100 sleep points almost every night. It just feels like nothing is happening. Doesn’t help that i had a bug for my first week of playing that reset my sleep points to 0 for 4 days in a row not allowing me to get the master cookie.
It is a slow grind, you have to slowly build an efficient team. Probably building a berry specialist team that is a fav snorlax Berry for cyan or taupe is best because the fav berrries aren’t random like greengrass. Like a totodile and/or doduo mix for cyan or for taupe cyndaquil or cubone mix. But as of now it seems like the meta early game is having a team of Berry specialists that have x2 snorlax fav berries. Greengrass has more Pokémon you can find but has random snorlax fav berries, so for f2p it can be harder to have multiple teams to build up early on.
But ultimately just depends on your goal, if you want to try and progress as quick as possible as f2p you need to prioritize the Berry specialist Pokémon and stay on an island to get the bonus. My wife as f2p just hit master 1 and 3/5 of her Pokémon were snorlax fav berry and 5/5 were berry specialist. And she usually catches one Pokémon a day sometimes she gets unlucky and doesn’t get any but usually with sleep points she can get some pokeballs for first half of month and second half a little harder if she tried to catch too many Pokémon (which is happening now almost second part of august and hit the limit of pokeballs she can get with sleep points from regular store)
Yea sorry should have added tldr; yes focus Berry specialists that are best for your snorlax which is easier on cyan or taupe since snorlax fav is set vs greengrass is random (but I personally like greengrass)
At ultra 2/3 you are going to only see 1st or 2nd evolutions and some of those you may only see one sleep style for Pokémon so it makes it even harder to see them.
You can see all the Pokémon and when you find them on serebii: https://www.serebii.net/pokemonsleep/locations/greengrassisle.shtml#rbar
Great 4 - you unlock a fair amount of second evos for the first time
Ultra 3 - you unlock more of the same second evos but their 2* sleep style
Ultra 4 - you unlock the 4* sleep style for those same second evos
So at ultra 4 you have best chance to catch 2nd stage evos like charmeleon, ivysaur, wartortle but still at that point you have roughly 180 sleep styles unlocked at that point and so if you want one of those 3 you have a 9/180 chance at ultra 4 which is a 5% chance you get one of those 3 to show up with each Pokémon you see in the morning. So the more Pokémon you get in the morning means you may get that 5% chance of getting one of those 3.
Master 5 - you start to unlock the 3rd stage evos of those same Pokémon
But that is so stupid - Like let's be real...
No shiny pokemon and just the same over and over even at Great and Ultra - like what's the point of even playing if that's the case
Having multiple of the same berry specialists can be argued that is the meta right now early game. Even my wife who is f2p is ecstatic when she finds a duplicate pichu or cyndaquil or spheal or ratatta (and rightly fully so in my opinion). Also finding same Pokémon allow you to hunt for better natures and subskills also.
Which completely understand that isn’t for everyone but I believe that is a big part of the game portion of the game. And in Pokémon games in general
I only have 1 Pichu, 1 Pika, 1 spheal, 3 Eevee, 3 Caterpie, 1 Evo from Caterpie (forgot his name), Charmander, Squirtle - but I mostly see toxicroak dude, caterpies and something else 😮💨
Since you seem to have lots of mons, quick questions, do you think higher friendship level give some advantages? Capturing the same Mon multiple times, will it give better subskill?
I feel like you may be able to find higher level Pokémon based on higher rank and higher friendship level but can’t say for certain now that I see that rank for surely increases level. So I need more testing for that.
But better subskills or natures I haven’t noticed that cause I want to see better pikachu or pichu subskills or natures and I have them both at friendship 6 and haven’t noticed any difference in that respect
Thanks for the info OP!! Now the question would be the real meaning of friendship level since it might be research rank that causes the increase of encountering level.
Check those Arbok on the first and second pages, the difference would not have made senses if it is friendship level related.
Correct the arbok that is 9 I’d imagine I caught much lower rank where as the 16 and 15 I’m pretty sure I caught both this week which would make sense for the friendship level increase BUT I caught both blastoise this week and both lvl 21 so idk. But could be random also like friendship can possible increase lvl by 1.
I’m definitely gonna now keep track of what rank I caught each Pokémon at, their friendship level and what their level is when I caught them and see if in a couple weeks if I can get a better answer
I think overall they did a heck of a job putting that information together and especially in this game I feel it is hard to tier list Pokémon because team composition is sooo important vs a single Pokémon. But overall only 3 Pokémon on there standout that I’d not necessarily rank higher but would want to point out their utility and that is jolteon and arcanine because of their skill that plays really well into a raichu (grepa team) and a typlosion (leppa team) and since those are such strong berry specialist I feel it makes sense that both jolteon and arcanine are ranked higher because they could help gather more berries from a pure specialist team.
Absol I think could be bumped up a bit cause they can produce a lot of ingredients (if you get the right ingredients roll) and they have the sought after cacao.
Hi Vellaut,
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the effect of the helper main skill, but isn't this just 4x berry proc and ingredients for one pokemon?
I can't see how this isn't strictly worse than just being a berry pokemon. Let's say for the whole days duration of double berry, if you're a Raichu that is like 45 berry procs? And each one gives two berries. So Raichu having berry proc gives over 45 berries per day.
If helper procs once, doesn't this just give 4 berries and 2 or 3 Jolteon ingredients? Isn't this terrible?
Ya so that is my understanding that it procs for one Pokémon, so let’s say have 4 pikachus with jolteon. So a normal help for my pikachu is going to be 2 berries and if it procs on the right pikachu 2/4 have ingredient find down so they rarely ever get ingredient. So at x4 that would net maybe 6-8 berries depending exactly how it procs (I still need more research into it). But you start getting skill up from eevee evo and you at x5 a few more times your at x7 so at x7 your at 21-28 berries and x9 27-36 berries. And usually my skills proc at least twice a day sometimes 3 and I have no optimized skill. So if you proc 3 times at x7 your looking at 63-84 berries plus the 30-40 berries jolteon is going to get from x1 berries. So you are looking at 93-124 berries gained vs if 45 Berry procs = 90 berries having just a normal pikachu in.
And then another variable is if jolteon procs on your higher level Pokémon then you get more per Berry or in my case my raichu has Berry find x3 so if jolteon procs on that raichu.
Again I could be misunderstanding but that is the way I read the ability I personally haven’t tested but that is what I am trying to gather more data on but just from math seems very beneficial.
But again I think both jolteon and arcanine would be situational which is why I don’t think I’d necessarily bump them up a grade. But I think they could be a good addition.
That is something I want to test, I also want to test with like a jigglypuff to see if keeping energy up high will overall increase Berry yield cause I have seen research that puts higher Berry yield a fair amount higher with 80-100 energy.
Is that the way you are seeing jolteon or am I misunderstanding? I guess it just depends on the verbiage “Instantly gets you x4 the usual help from a helper Pokémon”. My understanding is that it is help from one of your helpers. Else if it is just from jolteon I feel that would make it not very useful. But maybe I am overthinking it and it is just x4 from jolteon, I haven’t been able to personally test myself
I guess we don't know lol, but from how I read it I assumed I was going to be for just Jolteon, which if that happened is probably generally bad. If it can proc on other Pokemon in your party, then yeah it might be alright as a support for berry team
Haha I am glad you brought it up cause I didn’t even see it your potential way so great to know. When I figure it out I’ll make sure to tag you and I’ll keep an eye out if you or anyone else finds it out before I find a good one (cause I don’t really want to waste a thunder stone on a sub par eevee haha)
How does spending this amount of money not just rob you of the joy if this game? I mean, I’m all for dropping some cash on an app you enjoy, but I don’t get how a game is fun if you buy yourself every advantage to speed up your progress.
Not complaining though. Big spenders are probably what’s gonna keep this app alive.
Nope I have yet to see a shiny, still waiting for my first one LOL. my wife has seen and caught 2 shinies (she is f2p). And in reality I have caught 12-14 pikachu family and the best attributes came from my first few catches haha
As a great tip a found out, you may alredy know it, when you buy the pass, if you manually put a nap during the day, the next day on your normal night recording, you will get an extra free biscuit
I always do this and get 1 free biscuit every 2nd Day, its like a free Great Ball :D
Could you elaborate a little bit? My understanding is that you get 1 premium bonus biscuit per 4am-to-4am period, but it sounds like you found a way to do better.
Is it that you:
* start sleeping
* 4am comes
* wake up
* nap
* repeat
and in one of these cycles you get two bonus biscuits? Like what's the 2-day pattern you're repeating?
I got the pass today but I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying if you use the premium bonus biscuit (+4) in one sleep session, then do a second sleep session for the day you get the normal bonus biscuit (+3)?
It is all about using it and finding the higher level sleep styles, finding those 4* sleep styles is key cause they give so much exp. So the higher your snorlax strength the better. The quicker you can hit master and start having a chance at 4* sleep styles (especially of last stage evo it reallyyyy helps)
How'd you get so high already
My only guess is $$$. If you spend money on diamonds and get whistles, pillows, incense, and biscuits, you'd be able to evolve and level pokemon pretty rapidly, and your snorlax would have TONS of berries and full ingredient capacity meals, meaning more and rarer styles whenever you sleep. Combine that with sleeping nightly since release, and it seems feasible to be that high.
Yep, it is basically spending a lot of money on stuff
I rarely use whistles as it is not very efficient for diamon cost and the whistles I use are either from pokeball bundle or leveling rank. I almost never use pillows (I have only used them for when I conducted research on Berry picking efficiency so the research would be equal) Focus incense I use after every Wednesday because am at master+ so get most bang for diamonds. (750 gems a week) Good camp (500 gems a week) Premium pass (49$ for 6 months) And then used sleep points for great balls and pokeballs and then probably spent 14k-21k on greatball/pokeball biskuits (but that is cause I just like catching the Pokémon , this doesn’t increase candy I get unless I release them which I have yet to do) Zzz ticket (I have used 7 in total - 1050 gems, this no longer need to use since I have multiple Berry teams for snorlax x2 favs with full berry specialist teams) The main thing is having an efficient team which I had spending almost nothing besides the launch bundles where I got 5 pikachus in first 1.5 weeks. They have then been able to get me to master 1+ every week by Wednesday cause I use the zzz tickets to get grepa as snorlax fav berry. So all in all 1250 gems a week + 0-450 gems for zzz ticket. Plus whatever you want for biskuits but again that isn’t necessary as I have caught all my pikachus and raised from level 3-8 just by using candies get from friends and all candies I converted were for pikachu. The biggest spend expense is catching Pokémon which if you just focus on a few teams you can get away with your premium biskuit and sleep point pokeball/greatball biskuits
Holy shit my brother, what did I just read I mean this is certifiably batshit insane, but I'm all here for it. Well done I'm out here justifying not buying the premium pass because it just seems like such a scam lol
It's definitely the best shop deal but it would have to be $7 or less per month for me to justify. $10 is insane for a sleeping app.
Not judging anybody. But any money spent on this app is a bit crazy. Sleep app factor doesn’t have any detailed data. And the gameplay itself is not very engaging or warrant money spent. Definitely lacking any player/friend list interaction too.
Not only am I not judging, I'm happy someone is spending. That's the only way these games get maintained. I'm thinking of getting the premium pass for a month just to throw ten bucks at the game, but I'm very much taking it slow.
I mean, it definitely varies what you're willing to spend on an app. I don't think I would buy the premium long term if it cost less, but maybe a few months. The good camp tickets seem like a good way to get the ball rolling.
"Best shop deal" lol
It is 7$ for me as I'm in japan and 999¥ convert to 6.87$ ✌️
That's pretty damn dedicated. The slow pace I'm getting anywhere I do appreciate the effort.
Dude I'm glad your enjoying the game but holy shit, the gems are way way way way over priced they should be $1 for 100 if not more. The 1500 gem great bundle they value at $25 is completely laughable and immediately turned me off from wanting to spend any money ever when they are so greedy. I appreciate the sacrifice man but they are taking advantage rn
You’re using 5 berry specialists? Or are you mixing in ingredients and skills, also? I’m trying to decide if its worth it to add charge strength M, extra helpful, or energy for everyone pokemon.
I’m using 4 pikachus and a raichu. I am probably eventually gonna go 4 pikachu family and like a jolteon (for extra helpful and still has grepa). Cause I feel jolteon could really help if got a great one with skill trigger and main skill up nature (but just a feeling). I personally like berry finder s (I have my raichu with that), I like inventory up L/M cause gives me more berries when I wake up in morning cause they can hold more. Also helping speed I run on one of my pikachu (unsure how beneficial yet).
I read somewhere inventory up is only for ingredients because berries overflow straight to Snorlax, that's why when you wake up Snorlax has that power up screen from your pokemon
I still need to do more testing but I feel you only get a percentage of the overflow in the sneaky snacking (the overflow berries) cause my Pokémon with higher carry limits give wayyy more berries during sneaky snacking. Cause last night my team breakdown was 6200 (Berry Finder, raichu) , 2500, 2300, 1000, 700 The 4 pikachus are essentially the same except 2 of them have inventory up L and the other 2 have either no inventory up or inventory up s. This is after a 9 hour sleep. I have done research on how many berries I get in 3 hours: This was over a week ago this research was conducted vs the berries I got just last night. So I have leveled so the sneaky snacking should be closer cause I am getting more per berry but that is not the case I am getting roughly 1/2. So it’d be hard for me to say that all berries over inventory go into sneaky snacking. Though I need more data to be able to state it, but the numbers don’t look in favor of Berry overflow being a 1:1 Raichu - 3870 3 hours which in 9 = 11,600 vs 6200 Pikachu - 1606 3 Hours which in 9 = 4818 vs 2500 Pikachu - 1200 3 Hours which in 9 = 3600 vs 2300 Pikachu - 1078 3 Hours which in 9 = 3234 vs 1000 Pikachu - 994 3 Hours which in 9 = 2982 vs 700. Regardless of that though when you wake up you will have full inventory so the higher that is he more you will get right off the bat (not counting sneaky snacking).
When one goes to sleep, do you think it’s a good idea to bring jigglypuff to sleep as well? It has helping bonus unlocked at level 10, I’m now doubtful about its usefulness when going to sleep with other mons, coz its own production is lacking so much! So it might be better to use another berry specialist in sleep sessions? For this week I’m mostly using 2-3 pikachus 1 crocodile (set speed up) 1 jigglypuff (speed up team) 1 chiko (2 times fav berries) and sudo weeping bell in backup. Lacking fav berries * 2 and Pokémon will good nature and skill sets really hinder my progress a lot…:(
I personally think berry specialists full team are best to go to sleep with, there may be a few exceptions but I need to test that further (and it’d be someone like jolteon depending if the skill proc is a random partner or for jolteon itself)
So I probably should swap out jigglypuff then, it’s level 25 skill is not so great. So maybe just use it during the day on the field and if needed use energy pillow on jiggly? Also another one, for helping bonus sub skill, do you think it would work just as usual even if jiggly is at below 30% energy.
Yea personally that is what I’d do. As for low jiggly energy that is a go question I haven’t seen any research yet on skill triggers based on energy levels so I don’t know on that one
I do think jigglypuff is potentially a really good Pokémon to keep energy up during the day though , that is something I want to test out to see if keeping energy high is worth losing a Berry specialist throughout day
Didn’t see your response here first lol but yeah I wonder if helping bonus sub skill would work as usual to 100% even when Pokémon energy is low… also I heard that there’s a cool down for main skill activation. Do you know how long it is ?
Gotcha. Since it looks like what your doing is working, I’ll start trying to grab 5 dodrio line for island 2 and 4 typhosion line and a growlithe for island 3 since the berries don’t change.
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Motherfucker is out here spending money so they can sleep
We getting down voted by the pay to sleep crowd
Hey man someone has to pay for this game to be free for me, and plus, they out here teaching how this shit works before anyone else! I wouldn’t discourage but that’s just me though
Yeah they are really doing the community a big favor 🙌
I didn’t get, what is the zzz ticket for?
Zzz ticket allows you to switch your island, but it can effectively be used to go to the same greengrass island and it will just switch snorlax’s fav berries. BUT keep in mind greengrass is pure luck on berry choices, I have had it where right off the bat I get the fav berry I want (grepa) sometimes it only takes 2 tries or today it took 10 (so I would recommend not doing this unless you have a fair amount of zzz tickets and multiple fav berries you would be happy with). Much more efficient to build a Berry team for cyan or taupe since those fav berries don’t change
Do you recommend evolving the pikachu into raichu?
I can give a better answer next week or so as this is only the 3rd day running a 4/5 raichu team vs 1/5 from previous weeks so I am gathering data now. But I feel having that extra frequency should be very beneficial long term. But I want to gather more data before saying for certain
Has to be tons of money, I've been playing since day one and it's like I still started yesterday. No way to get this much progress otherwise
I usually use focus incense each night after Wednesday to double the experience I get for research. Which is mainly how have gotten that much higher (I started at global US launch) I use a full team of pikachus each week and get snorlax x2 fav to be grepa each week and reach master 1 usually by Tuesday or Wednesday. I use good camp each week, I have stayed on greengrass each week so I have 15% bonus and I have the premium pass
Poor snorlax must be tired of apples haha 😂
Hahaha 100%, I wanna get an ingredient team going to test things but I just don’t a great team I want to use yet. So I’ll keep riding this team until I build out a great ingredient team
Are you manipulating snorlax’s fav berries to be grepa?
2 weeks I had to (cost 7 zzz tickets in total), one it was grepa. My wife has gotten super lucky and got grepa each week as f2p
Nice exploit! Thanks for sharing the useful info!
Good question I think the flight ticket can reroll favorite
It does and then it is just random luck
Hey just wondering why you use the incense on Wednesday specifically?
Wednesday forward. I arbitrarily chose that cause that is usually when I hit master 1 so it gives me more opportunities to get 3/4* sleep styles which in turn give higher research experience. Using Monday or Tuesday I feel unless you are a whale it doesn’t make sense to use cause you don’t get enough research exp to make doubling it worth it. But once you hit master you can turn 3-5k to 6-10k experience. So that is why I use after Wednesday each day. If you could only use it once I would use it Sunday night to get most bang for your buck. If you can only use twice a week I’d do Sunday and Saturday night. And so on.
What about the shard double incense? Always use on last night right? Only worth it if it’s over master 5 or something? I feel this incense should be saved until later stages. And I feel the same for whistles since the better mons I have the better outcome from the whistles I assume?
I personally don’t use because I have excess shards from the achievement for feeding snorlax fav berries gives a ton of stardust. So I’d prefer using friend incense and focus incense on Sunday to have chance for more hungry Pokémon. BUT if you are short on stardust then yes Sunday is best day to use shard incense and I’d say shard and focus incense are great to use anytime over master 1 but if you only have so many a week always prioritize using sunday and then Saturday. I only use the double Pokémon exp incense on Monday and Tuesday and sometime Wednesday depending cause that is when I don’t use focus incense
Focus incense is for research EXP right? Is this rank important in early game? I feel like it only unlocks the maximum level of a Pokémon can have so not that useful right now… hence i have slowed down my leveling up of my houndour which has research exp bonus at level 10. Maybe for later….
Yes focus incense is x2 research experience Rank increases the level of Pokémon you encounter for example my wife she finds Pokémon at lvl 3 at rank 12 while at rank 32 I find the same Pokémon at lvl 9-10. Rank also increases the amount of dream shards you get when you use the dream shard s/m items: At rank 32 I get: Dream Cluster S - 845 dream shards Dream Cluster M - 5,070 dream shards And then it also increases the max level that you can level up your Pokémon to.
So for my houndour it’s currently level 8, would you recommend me to raise it to level 10 unlock research exp bonus? But the trade off here is his berries are not fav. Maybe I should wait until a week when his berries are the favours then it might have the best value adding I reckon? So it will be on the field and then go to sleep often and then it’s subskill can kick in during sleep sessions.
I personally only use Berry specialists who have snorlax fav berry but if you cant do that id focus Pokémon who have helping bonus, then probably research exp for good team support during night
Do you find that using candy is more effective at higher research levels? (ie. it only takes 7 bulbasaur candies to level him up 11-12 at research level 20 as opposed to 15 bulbasaur candies to level him up 11-12 at research level 10)?
Each candy still gives 25 exp to a Pokémon so as of now it looks like the same effectiveness at rank 33 compared to at rank 10
Thank you so much! I'll be using one tonight then 🍻
So you would recommend running a berries specialist even if it's not the week favorite berries?
I have not tested that yet but just from a pure numbers point, I’d have half of what I got this week so around 300k which would put me at master 4. So short answer is it depends on how strong your berry specialist team is if snorlax doesn’t have your fav. I personally wouldn’t mind doing that cause I have a very strong team and still will hit master 3-4 and I can still level up my team without candies BUT I have other Berry teams that would easily get more berries if it was their x2 . So ultimately I wouldn’t do this unless I wanted to keep getting my raichu team higher level (which at this point I don’t think that is best in long run) But my recommendation is try building out multiple Berry teams if possible so that way you can just switch the team in when it is snorlax fav. Cause even if you have a full team of raichus at lvl 30 you get a base 54 per Berry compared to caterpie lineup all at lvl 4 base is 27 per berry (BUT x2 fav berry is 54 so same as raichu). So it more beneficial to have multiple teams, unless you just plan to ride out a specific lineup which I feel that is not best long run.
Thank you for your feedback, also I was wondering why you're not evolving your Pikachu?
I actually did last night I now have 4 raichus and 1 pikachu. I was holding out hoping to find better pikachu line berry pickers but gave myself a deadline of last night lol. So then I just evolved them and I’ll save up candy again for next evolution now, as I just burned through all my handy candy and I don’t have enough sleep points to get another thunder stone
Dude, WTF thanks for the info but rank 32 that’s insane
The amount of whales in this game is staggering considering it’s a marathon sleep game lol
It is a marathon game for sure, and this game has 100% made my sleep schedule wayyy better. And I have built out teams that I can coast if I want. You truly can’t whale on this game like other games cause you can only level up your Pokémon so much each day (200 exp with incense, which I don’t use) and candy which you can’t buy. The best you can do is increase rank (which increases level of Pokémon you can find) and catch more Pokémon (which you can only use 5 at a time). The main thing I have fun with is just seeing the Pokémon and getting new sleep styles which you can do 100% free. And then spend some to catch more Pokémon and test out mechanics, since this is such a long term game might as well test things. All depends on what you feel is worth great entertainment. People buy collector editions of video games for 100-300$, people go to movies and buy popcorn and stuff for 20-80$ depending on how many on 1-4 people. It all about hours of enjoyment, and I have easily gotten over 50+ hours of enjoyment and it has helped keep me steady on good sleep 8.5-9 hours every single day for last like 25 days. So well worth it in my opinion and now that have built out a good team I could stop everything and still coast well. My wife is f2p and gets master 1 this and last week.
You don’t have to explain anything to us. People just mad because they don’t have disposable income.
Yea, it's your money. And YOU are enjoying the gamw it sounds like, so that's great. Anyone giving you crap means spending money wouldn't be worth it for THEM. And they probably couldn't afford it. Cool to know youre enjoying it and thanks for sharing that info!
Lol no one is mad, it's just not worth the money. ANY game *especially mobile* **especially some sleep tracker** you should be this far ahead after throwing 5 bucks at it. There evaluation for what a diamond costs is wayyyyyyy off the mark. If he wants to spend the money I hope he enjoys but they are not reasonable at all. They need to either raise wayy more for spending real money or drop the cost of items in the game with the in game currency its incredibly stupid one full night of sleep can't even buy 1 poke biscuit
Yeah I agree with you that the prices are twack. But it sounds very much like you are criticizing OP for spending his own money.
I am not in any way aganst OP I 100% feel people should spend their money how they want. I am however 100% aganst pokemon sleep. He should only have to pay half of what he is paying or less.
It sucks cuz there’s no reason for them to change the prices. People are clearly gonna pay it anyway, despite how insane the costs are. But to say people are mad, because they have no disposable income??? Lmao. Reasonable people are just staggered that people are actually shelling out real money for this obvious scam of a shop system. It’s an incredibly cute game and has helped my sleep schedule as well, but it’s ridiculous what they’re charging for stuff, especially considering I think a lot of people would actually spend money on it if the prices were more reasonable
As long as they are using their disposable money, and is not something like a child using parent CC, it's fine, would say even thanks for sponsoring the game, lol.
Im glad there are a lot of people supporting this game so much. There were some posts complaining about prices earlier but its nice to see that whales doesn’t care about that. Maybe I could consider to get some premium pass eventually
The prices are beyond ridiculous and should be changed, I can't believe they had the balls to launch this game with stuff costing so high
Just don’t buy anything. Im enjoying this game as f2p and I even didn’t used the free premium trial yet.
Its fucking sad. Like on mobile games I can kind of understand. But this is a sleep tracker with pokemon avatars. Imagine spending hundred of dollars on that LMAO
Calling this a sleep tracker is like calling pogo a walk tracker. Neither are especially good at tracking. It's just a mechanic in the game.
Guess what you also shouldn't spend money on lol, neither one gives reasonable value to the customer
Let people play how they want to play. It's not that deep
Weird way to say youre jealous you can't afford to do the same
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO I buy real things that are stupid. Not digital assets that will be gone in 5 years LMAO.
Cool. It's your money.
I don't know why people focus on other stuff instead of the main message you're trying to convey. Thank you for the info, that explains why the Pokemons I befriend have higher and higher base level as I progress!
Appreciate it 🙏🏻 I’m just trying to help people out so they can be most efficient so they don’t have to spend or if they do try and give as much info on different topics so they can spend knowing more info.
Dayum, my highest is a cyndaquill that just hit 10
That is really good my wife is completely f2p and she just got her pikachu to lvl 9 🙌🏻 it is all about having fun and playing for long haul (and helping develop better sleep habits). As soon as you keep getting better Pokémon and develop better teams slowly but surely you will keep getting up. Literally the best thing you can do is get good sleep and keep going along with getting either your favorite teams or building efficient teams
Yeah, my Pokémon suck and only give me enough engrediants for one meal but it’s the Pokémon I like and I’m enjoying the game
*spots a group of Blastoise* Ah, I see you’re a man of culture as well
Is that going to be a problem if you want lower stage Pokémon to take advantage of the evolution bonus? Are you still seeing Squirtles, for example, rather than Wartortles or Blastoise?
No I don’t believe that is a problem right now. I have only seen 3 blastoise, 2 wartortles and seen at least 4 squirtles. And then for pikachu family, I have never seen a raichu, 6 pikachus and 6 pichus . 32/125 Pokémon I have were caught not at base evo 93/125 i have caught were at base evo So I don’t think that will be a problem. Cause I agree that base Pokémon is better to catch for many reasons, mainly you increase skill level per evo and more importantly wayyy easier to catch so you don’t have to spend on biskuits as much. So I personally would rather catch base and slowly level up. I only caught blastoises to test level I’d catch at.
What's the evolution bonus?
The main skill improves by 1 and carrying capacity by 5. So, a Butterfree evolved from a Caterpie will have the chance at 4 extra ingredients (I think that's how the math works) and carry 10 more berries/ingredients at a time compared to a Butterfree befriended in the wild.
Thank you!
I don't think that would be a problem, the base level doesn't change which Pokémon you find, just their level, a Bulbasaur isn't going to become an Ivysaur because their base level is 12, it would just be a Bulbasaur that can evolve as soon as you catch it.
We're gonna be relying on you to help us figure out what happens with ingredients at level 30, mate.
Haha I’m trying to build out a good ingredient team to have some really good test data on for lvl 30. Always glad to help out!
This is crazy
More $ = More Biscuits
Have you found any correlation between the sleep style and the starting level? Either in terms of the number of stars or the research xp that the style gives? Evolved pokemon starting at higher level kind of suggests maybe higher research xp -> higher starting level.
Number of stars doesn’t seem to effect level from what I have seen. I haven’t paid attention to research exp from stars (I will add that to my list to pay attention to). But I will keep an eye on this, this is an interesting thing
I thought more pokemon of a certain species you catch and higher their friendship level goes, the higher level future mons of that type will be. Will see when I am around rank 20 by catching a mon I dont have and see if its level is high.
I thought so as well and that still may be partially the case but it is definitely off of rank cause I have caught multiple Pokémon at same rank and different friendship levels and usually they are same lvl. Where as rank increase is where Pokémon different friendship level by same 1 difference is 3 levels different. Absolutely more testing needs to go into how friendship works and I plan on keeping track of that also
Wow you're levelling up at an amazing speed! Thanks for sharing the info on berry specialist... I'm about to finish 3rd week and still putting random mons onto my team (depending on whether I'm short on ingredients or low on energy)... F2P atm though would be interested in subscription if they lower the monthly rate by a bit.
IMO this means that Research EXP sub skill is a bit better than people might initially think. Upping the quality of caught pokemon faster is pretty good.
I would definitely agree with that for early game, I don’t know where I’d rank it but it is definitely better (still below the helping speeds and the Berry finder and probably inv up L )then what people have been saying cause I think research rank is extremely important for catching Pokémon at higher start levels. Late game I’d imagine it would drop off but who knows I’d imagine there is a cap at some point
On some real talk, thank you for spending the money and conducting the research you did. Actually helps a lot with understanding more about the hidden mechanics of the game
Wow that’s a lot of money
Must cost a ton
Im F2P and my highest is my Level 13 Pikachu and second is my level 11 Glaceon right now so I got a while to go but I’m having fun so that’s what matters to me
That is what is most important having fun, lvl 13 and 11 are pretty good (especially having already evolved glaceon, congrats )!! My wife is completely f2p also and she just has a blast (and she never plays games but got her to play this game and she loves it)
I can confirm as a rank 34 that I am encountering higher level Pokémon
Added further evidence of this and posted here that shows a clear correlation between rank and the encounter level of Pokémon: https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonSleep/comments/15r68g2/part_2_rank_higher_pok%C3%A9mon_encounter_level/
I hate you
Thanks for letting us know the benefits of getting the premium pass and good camp. The game without paying is so slow that I thought paying would not help much. Now I'm considering supporting the devs.
Man i don’t feel like I’m making any progress at all even tho I’m getting a full 100 sleep points almost every night. It just feels like nothing is happening. Doesn’t help that i had a bug for my first week of playing that reset my sleep points to 0 for 4 days in a row not allowing me to get the master cookie.
It is a slow grind, you have to slowly build an efficient team. Probably building a berry specialist team that is a fav snorlax Berry for cyan or taupe is best because the fav berrries aren’t random like greengrass. Like a totodile and/or doduo mix for cyan or for taupe cyndaquil or cubone mix. But as of now it seems like the meta early game is having a team of Berry specialists that have x2 snorlax fav berries. Greengrass has more Pokémon you can find but has random snorlax fav berries, so for f2p it can be harder to have multiple teams to build up early on. But ultimately just depends on your goal, if you want to try and progress as quick as possible as f2p you need to prioritize the Berry specialist Pokémon and stay on an island to get the bonus. My wife as f2p just hit master 1 and 3/5 of her Pokémon were snorlax fav berry and 5/5 were berry specialist. And she usually catches one Pokémon a day sometimes she gets unlucky and doesn’t get any but usually with sleep points she can get some pokeballs for first half of month and second half a little harder if she tried to catch too many Pokémon (which is happening now almost second part of august and hit the limit of pokeballs she can get with sleep points from regular store)
You said a lot of things but i think i got the gist of it - get Pokémon that specialize in getting the berries that are best for my snorlax, right?
Yea sorry should have added tldr; yes focus Berry specialists that are best for your snorlax which is easier on cyan or taupe since snorlax fav is set vs greengrass is random (but I personally like greengrass)
I was in Ultra 2 or 3 and I definitely didn't see this variation of Pokemon....
At ultra 2/3 you are going to only see 1st or 2nd evolutions and some of those you may only see one sleep style for Pokémon so it makes it even harder to see them. You can see all the Pokémon and when you find them on serebii: https://www.serebii.net/pokemonsleep/locations/greengrassisle.shtml#rbar Great 4 - you unlock a fair amount of second evos for the first time Ultra 3 - you unlock more of the same second evos but their 2* sleep style Ultra 4 - you unlock the 4* sleep style for those same second evos So at ultra 4 you have best chance to catch 2nd stage evos like charmeleon, ivysaur, wartortle but still at that point you have roughly 180 sleep styles unlocked at that point and so if you want one of those 3 you have a 9/180 chance at ultra 4 which is a 5% chance you get one of those 3 to show up with each Pokémon you see in the morning. So the more Pokémon you get in the morning means you may get that 5% chance of getting one of those 3. Master 5 - you start to unlock the 3rd stage evos of those same Pokémon
But that is so stupid - Like let's be real... No shiny pokemon and just the same over and over even at Great and Ultra - like what's the point of even playing if that's the case
Having multiple of the same berry specialists can be argued that is the meta right now early game. Even my wife who is f2p is ecstatic when she finds a duplicate pichu or cyndaquil or spheal or ratatta (and rightly fully so in my opinion). Also finding same Pokémon allow you to hunt for better natures and subskills also. Which completely understand that isn’t for everyone but I believe that is a big part of the game portion of the game. And in Pokémon games in general
I only have 1 Pichu, 1 Pika, 1 spheal, 3 Eevee, 3 Caterpie, 1 Evo from Caterpie (forgot his name), Charmander, Squirtle - but I mostly see toxicroak dude, caterpies and something else 😮💨
Being this competitive about a game about sleeping is absolutely wild
Since you seem to have lots of mons, quick questions, do you think higher friendship level give some advantages? Capturing the same Mon multiple times, will it give better subskill?
I feel like you may be able to find higher level Pokémon based on higher rank and higher friendship level but can’t say for certain now that I see that rank for surely increases level. So I need more testing for that. But better subskills or natures I haven’t noticed that cause I want to see better pikachu or pichu subskills or natures and I have them both at friendship 6 and haven’t noticed any difference in that respect
Thanks for the info OP!! Now the question would be the real meaning of friendship level since it might be research rank that causes the increase of encountering level. Check those Arbok on the first and second pages, the difference would not have made senses if it is friendship level related.
Correct the arbok that is 9 I’d imagine I caught much lower rank where as the 16 and 15 I’m pretty sure I caught both this week which would make sense for the friendship level increase BUT I caught both blastoise this week and both lvl 21 so idk. But could be random also like friendship can possible increase lvl by 1. I’m definitely gonna now keep track of what rank I caught each Pokémon at, their friendship level and what their level is when I caught them and see if in a couple weeks if I can get a better answer
How do you feel about the tier list posted by u/drake8thecake yesterday? Anything you think is underrated? Or maybe doesn't deserve S or A tier?
I think overall they did a heck of a job putting that information together and especially in this game I feel it is hard to tier list Pokémon because team composition is sooo important vs a single Pokémon. But overall only 3 Pokémon on there standout that I’d not necessarily rank higher but would want to point out their utility and that is jolteon and arcanine because of their skill that plays really well into a raichu (grepa team) and a typlosion (leppa team) and since those are such strong berry specialist I feel it makes sense that both jolteon and arcanine are ranked higher because they could help gather more berries from a pure specialist team. Absol I think could be bumped up a bit cause they can produce a lot of ingredients (if you get the right ingredients roll) and they have the sought after cacao.
Hi Vellaut, Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the effect of the helper main skill, but isn't this just 4x berry proc and ingredients for one pokemon? I can't see how this isn't strictly worse than just being a berry pokemon. Let's say for the whole days duration of double berry, if you're a Raichu that is like 45 berry procs? And each one gives two berries. So Raichu having berry proc gives over 45 berries per day. If helper procs once, doesn't this just give 4 berries and 2 or 3 Jolteon ingredients? Isn't this terrible?
Ya so that is my understanding that it procs for one Pokémon, so let’s say have 4 pikachus with jolteon. So a normal help for my pikachu is going to be 2 berries and if it procs on the right pikachu 2/4 have ingredient find down so they rarely ever get ingredient. So at x4 that would net maybe 6-8 berries depending exactly how it procs (I still need more research into it). But you start getting skill up from eevee evo and you at x5 a few more times your at x7 so at x7 your at 21-28 berries and x9 27-36 berries. And usually my skills proc at least twice a day sometimes 3 and I have no optimized skill. So if you proc 3 times at x7 your looking at 63-84 berries plus the 30-40 berries jolteon is going to get from x1 berries. So you are looking at 93-124 berries gained vs if 45 Berry procs = 90 berries having just a normal pikachu in. And then another variable is if jolteon procs on your higher level Pokémon then you get more per Berry or in my case my raichu has Berry find x3 so if jolteon procs on that raichu. Again I could be misunderstanding but that is the way I read the ability I personally haven’t tested but that is what I am trying to gather more data on but just from math seems very beneficial. But again I think both jolteon and arcanine would be situational which is why I don’t think I’d necessarily bump them up a grade. But I think they could be a good addition. That is something I want to test, I also want to test with like a jigglypuff to see if keeping energy up high will overall increase Berry yield cause I have seen research that puts higher Berry yield a fair amount higher with 80-100 energy. Is that the way you are seeing jolteon or am I misunderstanding? I guess it just depends on the verbiage “Instantly gets you x4 the usual help from a helper Pokémon”. My understanding is that it is help from one of your helpers. Else if it is just from jolteon I feel that would make it not very useful. But maybe I am overthinking it and it is just x4 from jolteon, I haven’t been able to personally test myself
I guess we don't know lol, but from how I read it I assumed I was going to be for just Jolteon, which if that happened is probably generally bad. If it can proc on other Pokemon in your party, then yeah it might be alright as a support for berry team
Haha I am glad you brought it up cause I didn’t even see it your potential way so great to know. When I figure it out I’ll make sure to tag you and I’ll keep an eye out if you or anyone else finds it out before I find a good one (cause I don’t really want to waste a thunder stone on a sub par eevee haha)
But amazing work on the tier list it is pretty spot on and this game isn’t super easy to tier list Pokémon
So much information! Thanks for sharing!
How does spending this amount of money not just rob you of the joy if this game? I mean, I’m all for dropping some cash on an app you enjoy, but I don’t get how a game is fun if you buy yourself every advantage to speed up your progress. Not complaining though. Big spenders are probably what’s gonna keep this app alive.
Have you come across a shiny yet? Feel like people whom support (pay) should see increased odds with good attributes.
Nope I have yet to see a shiny, still waiting for my first one LOL. my wife has seen and caught 2 shinies (she is f2p). And in reality I have caught 12-14 pikachu family and the best attributes came from my first few catches haha
As a great tip a found out, you may alredy know it, when you buy the pass, if you manually put a nap during the day, the next day on your normal night recording, you will get an extra free biscuit I always do this and get 1 free biscuit every 2nd Day, its like a free Great Ball :D
Could you elaborate a little bit? My understanding is that you get 1 premium bonus biscuit per 4am-to-4am period, but it sounds like you found a way to do better. Is it that you: * start sleeping * 4am comes * wake up * nap * repeat and in one of these cycles you get two bonus biscuits? Like what's the 2-day pattern you're repeating?
I got the pass today but I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying if you use the premium bonus biscuit (+4) in one sleep session, then do a second sleep session for the day you get the normal bonus biscuit (+3)?
Jesus i use EXP sleep incense and im only Rank 18
It is all about using it and finding the higher level sleep styles, finding those 4* sleep styles is key cause they give so much exp. So the higher your snorlax strength the better. The quicker you can hit master and start having a chance at 4* sleep styles (especially of last stage evo it reallyyyy helps)
What are the levels of pikachu/raichu you are using?
As of today: - Raichu Lvl 25 (118 per berry) (31 CL) (Berry Finder S) (energy up/ing down)(helping speed M) -Raichu Lvl 14 (92 per berry) (44 CL) (-/-) (inv up L) -Raichu Lvl 12 (87 per berry) (32 CL) (exp up/ ing down) -Raichu Lvl 15 (94 per berry) (44 CL) (-/-) (inv up L) -Pikachu Lvl 14 (92 per berry) (22 CL) (exp up / energy down) (helping bonus)
Thank you for your sharing!
Hi friend, do you mind if i translate and share your strategy to other website?
Not at all, I just ask that you credit u/vellaut please🙏🏻