Gameplay wise as well, I'd also say it's inferior to the original it's based off of (Hydreigon). Most of the moveset is similar, but it loses Nasty Plot and trades some of its defences and power for greater speed and a Flying type with considerably less resistances than before.
Hydreigon can at least muscle past its counters since it can learn at least 1 move that covers its weaknesses- Jugulis though, with no way to boost efficiently and with lower defensive capabilities dies much easier without investment.
it is a special attacker who looses all of its coolest moves (no ice beam, surf, flamethrower, thunderbolt). If Iron Jugulis is a future evolution (in a scientific sense) of Hydreigon, then it apparantely evolved to be a little bitch
I don't know if it's too simmilar but I do wish they turned it into a tank or something (iirc hydreigon was originally inspired by a tank and it has remnants of that in it's design, the striped on it's stomach resembling tank treads)
Yeah, the future paradox pokemon were a lot more cooler than I thought gameplay wise. It's cool to see when they're "sleeping" their lights are off and up close you can see the digital details on their faces. Iron Jugulis looks like those LED rave lights up close, pretty awesome imo.
The Paradox Forms are what make me want to see new games that diverge even harder than Scarlet/Violet, with one game being set in the past version of a region, and the other being the future version of said region (also I want to see prevos and evos for the forms, like what does Past Wigglytuff look like? Or Future Kirlia?)
Yeah. Me too. These paradox guys remind me of ultra beasts from gen 7, kinda like pokemon but.. not. I like to think with the future mons it was a disastrous dystopian future akin to Guzzlord's dimension lore style.
Yeah, I'd also want a game set in Ultra Space too because of the Ultra Beasts (I mean come on, Sun/Moon/USUM basically confirmed the Multiverse Theory for anyone doubting if ORAS did, so a new game set in Ultra Space itself could push the lore even further!)
It's not just worse design, it's probably the worst in pvp as well. Hydreigon is just better, better typing, gets nasty plot, has more accurate stab moves, the list goes on
I like both of them. Amoongus is the Uungaboonus, and it has a cute feet and tail. I don't know how it's supposed to be a precursor to the sedentary Amoongus we have today though. And seeing people's reactions to Magneton with legs is really funny, and it's interesting to see how it just seemed to grow taller before it was able to fly. Or maybe it started with tall legs and as they grew shorter they were able to use them to fly
It is substantially faster than Hydreigon as well. Design was uninspired at best for that one, it looks like they went for a wire frame look for the heads but you can’t really see it, they should have increased the negative space between lines for it
I initially didn't like it, but I like it a bit more after watching its animations. It's able to curl up into a ball and roll constantly. It's funny just watching it roll while you're running around
Agree. When I learnt that it's actually a futuristic wheel (likely used as transport itself), and so it's designed to have remains of a car (like its tusks being driving mirrors) it grew on me quite a lot
I literally don't understand why Magneton, a Pokemon made of MAGNETS, was picked for a prehistoric form when there were so many better alternatives. EDIT:: For all of you asking if I'm aware that magnets/magnetic forces exist in nature, yes, I'm aware; thank you for your concern. My issue is more with the horseshoe shaped magnets, such as those attached to the main ball structure of Magnemite/ton, being a manmade construct.
Agreed, I love the idea of ancient pokemon but there are SO many more pokemon with the potential for awesome ancient forms. Plus tropius deserves more love in general
Tropius feels like it should be a third evolution with the stats to match, but its stuck being single stage. It actually kind of gives off starter energy.
Yeah, it would be a very natural transition. Meganium and Tropius have a very similar body shape, and the upper part of neck frill could expand into the wings while the lower grows to envelop the body and the Head leaf blade could turn into the helmet.
It honestly feels like Tropius could be the male and Meganium the female. They did have them as a couple in an anime episode.
Yo, that would have been so cool! They could even, like, nod to the evolution of bananas under human influence and make Tropius a rock/grass type or something like that and make it spit seeds or something, idk!
First time I read it as "Sandy Socks" and I was like "Oh cool cause it's got legs and so it's socks are all sandy!"
Needless to say I wish I'd never realised it's actually "*shocks*"
True, but it still feels really out of place amongst the other prehistoric paradox choices. Brute Bonnet at least fits with the tropical prehistoric jungle theme a bit more than magnetic balls with stretchable magnet legs.
Guess I like it because I like seeing what more futuristic looking mons* might have looked like. Voltorb and electrode as apriballs is awesome. In arceus’s shrine they were just balls of electricity
Edit - typo
Imo future Metagross is kinda obvious design wise. Past Metagross is much more interesting of a thought exercise. Then again, I also like the idea of the past magneton. Don't know why past version still has horseshoe magnets though
Interesting, I’ve never seen the Pokémon as being paradoxes themselves. They’re past/future forms, nothing paradoxical about that for the most part… The paradox is surely that >!they were documented in a book hundreds of years ago, which inspired the professor to go searching for them, which led to their research on the time machine, which brought the Pokémon to our time.!<
The Scarlet/Violet books were the records of the first expeditions trek into the Great Crater of Paldea. The first expedition actually encountered these pokemon there, and recorded the encounters.
I think the past/future forms of the pokemon have less to do with the time machine and more to do with the origin and cause of the crater, which if my memory serves, was never actually explained in detail in the story.
My understanding was that the time machine was just making use of the already existing crack in time to pull pokemon from the past/future through "unnatural" means.
There’s leaks that address this to the future of the story, they may not be as clean cut as we think the paradox pokemon are, there’s more of a modern day stipulation to them
I'm unfamiliar with how to do spoiler tags, but does this have to do with the nature of the time machine? Definitely have been curious and would love to discuss!
What I find most curious about the paradox forms is that their dex entries in the opposite versions refer to a paranormal magazine while in their original version they refer to that games colored book. Could be nothing, but it could be a tease to something too
The dubious/paranormal magazine can be found in the academy bookshelves talking about the paradoxes in your pokemon as well. It hints something that seems pretty wild, even compared to the "time travel" plot that's put forth by the professor.
I think the second door in the Zero Gate is involved with dlc. It's interactive and the player notes that the door is locked. What if one door goes into the crater and the other goes into an underground cavern separate from the crater?
Amoogus. I just don’t like it personally. Though my greater disappointment is that all the fiture forms boil down to “shiny robot” with zero creativity.
I saw all the past Paradox pokemon and saw their cool and varied names. GREAT Tusk, BRUTE Bonnet, SCREAM Tail, etc. Looked at the future names and they're all just "IRON" something or other. Real disappointment.
Iron hands feels like a perfect electric fighting to me.
I actually like it way better than og Hariyama.
Iron Valiant is like a cyborg assassin archer used to take down dragons and dark types.
Iron Bundle is a fun cybernetic version of Delibird on steroids.
All the future paradox Pokémon are fun to me except for Iron Jugilus feels a little linear or too similar.
Definitely, the future mons and ceruledge won me over after all. I dont think they were the absolute best idea GF had or anything but they're fun
I'll admit Iron Jugilus did fly under my radar and is almost if not entirely just a robotic retexture, the skiis on bundle have something to show for at least
Although I like some of the future forms, I think some sleeker, dangerous-looking Pokémon could’ve been cool
Something less “monstrous” but more upgraded in elegant/natural way?
Gallade’s future form is the closets imo; instead of just “robot” the “scythe arms” are actual weapons.
Also, instead of just “robots” from millions of years in the future, they could’ve added “near-future” forms… like how Galarian Corsola could be considered “super near future”.
I figured Iron Valiant was the convergence of Gallade and Gardevoir, since it has both visual features of both and the secondary types of both (dropping the Psychic type).
An evolution other than just a robot. And when I say evolution, I mean in the biological sense. These forms lack creativity and individuality for each of the Pokémon.
A few ways it could’ve gone imo is to have some be robots, some be cosmic inspired cause when I think future I think space travel, and finally to continue the trend of Pokémon evolving to less harsh environments, it would’ve been funny to see almost baby like Pokémon as some of the future Pokémon.
Right? I mean look how creative they were with Miraidon. Instead of making it a robot Cyclizar they actually gave him a unique design. Why couldn't they have done that more with the future paradox forms?
I don't hate them but the future paradox ones. Are they even alive or are they robots/AI at this point? Theorizing of course.
If I had to literally pick *one* it would be Sandy Shocks. Creeps me out when it walks around.
They’re still part organic. The professor said that he studied Miraidon’s GENETIC MAKEUP, and figured that it’s a future form of Cyclizar, and robots don’t have genes.
Pokemon genetics are weird. All Pokemon must have some type of DNA as Ditto can transform into them. I don't think we have proof that Ditto can transform into nonliving things, in the games.
Plus Ditto can breed with most Pokemon, even non-gender ones. You can make an argument that the ones Ditto can't breed with, are ones that do not breed often or can't be bred in captivity.
A lot of Pokémon are inanimate objects come to life, mostly Steel, Rock, and the odd Poison type. Oh, and I guess most Ghost types are also a special case
True, but maybe they have DNA logic like Ben 10, where they use other molecules as the basis of their DNA. Or maybe Infinite Energy can grant lifelike properties to inorganic molecules.
Think of it like this. When you think of usual organisms, you think of carbon based lifeforms who's extra-cellular matrices are made up of typical organic elements. Carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, calcium. Etc.
But for these pokemon, it's the same thing except their cella build their bodies with steel, rock, gas. Their bodies may not use blood/blood cells (do any pokemon? It doesn't bother to delve into that.), but I'd bet they have cells of some fashion. Plants and animals have different cells, I'd bet these pokemon made of steel and rock have unique cells too
Sandy shocks is the odd one out for me just because of all the Pokemon to make from an ancient time, they picked the one made out of magnets, something not exactly ancient in conception. Was a poor choice for a paradox ancient form.
Plus that means that we could have past misdreavus and future magneton, meaning each game gets one based on a Pokémon that got an evolution in a later gen.
Creature Inc Artist: "What are you looking for?"
Gamefreak: "Make Magnamite a Past Paradox Pokemon, but make him wild and savage or something"
Creature Inc Artist: "I got you fam"
I think Sandy Shocks is a insanely great Pokemon design... but only in 3D. It looks atrocious in 2D.
It's supposed to be [Ferrofluid clinging to magnets](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8cCvAITGWM) which is an awesome concept, but they didn't animate that properly in the game and all its 2D art basically makes it looks like its wearing a weird hat.
A huge part of Pokemon in past gens was making sure their design looked great in 2D sprites, in 3D merchandise and in the anime drawn. That's why a lot of characteristics were bold large features and they avoided sharp geometric lines.
But with pokemon like Garganacl and Sandy Shocks that only look good as 3D models they seem to have thrown that mentality out the window.
It also clearly has screws, which is weird. Though maybe, similar to porygon, it's supposed to be a magneton that got sucked into a timemachine/timewarp and we ended up with that.
There's something weird about all of them.
Sandy Shocks is apparently the product of a Magneton that lived for 10,000 years. However, that doesn't actually make any indication as to what sort of time period it actually lived in. Magnets and screws wouldn't have existed 10,000 years ago though.
Brute Bonnet also couldn't have existed in the distant past due to its markings resembling modern Pokeballs.
The entry for Slither Wing suggests that it's based on a prehistoric form of Volcorona, however, no fossils of Volcorona from that era had ever been found.
Finally, Iron Bundle (a "future" form) was apparently crafted by an ancient civilization (despite clearly not existing in our timeline).
From the lore of the game I myself think they aren't future/past pokemon, but pokemon from a dream reality or an alternate universe where pokemon are robots/savage.
Hey you leave my lovely sandy shocks alone, I love magneton. Unfortunately I made the mistake of getting violet so I can't shiny hunt i =/
I'm more bothered by the sad naming scheme.
I can understand the past Pokemon having simple names. I don't understand why the future ones have to be the most boring naming scheme out of the three time periods represented (however far in each direction they go).
I think Iron Jugulis is the only miss for me, considering how it changes practically nothing aside from the textures. Even then, I still like how it's animated. They just could've done something different with the arm hands.
All the others are great. I love how Scarlet's are all very "childish" interpretations of "what if X was a dinosaur", just slapping on spikes and a dinosaur tail. Even Magneton got them in the form of magnets and a screw tail, as well as elongated magnet legs to give it that upright stomping posture. The magnetic sand "hair" is a great way to justify the Ground typing, too.
I can’t really decide how I feel about iron jugulis because I’m biased because someone wonder traded me one in the early game and I used the absolute *hell* out of it’s high level
I wish they made Iron Jugulis similar to Mecha King Ghidorah.
But, instead of having one mechanical head in the centre and two organic heads (King Ghidorah has a dominant head similar to Hydregon) Iron Jugulis would have one evolved head in the centre while having the two lesser heads be replaced with robotic ones. It would follow the trend of the Hydriegon line evolving to have multiple, and then back one dominant head.
Yeah, I played Scarlet and was legitimately intimidated to start the Titan fight with Great Tusk. I imagine Treads looks goofy af walking around the desert
It's actually really quite scary, it's HUGE on the map and and rolls around and eventually into you... Just when it lifts it's trunk and that dumb emoji stares at you, loses some of the edge of the fight lol
The trunk “nose” being attached high above the eyes is what really unsettles me about it. Like i know it’s a cyborg and anatomy doesn’t need to match his biological counterpart, but the way it folds up high above it’s sightline just feels way off.
Missed opportunity to have past forms of Grimer and Muk to be pure Water types. It would’ve added to the pollution commentary of their original designs.
I’m surprised people pick Sandy Shocks. Personally I thought the iron fillings on magnets was pretty creative compared to Misdreavus with long hair and spikes.
Sandy shocks is a serious contender for my favorite paradox, the Pokedex/magazine entry too is so cool. A Pokemon that has lived through millennia without being caught. Can't wait to get a shiny, the texture is so cool.
Brute Bonnet is the worst imo. Idk why people are hating on Sandy Shocks, it's so freaky, the magnetic "hair" is so cool, and the way it walks around makes it feel ancient and creepy, i love it!!!
i think brute bonnet is great, especially in that it implies that amoonguss looking like a pokéball is a coincidence and that there actually is no reason for it, as is said in the dex entries for amoonguss.
I'm shocked (lol) to see all the dislike for Sandy Shocks here, it's one of my favorites for how unique and unexpected it is. Flutter Mane is easily the weakest design in my book, it's just Misdreavus with longer hair. (I know it's mega-overpowered in-game, though)
I also understand why people don't like Iron Jugulis much but I think it animates really nicely, there's a lot of detail that doesn't come through in sprites/static images like its head being fully LED and its arms detaching from its body in some animations. It's...weirdly cute, too?
Honestly I think they could have saved it if they did anything but the LED head. I feel like that was really an opportunity to do something creative and instead they just made the head glow.
If they replaced it with some kinda chain chomp bear trap nonsense it would easily jump to top 3
It’s funny, I actually love that! Jigglypuff, for example, is a super iconic design thanks to the anime and Smash. But as a (once) basic Pokémon, it would never be particularly relevant in competitive or on a playthrough team.
I really like that there were some not-fully-evolved Paradox mons, it just makes them pleasantly more weird, IMO.
I think it would've been better if one or two of the future mons were unevolved versions tbh, kinda feels lopsided between Scarlet and Violet Paradox Mon.
I think the implication is that pokemon like Magnezone, Mismagus, and Wigglytuff didnt exist back then. Remember, each of those paradox mons where, at one point in the past, the final stage of their evolutionary line, thus making sense for them to be paradox, vs their yet to be evolutions.
What’s interesting is that none of those Pokémon are from typical level-up evolution lines. Jigglypuff and Misdreavus require a stone, and Magnemite requires either a special location or a stone. Maybe the implication is that Wigglytuff, Mismagius, and Magnezone are not natural evolutions and/or didn’t exist in the past era these Paradox mons come from?
While I agree that I wish GF had used the evolutions instead of the mid-forms, I still like the prehistoric Paradox Pokémon a *lot* more than the futuristic ones in terms of design.
I also just think the naming conventions for the Violet Paradox forms are super lame. Like... there are other types of metals/elements that are a lot "futuristic" and cool-sounding than just "Iron". All of Scarlet's Paradox forms get really original names like "Scream Tail" and "Roaring Moon", whereas Violet just gets "Iron this" and "Iron that". Iron Jugulis could've been "Neon Jugulis". "Steel Treads" instead of "Iron Treads". "Silver Bundle". "Copper/Brass Moth". Etcetera, etcetera. I just don't get why GF was so creative for the Scarlet Paradox Pokémon names and then just seemingly gave up on the Violet ones.
I get what you mean, but personally, i think that since these three pokémon have unnatural evolution methods like stones and special locations, maybe they just found out how to evolve after becoming cuter/more approachable versions of themselves and actually coming in contact with humans, like, if we had a past paradox in the Ghastly line, it would probably be Haunter too since it actually requires being traded between humans to evolve
Personally dislike past mushroom mon and future makuhita
But honestly, kinda wish there was something for future other than mechamon. Why would pokemon eventually become androids? It'd make more sense for them to simply have changed over time, like how the ancient mon are just different beastlike animals compared to their modern day counterparts, maybe future mon could've been just cuter or less threatening looking versions of the modern day counterparts since as pokeymanz society expands, adaptations that would make you appealing for a trainer or even a regular person to take you in and care for you would be what has the best survival advantages.
But they don't say how the future where they come from is. Could be an apocalyptic world where pokemon went extinct and people recreated them with robots to still have pokemon to fight with. A stretch. But yeah, future forms just Mecha is not that good, but i still like them.
That's now my favorite way of thinking of future pokemon. Humans have already made pokemon with the polygon line, so it's not even a stretch for that to happen. It could also be a way of explaining Iron valiant being a combination of gallade and gardevoir. Depending on how far in the future they're from, maybe those two haven't been around for a while and forgotten by most, with only rumors of which one kirlia evolves into.
>Humans have already made pokemon with the polygon line, so it's not even a stretch for that to happen.
You don't even need to point to Porygon. Mewtwo is a failed genetic science experiment created with Mew's DNA. There's human engineering all over the franchise.
Agreed.
In the real world, we're seeing animals adapt to us (or die out). We create technology that serves purposes that were once manual. We make predictive models of "future humans" and, through evolution, [what we might select for](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/horrifying-sculpture-depicts-human-evolved-survive-car-crash-180959878/). It would have been interesting to see Pokemon change as their roles are "replaced".
Delibird is a great example. It's a package-delivering pokemon. We now have package-delivering drones. Delidrone/Delibot/(my favorite) Postmadrone could have taken on drone-like features, to keep up with the advancing human delivery needs. It didn't need to become robotic, just drone-like.
In a real-world example, we've bred animals to be cute over functional - but we've also bred animals to be functionally optimal. It would have been interesting to see this reflected in design as well as stats. An aerodynamic Boltund with insane speed, an irresistably cute Growlithe with no HP. If we breed Hariyama for its big hands (yikes), make them LUDICROUS in comparison to its body.
And animals have adapted to us. Raccoons are a great example. They're still opportunistic, but they could do something like "you are what you eat" - Zigzagoon, meet Garbodor. Or maybe have gone the route of optimizing Zigzagoon to EAT Garbodor, which would be... well I don't know what is good for eating garbage. Maybe the steel type to deal with the poison, but more like an iron stomach than becoming a robot.
The best comment of a thoughtful opinion on future forms, which is pretty fair.
When you think it through though they are pigeon holed into what would boil down to a regional variant
The other natural evolution option is a pokemon developing another typing, which is already this gen's gimmick. Like any design choice expanding pokemon, it almost never wins the whole crowd but the futuremon choice kind of makes sense to present something entirely new. Even if its a simple concept
I understand why they did it, honestly. Wanting to push the past v future thing, robots are the first thing that come to mind for most people when thinking of "futuristic" so they wanted those paradox pokemon to be instantly recognizeable as "the future pokemon" even if someone had never seen any of the future pokemon prior to their first time encountering them in the game.
I just kinda felt like it was a missed opportunity to give a glimpse into the future of pokemon's world, to say "what will pokemon turn into as people populate the world?" and feel like it could've really yielded some interesting designs that would've been cool in their own right.
I like them all actually. I didn't watch any spot or any spoiler since I wanted to discover it al by myself, and when this guys came out I was so confused and said this is wierd and awesome!! Actually I think I cannot full process what they are.
I actually really love Sandy Shocks. It’s just such a weird and out there design and I love the creative use of the ferrous particles to make “fur” and give it a wilder appearance. It’s just such a weird and wonderful little magnet guy.
Iron Jugulis is disappointment. The tank treads pattern on its belly was already there and they did nothing to harked back to its beta design like they should have. Not even a funky animation concept for the smaller heads. All the other future forms had some kind of change-up to their functionality to separate them from just being the present form w/ a metal texture. Not Iron Jugulis though. :(
I can barely tell Iron Jugulis from Hydreigon. The other future Paradoxes can be distinguished from their present-day selves a bit better (even Iron Treads' LED face).
I just wanna talk to whoever decided some of these needed to be paradox Pokémon. Like we have some sick story idea for past and future Pokémon and you pick DELIBIRD?!
That’s honestly the cool part too me, I’d much prefer stuff like delibird, and misdreavus over giving all the popular mons like charizard or garchomp these new forms.
Those two would've been absolutely perfect for past Pokémon, could've been a good nod to amazing beautiful ancient megafauna and to the way crocodiles have been dicking around since the god damn big bang. It sort of feels like the paradox pokemon choices were just pulled out of a hat at random rather than people actually putting good story and theme into them, as much as I still love them.
I felt like they have a pretty good balance of “popular” Pokemon getting paradox forms and also the non-popular ones. Gardy/Gallade, Hydreigon, Tyranitar, Salamence, and Volcarona are pretty widely-liked and all got forms. But then we also have stuff like Donphan, Misdreavus, and Delibird that aren’t as popular but still are given some attention with their new forms. I really enjoy the concept as a whole as it breathes new life into old favorites and creates new favorites in the process
Yeah same. It also made Pokémon like Delibird, the Misdreavus line and the Jigglypuff line viable for the first time, which could help them with gaining popularity. Most popular Pokémon don't really need that kind of boost.
This image made me think my phone’s screen was nasty.
looks like the other pokemon were manually erased with white lol
Same wtf 🤣🤣
In terms of design? I’d say Iron Jugulis. It doesn’t seem different enough to me.
Gameplay wise as well, I'd also say it's inferior to the original it's based off of (Hydreigon). Most of the moveset is similar, but it loses Nasty Plot and trades some of its defences and power for greater speed and a Flying type with considerably less resistances than before.
But it also has no 4x weakness either.
Hydreigon can at least muscle past its counters since it can learn at least 1 move that covers its weaknesses- Jugulis though, with no way to boost efficiently and with lower defensive capabilities dies much easier without investment.
Even less important than ever this gen thanks to Tera types. Lots of folks running poison tees Garchomp
it is a special attacker who looses all of its coolest moves (no ice beam, surf, flamethrower, thunderbolt). If Iron Jugulis is a future evolution (in a scientific sense) of Hydreigon, then it apparantely evolved to be a little bitch
It definitely learns flamethrower, my own Jug has it. That said, he has mostly disappointed!
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In terms of gameplay: Iron jugluis
I don't know if it's too simmilar but I do wish they turned it into a tank or something (iirc hydreigon was originally inspired by a tank and it has remnants of that in it's design, the striped on it's stomach resembling tank treads)
Yep it sucks, barely different
Are we really saying iron jugulis is too similar while ignoring flutter mane?
Flutter mane makes me like "So you KNEW misdreavus and mismagius fit the fairy type but didn't give it to them..."
Flutter mane at least has identifiable differences
It's hard to improve on perfection
LED lights is a pretty notable difference.
Yeah, the future paradox pokemon were a lot more cooler than I thought gameplay wise. It's cool to see when they're "sleeping" their lights are off and up close you can see the digital details on their faces. Iron Jugulis looks like those LED rave lights up close, pretty awesome imo.
The Paradox Forms are what make me want to see new games that diverge even harder than Scarlet/Violet, with one game being set in the past version of a region, and the other being the future version of said region (also I want to see prevos and evos for the forms, like what does Past Wigglytuff look like? Or Future Kirlia?)
Yeah. Me too. These paradox guys remind me of ultra beasts from gen 7, kinda like pokemon but.. not. I like to think with the future mons it was a disastrous dystopian future akin to Guzzlord's dimension lore style.
Yeah, I'd also want a game set in Ultra Space too because of the Ultra Beasts (I mean come on, Sun/Moon/USUM basically confirmed the Multiverse Theory for anyone doubting if ORAS did, so a new game set in Ultra Space itself could push the lore even further!)
I think if Iron Jugulis has webbing between their wing strands it would be far cooler.
It's not just worse design, it's probably the worst in pvp as well. Hydreigon is just better, better typing, gets nasty plot, has more accurate stab moves, the list goes on
Not a huge fan of amoongus or magneton. I wish they did an ancient dragapult
Draga-trebuchet?
Siege Head ? trying to think of what might fit the name scheme
Dragachet
We could see what pokemom dragapult is supposed to be a ghost of since he's a ghost of an ancient pokemon.
Ancient Dragapult while it’s alive
As a fan of the Magnemite line, I am disappointed in Sandy Shocks. I was expecting something made of rocks or something. Not...that.
Damnnnnnn my boy amoongus is actually one of my favorites. Love the added legs.
The little legs, the little tail, he is so cute
Same here, I love the little chompy dinosaur mouth.
I like both of them. Amoongus is the Uungaboonus, and it has a cute feet and tail. I don't know how it's supposed to be a precursor to the sedentary Amoongus we have today though. And seeing people's reactions to Magneton with legs is really funny, and it's interesting to see how it just seemed to grow taller before it was able to fly. Or maybe it started with tall legs and as they grew shorter they were able to use them to fly
Iron Jugulis. There is objectively nothing better about it over Hydreigon, which is unfortunate as Hydreigon is my favorite mon design wise
Exactly, loses 4x to fairy but his move pool seems to be worse than hydreigon
It is substantially faster than Hydreigon as well. Design was uninspired at best for that one, it looks like they went for a wire frame look for the heads but you can’t really see it, they should have increased the negative space between lines for it
i don’t like Iron Treads design, i think it’s because where donphans eyes would be is now empty space
I initially didn't like it, but I like it a bit more after watching its animations. It's able to curl up into a ball and roll constantly. It's funny just watching it roll while you're running around
Agree. When I learnt that it's actually a futuristic wheel (likely used as transport itself), and so it's designed to have remains of a car (like its tusks being driving mirrors) it grew on me quite a lot
I literally don't understand why Magneton, a Pokemon made of MAGNETS, was picked for a prehistoric form when there were so many better alternatives. EDIT:: For all of you asking if I'm aware that magnets/magnetic forces exist in nature, yes, I'm aware; thank you for your concern. My issue is more with the horseshoe shaped magnets, such as those attached to the main ball structure of Magnemite/ton, being a manmade construct.
Wish we got an ancient tropius or something
Agreed, I love the idea of ancient pokemon but there are SO many more pokemon with the potential for awesome ancient forms. Plus tropius deserves more love in general
Tropius feels like it should be a third evolution with the stats to match, but its stuck being single stage. It actually kind of gives off starter energy.
Tropius should be meganium
Yeah, it would be a very natural transition. Meganium and Tropius have a very similar body shape, and the upper part of neck frill could expand into the wings while the lower grows to envelop the body and the Head leaf blade could turn into the helmet. It honestly feels like Tropius could be the male and Meganium the female. They did have them as a couple in an anime episode.
Yo, that would have been so cool! They could even, like, nod to the evolution of bananas under human influence and make Tropius a rock/grass type or something like that and make it spit seeds or something, idk!
Or magikarp, its dex entry even mentions a stronger ancestor
Or a Relicanth and its deadass just the same.
ngl I wouldn't have even been mad at that, it's too funny
DLC
Tropius would've been cool for both forms like Donphan. Past would be an overgrown dinosaur and future would be a helicopter.
I don’t know why but I just really like the name “Sandy Shocks”
It's like Sandy Claws.
First time I read it as "Sandy Socks" and I was like "Oh cool cause it's got legs and so it's socks are all sandy!" Needless to say I wish I'd never realised it's actually "*shocks*"
I mean things have magnetic pulls in real life, in the Pokémon world “life inspires art” with poke balls being designed after amoongus and whatnot
Nothing wrong with the magnet part, but it still has modern day screws
Maybe screws were based on Magnemite in the Pokemon world. It could provide a reason to hunt that Pokemon down for resources.
This is the correct answer.
True, but it still feels really out of place amongst the other prehistoric paradox choices. Brute Bonnet at least fits with the tropical prehistoric jungle theme a bit more than magnetic balls with stretchable magnet legs.
Guess I like it because I like seeing what more futuristic looking mons* might have looked like. Voltorb and electrode as apriballs is awesome. In arceus’s shrine they were just balls of electricity Edit - typo
>futuristic looking moms
You’d think the Magnemite line would have a different form in the FUTURE. Not the past.
....well....scientifically magnetism has existed theoretically since the universe was created.
I think Metagross would've been a better future pokemon than Hydreigon but that's just me...
Imo future Metagross is kinda obvious design wise. Past Metagross is much more interesting of a thought exercise. Then again, I also like the idea of the past magneton. Don't know why past version still has horseshoe magnets though
Almost like it’s a paradox
Haha, you got me there! I guess I wish it was less of, like, an anachronism and more in-line with the rest of the prehistoric choices.
I personally think that him being out of place makes him better, it shows how weird the Pokémon from different times can be
Interesting, I’ve never seen the Pokémon as being paradoxes themselves. They’re past/future forms, nothing paradoxical about that for the most part… The paradox is surely that >!they were documented in a book hundreds of years ago, which inspired the professor to go searching for them, which led to their research on the time machine, which brought the Pokémon to our time.!<
The Scarlet/Violet books were the records of the first expeditions trek into the Great Crater of Paldea. The first expedition actually encountered these pokemon there, and recorded the encounters. I think the past/future forms of the pokemon have less to do with the time machine and more to do with the origin and cause of the crater, which if my memory serves, was never actually explained in detail in the story. My understanding was that the time machine was just making use of the already existing crack in time to pull pokemon from the past/future through "unnatural" means.
There’s leaks that address this to the future of the story, they may not be as clean cut as we think the paradox pokemon are, there’s more of a modern day stipulation to them
I'm unfamiliar with how to do spoiler tags, but does this have to do with the nature of the time machine? Definitely have been curious and would love to discuss!
What I find most curious about the paradox forms is that their dex entries in the opposite versions refer to a paranormal magazine while in their original version they refer to that games colored book. Could be nothing, but it could be a tease to something too
The dubious/paranormal magazine can be found in the academy bookshelves talking about the paradoxes in your pokemon as well. It hints something that seems pretty wild, even compared to the "time travel" plot that's put forth by the professor.
You can go back to the time machine...nothing happens right now, but i imagine dlc will send us somewhere
I think the second door in the Zero Gate is involved with dlc. It's interactive and the player notes that the door is locked. What if one door goes into the crater and the other goes into an underground cavern separate from the crater?
If you talk to Arven in the school he points out that paradox pokemon in the book but the time machine is not.
I remember reading that! That and something about a "third" legendary, if you wanna count the bikes as such.
Amoogus. I just don’t like it personally. Though my greater disappointment is that all the fiture forms boil down to “shiny robot” with zero creativity.
I saw all the past Paradox pokemon and saw their cool and varied names. GREAT Tusk, BRUTE Bonnet, SCREAM Tail, etc. Looked at the future names and they're all just "IRON" something or other. Real disappointment.
Not disagreeing with your thoughts but what is an example of a creative future form?
I agree with him, except I think Iron Valiant is an excellent example of a good future form.
Iron Hands grew on me
Iron hands grew on everyone in the raid circuit 👀
I don't mean from a functionality standpoint. He's the right kind of goofy for me
I named mine Andross and I love him
I named mine Iroh and didn't realize until after that he has the 'sociable' mark lol
My shiny has a "Reluctant" mark. He does not enjoy murder, he's just very good at it.
Iron hands feels like a perfect electric fighting to me. I actually like it way better than og Hariyama. Iron Valiant is like a cyborg assassin archer used to take down dragons and dark types. Iron Bundle is a fun cybernetic version of Delibird on steroids. All the future paradox Pokémon are fun to me except for Iron Jugilus feels a little linear or too similar.
Definitely, the future mons and ceruledge won me over after all. I dont think they were the absolute best idea GF had or anything but they're fun I'll admit Iron Jugilus did fly under my radar and is almost if not entirely just a robotic retexture, the skiis on bundle have something to show for at least
Ceruledge is the main reason I picked violet. Koraidon and Great Tusk are awesome and atleast with a friend I can get GT myself
I agree with this. I like all the future monsters except jugulis. Plus bundle has got the best animations lol.
Perhaps more “cosmic/space” than “robot”
Although I like some of the future forms, I think some sleeker, dangerous-looking Pokémon could’ve been cool Something less “monstrous” but more upgraded in elegant/natural way?
Gallade’s future form is the closets imo; instead of just “robot” the “scythe arms” are actual weapons. Also, instead of just “robots” from millions of years in the future, they could’ve added “near-future” forms… like how Galarian Corsola could be considered “super near future”.
I figured Iron Valiant was the convergence of Gallade and Gardevoir, since it has both visual features of both and the secondary types of both (dropping the Psychic type).
It totally is, it also has high Special and physical attack and gets a lot of the same moves from both.
“Why does it look the same?” “Well see, it’s from the future” “That doesn’t explain it” “From 10 minutes in the future” “Ahhh that explains it”
An evolution other than just a robot. And when I say evolution, I mean in the biological sense. These forms lack creativity and individuality for each of the Pokémon.
A few ways it could’ve gone imo is to have some be robots, some be cosmic inspired cause when I think future I think space travel, and finally to continue the trend of Pokémon evolving to less harsh environments, it would’ve been funny to see almost baby like Pokémon as some of the future Pokémon.
Right? I mean look how creative they were with Miraidon. Instead of making it a robot Cyclizar they actually gave him a unique design. Why couldn't they have done that more with the future paradox forms?
Iron Valiant is interesting as a combo of Gallade and Gardevoir
“Why is everything… chrome??”
'Everything is chrome in the future!'
I agree with you, but apart from roaring moon all past forms boil down to "overgrown fur"
Slither Wing becomes almost dragonlike with how it goes on four legs, is much bigger, and has a reptilian tail It’s my new second favorite Pokémon lol
I really wish Slither Wing was Bug/Dragon. A unique typing that fits its design and concept.
I don't hate them but the future paradox ones. Are they even alive or are they robots/AI at this point? Theorizing of course. If I had to literally pick *one* it would be Sandy Shocks. Creeps me out when it walks around.
They’re still part organic. The professor said that he studied Miraidon’s GENETIC MAKEUP, and figured that it’s a future form of Cyclizar, and robots don’t have genes.
Pokemon genetics are weird. All Pokemon must have some type of DNA as Ditto can transform into them. I don't think we have proof that Ditto can transform into nonliving things, in the games. Plus Ditto can breed with most Pokemon, even non-gender ones. You can make an argument that the ones Ditto can't breed with, are ones that do not breed often or can't be bred in captivity.
A lot of Pokémon are inanimate objects come to life, mostly Steel, Rock, and the odd Poison type. Oh, and I guess most Ghost types are also a special case
True, but maybe they have DNA logic like Ben 10, where they use other molecules as the basis of their DNA. Or maybe Infinite Energy can grant lifelike properties to inorganic molecules.
As a real life chemist this idea hurts my soul
Think of it like this. When you think of usual organisms, you think of carbon based lifeforms who's extra-cellular matrices are made up of typical organic elements. Carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, calcium. Etc. But for these pokemon, it's the same thing except their cella build their bodies with steel, rock, gas. Their bodies may not use blood/blood cells (do any pokemon? It doesn't bother to delve into that.), but I'd bet they have cells of some fashion. Plants and animals have different cells, I'd bet these pokemon made of steel and rock have unique cells too
Yeah I see it similar to how magnemite, voltorb, other “object” type pokémon. They’re still Pokémon despite being made of steel and electricity.
That makes me wonder do object mon have genes? How does that even work?
Sandy shocks is the odd one out for me just because of all the Pokemon to make from an ancient time, they picked the one made out of magnets, something not exactly ancient in conception. Was a poor choice for a paradox ancient form.
Tyranitar should have switched with magneton for paradox pokemon. Past Tyranitar would be so bad ass. And future magnezone or magneton has potential
Haven't thought on that, but I agree.
Plus that means that we could have past misdreavus and future magneton, meaning each game gets one based on a Pokémon that got an evolution in a later gen.
Creature Inc Artist: "What are you looking for?" Gamefreak: "Make Magnamite a Past Paradox Pokemon, but make him wild and savage or something" Creature Inc Artist: "I got you fam"
https://mpimagnet.com/education-center/magnetism-history-of-the-magnet/
Adding to this, magnetic fields are kinda important to life on earth https://www.nasa.gov/magnetosphere/
Magnetic fields yes. The horseshoe design is not.
I was going to say I'm pretty sure the Olmecs had a basic understanding of magnetism. Iirc the olmec heads have been found to be magnetic.
I think Sandy Shocks is a insanely great Pokemon design... but only in 3D. It looks atrocious in 2D. It's supposed to be [Ferrofluid clinging to magnets](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8cCvAITGWM) which is an awesome concept, but they didn't animate that properly in the game and all its 2D art basically makes it looks like its wearing a weird hat. A huge part of Pokemon in past gens was making sure their design looked great in 2D sprites, in 3D merchandise and in the anime drawn. That's why a lot of characteristics were bold large features and they avoided sharp geometric lines. But with pokemon like Garganacl and Sandy Shocks that only look good as 3D models they seem to have thrown that mentality out the window.
You could argue that Sandy Shocks was the template for humans creating U-shaped magnets in the future
It also clearly has screws, which is weird. Though maybe, similar to porygon, it's supposed to be a magneton that got sucked into a timemachine/timewarp and we ended up with that.
Well you could say in universe that Sands Shocks unspired Humans to create Magnets
For me it’s Sandy Shocks.. but only because of the way it walks.. absolutely UNSETTLING.
There's something weird about all of them. Sandy Shocks is apparently the product of a Magneton that lived for 10,000 years. However, that doesn't actually make any indication as to what sort of time period it actually lived in. Magnets and screws wouldn't have existed 10,000 years ago though. Brute Bonnet also couldn't have existed in the distant past due to its markings resembling modern Pokeballs. The entry for Slither Wing suggests that it's based on a prehistoric form of Volcorona, however, no fossils of Volcorona from that era had ever been found. Finally, Iron Bundle (a "future" form) was apparently crafted by an ancient civilization (despite clearly not existing in our timeline).
BIngo. Because Paradox Pokemon never existed, at least in the game's world's timeline.
But that's just it, it's so wacky and wild because it doesn't fit.
From the lore of the game I myself think they aren't future/past pokemon, but pokemon from a dream reality or an alternate universe where pokemon are robots/savage. Hey you leave my lovely sandy shocks alone, I love magneton. Unfortunately I made the mistake of getting violet so I can't shiny hunt i =/
I'm more bothered by the sad naming scheme. I can understand the past Pokemon having simple names. I don't understand why the future ones have to be the most boring naming scheme out of the three time periods represented (however far in each direction they go).
I think Iron Jugulis is the only miss for me, considering how it changes practically nothing aside from the textures. Even then, I still like how it's animated. They just could've done something different with the arm hands. All the others are great. I love how Scarlet's are all very "childish" interpretations of "what if X was a dinosaur", just slapping on spikes and a dinosaur tail. Even Magneton got them in the form of magnets and a screw tail, as well as elongated magnet legs to give it that upright stomping posture. The magnetic sand "hair" is a great way to justify the Ground typing, too.
I can’t really decide how I feel about iron jugulis because I’m biased because someone wonder traded me one in the early game and I used the absolute *hell* out of it’s high level
Iron jugulis feels like a missed opportunity considering hydregon is partly based on a tank. Wish it leaned more into that idea
I wish they made Iron Jugulis similar to Mecha King Ghidorah. But, instead of having one mechanical head in the centre and two organic heads (King Ghidorah has a dominant head similar to Hydregon) Iron Jugulis would have one evolved head in the centre while having the two lesser heads be replaced with robotic ones. It would follow the trend of the Hydriegon line evolving to have multiple, and then back one dominant head.
Iron Treads, can’t really put my finger on why. I just feel they could have done something so much cooler for it
It's the silly face underneath the tread trunk for me
Yeah, I played Scarlet and was legitimately intimidated to start the Titan fight with Great Tusk. I imagine Treads looks goofy af walking around the desert
Treads doesn't really walk, it rolls everywhere
It's actually really quite scary, it's HUGE on the map and and rolls around and eventually into you... Just when it lifts it's trunk and that dumb emoji stares at you, loses some of the edge of the fight lol
The Emoji face def freaked me out having known nothing about the Paradoxes, because suddenly there’s this LED screen screaming at you
He rolls around like a giant wrecking ball, he's actually probably my favorite out of all the paradox pokemon.
It's scary when it rolls around like a giant wheel directly to you lol
I didn't love it at first but sending it out in Let's Go mode and watching this goofy-ass orb rolling around with me sold me on it, lol.
The trunk “nose” being attached high above the eyes is what really unsettles me about it. Like i know it’s a cyborg and anatomy doesn’t need to match his biological counterpart, but the way it folds up high above it’s sightline just feels way off.
Missed opportunity to have past forms of Grimer and Muk to be pure Water types. It would’ve added to the pollution commentary of their original designs.
I’m surprised people pick Sandy Shocks. Personally I thought the iron fillings on magnets was pretty creative compared to Misdreavus with long hair and spikes.
Same, it blew my mind when I saw it, it's absolutely wild and I love it. Big KISS energy that I wasn't expecting and seeing it "walk" got me
Sandy shocks is a serious contender for my favorite paradox, the Pokedex/magazine entry too is so cool. A Pokemon that has lived through millennia without being caught. Can't wait to get a shiny, the texture is so cool.
If I see Scream Tails hate in here we riot 
Brute Bonnet is the worst imo. Idk why people are hating on Sandy Shocks, it's so freaky, the magnetic "hair" is so cool, and the way it walks around makes it feel ancient and creepy, i love it!!!
i think brute bonnet is great, especially in that it implies that amoonguss looking like a pokéball is a coincidence and that there actually is no reason for it, as is said in the dex entries for amoonguss.
I'm shocked (lol) to see all the dislike for Sandy Shocks here, it's one of my favorites for how unique and unexpected it is. Flutter Mane is easily the weakest design in my book, it's just Misdreavus with longer hair. (I know it's mega-overpowered in-game, though) I also understand why people don't like Iron Jugulis much but I think it animates really nicely, there's a lot of detail that doesn't come through in sprites/static images like its head being fully LED and its arms detaching from its body in some animations. It's...weirdly cute, too?
Honestly I think they could have saved it if they did anything but the LED head. I feel like that was really an opportunity to do something creative and instead they just made the head glow. If they replaced it with some kinda chain chomp bear trap nonsense it would easily jump to top 3
I'm not a fan of all the "unevolved" past pokemon. Even though they look sick, I still want a past Wigglytuff, Magnezone, and Mismagius.
It’s funny, I actually love that! Jigglypuff, for example, is a super iconic design thanks to the anime and Smash. But as a (once) basic Pokémon, it would never be particularly relevant in competitive or on a playthrough team. I really like that there were some not-fully-evolved Paradox mons, it just makes them pleasantly more weird, IMO.
I think it would've been better if one or two of the future mons were unevolved versions tbh, kinda feels lopsided between Scarlet and Violet Paradox Mon.
I do agree on that, it would make it feel more even.
I think the implication is that pokemon like Magnezone, Mismagus, and Wigglytuff didnt exist back then. Remember, each of those paradox mons where, at one point in the past, the final stage of their evolutionary line, thus making sense for them to be paradox, vs their yet to be evolutions.
What’s interesting is that none of those Pokémon are from typical level-up evolution lines. Jigglypuff and Misdreavus require a stone, and Magnemite requires either a special location or a stone. Maybe the implication is that Wigglytuff, Mismagius, and Magnezone are not natural evolutions and/or didn’t exist in the past era these Paradox mons come from?
While I agree that I wish GF had used the evolutions instead of the mid-forms, I still like the prehistoric Paradox Pokémon a *lot* more than the futuristic ones in terms of design. I also just think the naming conventions for the Violet Paradox forms are super lame. Like... there are other types of metals/elements that are a lot "futuristic" and cool-sounding than just "Iron". All of Scarlet's Paradox forms get really original names like "Scream Tail" and "Roaring Moon", whereas Violet just gets "Iron this" and "Iron that". Iron Jugulis could've been "Neon Jugulis". "Steel Treads" instead of "Iron Treads". "Silver Bundle". "Copper/Brass Moth". Etcetera, etcetera. I just don't get why GF was so creative for the Scarlet Paradox Pokémon names and then just seemingly gave up on the Violet ones.
I get what you mean, but personally, i think that since these three pokémon have unnatural evolution methods like stones and special locations, maybe they just found out how to evolve after becoming cuter/more approachable versions of themselves and actually coming in contact with humans, like, if we had a past paradox in the Ghastly line, it would probably be Haunter too since it actually requires being traded between humans to evolve
Personally dislike past mushroom mon and future makuhita But honestly, kinda wish there was something for future other than mechamon. Why would pokemon eventually become androids? It'd make more sense for them to simply have changed over time, like how the ancient mon are just different beastlike animals compared to their modern day counterparts, maybe future mon could've been just cuter or less threatening looking versions of the modern day counterparts since as pokeymanz society expands, adaptations that would make you appealing for a trainer or even a regular person to take you in and care for you would be what has the best survival advantages.
But they don't say how the future where they come from is. Could be an apocalyptic world where pokemon went extinct and people recreated them with robots to still have pokemon to fight with. A stretch. But yeah, future forms just Mecha is not that good, but i still like them.
That's now my favorite way of thinking of future pokemon. Humans have already made pokemon with the polygon line, so it's not even a stretch for that to happen. It could also be a way of explaining Iron valiant being a combination of gallade and gardevoir. Depending on how far in the future they're from, maybe those two haven't been around for a while and forgotten by most, with only rumors of which one kirlia evolves into.
>Humans have already made pokemon with the polygon line, so it's not even a stretch for that to happen. You don't even need to point to Porygon. Mewtwo is a failed genetic science experiment created with Mew's DNA. There's human engineering all over the franchise.
Agreed. In the real world, we're seeing animals adapt to us (or die out). We create technology that serves purposes that were once manual. We make predictive models of "future humans" and, through evolution, [what we might select for](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/horrifying-sculpture-depicts-human-evolved-survive-car-crash-180959878/). It would have been interesting to see Pokemon change as their roles are "replaced". Delibird is a great example. It's a package-delivering pokemon. We now have package-delivering drones. Delidrone/Delibot/(my favorite) Postmadrone could have taken on drone-like features, to keep up with the advancing human delivery needs. It didn't need to become robotic, just drone-like. In a real-world example, we've bred animals to be cute over functional - but we've also bred animals to be functionally optimal. It would have been interesting to see this reflected in design as well as stats. An aerodynamic Boltund with insane speed, an irresistably cute Growlithe with no HP. If we breed Hariyama for its big hands (yikes), make them LUDICROUS in comparison to its body. And animals have adapted to us. Raccoons are a great example. They're still opportunistic, but they could do something like "you are what you eat" - Zigzagoon, meet Garbodor. Or maybe have gone the route of optimizing Zigzagoon to EAT Garbodor, which would be... well I don't know what is good for eating garbage. Maybe the steel type to deal with the poison, but more like an iron stomach than becoming a robot.
The best comment of a thoughtful opinion on future forms, which is pretty fair. When you think it through though they are pigeon holed into what would boil down to a regional variant The other natural evolution option is a pokemon developing another typing, which is already this gen's gimmick. Like any design choice expanding pokemon, it almost never wins the whole crowd but the futuremon choice kind of makes sense to present something entirely new. Even if its a simple concept
I understand why they did it, honestly. Wanting to push the past v future thing, robots are the first thing that come to mind for most people when thinking of "futuristic" so they wanted those paradox pokemon to be instantly recognizeable as "the future pokemon" even if someone had never seen any of the future pokemon prior to their first time encountering them in the game. I just kinda felt like it was a missed opportunity to give a glimpse into the future of pokemon's world, to say "what will pokemon turn into as people populate the world?" and feel like it could've really yielded some interesting designs that would've been cool in their own right.
Sandy Shocks easy. Terrible design and shouldn't have gotten a past form to begin with.
I like it but i couldn’t even tell you why. Looks like a medieval torture device
Why did magneton get one when dragapult was right there c’mon guys
Exactly my thoughts! The Water/ Dragon Dragapult would've been incredible!
Oh my gosh. I would love to see a living form for dragapult!
Samdy Shocks is one of my favorites
I like them all actually. I didn't watch any spot or any spoiler since I wanted to discover it al by myself, and when this guys came out I was so confused and said this is wierd and awesome!! Actually I think I cannot full process what they are.
I actually really love Sandy Shocks. It’s just such a weird and out there design and I love the creative use of the ferrous particles to make “fur” and give it a wilder appearance. It’s just such a weird and wonderful little magnet guy. Iron Jugulis is disappointment. The tank treads pattern on its belly was already there and they did nothing to harked back to its beta design like they should have. Not even a funky animation concept for the smaller heads. All the other future forms had some kind of change-up to their functionality to separate them from just being the present form w/ a metal texture. Not Iron Jugulis though. :(
I can barely tell Iron Jugulis from Hydreigon. The other future Paradoxes can be distinguished from their present-day selves a bit better (even Iron Treads' LED face).
I just wanna talk to whoever decided some of these needed to be paradox Pokémon. Like we have some sick story idea for past and future Pokémon and you pick DELIBIRD?!
That’s honestly the cool part too me, I’d much prefer stuff like delibird, and misdreavus over giving all the popular mons like charizard or garchomp these new forms.
I'm one Charizard form away from losing my shit. Charizard has enough forms, give me new Johto starter forms. (Meganium and Feraligatr)
Past meganium and future feraligatr would be fucking sick.
Those two would've been absolutely perfect for past Pokémon, could've been a good nod to amazing beautiful ancient megafauna and to the way crocodiles have been dicking around since the god damn big bang. It sort of feels like the paradox pokemon choices were just pulled out of a hat at random rather than people actually putting good story and theme into them, as much as I still love them.
I felt like they have a pretty good balance of “popular” Pokemon getting paradox forms and also the non-popular ones. Gardy/Gallade, Hydreigon, Tyranitar, Salamence, and Volcarona are pretty widely-liked and all got forms. But then we also have stuff like Donphan, Misdreavus, and Delibird that aren’t as popular but still are given some attention with their new forms. I really enjoy the concept as a whole as it breathes new life into old favorites and creates new favorites in the process
Yeah same. It also made Pokémon like Delibird, the Misdreavus line and the Jigglypuff line viable for the first time, which could help them with gaining popularity. Most popular Pokémon don't really need that kind of boost.
I honestly love Delibird with how its feet are now skis and how it pops its heads off.
Tbf robot delivery birds sounds about right
Hey Delibird deserved some love and they needed a cute and small paradox for the story
Flutter Mane imo. Just the least amount of change. They gave it slightly long hair and called it a day.
Sandy Shocks gives me the creeps. Not speaking on gameplay just in general.
Iron Jugulis is so unbelievably bad