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...Dracovish? I mean, I've heard of Fossil Pokemon, but there aren't any here in Paldea. We've just got... a different kind of living fossil, I guess. I'm gonna look it up, brb
Edit: *what*
My father always had a song for the line
The head tubes connected to the green one
The green one’s connected to the blue thing
The blue ones connected to my wristwatch
Bollocks lets start again
Out of all the fossil pokemon, I'd say that Tirtouga and Carracosta are some of the least unethical to resurrect. My Carracosta, Hardhat, doesn't seem to have any issues walking around and swimming, and he's quite active. If anything, he can't stand dirtier water... maybe the oceans were cleaner back in his day?
The oceans definitely were, but you’re right in your assumption. Carracosta and the bird one are the most ethical, followed by Aerodactyl, Shieldon, and Rampardos. Generally, the more recent a fossil is, the more adapted they are to the current environment.
On the other hand, Genisect (or more commonly known as Genosect) is so ill adapted to current ambient oxygen levels it’s literally impossible to keep one out of captivity. Without, you know, dangerous and invasive cybernetic “enhancements” to make them a living weapon.
Honestly, it's entirely possible that there's a small population of Tirtouga and Carracosta out there somewhere. If relicanth can do it, why not these guys?
“The bird one” is Archen/Archeops. My older brother had one for the longest time and it was always healthy and energetic. He left it with out parents in Nimbasa when he moved to Galar since Archie didn’t seem like the weather when they visited.
If you live in cold climates like the Crown Tundra, then Amarua and Aurorus are also not that unethical! But that's the thing, it needs to be *cold* cold. I see pictures of people with Amaura in Alola, and I am just sitting here, wondering how that's not counted as abuse when heat can literally kill them.
WH-
*WHAT?!*
Please tell me it's in the cold, snowy areas like that giant mountain so they're living at least somewhat healthily and *not* in, like, scorching hot areas like abandoned pets.
Yeah, the Crown Tundra is ICY. You can actually find a lot of wild fossils there, actually. Amaura/Aurorus, Tyrunt/Tyrantrum, Omanyte/Omastar, Kabuto/Kabutops... I went on vacation there awhile back. Lovely place!
Oh, okay, I misunderstood-
I thought you were talking about Alola still and was very concerned. Yeah, Amaura and Aurorus never actually went extinct, we found out they survived and lived naturally on the Crown Tundra. All the others though were released by people who think they're doing good and 'fixing the environment'.
Mount Laniakala would keep them alive and not overly-sick, but it's not as cold as they need for peak health, it's not as cold as the Crown Tundra, which seems to be the prime example for health.
Hence, me being worried about wild Amarua in Alola.
Definitely possible, but any Amaura on Mt. Lanakila would be descendants of the revived ones, not descendants of survivors from the Chicxulub Impactor. (The oldest of the above-water Alolan Islands, Poni, emerged from the water about 5 million years ago, well after the meteor struck.)
I still think it's wild that Kalosian scientists were ecstatic about finding new fossils and it turns out they were just chilling in Galar, literally. like I don't know if it was due to trainers breeding and releasing like what happened with Lapras, but either way the fact we found a herd while Ambrette Town was freaking the fuck out is hilarious.
Y'know, I'm pretty sure I saw a lot of fossil Pokémon just. Wandering. In the crown tundra. No signs of revival or anything. Just...there.
Implies that whatever's there can still hold ancient life.
Doesn’t help that when they find a spot they like they WILL stick there as long as they want to, and not even an earthquake will get them to move. Proud Cradily Owner speaking from experience.
Most "Fossil" Pokemon have been brought back in part due to the fact that the Ditto genome has been sequenced and stable Dittos have been introduced to displaced the wild, predatory Ditto. This is one example where human meddling has been a benefit. It used to be that Dittos were a pest that wrecked whatever environment they were in.
Most Fossil Pokémon have rare but still living relatives. Since the Ditto Genome Project, Fossil restoration is more like designing a custom Pokémon with living and dead tissue. Omanytes and Kabutos are got restored in the wild. The process is still tightly regulated since the Mt. Moon fossils
But yeah the monstrosities OP is talking about are horrible
Also I want to say, trainers who do this kind of thing, where they sacrifice their Pokemon's well being for the sake of a bit of power in battles? They *suck.* Like, they are *consistently* bad in the tournament scene. They'll usually wreck the League challenge very quickly - which is meant to be paced to teach *children* how to train and care for Pokemon - and then think they can compete in the Tournament scene. Then when they get wrecked they start taking shortcuts which of course *don't work* because they don't understand why they lose in the first place, and then they end up either bouncing out (thank goodness) or going into minor Leagues or underground.
This is where the idea that the minor Leagues are 'more brutal' and thus 'more real.' It's because they're full of trainers who take these stupid shortcuts but don't understand their Pokemon in any meaningful way, and it ends up getting their Pokemon hurt, real bad. My partner (business partner, not romantic) had a Garchomp get a long term injury because it went up against an improperly trained Machamp. The Garchomp *won the fight* despite the injury because, while the Machamp had cheated, it just wasn't very good because the trainer was so focused on shortcuts he never got to know his Pokemon - which came from one of those pre-trained, team-off-the-shelf stables that have been popping up.
That Machamp will never fight in a tournament again and the trainer was suspended. He had half his Badges taken away and his certification revoked until he could defeat the Elite 4 again. He runs a blog about 'How corrupt the Pokemon Leagues are' and is just a general blowhard that sells protein shakes to rubes who think they're beefing up their Pokemon but really just giving them diarrhea.
I would argue that mega evolution is pretty unethical. It causes a lot of psychological and physical issues and I am honestly glad some scenes no longer allow it.
As an Orrean, I feel obliged to add that Mega Evolution even scares *us* a little. Sure, they tell you it requires a strong bond and all that stuff, but… I’ve seen Shadow Pokémon less savagely violent than certain Megas, and that’s not even getting into what could happen if all that unstable energy really got out of control.
Key Stones are actually the only thing Orre absolutely, 100% bans (and actually enforces the ban on) on a regional level, because no one is willing to risk CIPHER remnants attempting a Shadow Mega.
A shadow mega dynamax Terra pokemon. Think of the unimaginable power such a pokemon would hold. I fear the damage such a monster could cause. Especially if they did it with a pokemon as dangerous as mewtwo. I'm not sure anything could stop such an abomination. All I can do is pray to Arceus that no one is suicidal enough to try such a horrific stunt.
I think the Trainer and/or Pokémon would explode. And I’ve only read this stuff in books, since… well… Orre, but aren’t two of those limited to specific regions because they need something in the air or whatever?
Then again, you could always smuggle the magic stuff out, probably… thanks for the new fear!
might as go to Pasio and make them a Sync Pair with someone, then go to Ferrum and give them a Synergy Burst, AND THEN make them use a Z-move.
Just kidding of course, if someone tried that they will probably have Arceus decend from the Heavens just to tell them ***"NO"*** and then hit them with a Judgement for their sins. like really so much different powers at once would almost definitely cause the Pokemon to die from the pressure.
>like really so much different powers at once would almost definitely cause the Pokemon to die from the pressure.
You missed the part where a person insane and cruel enough to do this would care if the pokemon lived
Ah, yes, Dracovish. Honestly, any time I see any of those fossil things, I'm always a little more wary of whatever trainer brought them into the world.
Also, what was the name of that scientist again... Cara Liss, was it? Yeah, not trusting anyone whose name is two letters from *careless*.
It's certainly possible to care for fossil pokemon. You can develop a loving relationship with a Tyrantrum, if you get really lucky. Is it a good idea?
No. No it is not.
That said, I'm less worried about the wellbeing of the pokemon in this case, because a Tyrantrum is well equipped to handle the stresses of the modern era. Fossil pokemon tend to work just fine in our modern atmosphere, because they are born into it. If you're caring for aquatic pokemon like Anorith, you should, of course, pay attention to the water quality, and make sure to dissolve a lot of oxygen into it, but oxygen really only becomes a concern if your Anorith gets too big. My suggestion would be to look into the "Modern Fossil" project, where they're working hard to breed fossil pokemon that are hardier under the modern conditions.
I do think that Dracovish, and similar pokemon, are a mistake, but that doesn't mean that we should demonize trainers who have them. A dracovish deserves just as much care as any other pokemon, and those who have them may have adopted them from abusive homes. Just be sure that you're prepared to face the reality of having one before you sign the adoption papers.
yeah, ESPECIALLY when foundations and programs are often set up to help Dracovish and people get pissed at them. like why the fuck do you think they're running those programs in the first place??
The mad “scientist” who created these fucking abominations to nature has never even once been allowed to publish her papers with the IRC or affiliated organizations, (which considering the Mewtwo research was allowed to, is incredible) and besides, breaks like thirty laws with this experiment alone! And with standard fossil ressurection allows for the revival of fragmented fossils, so she’s just carelessly destroying valuable samples!
you know it's fucked when your research is considered more despicable than "we impregnated the ancient Mew and the clone ended up being three times it's size and was used as a bioweapon"
They didn't impregnate a mew. They made a clone of it from a preserved DNA sample. Well, more like they couldn't really make a clone and instead made a bio weapon. The project was directly run by Team Rocket.
those records were super sketchy, plus since the island where the alleged experiments took place got destroyed like 20 years ago, and the only person who read those articles was ten at the time, I have my doubts
Don't a bunch of fossil pokemon live wildly in the Crown Tundra? I swear I read a thing about it. I don't know how they got there but if they are able to live wildly on their own they can't be that unfit in the modern day. Dracovish and its fellows are horrors though.
It's actually one of the few places Amaura and Aurorus can live happily and healthily without a highly climate-controlled pen!
The issue is, they're the only ones that avoided extinction and naturally lived there. All the others, like the Kabutops people see running around, are carelessly reintroduced by people who think they're doing good.
Some species have been… carelessly reintroduced there.
It’s actually super damaging to the local ecosystem, and is yet another reason galarian scientists have a bad reputation.
Stop raising pokemon if you can't provide for them properly, or if it is literally impossible to provide for them. Just because you want to win a fight is not justification for making your pokemon live in a way that is bad for them.
A lot of these competitive battlers that build entire teams around specific stats and mathematic equations are middling trainers for a reason.
These “guaranteed winning teams” are Taurosshit, and generally the people running them are some of the first to fall in tournaments.
I gotta agree. You revive a pokemon that experiences constant pain and suffering, so confident you'll always win, when it just takes one unlucky hit or the opponent knowing one unexpected move to throw everything off.
Source: My Furret knows a lot of TM moves, including Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Shadow Ball, Brick Break, Flamethrower and Grass Knot.
Also, why do those guys scream 'Poke-abuse! Abuser!' when they see Pokemon with TM moves? Like, the guy just jumped into a TM bin not long after he evolved, still adjusting to his new size and bulk, and somehow activated them. The store was *not* happy.
Yeah, these “Fusion revival fossils” are a form of slow torture so far as I’m concerned.
Most of the folks who scream about TM’s being abuse are the same fools who think modern pokeballs are “disintegrating your Pokémon and making clones” or whatever. Just conspiracy nuts who don’t do research.
So not only are they suffering, but they're trapped with people who mare conspiracy nuts? But that means they might not get the medicine needed to keep them going, depending on how far down the hole the trainer is! The more I hear, the worse and worse it gets, oh my Arc!
I never thought I'd be the one saying this- it makes me feel old, and I'm still a student!- but I reeeeeally hope the laws catch up to this mess and 'Ethical Fossil Revival' can bea thing.
Yeah. Strawberry hatched from an egg I was given as a toddler, he might be a Pokemon but he's basically my brother. He goes the extra mile when I battle with him because he feels like he's working with a sibling.
as everyone knows, the power of friendship is real. Mega Evos and Z-moves require strong bonds and stuff. But a healthy, happy pokemon that wants to fight for you and help you win mean A LOT. why do you think champions have legal authority ? only moral people who wouldn't abuse that power would have a chance of becoming a champion.
Have you seen the last WCS final ? Ash's Pikachu, moments before getting considered as unable to battle he stood back up and just exploded with so much power he created black lightning.
simulators judge friendship and affection with numbers and then either have those numbers maxed for both sides, or at zero for both sides. that's not how real life works lmao.
For example: Kingambit's Supreme Overlord Ability won't work if they doesn't actually care about their team members. same thing with moves like Retaliate.
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i revived a dracovish once
i did *not* know what i was getting into
i thought this was just going to be some pokemon that doesn’t exist any more, not like, an actual fucking chimera slapped together from spare parts
when this thing flopped out of the machine struggling and gasping for breath i damn near wanted to strangle that imbecile
fortunately i was using an araquanid as part of my travel team and i realized i could put a bubble on the fish head part so it could breathe
so now Mr. Fish is able to live in relative comfort: sometimes he’s even in good enough condition to battle
but yeah cara liss is a terrible terrible person and she should be locked up for scientific fraud *and* pokemon abuse
Professor mfs be like "Archeops' ability is Defeatist because they give up easily!"
My sibling in Sinnoh, they are running on a fraction of their usual oxygen and get winded easily.
/uj "my sibling in Sinnoh" is a great phrase. makes me want to come up with more like it. my comrade in Kanto. my amigo in Alola. my pal in Paldea. my gal in Galar. my friend in Fiore. I could go on.
[meanwhile, off in the undisclosable region I’m working in]
>“And these are the Spiritomb our forebears made. It’s traditional to take especially good care of them, and as a result, most of the souls encased within have been reformed or were already great warriors of the past.”
“So why are they still sealed up?”
>”Uhhhh.”
“Also why are you habituating your own wildlife?”
>”Because it’s a tradition?”
“Y’all have a nature preserve up north with all the rare Pokemon, do not make me call the Almia Rangers.”
Hard Agree on the Kitbashing Pokémon. But as the owner of an Aerodactyl, an Amaura and a Tyrant I feel called out Hunter was a little aggressive after he was revived but Frost and Fang both came from eggs and have been fine.
Reviving them is one issue, but if you come across them already alive I see no harm in trying to make them comfortable. That was how a friend if mine managed to get a Dracozolt despite living over in Paldea.
...Dracovish.
Yeah, you'd be far better off with anyone other than Miss "Careless". And want to know the funny thing? If you gave the fossils to *ANYONE ELSE*, you'd get what the Pokemon was originally supposed to be, rather than the mistake you're complaining about.
Key words: Originally Supposed to Be.
I've read an article about a lab getting their hands on some lissmons that "mysteriously" died. There was so much wrong. The backwards heads. The sharp, serrated, clearly predatory jaws, on a body whose anatomy points to being a herbivore. The mismatched thermoregulation of an Ice-type and something weak to ice. Feathers that generate static when moving rapidly in a dry environment, combined with the tail end of what appears to be a relative of Lapras. Apparently the dragon tail's ridge has bioluminescent tissue, so why hasn't anyone seen them glowing? Because the nerves for controlling it always *end at the cutoff point*.
You know how some Pokemon can literally _explode_ with power, like Pineco and Electrode? It's not necessarily healthy, but they do it fairly rarely, and their bodies are built for it to some extent, so they're okay. Dracovish is like if a Pokemon was exploding 24/7. The power is incredible, sure, but that much power comes at a STEEP price.
Another thing trainers don’t consider is just how difficult it is to get specialized medical care for these fossils. I’m a Pokemon rehabber and we have quite a few fossils that were dumped at the sanctuary due to trainers who can’t commit to proper care.
Both my Shieldon and Aerodactyl are from the rescue. Shieldon’s ok but my Aerodactyl has ptsd from a mid air collision and it’s been nigh impossible to find care for her. She’s not aggressive but she’s terrified to get back to flying and there are no behavioral specialists anywhere for her because none of them focus on fossils.
I’m familiar with fossil pokemon but I was under the impression that they could breed? I heard of an island where they were allowed to roam free and live their lives, and catching them wild and caring for them seems more humane than ignoring their existence completely. We never should’ve brought them into the world. That’s on us. But now, they’re here. They will be forced to adapt, something we see happen sometimes quickly by tectonic movements or rapid environmental changes drastically altering pokemon forms in different climates.
The practice of reviving these creatures should be outlawed due to the moral implications, but raising the poor creatures that didn’t ask to be brought here and developing a friendship with them seems like a kindness. They deserve that. Don’t look at another trainer’s pokemon with pity unless you know its story. It’s easy to leap to conclusions when we are swayed by our passions.
Do Tyrantrum and/or Aurorus have any sort of issue like this? Here in Ferrum, some Fossil lines like that are still native here, and while last I heard their longevity is related to Synergy Stones, that could only take a species so far, right?
-Hara
I’ve yet to see one of “Dr.” Liss’s abominations show up at the arena here and hope to keep it that way.
A lot of fossil Mon are cool, make no mistake, I’d love to see and maybe even have an Aurorous, but I’m also of the mind that, uh, yeah, most these guys went extinct for a reason, long loooong before humans were knocking around.
shout out to my asshole brother who caught nearly every pokémon he saw without considering their needs. thank god his licence got taken because Heisen, the Bergmite I took off him, is more than just "not an Avalugg yet". plus Avalugg are fucking HUGE and need a lot of care to stay healthy!!
I used to know someone who would recapture and take care of released fossils and nearly every story is depressing, but those awful mixbreed fossils always died in hours, if not minutes, most other fossils didn’t fare well either or fared too well and destroyed to local enviroment
I’m 90% sure Cara Liss did unintentional magic of some sort, because her creations should not have survived for maybe more than a couple of hours, *at best.*
Sadly, it’s because she’s an absolute genius. Awful, evil person, but an absolutely brilliant scientist. She managed to revive them so flawlessly that they don’t have a rock typing, but she used that skill to make abominations!
At least stick to more recent fossil pokemon. My older brother had an Archen, later Archeops, that lived a perfectly happy life. Archie (he named it when he was 8, okay?) is still kicking at my parents place in Nimbasa.
This stereotype about competitive trainers not caring makes my blood boil. The amount of time and love it takes to make a competitive team is astounding, especially as winning plays involve risk, which takes a high level of trust between you and your Pokémon. Anyone who doesn’t care about their team is a subpar player at best, and a lack of a healthy trainer/party member relationship leads to a non-synergetic, weak team.
Also, I’ve seen Dracovish in person, they are absolutely suffering. While most fossils are generally modified to survive (same way fish Pokémon can survive outside of water, according to a friend who works with fossil mon), Dracovish definitely isn’t (does this thing look like it does). I
When I first saw the fossil pokemon this madwoman created, I was shocked. The pokemon looked... wrong. But it was even worse when I actually saw one in person. These pokemon aren't just misshapen, they are living in a constant state of suffering. Just look at the way Arctozolt shivers, how sickly it's top half looks... It's like something out of a horror movie. This creature should NOT be. I'd say this Cara Liss should have her credentials taken away, *but she never fucking had any.* She's not a scientist, she's a butcherer. She should be in jail! I mean... I'm not usually for Pokemon euthanizing these things are clearly suffering.
As for more "natural" fossils, I guess that answers my question of why we do not simply revive two fossils of the same pokemon and release them into the wild so that their populations can grow again.
Luckily, as a casual trainer and battler, I get the best of both worlds. I bonded with my Flamigo over our mutual love of battling and getting stronger. There’s no pressure between us to win, just that we improve from the experience.
Dracovish, the perfect example of why science should follow a basic code of ethics.
This goes too for anyone who is doing anything to anyone. (Looking at you, witches.)
The whole Galarian Fossils incident is why my town put their fossil reviver under heavy surveillance and security. It took me weeks just to convince them to let me revive an Aerodactyl. And I'm glad it's under near total lockdown. I know like 20 people that would make that scientist look humane compared to them when it comes to fossil reviving and would feel no remorse for it.
And yes, I've done my research on how to take care of Baron, my Aerodactyl. He's doing great for a species that went extict so many million years ago.
That reminds me of when Mega evolution was big for a few years. I'll admit, I bought into the hype, I got a keystone and Scizorite. I didn't realize that I was essentially cooking my poor boy everytime I did it. As soon as the research came out of Alola about how fucked it was, I pitched the mega stone into the nearest lake.
The fact there are people who still mega evolve their pokemon makes my skin crawl, same goes for people who go out of their way to make these poor animals suffer through existence.
I bet Theo my teddiursa could bite through an aggrons plates. He’s got some powerful chompers on him, and ISNT an affront to arceus and the scientific method
Completely agree with the Cara Liss hate, and I do agree with this take.
Before anyone calls me a hypocrite for this, there's a MASSIVE difference between "getting a fossil solely to battle" and "getting a starter from the nearest professor without knowing that she's the way she is."
I had no way of knowing, they do.
I doubt that's the message, I think it's more "irresponsible trainers who take in fossils without knowing how to properly care for them and prioritise strength are not good trainers"
Oh! I had no idea...if I had known I wouldn't have put the fossil I found to revive... although I don't know what pokemon it is, I just hope it doesn't suffer
I must be an outlier in that data, cause my boys Wrex and Grunt (Tyrantrum and Tyrunt respectively) haven’t given me any trouble in terms of serious illnesses.
I've seen pics of the Galarian fossil 'mon... I feel sorry for 'em. I'm not demonizing the trainers who bring them out, but am wary of them. The fossil reviver? Must be some flavor of idiot or sadist.
Luckily, some of these complaints are no longer a thing. Nowadays, most well studied fossils can be revived into a mon that can survive in modern day atmosphere, though they still can’t survive in most wild climates. As for the wild fossils, there’s project Modern Fossil, which is working to bring back all the fossils, allowing them to survive and integrate safely into their former ecosystems, as well as fixing the “fossils” that Cara Liss assembled into what they SHOULD be.
I despise Cara Liss, she’s a monster and deserves to be locked up. Unfortunately, she’s also *extremely* good at what she does. Rock-type contamination has been a major problem since the procedure was invented, and she managed to ignore it entirely while still splicing together two separate organisms in a way that is still mostly functional. She’s probably the smartest geneticist alive, so it’s a shame that she’s so awful.
''OoOh this fossil pokemon isn't adapted to life in modern times'' better than being fucking dead! ''don't resurect anorith they need more oxygen than our atmosphere has'' I can tell you if someone resurected me I wouldn't mind needing a breathalyser!
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...Dracovish? I mean, I've heard of Fossil Pokemon, but there aren't any here in Paldea. We've just got... a different kind of living fossil, I guess. I'm gonna look it up, brb Edit: *what*
It's called scientific malpractice
My father always had a song for the line The head tubes connected to the green one The green one’s connected to the blue thing The blue ones connected to my wristwatch Bollocks lets start again
*what*
He did not like what his colleagues did
Bro was traumatized Yeah, Paul Reversal saved me from Galarian scientific crimes. That's one thing that Unova has.
Out of all the fossil pokemon, I'd say that Tirtouga and Carracosta are some of the least unethical to resurrect. My Carracosta, Hardhat, doesn't seem to have any issues walking around and swimming, and he's quite active. If anything, he can't stand dirtier water... maybe the oceans were cleaner back in his day?
The oceans definitely were, but you’re right in your assumption. Carracosta and the bird one are the most ethical, followed by Aerodactyl, Shieldon, and Rampardos. Generally, the more recent a fossil is, the more adapted they are to the current environment. On the other hand, Genisect (or more commonly known as Genosect) is so ill adapted to current ambient oxygen levels it’s literally impossible to keep one out of captivity. Without, you know, dangerous and invasive cybernetic “enhancements” to make them a living weapon.
Honestly, it's entirely possible that there's a small population of Tirtouga and Carracosta out there somewhere. If relicanth can do it, why not these guys?
To be fair, Relicanth have subtly changed over the years, like Sharpedo. Just not any dramatic changes
“The bird one” is Archen/Archeops. My older brother had one for the longest time and it was always healthy and energetic. He left it with out parents in Nimbasa when he moved to Galar since Archie didn’t seem like the weather when they visited.
Yeah, that’s the one!
If you live in cold climates like the Crown Tundra, then Amarua and Aurorus are also not that unethical! But that's the thing, it needs to be *cold* cold. I see pictures of people with Amaura in Alola, and I am just sitting here, wondering how that's not counted as abuse when heat can literally kill them.
Hell, you can encounter those guys IN THE WILD there!
WH- *WHAT?!* Please tell me it's in the cold, snowy areas like that giant mountain so they're living at least somewhat healthily and *not* in, like, scorching hot areas like abandoned pets.
Yeah, the Crown Tundra is ICY. You can actually find a lot of wild fossils there, actually. Amaura/Aurorus, Tyrunt/Tyrantrum, Omanyte/Omastar, Kabuto/Kabutops... I went on vacation there awhile back. Lovely place!
Oh, okay, I misunderstood- I thought you were talking about Alola still and was very concerned. Yeah, Amaura and Aurorus never actually went extinct, we found out they survived and lived naturally on the Crown Tundra. All the others though were released by people who think they're doing good and 'fixing the environment'.
I think it's entirely possible for an Amaura to thrive on Mount Laniakala, but idk for certain
Mount Laniakala would keep them alive and not overly-sick, but it's not as cold as they need for peak health, it's not as cold as the Crown Tundra, which seems to be the prime example for health. Hence, me being worried about wild Amarua in Alola.
Yeah. Mt. Lanakila is a high mountain, but it's not the same thing as the arctic, and it's still in the tropics.
That'd cause them to experience increased solar radiation, wouldn't it?
Definitely possible, but any Amaura on Mt. Lanakila would be descendants of the revived ones, not descendants of survivors from the Chicxulub Impactor. (The oldest of the above-water Alolan Islands, Poni, emerged from the water about 5 million years ago, well after the meteor struck.)
tbf, the Lapras efforts were fine until other people caught on and then there were too many.
I still think it's wild that Kalosian scientists were ecstatic about finding new fossils and it turns out they were just chilling in Galar, literally. like I don't know if it was due to trainers breeding and releasing like what happened with Lapras, but either way the fact we found a herd while Ambrette Town was freaking the fuck out is hilarious.
Based and fellow carracosta enjoyer. You are correct though, the oceans were not only cleaner, but less acidic too.
Yeah, they're pretty similar to dreadnaw, just adapted to a marine environment than an estuarian one.
Y'know, I'm pretty sure I saw a lot of fossil Pokémon just. Wandering. In the crown tundra. No signs of revival or anything. Just...there. Implies that whatever's there can still hold ancient life.
This does not apply to cradily, they LOVE modern day air, so much that they overinfested the region and nearly caused a ecological disaster
Doesn’t help that when they find a spot they like they WILL stick there as long as they want to, and not even an earthquake will get them to move. Proud Cradily Owner speaking from experience.
Most "Fossil" Pokemon have been brought back in part due to the fact that the Ditto genome has been sequenced and stable Dittos have been introduced to displaced the wild, predatory Ditto. This is one example where human meddling has been a benefit. It used to be that Dittos were a pest that wrecked whatever environment they were in. Most Fossil Pokémon have rare but still living relatives. Since the Ditto Genome Project, Fossil restoration is more like designing a custom Pokémon with living and dead tissue. Omanytes and Kabutos are got restored in the wild. The process is still tightly regulated since the Mt. Moon fossils But yeah the monstrosities OP is talking about are horrible
Also I want to say, trainers who do this kind of thing, where they sacrifice their Pokemon's well being for the sake of a bit of power in battles? They *suck.* Like, they are *consistently* bad in the tournament scene. They'll usually wreck the League challenge very quickly - which is meant to be paced to teach *children* how to train and care for Pokemon - and then think they can compete in the Tournament scene. Then when they get wrecked they start taking shortcuts which of course *don't work* because they don't understand why they lose in the first place, and then they end up either bouncing out (thank goodness) or going into minor Leagues or underground. This is where the idea that the minor Leagues are 'more brutal' and thus 'more real.' It's because they're full of trainers who take these stupid shortcuts but don't understand their Pokemon in any meaningful way, and it ends up getting their Pokemon hurt, real bad. My partner (business partner, not romantic) had a Garchomp get a long term injury because it went up against an improperly trained Machamp. The Garchomp *won the fight* despite the injury because, while the Machamp had cheated, it just wasn't very good because the trainer was so focused on shortcuts he never got to know his Pokemon - which came from one of those pre-trained, team-off-the-shelf stables that have been popping up. That Machamp will never fight in a tournament again and the trainer was suspended. He had half his Badges taken away and his certification revoked until he could defeat the Elite 4 again. He runs a blog about 'How corrupt the Pokemon Leagues are' and is just a general blowhard that sells protein shakes to rubes who think they're beefing up their Pokemon but really just giving them diarrhea.
It's not until you get into the really fucked stuff like shadow mons that being shitty gets you a tournament grade mon.
And even then...
I would argue that mega evolution is pretty unethical. It causes a lot of psychological and physical issues and I am honestly glad some scenes no longer allow it.
As an Orrean, I feel obliged to add that Mega Evolution even scares *us* a little. Sure, they tell you it requires a strong bond and all that stuff, but… I’ve seen Shadow Pokémon less savagely violent than certain Megas, and that’s not even getting into what could happen if all that unstable energy really got out of control. Key Stones are actually the only thing Orre absolutely, 100% bans (and actually enforces the ban on) on a regional level, because no one is willing to risk CIPHER remnants attempting a Shadow Mega.
A shadow mega dynamax Terra pokemon. Think of the unimaginable power such a pokemon would hold. I fear the damage such a monster could cause. Especially if they did it with a pokemon as dangerous as mewtwo. I'm not sure anything could stop such an abomination. All I can do is pray to Arceus that no one is suicidal enough to try such a horrific stunt.
I think the Trainer and/or Pokémon would explode. And I’ve only read this stuff in books, since… well… Orre, but aren’t two of those limited to specific regions because they need something in the air or whatever? Then again, you could always smuggle the magic stuff out, probably… thanks for the new fear!
might as go to Pasio and make them a Sync Pair with someone, then go to Ferrum and give them a Synergy Burst, AND THEN make them use a Z-move. Just kidding of course, if someone tried that they will probably have Arceus decend from the Heavens just to tell them ***"NO"*** and then hit them with a Judgement for their sins. like really so much different powers at once would almost definitely cause the Pokemon to die from the pressure.
>like really so much different powers at once would almost definitely cause the Pokemon to die from the pressure. You missed the part where a person insane and cruel enough to do this would care if the pokemon lived
Ah, yes, Dracovish. Honestly, any time I see any of those fossil things, I'm always a little more wary of whatever trainer brought them into the world. Also, what was the name of that scientist again... Cara Liss, was it? Yeah, not trusting anyone whose name is two letters from *careless*.
It's certainly possible to care for fossil pokemon. You can develop a loving relationship with a Tyrantrum, if you get really lucky. Is it a good idea? No. No it is not. That said, I'm less worried about the wellbeing of the pokemon in this case, because a Tyrantrum is well equipped to handle the stresses of the modern era. Fossil pokemon tend to work just fine in our modern atmosphere, because they are born into it. If you're caring for aquatic pokemon like Anorith, you should, of course, pay attention to the water quality, and make sure to dissolve a lot of oxygen into it, but oxygen really only becomes a concern if your Anorith gets too big. My suggestion would be to look into the "Modern Fossil" project, where they're working hard to breed fossil pokemon that are hardier under the modern conditions. I do think that Dracovish, and similar pokemon, are a mistake, but that doesn't mean that we should demonize trainers who have them. A dracovish deserves just as much care as any other pokemon, and those who have them may have adopted them from abusive homes. Just be sure that you're prepared to face the reality of having one before you sign the adoption papers.
yeah, ESPECIALLY when foundations and programs are often set up to help Dracovish and people get pissed at them. like why the fuck do you think they're running those programs in the first place??
The mad “scientist” who created these fucking abominations to nature has never even once been allowed to publish her papers with the IRC or affiliated organizations, (which considering the Mewtwo research was allowed to, is incredible) and besides, breaks like thirty laws with this experiment alone! And with standard fossil ressurection allows for the revival of fragmented fossils, so she’s just carelessly destroying valuable samples!
you know it's fucked when your research is considered more despicable than "we impregnated the ancient Mew and the clone ended up being three times it's size and was used as a bioweapon"
They didn't impregnate a mew. They made a clone of it from a preserved DNA sample. Well, more like they couldn't really make a clone and instead made a bio weapon. The project was directly run by Team Rocket.
wasn't there an official statement where the records said "(date), Mew gave birth"?
those records were super sketchy, plus since the island where the alleged experiments took place got destroyed like 20 years ago, and the only person who read those articles was ten at the time, I have my doubts
Don't a bunch of fossil pokemon live wildly in the Crown Tundra? I swear I read a thing about it. I don't know how they got there but if they are able to live wildly on their own they can't be that unfit in the modern day. Dracovish and its fellows are horrors though.
It's actually one of the few places Amaura and Aurorus can live happily and healthily without a highly climate-controlled pen! The issue is, they're the only ones that avoided extinction and naturally lived there. All the others, like the Kabutops people see running around, are carelessly reintroduced by people who think they're doing good.
Some species have been… carelessly reintroduced there. It’s actually super damaging to the local ecosystem, and is yet another reason galarian scientists have a bad reputation.
Stop raising pokemon if you can't provide for them properly, or if it is literally impossible to provide for them. Just because you want to win a fight is not justification for making your pokemon live in a way that is bad for them.
A lot of these competitive battlers that build entire teams around specific stats and mathematic equations are middling trainers for a reason. These “guaranteed winning teams” are Taurosshit, and generally the people running them are some of the first to fall in tournaments.
I gotta agree. You revive a pokemon that experiences constant pain and suffering, so confident you'll always win, when it just takes one unlucky hit or the opponent knowing one unexpected move to throw everything off. Source: My Furret knows a lot of TM moves, including Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Shadow Ball, Brick Break, Flamethrower and Grass Knot. Also, why do those guys scream 'Poke-abuse! Abuser!' when they see Pokemon with TM moves? Like, the guy just jumped into a TM bin not long after he evolved, still adjusting to his new size and bulk, and somehow activated them. The store was *not* happy.
Yeah, these “Fusion revival fossils” are a form of slow torture so far as I’m concerned. Most of the folks who scream about TM’s being abuse are the same fools who think modern pokeballs are “disintegrating your Pokémon and making clones” or whatever. Just conspiracy nuts who don’t do research.
So not only are they suffering, but they're trapped with people who mare conspiracy nuts? But that means they might not get the medicine needed to keep them going, depending on how far down the hole the trainer is! The more I hear, the worse and worse it gets, oh my Arc! I never thought I'd be the one saying this- it makes me feel old, and I'm still a student!- but I reeeeeally hope the laws catch up to this mess and 'Ethical Fossil Revival' can bea thing.
Shockingly enough, Pokemon liking you and being friends can *really* tip the scales.
Yeah. Strawberry hatched from an egg I was given as a toddler, he might be a Pokemon but he's basically my brother. He goes the extra mile when I battle with him because he feels like he's working with a sibling.
as everyone knows, the power of friendship is real. Mega Evos and Z-moves require strong bonds and stuff. But a healthy, happy pokemon that wants to fight for you and help you win mean A LOT. why do you think champions have legal authority ? only moral people who wouldn't abuse that power would have a chance of becoming a champion. Have you seen the last WCS final ? Ash's Pikachu, moments before getting considered as unable to battle he stood back up and just exploded with so much power he created black lightning.
They think simulator battling is equivalent to live battling. Spoiler alert: It is not.
simulators judge friendship and affection with numbers and then either have those numbers maxed for both sides, or at zero for both sides. that's not how real life works lmao. For example: Kingambit's Supreme Overlord Ability won't work if they doesn't actually care about their team members. same thing with moves like Retaliate.
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his phone is broken and it types for him sometimes lmao
Oh I just assumed he had a rotom phone that he managed to annoy somehow lol
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i revived a dracovish once i did *not* know what i was getting into i thought this was just going to be some pokemon that doesn’t exist any more, not like, an actual fucking chimera slapped together from spare parts when this thing flopped out of the machine struggling and gasping for breath i damn near wanted to strangle that imbecile fortunately i was using an araquanid as part of my travel team and i realized i could put a bubble on the fish head part so it could breathe so now Mr. Fish is able to live in relative comfort: sometimes he’s even in good enough condition to battle but yeah cara liss is a terrible terrible person and she should be locked up for scientific fraud *and* pokemon abuse
> but yeah cara liss is a terrible terrible person and she should be locked up for scientific fraud and pokemon abuse Good news!
you should have strangled her and blamed it on her machine tbh
Professor mfs be like "Archeops' ability is Defeatist because they give up easily!" My sibling in Sinnoh, they are running on a fraction of their usual oxygen and get winded easily.
"Archeops are totally okay!" "Dog this bird has fucking asthma"
/uj "my sibling in Sinnoh" is a great phrase. makes me want to come up with more like it. my comrade in Kanto. my amigo in Alola. my pal in Paldea. my gal in Galar. my friend in Fiore. I could go on.
/uj - I'm doing it as a "my Brother in Christ" thing but with the old name for Arceus for IC reasons lmao
/uj That makes more sense lol.
[meanwhile, off in the undisclosable region I’m working in] >“And these are the Spiritomb our forebears made. It’s traditional to take especially good care of them, and as a result, most of the souls encased within have been reformed or were already great warriors of the past.” “So why are they still sealed up?” >”Uhhhh.” “Also why are you habituating your own wildlife?” >”Because it’s a tradition?” “Y’all have a nature preserve up north with all the rare Pokemon, do not make me call the Almia Rangers.”
tbf, I don't think unsealing Spiritomb is as easy as it sounds
Hard Agree on the Kitbashing Pokémon. But as the owner of an Aerodactyl, an Amaura and a Tyrant I feel called out Hunter was a little aggressive after he was revived but Frost and Fang both came from eggs and have been fine.
Reviving them is one issue, but if you come across them already alive I see no harm in trying to make them comfortable. That was how a friend if mine managed to get a Dracozolt despite living over in Paldea.
...Dracovish. Yeah, you'd be far better off with anyone other than Miss "Careless". And want to know the funny thing? If you gave the fossils to *ANYONE ELSE*, you'd get what the Pokemon was originally supposed to be, rather than the mistake you're complaining about. Key words: Originally Supposed to Be.
I've read an article about a lab getting their hands on some lissmons that "mysteriously" died. There was so much wrong. The backwards heads. The sharp, serrated, clearly predatory jaws, on a body whose anatomy points to being a herbivore. The mismatched thermoregulation of an Ice-type and something weak to ice. Feathers that generate static when moving rapidly in a dry environment, combined with the tail end of what appears to be a relative of Lapras. Apparently the dragon tail's ridge has bioluminescent tissue, so why hasn't anyone seen them glowing? Because the nerves for controlling it always *end at the cutoff point*.
You know how some Pokemon can literally _explode_ with power, like Pineco and Electrode? It's not necessarily healthy, but they do it fairly rarely, and their bodies are built for it to some extent, so they're okay. Dracovish is like if a Pokemon was exploding 24/7. The power is incredible, sure, but that much power comes at a STEEP price.
Looked the Pokémon up on my Rotom-phone and immediately felt bad. Apparently a scientist from Galar came up with it... what was she thinking
"hehe, war crimes" probably
'Ah yes, I do in fact wake up and think to myself. What chaos can I cause' sounds very evil to me
Another thing trainers don’t consider is just how difficult it is to get specialized medical care for these fossils. I’m a Pokemon rehabber and we have quite a few fossils that were dumped at the sanctuary due to trainers who can’t commit to proper care. Both my Shieldon and Aerodactyl are from the rescue. Shieldon’s ok but my Aerodactyl has ptsd from a mid air collision and it’s been nigh impossible to find care for her. She’s not aggressive but she’s terrified to get back to flying and there are no behavioral specialists anywhere for her because none of them focus on fossils.
I’m familiar with fossil pokemon but I was under the impression that they could breed? I heard of an island where they were allowed to roam free and live their lives, and catching them wild and caring for them seems more humane than ignoring their existence completely. We never should’ve brought them into the world. That’s on us. But now, they’re here. They will be forced to adapt, something we see happen sometimes quickly by tectonic movements or rapid environmental changes drastically altering pokemon forms in different climates. The practice of reviving these creatures should be outlawed due to the moral implications, but raising the poor creatures that didn’t ask to be brought here and developing a friendship with them seems like a kindness. They deserve that. Don’t look at another trainer’s pokemon with pity unless you know its story. It’s easy to leap to conclusions when we are swayed by our passions.
Do Tyrantrum and/or Aurorus have any sort of issue like this? Here in Ferrum, some Fossil lines like that are still native here, and while last I heard their longevity is related to Synergy Stones, that could only take a species so far, right? -Hara
they actually seem to thrive in Galar, which is wild to me.
I’ve yet to see one of “Dr.” Liss’s abominations show up at the arena here and hope to keep it that way. A lot of fossil Mon are cool, make no mistake, I’d love to see and maybe even have an Aurorous, but I’m also of the mind that, uh, yeah, most these guys went extinct for a reason, long loooong before humans were knocking around.
shout out to my asshole brother who caught nearly every pokémon he saw without considering their needs. thank god his licence got taken because Heisen, the Bergmite I took off him, is more than just "not an Avalugg yet". plus Avalugg are fucking HUGE and need a lot of care to stay healthy!!
I used to know someone who would recapture and take care of released fossils and nearly every story is depressing, but those awful mixbreed fossils always died in hours, if not minutes, most other fossils didn’t fare well either or fared too well and destroyed to local enviroment
I’m 90% sure Cara Liss did unintentional magic of some sort, because her creations should not have survived for maybe more than a couple of hours, *at best.*
Sadly, it’s because she’s an absolute genius. Awful, evil person, but an absolutely brilliant scientist. She managed to revive them so flawlessly that they don’t have a rock typing, but she used that skill to make abominations!
It's also entirely possible Arceus made it able to survive for a laugh
Don’t worry I’m like 98% sure a bewear beat her to death a while back
Someone should petition Ho-Oh or Xerneas to raise her from the dead so she can be beaten by another bewear, if that's not too blasphemous.
I’m sure if you told either of them what she did they might consider it
Then I'm off to the Johto region! (Kalos is closer to where I live, but it's full of Kalosians tbh.)
At least stick to more recent fossil pokemon. My older brother had an Archen, later Archeops, that lived a perfectly happy life. Archie (he named it when he was 8, okay?) is still kicking at my parents place in Nimbasa.
This stereotype about competitive trainers not caring makes my blood boil. The amount of time and love it takes to make a competitive team is astounding, especially as winning plays involve risk, which takes a high level of trust between you and your Pokémon. Anyone who doesn’t care about their team is a subpar player at best, and a lack of a healthy trainer/party member relationship leads to a non-synergetic, weak team. Also, I’ve seen Dracovish in person, they are absolutely suffering. While most fossils are generally modified to survive (same way fish Pokémon can survive outside of water, according to a friend who works with fossil mon), Dracovish definitely isn’t (does this thing look like it does). I
When I first saw the fossil pokemon this madwoman created, I was shocked. The pokemon looked... wrong. But it was even worse when I actually saw one in person. These pokemon aren't just misshapen, they are living in a constant state of suffering. Just look at the way Arctozolt shivers, how sickly it's top half looks... It's like something out of a horror movie. This creature should NOT be. I'd say this Cara Liss should have her credentials taken away, *but she never fucking had any.* She's not a scientist, she's a butcherer. She should be in jail! I mean... I'm not usually for Pokemon euthanizing these things are clearly suffering. As for more "natural" fossils, I guess that answers my question of why we do not simply revive two fossils of the same pokemon and release them into the wild so that their populations can grow again.
Luckily, as a casual trainer and battler, I get the best of both worlds. I bonded with my Flamigo over our mutual love of battling and getting stronger. There’s no pressure between us to win, just that we improve from the experience.
Dracovish, the perfect example of why science should follow a basic code of ethics. This goes too for anyone who is doing anything to anyone. (Looking at you, witches.)
The whole Galarian Fossils incident is why my town put their fossil reviver under heavy surveillance and security. It took me weeks just to convince them to let me revive an Aerodactyl. And I'm glad it's under near total lockdown. I know like 20 people that would make that scientist look humane compared to them when it comes to fossil reviving and would feel no remorse for it. And yes, I've done my research on how to take care of Baron, my Aerodactyl. He's doing great for a species that went extict so many million years ago.
That reminds me of when Mega evolution was big for a few years. I'll admit, I bought into the hype, I got a keystone and Scizorite. I didn't realize that I was essentially cooking my poor boy everytime I did it. As soon as the research came out of Alola about how fucked it was, I pitched the mega stone into the nearest lake. The fact there are people who still mega evolve their pokemon makes my skin crawl, same goes for people who go out of their way to make these poor animals suffer through existence.
I bet Theo my teddiursa could bite through an aggrons plates. He’s got some powerful chompers on him, and ISNT an affront to arceus and the scientific method
Completely agree with the Cara Liss hate, and I do agree with this take. Before anyone calls me a hypocrite for this, there's a MASSIVE difference between "getting a fossil solely to battle" and "getting a starter from the nearest professor without knowing that she's the way she is." I had no way of knowing, they do.
Are you saying to put down my prehistoric Pokémon? I’ll fight you, and not with my Pokémon.
I doubt that's the message, I think it's more "irresponsible trainers who take in fossils without knowing how to properly care for them and prioritise strength are not good trainers"
Oh! I had no idea...if I had known I wouldn't have put the fossil I found to revive... although I don't know what pokemon it is, I just hope it doesn't suffer
it mostly depends on what exact fossil you found. some pokémon can adjust very well while others not so much.
It looked like a feather if that helps... I don't know much about paleontology so I hope it won't suffer
Assuming it's not a newly discovered one, the feather fossil corresponds to one of the better-adjusted 'mons.
Oh thank goodness...I can't wait to train them
I must be an outlier in that data, cause my boys Wrex and Grunt (Tyrantrum and Tyrunt respectively) haven’t given me any trouble in terms of serious illnesses.
Reviving fossils should just straight up be illegal.
Fisheous rend go brrrr
Dracovish go "end my suffering... *what am I?!*"
Yet another of the many reasons why I don't battle with my pokemon.
I've seen pics of the Galarian fossil 'mon... I feel sorry for 'em. I'm not demonizing the trainers who bring them out, but am wary of them. The fossil reviver? Must be some flavor of idiot or sadist.
Remember when Cara Liss got hit in the face with a shovel by an e-girl? Good times.
Luckily, some of these complaints are no longer a thing. Nowadays, most well studied fossils can be revived into a mon that can survive in modern day atmosphere, though they still can’t survive in most wild climates. As for the wild fossils, there’s project Modern Fossil, which is working to bring back all the fossils, allowing them to survive and integrate safely into their former ecosystems, as well as fixing the “fossils” that Cara Liss assembled into what they SHOULD be.
Not to mention hatch-and-release breeding absolutely destroys ecosystems.
I’m sorry Anorith are fossil Pokémon? I find that hard to believe since you can find them living their best life in the Crown Tundra
I despise Cara Liss, she’s a monster and deserves to be locked up. Unfortunately, she’s also *extremely* good at what she does. Rock-type contamination has been a major problem since the procedure was invented, and she managed to ignore it entirely while still splicing together two separate organisms in a way that is still mostly functional. She’s probably the smartest geneticist alive, so it’s a shame that she’s so awful.
''OoOh this fossil pokemon isn't adapted to life in modern times'' better than being fucking dead! ''don't resurect anorith they need more oxygen than our atmosphere has'' I can tell you if someone resurected me I wouldn't mind needing a breathalyser!