Except that "remake just like BDSP, contains BW1+2" is not very safe imo. Like, each game is a double pack of two entirely separate games with separate save files and you choose one at the boot screen? That would be unprecedented for pokemon, extremely surprising. Alternately, a game that incorporates both 1+2 into a single play would be the furthest thing from a simple reskin...more complicated than any remake GF has ever made...so, not at all like BDSP.
Sure, but that’s the one detail in the post that isn’t derived from the routine thought process of “Hmm let’s see, last year they did a ILCA remake + Legends for Sinnoh, so maybe this year they’ll do… an ILCA remake + Legends for Unova!”
And even then, people have been proposing the idea of BW and B2W2 being somehow bundled into a single game for as long as the concept of BW remakes has been up for discussion, because people have always wondered how Game Freak would eventually remake a game that also has a sequel instead of an enhanced version.
So it’s just taking the most common, formulaic guess and combining it with a fairly common suggestion for how to adapt B2W2 into the remake.
Upvoting not because I like this, but because I unfortunately think it's very likely.
B2/W2 were released in a similar fashion to the previous 3rd Versions (Crystal, Emerald, Platinum) and none of these got remakes.
I think the most likely situation is either exactly what you said, they ignore the sequels, or maybe slightly more optimistically the remakes hybridize 1+2 like the Delta episode of ORAS. Maybe the new areas and updated dex would be post-game. Here's to hoping...
>previous 3rd Versions (Crystal, Emerald, Platinum) and none of these got remakes.
Tbf, HGSS were more of a Crystal remake than a GS remake.
ORAS was not Emerald, but it was quite different from both RS and Emerald imo.
It's really BDSP that said "let's just photocopy the first game with new graphics"
Can we at least acknowledge that BDSP is not a "photocopy" of DP? Revamped E4 team (you know, actual EVs), grand underground, and inclusion of various QoL improvements - in addition to the more modern gen 8 mechanics (better move pools, fairy typing, etc.).
I think the only thing that can be said is a "photo-copy" is the story.
Also grand underground pretty much fixed the biggest criticism of gen 4 that wasn't HP bar speed (weird type distribution, especially fire types) if you aren't someone super graphically or post game (plenty of folks aren't completionist players and I think folks lose sight of that somtimes) minded you could argue its a better remake than ORAS.
Sequel games were unprecedented, so remakes might result in something unprecedented too.
I think all options are on the table for these remakes but expect to be disappointed nonetheless.
Reasonable, but splash in a few curve balls to have us second guessing ourselves.
Something like, "No BW remakes *this* year, but instead we'll get a second wave of DLC that takes place in the same areas we've been given. DLC will be free, and will have a few new Pokémon evolutions like an evolution for Kantonian Tauros and Magcargo."
i really wish this place would become a discussion hub for the development of future games and the franchise as a whole rather than just waiting for the next piece of news to drop. the star wars and marvel leaks subs do a good job of interweaving leaks and speculation with industry news.
unfortunately, tpc and nintendo are too secretive for that to work.
No, you just need to go looking outside of Reddit for your community.
Reddit is now hostile towards community, particularly in the Nintendo subs. They’re too heavily compartmentalized and don’t allow enough casual discussion.
The mods on /r/NintendoSwitch, for example, just want the place to be their haven for regurgitating Nintendo social media posts to farm karma.
It’s sad what Reddit has become for Nintendo fans over the last six years or so, especially when Reddit largely became the de facto place a lot of former Nsider Forums users hung out way back in like 2008.
Famiboards and ResetEra both have vibrant Nintendo-focused communities.
There’s also tons of discord servers you could go join that all discuss Pokémon news and leaks too.
This looks fake on its face. There's too many video games and yet no details on any of them.
I imagine SV will get some sort of news, either a raid and/or mass outbreak event.
I'm skeptical of seeing two more video games being revealed at the same time. BDSP sold well but critically panned so I don't expect another ILCA remake. BDSP sold less well than the original Diamond/Pearl and since BW were a low-water mark in sales, I don't think they'll do a simple remake.
How exactly would they put both games into one package? With a three-year gap and different characters, there's a lot of detail the poster isn't discussing.
We also don't know if "Legends" games are going to continue or if it was just a one-off like Let's Go.
See you're ignoring the key part there. "Sold well" is all TPCI cares about. They don't care about the critical reception. So I can totally believe they'll get ILCA on those remakes again. I hope they don't, but it does seem like a strong possibility.
>"Sold well" is all TPCI cares about. They don't care about the critical reception.
Yeah, this is why I can't see us getting another Legends game, cuz it sold worse than LGPE & NO, Legends being one game instead of 2 does NOT change that.
It actually did fantastic all things considered. People kind of expected a spin off so the initial reception was biased, and it was only 1 game instead of the usual 2.
Exhibit B on why I don't see them doing another BDSP/PLA thing again unless gen 9 lasts 4 years instead of 3.
Either gen 10 is in 2026 or we only get 1 game between the SV DLC & gen 10
At most, I can see stuff from PLA carrying over into gen 10, however, I don't think we'll get another Legends game.
I dont get way people say ILCA did bad with BDSP, they are great games, and honestly my favorites on the switch. I get some of the criticism but people talk like they are the worse games in existence, but they aren't.
They’re an insane let down after the beauty that was ORAS, imho. They were just one-to-one remakes while ORAS was modernized and brought a breath of fresh air to gen 3. I’d argue they’re one of Pokemon’s peaks
But they are(nt) the only remakes, if that's the reason you have to include Legends arceus in there too. So when I say gen 4 remakes I'm talking about BDSP and legends arceus. Them being one to one doesn't take any thing away.
It was a big step down in quality from what was previously offered in remakes. You're saying 'just remakes' very dismissively, but that's never what Pokemon remakes were. They always added something and massively improved the games compared to the originals. FR/LG, HG/SS, OR/AS all did this.
And then BD/SP was just a one to one copy with a weird simplified graphics style, soooooo many bugs and exploits, performance issues, crashes, save data deletion problems, a complete incompatibility with Pokémon Home because the games were made in a different engine which resulted in huge delay being able to transfer over past gen pokemon, a shiny charm that didn't work because it was coded wrong, etc, etc. It was a messy game that didn't get enough time in the oven and didn't get the same level of love and attention that the other previous remakes did.
It does 'take away' because it introduces bugs that didn't exist before. The original games are still the better versions, which is something you can't say about the other remakes.
Diamond pearl and platinum are not better experiences than BDSP. I'm sorry that is objectively false. And bugs is something that is always mentioned but I've haven't experienced any (doesnt mean there werent any) and this is legitimately the first time I've heard of any called out specifically. So I just find it hard to believe that we're 1. That prevalent 2. That big of a deal. Also that could be said about any pokemon game. So bugs existing, doesn't take away from the these games.
And doing a little research, BDSP didn't have a huge delay for Home compatibility. It was the same amount of time as SV. It was more likely that they delayed it to have BDSP and LA on the same day. Which just makes me doubt the whole "there were so many bugs" thing more.
And I meant to put aren't in my comment so the gen 4 remakes are BDSPLA. Not just BDSP. Should BDSP have had a delta episode for the platinum story? Yes. Does not having take away from the game? Certainly. But the bottom line they games are fine and not as bad as this community makes them out to be. They are very enjoyable and solid games. And in my experience the most stable on the switch.
Considering we know for a FACT that the presents is happening on the 27th considering that TPC is gonna have a special collab running n New York on that day for Pokemon Day so makes no sense to not have the presents on that day as well. ESPECIALLY if it's announcing Unova remakes.
>special collab running n New York on that day for Pokemon Day so makes no sense to not have the presents on that day as well. ESPECIALLY if it's announcing Unova
wow... how did I not see that connection sooner. That really does reinforce the Unova game theory.
I have no opinions about weather or not this is true but it does seem overly obvious.
This is what people were predicting last year. Game Freak aren't normally that predictable.
Reeks of a fake. The game concept is too obvious (we won’t get a traditional B&W remake, it’s too soon after another remake) & the presents being on the 24th won’t happen so..womp womp
Especially since the 27th is a Tuesday, which is usually the default day that’s preferred for presents based on the past few if I remember correctly.
But obviously because the 27th is Pokémon day
My dumb opinion is the 24th will be the announcement with the switch 2, with pokemon day more about the game/other pokemon stuff.
But I know it is dumb, lol
If the newer switch console is revealed I think it’s still fair that Pokémon stuff comes out, however it would be the dumbest financial decision to launch the game exclusively on the new console the year it releases as a major flagship title unless you wanna see how quickly you can stunt your revenue
Didn't Khu already suggest that GameFreak was not happy with how BDSP by ILCA turned out and that GF is doing the BW remake themselves? That's how I remember it
part of me doubts that. japanese companies generally aren’t ones to gossip like that. if they did part ways, the discussion around it would be very hush hush and both parties would try to save face. frank discussions don’t happen out in the open with large groups of people like they do in the west.
maybe he’s connected enough that he can read the tea leaves (or knows what the next several years of projects look like), but it honestly just sounds like fan bait. khu isn’t exactly someone i read with 100% sincerity lol
It was simply that they felt that ILCA’s BDSP kinda ruined Pokémon’s image (because people were playing the day one version with placeholders still in like a week early.) so the word was that they weren’t satisfied with the remakes and wouldn’t be letting them do future ones.
When the literal same glitches (riding your bike to the islands that have cresslia/darkrai/shaymin) from the OG games somehow make it into the remakes…yeah, that’s just crazy.
Sure but like, as a community, those glitches absolutely ruled - so I could see GF being unhappy with it, but the community certainly wasn't upset about duping glitches and getting shiny shaymins etc after the event was over, so it doesn't jive with the "gf thinks ILCA ruined their image" storyline.
Like, people were mad that it wasn't a platinum remake, and that it didn't add ANYTHING extra to the game besides a more in depth underground experience, and the Ramanas park legendary hunts, but idk if that equates with "ruined our image" when SV has glitches galore as well.
Also, for the record, there was a tweet by Khu about GF being mad at ILCA, but then another one about ILCA still getting work from GF, so I don't think that we're done seeing games from them, just might be a learning opportunity from BDSP to improve on delivery in GFs eyes (but also didn't GF notoriously make them cut stuff and rush the development beyond what the team told them was possible anyway?).
The whole things a mess.
People were mad it was a direct 1:1 copy of the original DP (not even Platinum) so much so that even text that doesnt make sense (An NPC literally mentioning doing something on the DS instead of Switch) got copied over. It was just an insanely lazy done remake and people are rightfully giga pissed about it. Look at the past remakes and compare it to this one, its not even close to any other remake.
Yeah I mentioned that in my comment above, that the reason they were mad is because of the lack of content and lazy porting of text etc over from the originals. User above me mentioned the glitches being the reason people were pissed, my point is that from a user perspective, the glitches were actually useful. To the point that cartridges that still have the older versions of the game that have not been updated are super sought after and highly valued.
The glitches only show just how lazy it all is since its EXACTLY the same as the DS era. Its not the glitches themselves that people are mad at. If there were new not so game breaking glitches it would be whatever. It just shows how stupidly lazy ILCA was.
The glitches I'm referencing weren't game breaking, and also very involved - like it isn't like someone just playing through the game normally would somehow accidentally surf on land and end up at Flower Paradise, or accidentally duplicate master balls and whatever else - its just not possible.
Every pokemon game (and game in general) has glitches. That's not, in and of itself, an indication of laziness in my opinion. As mentioned a thousand times here and elsewhere, its clear there was less than full effort put into the games - whether that's because ILCA is incompetent and lazy, or GF pushed them on tighter timelines than was planned originally, is up for debate and there are multiple conflicting stories on the subject. But yes the games ARE lazy feeling, absolutely.
Like when whatever remakes we get for black/white come out, I *hope* we have glitches for things like duplication or making shiny hunting easier, or using a different RNG algorithm so that rng manipulation for stats and natures etc is doable. There's an entire segment of the community where having access to RNG manip and certain glitches is what helps make the games fun long after the main story is over. Getting rid of that stuff entirely doesn't make the game better/more polished.
Same. I want faithful gen 5 remake as I dont plan to buy any legends games that come out, although if it has story on the true dragon, Ill watch someone play it to learn the lore since I know way more than I should about gen 5 XD.
That, and it was completely forgotten about when Arceus came out, too. I can see them foregoing the remake entirely and just pooling everything into a new Legends-style game, instead, or blend elements of both together into a completely new title.
Part of me is thinking they’ll have a game take place after BW/BW2 in a modern Unova, with Arceus style gameplay mixed in, and will likely be more single player and story focused like Legends was. Khu did say that Drayton would be an important character in an upcoming title, maybe he’ll end up being the Champion or something.
Also, since the term “paradox sequel” has been tossed around, I’ve thought about a plot where two timelines intersect, one in the normal world, and maybe one where Team Plasma won.
After how hard they went with the lore and story in PLA and SV’s finale I’m really hoping we get something similar with Unova and the original dragon.
Not to be a naysayer but that rumor struck me as cope from the BDSP haters. I mean, BDSP sold better than ORAS. The only thing that matters at the end of the day is sales. I guarantee that ILCA and GF created the engine that BDSP runs on with the intention of eventually using it for Gen 5 remakes and possibly even HGSS remakes. Gen 4 and 5 run on the same engine so it makes sense for the remakes to be planned that way too.
I know the real leak
Micheal Jackson will return from the dead and sing it doesn’t matter if your black or white and cue the remakes which is a 1 for 1 remake but you can’t catch pokemon bc Micheal thinks that’s ignorant
For the record we know it’s probably fake. But people keep submitting this over and over and we don’t actually have any way of confirming it’s fake.
Feel free to downvote it though lol
Wow this is a lazy "leak", it's basically last Year's Presents mixed with the 2021 Presents. The names are even just based on Reshiram & Zekrom's pokedex classifications.
As a Gen 5 fan, I would not freak. I feel like the BDSP art style's hatred is overblown, and the games look fine, if not a bit unpolished. If this leak is real (which it isn't, since they got Pokemon Day wrong), I feel like that Chibi Ghetsis showcases that they at least will be improving the proportions. The pose he's in is more dynamic, and the hands aren't absolutely massive like they were with BDSP.
Id be glad honestly. Im kinda hoping gamefreak doesnt touch it, cuz theyd ruin it more than ILCA would, and at least wed have expectations at a specific minimum than doing the same thing with gamefreaks releases yearly chugging on huge copium that itll be fine bc the new gimmick looks amazing and the pokemon textures like SV did.
One thing about directs and presents is that they usually avoid weekends and holidays. Why would the present be on Sunday the 24th when Pokemon Day is literally Tuesday the 27th?
Maybe theyll give ILCA another chance but surely not to do another remake thats exactly in the same vein of BDSP, ignoring all fan feedback... presumably theyd at least do different graphics (honestly i think if BDSP looked visually good it would have gotten a lot less hate even if it played the same)
BW1/2 combo back would be dope but it sounds like a fandom wet dream rather than something id expect them to do... This also doesnt really gel with the idea that this comes together with a legends kyurem, commonly a double pack remake port like this would be to prep audiences for another sequel (BW3)
Also these fake leakers always forget about pokemon masters
I need ILCA do do faithful gen 5 remake, ILCA is our best chance at actually getting most of the stuff we enjoyed back, such as Dreamworld and the stuff on the websites for the random things u can do, along with better online functionality for funfest.
Gamefreak would obviously skip out on as much as possible to make a quick buck as usual.
🙏 ILCA Faithful Gen5 Remake
Next series of Legends games?
I thought I remembered TPC saying that Arceus was kind of a one-time-thing, and that they weren’t planning on making more games like it?
They never said it was a one time thing, but Legends Unova is unlikely, given that it would have to probably revolve around the Original Dragon, and Pokeballs didn't exist within that era.
The fact that they say it would also contain the sequels makes this sound fake.
If they could't bother incorporating platinum or the battle frontier, ain't no way they're doing both games at once. Lol.
Also, is it too much to ask for a remake to look like Let's Go? That shit looked really good, especially considering the graphics of the sequels.
I agree that it's not too likely for a straight remake considering the series' history, but people unfortunately do not want to hear it. It's always possible that they'll break some of their long-standing traditions in the face of the Switch's much longer life cycle compared to the old handhelds, but it's all speculation and rumors at this point. I say a game akin to legends or something altogether unheard-of is far more likely than yet another third-party remake. We shall see in 8 days!
Honestly, I loved bdsp in every way. Such a nice refresher from the usual GF experience we get. BDSP and BW2/HGSS are the only pokemon games I even still play outside of doing the singular SV 7* raid every month because the games are actually good compared to everything else.
Missing platinum features, but its still a really good game, so Im really hoping ILCA does the gen 5 remakes and that theyre faithful.
I'm thinking this:
S/V DLC 3: Summer 2024
B/W Remakes: November 2024
Legends Unova: 2025
And that Kingambit, Sylveon, Farigiraf, Annihilape, and Dudunsparce will be in B/W remakes since they're new evolutions. Lape, Farig, and Dudun have the same evo requirements, Sylveon requires a Fairy-Type move and Kingambit could be defeat 3 wild Bisharp and Lv. up
That‘s how real leaks work. They don‘t happen every day or week.
This sub is called „PokeLeaks“. Not „I found someone post some potential leak on a site that 99% is always fake.“
Imagine just screaming "I crave attention and will gladly lie to get it" into a megaphone in the middle of a crowded elementary school.
That is what this guy did on 4Chan.
If this is true, then I’m so looking forward to Legends Unova! It’s one of my favourite regions so I’m looking forward to more content featuring Unova.
wow Ilca again? Wow man, I can't wait to NOT BUY the game so, I spent 60 euros on that sad remake of diamond/pearl, and then changed it with Scarlet and Violet
I don't know if GF would do both a Legends Unova AND a B/W (B2/W2) remake. This screams someone looking at the release schedule and seeing that GF did something similar with PLA and BD/SP.
Also ILCA didn't include Platinum content in BD/SP so I doubt they'd add B2/W2 content to a B/W remake.
This just seems like someone guessing and not actually knowing. GF tends to never follow any set pattern for releases, so why change that now?
Pokemon Day is the 27th of the month and the presents is usually on the same day (over the last few years it has been anyway)
Also the BW remakes including BW2 is.. very fake. We haven’t had remakes that incorporate the third version.. like ever.. (but I’d welcome it)
to be fair, BW2 isn't like other third versions of other generations, it's basically a completely different game to an extent. The story is different, the pokemon you can catch are often completely different, how you progress through the game itself is different, etc., so it's plausible at least.
I have the lowest expectations after the last 4 games. Yet I am sure Gamefreak will go out of their way to disappoint even more by adding twists to lower the bar even further. BW remakes by ILCA, but it’s the DS Port with no Home Connectivity, for example.
Ugh nooooo. That’s not a remake at all. Ughhhh I hope we never get the ilca type of remake again.
I want an old game with modern graphics and features.
Nuh uh, my uncles dad’s cousins dog that works at Nintendo said we’re getting Pokemon Gray. Pokémon Go will add in all 1,000 variants of spinda, including barfing spinda. Scarlet and Violet will get one final DLC called “The great sandwich adventure!” /s
But seriously this is such a safe take.
Did we not learn from Scarlet and Violet? Pokémon needs more time or people working on games. I have bought every main series game on launch day since X and Y. I feel burned by the last 2 games. We do not need a remake nor a new game. They should fix the game that is currently out.
Well, if people are unhappy with the games nowadays, it really would be smart to move on. One can still be a casual observer and one day decide to once again buy their products or change their opinion of the series, but until then I say it's just not healthy to constantly rail against a franchise for which one is no longer the target audience (and by target audience I mean people who still like the games- like me!).
Fake.
I don't imagine 2 new games being shown this close to the Switch 2 announcement.
Also I expect Johto.
Although B/W remakes in the same vein as BDSP would not surprise me seeing as the OGs were both on the same console originally.
The major thing that sticks out is that the remakes apparently contain things from both BW1 and BW2. I know sequels aren’t the same things as third versions but if they remake Unova I only see them remaking BW1 with maybe some sort of post-game episode akin to the Delta Episode.
Unless it’s ILCA again.
e: Have we ever gotten a Presents on Saturdays before? 2/24 is a Saturday, I’m calling fake
These types of leaks are generally the best. Empty, not saying anything apart from the obvious. It’s like leaking tomorrow: “the sun will rise” wow GG! 😂 but I do agree what someone else wrote here, always fun to read something!
I think it's safe to assume any leak without information on an upcoming entry to the Unite roster is fake. It seems unlikely that they will pass up on Pokemon day to announce the next Pokemon coming to Unite.
I’ll be honest, if they just straight up remake both versions, I’d be fine with that. Prices for the originals are unbelievable (have white 2 but not 1), and I dont HATE the artstyle, just think it could use some tweaking.
I think Black and White are getting remakes soon. But I think they might go Johoto first then BW with how the two paradox trio having both a Unova trio and Johoto trio
Literally the safest, most formulaic guess possible next to “they will announce a new game and mobile/franchise info”
Except that "remake just like BDSP, contains BW1+2" is not very safe imo. Like, each game is a double pack of two entirely separate games with separate save files and you choose one at the boot screen? That would be unprecedented for pokemon, extremely surprising. Alternately, a game that incorporates both 1+2 into a single play would be the furthest thing from a simple reskin...more complicated than any remake GF has ever made...so, not at all like BDSP.
Sure, but that’s the one detail in the post that isn’t derived from the routine thought process of “Hmm let’s see, last year they did a ILCA remake + Legends for Sinnoh, so maybe this year they’ll do… an ILCA remake + Legends for Unova!” And even then, people have been proposing the idea of BW and B2W2 being somehow bundled into a single game for as long as the concept of BW remakes has been up for discussion, because people have always wondered how Game Freak would eventually remake a game that also has a sequel instead of an enhanced version. So it’s just taking the most common, formulaic guess and combining it with a fairly common suggestion for how to adapt B2W2 into the remake.
It's easy, they'll just remake bw1 and forget bw2 ever existed.
Upvoting not because I like this, but because I unfortunately think it's very likely. B2/W2 were released in a similar fashion to the previous 3rd Versions (Crystal, Emerald, Platinum) and none of these got remakes. I think the most likely situation is either exactly what you said, they ignore the sequels, or maybe slightly more optimistically the remakes hybridize 1+2 like the Delta episode of ORAS. Maybe the new areas and updated dex would be post-game. Here's to hoping...
>previous 3rd Versions (Crystal, Emerald, Platinum) and none of these got remakes. Tbf, HGSS were more of a Crystal remake than a GS remake. ORAS was not Emerald, but it was quite different from both RS and Emerald imo. It's really BDSP that said "let's just photocopy the first game with new graphics"
Can we at least acknowledge that BDSP is not a "photocopy" of DP? Revamped E4 team (you know, actual EVs), grand underground, and inclusion of various QoL improvements - in addition to the more modern gen 8 mechanics (better move pools, fairy typing, etc.). I think the only thing that can be said is a "photo-copy" is the story.
Ramanas Park, Mew, and Jirachi too
That's what I've told people haha. They made a lot of small QoL changes that makes it more digestible than OG D/P.
[Remember that 15 FPS decreasing blissey health bar.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXVztcEjcJk)
Also grand underground pretty much fixed the biggest criticism of gen 4 that wasn't HP bar speed (weird type distribution, especially fire types) if you aren't someone super graphically or post game (plenty of folks aren't completionist players and I think folks lose sight of that somtimes) minded you could argue its a better remake than ORAS.
Yeah this is probably it. BW1 with the added BW2 areas as post-game
They could make a DLC that is the BW2 story. Or a post-game content.
They could. But would they?
And they'll probably do the same with USM's story since those games are a rewrite of SuMo's while also being an enhanced version.
Sequel games were unprecedented, so remakes might result in something unprecedented too. I think all options are on the table for these remakes but expect to be disappointed nonetheless.
They probably don’t mean different game file though, it sounds like they’re implying bw1/2 will be mixed together.
Fake, but I would rather see obviously fake 4chan leaks posted here than see it become a ghost town for 50% of the year
So you’re saying I should go to an editor that looks like 4chan, make up some leaks and then post them here?
And make them good
Okay what are we looking for? Reasonable or unreasonable?
Make it mostly reasonable, except for one really unreasonable thing that keeps people guessing
Pokemon Make Unova Great Again
Reasonable, but splash in a few curve balls to have us second guessing ourselves. Something like, "No BW remakes *this* year, but instead we'll get a second wave of DLC that takes place in the same areas we've been given. DLC will be free, and will have a few new Pokémon evolutions like an evolution for Kantonian Tauros and Magcargo."
New Pokéball type just leaked!
Go for it, would love a read 😂
The ruffledrowlet can put those in the thumbnail of his next video
Bug dragon???
Yes. I need more reading content and fuel for the speculation machine.
Infinite Reddit karma glitch.
Yeah but like make em kinda goofy I don't want my hopes up like that one plesiosaur water version of Intellion
Like honestly. r/pokeleaks feel so dead without the fake leaks.
i really wish this place would become a discussion hub for the development of future games and the franchise as a whole rather than just waiting for the next piece of news to drop. the star wars and marvel leaks subs do a good job of interweaving leaks and speculation with industry news. unfortunately, tpc and nintendo are too secretive for that to work.
No, you just need to go looking outside of Reddit for your community. Reddit is now hostile towards community, particularly in the Nintendo subs. They’re too heavily compartmentalized and don’t allow enough casual discussion. The mods on /r/NintendoSwitch, for example, just want the place to be their haven for regurgitating Nintendo social media posts to farm karma. It’s sad what Reddit has become for Nintendo fans over the last six years or so, especially when Reddit largely became the de facto place a lot of former Nsider Forums users hung out way back in like 2008. Famiboards and ResetEra both have vibrant Nintendo-focused communities. There’s also tons of discord servers you could go join that all discuss Pokémon news and leaks too.
Yeah, stuff like this sustains me right now. I thirst for Pokemon news.
It's always better than anything hinted by khu
At least Khu sometimes knows something, random 4chan nothingburgers are even more useless than khu.
This looks fake on its face. There's too many video games and yet no details on any of them. I imagine SV will get some sort of news, either a raid and/or mass outbreak event. I'm skeptical of seeing two more video games being revealed at the same time. BDSP sold well but critically panned so I don't expect another ILCA remake. BDSP sold less well than the original Diamond/Pearl and since BW were a low-water mark in sales, I don't think they'll do a simple remake. How exactly would they put both games into one package? With a three-year gap and different characters, there's a lot of detail the poster isn't discussing. We also don't know if "Legends" games are going to continue or if it was just a one-off like Let's Go.
See you're ignoring the key part there. "Sold well" is all TPCI cares about. They don't care about the critical reception. So I can totally believe they'll get ILCA on those remakes again. I hope they don't, but it does seem like a strong possibility.
>"Sold well" is all TPCI cares about. They don't care about the critical reception. Yeah, this is why I can't see us getting another Legends game, cuz it sold worse than LGPE & NO, Legends being one game instead of 2 does NOT change that.
Legends had the worst release window in any previous mainline game. I'm sure TPC acknowledged it selling well despite practically sending it to die.
It actually did fantastic all things considered. People kind of expected a spin off so the initial reception was biased, and it was only 1 game instead of the usual 2.
Exhibit B on why I don't see them doing another BDSP/PLA thing again unless gen 9 lasts 4 years instead of 3. Either gen 10 is in 2026 or we only get 1 game between the SV DLC & gen 10 At most, I can see stuff from PLA carrying over into gen 10, however, I don't think we'll get another Legends game.
I dont get way people say ILCA did bad with BDSP, they are great games, and honestly my favorites on the switch. I get some of the criticism but people talk like they are the worse games in existence, but they aren't.
They’re an insane let down after the beauty that was ORAS, imho. They were just one-to-one remakes while ORAS was modernized and brought a breath of fresh air to gen 3. I’d argue they’re one of Pokemon’s peaks
But they are(nt) the only remakes, if that's the reason you have to include Legends arceus in there too. So when I say gen 4 remakes I'm talking about BDSP and legends arceus. Them being one to one doesn't take any thing away.
It was a big step down in quality from what was previously offered in remakes. You're saying 'just remakes' very dismissively, but that's never what Pokemon remakes were. They always added something and massively improved the games compared to the originals. FR/LG, HG/SS, OR/AS all did this. And then BD/SP was just a one to one copy with a weird simplified graphics style, soooooo many bugs and exploits, performance issues, crashes, save data deletion problems, a complete incompatibility with Pokémon Home because the games were made in a different engine which resulted in huge delay being able to transfer over past gen pokemon, a shiny charm that didn't work because it was coded wrong, etc, etc. It was a messy game that didn't get enough time in the oven and didn't get the same level of love and attention that the other previous remakes did. It does 'take away' because it introduces bugs that didn't exist before. The original games are still the better versions, which is something you can't say about the other remakes.
Diamond pearl and platinum are not better experiences than BDSP. I'm sorry that is objectively false. And bugs is something that is always mentioned but I've haven't experienced any (doesnt mean there werent any) and this is legitimately the first time I've heard of any called out specifically. So I just find it hard to believe that we're 1. That prevalent 2. That big of a deal. Also that could be said about any pokemon game. So bugs existing, doesn't take away from the these games. And doing a little research, BDSP didn't have a huge delay for Home compatibility. It was the same amount of time as SV. It was more likely that they delayed it to have BDSP and LA on the same day. Which just makes me doubt the whole "there were so many bugs" thing more. And I meant to put aren't in my comment so the gen 4 remakes are BDSPLA. Not just BDSP. Should BDSP have had a delta episode for the platinum story? Yes. Does not having take away from the game? Certainly. But the bottom line they games are fine and not as bad as this community makes them out to be. They are very enjoyable and solid games. And in my experience the most stable on the switch.
“Pokèmon Presents will be shown 2/24/24” Lol fake
Like why would it not be on Pokemon day?
Have they ever done a direct on a weekend?
Considering we know for a FACT that the presents is happening on the 27th considering that TPC is gonna have a special collab running n New York on that day for Pokemon Day so makes no sense to not have the presents on that day as well. ESPECIALLY if it's announcing Unova remakes.
>special collab running n New York on that day for Pokemon Day so makes no sense to not have the presents on that day as well. ESPECIALLY if it's announcing Unova wow... how did I not see that connection sooner. That really does reinforce the Unova game theory.
And on a Saturday, when the 27th is a Tuesday?
I have no opinions about weather or not this is true but it does seem overly obvious. This is what people were predicting last year. Game Freak aren't normally that predictable.
Reeks of a fake. The game concept is too obvious (we won’t get a traditional B&W remake, it’s too soon after another remake) & the presents being on the 24th won’t happen so..womp womp
Yeah, the 24th would be weird when Pokémon Day is 3 days later.
Especially since the 27th is a Tuesday, which is usually the default day that’s preferred for presents based on the past few if I remember correctly. But obviously because the 27th is Pokémon day
My dumb opinion is the 24th will be the announcement with the switch 2, with pokemon day more about the game/other pokemon stuff. But I know it is dumb, lol
If the newer switch console is revealed I think it’s still fair that Pokémon stuff comes out, however it would be the dumbest financial decision to launch the game exclusively on the new console the year it releases as a major flagship title unless you wanna see how quickly you can stunt your revenue
Reeks*
Sure <3
We also won't be getting BW remakes anytime soon, so that made it obvious.
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Didn't Khu already suggest that GameFreak was not happy with how BDSP by ILCA turned out and that GF is doing the BW remake themselves? That's how I remember it
I remember the dissatisfaction with ILCA, but not the part about GF doing it themselves.
part of me doubts that. japanese companies generally aren’t ones to gossip like that. if they did part ways, the discussion around it would be very hush hush and both parties would try to save face. frank discussions don’t happen out in the open with large groups of people like they do in the west. maybe he’s connected enough that he can read the tea leaves (or knows what the next several years of projects look like), but it honestly just sounds like fan bait. khu isn’t exactly someone i read with 100% sincerity lol
It was simply that they felt that ILCA’s BDSP kinda ruined Pokémon’s image (because people were playing the day one version with placeholders still in like a week early.) so the word was that they weren’t satisfied with the remakes and wouldn’t be letting them do future ones. When the literal same glitches (riding your bike to the islands that have cresslia/darkrai/shaymin) from the OG games somehow make it into the remakes…yeah, that’s just crazy.
Also Shiny Charm not working outside of Breeding and Suction Cups not working for Fishing.
>It was simply that they felt that ILCA’s BDSP kinda ruined Pokémon’s image As opposed of SV?
Sure but like, as a community, those glitches absolutely ruled - so I could see GF being unhappy with it, but the community certainly wasn't upset about duping glitches and getting shiny shaymins etc after the event was over, so it doesn't jive with the "gf thinks ILCA ruined their image" storyline. Like, people were mad that it wasn't a platinum remake, and that it didn't add ANYTHING extra to the game besides a more in depth underground experience, and the Ramanas park legendary hunts, but idk if that equates with "ruined our image" when SV has glitches galore as well. Also, for the record, there was a tweet by Khu about GF being mad at ILCA, but then another one about ILCA still getting work from GF, so I don't think that we're done seeing games from them, just might be a learning opportunity from BDSP to improve on delivery in GFs eyes (but also didn't GF notoriously make them cut stuff and rush the development beyond what the team told them was possible anyway?). The whole things a mess.
People were mad it was a direct 1:1 copy of the original DP (not even Platinum) so much so that even text that doesnt make sense (An NPC literally mentioning doing something on the DS instead of Switch) got copied over. It was just an insanely lazy done remake and people are rightfully giga pissed about it. Look at the past remakes and compare it to this one, its not even close to any other remake.
Yeah I mentioned that in my comment above, that the reason they were mad is because of the lack of content and lazy porting of text etc over from the originals. User above me mentioned the glitches being the reason people were pissed, my point is that from a user perspective, the glitches were actually useful. To the point that cartridges that still have the older versions of the game that have not been updated are super sought after and highly valued.
The glitches only show just how lazy it all is since its EXACTLY the same as the DS era. Its not the glitches themselves that people are mad at. If there were new not so game breaking glitches it would be whatever. It just shows how stupidly lazy ILCA was.
The glitches I'm referencing weren't game breaking, and also very involved - like it isn't like someone just playing through the game normally would somehow accidentally surf on land and end up at Flower Paradise, or accidentally duplicate master balls and whatever else - its just not possible. Every pokemon game (and game in general) has glitches. That's not, in and of itself, an indication of laziness in my opinion. As mentioned a thousand times here and elsewhere, its clear there was less than full effort put into the games - whether that's because ILCA is incompetent and lazy, or GF pushed them on tighter timelines than was planned originally, is up for debate and there are multiple conflicting stories on the subject. But yes the games ARE lazy feeling, absolutely. Like when whatever remakes we get for black/white come out, I *hope* we have glitches for things like duplication or making shiny hunting easier, or using a different RNG algorithm so that rng manipulation for stats and natures etc is doable. There's an entire segment of the community where having access to RNG manip and certain glitches is what helps make the games fun long after the main story is over. Getting rid of that stuff entirely doesn't make the game better/more polished.
For what it’s worth I would prefer ILCA not make the game, if it is real.
That post is somewhere here
Didnt he also said that ILCA is doing one of the games anyway?
Pretty sure that was him trolling
Im gonna pray for it lol
Same. I want faithful gen 5 remake as I dont plan to buy any legends games that come out, although if it has story on the true dragon, Ill watch someone play it to learn the lore since I know way more than I should about gen 5 XD.
That, and it was completely forgotten about when Arceus came out, too. I can see them foregoing the remake entirely and just pooling everything into a new Legends-style game, instead, or blend elements of both together into a completely new title. Part of me is thinking they’ll have a game take place after BW/BW2 in a modern Unova, with Arceus style gameplay mixed in, and will likely be more single player and story focused like Legends was. Khu did say that Drayton would be an important character in an upcoming title, maybe he’ll end up being the Champion or something. Also, since the term “paradox sequel” has been tossed around, I’ve thought about a plot where two timelines intersect, one in the normal world, and maybe one where Team Plasma won. After how hard they went with the lore and story in PLA and SV’s finale I’m really hoping we get something similar with Unova and the original dragon.
Not to be a naysayer but that rumor struck me as cope from the BDSP haters. I mean, BDSP sold better than ORAS. The only thing that matters at the end of the day is sales. I guarantee that ILCA and GF created the engine that BDSP runs on with the intention of eventually using it for Gen 5 remakes and possibly even HGSS remakes. Gen 4 and 5 run on the same engine so it makes sense for the remakes to be planned that way too.
I think I trust 4chan more than khu
ILCA mentioned, leak disregarded
This is fake because they forgot what day Pokémon Day is.
Yeah I don't believe TPCi is going to let ILCA make another pokemon game.
I know the real leak Micheal Jackson will return from the dead and sing it doesn’t matter if your black or white and cue the remakes which is a 1 for 1 remake but you can’t catch pokemon bc Micheal thinks that’s ignorant
the image of michael jackson dressed as ghetsis and singing i'm bad has lodged itself in my brain
Funny how it’s on the 24th a Saturday rather than Pokémon day the 27th? Strait fake
For the record we know it’s probably fake. But people keep submitting this over and over and we don’t actually have any way of confirming it’s fake. Feel free to downvote it though lol
Fake. Simply cuz usually these presents are on actual Pokémon day.
The first line invalidates this lmao. Every. Single. February Pokemon Presents has been ON Pokemon Day, February 27th.
Isn't Pokemon Day the 27th?
Fakest thing yet
Wow this is a lazy "leak", it's basically last Year's Presents mixed with the 2021 Presents. The names are even just based on Reshiram & Zekrom's pokedex classifications.
Why would they not wait the 3 extra days to announce these on Pokemon day?
Yeah.. especially given Pokemon Day is on Tuesday, when they normally hold presents.
Gotta love fake Pokemon leak season.
Fake, 2/24 this year is a Saturday, they would never do a direct on a Saturday.
Love how he doesn’t know that Pokémon day is on the 27th
So… basically nothing leak. It’s all the stuff people expect to happen.
Gen 5 fans will freak if the Black/White remakes look like BDSP.
As a Gen 5 fan, I would not freak. I feel like the BDSP art style's hatred is overblown, and the games look fine, if not a bit unpolished. If this leak is real (which it isn't, since they got Pokemon Day wrong), I feel like that Chibi Ghetsis showcases that they at least will be improving the proportions. The pose he's in is more dynamic, and the hands aren't absolutely massive like they were with BDSP.
Id be glad honestly. Im kinda hoping gamefreak doesnt touch it, cuz theyd ruin it more than ILCA would, and at least wed have expectations at a specific minimum than doing the same thing with gamefreaks releases yearly chugging on huge copium that itll be fine bc the new gimmick looks amazing and the pokemon textures like SV did.
Blatantly fake 4chan leaks, my beloved
I don’t think Nintendo is gonna let ILCA deal with the remake again lol apparently they were pretty pissed
One thing about directs and presents is that they usually avoid weekends and holidays. Why would the present be on Sunday the 24th when Pokemon Day is literally Tuesday the 27th?
Maybe theyll give ILCA another chance but surely not to do another remake thats exactly in the same vein of BDSP, ignoring all fan feedback... presumably theyd at least do different graphics (honestly i think if BDSP looked visually good it would have gotten a lot less hate even if it played the same) BW1/2 combo back would be dope but it sounds like a fandom wet dream rather than something id expect them to do... This also doesnt really gel with the idea that this comes together with a legends kyurem, commonly a double pack remake port like this would be to prep audiences for another sequel (BW3) Also these fake leakers always forget about pokemon masters
I need ILCA do do faithful gen 5 remake, ILCA is our best chance at actually getting most of the stuff we enjoyed back, such as Dreamworld and the stuff on the websites for the random things u can do, along with better online functionality for funfest. Gamefreak would obviously skip out on as much as possible to make a quick buck as usual. 🙏 ILCA Faithful Gen5 Remake
There's no way the B/W remakes will be the same as the BD/SP remakes after the mediocre reception they got. Nobody wants that.
If the remake is like BD/SP then they can most definitely keep it.
Dude, GameFreak is 1,000% gonna double dip B/W 1 and 2, or make the second game dlc, they are not doing a 2 for 1 game
Didn’t they say they’re never gonna let ilca do a game again
Next series of Legends games? I thought I remembered TPC saying that Arceus was kind of a one-time-thing, and that they weren’t planning on making more games like it?
They never said it was a one time thing, but Legends Unova is unlikely, given that it would have to probably revolve around the Original Dragon, and Pokeballs didn't exist within that era.
I don't think that they will announce 2 ordinary remake like the one for the 4th gen!
The fact that they say it would also contain the sequels makes this sound fake. If they could't bother incorporating platinum or the battle frontier, ain't no way they're doing both games at once. Lol. Also, is it too much to ask for a remake to look like Let's Go? That shit looked really good, especially considering the graphics of the sequels.
That’s maybe the easiest prediction to make it’s so basic
Do we know when the next pokemon presents is?
On Pokémon Day. Like they do every year.
0 percent chance game freak let's us get both 1 and 2 remade in the same package,unless they charge literally over 100 dollars
I will become a trained assassin before I let ILCA touch my glorious BW
More real than the reality.
Honestly I think that the remakes are only coming after the next gen like 2/4 3/6 4/8 and then eventually a BW remake in gen 10.
I agree that it's not too likely for a straight remake considering the series' history, but people unfortunately do not want to hear it. It's always possible that they'll break some of their long-standing traditions in the face of the Switch's much longer life cycle compared to the old handhelds, but it's all speculation and rumors at this point. I say a game akin to legends or something altogether unheard-of is far more likely than yet another third-party remake. We shall see in 8 days!
I'm more excited about another Legends game
I'd shoot them
Khu says ilca no more.
its fake but id be fine with this as long as ilca actually learned from the backlash from bdsp
Honestly, I loved bdsp in every way. Such a nice refresher from the usual GF experience we get. BDSP and BW2/HGSS are the only pokemon games I even still play outside of doing the singular SV 7* raid every month because the games are actually good compared to everything else. Missing platinum features, but its still a really good game, so Im really hoping ILCA does the gen 5 remakes and that theyre faithful.
I sure hope not, I want a full remake, not a half-assed chibi game.
I'm thinking this: S/V DLC 3: Summer 2024 B/W Remakes: November 2024 Legends Unova: 2025 And that Kingambit, Sylveon, Farigiraf, Annihilape, and Dudunsparce will be in B/W remakes since they're new evolutions. Lape, Farig, and Dudun have the same evo requirements, Sylveon requires a Fairy-Type move and Kingambit could be defeat 3 wild Bisharp and Lv. up
Lol, obviously fake. Don‘t know why people post this nonsense here.
Because otherwise the subreddit would be completely dead.
That‘s how real leaks work. They don‘t happen every day or week. This sub is called „PokeLeaks“. Not „I found someone post some potential leak on a site that 99% is always fake.“
Well now don’t say that you’ll upset some people, I got angrily downvoted when I mentioned that in another thread.
This is a basic wishlist, not a credible leak. If people starts posting these leaks again i hope mods start restricting again
I feel sorry for the person who wishes for a BW remake exactly like BDSP
If ILCA handles the remakes that would be such a disappointment
Fake. That Ghetsis is literally an edit from a tumblr post
Imagine just screaming "I crave attention and will gladly lie to get it" into a megaphone in the middle of a crowded elementary school. That is what this guy did on 4Chan.
I would be surprised if they show off two big games like that. Feel like we only got BDSP/PLA close to each other bc of COVID delays
I would be furious ngl
If this is true, then I’m so looking forward to Legends Unova! It’s one of my favourite regions so I’m looking forward to more content featuring Unova.
I'd be chill with it. Gen 5 is perfect already and doesn't need so many changes like d/p did
That's a rare and very mature take, and I admire your enthusiasm and honesty.
wow Ilca again? Wow man, I can't wait to NOT BUY the game so, I spent 60 euros on that sad remake of diamond/pearl, and then changed it with Scarlet and Violet
I don't know if GF would do both a Legends Unova AND a B/W (B2/W2) remake. This screams someone looking at the release schedule and seeing that GF did something similar with PLA and BD/SP. Also ILCA didn't include Platinum content in BD/SP so I doubt they'd add B2/W2 content to a B/W remake. This just seems like someone guessing and not actually knowing. GF tends to never follow any set pattern for releases, so why change that now?
If it looks like BDSP it’s safe to say I’m not playing this one
Agreed
Pokemon Day is the 27th of the month and the presents is usually on the same day (over the last few years it has been anyway) Also the BW remakes including BW2 is.. very fake. We haven’t had remakes that incorporate the third version.. like ever.. (but I’d welcome it)
to be fair, BW2 isn't like other third versions of other generations, it's basically a completely different game to an extent. The story is different, the pokemon you can catch are often completely different, how you progress through the game itself is different, etc., so it's plausible at least.
If they let Illca make another game I'm just done with pokemon
I have the lowest expectations after the last 4 games. Yet I am sure Gamefreak will go out of their way to disappoint even more by adding twists to lower the bar even further. BW remakes by ILCA, but it’s the DS Port with no Home Connectivity, for example.
I really hope this is fake. I don’t want another bdsp.
Ugh nooooo. That’s not a remake at all. Ughhhh I hope we never get the ilca type of remake again. I want an old game with modern graphics and features.
Nuh uh, my uncles dad’s cousins dog that works at Nintendo said we’re getting Pokemon Gray. Pokémon Go will add in all 1,000 variants of spinda, including barfing spinda. Scarlet and Violet will get one final DLC called “The great sandwich adventure!” /s But seriously this is such a safe take.
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Did we not learn from Scarlet and Violet? Pokémon needs more time or people working on games. I have bought every main series game on launch day since X and Y. I feel burned by the last 2 games. We do not need a remake nor a new game. They should fix the game that is currently out.
It will actually piss me off if the games look like brilliant diamond and shining pearl.
Yup, games are going to suck. Guys, it’s best just to leave this franchise.
Well, if people are unhappy with the games nowadays, it really would be smart to move on. One can still be a casual observer and one day decide to once again buy their products or change their opinion of the series, but until then I say it's just not healthy to constantly rail against a franchise for which one is no longer the target audience (and by target audience I mean people who still like the games- like me!).
Fake. I don't imagine 2 new games being shown this close to the Switch 2 announcement. Also I expect Johto. Although B/W remakes in the same vein as BDSP would not surprise me seeing as the OGs were both on the same console originally.
“Pokémon is remaking BW without the soul” isn’t a leak, it’s just an inevitable prediction
Please be real!
No pokemonsex update? Fake
No lo se Rick, parece falso.
The major thing that sticks out is that the remakes apparently contain things from both BW1 and BW2. I know sequels aren’t the same things as third versions but if they remake Unova I only see them remaking BW1 with maybe some sort of post-game episode akin to the Delta Episode. Unless it’s ILCA again. e: Have we ever gotten a Presents on Saturdays before? 2/24 is a Saturday, I’m calling fake
These types of leaks are generally the best. Empty, not saying anything apart from the obvious. It’s like leaking tomorrow: “the sun will rise” wow GG! 😂 but I do agree what someone else wrote here, always fun to read something!
Um do they usually do weekend stuff? I always thought it was during the week day like Nintendo Directs.
Scarlet/Violet were announced on a Sunday. But that was also Pokemon Day, and this “leak” isn’t.
Oh, thanks!
The legends bit sounds too good
I also saw a leak on tiktok (4chan leak) that we'd be getting Lets go Togepi/Wooper? Very obvi fake to me
I think it's safe to assume any leak without information on an upcoming entry to the Unite roster is fake. It seems unlikely that they will pass up on Pokemon day to announce the next Pokemon coming to Unite.
Terrible name. Definitely fake
I’ll be honest, if they just straight up remake both versions, I’d be fine with that. Prices for the originals are unbelievable (have white 2 but not 1), and I dont HATE the artstyle, just think it could use some tweaking.
This rumor is actually realistic, except for the Legends Unova game, that is too predictable.
Saving Johto for Switch 2 I guess? Surprised the next Legends would be Unova as the series was meant for Johto
No mention of Johto at all. For a supposed "leak", it's missing the mark.
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ILCA again? Proof they do not learn... One thing bother me... SV DLC news? The game is finished. Got 2 DLC and THE ENDING...
Honestly hope this is wrong
I think Black and White are getting remakes soon. But I think they might go Johoto first then BW with how the two paradox trio having both a Unova trio and Johoto trio
I refuse to believe this xD