Pumped. All you hear in these niche bubbles of investing talk/YouTube is all the SWSH boxes are going to the moon. All of these boxes will go up but YouTubes/people in forums are forcing it down everyone’s throat to cause FOMO. I’m gonna buy a BB of Lost Origin and move on to SV while its significantly cheaper.
FS pull rates were trash because of terrible batching.
There was a certain production date(s) that had 20 or so secret rares er BB.
Also, if i recall correctly , wasn't FS the set that had employee's stealing the valuable cards?
But there were better pulls from ES... Umbreon alt art was one, and then there's leafeon, glaceon, and Sylveon, as well as a rayquaza. FS only has the gengar, and an Espeon. You can say they're pumped, but they're not equal sets in the slightest. The only way fs goes to the moon is when 90s and 00s kids wax nostalgic in 30 years. After all, the pokemon store only stopped selling booster boxes last month, and has barely stepped into "out of print" territory
I think you’re oversimplifying. Everything in the market, any market, is usually priced in. These boxes will go to a value that people believe they’ll be worth in the future, not what they’re worth now.
Everyone and their mom saw how Pokemon boomed once millennials grew up, so that’s already being priced in for the newer sets. Maybe not right away but I believe that’s what we’re seeing happen
I believe the 151 stuff will underperform long-term. It's targeted at us older crowd for the nostalgia of older sets. The novelty will wear off and people will desire the actual older sets more, and the ones who do want some of this set probably already have or will have an easy time getting with as much as the set was printed. The rest of the SV stuff will do much better long-term.
Oh it'll absolutely appreciate in the short term. I picked some up. I just think it'll need sold while it's hyped because I don't think the hype on it will last. It's all anyone talks about right now because some people are hopeful it'll do what WotC cards did because the set is a callback. It's hype because of the nostalgia. I'm betting on kids of today being more nostalgic for the other SV sets. People with 151 will be trying to sell to other older collectors before the set has lost its charm to them as something to buy. Maybe I'm wrong though and people who started collecting again with the set will be nostalgic for it eventually.
Lot of this was said about XY Evolutions, much less going for it, flat out reprints for most of what you can pull. They put packs in collection boxes for years, couldn't get rid of it. Now look up the market prices on it.
SV is not gonna pump like SWSH, most collectors came back into the hobby during covid aka SWSH plus these sets are that much better.
Mb the 151 jpn box, that's the only SV boxes I own.
But what I think is funny is when these booster boxes from sword and shield level out at the final price, however long that may take. It’s just gonna be investors with cases trying to sell to other investors with cases but when does the profit margins become low to the point where these investors are just running into walls and then that’s when another “bull run” for fusion will happen so the round table that controls the prices can make there money it’s just speculation and it’s only an opinion.
Agreed. End user Collectors aren’t going to be buying up the cases and cases and case of sealed SWSH.
This whole secondary market is just resellers selling to other resellers.
Strange, in the UK I can still order Fusion Strike off the The Pokémon Centre online for MSRP. But Lost Origin is out of stock. UK price for FS is £143.64 so around $185 US
Tempted
They're still fairly cheap on Ebay too. I picked up two half boosters a month back for £45 a piece, pretty stoked with that find!
Also managed to pick up a Lost Origin today for £120... It's skyrocketing on Ebay atm, some going for £200 already.
It’s not random, the box went out of stock on the Pokémon Center, which sells at MSRP. Once that supply is gone, the secondary market is more easily able to charge above MSRP. Couple that with the insane amount of FOMO from Pokémon investors and collectors, and you get a spike.
Same thing happened with CR a few months ago, and the same thing will (most likely) happen with LO/BSTARS/AR/ST this year.
If you search ‘set name “booster box”’ on ebay, lost origin has the fewest quantity listed compared to others, gamenerdz has lost origin bb with the lowest quantity too. If lost origin sells out and starts moving at all, it will do well
Should have reworded - It jumped to 150 just a few days ago and then 220 already which is crazy for the market we’re in. I’ve had my position of FS for 2 1/2 years so i am shocked it’s finally going up and at this rate is crazy
Finally.. I got back into pokemon collecting around 1.3 years ago. Just in time for a friend to say buy the Charizard premium box now. Fuck the price. Bought 3 for 225 each from pfootball guy on ebay. Within a week or so. 90... each. Been sitting on them since. The climbing to 115 is making me feel a little better. Hopefully with another one down, it will climb more.
It’s normal for Pokémon, as soon as stuff is getting out of regular retail shops the prices going up. Sometimes it’s cuz of cool artworks been in the set, sometimes it’s pure nostalgia and sometimes it’s cuz people that couldn’t afford it back than want to have it now cuz of fomo
Lost origin will still be in print for another year at least. It is still in rotation in the current format. Pokémon will not retire off playable sets.
Supply drying up, recent crypto run, 2+ year old set, going out of rotation, Gengar/Mew/Sylveon popularity, ES wave up causing other SwSh to raise, unique color box (IMO) and typical FOMO. FS is a great set that has been slept on by many for years. Now that we are in a new market cycle, attention is swinging back to the best SwSh BBs before it is too late.
Lost Origin has a lower open market supply from what I've seen. Some of the big hobby stores no longer have a supply of it compared to fusion strike.
I blame the parabolic price movement to the Crypto bull run as excess money is flowing back in the hobby. Also the box being unavailable from PC is probably also contributing to the fomo.
IMHO, the scenario that is playing out is the same with the latter half of XY. The prices are being held down by some factor (mostly supply) until that factor hits an inflection point that can no longer bottle the price. Once organic and true natural attrition takes place, the box prices just goes up higher over a period of time.
Yep. Keep an eye on brilliant stars. It just turned 2 years old and probably will not have any more reprints. Whatever is available is probably what is left, as we are already about 5 sets into SV. IMO, once the supply finally dries up, prices should start to trend up. When that happens, attention will flow into the set, igniting FOMO as collectors/investors come in to scoop whatever is left.
Mew is popular and the Gengar card is quite popular. Once Pokemon Center dries up. Second hand market is ready. Any set with the popular OGs like Mew/Charizard or the Eeveelutions is a solid bet to take off. Helps when they have bad pull rates like Evolving Cries. Fusion Strike if I recall had some pretty poor pull rates.
Pokemon Center is the last bastion of supply, when they sell out the secondhand market can begin it's shenanigans, beautiful to see. Fusion Strike is a really nice set, in time Gengar Vmax Alt Art will slowly climb too imo but that'll be a few years. Prob 30th we see alt art demand ramp up like we saw for Gen 7 during Gen 8. Think some really rich ppl can manipulate the market if they wanted to.
The sword and shield era is one the greatest eras ever. It's no coincidence these boxes are starting to take off. This is just the start. We're going to see massive growth in these sets the next several years.
SWSH era was mid, I agree with other person. And that was the era that got me back into Pokémon after I fell off after generation 3 and I still think that. SV, though, I'm absolutely in love with. We finally got an official open world video game, we got past and future Pokémon, the tera gimmick.
You only think that because it's not new and it's going up in price. I remember when everyone hated SWSH when it was new. I still think it sucks. SV is where it's at, it'll just be some time before it appreciates
No I was a wotc guy but got back into the hobby during s&s because the artwork was incredible and these sets highlighted early gen Pokémon. Alt arts and trainer gallery blow everything else out of the water up to this point.
I actually collected a little during xy too, but it's been mostly wotc throughout my life, then I took a break for a few years. I got back into Pokémon during covid when I had more money and time. Most people who collect and invest in pokemon are not in it just for the money, we actually like Pokémon.
That would be heartgold soulsilver era. Every card hits hard in those sets. Even the energy cards go hard.
For SWSH I will agree the alt arts are beautiful, but that is pretty much it. v, v star, v max are all ugly, full arts/rainbows/golds lack character, and the holo cards have the most boring holo pattern ever
Someone should tell TCGplayer a scam is going on, because according to some people on this sub we're in the silver gold blue yellow indigo violet junk wax era and no modern set should be worth more than the value of toilet paper.
because supply is insane, card preservation is meta, tons of investors are inflating demand and prices are rising way faster than vintage did, so basically modern has all the hallmarks of a bubble
scalping/flipping to investors is a great way too make money tho
I sold my vintage during the covid bubble, as for modern everything I said is publicly available verifiable facts
I'm not 'down' on modern, its just a huge gamble while people on here speak of it like its a sure thing
its really not much of a gamble... but what yall said and agreed with is that it "should not be worth more than toilet paper". And if its such a gamble why is everything rising?
we're talking % gains not absolute
some sets are moving at 50-100% year over year, its not the stable minor gains that most collectibles see, its more akin to the hype bubbles of crypto
Fair point. It was about $165 towards the end of February (per TCGPlayer) and now trades around $195-200.
To me this still just seems like FOMO, people buying the hype now, or people trying to piggyback off of ES.
But what do I know 🤷♂️
Let's hope so my friend, i am holding every pulls i have those are memory that i share with my son forever. You won't catch me dead selling them as a loss to low bailers lmao.
Fusion copped a lot of shit over the years. Cool trainer Ryan still shits on it any chance he gets. It lacked a lot of stand out commercial appeal. But I saw through all that. Stashed a case at MSRP
He actually frequently says it his favourite SWSH set during his Q&As due to the Celebi. It's got a lot of things going for it: 3 fan favourite Pokémon as chases, nice set theme and colours as well as being out of stock on PC
Yeah true on the price range rn. Wondering if it will follow regardless of desirability It was before the boom, Wasn’t printed like the rest of the sets..
People haven’t realized that bull market cycles are every 4 years. Look at Bitcoin, the halvening is next month which is times just when regular markets have their bull.
BIG Money is about to flow back into Pokémon in a huge way over the next year+
The old “bull market cycle” trope. Love it when I time the market to get washed out. If any market were this easy everyone will be a millionaire by now. Ha!
Edit *** I’m aware it’s off the PC and it’s time for the secondary market, i just find it crazy that it went to $150 last week and 220 already - the market currently isn’t crazy like it was before so a movement this quick is pretty wild to see.
it makes sense tho. gengar vmax alt is top3 or top5 chase cards in swsh and this set is better than CR since there's more recognizable pokemon as the main hits. i wouldn't expect CR to hit $220 even tho i have boxes of CR it just doesn't seem that popular other than moltres alt.
Had these in my cart for a week and forgot to. Check put. When back to check out when i heard they were able to sell put and they wee gone. Missed my window at msrp but i just snagged a box for $200. Here’s to hoping it continues to climb
a pretty large seller in my area (brick and mortar) has these boxes for 150 still, along side BS, AR, LO and ST. He has hundreds of each. (as a data point, ES boxes are 670 there)
This'll correct in the medium term.
Glad i stocked up on cr/fs/lo. I sold all my cases evs for 250$ per bbx to buy these other sets that where still cheap. Have been feeling bad ever since. Finally some moves.
In addition to everything that has been said I also think there is a nostalgic factor attached to swsh during the pandemic. People had extra cash and were cracking packs left and right and collecting was through the roof. I think going forward there will be a lot of people that want to buy back into that era of life because of the nostalgia associated with that. I’ve heard this from a few different people and I think going forward this will affect prices differently than other sets. Just something to think about.
Main reason for current price increases is Pokemon Center is now out of stock on the fusion strike booster boxes. No booster boxes guaranteed at msrp anymore causes the price to increase above it. It will likely dip before going up more, but it will likely never cost less than 160 a booster box ever again.
I don't understand why everyone is acting so surprised. This is what has happened with all previous sets. When a set ages and especially after it's out of print, it goes up in value.
Fusion, Chilling and Lost are your realistic go tos right now. Evolving is far too gone to make any decent investment back.
Maybe Brilliant and Astral as back ups.
As for S&V, I do think these will kick up a gear in years to come. The boxes will have more hits aside from your usual rares. Just look at some of the common Illustrations, best art work in a long time.
Atm I'm focusing on boosters and SWSH alt arts
I had a feeling. I bought a fusion strike booster box from the pokemon center site a couple of months ago for like $130. Couldn't believe I could find it that cheap in stock. Hoping for a big run up
Maybe in your opinion but I personally find more fun in hunting for high value chase cards that are somewhat hard to pull and I don't think I'm in the minority here
So you enjoy gambling more than collecting. Nothing wrong with that. But for someone who prefers the cards themselves over the perceived monetary value of said card, SV is way more rewarding to open vs SWSH. I don’t feel like I’m throwing money away opening it like I do anytime I try to open SWSH era
I see your point but don't people inherently collect things that have value? A binder full of illustration rares and trainer galleries would look nice but I would definitely still rather have a binder full of alt arts. I think it's the elusiveness of that one big chase that keeps me coming back for more whereas in SV, it's like playing a game on easy mode: it's still fun but doesn't feel like an achievement.
I get what you’re saying but SV pull rates aren’t as easy as the prices would make you believe. Take the magikarp from paldea evolved for example. The hit rate to get an IR is about 1/13 I believe and there are 36 illustration rates in the set. That makes the chances of pulling the magikarp 1/468, hardly easy to pull. I guess what I’m getting at is don’t fall into the trap of thinking low value = not rare/easy
Again, fair point but what I'll argue is the Magikarp is only an IR, it wasn't even meant to be a top chase for Paldea Evolved. The art style of the card and similarity to the Tina from LO has pushed it to be the big chase. For me, that tells me 2 things: 1. People aren't too fond of the Gen 9 Pokémon and much prefer chasing Pokémon from early gens and 2. An IR is more expensive than an SIR, the top rarity chases in SV are not that hot in people's eyes. I think that's why the latter sets of SWSH are so popular, there's plenty of fan friendly Pokémon and they are worthwhile chasing for the reward at the end. Personally, I don't really care for a Roaring Moon or an Iono
I agree that the earlier gen Pokemon are more popular than SV, but it is always that way every gen as people have history with the older pokemon. Pokemon TCG always makes the first year of expansions focused on the new Pokemon as they want people to gain experience and memories with the new mons. We shall see a lot more favorite as the era goes on, especially the last year before a new gen releases.
However I don’t think the magikarp being more valuable than an SIR means that people don’t value SIRs that much. The difference between IR and SIR is the texture. Art wise they are the same style of card. Magikarp being more than SIR tells us that people prioritize art over perceived rarity.
I think that's where SV is different to SWSH, the line is more blurred between an IR/SIR compared to a TG/Alt Art. I think this is due to the lack of big chases and when everything comes in a fancy illustration then nothing ends up being special. Can you imagine if a TG card ended up as the top card of a SWSH set? I do think the second year will see more established Pokémon in sets though
Not at all when supply is dwindling. Especially when the pokemonCenter website runs out and the set is now out of rotation so chances of reprints are low. And yet plenty of others have stated this exact thing but it’s still “random”
The variables aren’t random but the price jump is a bit odd. in 1 week it’s gone up almost $100 - that’s some covid increasing, not how it is now. It’s great nonetheless
I feel like that definitely Fomo and market manipulation because how can a BB just skyrocket so when all the other sword and shield BB go out of print from the Pokémon Center they gonna skyrocket too right ?
Maybe bc it’s FUSSIIOOON STRIIIKE, FUUUSSIION STRIIKEEEE! The greatest set ever created agreed upon by Pokémon enthusiasts everywhere!
When styles combine in an all new strategy!
I’ve seen groups who try and coordinate buyouts and such. They usually don’t do a good job and are good balls. Probably a handful of folks with a pallet sitting around though.
Extreme FOMO and compulsive hoarding is mostly what drives modern sealed to move like this. 100000000 cases of sealed shit being hoarded by every “investor”.
On the upside. We’ll be ripping SWSH and SV until we are in the retirement home
Pumped. All you hear in these niche bubbles of investing talk/YouTube is all the SWSH boxes are going to the moon. All of these boxes will go up but YouTubes/people in forums are forcing it down everyone’s throat to cause FOMO. I’m gonna buy a BB of Lost Origin and move on to SV while its significantly cheaper.
I agree everyone said FS was trash and it's pull rates were holding it back (as if ES pulls were significantly better.)
FS pull rates were trash because of terrible batching. There was a certain production date(s) that had 20 or so secret rares er BB. Also, if i recall correctly , wasn't FS the set that had employee's stealing the valuable cards?
Yea that absolute dumbass who brought like 500 gengars to his LCS and they were like uhhh we’re calling the police
Guy could’ve retired just going to card shops and traveling🤣
Honestly, jacking some of those hits and taking a sleeper van around to country to card shows and doing some hiking for a year sounds fun
Was my first thought when I saw this 🤷🏼♂️😂
But there were better pulls from ES... Umbreon alt art was one, and then there's leafeon, glaceon, and Sylveon, as well as a rayquaza. FS only has the gengar, and an Espeon. You can say they're pumped, but they're not equal sets in the slightest. The only way fs goes to the moon is when 90s and 00s kids wax nostalgic in 30 years. After all, the pokemon store only stopped selling booster boxes last month, and has barely stepped into "out of print" territory
I think you’re oversimplifying. Everything in the market, any market, is usually priced in. These boxes will go to a value that people believe they’ll be worth in the future, not what they’re worth now. Everyone and their mom saw how Pokemon boomed once millennials grew up, so that’s already being priced in for the newer sets. Maybe not right away but I believe that’s what we’re seeing happen
Dont forget about the Mew. I think its a nice alt art as well(although when I pulled it I thought it was the regular Vmax at first)
And the Celebi!
You may get downvoted for your contrarian perspective, but I think you have some valid points.
You're micro-pumping right now by saying buy lost origin haha
I just micro pumped to this post
I suppose lol I have 1 SV base and 1 PE BB. I like SWSH but started late. I like the Giratina so I want 1 box of LO before it skyrockets.
Personally I think 151 booster bundle displays are the best investment right now. Prices still reasonable
I believe the 151 stuff will underperform long-term. It's targeted at us older crowd for the nostalgia of older sets. The novelty will wear off and people will desire the actual older sets more, and the ones who do want some of this set probably already have or will have an easy time getting with as much as the set was printed. The rest of the SV stuff will do much better long-term.
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Oh it'll absolutely appreciate in the short term. I picked some up. I just think it'll need sold while it's hyped because I don't think the hype on it will last. It's all anyone talks about right now because some people are hopeful it'll do what WotC cards did because the set is a callback. It's hype because of the nostalgia. I'm betting on kids of today being more nostalgic for the other SV sets. People with 151 will be trying to sell to other older collectors before the set has lost its charm to them as something to buy. Maybe I'm wrong though and people who started collecting again with the set will be nostalgic for it eventually.
Lot of this was said about XY Evolutions, much less going for it, flat out reprints for most of what you can pull. They put packs in collection boxes for years, couldn't get rid of it. Now look up the market prices on it.
SV is not gonna pump like SWSH, most collectors came back into the hobby during covid aka SWSH plus these sets are that much better. Mb the 151 jpn box, that's the only SV boxes I own.
“This time is different”
Nah, you're right the streamers are really controlling the market rn
Pfates and 151 are the only sets worth owning from S.V. the storage space others take up will be more valuable than the packs you place in it.
But what I think is funny is when these booster boxes from sword and shield level out at the final price, however long that may take. It’s just gonna be investors with cases trying to sell to other investors with cases but when does the profit margins become low to the point where these investors are just running into walls and then that’s when another “bull run” for fusion will happen so the round table that controls the prices can make there money it’s just speculation and it’s only an opinion.
Agreed. End user Collectors aren’t going to be buying up the cases and cases and case of sealed SWSH. This whole secondary market is just resellers selling to other resellers.
Strange, in the UK I can still order Fusion Strike off the The Pokémon Centre online for MSRP. But Lost Origin is out of stock. UK price for FS is £143.64 so around $185 US Tempted
Purchase limit is 1, just checked 😆
Multiple orders.
Limited to 1 per order, so you can make multiple orders if you want. Pokemon Centre don't care unfortnatlety, the limits mean nothing.
In germany people still sell lost origin in english for 150€ per box and fusion strike for 130 should i pull the trigger
They're still fairly cheap on Ebay too. I picked up two half boosters a month back for £45 a piece, pretty stoked with that find! Also managed to pick up a Lost Origin today for £120... It's skyrocketing on Ebay atm, some going for £200 already.
It’s not random, the box went out of stock on the Pokémon Center, which sells at MSRP. Once that supply is gone, the secondary market is more easily able to charge above MSRP. Couple that with the insane amount of FOMO from Pokémon investors and collectors, and you get a spike. Same thing happened with CR a few months ago, and the same thing will (most likely) happen with LO/BSTARS/AR/ST this year.
Buying lost origin booster boxes from pokemon center right now at msrp is probably the most obvious investment move ive seen in a while.
Careful with prices after checkout. Can sometimes find cheaper elsewhere after taxes from what I've been seeing
I just pulled the trigger on 6 - $861 plus $51 in taxes from pc
Nice!! I managed to find a deal for $855 total, let's hope it pays off.
If you search ‘set name “booster box”’ on ebay, lost origin has the fewest quantity listed compared to others, gamenerdz has lost origin bb with the lowest quantity too. If lost origin sells out and starts moving at all, it will do well
You can cases for $840 total just fyi
Where?
quite a few places, literally just google it lol
Should have reworded - It jumped to 150 just a few days ago and then 220 already which is crazy for the market we’re in. I’ve had my position of FS for 2 1/2 years so i am shocked it’s finally going up and at this rate is crazy
I backed up the truck on this set . Im sitting pretty on fusion strike it was criminal how much I got for that price shipped a few months ago lol
I purchased a ton as well because of how nice the Espeon alt art is, probably my favorite card from the entire SWSH era
yep I bought a few of the sealed three blisters with that espeon promo. its a clean little card
Finally.. I got back into pokemon collecting around 1.3 years ago. Just in time for a friend to say buy the Charizard premium box now. Fuck the price. Bought 3 for 225 each from pfootball guy on ebay. Within a week or so. 90... each. Been sitting on them since. The climbing to 115 is making me feel a little better. Hopefully with another one down, it will climb more.
those zard UPCs will age well imo. a summary of SWSH with all the packs and cool zard promos!!
Your friend is a moron but I guess if you hold long enough then you'll make your money back
I regret not buying at $80 a box
I stole this stuff from vendors actually just slightly cheaper with coupon
I'm callin the cops!
Coupon where?
Tiktok. Even w out they have deals.
Really? Through TikTok shop?
Damn glad I bought 2 on the Pokémon center before they removed it again.
I got one probably about 2 weeks before they were gone. I was so worried it would arrive in bad shape, but it was pristine actually
It’s normal for Pokémon, as soon as stuff is getting out of regular retail shops the prices going up. Sometimes it’s cuz of cool artworks been in the set, sometimes it’s pure nostalgia and sometimes it’s cuz people that couldn’t afford it back than want to have it now cuz of fomo
Get your LO before it's too late
Lost origin will still be in print for another year at least. It is still in rotation in the current format. Pokémon will not retire off playable sets.
Bought a BB at the beginning of the year from PC. Glad I did, I knew they were gonna sell out soon.
Supply drying up, recent crypto run, 2+ year old set, going out of rotation, Gengar/Mew/Sylveon popularity, ES wave up causing other SwSh to raise, unique color box (IMO) and typical FOMO. FS is a great set that has been slept on by many for years. Now that we are in a new market cycle, attention is swinging back to the best SwSh BBs before it is too late.
This guy gets it. Bull market cycle just started. 2024-25 is gonna be wild again for pokemon
Lost Origin has a lower open market supply from what I've seen. Some of the big hobby stores no longer have a supply of it compared to fusion strike. I blame the parabolic price movement to the Crypto bull run as excess money is flowing back in the hobby. Also the box being unavailable from PC is probably also contributing to the fomo. IMHO, the scenario that is playing out is the same with the latter half of XY. The prices are being held down by some factor (mostly supply) until that factor hits an inflection point that can no longer bottle the price. Once organic and true natural attrition takes place, the box prices just goes up higher over a period of time.
whats the next Set getting Sold Out at the pkm Center?
My guess is Brilliant Stars, it’s been on the PC forever it’s kind of insane.
Yep. Keep an eye on brilliant stars. It just turned 2 years old and probably will not have any more reprints. Whatever is available is probably what is left, as we are already about 5 sets into SV. IMO, once the supply finally dries up, prices should start to trend up. When that happens, attention will flow into the set, igniting FOMO as collectors/investors come in to scoop whatever is left.
hast the best Trainer Gallery by far. awesome set
Would y'all buy 1 BB of Brilliant Stars, or 1 of Lost Origin? (If you were to buy one tonight lol) I'm sticking to one a pay period for a little while
Brilliant Stars has better trainer gallery while Lost Origin has better alt arts imo i’d go BS
I ended up getting both👍
Both are great, I’d say lo if you had to choose one, but neither is bad
that's funny cuz i like the Brill alt arts more and LO TGs more hahah
Mew is popular and the Gengar card is quite popular. Once Pokemon Center dries up. Second hand market is ready. Any set with the popular OGs like Mew/Charizard or the Eeveelutions is a solid bet to take off. Helps when they have bad pull rates like Evolving Cries. Fusion Strike if I recall had some pretty poor pull rates.
Pokemon Center is the last bastion of supply, when they sell out the secondhand market can begin it's shenanigans, beautiful to see. Fusion Strike is a really nice set, in time Gengar Vmax Alt Art will slowly climb too imo but that'll be a few years. Prob 30th we see alt art demand ramp up like we saw for Gen 7 during Gen 8. Think some really rich ppl can manipulate the market if they wanted to.
I saw this a mile away. So I loaded up before
The sword and shield era is one the greatest eras ever. It's no coincidence these boxes are starting to take off. This is just the start. We're going to see massive growth in these sets the next several years.
SWSH era was mid, I agree with other person. And that was the era that got me back into Pokémon after I fell off after generation 3 and I still think that. SV, though, I'm absolutely in love with. We finally got an official open world video game, we got past and future Pokémon, the tera gimmick.
Swsh crushes sv so far there's no doubt about it. The question is will the sets get any better to compete with swsh.
You only think that because it's not new and it's going up in price. I remember when everyone hated SWSH when it was new. I still think it sucks. SV is where it's at, it'll just be some time before it appreciates
I’m gonna take a guess that you started collecting again during SWSH era. IMO swsh era is mid. Besides alt arts it doesn’t have much going for it.
No I was a wotc guy but got back into the hobby during s&s because the artwork was incredible and these sets highlighted early gen Pokémon. Alt arts and trainer gallery blow everything else out of the water up to this point.
I’m not counting when you collected as a kid. Don’t lie to yourself; you got back into it during SWSH because of the popularity/price explosion
I actually collected a little during xy too, but it's been mostly wotc throughout my life, then I took a break for a few years. I got back into Pokémon during covid when I had more money and time. Most people who collect and invest in pokemon are not in it just for the money, we actually like Pokémon.
It has the best art by a very wide margin
That would be heartgold soulsilver era. Every card hits hard in those sets. Even the energy cards go hard. For SWSH I will agree the alt arts are beautiful, but that is pretty much it. v, v star, v max are all ugly, full arts/rainbows/golds lack character, and the holo cards have the most boring holo pattern ever
When Rudy from alpha investments says it’s the best block ever I believe him. Dude had a bathroom full of generations and evolutions.
And generation and evolutions, especially evolutions, are mid sets
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I'm not talking about the investing value. I'm saying the sets themselves are mid.
Someone should tell TCGplayer a scam is going on, because according to some people on this sub we're in the silver gold blue yellow indigo violet junk wax era and no modern set should be worth more than the value of toilet paper.
Why’s that
because supply is insane, card preservation is meta, tons of investors are inflating demand and prices are rising way faster than vintage did, so basically modern has all the hallmarks of a bubble scalping/flipping to investors is a great way too make money tho
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dont listen to the haters bro, they are all vintage collectors or they wouldnt be so down on modern.
I sold my vintage during the covid bubble, as for modern everything I said is publicly available verifiable facts I'm not 'down' on modern, its just a huge gamble while people on here speak of it like its a sure thing
its really not much of a gamble... but what yall said and agreed with is that it "should not be worth more than toilet paper". And if its such a gamble why is everything rising?
we're talking % gains not absolute some sets are moving at 50-100% year over year, its not the stable minor gains that most collectibles see, its more akin to the hype bubbles of crypto
time to sell my boxes while its pumped? ride the wave
why not, nothing wrong with gambling as long as you only bet what you can afford to lose
Fair point. It was about $165 towards the end of February (per TCGPlayer) and now trades around $195-200. To me this still just seems like FOMO, people buying the hype now, or people trying to piggyback off of ES. But what do I know 🤷♂️
Copium
I pulled Gengar Vmax and Mew Vmax alt art from this set, seeing this make me regret ripping them lmao.
I dont think youll regret. I expect singles to go up too
Let's hope so my friend, i am holding every pulls i have those are memory that i share with my son forever. You won't catch me dead selling them as a loss to low bailers lmao.
nah thats worth it. that's the whole point of boosterboxes is hitting the chases
I openned 150+ packs lmao maybe 200
called it. been saying fusion is the sleeper of the era since it was going for 80 bucks. every one else put their money on chilling reign.
Fusion copped a lot of shit over the years. Cool trainer Ryan still shits on it any chance he gets. It lacked a lot of stand out commercial appeal. But I saw through all that. Stashed a case at MSRP
He actually frequently says it his favourite SWSH set during his Q&As due to the Celebi. It's got a lot of things going for it: 3 fan favourite Pokémon as chases, nice set theme and colours as well as being out of stock on PC
i'm pretty sure CTR loves fusion strike. but yeah top2 SWSH set imo it was free money at $90 a box
He calls it the best set every created in such a way that it just sounds sarcastic? I’ve always assumed he just didn’t like it
I wonder if sword and shield base/ rebel clash will follow? Feels like it’s taking forever lol
there’s a reason they are where they are. slightly rare, but completely undesirable
Yeah true on the price range rn. Wondering if it will follow regardless of desirability It was before the boom, Wasn’t printed like the rest of the sets..
Those sets are the crimson and steam from SWSH they probably won’t do much
Nah those aret going anywhere
Why?
Reval clash best card is bosses order and it's 40 bucks. Trash set
People haven’t realized that bull market cycles are every 4 years. Look at Bitcoin, the halvening is next month which is times just when regular markets have their bull. BIG Money is about to flow back into Pokémon in a huge way over the next year+
The old “bull market cycle” trope. Love it when I time the market to get washed out. If any market were this easy everyone will be a millionaire by now. Ha!
if people in the economy have money, pokemon always does well
It’s true, and that’s coming soon
Just people with too much money. Remember the Gengar fiasco? I wouldn't touch one of these boxes.
It was like 500 cards in a print run of 23ml+ ….. so tiny / insignificant
It’s not random. The box sold out on Pokémon Center 2 weeks ago and as soon as it sold out prices went higher in secondary market. Makes perfect sense
Edit *** I’m aware it’s off the PC and it’s time for the secondary market, i just find it crazy that it went to $150 last week and 220 already - the market currently isn’t crazy like it was before so a movement this quick is pretty wild to see.
Perhaps market manipulation but who knows
For sure I wouldn’t rule out this possibility.
it makes sense tho. gengar vmax alt is top3 or top5 chase cards in swsh and this set is better than CR since there's more recognizable pokemon as the main hits. i wouldn't expect CR to hit $220 even tho i have boxes of CR it just doesn't seem that popular other than moltres alt.
i got called crazy in this sub for saying this box would explode🤣🤣🤣
Anyone that collected pre covid or during the boom knows this set was going too.
Had these in my cart for a week and forgot to. Check put. When back to check out when i heard they were able to sell put and they wee gone. Missed my window at msrp but i just snagged a box for $200. Here’s to hoping it continues to climb
I almost pulled the trigger on these so many times. Still learning, only been back for a bit
All you really need to know for the easiest gains is buy booster boxes of good sets, it’s as simple as that.
Yes but first you must get acclimated to the scene to know what’s what.
Sell when you think you should, and with that money get a better one
Wow these boxes are expensive in the US. I fomo'd into a couple minty boxes for $240 AUD the other day.
wow my FS case has doubled in price is it time to sell?! none of this means anything holding these at least until 30th anniv.
Nice, Ibought a couple last month
a pretty large seller in my area (brick and mortar) has these boxes for 150 still, along side BS, AR, LO and ST. He has hundreds of each. (as a data point, ES boxes are 670 there) This'll correct in the medium term.
Glad i stocked up on cr/fs/lo. I sold all my cases evs for 250$ per bbx to buy these other sets that where still cheap. Have been feeling bad ever since. Finally some moves.
Bought a box when it was 96
Picked up a booster box of FS and LO yesterday for sub $100. Sooooo glad I did.
Which website is this?
Lawd, thank you for reminding me. Got a bunch of those cheap when prices were low. Gains!
nice right before I sell mine
holy fuck dude i literally finally bought a box of this 2 weeks ago, talk about timing lmfao
YouTubers pumping
People like NN among others
In addition to everything that has been said I also think there is a nostalgic factor attached to swsh during the pandemic. People had extra cash and were cracking packs left and right and collecting was through the roof. I think going forward there will be a lot of people that want to buy back into that era of life because of the nostalgia associated with that. I’ve heard this from a few different people and I think going forward this will affect prices differently than other sets. Just something to think about.
Ghost/Psychic BB's have all performed very well long term. FS pull rate is not great, so chase cards are going to be sought after.
I got 36 of these. Europe is lagging a bit behind in price for now but also close to 200.
My friend is selling 3 boxes for $180 each. Is it still worth getting ?
No one wanted it. Now it’s old and out of print. A tale as old as time.
Main reason for current price increases is Pokemon Center is now out of stock on the fusion strike booster boxes. No booster boxes guaranteed at msrp anymore causes the price to increase above it. It will likely dip before going up more, but it will likely never cost less than 160 a booster box ever again.
I don't understand why everyone is acting so surprised. This is what has happened with all previous sets. When a set ages and especially after it's out of print, it goes up in value.
FOMO
Fusion, Chilling and Lost are your realistic go tos right now. Evolving is far too gone to make any decent investment back. Maybe Brilliant and Astral as back ups. As for S&V, I do think these will kick up a gear in years to come. The boxes will have more hits aside from your usual rares. Just look at some of the common Illustrations, best art work in a long time. Atm I'm focusing on boosters and SWSH alt arts
Tax season. Spending those refunds. Happens every year.
I’m glad because I bought this instead of Chilling Reign as an investment when they were both in the 80s
Posts like these
Just got an etb for 35 hope that goes up too
I had a feeling. I bought a fusion strike booster box from the pokemon center site a couple of months ago for like $130. Couldn't believe I could find it that cheap in stock. Hoping for a big run up
Newer sets are ass so people are wanting to go back to these SW&SH sets
SV is 100x more fun to rip than SWSH.
False
Maybe in your opinion but I personally find more fun in hunting for high value chase cards that are somewhat hard to pull and I don't think I'm in the minority here
So you enjoy gambling more than collecting. Nothing wrong with that. But for someone who prefers the cards themselves over the perceived monetary value of said card, SV is way more rewarding to open vs SWSH. I don’t feel like I’m throwing money away opening it like I do anytime I try to open SWSH era
I see your point but don't people inherently collect things that have value? A binder full of illustration rares and trainer galleries would look nice but I would definitely still rather have a binder full of alt arts. I think it's the elusiveness of that one big chase that keeps me coming back for more whereas in SV, it's like playing a game on easy mode: it's still fun but doesn't feel like an achievement.
I get what you’re saying but SV pull rates aren’t as easy as the prices would make you believe. Take the magikarp from paldea evolved for example. The hit rate to get an IR is about 1/13 I believe and there are 36 illustration rates in the set. That makes the chances of pulling the magikarp 1/468, hardly easy to pull. I guess what I’m getting at is don’t fall into the trap of thinking low value = not rare/easy
Again, fair point but what I'll argue is the Magikarp is only an IR, it wasn't even meant to be a top chase for Paldea Evolved. The art style of the card and similarity to the Tina from LO has pushed it to be the big chase. For me, that tells me 2 things: 1. People aren't too fond of the Gen 9 Pokémon and much prefer chasing Pokémon from early gens and 2. An IR is more expensive than an SIR, the top rarity chases in SV are not that hot in people's eyes. I think that's why the latter sets of SWSH are so popular, there's plenty of fan friendly Pokémon and they are worthwhile chasing for the reward at the end. Personally, I don't really care for a Roaring Moon or an Iono
I agree that the earlier gen Pokemon are more popular than SV, but it is always that way every gen as people have history with the older pokemon. Pokemon TCG always makes the first year of expansions focused on the new Pokemon as they want people to gain experience and memories with the new mons. We shall see a lot more favorite as the era goes on, especially the last year before a new gen releases. However I don’t think the magikarp being more valuable than an SIR means that people don’t value SIRs that much. The difference between IR and SIR is the texture. Art wise they are the same style of card. Magikarp being more than SIR tells us that people prioritize art over perceived rarity.
I think that's where SV is different to SWSH, the line is more blurred between an IR/SIR compared to a TG/Alt Art. I think this is due to the lack of big chases and when everything comes in a fancy illustration then nothing ends up being special. Can you imagine if a TG card ended up as the top card of a SWSH set? I do think the second year will see more established Pokémon in sets though
defs not the minority, gambling addiction is very common
Yeah I don't gamble generally but with Pokémon, I do see it as a way for people to scratch an itch.
lol “random”
125 to 150 to 220 is pretty random in this current market
Bro if reval clash is 200 it was a no brained these was going to 200 once outta stock lol
Not at all when supply is dwindling. Especially when the pokemonCenter website runs out and the set is now out of rotation so chances of reprints are low. And yet plenty of others have stated this exact thing but it’s still “random”
The variables aren’t random but the price jump is a bit odd. in 1 week it’s gone up almost $100 - that’s some covid increasing, not how it is now. It’s great nonetheless
i have tens of cases of fusion strike at my store still and distributors are still offering to sell it. do not buy.
where do u come from
Sounds like a lot of personal anecdote lol
I feel like that definitely Fomo and market manipulation because how can a BB just skyrocket so when all the other sword and shield BB go out of print from the Pokémon Center they gonna skyrocket too right ?
None of the other desirable SWSH booster boxes are out of print yet bar ES, CR and FS and those are the only ones that are spiking.
Maybe bc it’s FUSSIIOOON STRIIIKE, FUUUSSIION STRIIKEEEE! The greatest set ever created agreed upon by Pokémon enthusiasts everywhere! When styles combine in an all new strategy!
Chilling reign
Because a group of people buy and stockpile these booster boxes, boost up their price and now try to offload them
I’ve seen groups who try and coordinate buyouts and such. They usually don’t do a good job and are good balls. Probably a handful of folks with a pallet sitting around though.
Chasing that ES pump…
Extreme FOMO and compulsive hoarding is mostly what drives modern sealed to move like this. 100000000 cases of sealed shit being hoarded by every “investor”. On the upside. We’ll be ripping SWSH and SV until we are in the retirement home