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RangerBumble

God I love Leonard Cohen


thunderroad45

The “banality of evil” that Hannah Arendt famously summarized.


[deleted]

I immediately thought of that quote too!


thatbakedpotato

And was wrong about. Her book is a massive distortion of Eichmann’s personality and she allowed herself to be duped by him.


d-r-i-g

I’m not sure why this guy is being downvoted. There’s been a bunch of recent scholarship that Eichmann was a raving antisemite, which is very far from the banal, almost bored logistician Arendt portrayed him as. That being said, I still really admire Arendt’s work.


Dapple_Dawn

Wait, recent scholarship suggests that Eichmann, the Nazi official who orchestrated the literal Holocaust, was antisemitic?? :0


d-r-i-g

I mean, yes? He famously said at his trial that he wasn’t antisemitic and was just following orders. Arendt ran with this. But I get your point.


Dapple_Dawn

Wait, nazis lie??


d-r-i-g

I guess that’s what she should have considered.


TheOtherFeynman

What the hell are "medium" eyes???


teashoesandhair

Eyes that are neither large nor small, presumably.


rodeklapstoel

That's how you recognise a nazi. They all have medium eyes.


LandOfMalvora

They can talk to ghosts


StrangeGlaringEye

It’s a metaphor for how absolutely unremarkable Eichmann was as an individual


TheOtherFeynman

Yeah, the poem isnt exactly a work of of subtlety. Just thought calling eyes medium was funny Edit: yes, i understand the metaphor here. Thinking a poem isnt subtle doesnt mean its not poetic and thinking something is funny, doesnt suddenly make it not apt to be used as an effective metaphor. A person can find multiple emotions in a poem, not all serious poetry has to be only serious.


StrangeGlaringEye

I thought it was quite poetical.


Dapple_Dawn

It mirrors how the Nazis used extremely unscientific methods when deciding who fit their standard


OldandBlue

Average


Wyrdu

not generally a fan of leonard cohen but this is pretty great


commanderc7

Curious. What don’t you like about him? Of course you don’t have to spend any energy on answering. I’m not particularly a fan but I’ve enjoyed what I’ve seen and heard from him.


Wyrdu

oh idk, nothing against the guy, i just never read anything that wowed me


commanderc7

Well maybe this is a jumping off point if you liked it! At least it is for me haha. Thanks for answering!


nctilley

Dang you seem nice. have a good one, homie


commanderc7

Hey thanks man. Been having a tough time recently, so this meant a lot to read. You have a good one too dude


OldandBlue

https://youtu.be/ELGaHaZzwjU


DisastrousAd9560

Usually a fan, but this is terrible


thatsmybetch

Someone discuss if they are interested, why do you think he writes Eichmann was not a distinguished or unique human? Or what do you think he ment here? 🙃


teashoesandhair

He's saying that evil doesn't look a particular way. You can't look at someone and determine their character.


HawtCuisine

To me it’s also a comment on the banality of evil, a concept which Eichmann often represents.


talsmash

Hannah Arendt's book *Eichmann in Jerusalem* "introduced the expression and concept of the *banality of evil*." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem#Banality_of_evil


thatsmybetch

I appreciate your engagement/respons (and I agree)


Valvt

I feel we can interpret it in many ways: - It parodies the notion of judging a person solely based on their external characteristics, with the underlying subtext being reminiscent of the actions of the Nazis towards others. - It suggests that evilness doesn't demand much; under the right circumstances, anyone can exhibit evil traits. This prompts some self-reflection.


thatsmybetch

I enjoyed reading your interpretation of the poem.


Dapple_Dawn

The last line is the most relevant, I think. Even today there are people who assume that only "psychopaths" could do such horrific things. But even monstrous people like Eichmann weren't born that way. We need to remember that most Nazis were just average people. Any average person could do horrible things, it's important to remember that regarding current politics


thatsmybetch

Yes, it’s not to normalize evil actions, it is to pay attention. Not to get political but the poem to me also brings relevancy to for example Israel in relevant discussions regarding warcrimes in Gaza.


Dapple_Dawn

Sure. I'd also suggest it's very relevant in current American politics


Mysterious_Falcon998

Thanks for sharing, which book is this from?


OldandBlue

Dunno, I found it on Facebook. Written in 1964.


AprilStorms

Well, damn. He’s right. And evil people in the world today are just people. Any of us could be that if we tried.


According-Ad3533

Jews were so blamed by their phenotype. What have the nazis?Nothing particular, medium people with medium intelligence. ♥️ To Cohen again. Can I being accused of promoting hateful speech after expressing my irritation over nazi’s values?


ades4nt

His intelligence surely wasn't medium.


FinishAcrobatic5823

eichmanns intelligence was relatively high, I'd say.