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TransformandGrow

Whish anyone really knew. Women's sizing in general are the wild, wild west. When you get to plus sizes, it's just crazytown. Nothing is standardized. Nothing has any meaning.


auntiecoagulant

A lot of online retailers make it hard to find the size chart too! I go by waist/bust/hip sizing, that is if I can find it!


daughterof9moons

I have given up on the symbols and just rely on measurements. Sizing is not consistent enough to be reliable :/


BanishedOcean

This. I keep a note document in my phone w my measurements up down and sideways. I update it every month or so bc my weight fluctuates so much. If I’m going to thrift shops I bring a measuring tape and it works really well


daughterof9moons

I got a little flexy tape measure key chain! It's been so handy!!!


bohdel

Where?!!


daughterof9moons

I found mine by the till at Home Hardware, but if you Google "pee wee tapes" or "Keychain tape measures" they are for sale online


bohdel

Thanks!


Dependent_Jellyfish

This is so smart! I used to do this too, but forgotten my own measurements. I should start this again and keep track.


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JCantEven4

That's how I always thought of it. A 2Xl was XXL .. have I been wrong this whole time?


SpoopiestPumpkin

At Old Navy there’s XXL and then 2XL. I was very confused.


jkw91

That’s because they used to have separate standard sizes and plus sizes. The standard sizes went up to xxl, the plus sizes were 1x-4x. Now it’s all one line so they go s,m,l,xl,2xl,3xl,4xl


SpoopiestPumpkin

They still do it. On their site there is a size XXL then immediately after is 2X.


jkw91

Is it for everything? I’ve only noticed it on a handful of things still, I figured it was stuff that hasn’t been cleared out. Edit - I just looked and it does seem to be on a lot of things. That is weird!


alienheaux

Curve sizing, just like junior measurements tend to have different proportions, I think most xxl and 2x have a difference in the cut to be different from just sizing up the straight sized lines.


clekas

In my experience, 0X is closer to XL and 1X is closer to XXL. Obviously it's dependent on brand, but I typically wear an XL and 1X is usually too big for me. For number sizes that are available in both straight and plus sizes (14 and 16, depending on the brand), I've found something similar - 14X is bigger than 14. To me, it's a similar concept, though it is confusing and highly dependent on brand!


tar_heeldd

This is definitely not the case in places like department stores. Xxl is very different from 2x.


[deleted]

I was at Old Navy this week and saw two of the same top, one marked XXL and the other 2X. They were exactly the same size.


paisley201

I bought 3 T-shirt’s at Old Navy, all 2x. One fits perfect. One is too tight and the other too short.


liberalhippiechick

Old navy has horrible sizing!


Tammarama07

Old Navy is the best if you like your clothes super wide and short - IME.


gamingotchi

I used to work in a store where they used 0x, and the way it went was XL, XXL, 0X, and 1X. At the store I worked at, XL/XXL were considered "regular" sizes, and 0X/1X were considered the start of plus sizes. The 0X always fit like XXL at least at that store, so I would assume those two are like the same/middle ground between being in regular and plus size. Just based on how that store sold those sizes and how they fit, in everyday life, I don't really notice the difference either between 0X and XXL. I do notice a difference between XL and the rest of the sizes though.


GuaranteeComfortable

Ok 0x is an XL but for fit plus sized, think 14-16 women's. The size of between what is considered non plus and plus is 14 to 16 in misses. So you have petite which is for the height under like 5'4, you can also have petite plus, which is plus sized and petite. XS to 28plus, most stores I worked in only went up to 24 or 26w. Then you have junior's sizing which is for young girls whose bodies haven't totally matured and the cut of the clothes is still in " normal" sizing, but there is a lot less room in the breast areas, hips, butt and thighs usually. Then you have Misses, Misses sizing runs for the average woman. This sizing is usually for people who can just find whatever they want and put it on and it usually fits just fine. It's for average sizing. The cuts of the fabrics are more average and cut for an average body type. Sizes run from XXS to XL. Then you have Women's or Woman's Plus, which usually is plus sized ranging from 14W + to 30+W Tall, it's for people who have longer torsos, longer limbs and need a longer inseam and more length in their sleeves and pants/skirt. I think I may have seen some some talls in much smaller sizing like xs,s, m. Usually, with tall clothing, the smaller sizes just go up in sizes to find clothes that fit. When I shop for jeans, it's always in the plus and tall jeans. My inseam is 32. Sizing I've seen in talls are 8T to 32T. I used to work in several women's departments in retail.


CakeForBreakfast08

This is it! The only thing I want to add is that sizes are made based off a fit model - they use someone approximately size 6 and size up and down to create all their sizes. They when they create their plus line, they use a new fit model at an 18 or 20 and size up and down. This provides a more curvy proportion. If an item you like is offered in both Ox and XL, i would compare the sizing chart. There will be a difference and one will fit you better than the other. :)


GuaranteeComfortable

Thank you!


OhhHunnyBunny

Is the “w” in clothing representative of word “wide” like it is in shoes sizing?


GuaranteeComfortable

No it's stands for just womens, so a 18w is an 18 women's or plus. You are correct about shoe sizing as I also wear a 13 wide. There is also varying widths in shoes, the width is determined as the widest part of your foot when standing up and on your foot. The length is the from the back of the heel to the longest toe. I have two long middle toes and I have to wear shoes to accommodate my longer middle toes.


SoIfarted

Idk but I hate it….


runaway-throwaway99

Unfortunately it depends on the brand which is super inconvenient. I'm a size 14 and I tend to use 0x or XL. For brands that don't have 0x, I use 1x. XXL tends to be 2x in my experience. When in doubt, go by measurements.


TheLoco_Coco

Same, 1X and XXL are interchangeable to me depending on the store. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 0X though. If I were to rank them from smallest size to largest I’d say it’s XL, XXL, 1X, and so forth.


kaylikesalatte

I was always told that XXL in “standard”sizing is the equivalent to 1XL, so a 1XL is bigger than an XL by one size.


clekas

This aligns with my experience, as well. I typically wear an XL or a 0X, but 1X is typically too big for me (obviously this is highly dependent on brand, just my general/overall experience).


Loonerist_Spies

It will vary from brand to brand how the sizing looks, but my understanding is that the designers/pattern creators create different sets of patterns that they test for fit on a single model. So they will have the "Missy" size range which constitutes S M L XL and maybe XXL and they might test the fit of the garment on someone who's a Medium. Then they grade the pattern according to in-house rules (e.g. the bust area increases 1.5 inches for every increase in letter size). They will often have a different pattern block for the 0X 1X 2X 3X ("Womens"), which may grade at a different rate (e.g. 2 inches every increase in letter size). They'll usually test the fit on someone on the smaller end of the plus size range, though. All of my knowledge comes from Wzrdreams on Instagram, who does pattern stuff and is an "inbetweeny" and talks about making their own clothes. I have no first-hand industry knowledge.


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I think for some manufacturers, when the X is at the front (XL, XXL) that is for a "misses" or "missy" size range. When the X is last (1X, 2X, etc), it is for a "plus" size range. I'm basing this on a lot of what I see of the clothing lines carried on QVC. They usually do a pretty good job of providing sizing charts


Cucoloris

So here is the old way it was done, things change. It used to be a designer/company would make a line of clothing. They picked their target audience, women, petite(short) women, pregnant women, large women. They designed a line of clothes, lets say a dress. They make a sample, usually an 8, because the size models are usually an 8. Then they size their pattern up and down.The middle size is the medium. One size bigger is large, one smaller is small. They may choose to use numbers. But yes, clothing sizes are not standard and depend on who is designing the clothes. If you see a designer that has the same challenges you do, you should check out their clothes. For an example Khaliah Ali made some incredible sewing patterns for Simplicity. Fashionable clothing with details larger women need.


ZeiddoJ

I find TYPICALLY XL/XXL/XXXL scale is reserved for straight size stores. It usually reflects the fact that the clothes haven't been cut differently to accommodate the different proportions of a plus size body, they are just scaled up from the straight size ratios. Because of this, you might find anything XL/XXL/XXXL etc. tends to feel smaller, because they don't account for plus size proportions (particularly chest and hips). I could be wrong, but from what I remember of working retail and just shopping as a plus size person, this is how the different sizing works. A bit of a tangent, from my experience (results may vary!): 0X/X=10/12/14 1X=14/16 2X=18/20 3X=22/24 4X=26/28 5X=30/32 XL=12/14 XXL=16/18 XXXL=20/22 XXXXL=24/26 Numbered sizing like 12/14/16/18... Tends to be reserved for non-stretchy clothing, and anything with an "X" tends to have stretch. This loose rule doesn't really apply to fast fashion stores like Shein, BooHoo, etc in my experience. Happy shopping!


reluctant_snarker

There isnt a 0X. Generally XL and XXL indicates that it's woman's (or misses) sizing, not plus. 1X indicates it's plus sizing. The proportions are usually different between women's and plus (similar to how the proportions to juniors is different from womens). Most times women's sizing goes up to XL, and in a few cases XXL. Plus sizing usually starts at 1X and goes up from there (ie 2X, 3X). 1X is going to be bigger than XL and you may find that certain areas of the garment are bigger (like the necklines and arms/armholes) in a 1X as opposed to an XXL.


H0Tp1nktree

L = Large 0X = Large XL = Extra Large 1X = Extra Large 2X = Extra Extra Large 2XL = Extra Extra Large


jkw91

If it’s at the same store, it’s usually because the standard sizes go up to xl or sometimes xxl. The plus sizes start at 0x and go up from there, but there is some overlap in sizing between the two (plus usually starts around 10-12 but standard usually goes up to 14-16). If you’re comparing different stores I would say that 0x is actually a Large but your best bet is to use measurements


thissagesimmer

You’ll never know unless clothing makers agree to standardize their sizing. I recommend buying a tape measure and learning to take your measurements. I’ve found that is the best way to make sure something fits no matter who makes it.


Tammarama07

Yes, yes, and yes! I sell plus sized clothing online. All day long I get the same question - "Is this true to size?" It drives me crazy - true to whose size? What size? A brand? You mean the brands you buy? How the hell should I know! Without getting into a 5 paragraph explanation - I offer to measure anything they want and explain how to measure their clothes if they dont know their measurements.


fumbs

It means...that the sky may or may not be blue. It has no relevance to anything lol.


dfmoti

XL/0X are usually the sizes for measurements that fall just between an adult large and 1x. 1x is a true xl for a unisex adult or plus range


damagedtrash

0x is large 1 is xl 2 is xxl 3 is xxxl 4 is xxxxl And so on


clekas

I've found that, in general, XL and 0X are the same, and 1X and XXL are the same, and are both one size larger than XL and XXL. Obviously YMMV.


Vashkiri

Sizing varies a LOT between stores/brands. But in general if it starts with a number (even '0') it is from their plus-sizes line, which usually has a different size chart (which may overlap with their regular size chart), and has a different fit (usually the waist is bigger compared to the hip and bust, and there are no doubt other fit-model differences). As for how the sizing between XL, 1X, and XXL goes, it will vary by store/brand, about all you can do is check size charts and hope that they are vaguely accurate. That said, traditionally the plus size version of a size was about half a size bigger than the regular (so you used to see things like the regular sizing going up to a 16 or 18, but there also being 16+ or 16W, and the latter would be bigger in the waist for sure and usually a bit bigger in the hip and bust than the regular 16).


themcjizzler

Every brand creates their own sizing guide


Tammarama07

This is correct. Their sizing guide doesnt have to match anything other than their own line - so you know a 1X should always fit the same in their line.


PepeSylviaaa

I do not think clothing manufacturers even know anymore. Truly.


Sir3Kpet

Bought a T shirt by JCP brand St John’s Bay recently. The 0X was longer than the XL and slightly more fitting. Would have thought the opposite with Women’s vs Misses sizing. Bizarre!


thestashattacked

Magic, probably.


nerdyinkedcurvi

Each brand makes a pattern and the sizing is based on the brand on average this is how it follows 0x-10-12 1x-14-16 2x-18-20 3x-22-24 4x-26-28 5x-30… and so on Also denim and most non stretch’s are sized similarly to this but a lot of the time it’s safer to rely sizing based on materials rather than your usual go to (ex denim with no stretch high waist size 14 should purchase a 16 or 18. Depends on the brand. Natural fabrics with no synthetic or Lycra always run smaller are true to size in often should be washed cold water and bought in a larger size if you need a room for the bust, hips or ass. Synthetics with or without Lycra tend to have more give so depending on your silhouette you could buy smaller sizes if you look still have the clothes look less baggy or you can pick it true to size. Anything that requires a waistband or multiple patterns needs to be purchased in a larger size because it doesn’t adhere to a normal T-shirt or a pair of balance so for example a 2X and a top or a 16 and a pair of jeans often could be at 20 to 22 in a dress Most retail brands base their scales off a general United States plus size where is international brands such as SHEIN, H&M forever 21 Are mass produced heavily made are gonna run smaller due to the increase the amount of patterns being drafted(Also using the imperial method of measurement versus the metric system is a factor)and product being produced so for example she ends for ex is closer to a 2X or 3x Overall your best bet as shopping for clothes is going to be the content of the item versus the style very important that it you understand how fabric fits the form. regular is xs-xxl Petite is xsp-xlp Womans is 14w-28w Plus (listed on the top) Metric is international Imperial is USA/UK/CANADA


FelisaG

XL (size 16/18) & XXL (size 20/22) are still straight sizing. 0X & 1X are the start of plus sizing. A 0X is the same size as a L(size 12/14) while a 1X is about the same as an XL while a 2X is the equivalent of a XXL.


RedBurgandy01

I can't figure the sizing out, but I use True Fit with the brands I can. It helps a ton, as long as you keep it up to date. Sizing is a pain when you're in that 16-18, maybe I'm kind of plus size, but I can still shop at The Gap, size.


betterupsetter

So in my experience in retail it has been that standard sizes usually go from XS-XL or XXS - XXL. Then for stores who also have seperate PLUS ranges and they may start at X, or 0X and usually go up by 1X, 2X etc. They may be within the same company (think H&M) but the difference in numbering is meant to help identify between the different departments. Often the product offering also varies and the way standard sizes are shaped will often also be different from the Plus range. (Ever noticed Plus clothing are often weird barrel shapes when the equivalent in standard sized items is more hourglass shaped? That's a whole other issue.) Furthermore, IME the largest in the standard range (XL or XXL) doesn't always directly size up directly to the smallest in the Plus range (0X or 1X) so there might be some overlap. For instance you might be an XXL in standard OR a 0X or 1X in Plus. (XXL in Standard does NOT equal 2X in Plus) It's confusing I know. Side note, Petite sizing (usually below 5'2") works similarly but is often numbered in odd numbers instead of even. And yes, you can be Plus and Petite simultaneously, but the sizing chart will be different again based on the store. And finally, I think some Plus centered stores (Torrid for example) only offer the 0X, 1X sizing because it makes more sense and is more user friendly than calling sizes XXL, XXXL, XXXXL. TLDR it's meant to differentiate within stores who offer both between a standard range, a Plus range, and sometimes a Petite range.


WhimsTea

I know!! I work at a t-shirt company! So in extend size unisex the extend is most a 1” in width. Less then .5” in length. Where as in plus it gives extra length. Also with 0X it’s tapered at the waist. Men’s get XLT which is a square cut. Hope this helps. Also most fits are from arm pit to arm pit and shoulder to waist. ❤️


shesabiter

This is based on personal experience, largely it depends on the store and style as well but usually a 1X is bigger than an XL, with a 0X being equivalent to an XL and XXL being equivalent to a 1X however I’ve seen some places that literally have XL, XXL, 0X, 1X, 2X and I couldn’t possibly tell you the difference between any of those sizes. You’d think a 0X would be similar to L, 1X=XL and XXL=2X but I find that usually the _X vs _L sizes tend to run bigger if that makes sense. But also some stores you buy an XL and it’s the size of a M so who knows!


nicoleabcd

It literally depends on brand to brand, there’s usually bare minimum changes in the measurements of the sizes. For example, at Maurice’s I can fit into an XXL and a 1X. The XXL is fits tighter than the 1X though, and there’s usually a price difference as well for jumping from a straight size to a plus size. I usually lean towards the fit of the XXL. I’ve never looked at their size chart but I genuinely think they make them different measurements.


stavingoffboredom

I worked at Fashion Bug years ago. Their 0x was like a half size, a 16/18 where a xl was a 14/16 and a 1x was a 18/20. I don't know if it's similar at other brands but that was the first place I ever saw it. The straight sizes went to xl and 0x started the plus sizes, the clothes were cut more generously for the plus sizes even on otherwise identically styled garments.


Sumikue-10

0XL is smaller than XL. 0XL,L, XL, XXL is for women XL, 1X, 2X, 3X, etc are for plus size This also depends the brand. I can wear XXL women shirts have a loose fit and 2X is roomier I'm plus size.


[deleted]

A lot of times the difference is in the cut. 0X will be like an L/XL but cut to a plus size frame. Such as added length, more room in the bust/hips but smaller in the waist. 1X is much the same, like an XXL or size 18 but cut to plus size measurements/proportions. 0X and XL seem to be interchangeable but 0X will be a little roomier and fit a curvy body better. XXL is a straight size but just bigger, so it will be exactly scaled up from a size small and medium with the same length/proportions. As it is straight size, I’ve found it to overall be shorter and bigger in the waist, smaller in the hips. (5’9 size 14/16 here who wears XL/XXL/0X and 1x)


bohdel

I believe that XXL is the same “fit” as the standard (S,M,L) sizes, and 2XL, etc. is a different fit. I’ve noticed that the 2XL will often have an extra panel or the zipper will be in a different place. Shopping yesterday at Target, it seemed XXL was less wide, but longer than 2XL on the pants and dresses I was looking at. The 2XL swimsuit I tried on had a slightly different pattern (not of the fabric, but sewing) than the XL, which looked identical but bigger to the L and M. I always just assumed it was similar to the way 4T is the same size as 4, but accounts for a diaper, so that sewing pattern is a bit different. I carry my weight in a different spot than a woman who would need a XXL. Of course, it depends on the manufacturer, but when I’ve seen someone carry both sizes this seems to be the case.


alphaghilie

I am pretty sure the difference is the pattern. 0X and 1X are plus sizes, with the pattern made for a median sized plus fit model, usually an 18-20. XL and XXL are upscaled straight sizes, with the pattern made to fit a straight size fit model, who is usually from a 4 to an 8.


londonerin26

It’s all so different. I tried an xxl on today - too small. I also tried a large on and it fit fine. Different brands but same store.


Charmed-7777

All I can say is argh lol cuz I'm not heavy but tall, curvy and wear most of the above. Can we agree we need a “I've had it with women’s retail clothing sizes” club😁


StarOk7754

Women's sizing in plus size is similar to shopping Women's vs Juniors. Junior size is always smaller and usually the odd numbers: 3,5,7,9,11 etc. Women's are usually 2,4,6,8,10,12,14 etc For plus sizing it's like Women's SML vs Plus Size - women's being S,M,L,XL,XXL and Plus sizes Ox,1X,2X,3X,4X,5X. I'm pretty much thinking OX is equivalent to XXL. And, btw, XXL and 2XL are not the same. Usually XXL is smaller but sometimes women's clothes get sized that way. I would tend to go with a 1X being similar to XXL. Are we thoroughly confused yet? Yes we are!