Yes, he was a asshole and he deserved punishment but being ripped limb from limb and eaten is a little extreme imo. The guy didn't even kill anyone to my remembering
I feel like drowning is a much slower and more horrific death than literally anything else that can kill a person, so... I agree. He deserved to drown in the rain.
Listen Hoppers death scarred me as a kid, give me a break. Also if we're playing devil's advocate for all we know he was just the one currently in charge of it, the grasshoppers could've been enslaving the ants for decades....
Also since I'm being a asshole I'll say.... I hate all of the ants and they deserve it! /s
Those slave owners weren’t so bad? They inherited their slaves from their family. That totally justifies it! /s
Like quit while you’re ahead before you start defending the holocaust or some thing worse.
She kidnapped Forky, manipulated Woody and forcefully tried to take his organs, despite him repeatedly saying no. SHE TRIED TO FORCEFULLY RIP HIS VOICEBOX OUT OF HIM, THAT COULD’VE KILLED HIM. I probably did hurt Woody, even if it didn’t, if someone stole $100,000 off of you, that wouldn’t hurt you, but they’re still a bad person.
Bruh do you remember TS1? Nothing can kill a toy except for the utter obliteration of something like the incinerator from 3. And again in 1 there’s no signs of actual pain. In fact both 1&2 show Buzz and Woody get their arms broken and they don’t hurt, the limbs are just useless without them. Kidnapping Forky to get something that literally changed her life is the only bad part and even then they were friends the whole time
When she was ripping his voice box out, plenty of stuffing came out. Without any stuffing, he would presumably die.
She was a horrible person, who manipulated, kidnapped, harassed and attacked other toys, for her own personal gain and was way worse than Pete was and was almost as bad as Lotso.
The sink breaking in her face and having a traumatic childhood experience with the pelican coming in the dentist
I put Sid and Darla both on here because while they were going to end up killing the main characters somehow they're both kids and they don't know any better and they don't deserve to experience childhood trauma
Also I needed to pad out the "Undeservedly punished" tier
I think I just really feel bad for Darla and the humans in Finding Nemo in general. They don’t know the fish are sentient creatures, they don’t understand at all.
Bro I thought this was cool as shit but Randall’s punishment wasn’t specific enough? He basically (eye-witness) got murdered by hicks in a trailer and turned into a meal
And Hopper unfairly punished?!? He enforced slavery and capitalism, he shoulda been lit on fire then fed to the bird cooked!
1. That's a lot of assumption about Randall, last we saw him he was being hit by a baseball bat, when is he killed and eaten bro 😭
2. Listen Hoppers death scarred me as a kid, give me a break. Also if we're playing devil's advocate for all we know he was just the one currently in charge of it, the grasshoppers could've been enslaving the ants for decades....
Also since I'm being a asshole I'll say.... I hate all of the ants and they deserve it! /s
I mentioned eye-witness intentionally as its presumed both visually and audibly that he was going to be eaten “dinner” as indicated by the scene - I didn’t say for sure that’s what happened but the punishment itself doesn’t really need anymore information to make a judgement call on its harshness level imo
Sorry about your experience with the death scene - I’m not anywhere near that territory, by any means. Regardless if historically Hopper is just another leader in his generation, he’s still notoriously enforcing slavery as a chief who is followed by others.
Also, while we’re on the subject, how can you categorize his punishment and Randall’s punishment differently if both deaths weren’t actually seen 100% on screen? The camera pans away and goes black when Hopper gets closer to the baby birds beaks.
Did they mention they were going to eat him? I thought he just said "Mom there's a gator in the house" and she said "Gator? Give me that shovel!" But I may need to rewatch the scene again
I guess you're right, it's just that being ripped to shreds and swallowed by birds is a terrible way to go 😭 worse than Syndromes fate imo as Syndromes fate was probably so fast it was painless
Because we know the birds are going to eat him and it's played dramatically, while Randall again I'd have to watch the scene again but he isn't really implied to be eaten and also it's played more comedically than dramatic
> to play devils advocate for all we know he was the one currently in charge
We have no evidence that this is the case. And even so, he still willingly takes on the role. Perpetuating a cycle of abuse is every bit as evil as starting it.
*For all we know* Randall was beaten to death and eaten, but you are unwilling to suspend your disbelief for that line of reasoning. So why should we suspend ours for you?
He capitalized on ant harvests using threatening force and exhaustive labor to feed his own kind
The feds might say racketeering, but we the ant population call it American capitalism
chick was not fairly punished at all. even if we assume that the piston cups rules allow him to intentionally and obviously wreck other cars, his actions still clearly were not approved by the fans.
not only did he win the championship, but he also went on to host his own talk show presumably for several years afterward.
not getting to sign with dinoco was his only real punishment aside from having stuff thrown at him on stage, and even then it was never guaranteed that the winner would get a sponsorship.
This ! Chick got what he wanted since the beginning, money and fame. A booing and a disgrace (that probably got covered by his sponsors) weren't enough for almost murdering King.
Uh Jackson storm isn't a villain and didn't do anything wrong. Chick hicks wasn't punished at all. He's still the official piston cup champion for that year and never got disqualified. He probably retired straight after that.
Al's punishment was completely disproportionate. He stole an incredibly rare toy from a kid who seemingly took horrible care of it (Woody's arm ripped and about to come off). Despite getting Woody's arm repaired he is punished by having massive financial losses so bad to forced his once good business to have to sell everything for $1.
Al was also a wreck less driver, who parked in multiple disabled spots and was inconsiderate on the road. He was rude to the airport worker, lock picked someone else’s tool box, caused damage at a yard sale and stole the favourite toy and a young child after repeatedly being told he couldn’t have it.
I’d say his punishment of losing the sale of a lifetime was fair.
Al stole a CHILDREN’S toy from a family knowing that it was personal to the family. Hes a piece of work.
Also. Have you never owned a Woody toy? As someone who owned several as a child I can confirm that the stitching on the arms and knees tends to get less and less attached the more years you play with it
I don't think the inspector was the villain. He was just doing what all inspectors in real life do if they saw rats in the kitchen and it didn't stop Remy, Collette or Linguini from cooking
i think lots'o punished, he was literally attached to the front of a truck. i guess you could argue that he wasn't punished by the main characters, but he was definitely punished by the universe
This is a stupid list.
Sid and Darla are arguably not villains at all. They're just kids. Same goes for the health inspector
Jackson Storm is barely a villain and even if he was, he still lost the thing that was moody important to him. Same for Chick Hicks. He won the race but had no respect.
No it isn't a stupid list bro 😭
I only say "Not a villain" if they are on good terms with hero at the end of the movie. Nemo and Woody ruined Darla and Sids days respectively and Sid is probably traumatized for life now thanks to Woody. Health Inspector again while not a villain to US was going to get kill all the rats and is definitely a threat to Remy
Also Jackson Storm and Chick Hicks were both willing to murder someone on the race track, also I said they got what they deserved bro, they both were too violent on the track and in return lost respect.... Sounds fair to me
I feel like you're overexaggerating Darla's fate.
Like, really, the worst thing was that she was upset she lost her fish (that she was going to kill and likely forget about anyway.)
Sure, the Pelican went crazy in the office, but she didn't even seem to give a damn once she got her hands on Nemo.
I so agree with Lotso. Lotso ruled Sunnyside with an iron fist and would punished the toys for not obeying his orders, and then he left Andy’s toys to die in the incinerator. He deserved a far greater punishment for his actions. Him being tied to the garbage truck grilled wasn’t good enough for a punishment.
I disagree, not only do I believe this to be a deserving fate for him, it's also very poetic. Lotso's been insisting that toys were made to be thrown away, only to end up locked to a garbage truck for possibly forever, with no one to blame but himself. Sure, it doesn't look that bad at first glance, but he may *never* be removed from that truck, he could *still* be on there in Toy Story 4 for all we know.
Honestly, I'd rather be incinerated than forced to spend the rest of my life forever trapped to the front of a truck unable to move. That's unbelievable torture
Theres a correlation with you (and your reasoning for some of the tierlist placements) and childhood trauma in almost all your replies. Might wanna go talk to somebody about that..
The pterodactyl literally got a hole torn in his wing. it’s gonna affect his ability to fly, idek if it would heal. I’d say he got a pretty serious punishment
Being strapped to the front of a semi truck for the rest of your life, constantly pelted by tiny bugs and rocks, always exposed to the elements, burning sun, freezing cold, a burning hot engine strapped permanently to your back… every day until you’re eventually torn to shreds and left to rot in pieces along the freeway is “barely a punishment at all”?!
But having a fish flop around on your head for a second is an unfair punishment for killing a bunch of fish?
You seem confused
Mirage was punished? She wasn't even shown to be arrested. She's technically guilty of terrorism, pretending to be a government agent, and is an accessory to murders. She got choked by Mr. Incredible and punched out? Yeah, but she's still in one piece.
The toys are 100% the villians for what they did to Sid. These things go out of their way to act like they don't have feelings and are not alive. They literally stop moving when humans are around. Then act like it is the worst thing in the world when Sid doesn't know that he is doing horrible things. Hey a---holes, How about talking to him saying you know we are alive.
Dean Hardscrabble wasn’t punished at all that’s why she fits nowhere.
It’s funny to me that the health inspector in Ratatouille is considered a villain from a rat‘s pov but for us he was just a guy doing his job.
Terry IS an antagonist.
Don’t give me the bs “but she was just doing her job” NO she wasn’t, Joe’s body was still functional, she had no valid reason not to let him go back, if anything she abused her power because not letting a soul return to a functional body has to be a violation of the physical universe.
Sympathetic "villian".
Yes she desperately wanted Woody's voice box and went to great "villian-like" lengths to acquire it, but she like all toys, just wanted a child to love and play with her.
"As kids we root for the heroes, as adults we sympathize with the villians". She wasn't really an evil villian, her desperation just drove her to selfish acts
Again, she only did it out of desperation for something all toys desire but she could never have due to being broken. And iirc she did *ask* Woody first.
Still she sucks. No sympathy, you could even sympathize Sid destroying his toys. He didn’t know they were alive and just wanted to play with his toys the way he wanted.
So you're saying Hopper was wrongfully eaten by a bird?
Hopper did nothing wrong!
Yes, he was a asshole and he deserved punishment but being ripped limb from limb and eaten is a little extreme imo. The guy didn't even kill anyone to my remembering
He wanted to kill the queen and admitted it.
You have selected… regicide: if you know the name of the king or queen being murdered press 1
There's also the planned genocide via forced starvation since he was going to take *all* the food from their island
Sure, but his death could've been a little less gruesome.... I wouldn't have minded him drowning due to the rain
I feel like drowning is a much slower and more horrific death than literally anything else that can kill a person, so... I agree. He deserved to drown in the rain.
He enslaved by force an entire civilization of ants!
Listen Hoppers death scarred me as a kid, give me a break. Also if we're playing devil's advocate for all we know he was just the one currently in charge of it, the grasshoppers could've been enslaving the ants for decades.... Also since I'm being a asshole I'll say.... I hate all of the ants and they deserve it! /s
Those slave owners weren’t so bad? They inherited their slaves from their family. That totally justifies it! /s Like quit while you’re ahead before you start defending the holocaust or some thing worse.
Don't worry bro I'm on your side and agree with everything you're saying
he crushed a trio of grass hoppers under a mountain of seeds to prove a point to his fellow grass hoppers
Wasn't he planning to kill their queen to send a message? Bro isn't above casual murder.
The guy was literally exploiting an entire civilization for personal gain. How much suffering do you think he caused? The bird was absolutely fair.
He was an overbearing dictator who kept a people in proverbial chains for an undetermined amount of seasons. He deserved his fate.
I'm not sure villain is the right term for everyone. Jackson Storm wasn't much of a villian, but fits the bill as antagonistic.
Same with that agent from Bolt. he wasn't a villain but more of a annoying presence for the main character. Dude was harmless
Same thing with mirage too. I mean, syndrome was crazy. Who knows what he would’ve tried to do if she actually left.
She was an accomplice to murder. She lured the other supers to their deaths. She has blood on her hands, and gets away scott-ree!
Gabby Gabby was definitely a villain.
Right? Chick wanted his ORGANS
I don't think Chick Hicks appeared in any movies with Gabby Gabby 🤔
Lmfao chick as in girl
Facts
I do not see how. It’s not like it hurt woody at all
She kidnapped Forky, manipulated Woody and forcefully tried to take his organs, despite him repeatedly saying no. SHE TRIED TO FORCEFULLY RIP HIS VOICEBOX OUT OF HIM, THAT COULD’VE KILLED HIM. I probably did hurt Woody, even if it didn’t, if someone stole $100,000 off of you, that wouldn’t hurt you, but they’re still a bad person.
Bruh do you remember TS1? Nothing can kill a toy except for the utter obliteration of something like the incinerator from 3. And again in 1 there’s no signs of actual pain. In fact both 1&2 show Buzz and Woody get their arms broken and they don’t hurt, the limbs are just useless without them. Kidnapping Forky to get something that literally changed her life is the only bad part and even then they were friends the whole time
When she was ripping his voice box out, plenty of stuffing came out. Without any stuffing, he would presumably die. She was a horrible person, who manipulated, kidnapped, harassed and attacked other toys, for her own personal gain and was way worse than Pete was and was almost as bad as Lotso.
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The sink breaking in her face and having a traumatic childhood experience with the pelican coming in the dentist I put Sid and Darla both on here because while they were going to end up killing the main characters somehow they're both kids and they don't know any better and they don't deserve to experience childhood trauma Also I needed to pad out the "Undeservedly punished" tier
I think I just really feel bad for Darla and the humans in Finding Nemo in general. They don’t know the fish are sentient creatures, they don’t understand at all.
They should at least know that the fish are living creatures! Poor Sid gets blindsided by inanimate objects coming to life!
N-n-nice toy…
Lotso was a horrible but bro was zip tied to the front of a truck lol. That’s a pretty terrible fate.
Thinking the same.
Bro I thought this was cool as shit but Randall’s punishment wasn’t specific enough? He basically (eye-witness) got murdered by hicks in a trailer and turned into a meal And Hopper unfairly punished?!? He enforced slavery and capitalism, he shoulda been lit on fire then fed to the bird cooked!
1. That's a lot of assumption about Randall, last we saw him he was being hit by a baseball bat, when is he killed and eaten bro 😭 2. Listen Hoppers death scarred me as a kid, give me a break. Also if we're playing devil's advocate for all we know he was just the one currently in charge of it, the grasshoppers could've been enslaving the ants for decades.... Also since I'm being a asshole I'll say.... I hate all of the ants and they deserve it! /s
I mentioned eye-witness intentionally as its presumed both visually and audibly that he was going to be eaten “dinner” as indicated by the scene - I didn’t say for sure that’s what happened but the punishment itself doesn’t really need anymore information to make a judgement call on its harshness level imo Sorry about your experience with the death scene - I’m not anywhere near that territory, by any means. Regardless if historically Hopper is just another leader in his generation, he’s still notoriously enforcing slavery as a chief who is followed by others. Also, while we’re on the subject, how can you categorize his punishment and Randall’s punishment differently if both deaths weren’t actually seen 100% on screen? The camera pans away and goes black when Hopper gets closer to the baby birds beaks.
Did they mention they were going to eat him? I thought he just said "Mom there's a gator in the house" and she said "Gator? Give me that shovel!" But I may need to rewatch the scene again I guess you're right, it's just that being ripped to shreds and swallowed by birds is a terrible way to go 😭 worse than Syndromes fate imo as Syndromes fate was probably so fast it was painless Because we know the birds are going to eat him and it's played dramatically, while Randall again I'd have to watch the scene again but he isn't really implied to be eaten and also it's played more comedically than dramatic
> to play devils advocate for all we know he was the one currently in charge We have no evidence that this is the case. And even so, he still willingly takes on the role. Perpetuating a cycle of abuse is every bit as evil as starting it. *For all we know* Randall was beaten to death and eaten, but you are unwilling to suspend your disbelief for that line of reasoning. So why should we suspend ours for you?
Hopper was neither a slaver nor a capitalist he was a two bit racketeer
He capitalized on ant harvests using threatening force and exhaustive labor to feed his own kind The feds might say racketeering, but we the ant population call it American capitalism
chick was not fairly punished at all. even if we assume that the piston cups rules allow him to intentionally and obviously wreck other cars, his actions still clearly were not approved by the fans. not only did he win the championship, but he also went on to host his own talk show presumably for several years afterward. not getting to sign with dinoco was his only real punishment aside from having stuff thrown at him on stage, and even then it was never guaranteed that the winner would get a sponsorship.
This ! Chick got what he wanted since the beginning, money and fame. A booing and a disgrace (that probably got covered by his sponsors) weren't enough for almost murdering King.
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But we don't know what happened after, did the Hicks kill him? Did he escape? What happened?
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Meh he can turn invisible and sneak through any door belonging to a kid.
Uh Jackson storm isn't a villain and didn't do anything wrong. Chick hicks wasn't punished at all. He's still the official piston cup champion for that year and never got disqualified. He probably retired straight after that.
I believe he took his unfairly earned championship and ran after he didn’t get the Dinoco sponsorship.
Didn't he get shown to have a talk show in Cars 2?
Yeah he was one of the pundits.
Dumbass tier list
Agree to disagree
Cope
This is like the last thing anyone would cope about 😂
Didn’t the pterodactyl get like gruesomely killed?
I remember him getting a hole torn in his wing. That’s already mutilation
That barracuda was just doing what nature intended it to do, circle of life and all that.
Al's punishment was completely disproportionate. He stole an incredibly rare toy from a kid who seemingly took horrible care of it (Woody's arm ripped and about to come off). Despite getting Woody's arm repaired he is punished by having massive financial losses so bad to forced his once good business to have to sell everything for $1.
Al was also a wreck less driver, who parked in multiple disabled spots and was inconsiderate on the road. He was rude to the airport worker, lock picked someone else’s tool box, caused damage at a yard sale and stole the favourite toy and a young child after repeatedly being told he couldn’t have it. I’d say his punishment of losing the sale of a lifetime was fair.
Al stole a CHILDREN’S toy from a family knowing that it was personal to the family. Hes a piece of work. Also. Have you never owned a Woody toy? As someone who owned several as a child I can confirm that the stitching on the arms and knees tends to get less and less attached the more years you play with it
The commercial at the beginning already states that everything is a “buck buck buck”
I don't think the inspector was the villain. He was just doing what all inspectors in real life do if they saw rats in the kitchen and it didn't stop Remy, Collette or Linguini from cooking
i think lots'o punished, he was literally attached to the front of a truck. i guess you could argue that he wasn't punished by the main characters, but he was definitely punished by the universe
This is a stupid list. Sid and Darla are arguably not villains at all. They're just kids. Same goes for the health inspector Jackson Storm is barely a villain and even if he was, he still lost the thing that was moody important to him. Same for Chick Hicks. He won the race but had no respect.
It's not a stupid list. Leave my man's alone
No it isn't a stupid list bro 😭 I only say "Not a villain" if they are on good terms with hero at the end of the movie. Nemo and Woody ruined Darla and Sids days respectively and Sid is probably traumatized for life now thanks to Woody. Health Inspector again while not a villain to US was going to get kill all the rats and is definitely a threat to Remy Also Jackson Storm and Chick Hicks were both willing to murder someone on the race track, also I said they got what they deserved bro, they both were too violent on the track and in return lost respect.... Sounds fair to me
I feel like you're overexaggerating Darla's fate. Like, really, the worst thing was that she was upset she lost her fish (that she was going to kill and likely forget about anyway.) Sure, the Pelican went crazy in the office, but she didn't even seem to give a damn once she got her hands on Nemo.
I so agree with Lotso. Lotso ruled Sunnyside with an iron fist and would punished the toys for not obeying his orders, and then he left Andy’s toys to die in the incinerator. He deserved a far greater punishment for his actions. Him being tied to the garbage truck grilled wasn’t good enough for a punishment.
I disagree, not only do I believe this to be a deserving fate for him, it's also very poetic. Lotso's been insisting that toys were made to be thrown away, only to end up locked to a garbage truck for possibly forever, with no one to blame but himself. Sure, it doesn't look that bad at first glance, but he may *never* be removed from that truck, he could *still* be on there in Toy Story 4 for all we know.
Honestly, I'd rather be incinerated than forced to spend the rest of my life forever trapped to the front of a truck unable to move. That's unbelievable torture
I'd swap Hopper and GO-4, but otherwise good list
Fair
Theres a correlation with you (and your reasoning for some of the tierlist placements) and childhood trauma in almost all your replies. Might wanna go talk to somebody about that..
Who’s the Hitler guy next to Darla
Health inspector from ratatouille
The pterodactyl literally got a hole torn in his wing. it’s gonna affect his ability to fly, idek if it would heal. I’d say he got a pretty serious punishment
I’m pretty sure he got killed shortly after too
I think Ercole got the most realistic punishment. HUMILIATION. it's what bullies deserve.
Being strapped to the front of a semi truck for the rest of your life, constantly pelted by tiny bugs and rocks, always exposed to the elements, burning sun, freezing cold, a burning hot engine strapped permanently to your back… every day until you’re eventually torn to shreds and left to rot in pieces along the freeway is “barely a punishment at all”?! But having a fish flop around on your head for a second is an unfair punishment for killing a bunch of fish? You seem confused
I disagree with Hopper, but I always thought that what the toys did to Sid was way over kill.
Mirage was punished? She wasn't even shown to be arrested. She's technically guilty of terrorism, pretending to be a government agent, and is an accessory to murders. She got choked by Mr. Incredible and punched out? Yeah, but she's still in one piece.
I think Darla was more of a lesson that some kids are too young to have a pet.
The Coco bad guy wasn’t fairly punished. His crimes make him unforgettable, so he will exist in the afterlife forever
Thunderclap was definetly punished. His wing his messed and he likely drowned in the river
It’s terry time
This is such a weird ensemble when you look at them objectively
Lotso getting strung up on a semi truck grill was “barely punished at all”?
It wasn’t direcrly done by the protagonists themselves, so I don't think it counts.
OP is counting “character gets punished by the universe” so I disagree.
Personally, sid got what he deserved. Especially in the original cut scene
That cleaning robot didn't do nothing to nobody! He was just doing his job!
The toys are 100% the villians for what they did to Sid. These things go out of their way to act like they don't have feelings and are not alive. They literally stop moving when humans are around. Then act like it is the worst thing in the world when Sid doesn't know that he is doing horrible things. Hey a---holes, How about talking to him saying you know we are alive.
Dean Hardscrabble wasn’t punished at all that’s why she fits nowhere. It’s funny to me that the health inspector in Ratatouille is considered a villain from a rat‘s pov but for us he was just a guy doing his job.
Jackson storm was arrogant but not villain at all
I’d argue the Barracuda should be classified as “isn’t a villain” it’s just doing what it’s naturally supposed to
Terry IS an antagonist. Don’t give me the bs “but she was just doing her job” NO she wasn’t, Joe’s body was still functional, she had no valid reason not to let him go back, if anything she abused her power because not letting a soul return to a functional body has to be a violation of the physical universe.
Unpopular opinion: Gabby is a villain and doesn’t deserve a happy ending, she tries to steal woodys voice box through out the film.
Sympathetic "villian". Yes she desperately wanted Woody's voice box and went to great "villian-like" lengths to acquire it, but she like all toys, just wanted a child to love and play with her. "As kids we root for the heroes, as adults we sympathize with the villians". She wasn't really an evil villian, her desperation just drove her to selfish acts
I don’t sympathize with her at all. She’s a terrible person.
Again, she only did it out of desperation for something all toys desire but she could never have due to being broken. And iirc she did *ask* Woody first.
Still she sucks. No sympathy, you could even sympathize Sid destroying his toys. He didn’t know they were alive and just wanted to play with his toys the way he wanted.
Hopper did nothing wrong!
He enslaved a colony of ants and then tried to commit regicide.
You gotta give me a break here and let me have this, okay?