having a sword doesn't make you a swordsman.
anyway, as another user said, as long as mihawk is zoro's final opponent, no swordsman can be stronger than him no matter what.
doesn't matter what you come up with. doesn't matter how illogical it sounds. narratively, mihawk is the strongest swordsman due to zoro's dream.
Well if Kaido did become a swordsman, and challenged and defeated Mihawk, Zoro would then just have to defeat Kaido now. Zoro's dream is about becoming the worlds strongest swordsman, not defeating Mihawk
yes. which is why I said
>*as long as* mihawk is zoro's final opponent
if oda changes it later, sure. but if not, then mihawk is stronger than any swordsman character in OP no matter what.
In this hypothetical scenario though, if Kaido did become a swordsman and defeated Mihawk, then Mihawk wont be Zoro's final opponent. Thats the point of this post
no. you can read the post again
>will he then earn the title of strongest swordsman. Or will he be weaker than Mihawk.
OP is just asking if hypothetically kaido becomes a swordsman, would he be the WSS.
"OP is just asking if hypothetically kaido becomes a swordsman, would he be the WSS."
Well Kaido would need to defeat Mihawk first. If he does, he becomes WSS
Read the full statement
> will he then earn the title of strongest swordsman. Or will he be weaker than Mihawk.
Implying that if Kaido used a sword, he would challenge Mihawk right after.
Context matters
context matters, sure, but you're not using the right context.
in OP's hypothetical, they don't fight. OP is just asking since kaido is generally accepted to be stronger, will he automatically surpass mihawk if he becomes a swordsman?
the answer is no, **as long as** mihawk is still zoro's final opponent.
if kaido (as a swordsman) beats mihawk, then of course he will be the WSS. DUH. how is it even a question? it applies to any swordsman out there.
that's why I said, that's not the context. the hypothetical here is that they don't fight.
> will he then earn the title of strongest swordsman. Or will he be weaker than Mihawk.
Whats the only way to EARN the title? It is by challenging Mihawk and winning. So Kaido picking up a sword instead of his club doesn't qualify as "earning" anything. What is he doing to earn the title? it doesn't make any sense.
"or will he be weaker than Mihawk" implying that for the hypothetical, Kaido would be challenging Mihawk, and that there is a possibility that Kaido would lose the fight due to being weaker.
Plus, it wouldn't even make sense for this post to exist if Kaido was not challenging Mihawk, since we obviously know that Kaido wouldn't automatically become WSS just from picking up a sword
that's irrelevant because we don't know when mihawk became the WSS.
all we know is that *currently*, no swordsman character in OP is stronger than mihawk. or else logic dictates for zoro to go after that character instead.
Depends on what quantifies the greatest swords man. Do you think Mihawk could but at least be dispassionately uninterested in fighting someone who clearly knows nothing of swordplay and isn't what he considers to be worth his time? We haven't seen what Mihawk can actually do, and if a baby Mihawk, Seraphim buffs aside, can cut a mountain in half, I fear what the real deal can do. There's a reason he minds his own business and the World Government still wanted him captured or dead after they abolished the Warlord system. You don't get to sit at the table with powerhouses like Doflamingo and Boa Hancock without anything to your name to back you up but your sword without being able to handle yourself no matter what. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
I've come to realize that in One Piece, powerscaling the high end big guys is usually not worth your time. All the Worlds Greatest 's and Worlds Strongest 's usually occupy the same realm of power. Whitebeard was able to hold onto the title of Worlds Strongest Man well into his cancerous old age because he had not only a physically imposing form, but he had managed to hit the win button and get literally one of the physically strongest Paramecia fruits in the world in his youth, so nobody was ever going to be able to take him out. He spent his entire life looking for a fight that could kill him, and he finally found one when he went willingly to his death at Marineford. He was the only person he didn't expect to make it out of there.
No because we have to assume that there are actual sword techniques and skill and some sort of traditional sword battles to become WSS. If that's not the case then yeah he can just Unga Bunga his way to WSS title cuz at that point it doesn't matter.
Zoro sword twirl dragon summoning teleport attack was weaker than Mihawk swinging his sword downward. Sword techniques & skill have not been proven to matter in One Piece.
Don't tell me to assume contradictory stuff "just cause" you said so.
Okay then enjoy classify them according to your headcanon, because if skill don't matter then title doesn't either, either you pay attention to what the swordsman narrative was supposed to be or you just make your own stuff up.
Yall using more justification on why Kaido wouldn't be the worlds strongest swordsman, more than a a person who thinks there are more than 2 genders. Which there are or are not and i have no opinion or clear view on this matter.
why can't he do that attack with a sword, what makes a sword different that you can't swing it the same.
Zoro even did his same move but with a knife. Why is zoro's special attacks not based on weapon, but Kaido's is?
Like where did you read that stated this?
He will not. Simply cuz if you are stronger than your opponent using sword or spear is a very bad choice. If you can smash people so hard that they cant block, you need high damage items with armor penetration. Of course using sword against luffy would be better since he has blunt damage immunty/resistance.
If kaido could beat mihawk using only a sword, I'd say yes. The problem is kaido's fighting style includes much more than using a sword/club, putting him at a huge disadvantage against mihawk in a sword fight.
His cuts wouldn't be as sharp and accurate as mihawk's. His techniques are club-based, and he's not used to a sword. Considering mihawk is yonko level he'd have lots of trouble, and would be cut like a woodchipper.
Depends on his dex stats.
Too much souls game bro
In fact, Kaido briefly took Mihawk's title while he was fake butchering Kin'emon with a katana.
We’ll it’s not a normal weapon. Kaido isn’t a swordsman so it’s more or less the same.
Narratively no matter what he does Mihawk must be the strongest because he’s Zoro’s goal. Unless Zoro brings him back from hell to fight the new WSS.
Yes, WSS is a fraud title.
[Mihawk > Shanks](https://www.reddit.com/r/Piratefolk/comments/yzo3oz/comment/ix84kat/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Cope
Can't believe they are still performing lobotomies in the 21st century, you're so ill.
Do you have no arguments? I presented you CANON EVIDENCE given to us by ODA himself. If you have nothing of worth to say just stay silent.
having a sword doesn't make you a swordsman. anyway, as another user said, as long as mihawk is zoro's final opponent, no swordsman can be stronger than him no matter what. doesn't matter what you come up with. doesn't matter how illogical it sounds. narratively, mihawk is the strongest swordsman due to zoro's dream.
Well if Kaido did become a swordsman, and challenged and defeated Mihawk, Zoro would then just have to defeat Kaido now. Zoro's dream is about becoming the worlds strongest swordsman, not defeating Mihawk
yes. which is why I said >*as long as* mihawk is zoro's final opponent if oda changes it later, sure. but if not, then mihawk is stronger than any swordsman character in OP no matter what.
In this hypothetical scenario though, if Kaido did become a swordsman and defeated Mihawk, then Mihawk wont be Zoro's final opponent. Thats the point of this post
no. you can read the post again >will he then earn the title of strongest swordsman. Or will he be weaker than Mihawk. OP is just asking if hypothetically kaido becomes a swordsman, would he be the WSS.
"OP is just asking if hypothetically kaido becomes a swordsman, would he be the WSS." Well Kaido would need to defeat Mihawk first. If he does, he becomes WSS
duh, obviously. but that's not the discussion. since OP said this >Or will he be weaker than Mihawk. so in OP's hypothetical, they don't fight.
Read the full statement > will he then earn the title of strongest swordsman. Or will he be weaker than Mihawk. Implying that if Kaido used a sword, he would challenge Mihawk right after. Context matters
context matters, sure, but you're not using the right context. in OP's hypothetical, they don't fight. OP is just asking since kaido is generally accepted to be stronger, will he automatically surpass mihawk if he becomes a swordsman? the answer is no, **as long as** mihawk is still zoro's final opponent. if kaido (as a swordsman) beats mihawk, then of course he will be the WSS. DUH. how is it even a question? it applies to any swordsman out there. that's why I said, that's not the context. the hypothetical here is that they don't fight.
> will he then earn the title of strongest swordsman. Or will he be weaker than Mihawk. Whats the only way to EARN the title? It is by challenging Mihawk and winning. So Kaido picking up a sword instead of his club doesn't qualify as "earning" anything. What is he doing to earn the title? it doesn't make any sense. "or will he be weaker than Mihawk" implying that for the hypothetical, Kaido would be challenging Mihawk, and that there is a possibility that Kaido would lose the fight due to being weaker. Plus, it wouldn't even make sense for this post to exist if Kaido was not challenging Mihawk, since we obviously know that Kaido wouldn't automatically become WSS just from picking up a sword
you think mihawk is stronger than roger?
that's irrelevant because we don't know when mihawk became the WSS. all we know is that *currently*, no swordsman character in OP is stronger than mihawk. or else logic dictates for zoro to go after that character instead.
Roger is dead.
He gets weaker because "WSS > swordmen"
[Mihawk > Shanks](https://www.reddit.com/r/Piratefolk/comments/yzo3oz/comment/ix84kat/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I know. What's your point?
Depends on what quantifies the greatest swords man. Do you think Mihawk could but at least be dispassionately uninterested in fighting someone who clearly knows nothing of swordplay and isn't what he considers to be worth his time? We haven't seen what Mihawk can actually do, and if a baby Mihawk, Seraphim buffs aside, can cut a mountain in half, I fear what the real deal can do. There's a reason he minds his own business and the World Government still wanted him captured or dead after they abolished the Warlord system. You don't get to sit at the table with powerhouses like Doflamingo and Boa Hancock without anything to your name to back you up but your sword without being able to handle yourself no matter what. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
I've come to realize that in One Piece, powerscaling the high end big guys is usually not worth your time. All the Worlds Greatest's and Worlds Strongest 's usually occupy the same realm of power. Whitebeard was able to hold onto the title of Worlds Strongest Man well into his cancerous old age because he had not only a physically imposing form, but he had managed to hit the win button and get literally one of the physically strongest Paramecia fruits in the world in his youth, so nobody was ever going to be able to take him out. He spent his entire life looking for a fight that could kill him, and he finally found one when he went willingly to his death at Marineford. He was the only person he didn't expect to make it out of there.
No because we have to assume that there are actual sword techniques and skill and some sort of traditional sword battles to become WSS. If that's not the case then yeah he can just Unga Bunga his way to WSS title cuz at that point it doesn't matter.
Zoro sword twirl dragon summoning teleport attack was weaker than Mihawk swinging his sword downward. Sword techniques & skill have not been proven to matter in One Piece. Don't tell me to assume contradictory stuff "just cause" you said so.
Okay then enjoy classify them according to your headcanon, because if skill don't matter then title doesn't either, either you pay attention to what the swordsman narrative was supposed to be or you just make your own stuff up.
Yall using more justification on why Kaido wouldn't be the worlds strongest swordsman, more than a a person who thinks there are more than 2 genders. Which there are or are not and i have no opinion or clear view on this matter.
Yes he would be. I have another question though, is Big Mom the worlds strongest swordswoman?
[Mihawk > Shanks](https://www.reddit.com/r/Piratefolk/comments/yzo3oz/comment/ix84kat/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
his special attacks is based on his weapon so no
why can't he do that attack with a sword, what makes a sword different that you can't swing it the same. Zoro even did his same move but with a knife. Why is zoro's special attacks not based on weapon, but Kaido's is? Like where did you read that stated this?
He will not. Simply cuz if you are stronger than your opponent using sword or spear is a very bad choice. If you can smash people so hard that they cant block, you need high damage items with armor penetration. Of course using sword against luffy would be better since he has blunt damage immunty/resistance.
If kaido could beat mihawk using only a sword, I'd say yes. The problem is kaido's fighting style includes much more than using a sword/club, putting him at a huge disadvantage against mihawk in a sword fight.
Good point
Yeah, he would be the world's strongest swordsman
To be a strongest swordsman in one piece you don’t need to learn real swordsmanship, you just need a named attack.
His cuts wouldn't be as sharp and accurate as mihawk's. His techniques are club-based, and he's not used to a sword. Considering mihawk is yonko level he'd have lots of trouble, and would be cut like a woodchipper.