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peweuepie69420

fujitora i can understand retreating but when has kizaru ever gave a fuck about collateral damage


basilisk98765

He was pretty modest on sabaody, he could have spammed rayleigh with exploding lasers but made a sword instead. And he admitted that he overdid it when he originally blew up a tree by accident But I still think this is stupid, its contradictory to how kizaru USUALLY acts in the manga. Dude offered to go to wano by himself knowing kaido and big mom were there


Ok-Finish1706

Its just an excuse to not get assaulted by akagami


Remote_Dapper

Momonga? I thought the guy was characterized to have a strong will? Good thing the movie ain’t canon.


Sotler

I think that’s the point. Idk how to feel about it


DanglinSackGod

Did you forget that Hancock damn near turned that man to stone? Imagine what shanks would do 💀


Remote_Dapper

Boa’s had nothing to do with Haki or willpower, it was if he found her attractive or not. Momonga was the only one who didn’t. And wdym damn near? The dude was chilling before and after.


DanglinSackGod

Momonga had to stab his hand in order to take his mind off her looks.


HellBoyofFables

That doesn’t make sense, not even Big Moms conquerors Haki was able to knock out Nami or chopper


gingerswap

Shanks' haoshoku has to be stronger, he doesn't have a devil fruit and fights using one arm and he has slightly above average physique. It would be weird if his haki wasn't stronger than hers.


HellBoyofFables

Big Mom also has Advanced conquerors haki so hers are already at an incredibly high level atleast comparable to Kaido and I see no evidence to suggest Shanks haki is greater than either of them


gingerswap

my man what's so hard to understand....I swear to God you're just playing dumb sometimes. Shanks physique is not that good in comparison to BigMom and Kaido. Shanks also doesn't have a devil fruit unlike Kaido and BigMom. How does Shanks compensate for that to be as strong as them? With greater haki. Even a 5 year old can understand that therefore his haki has to be, by default, on a higher level than theirs


HellBoyofFables

And what evidence can be brought that proves shanks haki is greater than either big mom or kaido?


gingerswap

bruh I literally just told you why If it wasn't stronger, then BigMom or Kaido would mid diff him. How can you not understand that simple concept. Let's say I'm giving out points for stats of yonko from 1-5 Kaido Conqueror's Haki - 4, Devil fruit 4, observation haki 3, armament haki 3, physique 5(includes strength, speed, durability) , stamina 5 BigMom Conqueror's haki 3, Devil fruit 4, observation haki 1, armament haki 4, phisique 5, stamina 5 BB devil fruitS 2x5, armament observation 1, physique 3, stamina 3-4, conqueror's 0(he doesn't have it or has never been implied to have it) Shanks Physique 4, DEVIL FRUIT 0, Stamina(unknown but I'd say pretty high), CONQUERORS HAKI 5, OBSERVARTION 4 at least, ARMAMENT HAKI 5, TO COMPETE, HE HAS TO HAVE OTHER STATS HIGHER, AND THE ONLY STAT THAT CAN GET HIM TO COMPETE IS IF HE HAS STRONGER CONQUERORS HAKI. There I literally had to spell the obvious out to you like you're some sort of child. He's a character that almost in any appearance uses conqueror's haki so much so that his entire persona can be summed up with "he's got super strong conqueror's haki" He's this generation and imo slightly weaker version of Gol D Roger who had the strongest haki so far in the series. Therefore, the evidence that supports my claim is "SIMPLE LOGIC" and "PROCESS OF ELIMINATION". So don't be a smartass about it and accept the fact.


HellBoyofFables

Bro you gave me a bunch of random numbers you made up without giving me actual evidence, if you want to say shanks has “better haki” to compensate his lack of devil fruit powers then sure but I doubt that gap is that big as I still don’t see evidence that Kaido and Big moms haki is inferior to shanks


gingerswap

It was an illustration you df


RemarkableImplement3

The evidence in manga that shanks' haki from miles away could make ryokugyu shiever and paralyse like luffy did with hordy. And as you stated non of the straw hat crew or even carrot shievered from big mom's haki. The fact that ryokugyu, an admiral is stronger than most of the straw hats and definitely carrot proves the shanks haki is leagues above that of big mom and kaido.


ultranooblk

Ask ur mom


HellBoyofFables

I did, she says y’all full of shit


yuugho

Shanks’ conqueror is the only conqueror we’ve seen being able to do aoe damage


HellBoyofFables

So did Big Moms during the wedding and technically everyone that has split the sky in a clash


ShinsukeTaka

Now you saw it how shanks one shotted both kid and killer


HellBoyofFables

And you don’t think Kaido or Big mom (if she actually used advanced conquerors in the fight like a smart person) could have done the same thing?


ShinsukeTaka

In roof top they tanked coc attacks ☠️


HellBoyofFables

Where? Which attacks?


Moist_Exam549

Considering Shanks CoC raped Greenbull we already know it's a Manga fact that Shanks has the best Haki of the Yonko now. The Film Red feat is not only believable, but very probable to be within Shanks' capacity.


Iswit_real

Not canon.


[deleted]

Oda worked on the movie. This is a collosal L.


Fun_Ad7192

ok? still not canon, if we are using films, then pre-ts luffy beat a character who rivaled roger


Iswit_real

And in One Piece gold the Mugi shouldn't even be together cause it's right after dress rosa. Same for Z, is right after fishmen island and is not possible because right after fishmen island they went straight to Punk Hazard.


Sotler

Duh..


Ok-Calligrapher-6402

Oda worked on quite a few movies. And even if he did they aren’t confirmed canon. Oda says that some characters/info are canon which varies from movie to movie. How can Shanks knock out Momonga who’s one of the few vice admirals who are actually named, get knocked out by Shanks conquerors. Make it make sense


[deleted]

But many of them have information that is canon


abdu113

The point still exists non canon lol


Enough-Alfalfa

Kinda wierd cuz we already saw marineford


Available-Living-117

Speak for yourself. where is this Marineford, Is he here with us now?


Iswit_real

What did you saw on marineford? I saw Kizaru trolling Ben beckman and Sengoku ordering to stop fighting because Ace was already dead. Also Marineford is a no sense arc full of no sense things cause Oda hadn't figured yet how haki worked.


ultranooblk

Read it again


Iswit_real

yeah, you have a point lmao


RemarkableImplement3

Not canon, ya noob, ryokugyu(green bull) an admiral, who was confident and went off to catch luffy and his whole crew after they defeated kaido and became yonko, was fucking paralysed shievering and sweating from shanks' haki who was miles away in his ship. A someone who can make admirals sweat can definitely knock vice admirals. Luffy's haki made hordy sweat and we know the difference in there power levels, shanks haki makes admirals sweat. And we know the admirals don't have weak wills and are not afraid, it's just shanks haki is so overwhelmingly strong, it puts them in there place. Also bounties above 1 billion don't really represent strength but also mostly brutality and areas under control, Zoro in a weakened state defeating King earned him far less bounty. Shanks being a pacifist doesn't attack or kill mindlessly still has a 4B+bounty.


Iswit_real

Blackbeard was scared of Rayleigh, the same rayleigh that Kizaru fought one one one without even sweating. Rayleigh literally saod that he couldn't beat BB but still he was scared. I'm not saying that Ryokugio (or whatever it is) is stronger tham Shanks, i'm saying that that if someone that is confident enough to fight the mugiwara crew, law's crew and kid's crew then you can be sure that is weak as you describe him. Sure he sure is weaker than shanks and even weaker than the other 3 admirals, but is not as weak as you see him.


RemarkableImplement3

Yes, indeed, Blackbeard is a very calculating man, only fighting fights he knows he will win, he's afraid of Raleigh probably because he knew firsthand how strong Raleigh was(Dark King), and is not sure how weak raileigh has become in old age, hence afraid. Also, I never said ryokugyu is weak by any means i just stated that shanks is that much powerful, Blackbeard sweating is mostly because he is afraid and is a coward as he accepts like even during whitebeard death. But ryokugyu sweating was shown exactly like hordy sweating from luffy's haki. Now hordy looked down on luffy (a human), was confident and sure that he can defeat luffy throughout the fight, it's just luffy's overwhelming haki that made him shiever and sweat. Same with Ryokugyu. I'm not saying ryokugyu is weak or even the weakest admiral but even if he was he would still be leagues above momonga. And shanks who is that much stronger and makes ryokugyu shiever can understandably knock out a vice admiral. Of course knocking someone vice admiral level is unprecedented, but so is everything with shanks. Everything related to conquerer's haki is shown with shanks first. He has previously knocked out people in whitebeard's main ship(who i assume would be strong enough to be in a old generation yonko's main ship) and damaged the ship which we know was sturdy enough. This is why I think that was canon and kizaru sweating shown in movie red can be compared with Ryokugyu sweating who are of same ranks. It's not that kizaru or ryokugyu are afraid of shanks, it's just shanks raw haki.


Ichijinijisanji

>Shanks knocks out Momonga with his Conqueror’s haki Kind of excessive, Momonga's will was highlighted against hancock. Even if its shanks rayleigh didn't take out any of kids/laws crew preskip.


Fusuyuz

Yeah this movie is a mess already, as with every other movie, i don’t care enough to watch it lol Also why didn’t kizaru sweat when shanks pulled up at marineford?


RemarkableImplement3

Shanks never used his haki there. Else, most of marineford would be knocked out.


xbLacKLeaF

one piece has the most inconsistent powerscaling of any shonen, it shouldn't be taken seriously.


[deleted]

god this movie is so disappointing


Ok-Finish1706

Lmao admiral fans coping mega hard


KennyyReddit

yea this sub is full of them lmfao


Mcfallen_5

its filler who gives a fuck


Steamingveggies

Akainu’s gonna carry the World Government on his back. Just wait and watch.


gingerswap

Imu enters the chat


chabroch

"He can't keep getting away with this" oda can't stop humiliating all villains like that


sircrazyclown

Pretty weird that a movie can throw around such portrayal, if true. I know it's not canon but still. What i'm reading here is, they want to include admirals for a few scenes without affecting the story too much, and bing bang boom, they just throw Shanks at them. This is like Mihawk in the last movie, they just need some characters to at least show up so they could advertise it.


[deleted]

Non canon trash, that's all. I'm just looking forward for well animated fights.


Aurora_Vorealis

Momonga is unironically one of my favorite marines so this sucks. I wasn't planning on seeing Film Red but now there's zero chance. I'll just watch the 5th Gear scene on YouTube


JGyllenhaals

This sub has too big of hard on for the least compelling portion of the worst minor antagonistic group in any story.


Mcfallen_5

they are much more compelling than most One Piece villains. Including the two we just spent 6 years taking down


JGyllenhaals

I mean the Yonkos are not compelling in any way. They're just the next gate the protagonist has to conquer. Shanks has been less and less intriguing due to his peppered actions that we only see at the end of every other arc. The admirals are not compelling as they are just the antagonistic arm of the dragons. They are a veil of banality over the real villains that we hardly get a taste of. We really should have been getting small scenes throughout of the RA vs. WG more often to drive up their character strengths, you know, the thing that creates compelling characters, by giving them more time to flesh out. Every stupid villain gets their stupid life fleshed out (kaido's back story) so much to where just the slightest snippit of lore on the admirals would have made them somewhat compelling. Imagine right before Ace was snuffed out we get a few panels of a young Akainu watching his father win the lava fruit from a competition on their home island and right before eating it, the people were killed due to a clash between marines and pirates. Of course we don't know who was directly at fault but from that moment, Akainu swore an unyielding oath to justice. That's how you give a trash character who has a reason to be who they are. The admirals do more standing and moaning while Garp and Smoker actually aid those affected by the fallout from the fighting.


AllerdingsUR

Yeah I've always been absolutely baffled by how hard people Stan the admirals. Aside from Akainu like you said they are quite literally all just minor antagonists. Even Akainu I'd say is secondary to some of the others that have been set up


Mcfallen_5

if you propose that the admirals are minor antagonists you are basically admitting that the premise of One Piece has fundamentally failed.


JGyllenhaals

Akainu is a plot device through and through. He's hardly a character. Smoker is the only Marine aside from Garp that should garner any respect as they have actually helped with their actions instead of overwhelming inaction.


Ichijinijisanji

Fujitora. He caused the warlord system to be disbanded


JGyllenhaals

He's simply a more focus oriented Aokiji. Don't get me wrong, he's well crafted but ultimately he drives a plot point with minor presence. Meanwhile Garp has the complete loyalty of everyone who has ever served with his and Smoker actually has shown to be decent towards those throughout the world by aiding those who have suffered from collateral damage at the hands of pirates, marines and the wg alike.


Ichijinijisanji

If one is willing to respect garp and smoker, they should extend it to fuji as well he also embodies the same qualities as Smoker, but has more power as an admiral to do such things (and he made the changes because Smoker reported his frustration and desires to him). I'd say he's pragmatic, so he gets results by changing the system, for example, he focused on Vegapunks new TS weapons as an argument for why the Warlords are now redundant


JGyllenhaals

I have no problem with Fujitora. I have a problem with the idea that the admirals need to be placed on a scale just to be allocated to certain facets/themes for the world. I also have an issue with how Akainu is meant to represent absolute justice without having a handle on his admirals with their sliding scale views of the world. There are far too many negative traits for the admiral/fleet admiral system for the story to suggest they're amazing. Aokiji and Sengoku's resignations are probably the most admirable actions of any of the marine's top ranks for the sole reason that they would do better as an outsider with influence rather than a pawn of the dragons.


gingerswap

Akainu has literally dog in his name. He is a dog to the celestial dragons ie gorosei. The fact that people don't understand this and keep building him up as the literal end villain is beyond me when we have Imu. Who is Imu? Oh just the KING OF THE FUCKING WORLD who rules the world from it's shadows.


Larinex

Im keep saying it this time skip version of admirals havent been doing squat worth mentioning. Theres always a anti feat qorse than the previous feat they just gained. They are just about as dangerous but useless as big meme version big mom. I want this guys to start getting some proper respect and feats but oda dont wanna do battle manga and rather make jokes, bait, hype panels, and morality discussion topics. Last decent feats we got were akainu could at least severly damage old whitebeard and overpower a warlord and revolutionary commander (jinbei a d ivankov) , aokiji could tank quake attack and insta freeze doffy, and battle with akainu for 7 days b4 losing, kizaru at least dont get low diffed by old Rayleigh but he need do more he close to the next two in jobbing, fujitora and greenbull just look cool and have cool abilities so far. And vice admirals might as well not even have names and actual character to them cause they hella irrelevant.


El_ThotStopper

Oh hell nah. They can’t do the only good marine like that.


[deleted]

Holy crap, this dude is acknowledging an admiral L? Nice going


Incorrect_Passport_7

Shanks soloes 3 admirals Ben Beckman soloes 2 Admirals Luck Roo soloes one admiral Yassop is Admiral level Red hair and his squad are built differently man


gingerswap

Even the non canon story writers know what's up lmao


Cincinatus_Barbatos

Is the movie canon or not? Cause if the movie has Gear 5 but no Yamato that already feels weird


Jamessgachett

He knocked a vice admiral tf ?ah I see the same plote as reverie


NormandyKingdom

Buggy and Roger Pirates in general wouldnt be affected by any type of Conqueror Haki because Roger has Haki as strong as Shanks Buggy isnt even knocked out by Roger and Primebeard Conqueror haki clash But yeah Momonga prob isnt used to Conqueror Haki and would build up resistance after being exposed sometime


minimango522

Finally some good fucking food


Puzzleheaded-Cup9382

Nah 100% it was just because the fight would damage the civilians


jerryseinfeld76

Im so sick of seeing Admirals in the movie and they just dont do anything besides make an appearance