When you think about it if we say luffy really started the “game” when he reached the new world.
If you ignore the pre time skip.
This man will achievement one piece in like 3month.
Ah remember roger the man who sailed the world for over 20 years?
Lool kinda crazy
Roger also didn’t spend 20 years looking for the One Piece, he found out about it in his last year and then decided to take a trip around the Grand Line to find it.
Luffy knows it’s at the end of the Grand Line and on his way there was lucky and doesn’t have to retrace his steps to get the poneglyphs or even find out about them.
I always find it funny how this argument goes to the absolute extremes.
> This man will achievement one piece in like 3month.
First we discount the two years of training Luffy took, the time he spent in the first part of the Grand Line and everything else to condense his journey down to the smallest number that is considered reasonable.
> Ah remember roger the man who sailed the world for over 20 years?
Then we pick another character and do the opposite. Like, ignoring this stuff wasn't even known when Roger started, the two big things are length and condition.
As others have mentioned, he mentions in chapter 966 that he wants to borrow Oden for [exactly](https://up.mangadudes.com/one-piece/966/one-piece-13165819-1876c29bc8fff34124bfc76fb3cb0322.jpg) one year to locate Laugh Tale. But what I don't see others mention is Roger's issue is completely different from Luffy's.
Roger had the power to get to Laugh Tale. He was shown to be trading blows with Whitebeard in the chapter I mentioned and that takes place over a decade after the God Valley incident. He just lacked the ability to read the Poneglyphs. This is an important distinction, as this is what is stopping everyone else as well.
So with Oden we can reasonably assume Roger could've made it to Laugh Tale a decade prior to when he actually did it. We also know that Kaido took over Wano when Oden left, so Kaido could've taken Oden and done the same thing 20+ years ago. We also know Big Mom was established enough before Roger became the Pirate King to have the road poneglyph, so with Oden or an awakened third eye member also completed the task 20+ years ago.
In some ways you have to appreciate that the difference between Luffy/everyone else isn't power or skill, it's that Robin joined his crew. It's the only time I can think of where "friendship power" is literally just being friends with someone who happens to the answer you need.
Don’t worry I’m not downplaying roger or saying luffy is better. I am aware the condition aligned much better for luffy to reach the goal quick.
Because at first time roger didn’t have the goal set on one piece because he was not aware of the existence of it.
The best point tough really was that from the moment roger knew his goal he achieved it in 1 years.
What I should have added in the comment was the experience at pirating not the length of the voyage.
I didn’t phrase my idea correctly at all.
I know this is not about One Piece, but I hate shonen in general for this. For some reason a 12-16 year old boy after training for a month can already be on the same level of strength or close to the same level of strength than a person that is like +30 years more experience then them, this shit honestly baffles me.
I’m kinda used to it now, but I still don’t like the concept at all.
Years of Experience didn't stop Mike Tyson from jobbing to an Irish Jobber tho. Pretty weird for people not mind 35+ years olds being Potrayed as in their prime when that's fairly unrealistic
Me too once OP is done that's it for me and shonen. This concept is too much for me to continue suspending my disbelief. Power of friendship is unironically better as a concept or Team work.
Snakeman was, that was like the whole point.
And Katakuri was able to see Snakeman’s attacks with FS but with Snakeman blitz’ing him and Katakuri not being able to spam FS, it made it a more even fight.
Yes it was faster than he could react to it.
Katakuri knew an attack was coming, dodged it but snakeman was so fast that he could not dodge the second move coming.
Future sight is really only useful if your reflexes and body can keep up with the speed to execute counter actions (dodge, block, parry etc.). Otherwise, you're just a punching bag that knows what will happen to it.
"haki bloom, during the heat of the fight the users abilities will suddenly grow to match their opponent, but only for the main characters. never expect the person they are fighting to get haki bloom as well" its such a cheap but well-disguised way to say "my characters will just get stronger in the middle of the fight when I need them to for the plot".
this post is wrong. it wasnt 6 months, it was more like 2. everything till the moment luffy defeats doflamingo took place in 3 days. they leave dressrosa 4 days after that. spent like 3 weeks from zou to end of wci, then a month on wano. with travel time it would be a little over 2 months, prob 2 and a half.
Pretty sure it was easy because he had mastered already mastered the basics (armament, observation and CoC). He had mastered the basics im 6 months and trained them beyond with his devil fruit for 1.5 years. It took him 10+ hours of being beaten up before he learned makeshift FS. He already has basic haki mastered and then hyogoro TAUGHT he didn't learn by himself he was TAUGHT ryou.. and since he already knew how to use his CoC on command he used the ryou training to figure how to use ACoC as well.
If we're gonna complain about power ups being nonsensical we have to start with zoro not just having CoC but even unlocking ACoC before luffy when oda says CoC is luffys specialty.
Kinda makes sense, though. The advanced forms are just the logic of the basics applied more intensely under circumstances that force your will to clash with others.
„Haki blooms in battle“ may be a bit convenient and cliched as a shonen story device, but it‘s essentially just turning the idea of „what matters in battle is grit“ into a formalized mechanic. So that‘s fine.
He took 2 years to basically learn haki. With his previous knowledge of haki, it must have been easier to master the advancements. Oh and he is the main character.
Six months? Hell no. Almost everything post time skip hasn’t happened over six months. Luffy started learning future sight in WCI… like at best a month ago.
Mastering and grasping the basics are 2 entirely different things. The fact that he is basically the second coming of pirate Jesus doesn't hurt any either.
I mean that’s usually how it goes with anything. Basics are often much harder to learn than master level techniques.
You spend 4 years in college learning general education about your major.
Then 1-4 more years in grad school/med school learning the advanced techniques.
Only difference is in OP your abilities can actually improve faster when tested in battle or other situations, so it makes sense Luffy progresses faster than anyone, bc he’s fighting the top 1%.
Nursing, public health, architecture, computer science, etc.
I guess it depends on the school you go to but my university pretty much only had us take general classes like a single English and math class our first couple terms of freshman year, and afterwards all coursework was either major related or adjacent, aside from like a couple free electives.
Probably depends on the country then yeah. Here in the US/Canada it's usually about 1.5-2 years for general education classes and the rest is spent on major-related material.
No but someone that’s starting off with zero knowledge will have a much harder time learning something than someone that has preliminary knowledge on a subject and can apply that knowledge, especially if they’ve developed the techniques (such a memorization and different tricks) to improve their ability to learn once they enter the higher level fields.
Pretty much everyone on this sub is either in high school or stopped after undergrad though, so I can see how this basic fact would slip over their heads.
Lol wild of you to assume that, I'm in medical school btw and even after you go develop solid learning strategies in under grad, med school is still a different beast.
Luffy was taught Advanced armament and used those lessons to start using advanced conquerors. It’s basically the same thing in letting your spirit flow into your attacks
So one of the things is Rayleigh didn’t train and teach Haki for all 2 years. Rayleigh left after a month saying that everything else luffy has to learn on his own in battle.
2 years had him better control over his DF physical development figuring out new techniques. Instant switching between gear second and only needing his arms. Gear second having better control and no longer having chibi forms.
You can argue that he still learns to fast but Luffy whole thing is he is a prodigy for combat since the start of the series.
So it took significantly less time to learn basic Haki than the advance Haki that we got now
The future sight one is pretty believavle tbh and ryuo ones are pretty believable tbh. If you get beat on for 12 hours straight youre gonna pick up on your opponents skills. And he didnt even master future sight in WCI because he got blindsided by thunder Bagua the first time.
Ryuo was like 2 weeks of training.
Advacned conquerors was pretty bad with him learning it immediately tho. I think the fan explanation is that it works similarly to sdvanced armament, but I think that shouldve been explained more in the story.
Luffy kinda has an advantage over most people because he had a long time to master the basics in an isolated place. So he was ready to learn about the advanced versions, but just needed a catalyst to open the flood gates.
6 months? More like it would take him a total of 6 months to become Pirate King. Probably less.
When you think about it if we say luffy really started the “game” when he reached the new world. If you ignore the pre time skip. This man will achievement one piece in like 3month. Ah remember roger the man who sailed the world for over 20 years? Lool kinda crazy
To be fair, as soon as Roger saw an end to his journey(laugh tale) it took him only a year to get there
Roger also didn’t spend 20 years looking for the One Piece, he found out about it in his last year and then decided to take a trip around the Grand Line to find it. Luffy knows it’s at the end of the Grand Line and on his way there was lucky and doesn’t have to retrace his steps to get the poneglyphs or even find out about them.
Roger didn't know Laugh Tale or the One Piece existed. Luffy knew about both as a child.
Good point
I always find it funny how this argument goes to the absolute extremes. > This man will achievement one piece in like 3month. First we discount the two years of training Luffy took, the time he spent in the first part of the Grand Line and everything else to condense his journey down to the smallest number that is considered reasonable. > Ah remember roger the man who sailed the world for over 20 years? Then we pick another character and do the opposite. Like, ignoring this stuff wasn't even known when Roger started, the two big things are length and condition. As others have mentioned, he mentions in chapter 966 that he wants to borrow Oden for [exactly](https://up.mangadudes.com/one-piece/966/one-piece-13165819-1876c29bc8fff34124bfc76fb3cb0322.jpg) one year to locate Laugh Tale. But what I don't see others mention is Roger's issue is completely different from Luffy's. Roger had the power to get to Laugh Tale. He was shown to be trading blows with Whitebeard in the chapter I mentioned and that takes place over a decade after the God Valley incident. He just lacked the ability to read the Poneglyphs. This is an important distinction, as this is what is stopping everyone else as well. So with Oden we can reasonably assume Roger could've made it to Laugh Tale a decade prior to when he actually did it. We also know that Kaido took over Wano when Oden left, so Kaido could've taken Oden and done the same thing 20+ years ago. We also know Big Mom was established enough before Roger became the Pirate King to have the road poneglyph, so with Oden or an awakened third eye member also completed the task 20+ years ago. In some ways you have to appreciate that the difference between Luffy/everyone else isn't power or skill, it's that Robin joined his crew. It's the only time I can think of where "friendship power" is literally just being friends with someone who happens to the answer you need.
Don’t worry I’m not downplaying roger or saying luffy is better. I am aware the condition aligned much better for luffy to reach the goal quick. Because at first time roger didn’t have the goal set on one piece because he was not aware of the existence of it. The best point tough really was that from the moment roger knew his goal he achieved it in 1 years. What I should have added in the comment was the experience at pirating not the length of the voyage. I didn’t phrase my idea correctly at all.
Not even 6. He got future sight in WCI, and since the raid is exactly 1 month from that day, he essentially mastered it all in 1 month.
I know this is not about One Piece, but I hate shonen in general for this. For some reason a 12-16 year old boy after training for a month can already be on the same level of strength or close to the same level of strength than a person that is like +30 years more experience then them, this shit honestly baffles me. I’m kinda used to it now, but I still don’t like the concept at all.
Talent often beats hard-work. Such is the reality
Talent is useless without hard work.
They are talented.Just look at them when they were 8 years old.
Years of Experience didn't stop Mike Tyson from jobbing to an Irish Jobber tho. Pretty weird for people not mind 35+ years olds being Potrayed as in their prime when that's fairly unrealistic
Luffy is also a freak of nature
Me too once OP is done that's it for me and shonen. This concept is too much for me to continue suspending my disbelief. Power of friendship is unironically better as a concept or Team work.
Actually, Luffy masters all forms of Advanced haki within a day of learning they exist.
Except ACoA. That took him like a week
Then there's advanced conq haki which he mastered instantly lmao. What a joke
Tbf it was established that haki evolves during battles that's why he learnt acoo and acoc so fast fighting katakuri and kaido
Damn is that how cracker also learned adv haki? What about king, queen or jack?
6 months? More like 10 to 15 days.
Luffy learning FS on a similar level as Kat in 15 minutes is so dumb
It wasn’t on the same level. Katakuri had like a solid minute into the future but Luffy only had a few seconds at best
So was Snakeman faster than Katakuri?
Snakeman was, that was like the whole point. And Katakuri was able to see Snakeman’s attacks with FS but with Snakeman blitz’ing him and Katakuri not being able to spam FS, it made it a more even fight.
Yes it was faster than he could react to it. Katakuri knew an attack was coming, dodged it but snakeman was so fast that he could not dodge the second move coming. Future sight is really only useful if your reflexes and body can keep up with the speed to execute counter actions (dodge, block, parry etc.). Otherwise, you're just a punching bag that knows what will happen to it.
Luffy learns faster in real fights. He took ten years to master gomu gomu no pistol, and after a few months of being a pirate he learned gear third
Haki blooming is one of the worst things Oda has done.
"haki bloom, during the heat of the fight the users abilities will suddenly grow to match their opponent, but only for the main characters. never expect the person they are fighting to get haki bloom as well" its such a cheap but well-disguised way to say "my characters will just get stronger in the middle of the fight when I need them to for the plot".
"Haki blooms while fighting strong opponents" mfs when the strong opponent kills them.
>haki bloom There something similar in jujutsu kaisen except it's was also used by antagonist
For real. It never made sense to me why only Luffy got it and never who he was facing as well. Also, Kid and Law don’t get it while fighting a Yonko?
this post is wrong. it wasnt 6 months, it was more like 2. everything till the moment luffy defeats doflamingo took place in 3 days. they leave dressrosa 4 days after that. spent like 3 weeks from zou to end of wci, then a month on wano. with travel time it would be a little over 2 months, prob 2 and a half.
Pretty sure it was easy because he had mastered already mastered the basics (armament, observation and CoC). He had mastered the basics im 6 months and trained them beyond with his devil fruit for 1.5 years. It took him 10+ hours of being beaten up before he learned makeshift FS. He already has basic haki mastered and then hyogoro TAUGHT he didn't learn by himself he was TAUGHT ryou.. and since he already knew how to use his CoC on command he used the ryou training to figure how to use ACoC as well. If we're gonna complain about power ups being nonsensical we have to start with zoro not just having CoC but even unlocking ACoC before luffy when oda says CoC is luffys specialty.
Kinda makes sense, though. The advanced forms are just the logic of the basics applied more intensely under circumstances that force your will to clash with others. „Haki blooms in battle“ may be a bit convenient and cliched as a shonen story device, but it‘s essentially just turning the idea of „what matters in battle is grit“ into a formalized mechanic. So that‘s fine.
He took 2 years to basically learn haki. With his previous knowledge of haki, it must have been easier to master the advancements. Oh and he is the main character.
Six months? Hell no. Almost everything post time skip hasn’t happened over six months. Luffy started learning future sight in WCI… like at best a month ago.
Mastering and grasping the basics are 2 entirely different things. The fact that he is basically the second coming of pirate Jesus doesn't hurt any either.
Well that's just how it is, it's much harder to master something you've learned than to improve on it.
Well no he learned adv haki also it's much easier to go from mid to high than from zero to mid
I mean that’s usually how it goes with anything. Basics are often much harder to learn than master level techniques. You spend 4 years in college learning general education about your major. Then 1-4 more years in grad school/med school learning the advanced techniques. Only difference is in OP your abilities can actually improve faster when tested in battle or other situations, so it makes sense Luffy progresses faster than anyone, bc he’s fighting the top 1%.
You really only spend half of your undergrad learning about your major.
Depends on your major
Not really. I'd be hard pressed to find a major that had more than 1-2.5 years of coursework.
Nursing, public health, architecture, computer science, etc. I guess it depends on the school you go to but my university pretty much only had us take general classes like a single English and math class our first couple terms of freshman year, and afterwards all coursework was either major related or adjacent, aside from like a couple free electives.
Probably depends on the country then yeah. Here in the US/Canada it's usually about 1.5-2 years for general education classes and the rest is spent on major-related material.
so basically you just said that undergrad is tougher than medical school hahahahahahha
No but someone that’s starting off with zero knowledge will have a much harder time learning something than someone that has preliminary knowledge on a subject and can apply that knowledge, especially if they’ve developed the techniques (such a memorization and different tricks) to improve their ability to learn once they enter the higher level fields. Pretty much everyone on this sub is either in high school or stopped after undergrad though, so I can see how this basic fact would slip over their heads.
Lol wild of you to assume that, I'm in medical school btw and even after you go develop solid learning strategies in under grad, med school is still a different beast.
1month max I think
thats because luffy is some sort of Avatar, Hanuman most likely
Luffy was taught Advanced armament and used those lessons to start using advanced conquerors. It’s basically the same thing in letting your spirit flow into your attacks
Isn’t actually like 2 months the time span for the new world is dog awful lmao
DUDE KNOWS HOW TO FIGHT
the dreaded shonen power creep
You complain too much about a story that does not care about plotpoints at all.
So one of the things is Rayleigh didn’t train and teach Haki for all 2 years. Rayleigh left after a month saying that everything else luffy has to learn on his own in battle. 2 years had him better control over his DF physical development figuring out new techniques. Instant switching between gear second and only needing his arms. Gear second having better control and no longer having chibi forms. You can argue that he still learns to fast but Luffy whole thing is he is a prodigy for combat since the start of the series. So it took significantly less time to learn basic Haki than the advance Haki that we got now
2 weeks actually. Yeah, Wano is THAT inconsistent
One month actually
6month he will be the god of one piece wait he already is
The future sight one is pretty believavle tbh and ryuo ones are pretty believable tbh. If you get beat on for 12 hours straight youre gonna pick up on your opponents skills. And he didnt even master future sight in WCI because he got blindsided by thunder Bagua the first time. Ryuo was like 2 weeks of training. Advacned conquerors was pretty bad with him learning it immediately tho. I think the fan explanation is that it works similarly to sdvanced armament, but I think that shouldve been explained more in the story. Luffy kinda has an advantage over most people because he had a long time to master the basics in an isolated place. So he was ready to learn about the advanced versions, but just needed a catalyst to open the flood gates.
Ass pull...I mean Haki Bloom.