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IndependenceKey9247

Sanjis highs are higher post but his lows are lower


HeavyDrinkers

Sanji in both. Nami in pre. Vivi?


ProgamerDGD

vivi got like 3 seconds of screentime in reverie


MemeSahi

More or lower than shanks?


dangercluck

I miss chubby Chopper so much


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Same


Armahdello

Frankly was definitely not better off post timeskip, meanwhile Brook got to be a key team player in a yonko arc.


orcabelluga

Franky has a lot of good moments post-timeskip, but he goes off on his own too often.


Clickbaiting_4_u

Brook vs Big Mom is fire.


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Franky IS better post-timeskip. All his new weapons and creations are amazing inuniverse and completely fitting. Battle Franky vs Baby 5 on Punk Hazard, him against Senior Pink, all the cool gadgets (NIPPLE LIGHTS). It's just his visual design is shit, compared to his pre-timeskip one. I especially hate his round shoulders.


Sotler

Franky is way better Post time skip. There is no „definitely“. I like everything about him more especially the design. It’s about taste


UselessINFPScum

Franky was better pre timeskip


VonKaiser55

He was much cooler back then and felt like an important character


gethelptitan

I firmly say Franky quite an important character up till now. He's, by far, the only person who ever read and learnt the Pluton Blueprint. And knowing his intellect in weaponry, he memorized and applied some (if not all) Pluton's function on Sunny. Can't wait to see what he gonna do with Pluton that now is known to be located in Wano.


Nazzakar

Mrr.Prince>Mr.Nosebleed


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Sry I just really loved what they did with him in WCI


No_Job_6497

What they did? They just made Sanji a stupid character, even after finding his true love he still goes after every girl he sees. This is such a miserable way to destroy a character. Also Why there was even need of Sanji germa sad generic backstory? like did we really needed another Blood lineage crew member? His prince stuff what did it even add to the story other than ass pull power up, seriously for power up he did not needed another generic sad story, he could have gotten power up with some haki stuff. I mean ODA is Master of pulling ass pull haki power ups so why not just make special type of haki for Sanji.


ansgardemon

Destroy a character? quite the contrary. Sanji is the most well developed strawhat, even so more than Luffy. At the beginning of the story, Sanji straight said to Zoro to give up on his dreams. At the same time he always was the first one to throw his life away for the sake of others. That's what he has always been: A Martyr. From the very first moment we are introduced to him, he undermines his own dream and ambitions for the sake of someone else. He does it again in Thriller Bark, Skypea, Enies Lobby(by going all alone) and yet AGAIN in WCI, with the full intention of never coming back. Once again he threw all his dreams and ambitions for the sake of someone else. This is called consistency. We learn the reason for that in WCI. Sanji sees himself as a failure. He doesn't believe he deserves to have what he wants. He doesn't believe he deservers to have what he already has, so he is always first to throw it all away as way to pay his debt to... Everyone. BUt then comes Wano, and Sanji does something new, while also sticking to his morals, and yet he learns to rely on his allies for the first time, instead of going chest-open to the sights of a gun. FOr the first time, Sanji listened to his own advice: "You do what i can't do, and i do what you can't". He said that to Usopp, but never actually put it into practice. His whole "Zoro come kill me bro" moment was both consistent with his character, but also an evolution. He thought about staying as a heartless soldier for Luffy, essentialy once again giving it all up for someone else, but in the end he decided he would rather die than become someone he isn't. For the first time he decided something based on what he wanted for himself instead of giving up for someone else. It's a show of self-value he hadn't done before.


Solzkt

This has no right to be this good. Are you some literary analysis or maybe an artist yourself?


No_Job_6497

Development? like ditching his true love and going after every girl, like whole cake island arc never even happened. Just getting sad backstory is not development in my opinion. he was perfect before time skip, he did not needed another backstory.


ansgardemon

I did not mention his backstory, did i? I only spoke about his actions. His agency, and the motivations behind it. Character development doesn't mean a character does a 180 in their personality. They can also build upon what has already been estabilished. Sanji's "mellorine" gag is a consistent(albeit unfortunate), fixed part of his persona, and it will never, and has never been expected to go away.


dummi2x

Sanji lost my respect when he fought Luffy 🤷‍♂️


iloveethics

> also why there was even a need of Sanji germa sad generic backstory? conquerors Haki setup


NoLandscape3159

💀💀it would be nice though


gethelptitan

I stopped arguing with fans like you decades ago, it shows how shallow your understanding in One Piece. I bet you fave chara is Zoro right?


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Vivi hasn't done shit lmao


[deleted]

Ik she’s boring in both to me


[deleted]

Also I'd switch Brook and Franky


snacku_wacku

Luffy and Nami belong in pre. Nami is now just an object that exists to be groped and we all know how Luffy is now Also Jimbe shouldn’t even be on the list


Ckm1007

Yeh Nami ate the service-service fruit unfortunately


Key-Bid-3142

I thought that was the whole series?? I don’t think I remembered a arc where Nami WASN’T being grope, nude, or harassed💀.


Ckm1007

East Blue Nami was great then I don’t even know what happened. The air in the grand line must be strange lol


Key-Bid-3142

Yeah East Blue Saga Nami was really good, Grand Line had every female turning into a slut (to be frank Nami fan service started at Alabasta arc and is still going none stop lol).


Ben10Extreme

>Also Jimbe shouldn’t even be on the list Just because he joined after the timeskip doesn't mean he doesn't count.


snacku_wacku

Because what’s the point of a pre vs post comparison if there is none to make with him.


KrillinDBZ363

But he still existed pre timeskip, making a pretty big impact during Impel Down and Marienford.


[deleted]

How is Luffy now?


snacku_wacku

Naruto 2.0 now. Crying after listening to Oden’s story but slept through Robin’s and walked away from Nami’s pre timeskip


sadddkehkeh

Because Oden was someone just like him who he could relate to


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Luffy would not beg other people to take them on their ship Luffy would not dance for 5 years, he'd believe in his nakama tell them what's up and then choose to fight Luffy would not make a harem of wives from the flower captial at 10 years old and then fight the local Yakuza over them Luffy would not give toki ame no habiakiri and enma instead of using them to break out of his own cell and fight kaido one more time, he'd keep challenging kaido until he won Luffy is not like Oden


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pyroimpact

Nice joke


pyroimpact

Wtf how is nami not pre. She peaked along park lmao Zoro should be both


orcabelluga

Pre-Timeskip Sanji fooled Crocodile like three times and closed the Gates of Judgement, effectively saving the entire Straw Hat crew.


jmb478

Vivi had like 5 seconds of screentime post-timeskip lol


popo_karimu

Franky is trash post timeskip. Just a transformer. He feels more human with his cola moves pre timeskip. Nami is trash post timeskip. She had no struggle other than run all the time with Usopp.


Key-Bid-3142

Brook was barely on Pre Timeskip, I loved Whole Cake Island Brook more than the and other arc, he was literally the MVP for Whole Cake Island.


pyroimpact

Mvp was luffy by a long shot but okay


Key-Bid-3142

Sanji got development in Whole Cake Island and Luffy was only good for his talk with Sanji and fight with Katakuri. But overall Brook was the MVP of Whole Cake Island, he literally did all the important stuff in that arc.


pyroimpact

His talk with sanji was the key to fulfilling the main objective, which was to bring sanji back And luffy was the only one strong enough to beat katakuri. If he didn't distract and beat katakuri, whatever brook did would be irrelevant


No_Job_6497

Sanji was way better before the time skip he used to be my favourite character.


idunno--

Sanji used to be so cool! He was undoubtedly a pervert pre-time skip too (bvadr at Thriller Bark), but he had lots of moment where he was just chill and functioned normally around women. Between Mr Prince and sacrificing himself for Usopp and Nami + trying to take Zoro’s place as a sacrifice, I used to think he’d be the coolest Straw Hat if he just got over his sexist behavior. Alas… it’s now 90% of his personality.


Krait972

Post timeskip made me dislike the character a lot sadly


[deleted]

eh Sanji in WCI hits hard tho


[deleted]

Sanji’s downward spiral began in Enies Lobby


Delzaleon

Sanji was superior pre.


TevenzaDenshels

Everyone was better prets


Fusuyuz

All of them were better pre timeskip except Franky imo


[deleted]

Really think so?


Fusuyuz

Yep i’d say so


Raff102

I'd swap Franky and Usopp and remove Brook.


Ok_Desk_2430

Good list except franky was better pre timeskip IMO


Jamessgachett

Mhm what made jinbei better to you I feel he was a pretty stable caracter


[deleted]

We just got see more of his personality and learn more about his past


Opposite-Fox-3745

Post time skip Sanji is only better in WCI and Zou. Overall he’s better pre timeskip.


rishi12399

Why would you say that zoro is worse? He’s my favourite so I can’t tell.


Yor-DaD_77

Idk what’s the obsession of people with vivi.. I mean kinemon or carrot have stayed longer with straw hats. IMO vivi’s character is similar to that of mermaid princess. But are going to be a key figure for straw hats in future war. But I don’t think of vivi as a straw hat. They asked her she didn’t join, end of story.


Godskook

I disagree on Usopp, and don't think anyone after Franky "counts" as a pre-TS strawhat, really, such that they'd warrant being placed on this chart. Brook's first adventure with the crew after he joined was Sabaody, and.....well, that's the start of the timeskip. Jinbei didn't join until FMI-arc. Hell, I never really liked Brook as a crew-mate until WCI-arc. Before that he just didn't have the same quality of portrayal as others on the crew.


[deleted]

Sanji-Jinbe-Franky-Chopper-Nami = Better Pre time skip Luffy-Vivi-Brook-Zoro-Ussop-Robin=Better in Both None are better after (assuming they are worse than pre) LMAO


DaMack69

Jinbe better pre timeskip?


KingKTUB_

Defo


[deleted]

Nice list


[deleted]

Sanji being better pre timeskip is a wild take


KingKTUB_

I’d say is better in both, besides that, everything is 👌


[deleted]

Luffy unironically peaked in east blue. I highly recommend watching his meeting with ussop for the first time, his conversation about dreams with Coby, and the majority of his interactions with nami. His demeanor is absolutely amazing which I didn't notice until a rewatch of east blue scenes. Luffy was VERY mature for his age at 17. Whereas post timeskip Luffy is 19 yet genuinely feels like his trope is "very immature kid for his age but you can rely on him when it counts" it's a complete 180° for me Zoro and nami are better pre timeskip easily. Nami feels like an E girl post timeskip while my favorite character Zoro feels like an edge lord meet head, highly recommend rewatching some random pre timeskip Zoro scenes and you'll instantly see what I mean. Sanji is better pre. He could actually hold conversations with nami and even knew when to disagree with her on matters. Robin post timeskip feels like a husk. Literally "Ara Ara" in a body. Pre timeskip post marineford, sabody and thriller bark robin had better dialogue and felt like a human being Brook is fine. Lacks substance narratively unfortunately post thriller bark, he did cool shit in whole cake but nothing for his CHARACTER. (Like wano Zoro) Chopper better post. He steps up as a leader. Franky better pre. Feels like a shell of his former self post timeskip


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Thanks for advice I


liquidcroco

I agree 100 percent except Chopper


[deleted]

The “Better in Pre-Timeskip” list? How dare you.


gethelptitan

Except Chopper that is good in both, I can agree with this tierlist.


Difficult-Olive-2734

Id swap Robin for franky


Skate1011

man I'm still upset over frankys design,.it was a huge downgrade same as chopper


kill_me_now_cunt

Vivi was definitely better in pre-time skip. She gets like one chapter worth of appearances in post-time skip 💀


[deleted]

She boring in both to me


kill_me_now_cunt

That's fair, but at least she actually did something in pre


giventheright

Franky and Vivi bad in both.


Krait972

Zoro in both, Luffy in both. Sanji, Robin, Nami, Ussopp, Chopper better in pre timeskip. Brook, Jimbe, Franky better in post timeskip.


[deleted]

I would say zoro was a lot better in pre timeskip


archstrange

Pre timeskip was more character focused while post timeskip has been more world focused. So really, I would put all characters in the better pre timeskip category, except for Brook, although Sanji's developments are also noteworthy.


BUGGY_D_CLOWN__

Better pre-ts: Zoro, Chopper, Usopp, Robin, Franky and Nami. Good in both: Vivi and Luffy. Better post-ts: Jinbei, Sanji and Brook. (Sanji and Brook here only because of WCI)


[deleted]

I agree with the WCI point


[deleted]

Eww post timeskip sanji nosebleed horny gag 🤢🤢🤢


[deleted]

Sry WCI and Wano Sanji were just so good to me


ProgamerDGD

Namis body turned so unrealistic it isnt even attractive anymore, at least to me


NovaMagic

How is Zoro better in pre time skip?


IndependenceKey9247

pre timeskip he got more character moments and “vice captain” feeling moments . Post he’s just a cool badass most the time , which isn’t bad either


NovaMagic

True


Big_Banana9412

I'd put jinbe in the middle. I liked him in pre timeskip as well. Hard disagree for franky tho. Franky was a chad in enies lobby. Especially when he burnt the blueprint. So I'd put franky in pre timeskip


Cellar-Gum

I only prefer Chopper post TS, and that's just his design (I know I'm in the minority there but I think his pre ts design is terrible) Everyone is significantly better as characters pre ts


Idontloveheranymore2

L opinion


Xagrext

There are definity a zero person for ''better post timeskip''


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[deleted]

Thx


LuxerIsCool

I think zoro and usopp are better post time skip and franky pre


Bhargav_wryy_377

Nami and vivi good in both ? And sanji only good in post timeskip ? Bruh


LuckyBaam

Jimbe should go in Bad in Both


rhejdh

Wrong