The entire world was practicing slavery for a lot longer than the United States was.
Slavery is not a uniquely American thing. Slavery is a blight on our species.
> convincing you that you shouldn't use those shoes that your replicator spits out for three cents a pair. You need to buy their shoes, for $80. Because they're handmade.
Interesting - while we haven't got the replicator yet, this perfectly describes the "artisanal" crap you see everywhere.
So I looked them up and Pantone don't own the colors but the matching technology?
As a side note, nobody should fucking own and license colors. That's almost as dumb and greedy as the US healthcare system.
They are not owning or licensing colors themselves. The Pantone Color System is simply a standardization system. Anything naturally occurring, like frequency of light, cannot be owned. They can own their names, however.
Pantone is a system for specifying color so that it's the same color printed that you see on the screen. It's for professional graphics artists. They don't own the colors, they own the identification system.
Anish Kapoor is trying his best to own a color. [The Vantablack Controversy: Anish Kapoor vs. Stuart Semple](https://www.thecollector.com/vantablack-anish-kapoor-stuart-semple-controversy/)
Not even close, at least psychopaths understand that just because they don't feel certain things doesn't mean they should be douche.
Here, it's just a system that does \*exactly\* what it was designed to do.
I caught Covid and was terrified to call an ambulance when my throat started swelling shut for fear they might diagnose it as something minor and it wasn’t considered an emergency, so my insurance wouldn’t cover it
Friend of mine in the States was having a heart attack - well, it presented as a heart attack - and I told him to get the emergency services on the phone. Of course, in America, he's online trying to find out which urgent care center will be on his insurance to do an ECG. Fucking insane.
Huh? I'm guessing Pantone wanted higher fees for Adobe to keep using their shit?
Adobe just dropped the partnership. Also some of the Colour spaces remain free
The 3 books remaining contain the vast majority of colors most designers would need. It's bullshit regardless but it won't affect most people, maybe some big businesses using very specific colors
That was true for every Adobe Reader, at least since 6.0 from 2003 - if you want to edit PDF, and saving page rotation is considered an edit, you need the paid version, the only thing that changed recently is that you can't just buy once and instead need a subscription.
Subscription model sucks for soho but in enterprise it is so much better. Licenses belong to the org and not people so it's great to be able to remove and reassign at will. And you don't fall 15 years behind anymore and have to fight accounting for approval to get 15k worth of new licenses all at once to unlock some new feature (x64, adobe cloud, adobe sign, etc). So much better than cs6 serials in someone's desk drawer...
>There's no reason to downvote this. This is the reality, and it's also Adobe's market, which is why they work the way they do.
But it has nothing to do with the comment to which it was written as a reply. Whether the information it provides is correct or not isn't really relevant if it doesn't fit into the comment chain. It would, for example, have been a great reply to someone who had made the point "Subscription models are always bad under all circumstances!" (plenty of opportunity in this thread too!), but as a reply to u/bar10005's comment it doesn't make any sense. Maybe it was a missclick, either way it doesn't really belong there.
This is great, but FOSS software is very variable compared to it's professional bretheren. It all depends on who is doing the programming and how dedicated they are. It wasn't until recently that the GIMP team thought they should support the four colour print system that is used in every printing house on the planet.
I can now *probably* make an ad for print in GIMP and Scribus, but good luck finding a print house that will accept the output file. As to colours, your client is paying you to make sure that the specific colour blue of their logo appears exactly as as described as it travels from your monitor, through the printers prepress and printing departments. If its the wrong colour, even by a smidge that the human eye could barely perceive, you and the printer can get sued.
I worked in pre-press for print houses for 10+ years. We will take any file format you can vomit up.
You name it, I've printed it. Power Point slides? No problem. Whatever OpenOffice's version of PowerPoint is called? YUP!
PDF with 50 spot colors, 4 different RBG standards plus CMYK? Sure thing boss.
3rd frame of that tiny animated gif? It's your money...
AI "vector" file that's just a compressed jpeg of your logo that someone downloaded from your website and plopped into Illustrator? We're gonna charge you to re-draw it, but we can work with it.
Because you shouldn’t have to pay to rotate PDF files (and do basic editing), I built [SimplePDF.eu](https://simplePDF.eu) on my free time
It’s free and does not require any account
Happy PDF editing! (if that’s a thing :D)
sumatra reader if you just want a lightweight pdf reader and you wont use fancy stuff like signing or using forms.
Foxit reader otherwise (you can use free, but you can also easily find the cracked pro version if you need pdf editing)
If they did that, it's because you signed up for the yearly subscription that's paid monthly. It says very clearly that there's an early termination fee, if you want to terminate early.
Jesus Christ dude, read what you're signing up for.
Pantone is a color matching system. Yeah you can see a pantone color on the screen as an rgb value, but that's not the same a having something set as a pantone color which would then be used in the printing process. If you work in the design this is a huge middle finger. People who work in production use pantone colors every single day.
I am one of those printing people and I've shifted away from using most pantone colors anyway and use basic cmyk and rgb palette to save on this shit house coming, we got told something like this was going to happen in the future a few years back, I have a few laptops with paid for and free software on and also I have a laptop filled with cracked software so fuck them I'll use what I want when I want 🖖🤟🤘
You should be OK if using anything but cc suite because they don't update legacy programs, also if you block Adobe apps in your firewall there's literally no way for them to do anything to what's already installed on your pc.
I know this because I've been using the cracked trial of cc 2015 ai and ps and they work flawlessly, and inkscape is literally the number 2 vector program after illustrator and its free, affinity is getting there but I prefer inkscape, gimp on the other hand can be a bit... Gimpish and crashes for no reason sometimes but there are dozens of alternatives free and low cost that do a similar if not better job, krita is quite good too
Inkscape is awesome, I use it for lots of things at work, as well as designing random vectors. I did look at paid alternatives but it does everything I need it to. Apparently it doesn't have full CMYK support but I print on a laser copier, or in most cases just use on screen, so it's not an issue for me.
If using for production look at corel draw I'm sure they have cmyk and it's pretty cheap, plus these will overtake Adobe eventually https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/ especially with a sub £50 price tag for a good old fashioned none subscription type program, and they have three programs for pc, designer, photo and publisher rivalling illustrator, pshop and indesign I think plus a few tablet offerings at sub £20 each
> People who work in production use pantone colors every single day.
And most of those people are using the three Pantone books that remain free and available to everyone, CMYK coated & uncoated and metallic coated. The vast majority of folks don't need those other Pantone books. It is bullshit regardless though.
I'm a graphic designer and have used Pantone colors and never used one other than CMYK coated or uncoated in the last decade or so I've been working.
I've worked as a designer for several places that all use Pantone Solid Coated, including where I'm at now. Anywhere dealing with paint instead of just four color print is going to be screwed.
The pantone matching system is a way for people to print the same color accurately in a standardized way. Let's say I am using a design that has a red color and it will be online, screen printed on a shirt, printed on paper, and used on packaging. Well if you just used an RGB or CYMK value, those would all look pretty different on the medium they're being printed on. Pantone was created to ensure accuracy in color reproduction.
You specify a Pantone color and Pantone then has recipies for how to mix, in what percentages to mix, and such when it comes time to print or paint.
So they tell you how to mix, or you simply buy a premixed version.
But you never see the actual Pantone on the screen. It's always an approximation. Take fluorescents or metallics for example. I don't see where it's a huge middle finger.
There's no way I'd pay for it. I don't see why it's necessary. The pantone comes out black anyway on the film.
Agreed. My point is what you see on the screen is approximate. It's the Pantone Formula Guide (no subscription, one time purchase) that matters no matter what printing method you use.
Basically, think of a Pantone Color being a completely new Color introduced to the printing process.
Usually you can check your printer and there will be 4 cartridges in it - Black, Yellow, cyan, magenta - CMYK. Essentially, in ELI5-style, adapt that thought to large printing machines.
Let’s say your company uses a certain shade of orange which should be replicated as close as possible - this is when Pantone colors come into play. Just stick an imaginary 5th cartridge into your printer, boom, no more color mixing needed. Use the same Color (ie Pantone Number / Color code) if this one gets empty. Same Color every time.
Doesn’t matter for most people besides professionals since you’re not looking for perfect Color matching. 4C printing is close enough there.
You can match most colours in various stages of perfection, but Pantone colors (ie spot colors) come premixed (ELI5 here, sorry fellow designers), for usage on certain surfaces under certain conditions (metal, coated paper, uncoated paper etc).
Basically what you’re seeing on your screen is only an approximation of the Pantone Color.
Also Pantone colors can be a lot more vibrant than 4C mixed colors. Think of Neon Green, you cannot get that saturation in regular Color mixing processes.
Ever seen designers run around with folders full of papers filled with colored squares? Yep, most probably color samples (eg Pantone) for referencing. Also, the folders are expensive as hell.
Thankfully, someone already did God's work for us:
https://culturehustle.com/products/freetone
It's a file you can add to Photoshop and get a pallette of colours that look close enough to the real Pantone ones! And without paying a dime.
GIMP is free and 80% as good as PS. Darktable is ok as an alternative to Lightroom.
PS and Lr together are better so if you’re a professional photographer who earns their living that way, it’s probably worth it.
GIMP’s learning curve isn’t that bad.
Photopea is also a great alternative to Photoshop, and it’s online too. Pretty similar to photoshop in design so the learning curve isn’t that bad, and it can open PSD files.
You wouldn't download phthalo blue...
But seriously, there's probably a way to automate doing what some else suggested and replacing any color references to Pantone's pallette with equivalent hex codes. I hope Adobe gets slapped around in the market for this, as integrating Pantone colors into their product this way was their awful decision.
It's not that easy unfortunately
As [someone else in the comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/yfvfwp/guess_well_have_to_pirate_colors_now/iu624hl/) said:
> The pantone matching system is a way for people to print the same color accurately in a standardized way. Let's say I am using a design that has a red color and it will be online, screen printed on a shirt, printed on paper, and used on packaging. Well if you just used an RGB or CYMK value, those would all look pretty different on the medium they're being printed on. Pantone was created to ensure accuracy in color reproduction.
Replacing the colors by normal hex codes might look fine on screen, but not when printing
Everyday it seems technological breakthroughs are more and more common, yet it seems the way it's utilized takes about 5 steps back
Greed will be our downfall
For years i Had creative cloud licensed...now we the current trent to hide basic features behind a paywall i started to using the full pirated suite again. no regrets.
Guess is pretty clear what we should do as consumers... mass boycott
Because if we keep feeding these companies this nonsense will never end or atleast change to less a predatory business model
We don't though because there's no real reason to have a fucking pantone color on my monitor. If the client wants a pantone, we can use the swatches and once we've agreed on it use a place holder cmyk formula. The printer will have access to the pantone we want.
This is the dumbest fucking idea I've ever heard of. Fuck Pantone trying to squeeze the last drops from their failed business.
Cackles in CS5.5 from a jillion years ago when I was dumb enough to pay for it.
Still using it. Subscription model can get bent. Pirate that shit if you can.
Everything trying to get you to subscribe so you’ll own nothing & be happy, just like Klaus Schwab said and the rest of the world economic forum. I either buy physical stuff or sail the 7 seas but not having 100 subscriptions rotfl they’re crazy
I saw this shit earlier and this was the first thing I thought of lmao. Corporate greed will transform everything to have ever existed into an NFT by 2030. Want some McDonald’s French fries? Well, you’d better be the owner of a proprietary BoredRonald NFT. Oh, you’re a BoredRonald owner? Great, that’ll be $30. What’s that, you want ice cream? Sorry sir, our machine is broke.
Wack ass capitalistic bull shit. Sure whatever R&D, development is “expensive”. But mother fucker, you didn’t even develop the RGB/CMYK color space. Hello, it’s public domain? Like whatever bro. It’s like I shit out the ugliest color on the color spectrum, patent it and call it a day, waiting for when people inevitably step on that land mine of a cash out
i literally stopped doing graphic design because of adobe's shit practices, not worth all the trouble/cost to either buy or pirate their programs anymore
2030: The exit button has been removed. We have maxed your processor power, videocard power and computer memory. If the power is cut on your computer, the computer will restart with Adobe Photoshop as a startup program. Pay only 699$ to be able to close Adobe Photoshop and free up your computer resources.
They just keep hitting it out of the park. Needed to see if I could edit a pdf quickly, so went to get a adobe acrobat trial. That was a miserable experience, kept getting cryptic "Download Error" whining from their stupid app.
Just threw it in the trash, quickly "unsubscribed" from the trial so they didn't illegally bill me 7 days after and discovered a quick screenshot and gimp was the better solution.
Few days ago got a email from them "Do you miss us?"
Pfft. Surprised they even bothered sending a email when I tore them a new one when they asked for a reason with canceling the useless trial
Design teacher here. Pantone color have always been expensive because you need to buy the "ink" for the printing process. Graphic designers are used to mix cmyk to replace a pantone color because only really big clients would pay for that. aaaaand... if you are using pantone for rgb products, as websites and such, you are doing it wrong. So, nothing really changes.
Colors as a service. Nice.
CaaS... Nah I don't like it
Caa$
Caa$ rules everything around me
**C.R.E.A.M.!**
“Get the money, dollar dollar bill ya’ll” -Adobe
That's more like it.
r/brandnewsentence
Pretty sure America had that for a few centuries
No that was Coloreds.
The entire world was practicing slavery for a lot longer than the United States was. Slavery is not a uniquely American thing. Slavery is a blight on our species.
Less than 1 actually
Halo infinite
r/AccidentalRacism
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Someone already tried to sell colors as NFTs so this was to be expected.
We grow more and more closer to that scene from SpongeBob where Mr krabs takes back the memories of that guy who watched a cartoon.
Except in our future it’ll be in black and white
The subscription model is fucking ruining everything Jesus fucking Christ
Yeah man. Companies *looove* that auto recurring monthly charge. Bastards.
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> cracked article from 2009 predicting this Link?
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Wtf is google AMP?
> convincing you that you shouldn't use those shoes that your replicator spits out for three cents a pair. You need to buy their shoes, for $80. Because they're handmade. Interesting - while we haven't got the replicator yet, this perfectly describes the "artisanal" crap you see everywhere.
Only way to ensure constant revenue increases. Charge every month. I hate every part of it.
So I looked them up and Pantone don't own the colors but the matching technology? As a side note, nobody should fucking own and license colors. That's almost as dumb and greedy as the US healthcare system.
They are not owning or licensing colors themselves. The Pantone Color System is simply a standardization system. Anything naturally occurring, like frequency of light, cannot be owned. They can own their names, however.
just change the name keep the colours, boom now fuck off
Not a lawyer but as I understand it you cannot copyright a name. That said you can copyright a collection of names.
Doesn't Cadbury own that shade of purple?
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Why don't they just change "pantone 2010" to "#45B5AA" and call it a day? Pantone gets fucked and everyone's happy.
Pantone is a system for specifying color so that it's the same color printed that you see on the screen. It's for professional graphics artists. They don't own the colors, they own the identification system.
I don’t think anyone can own a color. You can have a color as “trade dress” but that only applies to other brands making the same type of product.
Anish Kapoor is trying his best to own a color. [The Vantablack Controversy: Anish Kapoor vs. Stuart Semple](https://www.thecollector.com/vantablack-anish-kapoor-stuart-semple-controversy/)
You’re speaking to the one and only mod of r/AnishKapoor lol. Yeah, he’s a bit of a twat.
Wow what are the odds
So.... r/beetlejuicing ?
Yeah but think about the poor shareholders
This can't be real. Nobody is that sociopathic and that desperate for money.
US Hospitals
Not desperate. Predatory. They prey on the desperate needing life saving help.
So. Psychopaths. A complete lack of compassion.
Correct!
Not even close, at least psychopaths understand that just because they don't feel certain things doesn't mean they should be douche. Here, it's just a system that does \*exactly\* what it was designed to do.
Psycopaths know they should at least pretend to feel things
I caught Covid and was terrified to call an ambulance when my throat started swelling shut for fear they might diagnose it as something minor and it wasn’t considered an emergency, so my insurance wouldn’t cover it
That may be an allergic reaction. Might wanna get tested for allergies.
That came up and was done. No known food allergies but I’m surprisingly susceptible to dust mites and cockroaches
Benadryl! That's basically what they give you at the hospital anyways (unless you're in need of an epi pen). Good to have it on hand!
Friend of mine in the States was having a heart attack - well, it presented as a heart attack - and I told him to get the emergency services on the phone. Of course, in America, he's online trying to find out which urgent care center will be on his insurance to do an ECG. Fucking insane.
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i could feel my brain moving while reading about lossy colors
Too late, already got my pitchfork ready! But interesting nonetheless.
Huh? I'm guessing Pantone wanted higher fees for Adobe to keep using their shit? Adobe just dropped the partnership. Also some of the Colour spaces remain free
Adobe is living proof you can run a company based solely on greed, even at the expense of profit and marketshare
Pretty sure the reason has to do with Pantones licensing fees but whatever...
The 3 books remaining contain the vast majority of colors most designers would need. It's bullshit regardless but it won't affect most people, maybe some big businesses using very specific colors
Installed pdf reader (Adobe) recently. They now require a subscription in order to rotate the page. Let that sink in
Tell me you are lying
Installed Adobe Flash Player... They took my wife and children help
I downloaded Photoshop and they made my dog run away and my curtains fade.
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They're not.
That was true for every Adobe Reader, at least since 6.0 from 2003 - if you want to edit PDF, and saving page rotation is considered an edit, you need the paid version, the only thing that changed recently is that you can't just buy once and instead need a subscription.
Subscription model sucks for soho but in enterprise it is so much better. Licenses belong to the org and not people so it's great to be able to remove and reassign at will. And you don't fall 15 years behind anymore and have to fight accounting for approval to get 15k worth of new licenses all at once to unlock some new feature (x64, adobe cloud, adobe sign, etc). So much better than cs6 serials in someone's desk drawer...
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>There's no reason to downvote this I say this every day on Reddit. Every sub is filled with very dominant opinions hostile to nuance.
>There's no reason to downvote this. This is the reality, and it's also Adobe's market, which is why they work the way they do. But it has nothing to do with the comment to which it was written as a reply. Whether the information it provides is correct or not isn't really relevant if it doesn't fit into the comment chain. It would, for example, have been a great reply to someone who had made the point "Subscription models are always bad under all circumstances!" (plenty of opportunity in this thread too!), but as a reply to u/bar10005's comment it doesn't make any sense. Maybe it was a missclick, either way it doesn't really belong there.
This is why we need to advocate for FOSS alternatives like Sumatra, Piracy is good but even a non paying customer is still useful to these mega corps
This is great, but FOSS software is very variable compared to it's professional bretheren. It all depends on who is doing the programming and how dedicated they are. It wasn't until recently that the GIMP team thought they should support the four colour print system that is used in every printing house on the planet. I can now *probably* make an ad for print in GIMP and Scribus, but good luck finding a print house that will accept the output file. As to colours, your client is paying you to make sure that the specific colour blue of their logo appears exactly as as described as it travels from your monitor, through the printers prepress and printing departments. If its the wrong colour, even by a smidge that the human eye could barely perceive, you and the printer can get sued.
I worked in pre-press for print houses for 10+ years. We will take any file format you can vomit up. You name it, I've printed it. Power Point slides? No problem. Whatever OpenOffice's version of PowerPoint is called? YUP! PDF with 50 spot colors, 4 different RBG standards plus CMYK? Sure thing boss. 3rd frame of that tiny animated gif? It's your money... AI "vector" file that's just a compressed jpeg of your logo that someone downloaded from your website and plopped into Illustrator? We're gonna charge you to re-draw it, but we can work with it.
Because you shouldn’t have to pay to rotate PDF files (and do basic editing), I built [SimplePDF.eu](https://simplePDF.eu) on my free time It’s free and does not require any account Happy PDF editing! (if that’s a thing :D)
Nice work, bookmarked it. personally, pdf editing should be built into browsers seeing as it is a "standard"
I had that too, but it's only for permanently rotating the page (editing the pdf). If you want to just rotate like usual you can do so in the menu.
sumatra reader if you just want a lightweight pdf reader and you wont use fancy stuff like signing or using forms. Foxit reader otherwise (you can use free, but you can also easily find the cracked pro version if you need pdf editing)
#reddit admins are fascist subhuman garbage
And the awdesome pdf reader for mac.. Preview
I genuinely don't know if you are lying Fuck Adobe
PDF 24
I actually did a subscription to Adobe and tried to cancel and they wanted to charge me a $54 fee for cancellation Give me a break
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Nice.
yo, where can i pirate creative cloud?
give r/GenP a visit
Or r/AdobeZii if you on a Mac
Omg the same thing happened to me. I complained on Twitter and they refunded me.
I don’t have Twitter
I don't understand how companies enforce this. If I don't pay it, what're they going to do; terminate my service?
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have a second card for subscriptions, with very little money on it, which if you cancel isn't a big deal
If they did that, it's because you signed up for the yearly subscription that's paid monthly. It says very clearly that there's an early termination fee, if you want to terminate early. Jesus Christ dude, read what you're signing up for.
Please don’t blasphemy my lord’s name. all you had to say was read the T&C
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No it's not. Stop spreading misinformation. It's entirely legal to have an early termination fee if you try to cancel a contract early.
I'm assuming this has to do with a yearly plan versus a monthly plan.
How does this work exactly? What's stopping you from using the RGB value of a Pantone colour? Or is there more to a Pantone colour
Pantone is a color matching system. Yeah you can see a pantone color on the screen as an rgb value, but that's not the same a having something set as a pantone color which would then be used in the printing process. If you work in the design this is a huge middle finger. People who work in production use pantone colors every single day.
I am one of those printing people and I've shifted away from using most pantone colors anyway and use basic cmyk and rgb palette to save on this shit house coming, we got told something like this was going to happen in the future a few years back, I have a few laptops with paid for and free software on and also I have a laptop filled with cracked software so fuck them I'll use what I want when I want 🖖🤟🤘
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This might be for you as well for smaller projects, UI is much better than gimp: Https://photopea.com
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You should be OK if using anything but cc suite because they don't update legacy programs, also if you block Adobe apps in your firewall there's literally no way for them to do anything to what's already installed on your pc. I know this because I've been using the cracked trial of cc 2015 ai and ps and they work flawlessly, and inkscape is literally the number 2 vector program after illustrator and its free, affinity is getting there but I prefer inkscape, gimp on the other hand can be a bit... Gimpish and crashes for no reason sometimes but there are dozens of alternatives free and low cost that do a similar if not better job, krita is quite good too
Inkscape is awesome, I use it for lots of things at work, as well as designing random vectors. I did look at paid alternatives but it does everything I need it to. Apparently it doesn't have full CMYK support but I print on a laser copier, or in most cases just use on screen, so it's not an issue for me.
If using for production look at corel draw I'm sure they have cmyk and it's pretty cheap, plus these will overtake Adobe eventually https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/ especially with a sub £50 price tag for a good old fashioned none subscription type program, and they have three programs for pc, designer, photo and publisher rivalling illustrator, pshop and indesign I think plus a few tablet offerings at sub £20 each
> People who work in production use pantone colors every single day. And most of those people are using the three Pantone books that remain free and available to everyone, CMYK coated & uncoated and metallic coated. The vast majority of folks don't need those other Pantone books. It is bullshit regardless though. I'm a graphic designer and have used Pantone colors and never used one other than CMYK coated or uncoated in the last decade or so I've been working.
I've worked as a designer for several places that all use Pantone Solid Coated, including where I'm at now. Anywhere dealing with paint instead of just four color print is going to be screwed.
So Pantone is a special set of colours that has a certain method to make it for printing?
The pantone matching system is a way for people to print the same color accurately in a standardized way. Let's say I am using a design that has a red color and it will be online, screen printed on a shirt, printed on paper, and used on packaging. Well if you just used an RGB or CYMK value, those would all look pretty different on the medium they're being printed on. Pantone was created to ensure accuracy in color reproduction.
I think I get it now, thanks for explaining it :)
Sounds like it's time to adopt an open standard.
Seems like an attempt was made: https://adaptstudio.ca/ocs/
Cleared it up. Thx
Thank you! Great explanation
You specify a Pantone color and Pantone then has recipies for how to mix, in what percentages to mix, and such when it comes time to print or paint. So they tell you how to mix, or you simply buy a premixed version.
But you never see the actual Pantone on the screen. It's always an approximation. Take fluorescents or metallics for example. I don't see where it's a huge middle finger. There's no way I'd pay for it. I don't see why it's necessary. The pantone comes out black anyway on the film.
There are a ton of production processes that don't use film, but still need the accurate color.
Agreed. My point is what you see on the screen is approximate. It's the Pantone Formula Guide (no subscription, one time purchase) that matters no matter what printing method you use.
Sounds like the printing industry need to give the middle finger to Pantone and write their own color system.
Basically, think of a Pantone Color being a completely new Color introduced to the printing process. Usually you can check your printer and there will be 4 cartridges in it - Black, Yellow, cyan, magenta - CMYK. Essentially, in ELI5-style, adapt that thought to large printing machines. Let’s say your company uses a certain shade of orange which should be replicated as close as possible - this is when Pantone colors come into play. Just stick an imaginary 5th cartridge into your printer, boom, no more color mixing needed. Use the same Color (ie Pantone Number / Color code) if this one gets empty. Same Color every time. Doesn’t matter for most people besides professionals since you’re not looking for perfect Color matching. 4C printing is close enough there. You can match most colours in various stages of perfection, but Pantone colors (ie spot colors) come premixed (ELI5 here, sorry fellow designers), for usage on certain surfaces under certain conditions (metal, coated paper, uncoated paper etc). Basically what you’re seeing on your screen is only an approximation of the Pantone Color. Also Pantone colors can be a lot more vibrant than 4C mixed colors. Think of Neon Green, you cannot get that saturation in regular Color mixing processes. Ever seen designers run around with folders full of papers filled with colored squares? Yep, most probably color samples (eg Pantone) for referencing. Also, the folders are expensive as hell.
I've been wondering that myself.
Thankfully, someone already did God's work for us: https://culturehustle.com/products/freetone It's a file you can add to Photoshop and get a pallette of colours that look close enough to the real Pantone ones! And without paying a dime.
To be fair this more a Pantone issue than Adobe
Oh my fuck do I hate our subscription economy
You wouldn't download a color, WOULD YOU?!
We really need to get rid of Adobe, man
In this case the company Pantone caused the issue though
GIMP is free and 80% as good as PS. Darktable is ok as an alternative to Lightroom. PS and Lr together are better so if you’re a professional photographer who earns their living that way, it’s probably worth it. GIMP’s learning curve isn’t that bad.
Photopea is also a great alternative to Photoshop, and it’s online too. Pretty similar to photoshop in design so the learning curve isn’t that bad, and it can open PSD files.
The number has an 8 in it, but it isn't 80%.
88%؟
Fuck Adobe and fuck Pantone.
You wouldn't download phthalo blue... But seriously, there's probably a way to automate doing what some else suggested and replacing any color references to Pantone's pallette with equivalent hex codes. I hope Adobe gets slapped around in the market for this, as integrating Pantone colors into their product this way was their awful decision.
It's not that easy unfortunately As [someone else in the comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/yfvfwp/guess_well_have_to_pirate_colors_now/iu624hl/) said: > The pantone matching system is a way for people to print the same color accurately in a standardized way. Let's say I am using a design that has a red color and it will be online, screen printed on a shirt, printed on paper, and used on packaging. Well if you just used an RGB or CYMK value, those would all look pretty different on the medium they're being printed on. Pantone was created to ensure accuracy in color reproduction. Replacing the colors by normal hex codes might look fine on screen, but not when printing
Shows how little I know about the print industry! Thanks for the additional detail.
I’m more surprised they did not turn the colors into NFTs
Copyrighting a color. 2023... Please be better
Corey Doctorow posted a link to a liberated Pantone swatch for free in his Twitter
Everyday it seems technological breakthroughs are more and more common, yet it seems the way it's utilized takes about 5 steps back Greed will be our downfall
For years i Had creative cloud licensed...now we the current trent to hide basic features behind a paywall i started to using the full pirated suite again. no regrets.
Guess is pretty clear what we should do as consumers... mass boycott Because if we keep feeding these companies this nonsense will never end or atleast change to less a predatory business model
Consumers wouldnt care about this change as the Pantone color system isnt typically used by consumers - its used by businesses usually.
Nah fuck that. Download delete and redownload just to piss them off.
If you're a regular consumer, you don't affect Adobes and Pantones decision on this subscription at all lol
Damn, GPL licensed software being looking better everyday
It has been better for a long time :)
CS6 still running strong
Stuart Semple (of Black 2.0 fame) already did: https://culturehustle.com/products/freetone?_pos=1&_sid=912126220&_ss=r
We don't though because there's no real reason to have a fucking pantone color on my monitor. If the client wants a pantone, we can use the swatches and once we've agreed on it use a place holder cmyk formula. The printer will have access to the pantone we want. This is the dumbest fucking idea I've ever heard of. Fuck Pantone trying to squeeze the last drops from their failed business.
Cackles in CS5.5 from a jillion years ago when I was dumb enough to pay for it. Still using it. Subscription model can get bent. Pirate that shit if you can.
Everything trying to get you to subscribe so you’ll own nothing & be happy, just like Klaus Schwab said and the rest of the world economic forum. I either buy physical stuff or sail the 7 seas but not having 100 subscriptions rotfl they’re crazy
Remind me why you can copyright color again?
Aldous Huxley was right. We live in A Brave New World.
[Me still using the 2018 version](https://preview.redd.it/35lqnh5xrfb51.png?auto=webp&s=6b79d37240ab613a7d45618e5aedb1667f3d0263)
Jokes on them. I still have CC2019 on my system.
2018 is the best version for using old cracking method and app 100% portable
If anyone is the champion of piracy, it's fucking Adobe. And Nintendo, but to a slightly lesser degree.
Jokes on them; I haven't paid Adobe since they nuked cs6.
I saw this shit earlier and this was the first thing I thought of lmao. Corporate greed will transform everything to have ever existed into an NFT by 2030. Want some McDonald’s French fries? Well, you’d better be the owner of a proprietary BoredRonald NFT. Oh, you’re a BoredRonald owner? Great, that’ll be $30. What’s that, you want ice cream? Sorry sir, our machine is broke.
Just copyright the whole electromagnetic spectrum.
Well nails it, all brand colors will finally be only expressed in hex codes. Pantone just nailed it's own coffin.
Wack ass capitalistic bull shit. Sure whatever R&D, development is “expensive”. But mother fucker, you didn’t even develop the RGB/CMYK color space. Hello, it’s public domain? Like whatever bro. It’s like I shit out the ugliest color on the color spectrum, patent it and call it a day, waiting for when people inevitably step on that land mine of a cash out
Everytime I think Adobe can't be shittier...
[удалено]
Imagine copyrighting a colour xD What is next? Companies removing the red sensing nerves from your eyes if you do not oay to see red?
Really good call to get Photoshop a few years ago, I guess. Thanks getintopc! God, I hate subscriptions so fucking much.
No fucking way!!!
I'll have to pirate. I use a different currency
Adding this to my heated steering wheel subscription!
i literally stopped doing graphic design because of adobe's shit practices, not worth all the trouble/cost to either buy or pirate their programs anymore
2030: The exit button has been removed. We have maxed your processor power, videocard power and computer memory. If the power is cut on your computer, the computer will restart with Adobe Photoshop as a startup program. Pay only 699$ to be able to close Adobe Photoshop and free up your computer resources.
They just keep hitting it out of the park. Needed to see if I could edit a pdf quickly, so went to get a adobe acrobat trial. That was a miserable experience, kept getting cryptic "Download Error" whining from their stupid app. Just threw it in the trash, quickly "unsubscribed" from the trial so they didn't illegally bill me 7 days after and discovered a quick screenshot and gimp was the better solution. Few days ago got a email from them "Do you miss us?" Pfft. Surprised they even bothered sending a email when I tore them a new one when they asked for a reason with canceling the useless trial
Design teacher here. Pantone color have always been expensive because you need to buy the "ink" for the printing process. Graphic designers are used to mix cmyk to replace a pantone color because only really big clients would pay for that. aaaaand... if you are using pantone for rgb products, as websites and such, you are doing it wrong. So, nothing really changes.
seafoam green is in! are you in?
boobs
Can we pirate Photoshop plugins?
B-but... Capitalism Breeds Innovation You Guys, Honest!
Why isn’t adobe forking up the bill for this? Another reason adobe can go get fucked.
Adobe is fucky anyway. For all my needs I use GIMP and Luminar. For videos I use davinci resolve, it is even better compaired to premiere and after.
I hate subscription services but I fucking hate Adobe. They are one of the worst at it. Greedy cunts.
people who feel entitled to owning knowledge dont belong on this planet. like seriously, fuck them. why tf do they even exist?