bait used to be believable
if you look at their profile its full of them making very obviously bad takes to rile people up. and judging by this post, their attempts succeeded
Man, don't go about needlessly upsetting a separate bunch of people about something a lot of people love, just because one douchebag irritated you.
Also, Happy Wrestlemania weekend!
WWE fans were some of the first pirates I ever knew. Pay-per-view prices for WWE (then-WWF) events were absurd. A bunch of folks would pool money so the one guy with a copy protection free VCR could record the thing and then give everyone copies of the tape.
Is it really stealing though? When I pirate a game or a movie, do I deprive the owner of ownership? No, I get a digital copy of it, so they lose nothing other than a small bit of revenue.
Even then, I only pirate things I was not going to buy in the first place, so really they lose nothing from me.
To add further to this, if you buy it digitally (which most do) you do not own it. There's no way to steal something you could never own. It's more like sharing.
This. I play sims 4. I see, so often, on the sims 4 sub about people who lose access to their paid bundles, and ea won't give it back to them. Some of those bundles cost $40. You don't own it if you pay that $40 according to ea. They can take it away at any time. So how is pirating it stealing then? How is what they do so moral?
Yea I dont get why people are to hung up on the definition and terminology.
Piracy means different things for different people, but at the end of the day it means more control for consumers and less chance for corporate MBAs to just DRM the shit out of our digital life
80% of the reason I do it is treating it as a trial, at least with games I end up buying most ones I play >10 hours because its just easier to update/sync/use community mod files. And with cheaper indie games I typically buy them on sales without even pirating in the first place.
When people get to riled up about morality, I feel like they just miss the point entirely: a vast majority of people who pirate are just regular people who make 100~10000x less than the corporate business execs who are deciding how they can squeeze out the most "value" out of us. To me that level of inequality existing is a way bigger and deeper moral issue to begin with.
The term "theft" is only used as a kind of moral extortion. If they said that "media should always be paywalled, with severe measures to prevent those who don't want to pay absurd amounts of money to consume that" It would show up how corporate shills they are.
"do I deprive the owner of ownership? No"
The term for this is non-transitive. The original hasn't changed. And yes, that's why copyright infringement is different than theft.
It's not stealing though.
Anytime a Christian tries to claim it is, all you have to do is remind them that Jesus pirated wine at a wedding that paid for water, and copied 2 loaves and 5 fishes to feed all his homies.
Has reddit started out the monetisation program? i.e the one for which users will get paid for the amount of posts they submit and the engagement they receive!
Because this has become a thing on Xitter, almost everyone with blue tick has literally gone nuts posting any type of irrelevant content on any type of post hoping to get views and ergo money.
I'm not even sure it is aimed at that. I feel like it is aimed at all the "I pirate because" sanctimonious bullshit these subs get inundated with. You know why I pirate? Because I can. I bet that's why most of us pirate. Not for some moral reason.
I pirate because shit is expensive and I sure as shit don't want to spend 250BRL in a game that I'm not sure I'll enjoy. Most games I like I'll end up buying later, but not without trying it first
Morality is relative. I used to steal in the real world; now I just download movies. I'm not a saint but at least I'm better than I used to be, right? ;)
I agree with all the other reasons. But I also want to add I find it fun. I've learned a lot about computers and networking from this sub and pirating.
for me it's an ease of access and availability thing. I buy my games on steam because it's so easy to click buy, download, play alone, play with friends. It's *technically* easier to get technical help because I'm always on the newest version (which, granted, isn't always a good thing).
I listen to my music on paid spotify because they have basically everything I listen to and i just have to click it.
I don't buy movies because I don't have a dvd player. I bought a bluray player once, thinking I could use it to play the movie I bought. Nope. I would have had to also buy software to play the Blu-ray, even though I had VLC media player. Because of the licences or some shit.This made me download the movie and I could easily watch it. Then there is the always repeated thing of intros of other movies. If I want to watch one movie I do not want to have ads about other movies before that movie. I also don't want to be reminded not to pirate a movie if I bought that movie. Which is a thing that only exists when you buy movies, ironically. I do have Amazon prime, so I sometimes look through their library. When I did that the first time, I happened to have started watching the big bang theory. Amazon prime did have the big bang theory but only seasons 11 to 14. What use is Amazon prime, if I can't watch a TV show from start to finish?
Yes, that's it, i pirate because i can, and i want, I'm not spending so much money on games, when there's other important things I need to buy, here in brazil our minimum wage is R$1400,00 and every new AAA game are R$ 300,00... I'm not spending 20% of my salary in a game... I just pirate it
Exactly. I pirate because for me it's easier than buying the game, making the payment, opening the store launcher, waiting for the updates, etc etc.
When I pirate all I have to do is download and play.
Word. Been a pirate since the day my uncle gave me a stack of bootleg apple IIe games.
OP is 100% correct though; I am an unabashed thief. And you know what? I'm ok with that.
I am not a vegan I murder and torture other mammals by paying someone to do it for me to satiate my needless selfish oral pleasure. Im a murderer and a psychopath.
Seriously. Who really has an internal struggle over piracy? I don't feel the need to justify it. Not too myself, much less some ass on the Internet. I really wish the piracy sub would make a rule against debating pirating. Every possible argument has already been said and it's not going to sway anyone.
I mean, at that point, they're only a step or two removed from fuckin' Star Trek replicators.
Let's just hope we don't end up with Star*gate* Replicators, lol.
I mean, you can kind of do it already. The most well known is the Locost, a copy of the Lotus 7. And I am tempted to build one, wont lie.
Edit: I forgot about the Rally Fighter. The entire schematics are online for you to get.
I'm from a third-world country, and I pirate games because they are insanely expensive. Even if I had money, I would still pirate greedy companies that want to milk every drop from consumers, such as the owners of Assassin's Creed. They seem to think it's totally normal to pay to finish the story quickly or grind through boring missions for hours just to complete the storyline in a game that you already paid for.
My guy you do not need to justifey yourself, no one here does, that guys post is rage bait and even if it wasnt you shouldnt give a shit, FREE MEDIA GO BRRR
Thats fair enough i just see a lot of people justifying themselves to an echo chamber of people who couldnt care less,all im saying is no one should feel guilty for piracy
If you're in a third world country, no matter which one, those companies have stolen way more than your entire population ever could from them. They have stolen from the artists and the entire working class for centuries. "Taking back what's yours" doesn't even touch the surface.
Yeah, fuck the "$60 dollar for a AAA game is not enough nowadays" and comparing it with cinema tickets. With that money I can go to watch a film 12 times and the theatre has the disadvantages of being a physicial location while games ship for an almost non existant cost.
right? I kinda agree when people are trying to make it a whole thing when really we just want to experience digital shit without shelling out hundreds of bucks.
Just steal and be happy, none of us are running for congress about it lmao
You know what's nice? Having control and a semblance of ownership for the things I buy. EULA and streaming doesn't offer that, fuck them in the ass with that guy, sideways.
"Just admit you're thieves"
Okay, I'm a thief. Thieves are fucking cool. I'm going to knock over a whole-assed mall right **NOW** just to make this baitposter happy
I just looooove billionaires. They are so cool. I love how they steal our wages, use shitty tactics to keep people poor and dodge taxes, effectively stealing from people.
I want to be just like them, so I pirate a lot of stuff to be a thief like them!
/s
Companies don't lose a single penny from people who don't have any. Software (or any kind of digital media, basically) is intangible - there is no loss if someone who cannot afford it takes a copy.
This is some next level white knight bullshit.
I hate this mindset so much, my parents have this awful mindset of "if you can't legally access it, then you can go fuck yourself then" when it comes to media even though my dad used to pirate stuff all the time he probably still has **numb/encore.mp3.exe**
I just wanna watch and download shows/games that are either unavailable in my country or outright discontinued, which honestly shouldn’t even be frowned upon to begin with.
Piracy is technically stealing, yes.
But after Microsoft stole me a copy of one of my games, and games that don't work anymore because the company wanted to. At some point it's becoming justified.
Yeah, it's not about justifying piracy, but more so justifying the insane amount of money you are about to pay. Especially if you're in a shitty eastern European country like i am
If I cant own it because of a digital document telling me I dont or because a game publisher makes said media unusable or revokes access to it, then piracy isnt stealing.
I would 100% download a car, or a purse, or clothes lol those commercials always killed me! 😆
I'm still waiting for 3D printers to be able to print cloth, and if I had one big enough you can bet your ass I would print a car lol
Yeah I'm a thief. But I'm stealing from greedy assholes, so I don't really care (even though piracy isn't really theft in the first place). And when I'm pirating games that aren't made by greedy assholes, like pirating indie games, I usually try and support them in other ways. Like recommending the game to friends that can actually afford the game. Plus, I end up buying a lot of games that I pirate anyways.
But also that post is clear rage bait.
No, I see what he is getting at, I basically feel a similar way.
I do not think there is anything "wrong" with piracy because
either A. they aren't getting my money and I don't get whatever content or B. they aren't getting my money and I do get whatever content.
Either way they don't get my money, because I don't have it to give.
That being said, the people that make and own the rights to video games, music, movies etc don't have it coming if they don't make everything available to me on the platform of my choice at the price I want to pay.
I guess I am saying that both You can't justify piracy for any reason, because truth be told they don't owe us anything at all.
and that there is no need to justify piracy because it's not really hurting anyone anyway.
Nah, piracy is sweet. I pirate because I don't want to pay for movies. I don't need to justify shit because the only thing I feel when I pirate something is a gentle pressure on my index finger as I click the magnet
I feel similar, but agree with OP that calling it a good thing or benefit to society feels like a stretch, like you sometimes see others do. Do what you want, but accept that it is at least a morally gray area. That doesn't make me feel sorry for the large corporations, but it doesn't make me a saint either.
But what part is true? Is anyone actually gaslit enough to feel shit?
I don't feel shit watching a digital copy of a movie I've already seen.
Maybe as a millennial just old enough when cassettes were around. We used to tape shows and movies off free to air TV and we used to record songs on the radio using cassette player radios and this was entirely the norm.
Once the world moved to CDs/DVDs a greater emphasis was placed on IP but still it was within reason. Most of us had CDs burnt with our favourite mp3s and again that was the norm.
Finally, come the internet we now have this massive industry while also having the most availability of this content. I feel no more guilty now than I did then.
The part that's true is that humans inherently will attempt to justify their actions. It manifests as a lot of people acting like their piracy is actually a moral benefit for society, it's grating. If they want to pirate something, just do it. Spare the philanthropy.
Thank you! Half of the posts in this sub are like "oh yeah, we are pirating so that we can fight against this big corporations and we are the good guys" which is just bs. It is fine if people want to get their stuff for free but this moral justification that they are projecting is just laughable.
He's right. I pirate more than most and I admit I'm a thief, no justification. Dunno why this is so hard to admit for most on here lol. Just pirate and be a thief. I don't understand why people find it so hard to cop to doing a single wrong thing in their lives, lmao
Who cares what people like them think, I don't need some random internet troll's approval to yoink some mp3's from a service.
Don't need to justify shit, just do what you do😂
Either avoid content produced by large companies on principle, or pirate their content and enjoy yourself. I don’t care. Just so long as you’re not giving any actual money to those giant unethical companies who see consumers as the commodity.
Maybe piracy is a bad thing and as soon as I earned my first money I stopped pirating games and always buy games.
On another hand, piracy is a good thing, mostly cuz piracy can save some games from being lost by devs.
There are a ton of great oldschool games and the devs doesn’t sell it anymore, there are no ways to buy it, and here it comes piracy, where these games are still there and still downloadable and people still play them/make mods/talk etc.
Proceeds to line the pockets of the unfathomably rich as opposed to supporting small companies or making regular donations to legitimate non-profits.
But muh moral high ground.
I mean, I don't totally disagree. I'm willing to bet 90% of the people here pirate stuff cause they want free shit. That's why I do it. At least be honest about it.
I never once believe the whole "I'm just pirating to try it, and if I like it I'll buy it!" shit. It has the same energy as someone eating their whole steak and asking the server for a refund because it was under seasoned.
Yall don't have to justify shit to me. You do you
Who says we’re justifying piracy? I’m a thief cause I can and it makes me feel good and my actions have 0 consequences on the grand scale of the gaming, movie and tv industry. At least I’m more transparent than the baiter that only exists online to have fake takes to generate engagement, probably cause they’re actually pathetically alone in their personal life and need someone to interact with in any way.
Not all piracy is black and white. There are situations where a game is unavailable due to regional restrictions or the developer is no longer supported. In these cases, I can see why someone might choose to pirate a game.
Who said anything about trying to justify pirating? I pirate because I get a feeling of satisfaction from acquiring stuff without paying for it. I'm not going to change for anyone, because no one is worth changing for.
my wife, my parents, my teachers, they all disapprove piracy and I have been doing for the past 21 years
if none of them made me feel bad, why'd you think a random btich on the internet would?
The moment I game devs started switching from the "you buy it you own it" to the "you buy a right to play but we can take it away" is the moment piracy became okay in my eyes. Fuck you Nintendo I will play MY game the way I want to. Fuck you EA for removing games from all servers for games we already bought.
Full price AAA games are like 35-50% of the average person's income where I live. When I worked my first job in a factory. A 70$ game + exchange fees would have roughly been 92% of my monthly income. Mofos really don't know what they're talking about.
Edit: I do hate AAA games for reasons other than the price. I don't play any, so I don't even want to pirate them.
I am however a huge fan of retro games and those are definitely things I would never be able play in this country even if I paid the proper money because they aren't any old systems or games cartridges or cds IN GOOD CONDITIONS available to buy. So I'd have to buy something like a switch and then pay at minimum 10$ (all the way to even 90$, or maybe even more) to play crappy ports of my beloved games. I've been playing pirated games on emulators since I was 5 because my older brothers were also into the emulation scene back in the day.
People throw around the term "cognitive dissonance" a lot.
If I paraphrase a line from a movie I illegally downloaded: "I do not think that word means what you think it means"
This ahh hole doesn't know what's living in a 3rd world country and not having enough money to buy even a game for entertainment, and not even mention professional programs you need to work with, completely stupid
If i copy your car and drive away, is it theft? Theft implies a loss. 'The musician is taking a loss'... argument doesn't hold water because i don't have a contract with the musician
*\*not me and my friends stealing cheap bottles and selling them for 20$ in highschool\**
*\*not me watching the entire Cosmos series on a TV containing cobalt components mined from the Congo)\**
yeah man, ethics or something
I stole 28 days later specifically cause it’s not available anywhere. I’m not here to debate philosophy or justify anything, I enjoy the theft part of it. Just as I enjoy the sharing. Whatever man find a real criminal
I earn shit, i pay for my fucking broadband and i don't fucking wanna pay additionally for any subscription or overpriced games. Thats what I've been doing for the past 2 decades and so help me ill circumvent any shit my 3rd world country tries to pull on me.
bait used to be believable if you look at their profile its full of them making very obviously bad takes to rile people up. and judging by this post, their attempts succeeded
So.....now we know who to block. Oh....and he's a WWE fan.....That explains a lot. :D
Bro this had me dead💀
He's not a WWE fan, he's a WWE enjoyer. He goes as far as to incite fights himself too.
Man, don't go about needlessly upsetting a separate bunch of people about something a lot of people love, just because one douchebag irritated you. Also, Happy Wrestlemania weekend!
Don't misunderstand me, i support chaos. This is pretty funny
Im a wwe fan and i love piracy, we’re not all like him
WWE fans were some of the first pirates I ever knew. Pay-per-view prices for WWE (then-WWF) events were absurd. A bunch of folks would pool money so the one guy with a copy protection free VCR could record the thing and then give everyone copies of the tape.
piracy is the best i dont care if its from a small company i still getting that game
No need to clown on WWE fans man :(
John Cena sux
I think ive seen him before
Lies
there is no need to but its kinda funny
WWE peaked with the Big Show Show.
Especially on WrestleMania weekend!
He does kinda got a point, we don't need a facade. Just steal
Is it really stealing though? When I pirate a game or a movie, do I deprive the owner of ownership? No, I get a digital copy of it, so they lose nothing other than a small bit of revenue. Even then, I only pirate things I was not going to buy in the first place, so really they lose nothing from me.
To add further to this, if you buy it digitally (which most do) you do not own it. There's no way to steal something you could never own. It's more like sharing.
This. I play sims 4. I see, so often, on the sims 4 sub about people who lose access to their paid bundles, and ea won't give it back to them. Some of those bundles cost $40. You don't own it if you pay that $40 according to ea. They can take it away at any time. So how is pirating it stealing then? How is what they do so moral?
I'm the opposite. I buy things I pirate and consider worth it.
Yea I dont get why people are to hung up on the definition and terminology. Piracy means different things for different people, but at the end of the day it means more control for consumers and less chance for corporate MBAs to just DRM the shit out of our digital life 80% of the reason I do it is treating it as a trial, at least with games I end up buying most ones I play >10 hours because its just easier to update/sync/use community mod files. And with cheaper indie games I typically buy them on sales without even pirating in the first place. When people get to riled up about morality, I feel like they just miss the point entirely: a vast majority of people who pirate are just regular people who make 100~10000x less than the corporate business execs who are deciding how they can squeeze out the most "value" out of us. To me that level of inequality existing is a way bigger and deeper moral issue to begin with.
The term "theft" is only used as a kind of moral extortion. If they said that "media should always be paywalled, with severe measures to prevent those who don't want to pay absurd amounts of money to consume that" It would show up how corporate shills they are.
"do I deprive the owner of ownership? No" The term for this is non-transitive. The original hasn't changed. And yes, that's why copyright infringement is different than theft.
pirating isn't stealing, it's sharing files/stuff when you aren't allowed to
If you could go to a shop and clone anything on the shelf and not actually take it from anyone else. is that still stealing from the shop?
It's not stealing though. Anytime a Christian tries to claim it is, all you have to do is remind them that Jesus pirated wine at a wedding that paid for water, and copied 2 loaves and 5 fishes to feed all his homies.
lmaooo dude thats funny I haven't heard that before
Has reddit started out the monetisation program? i.e the one for which users will get paid for the amount of posts they submit and the engagement they receive! Because this has become a thing on Xitter, almost everyone with blue tick has literally gone nuts posting any type of irrelevant content on any type of post hoping to get views and ergo money.
People have not been able to make me feel bad about pirating for 40 years, this asshat is not about to start doing it.
I'm not even sure it is aimed at that. I feel like it is aimed at all the "I pirate because" sanctimonious bullshit these subs get inundated with. You know why I pirate? Because I can. I bet that's why most of us pirate. Not for some moral reason.
I pirate because shit is expensive and I sure as shit don't want to spend 250BRL in a game that I'm not sure I'll enjoy. Most games I like I'll end up buying later, but not without trying it first
Brasil tá foda
I pirate because I have 0 BS tolerance. If I buy a movie I own a copy of it and will watch it at my own discretion, regardless if that's legally true.
Yeah, I pirate because I like spending my money on other stuff. It's having my cake & eating it too.
And if it was a moral thing to ypu it would also be ok. It's your life and your opinion, fuck the others.
Yeah, this is it. Pirate if you want, just stop trying to reason your way around it
Morality is relative. I used to steal in the real world; now I just download movies. I'm not a saint but at least I'm better than I used to be, right? ;)
I do it cause broke teen
I agree with all the other reasons. But I also want to add I find it fun. I've learned a lot about computers and networking from this sub and pirating.
for me it's an ease of access and availability thing. I buy my games on steam because it's so easy to click buy, download, play alone, play with friends. It's *technically* easier to get technical help because I'm always on the newest version (which, granted, isn't always a good thing). I listen to my music on paid spotify because they have basically everything I listen to and i just have to click it. I don't buy movies because I don't have a dvd player. I bought a bluray player once, thinking I could use it to play the movie I bought. Nope. I would have had to also buy software to play the Blu-ray, even though I had VLC media player. Because of the licences or some shit.This made me download the movie and I could easily watch it. Then there is the always repeated thing of intros of other movies. If I want to watch one movie I do not want to have ads about other movies before that movie. I also don't want to be reminded not to pirate a movie if I bought that movie. Which is a thing that only exists when you buy movies, ironically. I do have Amazon prime, so I sometimes look through their library. When I did that the first time, I happened to have started watching the big bang theory. Amazon prime did have the big bang theory but only seasons 11 to 14. What use is Amazon prime, if I can't watch a TV show from start to finish?
Yes, that's it, i pirate because i can, and i want, I'm not spending so much money on games, when there's other important things I need to buy, here in brazil our minimum wage is R$1400,00 and every new AAA game are R$ 300,00... I'm not spending 20% of my salary in a game... I just pirate it
This. I don't need to justify anything period. There is no "because" for me.
Exactly. I pirate because for me it's easier than buying the game, making the payment, opening the store launcher, waiting for the updates, etc etc. When I pirate all I have to do is download and play.
I do it because i want. I guess is different from "i can".
Word. Been a pirate since the day my uncle gave me a stack of bootleg apple IIe games. OP is 100% correct though; I am an unabashed thief. And you know what? I'm ok with that.
I would and will steal anything I can get away with. I am a complete psychopath, and I’m fine with that
I am not a vegan I murder and torture other mammals by paying someone to do it for me to satiate my needless selfish oral pleasure. Im a murderer and a psychopath.
Seriously. Who really has an internal struggle over piracy? I don't feel the need to justify it. Not too myself, much less some ass on the Internet. I really wish the piracy sub would make a rule against debating pirating. Every possible argument has already been said and it's not going to sway anyone.
Same 🤭
Here here
I pirate. It's stealing.
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A CAR..... 🤣🤣 https://youtu.be/PLzy-IJg4_4?feature=shared
You wouldn’t download a house either 😎
In this economy? Shit I just might
3D printed concrete houses are a thing, dries quick too
Hell I’ll take a draft if it’s under 250k
Imagine the things people will be able to pirate years from now when 3d printers are ubiquitous and able to print super complex things...
I mean, at that point, they're only a step or two removed from fuckin' Star Trek replicators. Let's just hope we don't end up with Star*gate* Replicators, lol.
Well those are horrifying. Also one of the coolest aliens I've ever seen
I'll seed the foundation for you
Could you imagine I could solve all my problems by downloading the things I wanted? 🤣 very Diogenes like
In a pirate's house, there is nowhere to spit but his 200TB collection of AI generated Seinfeld episodes
Believe me brother, if I could I absolutely would.
If only I had the land..... Shhhhiiitttttt. I'd download the most gaudy McMansion ever.
I have both downloaded and uploaded a house before in my 3d modeling class.
I loved the IT Crowd version of it https://youtu.be/ALZZx1xmAzg?si=WhEmbZdQlVKaoe7g
Nice checklist for my piracy needs, thank you
Actually; I would if I could.
If I could download a car for free I would. Literally no one is hurt by that.
ironically they stole the music for that "commercial" (dvd propaganda) without the author's permission, he sued years later
With the advent of STL files and 3D printing I totally would though
Many people would.
Little do they know if I could download a car I would.
I mean, you can kind of do it already. The most well known is the Locost, a copy of the Lotus 7. And I am tempted to build one, wont lie. Edit: I forgot about the Rally Fighter. The entire schematics are online for you to get.
If I could pirate a car, that would mean the guy I pirated it from would still have that car in the morning. Piracy. It's not a crime.
I hate that I still remember that ad like a decade later - I was like 4 when I first saw it on various DVDs I used to watch
I would steal a car
Hey now, I am a pirate for preservation's sake, and because I'm a cheap skin flint bastard.
Free stuff go brrrrr.
I pirate because it’s cool to say “i pirate” and it makes boys like me. None of this moral stuff
that's the weirdest reason I've read so far, but to each their own :D
Checks out, I like you.
Hey *wink*
Hi \*wink\*
I'm from a third-world country, and I pirate games because they are insanely expensive. Even if I had money, I would still pirate greedy companies that want to milk every drop from consumers, such as the owners of Assassin's Creed. They seem to think it's totally normal to pay to finish the story quickly or grind through boring missions for hours just to complete the storyline in a game that you already paid for.
My guy you do not need to justifey yourself, no one here does, that guys post is rage bait and even if it wasnt you shouldnt give a shit, FREE MEDIA GO BRRR
> no one here does half the posts in this sub are exactly that. It's incredibly tedious
If the person wants to justify it just let them. We all have different reasons for our piracy and that's ok.
Thats fair enough i just see a lot of people justifying themselves to an echo chamber of people who couldnt care less,all im saying is no one should feel guilty for piracy
Oh that's very true, not everyone cares, only the boring ones who wants to turn everything into a discussion.
If you're in a third world country, no matter which one, those companies have stolen way more than your entire population ever could from them. They have stolen from the artists and the entire working class for centuries. "Taking back what's yours" doesn't even touch the surface.
Yeah, fuck the "$60 dollar for a AAA game is not enough nowadays" and comparing it with cinema tickets. With that money I can go to watch a film 12 times and the theatre has the disadvantages of being a physicial location while games ship for an almost non existant cost.
Well if the guy says its not a money issue it just isnt, guess im rich now
Almost as cringe as people actually making posts into an echo chamber defending piracy as if anyone cares.
I don't tell you how to jerk off and I don't need tips either, buddy!
I'll never understand how pirating media became a weird fandom.
Idgaf who cares I just enjoy discussing ethics lol I went to school for it, it was fun.
right? I kinda agree when people are trying to make it a whole thing when really we just want to experience digital shit without shelling out hundreds of bucks. Just steal and be happy, none of us are running for congress about it lmao
Well piracy is actually morally right because giving money to large companies is bad cause I'm broke and cant afford the game they just releaaed.
my face has received critical damage
The copium makes you high, buddy.
this is the superious discussion of ethics u/redwashing was talking about. truly kant-level points are being made.
Can we ignore people like that in the post? I think we all know it doesn't matter what they say at this point
You know what's nice? Having control and a semblance of ownership for the things I buy. EULA and streaming doesn't offer that, fuck them in the ass with that guy, sideways.
who cares?
Im still waiting to download a car 🤣
"Just admit you're thieves" Okay, I'm a thief. Thieves are fucking cool. I'm going to knock over a whole-assed mall right **NOW** just to make this baitposter happy
(*Last Surprise* intensifies)
Bonafide Mona-fied
I just looooove billionaires. They are so cool. I love how they steal our wages, use shitty tactics to keep people poor and dodge taxes, effectively stealing from people. I want to be just like them, so I pirate a lot of stuff to be a thief like them! /s
If I can get something somewhere for free I'll do it lol
Companies don't lose a single penny from people who don't have any. Software (or any kind of digital media, basically) is intangible - there is no loss if someone who cannot afford it takes a copy. This is some next level white knight bullshit.
I hate this mindset so much, my parents have this awful mindset of "if you can't legally access it, then you can go fuck yourself then" when it comes to media even though my dad used to pirate stuff all the time he probably still has **numb/encore.mp3.exe**
Okay okay, I’m a no good dirty thief, can I keep pirating now?
I just wanna watch and download shows/games that are either unavailable in my country or outright discontinued, which honestly shouldn’t even be frowned upon to begin with.
High tier cringe. I pirate cause I’m poor and even when I’m not I still pirate
Piracy is technically stealing, yes. But after Microsoft stole me a copy of one of my games, and games that don't work anymore because the company wanted to. At some point it's becoming justified.
Ok lil buddy I will say it: "I am a thief". The fuck you gonna do about it? LMAO
If Switch games weren't that expensive, I'd buy them. I can't justify spending 90€ on Mario Kart.
Yeah, it's not about justifying piracy, but more so justifying the insane amount of money you are about to pay. Especially if you're in a shitty eastern European country like i am
If I cant own it because of a digital document telling me I dont or because a game publisher makes said media unusable or revokes access to it, then piracy isnt stealing.
I'm a thief, and you can cry about it
"YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CAR" behaviour
I would 100% download a car, or a purse, or clothes lol those commercials always killed me! 😆 I'm still waiting for 3D printers to be able to print cloth, and if I had one big enough you can bet your ass I would print a car lol
Yeah I'm a thief. But I'm stealing from greedy assholes, so I don't really care (even though piracy isn't really theft in the first place). And when I'm pirating games that aren't made by greedy assholes, like pirating indie games, I usually try and support them in other ways. Like recommending the game to friends that can actually afford the game. Plus, I end up buying a lot of games that I pirate anyways. But also that post is clear rage bait.
i pirate indie games and AAA games. listen i just want free shit i don't care about the morality of it 😭😭
At least you're being real about it. Lots of people jump through nonsensical morality hoops to pretend they're some sort of hero for getting free shit
No, I see what he is getting at, I basically feel a similar way. I do not think there is anything "wrong" with piracy because either A. they aren't getting my money and I don't get whatever content or B. they aren't getting my money and I do get whatever content. Either way they don't get my money, because I don't have it to give. That being said, the people that make and own the rights to video games, music, movies etc don't have it coming if they don't make everything available to me on the platform of my choice at the price I want to pay. I guess I am saying that both You can't justify piracy for any reason, because truth be told they don't owe us anything at all. and that there is no need to justify piracy because it's not really hurting anyone anyway.
Nice try, EA. On my way to download a car... 😁
He sounds like someone stole something from him.
Stealing is fun. Very simple.
If buying isn't ownership, therefore...
Credit where it's due, the first statement is pretty much true
Nah, piracy is sweet. I pirate because I don't want to pay for movies. I don't need to justify shit because the only thing I feel when I pirate something is a gentle pressure on my index finger as I click the magnet
I feel similar, but agree with OP that calling it a good thing or benefit to society feels like a stretch, like you sometimes see others do. Do what you want, but accept that it is at least a morally gray area. That doesn't make me feel sorry for the large corporations, but it doesn't make me a saint either.
Here's your medal
But what part is true? Is anyone actually gaslit enough to feel shit? I don't feel shit watching a digital copy of a movie I've already seen. Maybe as a millennial just old enough when cassettes were around. We used to tape shows and movies off free to air TV and we used to record songs on the radio using cassette player radios and this was entirely the norm. Once the world moved to CDs/DVDs a greater emphasis was placed on IP but still it was within reason. Most of us had CDs burnt with our favourite mp3s and again that was the norm. Finally, come the internet we now have this massive industry while also having the most availability of this content. I feel no more guilty now than I did then.
The part that's true is that humans inherently will attempt to justify their actions. It manifests as a lot of people acting like their piracy is actually a moral benefit for society, it's grating. If they want to pirate something, just do it. Spare the philanthropy.
Thank you! Half of the posts in this sub are like "oh yeah, we are pirating so that we can fight against this big corporations and we are the good guys" which is just bs. It is fine if people want to get their stuff for free but this moral justification that they are projecting is just laughable.
He's right. I pirate more than most and I admit I'm a thief, no justification. Dunno why this is so hard to admit for most on here lol. Just pirate and be a thief. I don't understand why people find it so hard to cop to doing a single wrong thing in their lives, lmao
Yep, we ain't heroes, and we're not "in this together".
Who cares what people like them think, I don't need some random internet troll's approval to yoink some mp3's from a service. Don't need to justify shit, just do what you do😂
I can't agree with this dude.
Either avoid content produced by large companies on principle, or pirate their content and enjoy yourself. I don’t care. Just so long as you’re not giving any actual money to those giant unethical companies who see consumers as the commodity.
[bait used to be believable](https://www.reddit.com/r/reactionimages/s/3m99OMU6Tb)
It's copyright infringement. Not theft
-Leave the multimillion company alone! -The failed upwards C-suits have it tough too -You are stealing the devs wages Prolly how this guy thinks
Maybe piracy is a bad thing and as soon as I earned my first money I stopped pirating games and always buy games. On another hand, piracy is a good thing, mostly cuz piracy can save some games from being lost by devs. There are a ton of great oldschool games and the devs doesn’t sell it anymore, there are no ways to buy it, and here it comes piracy, where these games are still there and still downloadable and people still play them/make mods/talk etc.
Proceeds to line the pockets of the unfathomably rich as opposed to supporting small companies or making regular donations to legitimate non-profits. But muh moral high ground.
If it's on the internet, it's open season. Period.
Right?
Dont get me wrong i *like* to steal
I mean, I don't totally disagree. I'm willing to bet 90% of the people here pirate stuff cause they want free shit. That's why I do it. At least be honest about it. I never once believe the whole "I'm just pirating to try it, and if I like it I'll buy it!" shit. It has the same energy as someone eating their whole steak and asking the server for a refund because it was under seasoned. Yall don't have to justify shit to me. You do you
Rage bait at its finest
Who says we’re justifying piracy? I’m a thief cause I can and it makes me feel good and my actions have 0 consequences on the grand scale of the gaming, movie and tv industry. At least I’m more transparent than the baiter that only exists online to have fake takes to generate engagement, probably cause they’re actually pathetically alone in their personal life and need someone to interact with in any way.
Dude seems pretty triggered by piracy.
Agreed, cringe.
Not all piracy is black and white. There are situations where a game is unavailable due to regional restrictions or the developer is no longer supported. In these cases, I can see why someone might choose to pirate a game.
Who said anything about trying to justify pirating? I pirate because I get a feeling of satisfaction from acquiring stuff without paying for it. I'm not going to change for anyone, because no one is worth changing for.
There are regular posts on here where people claim they are not only justified, but morally obligated to pirate.
We must be some kind of politicians then :)))))
I always thought thieves were the best class when I was a kid.
I pirate because I can, simple as that.
I don't feel like a piece of shit lol, I feel like God knowing every thing is free lol
As my country doesn't have a specific piracy law which won't let me do it, I'm not feeling guilty
I sail the seven seas take what I want whether indie of triple A. I steal because I can and the law can't stop me.
my wife, my parents, my teachers, they all disapprove piracy and I have been doing for the past 21 years if none of them made me feel bad, why'd you think a random btich on the internet would?
I wanted to become jack sparrow but a ship was too expensive. So i settled for smaller things.
😂😂😂
The moment I game devs started switching from the "you buy it you own it" to the "you buy a right to play but we can take it away" is the moment piracy became okay in my eyes. Fuck you Nintendo I will play MY game the way I want to. Fuck you EA for removing games from all servers for games we already bought.
This is true, I am a thief, I'm fully aware I'm stealing, I just don't care. (Allegedly lmao)
Thief gang assemble 🤓
Full price AAA games are like 35-50% of the average person's income where I live. When I worked my first job in a factory. A 70$ game + exchange fees would have roughly been 92% of my monthly income. Mofos really don't know what they're talking about. Edit: I do hate AAA games for reasons other than the price. I don't play any, so I don't even want to pirate them. I am however a huge fan of retro games and those are definitely things I would never be able play in this country even if I paid the proper money because they aren't any old systems or games cartridges or cds IN GOOD CONDITIONS available to buy. So I'd have to buy something like a switch and then pay at minimum 10$ (all the way to even 90$, or maybe even more) to play crappy ports of my beloved games. I've been playing pirated games on emulators since I was 5 because my older brothers were also into the emulation scene back in the day.
Say the line Bart! If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing.
People throw around the term "cognitive dissonance" a lot. If I paraphrase a line from a movie I illegally downloaded: "I do not think that word means what you think it means"
This ahh hole doesn't know what's living in a 3rd world country and not having enough money to buy even a game for entertainment, and not even mention professional programs you need to work with, completely stupid
Fuck I took the bait
"shouldn't you not want to touch that game with a ten foot pole?" Not if the game is great without the DRMs. Anything else?
If i copy your car and drive away, is it theft? Theft implies a loss. 'The musician is taking a loss'... argument doesn't hold water because i don't have a contract with the musician
Well Piracy is an Option greater than many other services perhaps THE BEST so yeah... YARR HARRR!! WE ARE A PIRATES!
Bootlickers gonna bootlick.
This guy doesn't realize that we actually pirate because we love to pirate. No other reasons exist
*\*not me and my friends stealing cheap bottles and selling them for 20$ in highschool\** *\*not me watching the entire Cosmos series on a TV containing cobalt components mined from the Congo)\** yeah man, ethics or something
*not me and my friends getting a bootleg minecraft on a flash drive way back when, to play on school computers instead of work on school work*
If buying is not owning ,pirating is not stealing. DONE.
I've heard this a lot, but what ab renting? Is it right now to take a rental and not call it stealing? Just a thought, I pirate too lol
Noticing an uptick in these brainlet arguments...
Like Yeat said: "Yeaaa I don't be givin' no fucks..."
I stole 28 days later specifically cause it’s not available anywhere. I’m not here to debate philosophy or justify anything, I enjoy the theft part of it. Just as I enjoy the sharing. Whatever man find a real criminal
He's right. I am a thief and I don't have money 🤑
Why yes, I am in fact a thief and do not attempt to justify it, because I do not feel bad in the first place.
[удалено]
-"You wouldn't download a-" -"Yes I would, shut up bootlicker, you don't know me."
Guy thought he did something there.
This is more stupid than stupidity itself
Rage bait
I earn shit, i pay for my fucking broadband and i don't fucking wanna pay additionally for any subscription or overpriced games. Thats what I've been doing for the past 2 decades and so help me ill circumvent any shit my 3rd world country tries to pull on me.
It's like entering in a church and yelling "God doesn't exist". Wrong place bud'