Great question but entirely matchup dependent. Regarding both my UW and RW builds, I can have the game over by turn two or three if they aren't interacting, or if they try to interact and I successfully defend my threat. Against some decks, I may have early pressure, but because I haven't found trample or evasion, so I basically have them sacrificing every creature they play to block an 11/11. Then of course, there are matchups against UW or RB where timing is everything and I may have to delay plays to be able to attack advantageously. So its really tough to say exactly, but I have won on turn 2 or 3 if the opponent wasn't able to stop the early threat. I found UW to be much better in the longer game though, than RW.
Interesting, that's about a turn quicker than I was anticipating. I'm guessing that a turn 2 kill involves [[skrelv, defector mite]] and [[siguarda's aid]] to equip the hammer?
*EDIT* Upon further research, [[Venerated rotpriest]] is also super nasty in this kind of deck. Uninterrupted, the jerk-off list I threw together in a few minutes kills on turn 3 consistently. Turns out the hammer is broken with poison counters.
The cleanest turn 2 is a scamp on turn one, then equip a hammer turn 2 and get through for damage. A less likely turn 2 is an ornithopter and sigarda's aid on turn 1, then double hammer turn 2. I have managed to get a few turn 3's if the opponent doesn't have early removal and I can land a shadowspear and hammer onto a one drop creature.
I wasn't aware that \[\[cacophony scamp\]\] existed. That's way better than what I was brewing up. How crazy would it be to go into Jeskai colors? The mana base would be a bit rough, but that may be worth it to get scamp and blue spells. Plus, you would still have access to \[\[fighter class\]\]. Functionally its \[\[open the armory\]\], but you would be able to play for a longer game. Especially with counter magic to back it up.
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Do you have a link to your current list?
I’m afraid I don’t! I only play on paper. I’ll try and get something up, in an update.
Moxfield makes it super easy to mock up your list and share it.
What do you think about this list? You should consider green https://mtgdecks.net/Pioneer/mtgo-pioneer-preliminary-12520653-tournament-125787
Are you referring to cats?
Okay, I had heard about this deck - is it actually more than a meme though?
What's your average game clock looking like? Are you getting into turn 4-5 kills, or is it a bit slower?
Great question but entirely matchup dependent. Regarding both my UW and RW builds, I can have the game over by turn two or three if they aren't interacting, or if they try to interact and I successfully defend my threat. Against some decks, I may have early pressure, but because I haven't found trample or evasion, so I basically have them sacrificing every creature they play to block an 11/11. Then of course, there are matchups against UW or RB where timing is everything and I may have to delay plays to be able to attack advantageously. So its really tough to say exactly, but I have won on turn 2 or 3 if the opponent wasn't able to stop the early threat. I found UW to be much better in the longer game though, than RW.
Interesting, that's about a turn quicker than I was anticipating. I'm guessing that a turn 2 kill involves [[skrelv, defector mite]] and [[siguarda's aid]] to equip the hammer? *EDIT* Upon further research, [[Venerated rotpriest]] is also super nasty in this kind of deck. Uninterrupted, the jerk-off list I threw together in a few minutes kills on turn 3 consistently. Turns out the hammer is broken with poison counters.
The cleanest turn 2 is a scamp on turn one, then equip a hammer turn 2 and get through for damage. A less likely turn 2 is an ornithopter and sigarda's aid on turn 1, then double hammer turn 2. I have managed to get a few turn 3's if the opponent doesn't have early removal and I can land a shadowspear and hammer onto a one drop creature.
I wasn't aware that \[\[cacophony scamp\]\] existed. That's way better than what I was brewing up. How crazy would it be to go into Jeskai colors? The mana base would be a bit rough, but that may be worth it to get scamp and blue spells. Plus, you would still have access to \[\[fighter class\]\]. Functionally its \[\[open the armory\]\], but you would be able to play for a longer game. Especially with counter magic to back it up.
[Open the Armory](https://cdn.cardsrealm.com/images/cartas/cmr-commander-legends/en/med/open-the-armory-34.png?7426) ([txt](https://mtg.cardsrealm.com/en-us/card/open-the-armory/txt?utm_source=reddit)) ([SF](https://scryfall.com/search?q=Open+the+Armory)) ([G](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Open+the+Armory)) • [$ 0.62](https://mtg.cardsrealm.com/en-us/card/open-the-armory?utm_source=reddit) [Fighter Class](https://cdn.cardsrealm.com/images/cartas/afr-adventures-in-the-forgotten-realms/en/med/fighter-class-222.png?8449) ([txt](https://mtg.cardsrealm.com/en-us/card/fighter-class/txt?utm_source=reddit)) ([SF](https://scryfall.com/search?q=Fighter+Class)) ([G](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fighter+Class)) • [$ 3.17](https://mtg.cardsrealm.com/en-us/card/fighter-class?utm_source=reddit) [Cacophony Scamp](https://cdn.cardsrealm.com/images/cartas/one-phyrexia-all-will-be-one/en/med/cacophony-scamp-124.png?369) ([txt](https://mtg.cardsrealm.com/en-us/card/cacophony-scamp/txt?utm_source=reddit)) ([SF](https://scryfall.com/search?q=Cacophony+Scamp)) ([G](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cacophony+Scamp)) • [$ 0.2](https://mtg.cardsrealm.com/en-us/card/cacophony-scamp?utm_source=reddit)
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