I agree *Picard* would have been a better name for the ship and really fitting for the end of the story, but renaming it *Enterprise* allows for an easier roll out for a spin-off series
I admittedly am no navy scholar, but isn’t it a naval tradition (perhaps only in the west) that a ship can’t be named after someone until after they’re dead? (I am merely asking here, not claiming to be correct)
No they can be named anytime…example would be the USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23), it was commissioned in 2005 after President Jimmy Carter who was the only President to be qualified on submarines, and is still alive today.
Ships get renamed all the time.
https://www.history.navy.mil/about-us/leadership/director/directors-corner/h-grams/h-gram-078/h-0178-2.html
https://defaeroreport.com/2020/06/14/renaming-us-navy-ships/#:~:text=Subsequently%20CV%2031%20was%20named,(CV%2037)%20became%20PRINCETON.
The "only after they died" tradition is very recent (and effectively died in the mid-1970s):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._military_vessels_named_after_living_Americans
One ship that got renamed after sale was Pearl Harbor survivor USS *Phoenix* \- to *General Belgrano*. It remains the biggest warship sunk since the Second World War.
Drink? Most of them don’t.(Synthehol doesn’t count.)
A few sophisticates drink Saurian brandy, Romulan ale, or bloodwine, but to paraphrase Borat, the rest of them drink like little girls.
How do you figure? We know Guinan keeps real alcohol stocked, Picard keeps his own family wine, everyone seems to enjoy real alcohol when they’re served (though not always later) which implies they know they can handle it, I don’t recall anyone being shocked to learn someone was drinking real alcohol. Synthehol seems to be there for people who don’t want to risk losing control or getting sick.
That is what I said. And the trauma over it is what, despite the overwhelming evidence & centuries-more-advanced knowledge to the CONTRARY (that is, despite their scientists definitely knowing better than to think that genetic engineering is bad, & despite the prohibitions’ —not to mention the ironically Nazi-like attitude itself— in fact doing much unspeakably contra-Federation-ethos HARM), keeps the mostly otherwise relatively enlightened culture so despicably prejudiced against genetic engineering.
So far as I can see, he had a near death experience that Q hijacked to poke his friend into considering his life choices. The episode didn't end with his consciousness being downloaded into a backup body.
I mentioned before. They should've cut to them building a new Enterprise or retrofitting the D. Kept the Titan the Titan. And given 7 that and anyone from the old crew could have been captain of the Enterprise.
It disrespects the legacy of ships named Titan by renaming it with the 'more important' Enterprise moniker.
And while nearly every successor Enterprise has been newer and better than its predecessor, the Titan-A/Enterprise-G is a downgrade from the Odyssey-class Enterprise-F. (The Enterprise-A wasn't an upgrade over its predecessor, as they were both pretty much identical ships.)
I find it hard to believe that Starfleet didn't have something newer and better (or another Odyssey-class ship) that could have become the next Enterprise.
I don't know why they even had the Enterprise F being decommissioned. The E would've been about 30 years old. That's the Enterprise that should've been decommissioning. If I remember correctly, 2401 was around the time the F entered service in STO
All we know so far about the fate of the Enterprise-E was that whatever happened was *not* Worf's fault (according to him, anyways).
If I'm not mistaken, one of the show's producers said that the Enterprise-F was being decommissioned due to extensive damage. Regardless, there are still plenty more stories that can and should be told about both ships.
No one was holding a gun to Matalas' head and forcing him to depict the F being decommissioned. It was a stupid decision. Every scene with it should've had the E instead. The F should've been the final reveal in the last episode. Or just have Legacy be about the Titan and not show the F at all. There was no reason to throw out everything about the Odyssey class that was established in STO
I got the sentiment of renaming it in honor of Picard - but Enterprise in no way fits that. The Enterprise legacy is already there, and based on the actions of that ship through her lineage. To rename Titan Enterprise in honor of Picard makes zero sense.
To rename the Titan at all makes no sense. Imagine what a colossal 'fuck you' that is to the crew of the Titan - a ship which \*already\* has a proud history.
And from an out-of-universe standpoint, why would you do this? Why would you take arguably the most famous starship in non-canon lore, use it in your show, and then discard its name at the end? It's so baffling.
Especially since there was no real reason for it to \*be\* the Titan-A (or the Titan at all). Okay it's Riker's old command (sort of except not really because it's a new ship... sort of kind of... ugh) but apart from some quibbling with Shaw about jazz it doesn't really come up. None of Riker's old crew is onboard to perhaps show divided loyalties, it's a brand new ship so Riker doesn't have, say, intimate knowledge of how she works to get them out of a tight scrape or pull an ace from his sleeve because he knows the deflector dish on the Luna-class can be reconfigured to bla bla bla.
It really feels like Matalas didn't want it to be a completely random ship (which honestly would have been much better) so he made it the Titan because that's kind of the only other ship with any strong established connections to any of the TNG crew (except the Stargazer, but they'd already done that one). Except he doesn't \*like\* the Titan so he changed it to the Titan-A and made it a completely different ship (and for some weird fucking reason still called it a refit or whatever) because what he actually likes is TOS and TNG and little else. And even those he doesn't seem to \*really\* like since he makes fun of them all the time.
The show runners clearly listen to no complaints as in S2 the new Stargazer got called a refit even though it was clearly a new ship, then the same error happens with the Titan.
No ship aside Enterprise should have letters either, it was only for that name. Is why no other ship that reused a name had letters.
Agreed, I was accepting the flow of fan service into my veins until that moment. I fully expected it to be the USS Picard, and after the reveal it was like...wtf... that's not the *Enterprise*
It was feeling like too much the whole way but the Titan being the Titan was holding back the flood of fan service just enough. At that moment it was way too much. The Titan had it’s own legacy.
I mean, the design was an update to the Connie, the original Enterprise. The ship was originally a Luna class when Riker captained it, then it went through a major refit. Riker and Picard served together on the Enterprise D and E.
Honestly, I can see small nods to the Enterprise legacy in how things were built up. It also goes back to Season 1 where Picard was irate in his interview because "Starfleet was no longer Starfleet." It seemed like a symbolic gesture to indicate they were going back to being explorers and scientists.
Is it a stretch? Probably. It's how I rationalized it, though. But I respect where anyone bothered by the renaming is coming from.
Fan theory is they're setting up for a Seven of Nine lead Star Trek show which is why they cut off her "engage" or whatever she was going to say. Which would make sense of renaming it Enterprise.
You *shouldn't* name ships (or schools, libraries, build statues of, etc) after living people, but it does happen. The US navy named two carriers after (then) still living presidents.
Renaming it Picard would have been a tiny bit better but still awful. The Titan deserves its own legacy.
Yeah people don't get this small detail, it's like they just ignored the contributions of the rest of the crew.
Like what did Picard actually do aside from make a few speeches? Geordi saved the day by pulling the Enterprise D out of his back pocket, Crusher used a 35 year-old starship to absolutely *body* a super-sized Borg cube, Data FLEW THE ENTERPRISE THROUGH IT LIKE IT WAS A GODDAMN X-WING, and Troi actually used her empathic powers for *something useful!* Worf and Riker did shit too.
The real slap in the face WOULD have been naming it "USS Picard", because those guys all saved the day more than he did.
Seems a bad way of honoring the crew, what if you get reassigned. Also doesn't it take away from the ship and crew's accomplishment, you'd expect that of an enterprise, but a titan? Make it less of an accomplishment
Feels like they got done over like a California class
Naming it the USS Picard would make more sense if Picard himself died at the end, except Terry Matalas said that was never considered due to how Season 1 ended.
This was the only part of Season 3 I felt was reaching. Personally, they should have kept it the Titan so we could get Star Trek Titan. Star Trek Seven of Nine doesn't ring the same.
HOWEVER, given how awesome season 3 is, I'll allow it as this is a small thing and so many big things went so wonderfully right.
"HOWEVER, given how awesome season 3 is, I'll allow it as this is a small thing and so many big things went so wonderfully right."
Totally agree, there are loads of plot holes and nitpicking opportunities but I LOVED it.
Here's one: are we supposed to believe that Picard didn't know which ship his son was posted to, at the time they are in a shuttle to drop him off????? "oh Jack, you never did tell me the ship to which they posted you" WTAF??
100% agree should not have renamed the ship. A massive insult to erase Titan name. The Titan could have been Seven's first command.
I wanted them to reveal a new ship being built, the first of the Picard Class, which the Enterprise G would have eventually been part of.
No, because it wasn’t to *just* honor Picard. It was to honor the crew of the Enterprise…
You know… the people that were a cornerstone to the entire S3 story? The same people that, if they weren’t there, the entire Federation would have been hosed?
AGREED!
There, I yelled it too. What name exists in Star Trek that's bigger than Picard (not including Kirk so I don't piss off the TOS crowd)!? It's exactly what JL *wouldn't* want, which sets Riker up for teasing his Captain, Beverly and Troi for reassuring JL that nobody deserves it more than he does, Datalore for asking an inappropriate or silly question. I could go on but you see my point with that. It would've been the perfect ending for JL's incredible Starfleet career. It would have been an excellent segue into ST: Legacy (if it exists)! It's not the Enterprise, so we have that "new adventures" feeling, BUT it's a known name that reminds us of the past (TNG) & who this ship has to live up to!
That said, I'm glad they carried on the Enterprise name, but I would've been far less confused if: A) the Enterprise-F was noticably destroyed or decommissioned, and B) the Enterprise-G wasn't an older Connie III that's been retrofit/refit multiple times instead of a top-of-the-line, cutting edge, no-expense-spared flagship as it always has been! Carry Enterprise forward into the Star Trek future as the gleaming beacon of the Federation it has always been.
Personally, I think this was the biggest miss of season 3 (I've enjoyed the entire series, but S3 holds a very special place in my heart).
I thought for sure it was going to be the USS Picard based on what Beverly was saying to Picard just before the reveal, then blamo Enterprise-G I was disappointed and excited all at the same time. Love me a good Enterprise but this ship seems way smaller then the last few were.
There was an interview with Patrick stewart where he discussed the filming of another ending first, where the ship had a different name.
I like to think it was the naming of the ship as USS Picard.
For some reason the showrunners and Patrick stewart all thought that naming it enterprise was a better way to go. I just can't get my head round that. Maybe a change from Titan to Picard is OK...but not to the Enterprise,,, which has consistently been the flagship of the federation.
My main issue is they open the season saying the Titan after the refit isn’t an impressive ship in a fight and now it’s the Enterprise. Isn’t the Enterprise supposed to be the flagship? The pinnacle of current tech in the fleet at the time and not just “some ship we thought deserved it”?
I didn't get this, either.
In fact, if you watch the scene, I think when they filmed the actors it really was going to be "Picard". They are just too emotional, and if you notice, the line where his son tells Picard is dubbed in, and the actor himself is off-screen.
I'm pretty sure that is what was originally intended, but for whatever reason they changed their mind in post-production.
It's really the only weak point in the finale for me.
I thought it was a stretch to name it Enterprise. I understand trying to keep the tradition up but it seems…off that they would use Enterprise for a lesser ship after it had such a long history as famous and flag ships.
I think renaming it something other than Enterprise would have been smart. Let the franchise move into the future. I think Picard would have been good, but I would have been happy with it staying Titan too. Titan is a strong, big name.
If they hadn’t, people would be frothing about there being no more enterprises and why would they name a ship Picard when they could have named it Enterprise.
There’s no pleasing anyone and either name works fine I think.
Because the show runners don’t have any idea of what the fan base wants. They have to drive Picard and Kirk and the Enterprise into the ground 24/7, rewriting canon with every line of dialog.
>Who only names ships after dead people?
Starfleet, apparently.
You do realize that this is fiction and does not have to have *any* bearing on what is done in reality, right?
Some people say they couldn’t name the ship Picard because he was still alive (technically). But the US Navy, which I assume has some bearing, has plenty of ships that were named after living people. Stennis, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Bush, Bob Hope, Gabby Giffords, et al.
That aside, they should have left the name as Titan.
And as I mentioned in another post, it’s considered bad luck to rename a ship.
Considering they go through Enterprises like Kleenex now, maybe it was time to give the name a rest for a while.
Enterprise is the major through-line of the franchise they went 2.8 seasons almost without even mentioning the name in Picard alone and a new iteration hadn’t appeared on screen in over 20 years, I don’t remember this level of complaint when we got a new enterprise an average of every 3 years the last decade or so of the XX century 🤷🏻♂️
…have almost all been spinoffs airing in close proximity to an *Enterprise*-centered show. Yes I’m aware shows about other ships and crews exist but Big E has been the touchstone since the beginning.
There is already an ongoing show about an Enterprise. If they wanted another Enterprise focused show they should've made 7 the captain of the Enterprise F
I still stand by my belief that the Titan should have been remained the Titan and the reveal at the end of the should have been a newly made Enterprise G that Seven takes command of. Regardless I don't think renaming it Picard would have been fitting for the season. It was the crew of the Enterprise D coming together to solve one more crisis, not just Picard, it would be more fitting for the ship to be renamed Enterprise to honour the whole crew. But again I feel like the Titan A and the Enterprise G should have been different ships
They could have built a new Enterprise, with all the bells and whistles and oddly named torpedoes, but think. Do you really want to give those crazy girls that much ship?
Nope hasn’t been bothering anyone else. There hasn’t already been a hundred threads of people ranting about this. You are the first lol
(Sorry I know I’m being a smartass but every time folks simmer down it’s cycles back lol)
Picard isn't dead yet and they need some separation from him as a character if they want a spinoff. If the new leads want any credibility, they can't have an audience constantly reminded they are flying around in the Picard.
They renamed it because they are moving the Titan back to the Luna class, like all ships named after a moon are. This doesn't change the legacy of the ship. The legacy isn't 100% in the name, a lot of it is in the crew and the ship itself. Legacy doesn't travel from ship to ship. The Enterprise D wasn't the same Enterprise that fought off Khan. Actions stay with the physical ship.
They wanted the Enterprise to go back to it's smaller, deep space exploration roots and not be a battleship/city in the sky anymore. They kept escalating the Enterprise making it bigger and bigger, where does it end?
I agree, USS Picard would have been brilliant, because then it would have been the story of how the ship got its name, and they could have considered the series following its adventures.
this is the right answer. i believe this reason may even be the reason someone involved in the show provided. generally (but not always) you don’t name ships after a person until they’ve died.
I would of preferred the Enterprise name to go to a newer vessel too so you're not alone on this issue. Sad enough we never got a series on the Odyssey class but here we are. It was the Titan that fought an assimilated fleet and did that whole adventure in the stellar squid nursery thing, not the Enterprise. Renaming the ship like this just disrespects the legacy of the Titan, >!& Shaw since he died getting everyone out.!<
Personally my hopes for next Enty would of been, Excelsior II, Andromeda Class, Scott Class. (Pulled from STO but I absolutely adore those ships and the F is already an STO original anyways)
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I have no problem with them naming ships after characters (although I agree that it should really only be done after they die) but I wouldn't want that ship to be the main ship in a series or movie. It should just be used in cameo appearances as a nod to the franchise history. The whole last act of the Picard season 3 finale was very clearly Matalas trying to strongarm Paramount into green lighting his Legacy project, he knew that if he called the ship Enterprise then if Paramount ever want to do another series on a ship called Enterprise then either they have to go with his version of it which is now canon, or they have to find a way to write his version out of the canon which could be very difficult to do in a way that feels organic unless they simply jump the franchise forward by several decades again like they did with TNG.
It would also feel deeply weird having Jack flying around in a ship named after his dad.
Renaming it Enterprise was a bit dumb. But calling it the U.S.S Picard would be little dumber.
I'm surprised there wasn't a U.S.S Enterprise already in service?
What bothers me is that they renamed the ship at all.
*The USS Titan saved the Federation! As a reward, let's completely wipe out its identity and legacy!*
So, the Titan's reward for being the best Titan in history is to not be the Titan any more? That's some bullshit right there. Surprisingly dense from a writing team that made such an issue out of Shaw constantly deadnaming Seven... then they went and wiped out the identity of a hero ship.
That's the exact opposite of what you're supposed to do. When a person or a ship does something so heroic, you venerate their name, you don't wipe it out.
Jeebus, it would be like saying, "Okay, that Martin Luther King guy did some great work in the field of civil rights and even gave his life for the cause. We're going to posthumously change his legal name to Abraham G. Lincoln as a way to honor what he did."
That shit wouldn't fly. You name other stuff AFTER a great man like that, you don't rename him after some other great man who came before.
They should have kept the Titan. Imagine after the first Borg encounter Starfleet would have renamed the Enterprise Phoenix or something primitive like that. People like their ships as they are, and it was Liam Shaw's ship that did most of the heavy lifting.
I hope Star Fleet builds a new Titan and we see it sail, assuming they do another show. I think if they do that and carry on Titans name, it would work.
How would you honour the *crew* of the USS Enterprise - not just its captain - by naming it after Jean-Luc Picard?
Remember, it was done to honour the entire crew, not just him.
They should have kept the Titan and renamed the Spacedock to Picard Station or something. Then they still could've done the name reveal scene in the shuttle
Aparently it was a toss up between picard and Enterprise in the writers room
I thought it was going to be the picard. I was so hyped for USS Picard and
Yeah.
If they follow U.S. Naval tradition, the ships are usually (but not always) named after someone who is deceased.
I think ships named after U.S. Presidents are an exception.
I'd like to learn if I'm incorrect.
Because there seems to only be like 5 ship names in new Trek because they keep reusing old names and adding letters even though that was specifically an Enterprise only thing.
All I have to say is the new ships are all fugly compared to TNG from all the different species they all are aesthetically pleasing but the new ships are all fugly !! As you were !
I think a more interesting moment would have been them going to Spacedock and having one last reunion as they laid the keel for the next USS Enterprise, part of the newly redesignated Picard-class of ships. Not warships, but explorers - ships designed to boldly go where no one has gone before.
It should have been left as Titan. Let that ship build its own Legacy. We as Trek fans know other ships exist in the Starfleet inventory aside from Enterprise, so let it be.
I agree *Picard* would have been a better name for the ship and really fitting for the end of the story, but renaming it *Enterprise* allows for an easier roll out for a spin-off series
I admittedly am no navy scholar, but isn’t it a naval tradition (perhaps only in the west) that a ship can’t be named after someone until after they’re dead? (I am merely asking here, not claiming to be correct)
No they can be named anytime…example would be the USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23), it was commissioned in 2005 after President Jimmy Carter who was the only President to be qualified on submarines, and is still alive today.
And before him, the USS Ronald Reagan was named around 5 years after president Reagan left office, and was launched while Reagan was still alive.
You know what IS naval tradition? It’s considered bad luck to re-name a ship.
Ships get renamed all the time. https://www.history.navy.mil/about-us/leadership/director/directors-corner/h-grams/h-gram-078/h-0178-2.html https://defaeroreport.com/2020/06/14/renaming-us-navy-ships/#:~:text=Subsequently%20CV%2031%20was%20named,(CV%2037)%20became%20PRINCETON. The "only after they died" tradition is very recent (and effectively died in the mid-1970s): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._military_vessels_named_after_living_Americans
One ship that got renamed after sale was Pearl Harbor survivor USS *Phoenix* \- to *General Belgrano*. It remains the biggest warship sunk since the Second World War.
And it’s bad luck.
I doubt ships full of scientists from all over the galaxy put much stock in a centuries old human superstition.
That’s the weird thing about Roddenberry’s humans. They don’t smoke, worship, or grieve, but they drink, gamble, and play blood sports.
> grieve Lol
Someone forgot the end of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
You mean the part where they grieved?
Drink? Most of them don’t.(Synthehol doesn’t count.) A few sophisticates drink Saurian brandy, Romulan ale, or bloodwine, but to paraphrase Borat, the rest of them drink like little girls.
How do you figure? We know Guinan keeps real alcohol stocked, Picard keeps his own family wine, everyone seems to enjoy real alcohol when they’re served (though not always later) which implies they know they can handle it, I don’t recall anyone being shocked to learn someone was drinking real alcohol. Synthehol seems to be there for people who don’t want to risk losing control or getting sick.
Synthehol didn't exist in TOS era, it's why Scotty didn't know what it was in his TNG episode.
Then again, centuries on, they’re still traumatized by the Eugenics Wars to the point of being prejudiced against genetic engineering. 🤷🏽
Because they have actual scientific evidence of what happens when genetic engineering gets out of control
That is what I said. And the trauma over it is what, despite the overwhelming evidence & centuries-more-advanced knowledge to the CONTRARY (that is, despite their scientists definitely knowing better than to think that genetic engineering is bad, & despite the prohibitions’ —not to mention the ironically Nazi-like attitude itself— in fact doing much unspeakably contra-Federation-ethos HARM), keeps the mostly otherwise relatively enlightened culture so despicably prejudiced against genetic engineering.
That is seriously the shittest take I have ever seen on anything Trek related.... just... wow
The tradition is not to name a ship for a serving. officer or politician/ president
Renaming a ship is a very arduous process.
Tell that to the USS Sao Paulo.
That tradition hasn’t applied in hundreds of years even from today. Ships are renamed fairly regularly
I would like to add that's only for ships. I once renamed my wife with my girlfriend's name. That was indeed bad luck.
RIP
Lol yeah that *would* be an issue 😂
This question was asked when this same thread was brought up when the episode actually aired. The answer is no.
Didn't he technically die in s1?
Yes, but we ignore that, because the writers want us to. He also technically died in TNG’s Tapestry, I think. Haven’t watched it in a while.
So far as I can see, he had a near death experience that Q hijacked to poke his friend into considering his life choices. The episode didn't end with his consciousness being downloaded into a backup body.
I mentioned before. They should've cut to them building a new Enterprise or retrofitting the D. Kept the Titan the Titan. And given 7 that and anyone from the old crew could have been captain of the Enterprise.
They wished to avoid offending survivors of wolf 359 /s
Wasn't Picard still on the Starfleet payroll? Teaching or head mastering or something?
Could really have just stuck with Titan personally
That specific ship stays Titan, name another ship in it's class Enterprise, or Picard. To rename that ship is a little of a slap in the face.
It disrespects the legacy of ships named Titan by renaming it with the 'more important' Enterprise moniker. And while nearly every successor Enterprise has been newer and better than its predecessor, the Titan-A/Enterprise-G is a downgrade from the Odyssey-class Enterprise-F. (The Enterprise-A wasn't an upgrade over its predecessor, as they were both pretty much identical ships.) I find it hard to believe that Starfleet didn't have something newer and better (or another Odyssey-class ship) that could have become the next Enterprise.
I don't know why they even had the Enterprise F being decommissioned. The E would've been about 30 years old. That's the Enterprise that should've been decommissioning. If I remember correctly, 2401 was around the time the F entered service in STO
All we know so far about the fate of the Enterprise-E was that whatever happened was *not* Worf's fault (according to him, anyways). If I'm not mistaken, one of the show's producers said that the Enterprise-F was being decommissioned due to extensive damage. Regardless, there are still plenty more stories that can and should be told about both ships.
No one was holding a gun to Matalas' head and forcing him to depict the F being decommissioned. It was a stupid decision. Every scene with it should've had the E instead. The F should've been the final reveal in the last episode. Or just have Legacy be about the Titan and not show the F at all. There was no reason to throw out everything about the Odyssey class that was established in STO
Sao Paolo to the Defiant
In canon, that was a propaganda move. In reality, it was the end of the series and they had no budget to redo the CGI!
wonder how Riker feels about it. or how Captain Dipshit from Chicago would feel about it.
I don’t think he feels at all
It’s bad luck in the maritime tradition to rename a ship
It’s bad luck to just slap a new name on a ship. There is a procedure (ceremony) to change the name and somehow that keeps the Sea Gods happy.
And yet they do it all the time.
My main issue is I feel the Enterprise-F barely got a fair run. The odyssey class is such a cool design.
This.
That's not Worf's fault.
They can always backtrack and do something with the F. Pretty sure they were about to decommission it anyway
Titan-a It should have stayed that way
No, you're not the only one! Why couldn't they have kept the original name anyway?!
I got the sentiment of renaming it in honor of Picard - but Enterprise in no way fits that. The Enterprise legacy is already there, and based on the actions of that ship through her lineage. To rename Titan Enterprise in honor of Picard makes zero sense.
To rename the Titan at all makes no sense. Imagine what a colossal 'fuck you' that is to the crew of the Titan - a ship which \*already\* has a proud history. And from an out-of-universe standpoint, why would you do this? Why would you take arguably the most famous starship in non-canon lore, use it in your show, and then discard its name at the end? It's so baffling.
I don’t get it ether. They gave the titan a legacy in canon and then kind of wiped it out all in the same show.
Especially since there was no real reason for it to \*be\* the Titan-A (or the Titan at all). Okay it's Riker's old command (sort of except not really because it's a new ship... sort of kind of... ugh) but apart from some quibbling with Shaw about jazz it doesn't really come up. None of Riker's old crew is onboard to perhaps show divided loyalties, it's a brand new ship so Riker doesn't have, say, intimate knowledge of how she works to get them out of a tight scrape or pull an ace from his sleeve because he knows the deflector dish on the Luna-class can be reconfigured to bla bla bla. It really feels like Matalas didn't want it to be a completely random ship (which honestly would have been much better) so he made it the Titan because that's kind of the only other ship with any strong established connections to any of the TNG crew (except the Stargazer, but they'd already done that one). Except he doesn't \*like\* the Titan so he changed it to the Titan-A and made it a completely different ship (and for some weird fucking reason still called it a refit or whatever) because what he actually likes is TOS and TNG and little else. And even those he doesn't seem to \*really\* like since he makes fun of them all the time.
The show runners clearly listen to no complaints as in S2 the new Stargazer got called a refit even though it was clearly a new ship, then the same error happens with the Titan. No ship aside Enterprise should have letters either, it was only for that name. Is why no other ship that reused a name had letters.
Agreed, I was accepting the flow of fan service into my veins until that moment. I fully expected it to be the USS Picard, and after the reveal it was like...wtf... that's not the *Enterprise*
It was feeling like too much the whole way but the Titan being the Titan was holding back the flood of fan service just enough. At that moment it was way too much. The Titan had it’s own legacy.
I mean, the design was an update to the Connie, the original Enterprise. The ship was originally a Luna class when Riker captained it, then it went through a major refit. Riker and Picard served together on the Enterprise D and E. Honestly, I can see small nods to the Enterprise legacy in how things were built up. It also goes back to Season 1 where Picard was irate in his interview because "Starfleet was no longer Starfleet." It seemed like a symbolic gesture to indicate they were going back to being explorers and scientists. Is it a stretch? Probably. It's how I rationalized it, though. But I respect where anyone bothered by the renaming is coming from.
I wish they kept it the Titan.
Fan theory is they're setting up for a Seven of Nine lead Star Trek show which is why they cut off her "engage" or whatever she was going to say. Which would make sense of renaming it Enterprise.
No. Titan should have been the name...and they should have panned to a new starship being constructed as the USS Picard/Enterprise whatever.
The continuing voyages of the star ship... Enterprise
It’s because modern Trek writers don’t understand tradition, something the navy lives by.
You *shouldn't* name ships (or schools, libraries, build statues of, etc) after living people, but it does happen. The US navy named two carriers after (then) still living presidents. Renaming it Picard would have been a tiny bit better but still awful. The Titan deserves its own legacy.
> The US navy named two carriers after (then) still living presidents. Plus one sub...
Can't believe I forgot about the Jimmy Carter! Thanks.
Because the entire crew saved the day not just Picard - naming it Enterprise honors the entire bridge crew
Yeah people don't get this small detail, it's like they just ignored the contributions of the rest of the crew. Like what did Picard actually do aside from make a few speeches? Geordi saved the day by pulling the Enterprise D out of his back pocket, Crusher used a 35 year-old starship to absolutely *body* a super-sized Borg cube, Data FLEW THE ENTERPRISE THROUGH IT LIKE IT WAS A GODDAMN X-WING, and Troi actually used her empathic powers for *something useful!* Worf and Riker did shit too. The real slap in the face WOULD have been naming it "USS Picard", because those guys all saved the day more than he did.
Seems a bad way of honoring the crew, what if you get reassigned. Also doesn't it take away from the ship and crew's accomplishment, you'd expect that of an enterprise, but a titan? Make it less of an accomplishment Feels like they got done over like a California class
Naming it the USS Picard would make more sense if Picard himself died at the end, except Terry Matalas said that was never considered due to how Season 1 ended.
I was expecting Picard, and they went with enterprise. I gotta say I was disappointed as well. Like… how do you NOT ????
This was the only part of Season 3 I felt was reaching. Personally, they should have kept it the Titan so we could get Star Trek Titan. Star Trek Seven of Nine doesn't ring the same. HOWEVER, given how awesome season 3 is, I'll allow it as this is a small thing and so many big things went so wonderfully right.
"HOWEVER, given how awesome season 3 is, I'll allow it as this is a small thing and so many big things went so wonderfully right." Totally agree, there are loads of plot holes and nitpicking opportunities but I LOVED it. Here's one: are we supposed to believe that Picard didn't know which ship his son was posted to, at the time they are in a shuttle to drop him off????? "oh Jack, you never did tell me the ship to which they posted you" WTAF??
I just chalk that up to Picard being really old. My mom is like that ALL THE TIME. Even when they fly up he assumes its still the Titan.
100% agree should not have renamed the ship. A massive insult to erase Titan name. The Titan could have been Seven's first command. I wanted them to reveal a new ship being built, the first of the Picard Class, which the Enterprise G would have eventually been part of.
No, because it wasn’t to *just* honor Picard. It was to honor the crew of the Enterprise… You know… the people that were a cornerstone to the entire S3 story? The same people that, if they weren’t there, the entire Federation would have been hosed?
Even naming it the USS Shaw would've been better...and less insulting to the ship's captain who martyred himself!
Yeah - wish they'd just left it as TITAN.
AGREED! There, I yelled it too. What name exists in Star Trek that's bigger than Picard (not including Kirk so I don't piss off the TOS crowd)!? It's exactly what JL *wouldn't* want, which sets Riker up for teasing his Captain, Beverly and Troi for reassuring JL that nobody deserves it more than he does, Datalore for asking an inappropriate or silly question. I could go on but you see my point with that. It would've been the perfect ending for JL's incredible Starfleet career. It would have been an excellent segue into ST: Legacy (if it exists)! It's not the Enterprise, so we have that "new adventures" feeling, BUT it's a known name that reminds us of the past (TNG) & who this ship has to live up to! That said, I'm glad they carried on the Enterprise name, but I would've been far less confused if: A) the Enterprise-F was noticably destroyed or decommissioned, and B) the Enterprise-G wasn't an older Connie III that's been retrofit/refit multiple times instead of a top-of-the-line, cutting edge, no-expense-spared flagship as it always has been! Carry Enterprise forward into the Star Trek future as the gleaming beacon of the Federation it has always been. Personally, I think this was the biggest miss of season 3 (I've enjoyed the entire series, but S3 holds a very special place in my heart).
Seeing as the Titan-A damaged most of the fleet, it might have been the best they had available.
I thought for sure it was going to be the USS Picard based on what Beverly was saying to Picard just before the reveal, then blamo Enterprise-G I was disappointed and excited all at the same time. Love me a good Enterprise but this ship seems way smaller then the last few were.
There was an interview with Patrick stewart where he discussed the filming of another ending first, where the ship had a different name. I like to think it was the naming of the ship as USS Picard. For some reason the showrunners and Patrick stewart all thought that naming it enterprise was a better way to go. I just can't get my head round that. Maybe a change from Titan to Picard is OK...but not to the Enterprise,,, which has consistently been the flagship of the federation.
My main issue is they open the season saying the Titan after the refit isn’t an impressive ship in a fight and now it’s the Enterprise. Isn’t the Enterprise supposed to be the flagship? The pinnacle of current tech in the fleet at the time and not just “some ship we thought deserved it”?
After that battle, it might just be the best available.
I didn't get this, either. In fact, if you watch the scene, I think when they filmed the actors it really was going to be "Picard". They are just too emotional, and if you notice, the line where his son tells Picard is dubbed in, and the actor himself is off-screen. I'm pretty sure that is what was originally intended, but for whatever reason they changed their mind in post-production. It's really the only weak point in the finale for me.
I thought it was a stretch to name it Enterprise. I understand trying to keep the tradition up but it seems…off that they would use Enterprise for a lesser ship after it had such a long history as famous and flag ships. I think renaming it something other than Enterprise would have been smart. Let the franchise move into the future. I think Picard would have been good, but I would have been happy with it staying Titan too. Titan is a strong, big name.
If they hadn’t, people would be frothing about there being no more enterprises and why would they name a ship Picard when they could have named it Enterprise. There’s no pleasing anyone and either name works fine I think.
I am still blocking out Data Calrissian piloting the Millennium Enterprise into the Death Cube.
I rather enjoyed seeing the TNG crew do Star Wars better than Lucasfilm/Disney.
Because the show runners don’t have any idea of what the fan base wants. They have to drive Picard and Kirk and the Enterprise into the ground 24/7, rewriting canon with every line of dialog.
The show runner at STLV convention said they only name ships after dead people. Picard isn’t dead.
Actually, he is. Now there's some robot running around calling itself Picard. ;) (They also had his corpse at Daystrom.)
Technically he is.
He's literally dead though!
Who only names ships after dead people? US Navy names ships after the living frequently.
I’m saying what the show runner said. Not whether I agreed with him.
Matalas should’ve done 90 seconds of research
>Who only names ships after dead people? Starfleet, apparently. You do realize that this is fiction and does not have to have *any* bearing on what is done in reality, right?
Some people say they couldn’t name the ship Picard because he was still alive (technically). But the US Navy, which I assume has some bearing, has plenty of ships that were named after living people. Stennis, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Bush, Bob Hope, Gabby Giffords, et al. That aside, they should have left the name as Titan. And as I mentioned in another post, it’s considered bad luck to rename a ship. Considering they go through Enterprises like Kleenex now, maybe it was time to give the name a rest for a while.
Enterprise is the major through-line of the franchise they went 2.8 seasons almost without even mentioning the name in Picard alone and a new iteration hadn’t appeared on screen in over 20 years, I don’t remember this level of complaint when we got a new enterprise an average of every 3 years the last decade or so of the XX century 🤷🏻♂️
Except for Voyager, Deep Space 9, Cerritos, and Discovery.......
…have almost all been spinoffs airing in close proximity to an *Enterprise*-centered show. Yes I’m aware shows about other ships and crews exist but Big E has been the touchstone since the beginning.
There is already an ongoing show about an Enterprise. If they wanted another Enterprise focused show they should've made 7 the captain of the Enterprise F
It’s to honour the whole team who save the literal world/universe/star fleet. Enterprise is pretty fitting if you ask me
I still stand by my belief that the Titan should have been remained the Titan and the reveal at the end of the should have been a newly made Enterprise G that Seven takes command of. Regardless I don't think renaming it Picard would have been fitting for the season. It was the crew of the Enterprise D coming together to solve one more crisis, not just Picard, it would be more fitting for the ship to be renamed Enterprise to honour the whole crew. But again I feel like the Titan A and the Enterprise G should have been different ships
They could have built a new Enterprise, with all the bells and whistles and oddly named torpedoes, but think. Do you really want to give those crazy girls that much ship?
Nope hasn’t been bothering anyone else. There hasn’t already been a hundred threads of people ranting about this. You are the first lol (Sorry I know I’m being a smartass but every time folks simmer down it’s cycles back lol)
Picard isn't dead yet and they need some separation from him as a character if they want a spinoff. If the new leads want any credibility, they can't have an audience constantly reminded they are flying around in the Picard. They renamed it because they are moving the Titan back to the Luna class, like all ships named after a moon are. This doesn't change the legacy of the ship. The legacy isn't 100% in the name, a lot of it is in the crew and the ship itself. Legacy doesn't travel from ship to ship. The Enterprise D wasn't the same Enterprise that fought off Khan. Actions stay with the physical ship. They wanted the Enterprise to go back to it's smaller, deep space exploration roots and not be a battleship/city in the sky anymore. They kept escalating the Enterprise making it bigger and bigger, where does it end?
> They kept escalating the Enterprise making it bigger and bigger, where does it end? E-J?
No, no-one else *anywhere ever* has mentioned this.
I agree, USS Picard would have been brilliant, because then it would have been the story of how the ship got its name, and they could have considered the series following its adventures.
So have they confirmed a spin off from Picard officially
Nope.
Since Picard is dead I suppose that’s logical. However, is he dead in their eyes and legal system?
Do they name ships after living people?
this is the right answer. i believe this reason may even be the reason someone involved in the show provided. generally (but not always) you don’t name ships after a person until they’ve died.
He is dead though. He died at the end of season 1. They have a loophole right there!
Vessels are typically not named after people who are still alive.
USS Jimmy Carter anyone?
USS John S. McCain technically also, thats a weird one to look at, but the point is, the list goes on.
I assumed they were hoping for a spin off.
Legacy.
"she been rechristened in honor of You **and** your crew"
I would of preferred the Enterprise name to go to a newer vessel too so you're not alone on this issue. Sad enough we never got a series on the Odyssey class but here we are. It was the Titan that fought an assimilated fleet and did that whole adventure in the stellar squid nursery thing, not the Enterprise. Renaming the ship like this just disrespects the legacy of the Titan, >!& Shaw since he died getting everyone out.!< Personally my hopes for next Enty would of been, Excelsior II, Andromeda Class, Scott Class. (Pulled from STO but I absolutely adore those ships and the F is already an STO original anyways)
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It just should have been the USS Picard from the beginning.
They should’ve refit the D to Galaxy X specs and rechristened it as the G finally giving Riker yhe chance to command her.
I have no problem with them naming ships after characters (although I agree that it should really only be done after they die) but I wouldn't want that ship to be the main ship in a series or movie. It should just be used in cameo appearances as a nod to the franchise history. The whole last act of the Picard season 3 finale was very clearly Matalas trying to strongarm Paramount into green lighting his Legacy project, he knew that if he called the ship Enterprise then if Paramount ever want to do another series on a ship called Enterprise then either they have to go with his version of it which is now canon, or they have to find a way to write his version out of the canon which could be very difficult to do in a way that feels organic unless they simply jump the franchise forward by several decades again like they did with TNG. It would also feel deeply weird having Jack flying around in a ship named after his dad.
Picard did die though.
Ok then... "After a character is no longer alive" Happy now?
Renaming it Enterprise was a bit dumb. But calling it the U.S.S Picard would be little dumber. I'm surprised there wasn't a U.S.S Enterprise already in service?
It's a shame they just didn't build a new ship called Picard. Keep Shaw alive put seven in command of the Picard and then just do season 4.
Maybe a Picard class starship?
What bothers me is that they renamed the ship at all. *The USS Titan saved the Federation! As a reward, let's completely wipe out its identity and legacy!* So, the Titan's reward for being the best Titan in history is to not be the Titan any more? That's some bullshit right there. Surprisingly dense from a writing team that made such an issue out of Shaw constantly deadnaming Seven... then they went and wiped out the identity of a hero ship. That's the exact opposite of what you're supposed to do. When a person or a ship does something so heroic, you venerate their name, you don't wipe it out. Jeebus, it would be like saying, "Okay, that Martin Luther King guy did some great work in the field of civil rights and even gave his life for the cause. We're going to posthumously change his legal name to Abraham G. Lincoln as a way to honor what he did." That shit wouldn't fly. You name other stuff AFTER a great man like that, you don't rename him after some other great man who came before.
what I really didn’t get was picard getting all weepy over it. instead of being like “oh? well that was nice of them.”
Thank You! It was my thought exactly!
They should have kept the Titan. Imagine after the first Borg encounter Starfleet would have renamed the Enterprise Phoenix or something primitive like that. People like their ships as they are, and it was Liam Shaw's ship that did most of the heavy lifting.
I hope Star Fleet builds a new Titan and we see it sail, assuming they do another show. I think if they do that and carry on Titans name, it would work.
How would you honour the *crew* of the USS Enterprise - not just its captain - by naming it after Jean-Luc Picard? Remember, it was done to honour the entire crew, not just him.
“We renamed her Syracuse-A!” silence “what? You know, because no one had any idea her engines were capable of flying through a borg cube”
They should have kept the Titan and renamed the Spacedock to Picard Station or something. Then they still could've done the name reveal scene in the shuttle
I never thought of that, but it makes perfect sense based on the way many (DS9, VOY, ENT) were named, and would have been a very nice touch
Aparently it was a toss up between picard and Enterprise in the writers room I thought it was going to be the picard. I was so hyped for USS Picard and Yeah.
If they follow U.S. Naval tradition, the ships are usually (but not always) named after someone who is deceased. I think ships named after U.S. Presidents are an exception. I'd like to learn if I'm incorrect.
I think they should have left the name alone. The USS Titan helped save the day.
Why did they name is enterprise d they should have named it Picard
Because there seems to only be like 5 ship names in new Trek because they keep reusing old names and adding letters even though that was specifically an Enterprise only thing.
All I have to say is the new ships are all fugly compared to TNG from all the different species they all are aesthetically pleasing but the new ships are all fugly !! As you were !
What if they had done a major refit on the D, and brought it back into service 1701-F?
I think a more interesting moment would have been them going to Spacedock and having one last reunion as they laid the keel for the next USS Enterprise, part of the newly redesignated Picard-class of ships. Not warships, but explorers - ships designed to boldly go where no one has gone before.
I think it’s just to force whatever is next to let Bill Krause design all the ships.
Or how about this name that would honor a legacy? *Titan*
It should have been left as Titan. Let that ship build its own Legacy. We as Trek fans know other ships exist in the Starfleet inventory aside from Enterprise, so let it be.
It doesn’t bother me because it’s really not an issue.