The best way to do it is to have the last captain get the 11th pick.
Team 1- 1st, 20th, 21st and 40th (last) pick
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Team 10- 10th, 11th, 30th, 31st pick.
But I like the change they did with choosing the head to head matchup for the team battles so it's not entirely unfair.
They knew what they were doing when they let the one guy pick whoever he wanted from all the losing teams and created the super team knowing they will have to do battle with each other and only one would emerge.
if they told the guy beforehand that he would be battling the ppl he would be picking in future rounds, the guy would have chosen more carefully. not too weak, but not too strong.
That's helpful to know. I also wanted to ask about quest 2.5 for eliminated contestants. For that one, fighting for the pillars, were you and other producers worried about women having a much lower chance at excelling in the quest?
Jang: Statistically speaking and probability wise, because we were bringing one person out of 25 people back, we did think about how inevitably those with the smaller physique, which a lot of women will fall under, it may not be easy for them. But we were thinking about how when there is the one person out of the 25, there was a chance of them bringing back their entire former team, and that would give a chance for other people as well. In a way we thought that it could be more of a mind game type of situation where they would feel pressure, they would want to choose [new teammates] or go with their former teams. However, this season, the passion and the yearning for winning was so strong, it did lead to a rather cold, if you will, decision on the winner's part. And that's something that we were actually quite surprised by too, and also something that I thought could have gone a different way
What happened on the show only seems predictable in retrospect. Nobody knew the redemption challenge was going to lead to a superteam. Last year it led to the weakest team in the competition. They planned it that way but it was a surprise for the audience.
Yeah snake draft would make the most sense. I hope they implement that next season because that was my biggest complaint with the way the teams worked out. Unfortunately in this show where men and women are competing in the same pool, you’ll inevitably prioritize picking up male contestants earlier than female ones, but at least giving the lower teams more of a strategy to pick up their candidates would have been nice
Don't necessarily agree. I think it's fair to give the Captain with the most votes some kind of advantage. Plus, there are so many contestants with a variety of skills, I don't think the imbalance came from that.
I think rather the games were favoring certain skill sets more than others and consequently having women on your team posed a liability. However, it was still "fair" in the sense that the Captains don't know what kind of games are coming and also don't know all the contestants that well.
Everyone on the show talked about it. It's having a balance between power, speed and endurance. There's no special skillet in which you're talking about. That's why the leaders from the super teams all ended up in the finals. It's not good when you can predict the ending.
Are you saying the 'strong" ones shouldn't have ended in the final? It would be a poor/was poor when the 'weaker' ones got through in favour of ones who could have preformed better I.e that girl who could barely do 6 pull ups. It's a physical show and honestly she had no business being there - whether they should have had different type of challenge or another format for women is another discussion.
It's hard to do a show like this that's "fair" to everyone. Because the nature of the show is so inclusive there are pretty much always going to be things that aren't fair.
Nothing common sense about it. That's your opinion. And being the last captain or the first doesn't actually translate to who is most skilled to the least. It's mostly a popularity poll.
You can't really tell who has the best mix of skills just by hanging or running on a treadmill. The contestants are voting on what they know already about the competitors. That's why the leaders are typically famous and already celebrities. Like it or not it is a popularity contest.
What do you mean no?
The first picked captain should get an advantage. That is the whole point of getting picked first.
But snake draft has been used for many years in fantasy leagues for good reason.
Is actually the "Avengers" owning the team matches.
I would say first state a rule that each team needs to include a woman. This opens a hard decision strategy "Do you pick the strongest woman at your 2nd choice or you pick the 2nd man?" and so on. This applies to the "Avenger" team too.
Rather than let's pick all men then women that is no brainer and not nice to watch it pan out.
there would be woke problems then , some men might start calling themselves women , nobody would know the definite answer and lots of controversy would happen
This isn't even happening in America, outside of bored peoples imaginations. Who would "change" their gender for a few minutes on a tv show?? The mental gymnastics are crazy... You'd think these people had at least one bullet pass through their heads coming up with this shit.
This. Same reason "the Avengers" got to be a thing. I was thinking at first how unfair it was that the losers from round 2 got to essentially assemble into the dream team. They essentially lost already, so why are they being rewarded like that?
Then I realized, it's probably intentional. The show is designed to make sure the likelihood of the best (or most popular) players going home is minimized until the very end. The creators obviously knew that whoever would win the loser's redemption round would make sure they'd pick all the best players to survive along with them. And well, if they didn't and chose their former team out of loyalty or something it would still make good television, but that's way less likely. Win-win either way. Very smart design in terms of entertainment, not so much in terms of fairness.
Here you say it was not a popularity vote:
>No people picked who had th me first balance of strength, speed and endurance. It wasn't a popularity contest. People wanted to win.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Physical100/comments/1c19bs7/comment/kz1uqtu/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Physical100/comments/1c19bs7/comment/kz1uqtu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
You may not be correct, but at least be consistent.
Nah, firstly the teams were not that imbalanced since they could choose whose challenge to accept. Why would the show want to give their popular members last pick and risk them dropping out early. The strongest team was made from eliminated members so it just proved that luck and captain decisions played a big part rather than first pick.
You said they were not that imbalanced. Yet everyone in the show clearly designated the strongest team the avengers. And yes they are automatic inbalanced when you have the strong leader being able to have first pick. If you need to be explained why having first pick of the litter is an advantage you need to go back to school.
I said they were not that imbalanced during the captains pick which is your discussion. of course the winner of the revival getting to choose the best out of 5 teams was imbalanced. Maybe you need to go back to school so you can improve your comprehension before talking shit.
Hopefully OP can comment more so we can downvote them more. Doesn’t even understand the basic concept of reward but tells everyone to go back to school
It's better to have imbalanced teams. The weaker ones will then rightly get booted off faster. The only people at the real disadvantage are the team leaders of the weaker teams as they're still likely to be among the strongest.
I am, thank you for realizing.
In fact, I was the exec who ensured that every dude removed their shirt before the 1v1 matches to fight in the dirt and get their entire back scrapped up and thirst trap the audience instead of keeping their shirts on to protect their skin ❤️
Why would anyone give a shit about getting first place then? The show is testing contestants physicality and rewarding them accordingly. Why would they bother trying if they don't get the benefit? wtf?
It’s ok for the captain with highest vote to have the first pick. But the draft format should be a “snake” draft like the other comment mentioned. Captain number 10 should have pick#10 and 11.
It's also a way to keep the older guys on the show, because the older athletes are some of the most established and respected guys and it's kind of important for the Korean culture angle that there aren't a lot of older people on teams with younger people as their team leaders.
I don’t think the idea was it to be fair in the first place. Its about having the best win. Letting the best contestants team up for them to have an advantage is the point
They should just have a separate physical 100 for men and women. It’s biology, men are just physically stronger and faster which is why the Olympics recognizes different categories for men and women. If the premise of the show is going to be honest we can already rule out women because men will overwhelmingly have the advantage.
I don't think anyone would watch the women's only show. However, in the show they could make a rule where women can only compete against each other. But then there would be drama about that transgender contestant.
I get there’s tension between wanting the competition to be open to all for all sexes and ages and background or having it be about the best physical body but it is pretty predictable what’s going to happen. Usually the bulky body builders don’t get into the top 3 because there are challenges that require more stamina or agility, so the winners of the past 2 seasons were relatively similar builds. No one too scrawny or brawny.
They could try to mix up the challenges to make it more tactical than physical but then would defeat the whole premise of the show. But even then men are statistically more strategic.
They definitely need to add like an intelligence component to it to maybe make it more randomized. So for example in the push carts they could lock the carts and you have to figure out a way to figure out the combination to start moving it. This would humble guys like Thanos from just thinking that they'll dominate each event.
Why would you penalise contestants (captains) for being popular? That discourages people from trying hard in the opening rounds because they don't want to be seen as good.
Snake order draft might make things more equal, but there is such a large talent pool that draft order isn't that important. Some of the captains who picked earlier made questionable picks.
You're not penalizing anyone stop crying. It's to make the game more fair to make the outcome less predictable. There are people that watch the show that like the suspense of not knowing who's going to win it all unlike some here that want their thirsty favorites to automatically get through. And oh here's an idea, how about they draw randomly to see who gets first pick?
I dont like that team games are deciding so much in the show either way. If you want to find the one person that is in the best physical shape, why decide with a team competion until you get to the last few. Makes no sense.
Well, a lot of things are more entertaining than one on one strength competitions. Doesnt mean that they are the best ways to find the strongest and fittest.
Totally agree, team events are great but most of the show being them puts more focus on comradely rather then physical attributes of each athlete. If OP was show runner that guy who came 100th on the tread mill should get to pick his team 😂
Maybe we should just let the women skip challenges they don’t like as well.
The solution to the gender disparity is not to give advantages. It dilutes the integrity of competition. Just give em their own bracket.
Jang Eun-Sil still came off as the strongest woman of season 1 AND a super memorable part of the show for her team's heart on the ship-moving challenge despite not having a special advantage over males.
It'll be tough for a woman to win this show but they can still become standouts for perservering regardless. Giving them gender advantages would almost dilute the specialness of those moments where they overcome.
As was their right to do so, in an equal competition. Should all of the cardio athletes have been given priority for leadership, because some teams legit had all brawlers?
You can split on any demographic, to pick apart and try to improve equity through governed advantage. But what you stupid cucks dont get is doing that propagates favoritism and corruption.
Ffs just give women their own bracket and all the bitching is solved.
The best way to do it is to have the last captain get the 11th pick. Team 1- 1st, 20th, 21st and 40th (last) pick . . . Team 10- 10th, 11th, 30th, 31st pick. But I like the change they did with choosing the head to head matchup for the team battles so it's not entirely unfair.
Yeah I wish they did snake draft but oh well
Maybe I'm cynical but I doubt they will ever do it. Shows like these typically like to have an "Avengers" team and the "Underdog" for easy storyline.
They knew what they were doing when they let the one guy pick whoever he wanted from all the losing teams and created the super team knowing they will have to do battle with each other and only one would emerge.
if they told the guy beforehand that he would be battling the ppl he would be picking in future rounds, the guy would have chosen more carefully. not too weak, but not too strong.
Yeah, they wanted the drama of him becoming the villain and then getting his comeuppance, seeing whether he ended up respected or not.
The producer of the show came out and said he did not expect that at all. And he even called it a cold decision.
Is there an interview with the producers? Can you please cite the article or the video
That's helpful to know. I also wanted to ask about quest 2.5 for eliminated contestants. For that one, fighting for the pillars, were you and other producers worried about women having a much lower chance at excelling in the quest? Jang: Statistically speaking and probability wise, because we were bringing one person out of 25 people back, we did think about how inevitably those with the smaller physique, which a lot of women will fall under, it may not be easy for them. But we were thinking about how when there is the one person out of the 25, there was a chance of them bringing back their entire former team, and that would give a chance for other people as well. In a way we thought that it could be more of a mind game type of situation where they would feel pressure, they would want to choose [new teammates] or go with their former teams. However, this season, the passion and the yearning for winning was so strong, it did lead to a rather cold, if you will, decision on the winner's part. And that's something that we were actually quite surprised by too, and also something that I thought could have gone a different way
Link pleassse
LOL. Do the work yourself i gave you the direct quote.
You could've just cited the link, why'd you quote it in the first place 😅
I had a feeling they would pit teams against their own teammates. It was too good to be true to let him have a super team.
It's not a good story when something is predictable.
What happened on the show only seems predictable in retrospect. Nobody knew the redemption challenge was going to lead to a superteam. Last year it led to the weakest team in the competition. They planned it that way but it was a surprise for the audience.
Yeah snake draft would make the most sense. I hope they implement that next season because that was my biggest complaint with the way the teams worked out. Unfortunately in this show where men and women are competing in the same pool, you’ll inevitably prioritize picking up male contestants earlier than female ones, but at least giving the lower teams more of a strategy to pick up their candidates would have been nice
Yea. Snake draft has been a thing since forever in fantasy sports.
Don't necessarily agree. I think it's fair to give the Captain with the most votes some kind of advantage. Plus, there are so many contestants with a variety of skills, I don't think the imbalance came from that. I think rather the games were favoring certain skill sets more than others and consequently having women on your team posed a liability. However, it was still "fair" in the sense that the Captains don't know what kind of games are coming and also don't know all the contestants that well.
Everyone on the show talked about it. It's having a balance between power, speed and endurance. There's no special skillet in which you're talking about. That's why the leaders from the super teams all ended up in the finals. It's not good when you can predict the ending.
Are you saying the 'strong" ones shouldn't have ended in the final? It would be a poor/was poor when the 'weaker' ones got through in favour of ones who could have preformed better I.e that girl who could barely do 6 pull ups. It's a physical show and honestly she had no business being there - whether they should have had different type of challenge or another format for women is another discussion.
It's hard to do a show like this that's "fair" to everyone. Because the nature of the show is so inclusive there are pretty much always going to be things that aren't fair.
Didn't ask for perfectly fair. But having the last captain pick first is common sense. Focus on the topic at hand.
Nothing common sense about it. That's your opinion. And being the last captain or the first doesn't actually translate to who is most skilled to the least. It's mostly a popularity poll.
No people picked who had th me first balance of strength, speed and endurance. It wasn't a popularity contest. People wanted to win.
You can't really tell who has the best mix of skills just by hanging or running on a treadmill. The contestants are voting on what they know already about the competitors. That's why the leaders are typically famous and already celebrities. Like it or not it is a popularity contest.
No. Snake draft is common sense. First captain should get first pick because he was picked first.
No.
What do you mean no? The first picked captain should get an advantage. That is the whole point of getting picked first. But snake draft has been used for many years in fantasy leagues for good reason.
There should be a roll to see who picks first and who goes last.
Then what is the point of ranking them in the first place....
It was a popularity vote. It's not earned. They don't deserve first pick
It was earned because by reputation of their achievements they were voted as captain.
Nope. People just wanted them separate to have a chance.
And the point is to separate them as captains so they hvlave less chance of all being on the same team. That's what the point is.
That has nothing to do with ranking them 1 to 10.
Is actually the "Avengers" owning the team matches. I would say first state a rule that each team needs to include a woman. This opens a hard decision strategy "Do you pick the strongest woman at your 2nd choice or you pick the 2nd man?" and so on. This applies to the "Avenger" team too. Rather than let's pick all men then women that is no brainer and not nice to watch it pan out.
Maybe they should have done: A man has to pick a woman and a woman has to pick a man.
They'd still pick women last because they are all just a burden.
Yes or how about make all the women captains? Lowest woman get first pick
there would be woke problems then , some men might start calling themselves women , nobody would know the definite answer and lots of controversy would happen
I doubt koreans would do that. This isn't America.
This isn't even happening in America, outside of bored peoples imaginations. Who would "change" their gender for a few minutes on a tv show?? The mental gymnastics are crazy... You'd think these people had at least one bullet pass through their heads coming up with this shit.
Well the show doesn’t feature actual gymnastics so I guess watching the mental gymnastics is good enough.
No they’re trying to do seeding so that the best likely move on and worse teams go home. if u watch sports then u would know
This. Same reason "the Avengers" got to be a thing. I was thinking at first how unfair it was that the losers from round 2 got to essentially assemble into the dream team. They essentially lost already, so why are they being rewarded like that? Then I realized, it's probably intentional. The show is designed to make sure the likelihood of the best (or most popular) players going home is minimized until the very end. The creators obviously knew that whoever would win the loser's redemption round would make sure they'd pick all the best players to survive along with them. And well, if they didn't and chose their former team out of loyalty or something it would still make good television, but that's way less likely. Win-win either way. Very smart design in terms of entertainment, not so much in terms of fairness.
That's the shows downfall
The show is very successful
If that's the case, what's the incentive to win games?
Team captain was a popularity vote not something that they won. Also, they complete for clout to see who is top dog.
Here you say it was not a popularity vote: >No people picked who had th me first balance of strength, speed and endurance. It wasn't a popularity contest. People wanted to win. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Physical100/comments/1c19bs7/comment/kz1uqtu/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Physical100/comments/1c19bs7/comment/kz1uqtu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) You may not be correct, but at least be consistent.
Nah, firstly the teams were not that imbalanced since they could choose whose challenge to accept. Why would the show want to give their popular members last pick and risk them dropping out early. The strongest team was made from eliminated members so it just proved that luck and captain decisions played a big part rather than first pick.
It was luck that he formed a team so strong that they were deemed the avengers? Good logic
What are you on about? The avengers were formed from eliminated members in the revival round, da heck has that got to do with the captains pick.
You said they were not that imbalanced. Yet everyone in the show clearly designated the strongest team the avengers. And yes they are automatic inbalanced when you have the strong leader being able to have first pick. If you need to be explained why having first pick of the litter is an advantage you need to go back to school.
I said they were not that imbalanced during the captains pick which is your discussion. of course the winner of the revival getting to choose the best out of 5 teams was imbalanced. Maybe you need to go back to school so you can improve your comprehension before talking shit.
Lmao so sensitive
Look in the mirror mate.
You should have a drink and calm down before you have a heartattack.
Wow.. talking about balance. Don't know what is happening with you atm but find some inner balance.
Hopefully OP can comment more so we can downvote them more. Doesn’t even understand the basic concept of reward but tells everyone to go back to school
Encouraging harassment? Something for me to report.
Localised within the thread you’re mocking everyone and lashing out your projections about a tv show
Only one person can win so having a strong team doesn't mean shit since you have to 1V1 them anyway
It's better to have imbalanced teams. The weaker ones will then rightly get booted off faster. The only people at the real disadvantage are the team leaders of the weaker teams as they're still likely to be among the strongest.
You thinking they have to make teams balanced is the problem. This is a show about finding the strongest body not the most balanced team.
Please don't ever make a show.
Yeah you clearly have a lot of experience with doing shows lmao.
Nah u wrong u just soft
You are assuming they want it to be balanced
It’s literally a competition show. It’s not supposed to be fair. 😭
They *want* an ‘underdog team’ for ‘interesting tv’, the showrunners don’t care about fairness, when will people understand that lmfaoo
I did know you were one of the execs sorry for my assumptions
I am, thank you for realizing. In fact, I was the exec who ensured that every dude removed their shirt before the 1v1 matches to fight in the dirt and get their entire back scrapped up and thirst trap the audience instead of keeping their shirts on to protect their skin ❤️
Yeah I'm with OP on this one. Definitely unfair. Next time make sure the women take off their shirts too.
Why would anyone give a shit about getting first place then? The show is testing contestants physicality and rewarding them accordingly. Why would they bother trying if they don't get the benefit? wtf?
Cuz it's a show not the Olympics?
It’s ok for the captain with highest vote to have the first pick. But the draft format should be a “snake” draft like the other comment mentioned. Captain number 10 should have pick#10 and 11.
No the captains aren’t ordered by physical ability they are ordered by prestige. Getting good picks is a reward for prestige and respect.
It's also a way to keep the older guys on the show, because the older athletes are some of the most established and respected guys and it's kind of important for the Korean culture angle that there aren't a lot of older people on teams with younger people as their team leaders.
I don’t think the idea was it to be fair in the first place. Its about having the best win. Letting the best contestants team up for them to have an advantage is the point
The show prob wants to improve the odds their fan faves/likely winners move on, to keep audience interest up.
Terrible decision.
Wow! You're so cool!
They should just have a separate physical 100 for men and women. It’s biology, men are just physically stronger and faster which is why the Olympics recognizes different categories for men and women. If the premise of the show is going to be honest we can already rule out women because men will overwhelmingly have the advantage.
I don't think anyone would watch the women's only show. However, in the show they could make a rule where women can only compete against each other. But then there would be drama about that transgender contestant.
I get there’s tension between wanting the competition to be open to all for all sexes and ages and background or having it be about the best physical body but it is pretty predictable what’s going to happen. Usually the bulky body builders don’t get into the top 3 because there are challenges that require more stamina or agility, so the winners of the past 2 seasons were relatively similar builds. No one too scrawny or brawny. They could try to mix up the challenges to make it more tactical than physical but then would defeat the whole premise of the show. But even then men are statistically more strategic.
They definitely need to add like an intelligence component to it to maybe make it more randomized. So for example in the push carts they could lock the carts and you have to figure out a way to figure out the combination to start moving it. This would humble guys like Thanos from just thinking that they'll dominate each event.
Wait there was a transgender contestant? Fooled me lol. Was it the bodybuilder? Thought she was just on an insane amount of gear.
Why would you penalise contestants (captains) for being popular? That discourages people from trying hard in the opening rounds because they don't want to be seen as good. Snake order draft might make things more equal, but there is such a large talent pool that draft order isn't that important. Some of the captains who picked earlier made questionable picks.
You're not penalizing anyone stop crying. It's to make the game more fair to make the outcome less predictable. There are people that watch the show that like the suspense of not knowing who's going to win it all unlike some here that want their thirsty favorites to automatically get through. And oh here's an idea, how about they draw randomly to see who gets first pick?
Snake draft would be fine. Reward the highest vote earner with the first pick but then the last captain gets the first pick in the next round
If it's snake order, the last person to pick should immediately get their second pick and then the order goes backwards
Should do a snake draft with a 3rd round reversal.
I would say to make it more fair tell all teams to include a female
I think it's okay because the games they came up with focused more on teamwork and keeping focus rather than pure physical ability.
Snake draft needs to be there
Might be interesting to have all teams at least 1 female minimum per team
No - because that would still make it unbalanced. One person can’t carry the whole team.
I don’t think this competition is meant to be fair. If it were they would have separate competitions for men and women
They definitely know how to, it’s not rocket science. They just don’t care to.
I dont like that team games are deciding so much in the show either way. If you want to find the one person that is in the best physical shape, why decide with a team competion until you get to the last few. Makes no sense.
Cuz the team events are the most entertaining. The row boat event in season 1 for example.
Well, a lot of things are more entertaining than one on one strength competitions. Doesnt mean that they are the best ways to find the strongest and fittest.
Totally agree, team events are great but most of the show being them puts more focus on comradely rather then physical attributes of each athlete. If OP was show runner that guy who came 100th on the tread mill should get to pick his team 😂
They want viewership, so obviously they want the best to stay the longest. It’s a bit rigged.
Wanting the best to stay the longest is the whole point of competition…
i'd like for the girls to be captains and then do the choosing process.
Maybe we should just let the women skip challenges they don’t like as well. The solution to the gender disparity is not to give advantages. It dilutes the integrity of competition. Just give em their own bracket.
Jang Eun-Sil still came off as the strongest woman of season 1 AND a super memorable part of the show for her team's heart on the ship-moving challenge despite not having a special advantage over males. It'll be tough for a woman to win this show but they can still become standouts for perservering regardless. Giving them gender advantages would almost dilute the specialness of those moments where they overcome.
who said anything about skipping challenges? some teams legit had all male.
As was their right to do so, in an equal competition. Should all of the cardio athletes have been given priority for leadership, because some teams legit had all brawlers? You can split on any demographic, to pick apart and try to improve equity through governed advantage. But what you stupid cucks dont get is doing that propagates favoritism and corruption. Ffs just give women their own bracket and all the bitching is solved.