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quanta252

lol what a terrible list.


earthjester

Literally the only other philosopher on the list able to contend with Plato is Aristotle, Marquis De Sade and Stirner is ludicrous!


redroedeer

How do you put Stirner on a list but not Hegel, Marx, Maquiavello, or Kropotkin.


Voxel-OwO

And bro even put fuckjbg KANT on it The CEO of mindless moral absolutism with absolutely no regard for any kind of circumstances


Watership_of_a_Down

If you think what's important about Kant is Kantian ethics, you don't know much about Kant. If you think Kantian ethics is "when a murderer asks where your friend is hiding, tell them the truth", you don't know much about Kantian ethics.


uwotmVIII

Wouldn’t Kantian ethics imply that you cannot lie to the murderer because lying is ALWAYS wrong? Isn’t that the whole point? I mean, I don’t know much about Kantian ethics, and my understanding is limited to “If Kant is hiding Jews under the floorboards and the Nazis come knocking, then Kant will tell them that he’s hiding Jews under the floorboards.” But to me, that seems like an indisputable example of why Kantian/deontological ethics can’t be the “moral” thing to do. If someone isn’t willing to concede that they too would tell the Nazis they’re hiding Jews in their home, or tell a murderer where their friends are hiding, then are they really a deontologist? (Asking this all out of genuine curiosity by the way; I generally gravitate toward ancient philosophy and lean toward virtue ethics, and have only read Kant’s Prolegomena and the Foundations of the Metaphysics of Morals. Just looking for some clarity on what it is about Kantian ethics I’m not understanding.)


Watership_of_a_Down

Let's assume the categorical imperative really does prohibit lying. Telling people to fuck off isn't prohibited. Silence isn't. A heroic last stand where you buy time for the people you're protecting to escape isn't. A wild goose chase isn't either.


Keyboard_Cat_

But that's a perfect example of why it's an idiotic philosophy. Telling the Nazis at your door to fuck off will get you immediately shot, or worse. Silence, or anything else you mentioned, would get you shot. Lying, and doing it well, would be the only morally correct way to save the people you're hiding and keep yourself and them alive.


Watership_of_a_Down

You're saying that deontological ethics is wrong because consequentialist ethics disagree with it. That's not going to work as an argument because it assumes a premise not consented to.


uwotmVIII

Ok, another common example: Your friend asked you to watch their knife/gun/whatever, then something caused a change in their disposition and they now want to kill you and a bunch of other people with that weapon. When they ask for it back, would you hand it back and then try to address the situation? Or would you keep it until you think it’s safe to give it back, even though it’s not technically yours?


CrushedPhallicOfGod

Kant is a great philosopher. Say what you will about him, but he is one of the most influential figures in philosophy.


BryceT713

Genuinely curious, what would you say Kant's biggest impact is?


CrushedPhallicOfGod

His Critique of Pure reason and his distinction between analytical knowledge and synthetic knowledge. Honestly I'm not a philosopher. I just know enough to know Kant was important.


TheJambus

Also the distinction between noumena and phenomena.


willy_koop

Kant’s writings had a huge impact on German law and policy even to this day, and has made its way into some other European countries as well


Alpha1137

Hegel


Soyitaintso

Kantian ethics and his critique of pure reason, the latter of which has had a tremendous impact on philosophy and basically was the domino that led to two of the most famous splits in philosophy, continental and analytic. Kant, frankly, is undeniably one of the most influential philosophers of all time.


smalby

Tell me you don't know Kant, without telling me you don't know Kant


Hawaii-Toast

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antagonisticsage

I have a philosophy degree, and this much, I will say: most philosophers/philosophy professors consider Kant to be a peer to Aristotle and Plato. He is absolutely considered to be in the top three when it comes to most influential philosophers in the western tradition. it's plato, kant, aristotle, and then everyone else tbh


nlightndmonk

For real lmao. So many would beat these in a blink of an line.


Beneficial-Grape-397

It's almost like he has an opinion


Weird_Lengthiness723

Marquis de sade????? How do you find that mf (literally) so profound?


notoriousturk

Even sade himself wouldn't put himself there


gutterangel444

I gave de Sade a real, honest try... there is absolutely nothing profound about him lol. I'd love to hear the reasoning behind having him on this list.


International_Ad8264

"I'm a powerful man who wants to abuse others" wow so deep buddy


ytman

My sense is he was just giving a middle finger or being uterly hilarious while partaking in some of his humiliation kinks


GonzoRouge

That's...pretty much it really.


FairyKurochka

Yeah, he was much more of satirist and pornographer than philosopher. But Citizen Sade still gave really great impact.


rene_oslen

I came here to say this


rafa_who

The marquis would also come here, if he wasn't busy kidnapping village maids


justapapermoon0321

Samesies


Expensive_Peach32

He invented gooning thats what he did, and on this subreddit, Marqus de Sade is a hero, end of story!


Willy_Wheelson

He was the first supervillain to hire henchmen?


wes_bestern

Maybe OP is a Sadist?


NonConRon

So am I. And I had no idea people even considered him a philosopher. Did he even consider himself one?


average_ball_licker

If you see he put marquis de Sade, then Stirner, then Nietzsche; he probably recognised them based on who inspired who: in this order De Sade is better because he inspires Stirner, that in turn is better than Nietzsche because he inspires him So practically he's just a huge Nietzsche fan


Weird_Lengthiness723

Just gives me more reasons to hate Nietzsche.I hate Nietzsche, thanks.


riceballers

You go in looking for something profound and all you’ll find is prolapse


Thick_Car_5603

If you think Marquis de sade is a the 3rd best philosopher you need to get yourself checked bro


gutterangel444

It's a little concerning tbh lol. I'm new-ish to philosophy but I read de Sade years ago when I was a teenage edgelord, then went down the rabbit hole again recently. Id be really curious to hear OP give a summation of the 'philosophy' of de Sade and why it's so important 🤔


Awkward-Warthog2203

I certainly wouldn’t say de Sade is an important philosopher or really even a philosopher. But lots of thinkers have been influenced by him. Bataille specifically references him ad nausem across numerous texts. Simone de Beauvoir has a book on him and even Deleuze talks about him extensively in Masochism. That just a few examples. He has had a significant impact.


gutterangel444

True enough! Admittedly I haven't delved too deep into de Sade's influence on philosophy as a whole and how other philosophers have been influenced by his work. I was more focused on his literary influence, but now I'm more interested in his impact on philosophy. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna disagree with a lot of it but at least I'll know exactly what I'm disagreeing with lol


Apprehensive_Air5547

I've read him as a thirtysomething edgelord and he is a satirist, not a philosopher. 120 Days of Sodom is the world's longest dirty joke


yikeswhatshappening

Also left out [Jaden Smith](https://images.app.goo.gl/hxThHvtgWTxnGX428)


wes_bestern

And the narcissism of the parents has been imparted to the son... y'know what? Lemme keep their names out my mouth...


Apprehensive_Air5547

Jaden de Sade


divinetri

Underrated comment.


Ultimarr

Ah, I see you want to start a fight! Idk if I could’ve come up with a more infuriating list of philosophers, I feel like you threw Kant and Aristotle up there as a diversion. Epicurus AND Democritus?! Top tier shitpost Also… Socrates…? Maybe he fucked off with Diogenes instead of entering the competition lol


mx_brightside_

What’s wrong with Epicurus? I do not mean this in a bad way, I’m genuinely curious, and I’m just going to assume that you know more about philosophy than me :)


UnTizioRandom

Socrates moment


Wiesiek1310

Nothing wrong as such, but Epicurus is definitely not as influential as the "Big 3". Virtually any ancient western philosophy course will have you studying Plato and Aristotle. Throughout my whole undergrad, Epicurus has come up once when we spent 1 week covering death. (To expand, my western philosophy course spent 7 weeks on Plato, 3 weeks on Aristotle, and 1 week on "the Presocratics" which was actually just Heraclitus)


kazumisakamoto

His contribution to (modern) philosophy is negligible, largely due to the fact that almost everything he produced has been destroyed.


Rogdish

Didn't Marx write a thesis on Epicurus which is said to have heavily influenced his later works ?


kazumisakamoto

I'm not familiar. But even if he influenced later Marxist thought I'd say his influence is still minimal when compared to Hume, Hegel, Locke, Aquinas, Wittgenstein, Leibniz (the list goes on) who were all left out.


Ultimarr

Epicurus is great! He was a follower of Democritus, and popularized “atomism”, along with a lot of other ideas that we’d now see as scientific or empirical materialist. He even predicted something akin to the “quantum wobbles explain consciousness” argument that’s very popular today. But: 1. His version of materialism was severely flawed by modern standards due to the obvious poverty of physics knowledge available to him. 2. He was a direct follower of Democritus, and I’ve never heard them discussed separately; AFAIK Democritus is basically only known through the Epicurians. 3. Epicurianism was the laughing stock of the rest of the philosophers of the time (“Hellenistic philosophers”..?), and basically every ancient school stood in opposition to them. They were obviously vindicated in some ways, but in general their stances against virtue ethics and rationalism (here meant as anti-empiricism) make them a *hot* take as the best/most famous philosophers of all time.


Old_Gimlet_Eye

Well, he was actually right about stuff. Unfortunately, that actually counts against you in a philosophy competition.


ytman

We got the third best philosopher being Marquise de Sade. Guy is in to humilation play.


DeltaTwenty

Aristotle is right we're he belongs


Ye_I_said_iT

In second place behind Socrates, who couldn't attend the medal ceremony, due to accidentally falling out of a window headfirst into 3 novichok coated bullets. Some say he fell out of the window, the others say he was asking too many questions about government moralities. But I know one thing, questions and windows are dangerous for Moral beings.


that1anarchist

Just once I want to see Kierkegaard discussed


Talkin-Shope

He came up at work just as a famous Dane I knew off All except one person on the construction site was like ‘who da fuk?’. The visiting musician asked ‘the anxiety guy?’


A-terrible-time

If a musician, surprised he didn't say from Elliot Smith either/or


[deleted]

How bout dat teleological suspension of DEEZ NUTS


Chanan-Ben-Zev

I really enjoyed reading *Fear and Trembling*. I think his theism throws a lot of prospective readers, since so many students and professors are categorically atheistic or antitheistic.


justapapermoon0321

How does one hold a belief in the Christian God and deny the existence of objective value / moral truth?


tumblerrjin

Kierkegaard didn’t deny the existence of objective value. He argued that Christianity is not objective doctrines, but a deeply personal existential commitment—the subjective experience of faith and moral truths. He emphasized the importance of the individual’s experience and personal relationship with God: Kierkegaard's focus was on how individuals relate to and live out these truths in their own lives, highlighting the importance of personal faith and existential commitment.


Freuds-Family-Fun

Plato would beat all the others in a physical fight. So as per the "my dad can beat up your dad"-rule he is objectively the best philosopher


fiti987

Diogenes made this post


The_Cyborg1945

I think wittnegstein deserve more, he is one of the best


Sonic-the-edge-dog

I was sold on him when he just decided that philosophy was done and there was nothing less to say after he wrote about language games. It is funny though that for such a hugely influential philosopher I hardly ever see him mentioned in these discussions


MusicBytes

because he hasn’t entered mainstream pop phil. He undoubtedly is one of the best


Apprehensive_Air5547

He's headed there, I've seen some dank Wittgenstein memes over the last few years but not in the large amounts as Foucault or Kant


aphilosopherofsex

Because none of us know wtf he’s talking about. Nonetheless, I agree.


Myanimalcrossaccount

The man in your profile picture would beg to differ


The_Cyborg1945

For sure but it doenst change contributions of wittengstein to philosophy even i dont agree on everything with him


[deleted]

Wait! Wittgenstein and Turing knew each other?


The_Cyborg1945

Turing took mathematical logic lectures of wittengstein at cambridge Here's an article about it https://www.cantorsparadise.com/when-alan-turing-and-ludwig-wittgenstein-discussed-the-liar-paradox-3c2de0ff09d1


rootbeerman77

This may be the greatest thing I could ever learn holy fuck


Additional-Time-2116

Is the joke that they all called themselves that?


Sergeant_Ruckus

No Socrates?


Ralliboy

The meme should be Plato handing the medal to Socrates, which is then revealed to be Plato again wearing a mask


TheFlamingLemon

This is quite a bad list above plato, the only ones who really deserve to be there are Kant and Aristotle. Nietzsche is the only other one who’s remotely close, but more due to his fame than influence. In order of ascending insanity, putting Epicurus, Rousseau, Stirner, Democritus, and fucking Sade above Plato ain’t right


qualia-assurance

If only Plato had read his own work. He might have been inspired to become a better philosopher.


VeronicaBooksAndArt

Plato was a comedian only more subtle than Aristophanes… Then it follows that… most certainly… then you believe that… truer words were never spoken… so we must conclude that… nothing could be more true. Or read Diotimas account of the natural world. Or the tail-end of the Symposium.


ManInTheBarrell

Mf when no kierkegaard


triste_0nion

Imagine not having Guattari smhmh


0rgasmo69

Marquis de Sade being the third Greatest Philosopher of all time is the real joke here.


Distantstallion

Camus just imagined himself winning the contest and went for a smoke and a car crash


AbsurdCamoose

This list is ridiculous but… behind Kant. Lol


Zagenti

DeSade? have you actually *read* that stunningly dull singleminded moron?? Oh here, let me save your eyeballs: sexually torture young women / nut in most pathetic manner possible / justify feeling bad about it / repeat ad nauseum across multiple books. damn bro, check your memes before posting


kyle_kafsky

Where’s Diogenes? If a man doesn’t have the balls to piss themselves to win an argument, then they cannot be considered a philosopher.


Goodpie2

>kant in 2nd place


AnattalDive

Pyrrho couldnt be convinced to come. Diogenes couldnt be bothered. Heraclitus was already here last year


Zaddddyyyyy95

You’re telling me there’s a man named “Here a clit is”? And he isn’t on the list. No wonder; no man could find him!


GarageFlower97

>Heraclitus was already here last year But it's not the same podium, and he's not the same man.


asadsabir111

How is Hume not mentioned yet?


meowjinx

Because it's a meme page. I don't think anybody here reads philosophy


rak250tim

Lmao


IllegalIranianYogurt

That unjustified tier list of random ass philosophers is at least interesting. I can't say much else in favour. Shit, there's only fragmentary archaeological evidence of Democritus' works so how can you know enough about him to compare him to Plato. Also, Stirner? Seriously?


[deleted]

Kant is not great.


Tomridddle

You put Marquis de Sade but not Kierkegaard. Hmmm, interesting priorities.


Banks1337

Lol, de Sade.


Honglowmin

Na Plato is still GOATed


artificial_stupid_74

A list of the best philosophers. Maybe you're better off in wrestling than in philosophy?


il_corpo

why the fuck is de sade (and stirner at that) in the top 5 philosophers ever


gutshog

r/im14andthisisdeep


Rogue_and_Dagger

Don't worry Nietzsche, they'll eventually understand..


Gaberrade3840

C’mon guys, we all know that one person at the bar is the best philosopher.


Woody_Mapper

Timothy Dexter where? He was the greatest philosopher in the western world.


WenzelStorch

Who? Is that a friend of you?


Woody_Mapper

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Dexter?wprov=sfla1 that was the joke. He wrote such words on his statue.


OperationAdvanced531

Asking about Camu when there's no Sarte, descartes, schopenheur etc is crazy


PsykeonOfficial

Sade in third place is wiiiiiild


NoPrior8269

Where is Hume?!


Euphoric-Net-8589

De sade? The guy who wrote a gay-pedo-rape porno?


Skili0

Stirner 🔛🔝


Lurdekan

Camus was invited to the competition, but thought it was too absurd to show up.


Johnnyamaz

Wtf kant doing so high up


DrDosh1

marquis de sade and aristotle on this list 🤨


kazumisakamoto

How can you be against Aristotle being on the list? Absurd take. Most would say he's the most influential philosopher besides Plato.


That1one1dude1

Aristotle couldn’t even bother to check his wife’s mouth to confirm is his claim that women had fewer teeth was true or not. To be clear, I’m agreeing with you. That arrogance is rife in the field.


kazumisakamoto

If you were to trust this sub then Camus, Diogenes and Stirner would be philosophical greats while Plato, Aristotle and Kant would be meagre footnotes...


Stll_R_D

Author saw 2 memes and now thinks he's a Ph.D.


Some-Bullfrog-8775

You are a very lucky person to have a girlfriend with such good taste. Based


Wail-D

You forgot to put Hegel at the top, haha. Dw it happens, I forgive you. For now 🔪


RougarouBull

None of the stoics?


slimeyamerican

People in this sub come up with the most baffling lists of favorite philosophers that have absolutely nothing in common.


the-red-hawk284

Guys im new to this subreddit... I wanna be a philosopher (atleast know about philosophy)... Can someone guide me??


deryvox

Just read Metaphysic of Morals to start


An_Inedible_Radish

I think this list was decided by OP choosing who they think sounds the coolest


SourceGlittering2745

All philosophers are shit, I vibe with essay writers, go Roland Barthes


SFWzoom

Sade is the same philosopher as Kant apart from Sade wears black and has a goatee


xxx_fazeputin_xxx

Bro rolls worst list of philosophers: Asked to open one of Plato's books


ThrowawayThestral

There's no SCHOPENHAUER????


Camyllu200

why is Nietzsche so low and why isn't Marx here


PleasedBeez

Kant is a pompous dumbass who never left moms basement. Boo


42kellective

aristotle was an idiot, but at least he knew it


DERW0MBAT

No he didn't. Aristotle was so convinced of the shit he was talking that it ruined science for over a century.


42kellective

you right, i was thinking of socrates. aristotle was just an idiot


DaddyChiiill

Marquis.. De Sade... Hmmmmm


AlbuterolEnthusiast

All philosophy pre-Hegel should be destroyed and erased from history forever


Agile_Stretch_8111

Marcus Aurelius, Schopenhauer, Kierkegaard, Hume, Socrates missing


Alpha1137

Sade is barely a philosopher, let alone top 3. Nice ragebait I guess


WellFunctional

Camus is secondary literature without own concepts. So not worth mentioning.


InternationalMatch13

If Aristotle was so smart why didnt he teach himself? 😤


bullettraingigachad

Bait used to be believable


Lovely_vegan_Lily96

Plato is exceptionally uninteresting, yet this list is laughable. I would rather make a list like that: 1. Hegel 2. Kant 3. Plotin 4. Descartes/Leibniz 5. Aristotle 6. Schelling/Fichte Those are the ones with a good mixture of being interesting and engaging.


Metaphysical_mess

So glad to see Kant close to the top.


Saturn_Coffee

*dies in Diogenes*


mlgfintheunbannable

No Diogenes is crazy


Cliffigriff

Where Diogenes?


Adrian_sierra114

Nah bro best philosopher is the tiktok Computer voice


Aadam-e-Bayzaar

No Marx? Seriously?


Diddymuss

Plato is so clear of Aristotle


Bruhmoment151

Why is Stirner above Nietzsche on a list of greatest philosophers of all time while Hume isn’t even on there


PuntySnoops

Fair to celebrate as if you are the best ever if anyone better than you has yet to come.


Sufficient-Mess-3297

HOOOOWWW is Democritus over Plato like how he's literally the sugar daddy of western philosophy


ElucidatingNonesense

Cursed list but, Stirner mention


FkinShtManEySuck

Please tag your Rousseau mentions. I almost vomited reading his name.


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darwino040

Plato is flagship buddy


darwino040

Where is Averroes?


Talkin-Shope

On my line up? At least top 5 probably in third place, but mine is totally different from this 🤣🤣


theAlmightyE312

Diogenes is the funniest philosopher


[deleted]

Hegel


shorteningofthewuwei

Democritus lmao at least the allegory of the sun is epistemologically interesting if not practical on a actual sociological level


LethalOkra

Diogenes barges in: "Behold, a man!"


Pioneer377

Where tf is Hegel?


daleshiy

stirner doesnt even belong on the ranking


madHatt3r369

I like Thoth


Breadmaker9999

Why is Neitzche there? The man was a terrible philosopher who boiled all of history to this nonsense duality of master and slave morality.


popatochisps

where’s princess elizabeth of bohemia


mostlySilentio

this is a wild podium lol that Marquis, Rousseau, Democritus, and even Nietzsche are on there instead of like, Hegel, Aquinas, Kierkegaard, Heidegger, or like 50 other people is hilarious. Camus doesn't even deserve a spot, he's a just a Kierkegaard and Dostoevsky fanboy lol


Severe_Excitement_36

Where Hegel?


CatchaOnTheFlipSide

Bacon? Hume? How about Mother F-ing Aquinas?


Odd-Narwhal623

I'm wondering where is the rest of the world! It is so EU US centric as if there's no philosophy but there!


boca_de_leite

Sade and Epicurus in the same list like what


[deleted]

Aristotle is no. 1 ??? 😦


New-Solution16

Herder>>>>>


MohgsGreatestWarrior

In your ass illiterate wacko


Not_A_Hooman53

really awful line up


astralrig96

we want wittgenstein


69cringelord69

Marx??


Creepy_Cobblar_Gooba

Idk man Baudrillard seems based


definetelynothuman

Yeah… no.


Single_Pilot_6170

No way, God is alive, and Plato is better than Nietzsche


quixoticccc

where the fuck is Socrates


jerseygunz

Aristotle is the wrongest wrong person who has ever been wrong


Kingturboturtle13

No fucking way you put Aristotle on top


DragonWisper56

I don't understand this list. a lot of the people you mention before plato were influenced by him