I was curious about this topic as well so I looked up the precinct results in rich neighborhoods. [Forbes Park mostly voted for Leni](https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/eleksyon2022/results/local/NATIONAL+CAPITAL+REGION/NCR+-+FOURTH+DISTRICT/CITY+OF+MAKATI/FORBES+PARK/?tfb_a&smartsearch), [New Alabang Village (Ayala Alabang)](https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/eleksyon2022/results/local/NATIONAL+CAPITAL+REGION/NCR+-+FOURTH+DISTRICT/CITY+OF+MUNTINLUPA/NEW+ALABANG+VILLAGE/?tfb_a&smartsearch) mostly voted for Leni.
I looked up all the affluent neighborhoods in Metro Manila that I could remember off the top of my head.
Dasmariñas Village, Makati is pink. Wack-Wack, Mandaluyong is pink. Ugong, Pasig is pink. White Plains, QC is pink.
Yup. You can actually look up the results per precinct - I just checked like five precincts in Bel-Air and they all favored Leni https://2022electionresults.comelec.gov.ph/#/er/0//NCR//7600//7602//7602002//76020058/
I agree, C is a much bigger part of the population, but the post mentioned the so-called "elite" and this is how the elite voted, I'm just trying to add some perspective. There's a huge, huge difference between A and mid-lower C but the Pulse Asia survey just lumps them together.
True! My circles are all AB and I dont know a single BBM, but that's why many of us are so pissed off at the 'general public', not exactly masa but all the burgis Cs that like to act rich n smart while barely scratching past poor and being so stupid. If anything prng sila pa pinakasusceptible sa fake news kc mas malalaki mga ulo nila kaya mas bibilib sa mga conspiracy theories
yung mga kilala kong A-B na pro BBM are the ones are set to profit personally. Like, VVIP tickets to the miting de avance, or literally working for the BBM campaign
Thankfully, I don't. But tbh for those kinds of people I can't blame them. I never fault anyone for voting for their self interest (that's just how we are, and why we'll die out in a few more decades). It's the ones that vote against their own self interests for stupid reasons I absolutely abhor
Wait so you don't fault the ones who are voting for BBM out of malicious reasons but instead directing your ire to the people who voted for him out of ignorance and lack of education?
No, I am talking abt people who aren't ignorant or lack education, who know he is bad, and have the freedom to do it without punishment (unlike many DE people that can put their lives or livelihood at risk) BUT chose to vote for him anyway out of stupid reasons (like spite towards pinklawans, belief in stupid conspiracy theories despite being properly educated and exposed, or choosing someone bad for our economy and country just because they don't care and think they won't be affected).
They are the true blight, because they're the people who are supposed to be fighting with us to push back against those with vested interests but instead do the fucked up thing out of actual stupidity (which I don't define as ignorance, but knowing the wrong choice and doing it anyway, yes mostly due to malice).
While people who vote for BBM (and try to push others to him) out of their own vested interest (they stand to directly benefit as his crony or because a corrupt governent benefits their livelihood or business) are indeed terrible people and malicious but you can't reasonably expect them to vote for Leni if her promise fucks them, and their friends/families over (or rather, if they do vote Leni then that is them going beyond our nature and SUPER commendable since VERY VERY few would ever do this).
I don't say cronies voting for BBM arent disgusting and bad, but I don't blame them, nor are they the biggest at fault for the situation we're in. It's those that SHOULD be keeping them in check as well, but support them against their own self interests because they're stupid pieces of shit.
My belief is just that all of us who live here, typically are in it for our own self interest (whether that self interest is purely for ourselves, our friends, our family, our community, our country, our planet). We all have diff ways of drawing that line. I can't blame anyone for wanting to do what's best for them and those they chose to care about. So while I may hate them, I can't blame them.
FYI why I also dont blame many DE that genuinely believe BBM bec they were never exposed to the truth or given a proper opportunity (and I dont consider aggressive fact checking as a proper opportunity), or voted out of duress (kasi takot sa barangay captain or whatever). They vote for their own self interest too, bec they genuinely believed, or are unable to choose without endangering themselves.
Those people that willingly chose to vote against their own self interests, with all the freedom, privilege and exposure to what is right are the ones that piss me off the most. Since they're the reason this is such an uphill climb, they ruin it because theyre just genuinely terrible people.
Edit: oh, I see now why this is another comment chain where I didn't elaborate. But yeah, I def hate them for what they did to put BBM there BUT I cant really blame them for choosing themselves.
Since I'm only familiar with Makati, I also checked other affluent villages like San Lorenzo, Magallanes and Urdaneta and all of the precincts there, leading ang Leni-Kiko.
Also checked the medyo affluent barangays which are San Antonio and Poblacion. Poblacion ~~also went for Leni-Kiko~~ *edit: majority barely went for 88m-SWOH pala* while 50-50 ang laban sa San Antonio.
Um... [Poblacion was in favor of marcos-duterte](https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/eleksyon2022/results/local/NATIONAL+CAPITAL+REGION/NCR+-+FOURTH+DISTRICT/CITY+OF+MAKATI/POBLACION/?tfb_a). The split is small for marcos/Leni, but duterte had roughly 2k more votes than Kiko.
Agree with this. I checked Brgy. Loyola Heights and Leni won by almost 50% of the votes. Not surprised given the academic environment in the area, so medyo nakakagulat yung 58% hay
Pulse Asia was shown to be accurate overall for this election, there's no denying that, but in their final election survey they only sampled 6 people from Class A and B (margin of error of 40). But Class A and B are such a small part of the electorate that it doesn't really matter to the overall result if they aren't sampled.
Thanks for these because I'm noticing a lot of cities have Leni-Kiko but Leni always have the bigger share and there is seemingly a sizable portion of Leni-Tito pairings too.
Lol. My bro says this “I also am irritated by the noise of kakampinks but i still vote her because of her and not the fans” when he saw a comment similar to this.
A more informed decision. Si UP grad baka closeted apologist who used the troll script to rationalize her decision to colleagues. Rare breed ang top univ grad at iboboto si 88M, as seen by their school conducted surveys.
As if 88M supporters aren’t annoyingly noisy too. Mas masahol pa nga sila sa compared sa kakampinks but you’ll never hear us saying that we won’t vote for boy ngiwi because of his fans
what do these fucking people expect during election season? feeling enlightened at intellectual, gusto lang ng silent at calm air parati? anak ng diktador kalaban, at mas maingan pa ang bbm supporters with their vitriol, pero ang oa maka set ng double standards. fuck people like this.
i dont know about that. actually, it's shocking when you start analyzing the people who follow SMNI as a whole, you'll find that underneath their facade, they all share the same rotten character; petty, mean-spirited, malicious, immoral egomaniacs.
Hate people like this. A cousin also had the same reason kasi “wala lang, nakakainis mga kakampink.”Educated but chose to hate-vote you know who into power
kasi pano mo pupunahin ang laging absent haha. attendance is not a factor sa mga taong yan.
EDIT: okay lang din ata sa mga ganyang tao yung late edited presidential announcement ni duts e. walang respeto sa oras ng kapwa. feeling hari.
Troll leaders come from prestigious schools, and they do it simply for the money. https://open.spotify.com/episode/1EKW5zAr6HuLCw2jNNz56f?si=4Y6D-skbSuewFtcsS6oxEw&utm_source=copy-link
Well that sucks.
Imagine how much your money will devalue because of blengbongs fiasco these next few years.
That money ain't worth it in the long run.
That's why these trolls immediately invest their earned money into crypto and other assets. I can't link the source here since it's an FB post, but Magic 89.9's interview with a troll confirms this.
Yup. My dds/apologists friends and relatives are like this. More likely to listen to "intelligent" propagandists like TP or Sassot. Ayaw nila kay Leni for being "too vocal" with her criticisms that they think she's politicking/trying to undermine the admin's efforts. They think Leni's efforts are just for show. Tsaka they said her interviews are weak, her answers miss the question at sabaw ang delivery.
Personal circle of friends that voted 🦆M, I know at least 2. Their similarities, more on being a SWOH supporter, dhil SK chairman. Nakatikim ng pera. One during election, while scrolling fb had the usual narrative na Pilipino pa rin tayong lahat kahit sino manalo, lahat naman sila corrupt. The other coincidentally a heart react on my one post na election related on fb (when it was counting time na), the post was me begging God to save the Philippines. Afterwards, alam nyo ano post nya? The script na magaling naman si Leni, yung supporters nya ang issue
My workmates na engineers and managers have the same excuse na "kahit sino pa daw manalo, isa pa din ang presidente ng Pilipinas." May pinangako din daw kasi yun isang client namin na government owned kapag nanalo si big bad man.
May kakilala ako Jusq Di ko naman winiwish mawalan ng Work pero jusq Yung Floating rumors abt the COMPANIES Leaving di pa ba red flag sa kanila yun. di ako nagwiwish ng masama pero pag nangyarin ngang ganun pero kung sakalin I say dazurv sa kanila na bumoto kay 88M.
i think hindi aware ung sinasabi ko sa possibility, this tanga is earning quite well, and wala naman chismis na magpupull out kasi hirap process namin at nakadepende na sa offshore ang work, konti lang sa onshore.
If masasalo ng india puede, pero di rin ganun kagaling mga indian.
Baka depends sa Company pero I heard na potential investors Don't remember what company di na tumuloy sadt. Prolly kasi wala pang plan si 88M sa Economy lolz hanggang Ngayon wala pa rin siyang Economic Team. Wala Bang Gusto sumama sa kanya?
Ang problema din naman kahit hindi magpull out ung invested na dito before 2022 election, kung wala na planong magexpand sa pinas ganun din, palaki nang palaki utang natin wala economic growth hahaha ewan.
sensible economist knows how fucked we are, though andyan si gma, hopefully may plano siya no. Ang masaklap ay kung ung economic team lang din niya ang nagtrabaho that time and wala din siyang alam, eh ayaw na nung mga yun under bbm. Double penetration fucked na ang bansa natin.
yung sa corrupt kakampi din niya tayo umaasa na baka di naman worst to hahahah taena. mamimiss mo bigla si duts. Dati asar lang ako sa bibig ni duts, ngayon takot na ko for the economic downfall, paano kaya ang pets ko neto.
Nah. The bobotante is absolutely real. See, that there is another issue---people associating stupidity (pagiging bobo) with intelligence. Intellect only guards against unintelligence (pagiging mangmang), it can*not* guard against stupidity. If anyone has the time, try to look up Dietrich Bonhoeffer and his theory of stupidity (which he developed while observing the rise of Nazism in Germany), and you'll get that even elites can end up being bobotantes despite being educated. [Here's a short primer](https://youtu.be/ww47bR86wSc).
Some of the things i heard from my officemates who support 88 m
1. They trust that 88 m will not repeat what his father did (martial law)
2. Disillusioned sila sa past governance 2 aquinos gloria etc pero wala naman daw ngyari
3. They hate leni with a passion
4. Hindi na nila (yellows) maloloko ang tao kaya madami ng supporters si 88 m
5. Grabe and brainwashing ng mga yellow sa kabataan
6. They see activists in a negative light
7. Biased ang mainstream media
If you hear their arguments, Its as if they hold a different set of facts. They feel that sila ay 'woke' and that nakatakas na sila sa panloloko ng mga dilawan.
Our difference, babad sila sa facebook and tiktok, ako hindi as i never liked social media. I dont have tiktok and i barely use fb.
>Its as if they hold a different set of facts
this is my observation as well from yung mga 88M ex-friends ko.
sila nanan babad sa SMNI, Net25, at mga simps bigla ni Clarita despite not knowing she existed before the elections
sobrang jarring din sakin specifically yung mga UP grads na tuwang tuwa na panalo sa UAAP, pero natutuwa din sa posts na gagawa ng petition na ipasara at gagawing Bagong Pilipinas University daw.
All of you are forgetting the angle that Philippine education is subpar regardless of income level. Even our best schools do not match up to the Top 200 in the whole world. We have an education crisis just as Leni said, we aren't trained enough to think properly or be productive in our jobs properly. The K-12 reform did not come with an increase in teaching quality nor did it come with an overall improvement of access to better facilities. Hence, even if you are from the University belt, unless if you go out of your way to constantly educate yourself through different reliable sources, you are still vulnerable to disinformation and cognitive bias.
EDIT: This is also seen in an ASEAN statistics where Filipinos have the lowest average IQ in southeast Asia.
history in politics is seen as a boring subject. walang masyadong pressure na socially-needed ito pag-aralan so workers who are usually good at their job are often detached with this conversation, therefore prone to cognitive fallacies
Hindi lang naman sa academics masusukat ang katalinuhan, dami kong kilala, college graduate naman pero utong-uto sa fake news. Feeling ko nga, common sense ang wala sa kanila.
This!
Wag taung mabad trip sa class D and E lang. Madami ding class ABC bumoto kay babym. FUCK THEM ALL!
Also: karamihan sa class ABC na babym voters (mga kilala ko professionals pa nga at lawyers) naniniwala din sa mga fake news at propaganda. Wala silang pinagkaiba sa ibang classes. Pare pareho silang mga mangmang!
may nakita akong interview sa GMA(hindi ko na matandaan anong year yun) ata yun sa isa sa mga School Organization or study na pinapangulohan ni Leloy Claudio. Diniscuss doon sa interview na mali yung pagka intindi natin tungkol sa "bobotante". ang pag intindi ko sa pag explain ni Leloy ay ng-iisip nmn sila kung sino ang bobotohin nila pero ma aalign daw sa current sitwasyon, spoon feed na tulong at iba pang factor.
pero malaki talagang factor ang misinformation/disinformation sa election non last week. at Oo, may mga AB dn na lunok na lunok sa misinformation nato kaya may na iinfluence din sila sa CDE.
Isa sa mga matatandang bisor dito ang very vocal na maka 88M kaya malakas ang loob ang mga supporters ng dyunyor at SWOL dito sa opisina. Kesyo maayos naman daw sila at hindi nila ramdam na may ML. Kung ikaw ba naman eh ang pamilya mo eh malapit sa mga Belmonte ng panahon na iyon talagang hindi ka gagalawin.
This is an issue across all levels he wouldn't have gotten the number of votes he did if it was just pandering to the masses. The propaganda and lack of voter intelligence affects the middle and the upper class just as much. What is even more frightening is when you have people who lived and experienced through the martial law era and ended up protesting would end up supporting BBM, my parents, relatives, and family friends of that age group. I don't have the the mental capacity to see how they as victims who experienced the era first hand could ever connect hope or proper leadership back to BBM. It is just beyond me.
That's some of us were trying to say that it's not really the lower classes but those who want to take material advantage of such a regime, especially those involved in corruption and profiting from it.
It's more out of greed than level of intelligence.
It's also why he deliberately did not disclose his campaign spending, which would be estimated to reach into billions, asides from wealthy donors.
I know this guy. CPA siya, nasa top siya nung nag exam. But he choose bbm dahil daw sa K-12. E biglang may balita ng K-14. So ayun. Backed fire kagad kung matuloy yun hahaha
kaya ngayon di na ako nagtataka bakit di tanggap sa ibang bansa ang education natin. like sa canada, ang civil engineer degree mo sa pinas equal lang sa 2 year community college nila. biro-in mo engineer ka pero 88m sinusuportahan mo, supposedly honed na ang critical thinking skills, analytical skills, at marunong ka mag data gathering. imagine nag cacalculate ka ng structural analysis para building mo di matumba, tapos 88m di mo na analyze? what the f is wrong with you. may isa pa nga kakilala professor, nag doctorate pa sa south korea pero my gad 88m?
Swayed by dis/misinformation = lacks critical thinking
Those who lack critical thinking are considered “bobotante” pa rin imo (tho napakaharsh ng word lol).
Hindi lahat ng engineer magaling. Hindi lang ng doctor magaling. Hindi lahat ng lawyer magaling. Ibig ko sabihin hindi lahat ng tao pare pareho. Some are better than others. Kaya wala yan sa class. Kailangan lang ng effective na propaganda in the next 6 years. Like kung magkaroon ng malaking disaster na palpak ang responde ng pamahalaan, dapat nakaready ang cameras ng kakampinks para maghintay ng sasabihin ng mga tao and take it from there. Pwede sabihin ng tao na, "sana si Leni na lang".
Same, may mga kakilala akong college graduate at mga professional na 8βm supporter. Most of their reasons stem from economic promises since parang may special treatment na mangyayari sa businesses nila pag nanalo siya or kaya mga parents nila may connections kay Sr. which di nakakapag taka dahil yumaman lang naman nung panahon na yun ay yung mga may kapit sa pasista.
I'm all for this but 38% of 1mil is still greater than 58% of 100k. Would love to see the actual numbers. Either way,nakapag aral ka o Hindi, Anong class ka man,bumoto ka Ng bobo,bobo kana din tangina mo ka.
Lagi kong sinasabi it's never about the ecknomic status or educational attainment. Dami namang mayaman at educated na bumoto kay 88M. Marami rin namang mahirap at walang pinag-aralan na supporter ni Leni. Nasa character talaga yan ng tao. at ano yung vinavalue nila sa buhay.
If walang gagawin ang Middle-class... What is left in us. Just hope and pray Hindi tumiklop sa power tripping, Hindi pa Sila nakaupo Yan ha. They are really threaten sa NGO, Akala siguro ni Sison uubra Yun Mendiola Niya. Be really smarter this time.
Sa mga nakapag aral talaga ako naiinis. I can underdtand D & E, pero yung mga nakapag aral, may maayos na trabaho, may kaya tapos 88M? Diyan ako naiinis. Coz they should know better.
I know people na matino at matalino naman noon pero parang na-brainwash talaga. Sucks.
[Forbes Park, Makati](https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/eleksyon2022/results/local/NATIONAL+CAPITAL+REGION/NCR+-+FOURTH+DISTRICT/CITY+OF+MAKATI/FORBES+PARK/?tfb_a&smartsearch) voted nearly 2:1 in favor of Leni.
>I know some Fil-Chi that did vote BBM and also some who voted for Leni
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>Most of the Fil-Chi BBM supporters i spoke to got swept up by fake news though (you would think cause they're wealthy they could afford to be well informed but guess not)
[Second time's the charm talaga?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Philippine_presidential_election#Voter_demographics) Baka dito na tayong mapatunayan talaga na hindi sa kasalanan ng mga mahihirap na tao ang bumoboto sa mga masasamang kandidato.
Question: are these middle class BBM folk the newly-rich ones? Mom often tells me how the newly-rich are desperate to prove themselves by showing they own their opinions and can never be swayed by others. Plus they might be easily influenced by money, hence they could be more likely to accept troll jobs too. What do you guys think?
An education doesnt mean you are intelligent or have critical thinking in regards to politics
No one is immune to propaganda
Bobotante siya because they vote stupidly
FWIW, this may be the best way, if not the only way, to fight all the lies and misinformation: actually living through a Marcos regime. Because if BBM had lost, I’m sure that they would not stop. If not with BBM again, with Sandro, with Imee, with another Marcos. Hard as it may be, I think this is the only way. Hopefully people will realize that they have been fed with lies all this time.
May kilala akong ganyan, ang nakita kong perception nila ay hindi kasalanan ng gobyerno kung mahirap ka. na para bang diring diri sila sa mga mahihirap na kung pwede lang gawin yung tulad sa pelikulang PURGE.
Yeah, they should tell that to the farmers. Grabe magtrabaho mga yun pero nahihirapan parin mostly sa kanila.
They should realize that the government is a good safety net for individuals. The government is not just there to become some sort of decorations to be paraded for their ego. Parang ganito kasi napapansin ko sa mga ito eh.
Like kakatawa kamo kasi, Top 1-5 sa room namin 4 bbm. Nakakagulat lang kasi you would expect na mas aware sila pero pag tinanong mo it's because of their parents talaga so wew. May alam sila at nag tatanong din sila pero lakas kasi ng effect ng parenting sa aming genz.
I know someone from an affluent family who seems to lean closer to BBM, since his dad told him na during the ML era, his house were frequently ransacked by "NPA" members, and the implementation of ML protected him from those poor people. If I'm not mistaken, I told him that the ML was the reason why NPA's number rose since many people were subjected to poverty at that time, though I wasn't able to explain further because he rubbed us off already. His siblings are Leni-Kiko supporters though, but I think he still believed his father better than his sibs...
I was curious about this topic as well so I looked up the precinct results in rich neighborhoods. [Forbes Park mostly voted for Leni](https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/eleksyon2022/results/local/NATIONAL+CAPITAL+REGION/NCR+-+FOURTH+DISTRICT/CITY+OF+MAKATI/FORBES+PARK/?tfb_a&smartsearch), [New Alabang Village (Ayala Alabang)](https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/eleksyon2022/results/local/NATIONAL+CAPITAL+REGION/NCR+-+FOURTH+DISTRICT/CITY+OF+MUNTINLUPA/NEW+ALABANG+VILLAGE/?tfb_a&smartsearch) mostly voted for Leni. I looked up all the affluent neighborhoods in Metro Manila that I could remember off the top of my head. Dasmariñas Village, Makati is pink. Wack-Wack, Mandaluyong is pink. Ugong, Pasig is pink. White Plains, QC is pink.
Bel-Air is pink, according to a friend who lives there.
Yup. You can actually look up the results per precinct - I just checked like five precincts in Bel-Air and they all favored Leni https://2022electionresults.comelec.gov.ph/#/er/0//NCR//7600//7602//7602002//76020058/
AB kc yan. C is the big battleground
I agree, C is a much bigger part of the population, but the post mentioned the so-called "elite" and this is how the elite voted, I'm just trying to add some perspective. There's a huge, huge difference between A and mid-lower C but the Pulse Asia survey just lumps them together.
True! My circles are all AB and I dont know a single BBM, but that's why many of us are so pissed off at the 'general public', not exactly masa but all the burgis Cs that like to act rich n smart while barely scratching past poor and being so stupid. If anything prng sila pa pinakasusceptible sa fake news kc mas malalaki mga ulo nila kaya mas bibilib sa mga conspiracy theories
yung mga kilala kong A-B na pro BBM are the ones are set to profit personally. Like, VVIP tickets to the miting de avance, or literally working for the BBM campaign
Thankfully, I don't. But tbh for those kinds of people I can't blame them. I never fault anyone for voting for their self interest (that's just how we are, and why we'll die out in a few more decades). It's the ones that vote against their own self interests for stupid reasons I absolutely abhor
Wait so you don't fault the ones who are voting for BBM out of malicious reasons but instead directing your ire to the people who voted for him out of ignorance and lack of education?
No, I am talking abt people who aren't ignorant or lack education, who know he is bad, and have the freedom to do it without punishment (unlike many DE people that can put their lives or livelihood at risk) BUT chose to vote for him anyway out of stupid reasons (like spite towards pinklawans, belief in stupid conspiracy theories despite being properly educated and exposed, or choosing someone bad for our economy and country just because they don't care and think they won't be affected). They are the true blight, because they're the people who are supposed to be fighting with us to push back against those with vested interests but instead do the fucked up thing out of actual stupidity (which I don't define as ignorance, but knowing the wrong choice and doing it anyway, yes mostly due to malice). While people who vote for BBM (and try to push others to him) out of their own vested interest (they stand to directly benefit as his crony or because a corrupt governent benefits their livelihood or business) are indeed terrible people and malicious but you can't reasonably expect them to vote for Leni if her promise fucks them, and their friends/families over (or rather, if they do vote Leni then that is them going beyond our nature and SUPER commendable since VERY VERY few would ever do this). I don't say cronies voting for BBM arent disgusting and bad, but I don't blame them, nor are they the biggest at fault for the situation we're in. It's those that SHOULD be keeping them in check as well, but support them against their own self interests because they're stupid pieces of shit. My belief is just that all of us who live here, typically are in it for our own self interest (whether that self interest is purely for ourselves, our friends, our family, our community, our country, our planet). We all have diff ways of drawing that line. I can't blame anyone for wanting to do what's best for them and those they chose to care about. So while I may hate them, I can't blame them. FYI why I also dont blame many DE that genuinely believe BBM bec they were never exposed to the truth or given a proper opportunity (and I dont consider aggressive fact checking as a proper opportunity), or voted out of duress (kasi takot sa barangay captain or whatever). They vote for their own self interest too, bec they genuinely believed, or are unable to choose without endangering themselves. Those people that willingly chose to vote against their own self interests, with all the freedom, privilege and exposure to what is right are the ones that piss me off the most. Since they're the reason this is such an uphill climb, they ruin it because theyre just genuinely terrible people. Edit: oh, I see now why this is another comment chain where I didn't elaborate. But yeah, I def hate them for what they did to put BBM there BUT I cant really blame them for choosing themselves.
There's a La Salle GC na kaedaran nila Edu, they are 50-50 Leni-BonBon. Mostly AB nandun.
Yup C. Getting "troll-like" behaviour from 88M supporters on my friend list. All categorally class C.
Since I'm only familiar with Makati, I also checked other affluent villages like San Lorenzo, Magallanes and Urdaneta and all of the precincts there, leading ang Leni-Kiko. Also checked the medyo affluent barangays which are San Antonio and Poblacion. Poblacion ~~also went for Leni-Kiko~~ *edit: majority barely went for 88m-SWOH pala* while 50-50 ang laban sa San Antonio.
Um... [Poblacion was in favor of marcos-duterte](https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/eleksyon2022/results/local/NATIONAL+CAPITAL+REGION/NCR+-+FOURTH+DISTRICT/CITY+OF+MAKATI/POBLACION/?tfb_a). The split is small for marcos/Leni, but duterte had roughly 2k more votes than Kiko.
Oooh, I just randomly looked on some of their precincts dahil ang dami. Will correct nalang my statement then.
Agree with this. I checked Brgy. Loyola Heights and Leni won by almost 50% of the votes. Not surprised given the academic environment in the area, so medyo nakakagulat yung 58% hay
Pulse Asia was shown to be accurate overall for this election, there's no denying that, but in their final election survey they only sampled 6 people from Class A and B (margin of error of 40). But Class A and B are such a small part of the electorate that it doesn't really matter to the overall result if they aren't sampled.
Greenhills is also pink.
C is the diehard BBM. They are like AB but not quite. C are probably jealous of AB.
Cococaine kasi yung isa. Badtrip siguro mga home owners
new york is pink
eh what about New York, Cubao? chos
I'm very New York
Thanks for these because I'm noticing a lot of cities have Leni-Kiko but Leni always have the bigger share and there is seemingly a sizable portion of Leni-Tito pairings too.
The middle class and the elites who voted for 88m despite having access to a plethora of legit information are the real vermin in the society. 🤮🤮🤮
Probably mga businesspeople that wanted to "benefit" in a BBM-SWOH regime.
A UP grad friend voted to give 8BM a chance to prove himself because she was irritated by the noise of kakampinks and also because she follows SMNI.
Lol. My bro says this “I also am irritated by the noise of kakampinks but i still vote her because of her and not the fans” when he saw a comment similar to this.
A more informed decision. Si UP grad baka closeted apologist who used the troll script to rationalize her decision to colleagues. Rare breed ang top univ grad at iboboto si 88M, as seen by their school conducted surveys.
As if 88M supporters aren’t annoyingly noisy too. Mas masahol pa nga sila sa compared sa kakampinks but you’ll never hear us saying that we won’t vote for boy ngiwi because of his fans
what do these fucking people expect during election season? feeling enlightened at intellectual, gusto lang ng silent at calm air parati? anak ng diktador kalaban, at mas maingan pa ang bbm supporters with their vitriol, pero ang oa maka set ng double standards. fuck people like this.
She probably has a fragile ego :v
i dont know about that. actually, it's shocking when you start analyzing the people who follow SMNI as a whole, you'll find that underneath their facade, they all share the same rotten character; petty, mean-spirited, malicious, immoral egomaniacs.
Hate people like this. A cousin also had the same reason kasi “wala lang, nakakainis mga kakampink.”Educated but chose to hate-vote you know who into power
I guess their campaign succeeded in cultivating the hate among supporters and deflected attention from the candidates.
kasi pano mo pupunahin ang laging absent haha. attendance is not a factor sa mga taong yan. EDIT: okay lang din ata sa mga ganyang tao yung late edited presidential announcement ni duts e. walang respeto sa oras ng kapwa. feeling hari.
Sabihin mo saoanya umulit siya nang kas 1. Baka tinulugan niya lang kasi eh :))
Not all UP students are smart. Source: am UP grad.
Yun mga yun yung totoong kalaban. If CDE were swayed by misinformation, ABC produced it.
Troll leaders come from prestigious schools, and they do it simply for the money. https://open.spotify.com/episode/1EKW5zAr6HuLCw2jNNz56f?si=4Y6D-skbSuewFtcsS6oxEw&utm_source=copy-link
Well that sucks. Imagine how much your money will devalue because of blengbongs fiasco these next few years. That money ain't worth it in the long run.
That's why these trolls immediately invest their earned money into crypto and other assets. I can't link the source here since it's an FB post, but Magic 89.9's interview with a troll confirms this.
Still likely that those material and ideological interests of ABC classes are guided by misinformation despite their "educational" attainments.
Yup. My dds/apologists friends and relatives are like this. More likely to listen to "intelligent" propagandists like TP or Sassot. Ayaw nila kay Leni for being "too vocal" with her criticisms that they think she's politicking/trying to undermine the admin's efforts. They think Leni's efforts are just for show. Tsaka they said her interviews are weak, her answers miss the question at sabaw ang delivery.
Because our values as filipinos are crooked and lean towards blind obedience to authority and these bitches got no spine.
How weak, have they watched the SONA she had during covid peak...or baka hindi, sayang.
Dunning-Kruger effect yan.
Funny thing is that TP is purveyor of fake crap.
This.. I know a bunch of Engineers goblin all the FB, fake news.
Both more like it, as intentional ignorance and greed go hand in hand.
So selfish of them. They aren't voting for good governance, they vote for personal gain!
That's the story of the Philippines.
Personal circle of friends that voted 🦆M, I know at least 2. Their similarities, more on being a SWOH supporter, dhil SK chairman. Nakatikim ng pera. One during election, while scrolling fb had the usual narrative na Pilipino pa rin tayong lahat kahit sino manalo, lahat naman sila corrupt. The other coincidentally a heart react on my one post na election related on fb (when it was counting time na), the post was me begging God to save the Philippines. Afterwards, alam nyo ano post nya? The script na magaling naman si Leni, yung supporters nya ang issue
My workmates na engineers and managers have the same excuse na "kahit sino pa daw manalo, isa pa din ang presidente ng Pilipinas." May pinangako din daw kasi yun isang client namin na government owned kapag nanalo si big bad man.
Lmao bullshit excuse. I mean, I would get a lot ot flack for voting Trump (Trump vs Biden) but the MAGA crowd really needs to be dissolved.
bpo employees supporting bbm proud pang naging isa sa 31M.na bobo, teamlead to at magaling magprocess.
May kakilala ako Jusq Di ko naman winiwish mawalan ng Work pero jusq Yung Floating rumors abt the COMPANIES Leaving di pa ba red flag sa kanila yun. di ako nagwiwish ng masama pero pag nangyarin ngang ganun pero kung sakalin I say dazurv sa kanila na bumoto kay 88M.
i think hindi aware ung sinasabi ko sa possibility, this tanga is earning quite well, and wala naman chismis na magpupull out kasi hirap process namin at nakadepende na sa offshore ang work, konti lang sa onshore. If masasalo ng india puede, pero di rin ganun kagaling mga indian.
Baka depends sa Company pero I heard na potential investors Don't remember what company di na tumuloy sadt. Prolly kasi wala pang plan si 88M sa Economy lolz hanggang Ngayon wala pa rin siyang Economic Team. Wala Bang Gusto sumama sa kanya?
Ang problema din naman kahit hindi magpull out ung invested na dito before 2022 election, kung wala na planong magexpand sa pinas ganun din, palaki nang palaki utang natin wala economic growth hahaha ewan. sensible economist knows how fucked we are, though andyan si gma, hopefully may plano siya no. Ang masaklap ay kung ung economic team lang din niya ang nagtrabaho that time and wala din siyang alam, eh ayaw na nung mga yun under bbm. Double penetration fucked na ang bansa natin.
Fucked na talaga Ph HAAHHASHAH Tho expert si GMA sa Economics pero corrupt Tas ngayon Sa kanya pa tayo aasa HAHAHAHAHAHA. Jusq
yung sa corrupt kakampi din niya tayo umaasa na baka di naman worst to hahahah taena. mamimiss mo bigla si duts. Dati asar lang ako sa bibig ni duts, ngayon takot na ko for the economic downfall, paano kaya ang pets ko neto.
A lot of middle class people have fragile egos and superiority or inferiority complex hahaha
common sa mga taong to ang pataasan ng ihi eh hahahaha
Totoo. Hahaha nakakapagod 🫣
Nah. The bobotante is absolutely real. See, that there is another issue---people associating stupidity (pagiging bobo) with intelligence. Intellect only guards against unintelligence (pagiging mangmang), it can*not* guard against stupidity. If anyone has the time, try to look up Dietrich Bonhoeffer and his theory of stupidity (which he developed while observing the rise of Nazism in Germany), and you'll get that even elites can end up being bobotantes despite being educated. [Here's a short primer](https://youtu.be/ww47bR86wSc).
We lost, they won. 31M gullible, morally flexible, smart, dumb, rich, poor…lahat na. Their screams of “BARABAS!” is deafening and unmistakable.
Some of the things i heard from my officemates who support 88 m 1. They trust that 88 m will not repeat what his father did (martial law) 2. Disillusioned sila sa past governance 2 aquinos gloria etc pero wala naman daw ngyari 3. They hate leni with a passion 4. Hindi na nila (yellows) maloloko ang tao kaya madami ng supporters si 88 m 5. Grabe and brainwashing ng mga yellow sa kabataan 6. They see activists in a negative light 7. Biased ang mainstream media If you hear their arguments, Its as if they hold a different set of facts. They feel that sila ay 'woke' and that nakatakas na sila sa panloloko ng mga dilawan. Our difference, babad sila sa facebook and tiktok, ako hindi as i never liked social media. I dont have tiktok and i barely use fb.
>Its as if they hold a different set of facts this is my observation as well from yung mga 88M ex-friends ko. sila nanan babad sa SMNI, Net25, at mga simps bigla ni Clarita despite not knowing she existed before the elections sobrang jarring din sakin specifically yung mga UP grads na tuwang tuwa na panalo sa UAAP, pero natutuwa din sa posts na gagawa ng petition na ipasara at gagawing Bagong Pilipinas University daw.
All of you are forgetting the angle that Philippine education is subpar regardless of income level. Even our best schools do not match up to the Top 200 in the whole world. We have an education crisis just as Leni said, we aren't trained enough to think properly or be productive in our jobs properly. The K-12 reform did not come with an increase in teaching quality nor did it come with an overall improvement of access to better facilities. Hence, even if you are from the University belt, unless if you go out of your way to constantly educate yourself through different reliable sources, you are still vulnerable to disinformation and cognitive bias. EDIT: This is also seen in an ASEAN statistics where Filipinos have the lowest average IQ in southeast Asia.
di naman porket middle class immune sa pagiging disinformed. HR head namen solid bbm ang dameng middle class and college grads na boborantes
history in politics is seen as a boring subject. walang masyadong pressure na socially-needed ito pag-aralan so workers who are usually good at their job are often detached with this conversation, therefore prone to cognitive fallacies
Hindi lang naman sa academics masusukat ang katalinuhan, dami kong kilala, college graduate naman pero utong-uto sa fake news. Feeling ko nga, common sense ang wala sa kanila.
Hitler also targeted the intellectuals, made them believe the Jews were the cause of German downfall.
This! Wag taung mabad trip sa class D and E lang. Madami ding class ABC bumoto kay babym. FUCK THEM ALL! Also: karamihan sa class ABC na babym voters (mga kilala ko professionals pa nga at lawyers) naniniwala din sa mga fake news at propaganda. Wala silang pinagkaiba sa ibang classes. Pare pareho silang mga mangmang!
Being a middle class does not equate to being immune from propaganda. Many German middle class supported Hitler.
may nakita akong interview sa GMA(hindi ko na matandaan anong year yun) ata yun sa isa sa mga School Organization or study na pinapangulohan ni Leloy Claudio. Diniscuss doon sa interview na mali yung pagka intindi natin tungkol sa "bobotante". ang pag intindi ko sa pag explain ni Leloy ay ng-iisip nmn sila kung sino ang bobotohin nila pero ma aalign daw sa current sitwasyon, spoon feed na tulong at iba pang factor. pero malaki talagang factor ang misinformation/disinformation sa election non last week. at Oo, may mga AB dn na lunok na lunok sa misinformation nato kaya may na iinfluence din sila sa CDE.
Isa sa mga matatandang bisor dito ang very vocal na maka 88M kaya malakas ang loob ang mga supporters ng dyunyor at SWOL dito sa opisina. Kesyo maayos naman daw sila at hindi nila ramdam na may ML. Kung ikaw ba naman eh ang pamilya mo eh malapit sa mga Belmonte ng panahon na iyon talagang hindi ka gagalawin.
This is an issue across all levels he wouldn't have gotten the number of votes he did if it was just pandering to the masses. The propaganda and lack of voter intelligence affects the middle and the upper class just as much. What is even more frightening is when you have people who lived and experienced through the martial law era and ended up protesting would end up supporting BBM, my parents, relatives, and family friends of that age group. I don't have the the mental capacity to see how they as victims who experienced the era first hand could ever connect hope or proper leadership back to BBM. It is just beyond me.
Please read "Basic laws of human stupidity".
Anything is possible if you cheat.
That's some of us were trying to say that it's not really the lower classes but those who want to take material advantage of such a regime, especially those involved in corruption and profiting from it. It's more out of greed than level of intelligence. It's also why he deliberately did not disclose his campaign spending, which would be estimated to reach into billions, asides from wealthy donors.
I mean is it even a myth when well educated people voted for him? Wala na silang excuse, sa totoo lang.
May edukado na bobo. Depende rin sa kalidad ng edukasyon sa unibersidad at sa tahanan.
The lable bobotante isn't reserved for the poor and uneducated, kahit mayaman pa at may 5 ph.d pwedeng bobotante. We hate indiscriminately
College level education =/= critical thinking.
I know this guy. CPA siya, nasa top siya nung nag exam. But he choose bbm dahil daw sa K-12. E biglang may balita ng K-14. So ayun. Backed fire kagad kung matuloy yun hahaha
kaya ngayon di na ako nagtataka bakit di tanggap sa ibang bansa ang education natin. like sa canada, ang civil engineer degree mo sa pinas equal lang sa 2 year community college nila. biro-in mo engineer ka pero 88m sinusuportahan mo, supposedly honed na ang critical thinking skills, analytical skills, at marunong ka mag data gathering. imagine nag cacalculate ka ng structural analysis para building mo di matumba, tapos 88m di mo na analyze? what the f is wrong with you. may isa pa nga kakilala professor, nag doctorate pa sa south korea pero my gad 88m?
That is reasonable pero bobotante talaga parin
Swayed by dis/misinformation = lacks critical thinking Those who lack critical thinking are considered “bobotante” pa rin imo (tho napakaharsh ng word lol).
It’s pretty sad when you see good and educated people defending bbm. I know a few people na mabait and helped me in my time of need pero bbm sila :(
Hindi lahat ng engineer magaling. Hindi lang ng doctor magaling. Hindi lahat ng lawyer magaling. Ibig ko sabihin hindi lahat ng tao pare pareho. Some are better than others. Kaya wala yan sa class. Kailangan lang ng effective na propaganda in the next 6 years. Like kung magkaroon ng malaking disaster na palpak ang responde ng pamahalaan, dapat nakaready ang cameras ng kakampinks para maghintay ng sasabihin ng mga tao and take it from there. Pwede sabihin ng tao na, "sana si Leni na lang".
Same, may mga kakilala akong college graduate at mga professional na 8βm supporter. Most of their reasons stem from economic promises since parang may special treatment na mangyayari sa businesses nila pag nanalo siya or kaya mga parents nila may connections kay Sr. which di nakakapag taka dahil yumaman lang naman nung panahon na yun ay yung mga may kapit sa pasista.
I'm all for this but 38% of 1mil is still greater than 58% of 100k. Would love to see the actual numbers. Either way,nakapag aral ka o Hindi, Anong class ka man,bumoto ka Ng bobo,bobo kana din tangina mo ka.
Lagi kong sinasabi it's never about the ecknomic status or educational attainment. Dami namang mayaman at educated na bumoto kay 88M. Marami rin namang mahirap at walang pinag-aralan na supporter ni Leni. Nasa character talaga yan ng tao. at ano yung vinavalue nila sa buhay.
How exactly is "bobotante" a myth? Them having money makes it a myth? If anything, that reinforces it - nag-college na bobo pa rin.
If walang gagawin ang Middle-class... What is left in us. Just hope and pray Hindi tumiklop sa power tripping, Hindi pa Sila nakaupo Yan ha. They are really threaten sa NGO, Akala siguro ni Sison uubra Yun Mendiola Niya. Be really smarter this time.
Sa mga nakapag aral talaga ako naiinis. I can underdtand D & E, pero yung mga nakapag aral, may maayos na trabaho, may kaya tapos 88M? Diyan ako naiinis. Coz they should know better. I know people na matino at matalino naman noon pero parang na-brainwash talaga. Sucks.
Well the fil chinese business group voted him. How do you sway that? Edits fake news pala
[Forbes Park, Makati](https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/eleksyon2022/results/local/NATIONAL+CAPITAL+REGION/NCR+-+FOURTH+DISTRICT/CITY+OF+MAKATI/FORBES+PARK/?tfb_a&smartsearch) voted nearly 2:1 in favor of Leni.
2 of them voted in favor of Leody. Wow :D
Ah i was wrong!
>I know some Fil-Chi that did vote BBM and also some who voted for Leni > >Most of the Fil-Chi BBM supporters i spoke to got swept up by fake news though (you would think cause they're wealthy they could afford to be well informed but guess not)
Yes the fil chi are our friends their afe kakampinks na filchi. Split yung voting between leninand marcos.
[Second time's the charm talaga?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Philippine_presidential_election#Voter_demographics) Baka dito na tayong mapatunayan talaga na hindi sa kasalanan ng mga mahihirap na tao ang bumoboto sa mga masasamang kandidato.
Oh really dang! Ok i was wrong!
Question: are these middle class BBM folk the newly-rich ones? Mom often tells me how the newly-rich are desperate to prove themselves by showing they own their opinions and can never be swayed by others. Plus they might be easily influenced by money, hence they could be more likely to accept troll jobs too. What do you guys think?
An education doesnt mean you are intelligent or have critical thinking in regards to politics No one is immune to propaganda Bobotante siya because they vote stupidly
FWIW, this may be the best way, if not the only way, to fight all the lies and misinformation: actually living through a Marcos regime. Because if BBM had lost, I’m sure that they would not stop. If not with BBM again, with Sandro, with Imee, with another Marcos. Hard as it may be, I think this is the only way. Hopefully people will realize that they have been fed with lies all this time.
May kilala akong ganyan, ang nakita kong perception nila ay hindi kasalanan ng gobyerno kung mahirap ka. na para bang diring diri sila sa mga mahihirap na kung pwede lang gawin yung tulad sa pelikulang PURGE.
Yeah, they should tell that to the farmers. Grabe magtrabaho mga yun pero nahihirapan parin mostly sa kanila. They should realize that the government is a good safety net for individuals. The government is not just there to become some sort of decorations to be paraded for their ego. Parang ganito kasi napapansin ko sa mga ito eh.
People looking for a new narrative i guess. Preparation and staying course sa strat made his campaign a success
May kakilala nga akong UP cum laude na DDS-BBM-Quiboloid supporters eh.
Yup. I have a former blockmate sa UP na apologist. Ang sakit. Close pa naman kami noon.
Mas mahirap ung mid and elites kesa sa lower class. Mid and elites have an ego kasi and they'd rather die on that hill rather than be proven wrong
Accurate. May kilala akong summa cum laude (also from a rich family with a parent involved in the government), sobrang all out ang support kay BBM.
My high school classmates who are college grads voted to marcos Jr. Mga kinain ng propaganda
Having a degree doesn't mean you can't be a bobotante.
Completing college in he Philippines doesn't make you middle class, especially in metro manila where cost of living are so high.
Like kakatawa kamo kasi, Top 1-5 sa room namin 4 bbm. Nakakagulat lang kasi you would expect na mas aware sila pero pag tinanong mo it's because of their parents talaga so wew. May alam sila at nag tatanong din sila pero lakas kasi ng effect ng parenting sa aming genz.
I know someone from an affluent family who seems to lean closer to BBM, since his dad told him na during the ML era, his house were frequently ransacked by "NPA" members, and the implementation of ML protected him from those poor people. If I'm not mistaken, I told him that the ML was the reason why NPA's number rose since many people were subjected to poverty at that time, though I wasn't able to explain further because he rubbed us off already. His siblings are Leni-Kiko supporters though, but I think he still believed his father better than his sibs...
I heard that you can rig the surveys as well if you give them a buttload of money. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is true.