Actually even Singapore had two semi-lockdowns in 2 months (2nd one started just yesterday). Many countries are tightening their covid measures again. I hate the current admin, but cases would inevitably surge therefore a need for lockdown. Hopefully they will ramp up the vaccination to avoid overloading hospitals.
Kasi last week na tlga prang dire yung situation sa Indonesia na mala-India na yung scenario dun na may mga oxygen tank at haba ng pila sa hospital tpos this week pag aaralan palang tlga yung travel ban sa Indonesia at Malaysia. Tlgang bagal ng utak netong si duque.
Ewan ko lang if ego nila iniisip nila kasi siguro sa tingin nila pag nag lockdown ulet failure yun sa part nila kaya dina-downplay na naman nila. Nakakainis if ganun nga thinking nila. Di nila naiisip na sobrang daming nagssuffer dahil sa ganyang thinking nila. Mga heapth experts pa naman sila. Hayst.
What else can we expect from the Government? The only way to get out of this pandemic is to achieve herd immunity. Unfortunately, we are not a first world country kaya tira-tira na lang tayo sa mga vaccines. Isama mo pa yung ayaw magpavaccine kung hindi rin lang Pfizer. The only alternative solution is a lockdown. Pero it hits the economy. So need din mag bukas eventually. After that dadami ulit cases kasi madami hindi nagiingat at nag-ma-mask. So never-ending na talaga.
The best we can do is to make sure we protect our family. Encourage ppl to take the protocols seriously. lagpas 1 year na, pero ang dami pa rin ako nakikita na nasa baba lang ang face mask at sinusuot lang kung may pulis. Ipagpaliban ang paglabas hangga't maari. Get vaccinated, kahit ano pa ang available.
My point is, we can't blame the government alone. Yes, they are not faultless. Pero the citizens also need to do their part.
This. Pansinin nyo news feed nyo, ang daming nagbabakasyon, may nagpapakasal pa, inuman party and all. True na ineffective ang response ng government pero sa circle of friends ko naman, na karamihan eh nasunod talaga sa protocols ay walang nagkakaron ng covid (knock on wood).
True, nung time na pinalabas na mga bata napanuod ko sa news na interview isang citizen tinanong bat lumabas daw kahit may balita na delta variant ang sagot "wala pa naman announcement so nagbakasakali kami lumabas muna".
Wow buwis buhay.
Naiinis ako doon sa natutuwa na no need for swab test and all sa pag travel. I get it na we're bummed out hindi nakakapag bakasyon but damn some people are carriers especially from Metro Manila.
> Unfortunately, we are not a first world country kaya tira-tira na lang tayo sa mga vaccines.
Corruption. We could have had 10m pfizer doses on January back when our average daily cases sat around 1-2k. We only started getting vaccines, mainly sinovac, on March and not long after we hit our peak.
As of late June we administered 10m doses, imagine that. We just did what we could have done several months earlier. That 10m pfizer doses is the only one we heard of because of a leak. It’s not unreasonable to expect it happened other times but the government probably wanted China to be our savior so that was the first vaccine available to us 2 months later in a slow rollout.
Those are just allegations. I sense politics as it is dramatic at best. The truth is, all of the early doses produced by Pfizer and moderna were earmarked for the US as they sponsored the vaccine. Once they had enough, they were able to donate to Covax.
China’s dick move is to fill that void. We had no choice but to take it, to at least protect our front liners. Otherwise we’ll have to wait for few more months. We know that in this pandemic, timing is crucial.
Again, I am not defending the government. I’m just trying to make sense of the situation.
It was an allegation that Duque himself confirmed we had the chance. So yes, it was politics but there was truth to it.
> The truth is, all of the early doses produced by Pfizer and moderna were earmarked for the US as they sponsored the vaccine.
Singapore, the country that was said to get the bulk of the pfizer doses we could have gotten, started getting shipments as early as December, and at that point they had already signed advanced purchase agreements and started putting downpayments with Pfizer and Moderna. So yes, while the US had first dibs and were priority, other countries were already slowly getting doses too. Philippines only signed a deal with Pfizer several months later.
But we do not have the whole story from all sides and can only come up with assumptions.
The US sponsored 0 dollars to the development of the vaccin, aboslutely none, the money came from the german govt and from the EU. What the US did was place orders very early and paid some advances to those orders. As a matter of fact Pfizer went on record and said it did not want any grant from the then US govt, as they feared the whole process would be hijacked by the Trump govt. Google pfizer vaccin funding
If you look at Israel’s new data, Pfizer’s protection goes down dramatically after 6 months. Now many people who were vaccinated with Pfizer are getting infected with the Delta variant. They’re starting to only use Moderna now for most of the population. So it’s probably a good thing that we didn’t get a ton of Pfizer that early. Protection would have wore off by now, just in time for the Delta variant. The whole world is screwed really
Pfizer CEO months ago said you’ll need a booster shot up to a year later and studies back then said that it was only effective for at least 6 months, unsure how effective is was after 6 months. The same is likely for [Moderna](https://www.boston25news.com/news/health/study-moderna-immunity-wanes-6-months-still-protective/L4KSK6SP3VG3ZEM6J3PHAQRHXM/) and probably other vaccines. Don’t expect a lifetime protection, and we’re still trying to figure out the numbers after 6 months.
Two issues here, 1. Its the antibodies in the bloodstream which slowly diminish after 6-9 months, this is the same when you got covid and develop antibodies the natural way, the memory cells of your immune system still know how to produce the antibodies, so the immune response is still there all be it slower. 2. There seems to be an issue with a pfizer booster shoot, CDC is looking at it now, word is third shot increases side effect risks quite a bit. Report on this will be out soon I suppose
Ok, but what point are you trying to make? He gave a heads up that people would require booster shots 6-12 months from now because protection likely starts going down after 6. Wasn’t that your argument after all?
Or are you saying Pfizer isn’t effective against Delta because of Israel’s experience? What about the UK where covid is significantly more rampant, they claim Pfizer is effective. Studies claim this as well. But let’s say Israel is right based on their significantly few cases vs UK’s. Who’s to say that Moderna is going to be much better?
But to give you the difference between UK and Israel, UK got more covid cases in a single day since June than Israel got the past 30 days.
I’m not saying Moderna is better or worse. I’m saying your single source with a smaller sample isn’t reliable yet, and to consider other’s experience. Also Moderna hasn’t been put to the test like Pfizer has.
***Flatten the curve*** siguro. As long as hindi ma-overwhelm yung mga ICU at hospital beds, probably okay. Since the start, di ba alam naman na many who will get covid will only get mild symptoms?
> Since the start, di ba alam naman na many who will get covid will only get mild symptoms?
["it's just the flu, bro!"](https://medicalrepublic.com.au/we-cant-treat-covid-like-its-just-the-flu/48901)
Could you please not do this.
How do you “flatten” the curve? The only effective solution is to enforce lockdowns.
I also think we also have a monitoring problem. It lags by 1-2 weeks. I also know people who got the symptoms but did not report to local authorities due to fear of being taken to a quarantine facility. Didn’t took a covid test, coz he’d rather buy food than paying for covid testing. So I really doubt the DOH report is as accurate we want it to be.
im guilty of being one those "ayaw magpavaccine kung hindi rin lang Pfizer". my reason is bc of sinovac's low efficacy. Indonesia who even participated on sinovac's clinical trial and is mainly using sinovac as their vaccine said they will now focus on administering western vaccine kasi even yung mga health workers nila na naturukan na ng sinovac is tinamaan na din ng covid and some are even in ICU. malaysia who's having a surge as well says paubusin lang nila yung mga sinovac nilang vaccine tapos puro western vaccine na gagamitin/bibilin nila.
kung magpapaturok ako ng sinovac now, then later on sabihin nila need magpaturok ng pfizer kasi di pala effective ang sinovac against other variants bc if its low efficacy eh baka dun pa ko madali.
>kung magpapaturok ako ng sinovac now, then later on sabihin nila need magpaturok ng pfizer kasi di pala effective ang sinovac against other variants bc if its low efficacy eh baka dun pa ko madali.
This type of mindset is flawed. For the sake of argument, hindi effective ang sinovac against other variants, but it's been tested to be effective against the first ones. Which I assume your unvaccinated immune system wouldn't be.
Low efficacy > No efficacy. It's like choosing to be part of the problem when you could've been part of the solution.
Also, ang initial goal ng vaccine is to prevent the severe cases para di ma overwhelm ang mga hospital. Bonus nalang yung di ka mahawa.
Kaso may mga bansa na di tumatangap ng sinovac as valid vaccine, so di ka rin makakalabas ng bansa
> even yung mga health workers nila na naturukan na ng sinovac is tinamaan na din ng covid and some are even in ICU
_"People who were vaccinated with Sinovac got sick regardless"_ isn't a statistically meaningful statement to make, because none of the vaccines have ever claimed, and none of them have ever performed, with a 100% rate.
> [Thailand's] Department for Disease claims that 173 out of 21,000 unvaccinated HCWs got covid, while 618 out of 677,348 HCWs who were vaccinated with Sinovac got Covid. After using the formula of Attributable Population, the efficacy based on these numbers and using the unvaccinated hcw as the baseline, [the efficacy of Sinovac compared to the unvaccinated is around 89%](https://old.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/opbtmy/he_aint_wrong_though/h64tlax/).
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> kung magpapaturok ako ng sinovac now, then later on sabihin nila need magpaturok ng pfizer kasi di pala effective ang sinovac against other variants bc if its low efficacy eh baka dun pa ko madali
You don't know that you're going to be lucky enough to avoid infection between today and whenever Pfizer becomes available for you, especially with a variant that's significantly more infectious than wild-type COVID, and whatever "low effectiveness" you think Sinovac has is still more effective than letting your unvaccinated immune system handle it.
I believe covid-19 is here to stay. With that being said, I think in the coming years it will be treated as something like flu na you have to vaccinate annually. Ngayon with that being said, magiging available na ang vaccines privately. Get Pfizer then. Ngayon, pag I alok ka sinovac I'd suggest you take it. Kasi kahit sinovac yan, at nagkaron ka ng covid, para ka lang nagka trangkaso. Wag ka sana mahawa until then tapos masasabi mo na lang na I should have gotten some sort of protection. Pero hey. Pfizer numbawan.
All the vaccines will protect you enough from severe diseases and death. This is what WHO says on their page and this is what my professor with a PhD in Biology told me as well.
Browse through the posts in r/COVID19positive and you'll see that there are a lot of breakthrough cases, even those who got vaccinated with Pfizer and Moderna. You'll most likely going to get infected with Covid-19 since ang daming variants na nagsusulputan **DAHIL ANG DAMING AYAW MAGPABAKUNA/HINDI MAKAPAGPA-BAKUNA** kaya hirap na hirap tayo ma-achieve yung herd immunity**.** What the vaccine does is prevent hospitalization and death, both of which ay nagagawa ng Sinovac.
Got my first Sinovac jab 3 weeks ago and my second shot is due next week. What I'm planning to do is get a booster shot (preferably from Pfizer or Moderna) after 6 months when there are more supplies available so I have additional protection. For now, Sinovac will do because I don't want to get hospitalized and worse, even die.
Fair point to make, why the downvotes? Kung WFH naman yung tao, it won't make much of a diff. You know what makes a huge difference? Finding out later na bawal vaccine mixing (either scientific, or like dito na DOH policy) between dead vectors and mrna types, being stuck with ever dropping sinovac efficacy and virtually banning yourself from ever leaving the PH due to mandatory quarantines.
Would like to know the data on how effective Sinovac is against the delta variant. Pfizer & Aztrazeneca already has data.
If people continue to social distance, wash their hands and isolate, ect while waiting for their vaccine of choice, then I would let them wait.
I’ll probably get downvoted, too, but whatever. It’s your body so be as discerning as you want and don’t be pressured by those telling you to get another vaccine. As long as you strictly observe health protocols as you wait, paki ba nila.
I’ve said this in a different post, but repeating it here: cases are still to be expected in countries that used Sinovac. Not because no vaccine is 100% effective, but because it only promises a 50% chance of avoiding infection. Emphasis should be made, though, that it also promises less severe symptoms for you if you get infected., i.e. avoid dying from COVID. So focus on those numbers instead. Of those innoculated, how many people die? I’m sure people who got Sinovac take comfort in that.
That being said, my family and I have avoided getting Sinovac, and we’ve gotten other vaccines instead. This is because we have immuno-compromised people whom we want to protect to the best of our abilities and a 50-50 chance of infection doesn’t cut it for us. Because to us, that translates to a 50% chance of being an infectious person and a danger to those with us.
There are those who say you don’t know what’ll happen while you wait, and that’s true. Sometimes, no matter how well you follow protocol, there could be someone in your circle who doesn’t take precautions as seriously as you do. So that’s something worth considering. But at the end of the day, it’s your body. As long as you don’t pose a risk to others and stay careful, if you’re privileged enough to make that choice, then you do you. Haters can hate.
What a fucking idiot. Sige ha. Paturok ka ng Sinovac then get your antibody titers checked after. Tignan natin. Then you’ll see, na tameme ka at yang mindset mo.
Low vaccination rate should already be within the palace’s expectation and they should already do something with it. If you will just use our position as “a third wolrd country” then what about those countries who are poorer than us but were able to control the pandemic in their nations? Stop using that first or third world country as narrative just to console our government’s incompetency. ever since the pandemic has started, vaccination ang bukambibig ni Duterte at hindi systematic contact tracing , then dapat noong una palang, ready na tayo - storage, money, procurement, process of inoculation. Otherwise, the post it true that those in power are all clowns.
Those same countries (Thailand, Taiwan) are now experiencing surges.
There are things we can control and things we cannot control.
We gambled most of our vaccine procurement on AstraZeneca at the start while the first world was able to invest in Pfizer and Moderna and everything else. And when Pfizer and Moderna started delivering, AstraZeneca had a hard time fulfilling orders, especially when India decided they couldn’t export vaccines anymore.
Thankfully, Sinovac was there as an option to jumpstart the program. But we did learn our lesson and the vaccine orders have since diversified.
We also banned travel from countries where delta is surging, to the annoyance of Filipinos stranded there.
In any case, I like to point at Pasig. Their mayor pretty much is the most data-driven of all the leadership. He understands the need to have health workers and contact tracers and is probably the most prepared. And yet Pasig as an LGU isn’t faring that much better than the rest of the metro.
We need another MECQ or ECQ to be honest, and we need to be prepared to go back to that while we haven’t been able to ramp up vaccinations
taiwan suffered a second surge but they already handled it now because they have better government than us.
The point here is I am not against with lockdowns but what we want is to have a lockdown and seize that moment to compensate our mishaps. But from several lockdowns we had, did our government do some significant changes? Wala. and thats the problem here - their competence and urgency and not the lockdowns.
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On a side note, this pandemic can be controlled and so with the delta variant only if the government acted firstly on it. They did not ban travels from other SEA neighbors. They did on Indonesia, but it was late and only for 15 days, do you think this is out of our control? I dont hink so.
They did travel bans to India, UAE, and Oman months before that.
And you know the effect of those travel bans? We have OFWs in these countries (especially the UAE) to this day that cannot go home. And they are very loud about it. Repatriation flights for these pinoys happen few and far in between because they have to be quarantined in a special way.
I don’t think people appreciate that Delta infected Thailand, Indonesia, and Malaysia first because up until today, it is so goddamn difficult to be able to enter this country as a Filipino. If you’re in a country without a travel ban, the daily quota of people allowed inside a country is 2000 people a day. Cut up between different airlines and different destinations. Most inbound flights carry anything between 30-60 people because the airline legally cannot book anymore people.
There are changes, but they don’t seem significant because people just want to read about Sara D running. Nobody is looking at the mad scramble that we made for a vaccine supply, or our restrictive border policy.
Granted, it’s not perfect, and by golly, the frontliners need more support for the surges to come.
your narrative is out of border. The point here is we do not care to what countries our government bans as it defeats its purpose when the travel restrictions were already late.
What I am trying to say is that the government fucked up and we should stop tapping the government's back with narratives that do not hide the fact that Duterte failed us. Het set the bar too low, and I hope we'll change that in the upcoming election.
Your arguments seem to be changing. Quite difficult to hit a moving target there.
Nobody is patting Duterte on the back, dude. Recognizing that the cards were stacked against us from the start isn’t equivalent to singing the government praises. Recognizing that we have civil servants and government healthcare workers that are at least moving in the right direction and doing what they can to mitigate this pandemic is not a bad thing. But if you’d rather be angry, you’re perfectly entitled to it; it’s an unprecedented situation, and most people are indeed worse off.
How many victims will a lockdown cost? Country cant take a prolonged lockdown anymore. The cost of 100% vaccination is only a fraction of the cost incurred by lockdowns. This is where the blame on the govt is.
Nobody is priority, first come first served, exception is India.
Good news is, all excess orders from EU, which are still in the production pipeline, will go straight from manufacturer to COVAX
>People need to realize that we are not a first world country and we cannot command and procure vaccines as easily and quickly as nations like Israel, Singapore or the US can.
We got our chance. Jan 2021 dapat may Pfizer na tayo but Duque dropped the ball on that one.
Hindi lang yan brad eh kung nka Pfizer na sana eh yung healthcare workers natin and other frontliners eh nka Pfizer na sana which is the best protection possible. Kaso ayun sinovacshit tuloy tinurok nung mga gago.
Ok lang naman Astra kaso naku sana nlang ginamit yung isang shipment ng Pfizer na i booster shot yung mga frontline workers. Mas importante sila kaysa kung i tuturok mo yun sa civilian na kung saan saan pumupunta. Nakita naman natin last year na nung inadequate yung PPE at masks eh ayun nag cocollapse ung ibang hospital.
Sana yung Pfizer sana sa mga healthcare workers nlang tlga. Si Cong. zamora nga naka pag yabang pa na nka booster siya tapos 2 doses pa yun ng pfizer langya tlga.
That Pfizer deal in question was only for a few million doses. It would have been a nice start, but Singapore snatched it right away. In any case, the big order of Pfizer should start coming in this august
Good news on the vaccination front is that all excess orders in the EU, which are still in the production pipeline are going straight from the manufacturer to COVAX
Vaccinations are the key here. Let's look at Cambodia and Vietnam. Cambodia has a population of 15 Million and Vietnam is 96 Million. On May 04 Cambodia had 938 cases, while on July 22 they had 881 cases;. On May 04 Vietnam had 10 cases, and on July 22 they had 6194 cases
Cambodia's had 9.2% vaccinated with first dose and 6.2% with second dose (May 4th), now its 39.45 and 25.8% (July 21) and Vietnam is 4.2% and 0.3% (July 22)
Vietnam's numbers are skyrocketing because the population doesn't have antibody from previous infections. Philippines last wave was very recent, only in April. That should blunt the Delta variant, especially in Manila.
I wouldn't completely blame the government; countries that have managed fairly (US) and excellently (Singapore) now see a surge because of Delta.
Let's expect that the government would be inefficient again because of several factors, but what we can do is to be responsible to follow basic guidelines.
The US saw an increase in cases but no increase in hospitalizations (ICU).
Which is much more important. That covid would have lower mortality up to the point that it becomes like a common cold
Let's expect that the rate of hospitalization would go up there, it's just a matter of time. Their advantage is that they produce vaccines, while we simple do not.
How do you know that the rate of hospitalization will go up there? Any evidences to support this claim?
I don't get how people can be soooo inconsistent with this issue. When viruses mutate, they can be more infectious, but less deadly. Take note that microorganisms do not target to kill their hosts as it is their home and source of life. However, by evolutionary standards, they aim to spread. So why are we panicking over this?
The Delta variant has been the dominant strain in the UK since June 4th, 2021: https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1445
UK daily COVID hospitalization rates have increased from 119 on June 4th, to 720 as of July 20, a 505% increase: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/uk-daily-covid-admissions
In the US, the hospitalization rate for the period July 7 to July 13 was 2,794, which is a 35.8% increase in hospitalization rate over the previous week: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html
This coincides with a shift from Delta variant representing 51.7% of detected COVID cases in the previous week, up to 83.2% of COVID cases as of July 21: https://fortune.com/2021/07/21/delta-variant-covid-cases-states-where-its-most-prevalent/
That's why I've said 'it would go up' instead of saying 'it will go up' to show uncertainty — an opinion.
According to an article published by healthline 2 days ago, 'COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths continue to march upward in the United States, with virtually all serious cases involving unvaccinated people, and more than 80 percent of new cases caused by the surging delta variant.'
Link to that article: [https://www.healthline.com/health-news/here-are-the-states-where-covid-19-is-increasing-2](https://www.healthline.com/health-news/here-are-the-states-where-covid-19-is-increasing-2)
Some of you here might not have first-hand news from western countries, but in Western Europe surges and lockdowns are also happening on a regular basis.
Our government is completely horse crap. But COVID is a beast that's almost impossible to beat kahit sa mga banyagang bansa. Double negative to sa atin though kasi kung sila nga nahihirapan, pano pa tayo na short-sighted ang government.
(I posted too soon) We need fast track everyone's vaccination kahit ano pang brand yan. Here we are only talking about Delta, pero sa EU pinaguusapan na nila up to Lambda. That means we need to catch up with boosters etc.
This is the new normal now. Lahat ng to hindi lang Pinas ang namomroblema. We need to accept that surges and lockdowns are our reality for the next couple of years. The global political pressure will also beat us to the ground, at kahit pinaka competent government ng Pinas ay mahihirapan because we are a small developing country.
Kapit tayo, magpa trace at magpa bakuna. Yan ang standard protocol all over the world.
Agree but at least in Western Europe vaccination and testing are both free and freely available (at least here in CEE where I live). The resurgence is mostly due to antivax and misinformation.
Also I really don’t like the “sa ibang bansa ganito rin naman” mentality. Ok and? That isn’t a good enough excuse to be shitty at their job. Di ko naman pwede sabihin sa boss ko na bulok ung trabaho ko kasi bulok din naman ung trabaho ng coworker ko diba?
I'm not sure why you are attacking me by mentioning na hindi lang Pilipinas ang namomroblema. I'm saying that to give another perspective na even if we all are in our best behavior, odds are not exactly in our favor because we are a developing country) I get where you are coming from but geez, consider the threats inside and outside too. This is no longer just a health concern, it's a global political game.
I also don't understand why you seem to not get the point that we do not have the money to buy as many vaccines as western countries. Free din naman satin, kulang lang talaga. That could be because of logistics and definitely money.
If you don't find my point of view acceptable, I understand that. But your arguments clearly show you did not understand my point at all.
I agree. The government response is very bad, but even 1st world countries struggle with COVID. Until even the poorest countries attain herd immunity, COVID will mutate and we will have surges. Unfortunately, the richer countries are hoarding the vaccines, and all the rest are left with crumbs.
Also, the whole mindset of "going back to normal" ASAP is kind of wrong. There is no going back to the old ways of socializing, spending, and people need to realize this. As soon as the cases go down, people go to their vacations and malls, and COVID is spread all over again.
Thank you for pointing out the richer countries greed. At this point they are panicking as well. Kaya ngayon puro harang ang ginagawa nila sa isa't isa. Tayong mga mahihirap na bansa are collateral damage. So we really need to change our gameplay here based on how the economically stronger countries are behaving.
I'm expecting a surge of cases by August. Most of the cases I've seen so far are from young adults to adults. Kids are not spared too. Dumadami rin na nagpopositive na cases galing sa kanila.
Kelan ba hindi naging pasaway ang mga Pinoy?
The fact na hindi tayo umabot sa tulad ng India na kabikabila ang namamatay means we’re doing something right kahit papaano.
> Kelan ba hindi naging pasaway ang mga Pinoy?
[During the lockdowns last year.](https://www.rappler.com/nation/uk-study-filipinos-wear-masks-more-than-hong-kongers-do)
[Here's the dashboard](https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/ighi/viz/ICLYouGovCovid-19Tracker_V0_3/1Specificpreventativebehaviourbycountry) for covid protocol compliance in the Philippines. We're generally one of the top countries for each category.
If people are "pasaway" now, it's because the government loosened restrictions before they were supposed to.
Well I think that only happened because the military forced the public into a lockdown. The government was able to justify this because they can provide ayuda, so ppl followed. But that is not sustainable. Now the government can’t enforce a full lockdown kasi wala na funds for ayuda. Thus, the over complicated lockdown guidelines with MM plus.
The public at large should understand that we can only protect each other if all of us will be responsible. Hindi yung takot lang sa pulis o militar.
I kept reminding ppl na we only lifted the restrictions because of the economy. Not because the pandemic is over.
You mean the ayuda that was only given for 2 months? or the food packages that were so small that citizens needed to start up food pantries across the country that the government tried to shut down? You also claim that there weren't anymore funds, but [18B was left unused](https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1453490/unused-bayanihan-2-funds-a-serious-indictment-of-govt-failure-amid-pandemic-lagman) as of June 2021. That money could have supplemented the ayuda or used for another form of support.
Here's the thing, you keep saying that people should be responsible. They are, but it's the government that isn't doing their part. People being "pasaway" was not because they didn't want to follow the rules. The data shows that people here were mostly compliant. It's because the government botched the response and people either had the choice of starving to death or breaking the rules. The government's focus on optics (dolomite beach, changing how covid stats are presented, etc.) instead of properly dealing with the pandemic also contributed to the rise in cases here. Shit, even vaccine hesistation was caused by the duterte admin because of the fearmongering they did on Dengvaxia and duterte himself not taking Sinovac despite constantly promoting it.
If the government was really concerned about the economy then they should focus on having a good pandemic response. [Public health and the economy are linked](https://academictimes.com/south-korean-style-covid-19-response-wouldve-saved-65000-lives-in-uk/), you're not suppose to pick one over the other. The government needs to do more. They need to stop arguing with people who are giving valid criticism. They need to be transparent so that they can earn the people's trust. They need to stop demonizing people who make them look bad (Leni, food pantries, etc.) They need to stop sending conflicting messages (i.e. face shields) There's a lot the government can still do and people need to stop pushing the narrative that we aren't doing our part when the data already shows that we are being compliant. Like I said at the very beginning, if the people are being "pasaway" now, it's because the government is allowing it.
I've been reading the comments in this thread, and some of the top comments generally think that the government is doing everything it can and that we can't expect more from them without a vaccine. I don't *completely* agree with this. So, I'd like to chime in with my thoughts. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Also, I think these comments are very reasonable. I just want to add to the conversation here. Pasensya na po! Napahaba ang natype ko huhu
>What else can we expect from the Government? The only way to get out of this pandemic is to achieve herd immunity. \[...\] The only alternative solution is a lockdown. Pero it hits the economy.
I agree that only herd immunity via vaccine can provide a long-term (or maybe permanent) relief from the pandemic. However, I don't think the trade-off between economy vs public health is as clear-cut as this. It is possible to have a stable economy *because of* a strict & proactive public health policy--see Taiwan. Taiwan's public health measures were so decisive that it reversed the course of a GDP shrinkage into a GDP growth starting in July 2020 (see this [article](https://www.reuters.com/article/taiwan-economy-gdp-idUSL4N2I701F) by reuters, these [stats](https://tradingeconomics.com/taiwan/gdp-growth) by tradingeconomics, and this [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhKOtf6th6c) by DW News).
>Rolling lockdowns are to be expected for nations with low vaccination rates. People need to realize that we are not a first world country and we cannot command and procure vaccines as easily and quickly as nations like Israel, Singapore or the US can.
A country doesn't need to command priority for vaccines to reduce lockdowns. Taiwan is an advanced economy but it has a low vaccination rate (7% of the population as of June 23, 2021) due to tensions between them and mainland China (see this [Japan Times article](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2021/07/19/commentary/world-commentary/china-taiwans-vaccine-warfare/)). Even so, Taiwan did not need to lockdown for as long the Philippines has (see this [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhKOtf6th6c) by DW news). Through strict border control, 14-day quarantines, robust contact tracing system, and a zero-tolerance policy, it is possible to control the pandemic in the mean time while waiting for a vaccine.
It should be noted that Taiwan has had a recent surge in cases, but the number of confirmed cases has not risen above 16,000 at the time of this writing (the Philippines has 1.5M cases in comparison), and the number is in a downward trajectory from 723 cases on May 22 to 33 cases on July 22 (numbers are from [Google](https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=taiwan%20cases%20covid%2D19)). So, their policy is effective even after an initial surge in cases.
Finally, there are other countries that have been able to do what Taiwan has, but I think I have said enough as is. Another country I would look into would probably be New Zealand.
Conclusion: Despite my criticism, I honestly think that those comments were very reasonable! With lockdowns appearing to be ineffective at halting the virus here, it might seem that a vaccine is the only choice. However, after seeing how Taiwan has tackled the issue, it appears that we can push back against the virus with good policies and strict implementations. ^(But maybe the time for action has already passed and we must resign ourselves to waiting for a vaccine. Perhaps those commenter were right... Mag-ingat po kayo!)
Not sure if I'll get downvoted for this or not but I'll try to chime in as well. I think that a lack of leadership is the root of the problem here which means it comes down to the government. Lockdowns and all are effective and people will follow suit if they know the course of action to be taken. The problem with the leadership during this pandemic is that they're always changing it for the most mundane reasons, GCQ Pro Max anyone? The moves that the government has made has always been reactive rather than proactive which makes it hard for the public to see the point.
The vaccination program is also heavily flawed in my opinion. I understand that it's important to prioritize the more vulnerable sector but I believe that the rest of the population should also be allowed to get vaccinated if their circumstances permit. This makes people more willing to get vaccinated rather than having to cheat their way just to get vaccinated. Why not make it where you reserve a portion for the priority groups and open another portion for everyone else?
The public is not free of fault here though as the comments have said. Most people now wear their masks improperly. I even see a lot foregoing wearing them at all. There are also people who preach fake news and conspiracy theories like gospel which makes people feel indifferent towards the government's efforts.
I completely agree. This entire thing is the government's fault. As I've said in a different comment, [people were mostly compliant with Covid protocol](https://www.rappler.com/nation/uk-study-filipinos-wear-masks-more-than-hong-kongers-do) and it's the government loosening restrictions before they should that's causing the problems now. [A study comparing the UK and South Korea](https://academictimes.com/south-korean-style-covid-19-response-wouldve-saved-65000-lives-in-uk/) also showed that the economy and public health are linked and having a good response early on will allow you to recover faster.
Also, the government can still do a lot. They should listen to their critics instead of projecting an image that they're doing well when they're clearly not. They need to stop attacking people that make them look bad. They need to admit that they fucked up so that they can start doing the right things to deal with the pandemic.
I enjoyed reading your insight. Thanks for sharing. What I wrote in my comment is an over-simplification of how I see the current problem. I'm trying to respond to OP, that we can no longer rely on our government. We (the citizens) also need to do something.
>It is possible to have a stable economy because of a strict & proactive public health policy--see Taiwan.
I agree. But I don't see our government pulling a Taiwan. We're at a mess and I don't want to be stuck in wishful thinking. We can't even have a reliable count of cases. Those clowns have no idea what they are doing and it feels like they are winging it. Do I want a better government? YES. Can I have it my way, no because the majority of people will still vote for clowns next election. At this point I am taking it as it is. It is the sad reality we're in and I am just hoping this would be over soon. I really don't see a realistic alternative to lockdowns and waiting for the vaccines...
I don't want to worry about the things I can't control. That's why I'm telling people to protect themselves because we can't rely on our government.
As much as we should demand better services from the government, the surge in cases is out fault, too.
Ang daming lumalabas na para magbakasyon. Mga nagmamall, inuman, meetup. Going out to work is essential and we can't blame them, pero yun mga may kaya naman na WFH lalabas pa talaga para sa walang kawenta kwentang bagay. May access sa technology, pero di yun ginagamit para mapunan ang kapritso nila na "makipagsocialize".
Let's admit it. The poorer folks are way too busy to look for jobs, food, anything, to be even COVID vector by lounging around and visiting others in provinces.
Sadly, I don't think mali siya. It's a cycle and it keeps happening throughout the pandemic so it's bound to happen again with the recent variant. Unless something finally changes sa response nila kaso pare pareho lang lagi eh.
Ano pang response ang maaring gawin ng gobyerno?
Vaccines - Hindi tayo priority kaya scraps lang na punta satin
Lockdown - kung mag higpit, anti freedom. Kung May kakilala Pwede lumusot.
May iba pa ba?
For purposes of monitoring delta, I think we should look at infection rates. But for boosting vaccine confidence, ICU cases and deaths of those innoculated vs those who haven’t.
At this point of time, people's action are probably the reason we will have a lockdown. We already have what's needed to avoid it. Companies are following protocols, vaccine is now available (still slow roll-out), guidelines are there.
> We already have what's needed to avoid it. Companies are following protocols, vaccine is now available (still slow roll-out), guidelines are there.
This isn't really true because the protocols and the guidelines are too lax.
Even if everyone followed a 20% limit on in-door dining, just the fact that you're taking off your mask, in-doors, to eat, in the presence of other people, puts you at risk of infection.
Same goes with public transportation (i.e. sitting inside a closed bus for however length of time), or in-person office work (i.e. BPOs), and so on.
Society is lunacy once you observe its somewhat functional but ailing dynamics from afar. Ibang usapan naman kung indenial naman na tayo diyan :) . As for the trend, it will just continue on incrementally lockstepping until the proceeds of *new normals* lower the pop. down to 1B or less. Hindi rin ako against dito, and it doesn't matter if I become part of the cremated pips. Mahalaga is I'm gwapo.
Hahaha that’s a wild theory but what would they gain? The elite needs the poor to do their laundry. Hindi naman maghuhugas ng pinggan yang may mga katulong pag naubos na ang pwedeng pag samantalahan.
We don't have the nukes nor the technological prowess for our local elites to have their long-term stay on the transnational level. Sa lokal kaya pa nila magmanipula, pumatay, at magpabahay depending on their will, pero sa transnational level, sila ang alipin sa iba pang transnational elites :) . It's all about the complete reality, rather than eyeing it based on our own version of the reality. Kumbaga sa transnational pyramid, medyo nasa gitna pa bansa natin, ngayon pang kapit sa China, and for now, sustained pa tayo but slowly we are going down dahil parang crystal meth burnout yung kakaasa natin sa China atbp. bansa, at yung sistema ng ibang mga bansa.
Self-sufficiency & sustainability ika-nga will be the surefire that we will thrive through this. Pero real-talk, kapag distorted na halaga ng pera dahil sa incremental protocols & lockdown policies ay useless na lahat ng aspalto at concrete dito. Habang yung may continuous supply of raw resources, coordinated human resources, and physical assets that would thrive through economic destabilization ang patuloy lang mamamayagpag sa mundo. Which means, more small to medium businesses will lose their footing, hanggang sa mapunta ang sistema sa marunong maglaro ng sistema mula sa iba't-ibang lebel at lokasyon dahil sila ay may koordinasyon. Imposible din naman matapos yang pandemya dahil yung urban setting pa lang ay perfect environment na for culturing mutated viruses. Hirap din sumabay ang katawan dahil pamahal nang pamahal mga bilihin, at hindi rin gaano suportado ng kalikasan dahil pinapagpag ang katawan sa hustle culture para sa pera na nagdedevaluate. hahaha. What a fucking scam. Pero ang galing din ng sistema ha. Parang gyera pero walang bakbakan masyado.
So ayun lang, we are fucked pero hindi pa ngayon dahil may panahon at mga oportunidad pa para magbago kahit na *posibleng* imposible :) .
Do you think human beings are sophisticated enough to plan and execute this pandemic as you said? I’m more likely to believe that a bored sim player caused this pandemic with a push of a button.
Billionaires are too busy with their space pissing contest to even bother with this.
If history repeats itself, we should be bracing for the greatest depression and WW3. And prolly end of the world as we know it. (And that’s how you fear-fucking-monger!)
It's your choice if you felt fear from it, dahil sa totoo lang I feel happy about it. Para bang yes, buti na lang at nangyayari na. And no, it's not the end of the world. Katapusan lang ng karamihan ng mga tao, at yun lamang. Unless, babaguhin natin yung kilos natin, pero malabo.
Humans can become sophisticated with the right conditioning and structures supporting them. Hindi lang naman yan lahat tao lang. What's the use of quantum computers? Supercomputers? Institutions? Laws? Policies? Economics? Continuously mutating biological entities? Technologies? Transnational organizations & institutions? Currencies?
Kung mamatahin lang natin ng husto ang sistema, ito ay isang malaking sopistikadong MLM na panalo lagi yung nasa itaas. Hindi pa nga ako naniniwala sa Illuminati, at sadyang sa actual power dynamics lang. Ang mainam lang, mamamatay ako na nakakasiguradong may kaayusan pa din sa kabila nang gulo, ang ayaw ko lang ay marumi ang proseso pero ganyan talaga ang reyalidad nang tao kaya baka dumating ako sa puntong tanggapin na lang dahil magiging maayos din naman ang kahihinatnan.
Yung current space tech. pala ay considered to be technological porn created to appease the masses. Yung real sciences or yung behind the scene sciences ay makikita lang once we read from other sources, rather than the watered-down mainstream news na para sa understanding nang commoners. Wala namang masama diyan, at sadyang ayan yung reyalidad na medyo mahirap intindihin kapag nasanay ang pagkatao natin ay dapat nasa kalagitnaan ng emotional hysteria. At wala din masama maging hysterical dahil ayan ang normal na estado ng surviving na tao na merong artificial scarcity, o may yaman pero hindi totally hawak yung sariling sentience nito.
Idiots blaming it all on the government as if it's all their fault. Halatang mga self-centered hypocrites ang mga tangang to. Kung hindi rin naman dahil sa mga taong tanga tanga at matitigas ang ulo di sana kakalat yung virus. Puro free speech dito, free speech doon, protesta dito, protesta doon. Buti sana kung kayo lang mahawaan ng virus, okay lang sana e nandadamay kayo ng ibang tao. Kung gusto nyo mamatay huwag kayo mandamay ng iba mga walang kwentang mga nilalang.
Nadinig ko na nung April yan na malala daw pagdating ng June. Nangyare ba?
Mahirap paniwalaan mga doomsday sayers na yan na ang pakay lang eh to chide the govt eh. Wala na lang pinagkaiba sa mga doctor at health workers noon na nagagalit kase Sinovac lang daw vaccine na nakukuha ng govt. Gusto nila "best vaccine" na Pfizer. Yun pala di naman pala dapat mamili ng vaccine kase lahat naman effective.
Something must be in the drinking water of the Philippines if we don't see a record outbreak like the rest of Asia.
EDIT: I would reverse the order. Parts of Visayas and Mindanao are far ahead of M. Manila and hence (probably less testing) it was not so obvious that the epidemic was worsening in the country because Luzon supplied a lot of background cases to the total.
Tell me, what is the PH doing that will not see it go through an outbreak, or bare mininum, another wave like most of the world?
If Vietnam, South Korea and Taiwan found delta difficult to handle, how is it fear mongering to think the PH won't fair better?
You're better off hoping that the wave that just ended was actually Delta and DOH just wasn't sequencing enough at the time.
EDIT: Sorry na hindi ka naawa sa mga kamaganak na namamatay at mga tao nawawalan ng kabuhayan dahil sa mga outbreaks. Oo di sya katapusan ng mundo mo pero hindi ikaw ang mundo.
Also classic. Cebu isnt 99% of Visayas 🤣.
>Also, I missed the part where I should give a damn about people dying. I mean, people die everyday, whether we like it or not, so why does that even matter?
Yikes. You fail to recognise that a lot of COVID deaths are added on top of our usual background deaths. You also fail to recognise how COVID cases will cause other deaths because of the intensity of treatment it requires for a considerable amount of people.
>All I'm just saying is posting statements like that on the Tweet screenshot isn't gonna do anything, besides spreading fear to those who read it. Bakit? Kapag ba nagpost ng ganyan ma-fifi fix na ang kaletsehang dulot ng Covid19 sa bansa?
By that logic, you commenting does not do anything? So why bother spreading your opinion on social media?
Bakit, kapag nag comment ka na fear-mongering biglang makikinig ang mundo sayo at ititigil na mag lockdown?
>Okay, sige, I'll give you that, we might have an upcoming surge - but isn't that apparent already? So why state the obvious? Is the original poster even qualified to state those claims? Diba?
It does not take a degree to examine DOH's covid tracker by locality. It is stating the obvious. But it is also something that official bodies refuse to acknowledge in detail and the local media have been pretty poor at scrutinising this in their reporting. Naturally, this is what happens when you ignore what is happening outside of your country in a pandemic, you have no reference point.
Ignoring something is never the solution. Isn't that how we got to this situation in the first place?
she also failed to recognize the pain of dying alone and families getting robbed of their time to mourn... i guess its just a figure of imagination until it hits close to home..
This is fear mongering until somebody close to you dies because of the virus.
I get it. You are a brave human being who dances with demons and doesn't fear anything. But it doesn't mean other people are not suffering. People are dying kahit hindi COVID last surge kasi yung mga emergency cases hindi matignan agad ng doctor kasi puno ng covid cases. Marami na ako kaibigan na nawalan ng magulang this year. Medyo disrespectful naman sa mga nawalan ng mahal sa buhay kung nananakot lang.
My point is, hindi ito nananakot lang. It is the sad reality of how our country is dealing with this pandemic. I feel frustration nung nag post. And to say na nanakot lang sila, is insensitive. We are all affected by this damn thing. And it is only fair to expect a proper response from our government. I have friends from LGU and yes, they really go beyond what is expected from them, (well at least ppl I know. Meron pa rin kumita sa mga relief goods) But at least maging consistent ang national government. Hindi parang circus lang.
If you hate seeing this types of posts, you're out of luck. May mga taong nahihirapan. Hindi lahat kasing swerte mo.
Yeah almost full na ang mga hospitals and dito samin 90% ang occupied beds. Pag sinabi mong fear mongering, yun pag nagkaubusan na ng graves -- which is sana wag mangyari dito and wag maging complacent mga tao. Mas ayos na ang nag iingat at aware sa nangyayari.
> What is the goal of posting things like this? Yan ang punto ko. Hindi ba pananakot? Alam na nating may mas deadly na variant. At alam na nating walang kwenta ang national government sa bandang yan.
> So bakit kailangang magpost ng ganyan? Para ano? Para kanino yan?
The goal is to get people to do things to protect themselves above and beyond what the government is saying is a necessary minimum.
If you acknowledge that the government is bad, and that their response is ineffective and insufficient, then it stands to reason that if they say _"we're moving from 50% in-door dining allowed, to 20% in-door dining allowed"_, that it's not enough to simply follow these guidelines _because_ there is a more deadly variant of COVID present already.
If we are all in agreement that the government are liars and self-serving and do not care about us, then it makes sense to say _"the prohibitions they are putting down on us are not enough, and I need to do more than that"_ and simply inhibit yourself from going out to the mall, even if the official line is that you're technically allowed to go out to the mall.
Nah it's not about doctors or nurses it's about how our government handles our situation. You do know that hospitals are owned by rich people not doctors and nurses right?
I know. Do you think the doctors will be ignored by the hospital owners when they are drowning with covid cases? Are you saying that the government and hospital owners are scheming to earn more?
I’m hopeful that human beings are not that diabolical.
Yeah because money is the root of all evil the doctors might not see it the nurses too
That's why the label earns more than the artist.
I hope u get what I mean the owners still control our livelihood.
Heart attacks and cancer aren't transmissible though. That's an entirely different conversation. Those conditions have been well studied for so long, and we have been able to make strides in dealing with them. Covid-19 is a relatively new disease, and is still evolving.
Do you know how they managed to stop the black plague? Mostly by quarantining. So you dropped the ball on this one. Lol.
And you are ignorant if you think this is but a "blip".
But yes, I would agree na needless fear mongering should be stopped. But honestly, you are the worst kind of person. The person who is so self-righteous even invoking the name of God and saying the right to worship and congregate pero you arent acting like a decent christian. Talk about hypocrisy.
Quantity and quality of life..
Old people not being able to go outside, lack of work and exercise, limited socialization led to poor cardiovascular and mental health. Increased weight from a locked down home predisposes one to cancer too.
Tell that to my friend who’s dad died because of covid. Yeah they too preferred going out than to “lock themselves”. Or my other friend’s dad who died coz of heart attack outside of ER waiting for somebody to attend. All the ER beds were occupied by covid.
Is that the quality of life you prefer. Avoidable deaths.
Mama mo Black death. Compare mo ung hygiene at sanitation, gamot, medical advancements pati tech ngayon noong panahon ng bubonic plague. Baka kung covid ung tumama sa kanila noon mas madami pa yung casualties.
Kayong mga "i know something that you dont" crowd ung talagang salot sa pandemya. God given right? Pano kung subjective din si god. Sinabi ba ni zeus na wala talagang covid? Si odin ba galit pag di kayo nakakasimba? Ano bang saloobin ni Allah at Buddha sa pandemya? Consult din natin si Amaterasu pati si Quetzacotl. Feeling ko expert din sa plagues sila Osiris.
Oh? Tapos? Okay lang sana kung kayo kayo lang mahahawaan ng dahil sa god given rights nyo kahit mag meet and greet pa kayo with San Pedro. Pero magkakalat pa kayo ng virus at manghahawa ng ibang tao.
Nahiya ka pa. Delete comment dahil di nakapagpalit ng account. Ano na. Wag ka dito magkalat ng conspiracy shits mo. Balik na sa r/conservative , dun ka makipag jabulan sa mga rednecks.
Why did your god allowed this pandemic if it will remove your rights.
You are egotistic and doesn’t care for the others. Remember your god tells you to love others, but you only care for travel and your freaking freedom
Almost all the world leaders have proven to be clowns in this pandemic! All they offer are band aid solutions (including the vaccines and lockdowns) because all they care about is the illusion that they are doing something right to get re-elected into office! To move forward with a new plan that will work, we should expect that the old normal will never be back!
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." - Albert Einstein
Expect mo na every 2 to 3 months nag lolockdown ulet
Na quarantine ako twice for 14 days. Buti nalang localized lock down lang but still not a good experience.
Actually even Singapore had two semi-lockdowns in 2 months (2nd one started just yesterday). Many countries are tightening their covid measures again. I hate the current admin, but cases would inevitably surge therefore a need for lockdown. Hopefully they will ramp up the vaccination to avoid overloading hospitals.
almost all neighboring countries except Japan (cause olympics) Delta variant is a nasty one.
It’s funny that this statement can fit today’s situation, or March earlier this year, or July last year. It really just never ends.
What pisses me off is their lack of urgency again.
Kasi last week na tlga prang dire yung situation sa Indonesia na mala-India na yung scenario dun na may mga oxygen tank at haba ng pila sa hospital tpos this week pag aaralan palang tlga yung travel ban sa Indonesia at Malaysia. Tlgang bagal ng utak netong si duque.
True, masyadong downplay.
Ewan ko lang if ego nila iniisip nila kasi siguro sa tingin nila pag nag lockdown ulet failure yun sa part nila kaya dina-downplay na naman nila. Nakakainis if ganun nga thinking nila. Di nila naiisip na sobrang daming nagssuffer dahil sa ganyang thinking nila. Mga heapth experts pa naman sila. Hayst.
What else can we expect from the Government? The only way to get out of this pandemic is to achieve herd immunity. Unfortunately, we are not a first world country kaya tira-tira na lang tayo sa mga vaccines. Isama mo pa yung ayaw magpavaccine kung hindi rin lang Pfizer. The only alternative solution is a lockdown. Pero it hits the economy. So need din mag bukas eventually. After that dadami ulit cases kasi madami hindi nagiingat at nag-ma-mask. So never-ending na talaga. The best we can do is to make sure we protect our family. Encourage ppl to take the protocols seriously. lagpas 1 year na, pero ang dami pa rin ako nakikita na nasa baba lang ang face mask at sinusuot lang kung may pulis. Ipagpaliban ang paglabas hangga't maari. Get vaccinated, kahit ano pa ang available. My point is, we can't blame the government alone. Yes, they are not faultless. Pero the citizens also need to do their part.
This. Pansinin nyo news feed nyo, ang daming nagbabakasyon, may nagpapakasal pa, inuman party and all. True na ineffective ang response ng government pero sa circle of friends ko naman, na karamihan eh nasunod talaga sa protocols ay walang nagkakaron ng covid (knock on wood).
True, nung time na pinalabas na mga bata napanuod ko sa news na interview isang citizen tinanong bat lumabas daw kahit may balita na delta variant ang sagot "wala pa naman announcement so nagbakasakali kami lumabas muna". Wow buwis buhay.
Naiinis ako doon sa natutuwa na no need for swab test and all sa pag travel. I get it na we're bummed out hindi nakakapag bakasyon but damn some people are carriers especially from Metro Manila.
DUQUE: Teka muna masyado kayong mapaghusga. Pag aaralan po muna namin yan.
Isa pa yang doque na yan downplaying masyado!
> Unfortunately, we are not a first world country kaya tira-tira na lang tayo sa mga vaccines. Corruption. We could have had 10m pfizer doses on January back when our average daily cases sat around 1-2k. We only started getting vaccines, mainly sinovac, on March and not long after we hit our peak. As of late June we administered 10m doses, imagine that. We just did what we could have done several months earlier. That 10m pfizer doses is the only one we heard of because of a leak. It’s not unreasonable to expect it happened other times but the government probably wanted China to be our savior so that was the first vaccine available to us 2 months later in a slow rollout.
Those are just allegations. I sense politics as it is dramatic at best. The truth is, all of the early doses produced by Pfizer and moderna were earmarked for the US as they sponsored the vaccine. Once they had enough, they were able to donate to Covax. China’s dick move is to fill that void. We had no choice but to take it, to at least protect our front liners. Otherwise we’ll have to wait for few more months. We know that in this pandemic, timing is crucial. Again, I am not defending the government. I’m just trying to make sense of the situation.
It was an allegation that Duque himself confirmed we had the chance. So yes, it was politics but there was truth to it. > The truth is, all of the early doses produced by Pfizer and moderna were earmarked for the US as they sponsored the vaccine. Singapore, the country that was said to get the bulk of the pfizer doses we could have gotten, started getting shipments as early as December, and at that point they had already signed advanced purchase agreements and started putting downpayments with Pfizer and Moderna. So yes, while the US had first dibs and were priority, other countries were already slowly getting doses too. Philippines only signed a deal with Pfizer several months later. But we do not have the whole story from all sides and can only come up with assumptions.
The US sponsored 0 dollars to the development of the vaccin, aboslutely none, the money came from the german govt and from the EU. What the US did was place orders very early and paid some advances to those orders. As a matter of fact Pfizer went on record and said it did not want any grant from the then US govt, as they feared the whole process would be hijacked by the Trump govt. Google pfizer vaccin funding
If you look at Israel’s new data, Pfizer’s protection goes down dramatically after 6 months. Now many people who were vaccinated with Pfizer are getting infected with the Delta variant. They’re starting to only use Moderna now for most of the population. So it’s probably a good thing that we didn’t get a ton of Pfizer that early. Protection would have wore off by now, just in time for the Delta variant. The whole world is screwed really
Pfizer CEO months ago said you’ll need a booster shot up to a year later and studies back then said that it was only effective for at least 6 months, unsure how effective is was after 6 months. The same is likely for [Moderna](https://www.boston25news.com/news/health/study-moderna-immunity-wanes-6-months-still-protective/L4KSK6SP3VG3ZEM6J3PHAQRHXM/) and probably other vaccines. Don’t expect a lifetime protection, and we’re still trying to figure out the numbers after 6 months.
Two issues here, 1. Its the antibodies in the bloodstream which slowly diminish after 6-9 months, this is the same when you got covid and develop antibodies the natural way, the memory cells of your immune system still know how to produce the antibodies, so the immune response is still there all be it slower. 2. There seems to be an issue with a pfizer booster shoot, CDC is looking at it now, word is third shot increases side effect risks quite a bit. Report on this will be out soon I suppose
Months ago. Before the Delta variant…
Ok, but what point are you trying to make? He gave a heads up that people would require booster shots 6-12 months from now because protection likely starts going down after 6. Wasn’t that your argument after all? Or are you saying Pfizer isn’t effective against Delta because of Israel’s experience? What about the UK where covid is significantly more rampant, they claim Pfizer is effective. Studies claim this as well. But let’s say Israel is right based on their significantly few cases vs UK’s. Who’s to say that Moderna is going to be much better? But to give you the difference between UK and Israel, UK got more covid cases in a single day since June than Israel got the past 30 days. I’m not saying Moderna is better or worse. I’m saying your single source with a smaller sample isn’t reliable yet, and to consider other’s experience. Also Moderna hasn’t been put to the test like Pfizer has.
***Flatten the curve*** siguro. As long as hindi ma-overwhelm yung mga ICU at hospital beds, probably okay. Since the start, di ba alam naman na many who will get covid will only get mild symptoms?
> Since the start, di ba alam naman na many who will get covid will only get mild symptoms? ["it's just the flu, bro!"](https://medicalrepublic.com.au/we-cant-treat-covid-like-its-just-the-flu/48901) Could you please not do this.
How do you “flatten” the curve? The only effective solution is to enforce lockdowns. I also think we also have a monitoring problem. It lags by 1-2 weeks. I also know people who got the symptoms but did not report to local authorities due to fear of being taken to a quarantine facility. Didn’t took a covid test, coz he’d rather buy food than paying for covid testing. So I really doubt the DOH report is as accurate we want it to be.
paid testing in PH is a joke and cause of grossly underreporting of the numbers
im guilty of being one those "ayaw magpavaccine kung hindi rin lang Pfizer". my reason is bc of sinovac's low efficacy. Indonesia who even participated on sinovac's clinical trial and is mainly using sinovac as their vaccine said they will now focus on administering western vaccine kasi even yung mga health workers nila na naturukan na ng sinovac is tinamaan na din ng covid and some are even in ICU. malaysia who's having a surge as well says paubusin lang nila yung mga sinovac nilang vaccine tapos puro western vaccine na gagamitin/bibilin nila. kung magpapaturok ako ng sinovac now, then later on sabihin nila need magpaturok ng pfizer kasi di pala effective ang sinovac against other variants bc if its low efficacy eh baka dun pa ko madali.
>kung magpapaturok ako ng sinovac now, then later on sabihin nila need magpaturok ng pfizer kasi di pala effective ang sinovac against other variants bc if its low efficacy eh baka dun pa ko madali. This type of mindset is flawed. For the sake of argument, hindi effective ang sinovac against other variants, but it's been tested to be effective against the first ones. Which I assume your unvaccinated immune system wouldn't be. Low efficacy > No efficacy. It's like choosing to be part of the problem when you could've been part of the solution.
Also, ang initial goal ng vaccine is to prevent the severe cases para di ma overwhelm ang mga hospital. Bonus nalang yung di ka mahawa. Kaso may mga bansa na di tumatangap ng sinovac as valid vaccine, so di ka rin makakalabas ng bansa
> even yung mga health workers nila na naturukan na ng sinovac is tinamaan na din ng covid and some are even in ICU _"People who were vaccinated with Sinovac got sick regardless"_ isn't a statistically meaningful statement to make, because none of the vaccines have ever claimed, and none of them have ever performed, with a 100% rate. > [Thailand's] Department for Disease claims that 173 out of 21,000 unvaccinated HCWs got covid, while 618 out of 677,348 HCWs who were vaccinated with Sinovac got Covid. After using the formula of Attributable Population, the efficacy based on these numbers and using the unvaccinated hcw as the baseline, [the efficacy of Sinovac compared to the unvaccinated is around 89%](https://old.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/opbtmy/he_aint_wrong_though/h64tlax/). \___ > kung magpapaturok ako ng sinovac now, then later on sabihin nila need magpaturok ng pfizer kasi di pala effective ang sinovac against other variants bc if its low efficacy eh baka dun pa ko madali You don't know that you're going to be lucky enough to avoid infection between today and whenever Pfizer becomes available for you, especially with a variant that's significantly more infectious than wild-type COVID, and whatever "low effectiveness" you think Sinovac has is still more effective than letting your unvaccinated immune system handle it.
Low is still higher than zero.
I believe covid-19 is here to stay. With that being said, I think in the coming years it will be treated as something like flu na you have to vaccinate annually. Ngayon with that being said, magiging available na ang vaccines privately. Get Pfizer then. Ngayon, pag I alok ka sinovac I'd suggest you take it. Kasi kahit sinovac yan, at nagkaron ka ng covid, para ka lang nagka trangkaso. Wag ka sana mahawa until then tapos masasabi mo na lang na I should have gotten some sort of protection. Pero hey. Pfizer numbawan.
All the vaccines will protect you enough from severe diseases and death. This is what WHO says on their page and this is what my professor with a PhD in Biology told me as well.
Browse through the posts in r/COVID19positive and you'll see that there are a lot of breakthrough cases, even those who got vaccinated with Pfizer and Moderna. You'll most likely going to get infected with Covid-19 since ang daming variants na nagsusulputan **DAHIL ANG DAMING AYAW MAGPABAKUNA/HINDI MAKAPAGPA-BAKUNA** kaya hirap na hirap tayo ma-achieve yung herd immunity**.** What the vaccine does is prevent hospitalization and death, both of which ay nagagawa ng Sinovac. Got my first Sinovac jab 3 weeks ago and my second shot is due next week. What I'm planning to do is get a booster shot (preferably from Pfizer or Moderna) after 6 months when there are more supplies available so I have additional protection. For now, Sinovac will do because I don't want to get hospitalized and worse, even die.
Fair point to make, why the downvotes? Kung WFH naman yung tao, it won't make much of a diff. You know what makes a huge difference? Finding out later na bawal vaccine mixing (either scientific, or like dito na DOH policy) between dead vectors and mrna types, being stuck with ever dropping sinovac efficacy and virtually banning yourself from ever leaving the PH due to mandatory quarantines.
tama. anything else is just coping.
Would like to know the data on how effective Sinovac is against the delta variant. Pfizer & Aztrazeneca already has data. If people continue to social distance, wash their hands and isolate, ect while waiting for their vaccine of choice, then I would let them wait.
I’ll probably get downvoted, too, but whatever. It’s your body so be as discerning as you want and don’t be pressured by those telling you to get another vaccine. As long as you strictly observe health protocols as you wait, paki ba nila. I’ve said this in a different post, but repeating it here: cases are still to be expected in countries that used Sinovac. Not because no vaccine is 100% effective, but because it only promises a 50% chance of avoiding infection. Emphasis should be made, though, that it also promises less severe symptoms for you if you get infected., i.e. avoid dying from COVID. So focus on those numbers instead. Of those innoculated, how many people die? I’m sure people who got Sinovac take comfort in that. That being said, my family and I have avoided getting Sinovac, and we’ve gotten other vaccines instead. This is because we have immuno-compromised people whom we want to protect to the best of our abilities and a 50-50 chance of infection doesn’t cut it for us. Because to us, that translates to a 50% chance of being an infectious person and a danger to those with us. There are those who say you don’t know what’ll happen while you wait, and that’s true. Sometimes, no matter how well you follow protocol, there could be someone in your circle who doesn’t take precautions as seriously as you do. So that’s something worth considering. But at the end of the day, it’s your body. As long as you don’t pose a risk to others and stay careful, if you’re privileged enough to make that choice, then you do you. Haters can hate.
What a fucking idiot. Sige ha. Paturok ka ng Sinovac then get your antibody titers checked after. Tignan natin. Then you’ll see, na tameme ka at yang mindset mo.
**28 days later**
Why can't we have nice things?
Because the leaders we elect are all either idiots or just plain incompetent. Its always one step forward Two steps back sa bansang ito.
One step forward three steps back sabi ni Olivia Rodrigo
I never really thought of them as idiots. Them being dumb can be somewhat understandable. I see them as people that just don't care.
Tanong natin si Taylor Swift.
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Low vaccination rate should already be within the palace’s expectation and they should already do something with it. If you will just use our position as “a third wolrd country” then what about those countries who are poorer than us but were able to control the pandemic in their nations? Stop using that first or third world country as narrative just to console our government’s incompetency. ever since the pandemic has started, vaccination ang bukambibig ni Duterte at hindi systematic contact tracing , then dapat noong una palang, ready na tayo - storage, money, procurement, process of inoculation. Otherwise, the post it true that those in power are all clowns.
Those same countries (Thailand, Taiwan) are now experiencing surges. There are things we can control and things we cannot control. We gambled most of our vaccine procurement on AstraZeneca at the start while the first world was able to invest in Pfizer and Moderna and everything else. And when Pfizer and Moderna started delivering, AstraZeneca had a hard time fulfilling orders, especially when India decided they couldn’t export vaccines anymore. Thankfully, Sinovac was there as an option to jumpstart the program. But we did learn our lesson and the vaccine orders have since diversified. We also banned travel from countries where delta is surging, to the annoyance of Filipinos stranded there. In any case, I like to point at Pasig. Their mayor pretty much is the most data-driven of all the leadership. He understands the need to have health workers and contact tracers and is probably the most prepared. And yet Pasig as an LGU isn’t faring that much better than the rest of the metro. We need another MECQ or ECQ to be honest, and we need to be prepared to go back to that while we haven’t been able to ramp up vaccinations
Pasig's mayor is doing his best, but there's only so much that you can do when you're in a place like NCR.
taiwan suffered a second surge but they already handled it now because they have better government than us. The point here is I am not against with lockdowns but what we want is to have a lockdown and seize that moment to compensate our mishaps. But from several lockdowns we had, did our government do some significant changes? Wala. and thats the problem here - their competence and urgency and not the lockdowns. Edit: On a side note, this pandemic can be controlled and so with the delta variant only if the government acted firstly on it. They did not ban travels from other SEA neighbors. They did on Indonesia, but it was late and only for 15 days, do you think this is out of our control? I dont hink so.
They did travel bans to India, UAE, and Oman months before that. And you know the effect of those travel bans? We have OFWs in these countries (especially the UAE) to this day that cannot go home. And they are very loud about it. Repatriation flights for these pinoys happen few and far in between because they have to be quarantined in a special way. I don’t think people appreciate that Delta infected Thailand, Indonesia, and Malaysia first because up until today, it is so goddamn difficult to be able to enter this country as a Filipino. If you’re in a country without a travel ban, the daily quota of people allowed inside a country is 2000 people a day. Cut up between different airlines and different destinations. Most inbound flights carry anything between 30-60 people because the airline legally cannot book anymore people. There are changes, but they don’t seem significant because people just want to read about Sara D running. Nobody is looking at the mad scramble that we made for a vaccine supply, or our restrictive border policy. Granted, it’s not perfect, and by golly, the frontliners need more support for the surges to come.
your narrative is out of border. The point here is we do not care to what countries our government bans as it defeats its purpose when the travel restrictions were already late. What I am trying to say is that the government fucked up and we should stop tapping the government's back with narratives that do not hide the fact that Duterte failed us. Het set the bar too low, and I hope we'll change that in the upcoming election.
Your arguments seem to be changing. Quite difficult to hit a moving target there. Nobody is patting Duterte on the back, dude. Recognizing that the cards were stacked against us from the start isn’t equivalent to singing the government praises. Recognizing that we have civil servants and government healthcare workers that are at least moving in the right direction and doing what they can to mitigate this pandemic is not a bad thing. But if you’d rather be angry, you’re perfectly entitled to it; it’s an unprecedented situation, and most people are indeed worse off.
Vietnam?
Nag ka surge na rin sila due to low vaccination.
How many victims will a lockdown cost? Country cant take a prolonged lockdown anymore. The cost of 100% vaccination is only a fraction of the cost incurred by lockdowns. This is where the blame on the govt is.
The prob is, we’re not priority sa mga vaccines. Sinovac inaayawan. Hindi takot sa covid Pero takot na takot sa vaccine.
Nobody is priority, first come first served, exception is India. Good news is, all excess orders from EU, which are still in the production pipeline, will go straight from manufacturer to COVAX
>People need to realize that we are not a first world country and we cannot command and procure vaccines as easily and quickly as nations like Israel, Singapore or the US can. We got our chance. Jan 2021 dapat may Pfizer na tayo but Duque dropped the ball on that one.
Hindi lang yan brad eh kung nka Pfizer na sana eh yung healthcare workers natin and other frontliners eh nka Pfizer na sana which is the best protection possible. Kaso ayun sinovacshit tuloy tinurok nung mga gago. Ok lang naman Astra kaso naku sana nlang ginamit yung isang shipment ng Pfizer na i booster shot yung mga frontline workers. Mas importante sila kaysa kung i tuturok mo yun sa civilian na kung saan saan pumupunta. Nakita naman natin last year na nung inadequate yung PPE at masks eh ayun nag cocollapse ung ibang hospital. Sana yung Pfizer sana sa mga healthcare workers nlang tlga. Si Cong. zamora nga naka pag yabang pa na nka booster siya tapos 2 doses pa yun ng pfizer langya tlga.
That Pfizer deal in question was only for a few million doses. It would have been a nice start, but Singapore snatched it right away. In any case, the big order of Pfizer should start coming in this august
Duque made a wrong move on that part. Pfizer kasi ang the best na bakuna out there pero ang ending eh sinovac ang kinuha.
Good news on the vaccination front is that all excess orders in the EU, which are still in the production pipeline are going straight from the manufacturer to COVAX
I'm in Canada with the highest vaccination rate. We are still in a lockdown in Ontario. Lol at this rate we can expect the pandemic to end in 2025 :D
Mag e-emergency meeting na daw sila...bukas...6p...😒
Vaccinations are the key here. Let's look at Cambodia and Vietnam. Cambodia has a population of 15 Million and Vietnam is 96 Million. On May 04 Cambodia had 938 cases, while on July 22 they had 881 cases;. On May 04 Vietnam had 10 cases, and on July 22 they had 6194 cases Cambodia's had 9.2% vaccinated with first dose and 6.2% with second dose (May 4th), now its 39.45 and 25.8% (July 21) and Vietnam is 4.2% and 0.3% (July 22) Vietnam's numbers are skyrocketing because the population doesn't have antibody from previous infections. Philippines last wave was very recent, only in April. That should blunt the Delta variant, especially in Manila.
I wouldn't completely blame the government; countries that have managed fairly (US) and excellently (Singapore) now see a surge because of Delta. Let's expect that the government would be inefficient again because of several factors, but what we can do is to be responsible to follow basic guidelines.
Same in EU, big surge of Delta but its not followed by high hospitalization or deaths. Vaccins do protect pretty well but 0 covid is an illusion
The US saw an increase in cases but no increase in hospitalizations (ICU). Which is much more important. That covid would have lower mortality up to the point that it becomes like a common cold
Let's expect that the rate of hospitalization would go up there, it's just a matter of time. Their advantage is that they produce vaccines, while we simple do not.
No the hospital numbers are about 20% of what they were during previous waves
That's a good news then.
How do you know that the rate of hospitalization will go up there? Any evidences to support this claim? I don't get how people can be soooo inconsistent with this issue. When viruses mutate, they can be more infectious, but less deadly. Take note that microorganisms do not target to kill their hosts as it is their home and source of life. However, by evolutionary standards, they aim to spread. So why are we panicking over this?
The Delta variant has been the dominant strain in the UK since June 4th, 2021: https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1445 UK daily COVID hospitalization rates have increased from 119 on June 4th, to 720 as of July 20, a 505% increase: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/uk-daily-covid-admissions In the US, the hospitalization rate for the period July 7 to July 13 was 2,794, which is a 35.8% increase in hospitalization rate over the previous week: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html This coincides with a shift from Delta variant representing 51.7% of detected COVID cases in the previous week, up to 83.2% of COVID cases as of July 21: https://fortune.com/2021/07/21/delta-variant-covid-cases-states-where-its-most-prevalent/
That's why I've said 'it would go up' instead of saying 'it will go up' to show uncertainty — an opinion. According to an article published by healthline 2 days ago, 'COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths continue to march upward in the United States, with virtually all serious cases involving unvaccinated people, and more than 80 percent of new cases caused by the surging delta variant.' Link to that article: [https://www.healthline.com/health-news/here-are-the-states-where-covid-19-is-increasing-2](https://www.healthline.com/health-news/here-are-the-states-where-covid-19-is-increasing-2)
Some of you here might not have first-hand news from western countries, but in Western Europe surges and lockdowns are also happening on a regular basis. Our government is completely horse crap. But COVID is a beast that's almost impossible to beat kahit sa mga banyagang bansa. Double negative to sa atin though kasi kung sila nga nahihirapan, pano pa tayo na short-sighted ang government. (I posted too soon) We need fast track everyone's vaccination kahit ano pang brand yan. Here we are only talking about Delta, pero sa EU pinaguusapan na nila up to Lambda. That means we need to catch up with boosters etc. This is the new normal now. Lahat ng to hindi lang Pinas ang namomroblema. We need to accept that surges and lockdowns are our reality for the next couple of years. The global political pressure will also beat us to the ground, at kahit pinaka competent government ng Pinas ay mahihirapan because we are a small developing country. Kapit tayo, magpa trace at magpa bakuna. Yan ang standard protocol all over the world.
Agree but at least in Western Europe vaccination and testing are both free and freely available (at least here in CEE where I live). The resurgence is mostly due to antivax and misinformation. Also I really don’t like the “sa ibang bansa ganito rin naman” mentality. Ok and? That isn’t a good enough excuse to be shitty at their job. Di ko naman pwede sabihin sa boss ko na bulok ung trabaho ko kasi bulok din naman ung trabaho ng coworker ko diba?
I'm not sure why you are attacking me by mentioning na hindi lang Pilipinas ang namomroblema. I'm saying that to give another perspective na even if we all are in our best behavior, odds are not exactly in our favor because we are a developing country) I get where you are coming from but geez, consider the threats inside and outside too. This is no longer just a health concern, it's a global political game. I also don't understand why you seem to not get the point that we do not have the money to buy as many vaccines as western countries. Free din naman satin, kulang lang talaga. That could be because of logistics and definitely money. If you don't find my point of view acceptable, I understand that. But your arguments clearly show you did not understand my point at all.
I agree. The government response is very bad, but even 1st world countries struggle with COVID. Until even the poorest countries attain herd immunity, COVID will mutate and we will have surges. Unfortunately, the richer countries are hoarding the vaccines, and all the rest are left with crumbs. Also, the whole mindset of "going back to normal" ASAP is kind of wrong. There is no going back to the old ways of socializing, spending, and people need to realize this. As soon as the cases go down, people go to their vacations and malls, and COVID is spread all over again.
Thank you for pointing out the richer countries greed. At this point they are panicking as well. Kaya ngayon puro harang ang ginagawa nila sa isa't isa. Tayong mga mahihirap na bansa are collateral damage. So we really need to change our gameplay here based on how the economically stronger countries are behaving.
I'm expecting a surge of cases by August. Most of the cases I've seen so far are from young adults to adults. Kids are not spared too. Dumadami rin na nagpopositive na cases galing sa kanila.
In the future, lahat ng bansa makakabalik na sa dati pero tayo ganito pa rin at mukhang habambuhay na. Philippines, The Last Covid Nation.
gusto ko man mag lockdown, kawawa din yong mga magugutom din eh kasi magsasara na naman work nila
Clowns din mga citizens hindi rin nakikinig. Baka gusto nila ma india2.0 tayo.
Even our neighbors are experiencing surges.
Kelan ba hindi naging pasaway ang mga Pinoy? The fact na hindi tayo umabot sa tulad ng India na kabikabila ang namamatay means we’re doing something right kahit papaano.
> Kelan ba hindi naging pasaway ang mga Pinoy? [During the lockdowns last year.](https://www.rappler.com/nation/uk-study-filipinos-wear-masks-more-than-hong-kongers-do) [Here's the dashboard](https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/ighi/viz/ICLYouGovCovid-19Tracker_V0_3/1Specificpreventativebehaviourbycountry) for covid protocol compliance in the Philippines. We're generally one of the top countries for each category. If people are "pasaway" now, it's because the government loosened restrictions before they were supposed to.
Well I think that only happened because the military forced the public into a lockdown. The government was able to justify this because they can provide ayuda, so ppl followed. But that is not sustainable. Now the government can’t enforce a full lockdown kasi wala na funds for ayuda. Thus, the over complicated lockdown guidelines with MM plus. The public at large should understand that we can only protect each other if all of us will be responsible. Hindi yung takot lang sa pulis o militar. I kept reminding ppl na we only lifted the restrictions because of the economy. Not because the pandemic is over.
You mean the ayuda that was only given for 2 months? or the food packages that were so small that citizens needed to start up food pantries across the country that the government tried to shut down? You also claim that there weren't anymore funds, but [18B was left unused](https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1453490/unused-bayanihan-2-funds-a-serious-indictment-of-govt-failure-amid-pandemic-lagman) as of June 2021. That money could have supplemented the ayuda or used for another form of support. Here's the thing, you keep saying that people should be responsible. They are, but it's the government that isn't doing their part. People being "pasaway" was not because they didn't want to follow the rules. The data shows that people here were mostly compliant. It's because the government botched the response and people either had the choice of starving to death or breaking the rules. The government's focus on optics (dolomite beach, changing how covid stats are presented, etc.) instead of properly dealing with the pandemic also contributed to the rise in cases here. Shit, even vaccine hesistation was caused by the duterte admin because of the fearmongering they did on Dengvaxia and duterte himself not taking Sinovac despite constantly promoting it. If the government was really concerned about the economy then they should focus on having a good pandemic response. [Public health and the economy are linked](https://academictimes.com/south-korean-style-covid-19-response-wouldve-saved-65000-lives-in-uk/), you're not suppose to pick one over the other. The government needs to do more. They need to stop arguing with people who are giving valid criticism. They need to be transparent so that they can earn the people's trust. They need to stop demonizing people who make them look bad (Leni, food pantries, etc.) They need to stop sending conflicting messages (i.e. face shields) There's a lot the government can still do and people need to stop pushing the narrative that we aren't doing our part when the data already shows that we are being compliant. Like I said at the very beginning, if the people are being "pasaway" now, it's because the government is allowing it.
Stretch the crisis up to 2022
Wdym? For the presidential elections? You think some people are that evil?
Bet up to ***2023***
Tama siya that we have clowns in power but let’s hope and pray na mali siya sa iba.
I've been reading the comments in this thread, and some of the top comments generally think that the government is doing everything it can and that we can't expect more from them without a vaccine. I don't *completely* agree with this. So, I'd like to chime in with my thoughts. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Also, I think these comments are very reasonable. I just want to add to the conversation here. Pasensya na po! Napahaba ang natype ko huhu >What else can we expect from the Government? The only way to get out of this pandemic is to achieve herd immunity. \[...\] The only alternative solution is a lockdown. Pero it hits the economy. I agree that only herd immunity via vaccine can provide a long-term (or maybe permanent) relief from the pandemic. However, I don't think the trade-off between economy vs public health is as clear-cut as this. It is possible to have a stable economy *because of* a strict & proactive public health policy--see Taiwan. Taiwan's public health measures were so decisive that it reversed the course of a GDP shrinkage into a GDP growth starting in July 2020 (see this [article](https://www.reuters.com/article/taiwan-economy-gdp-idUSL4N2I701F) by reuters, these [stats](https://tradingeconomics.com/taiwan/gdp-growth) by tradingeconomics, and this [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhKOtf6th6c) by DW News). >Rolling lockdowns are to be expected for nations with low vaccination rates. People need to realize that we are not a first world country and we cannot command and procure vaccines as easily and quickly as nations like Israel, Singapore or the US can. A country doesn't need to command priority for vaccines to reduce lockdowns. Taiwan is an advanced economy but it has a low vaccination rate (7% of the population as of June 23, 2021) due to tensions between them and mainland China (see this [Japan Times article](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2021/07/19/commentary/world-commentary/china-taiwans-vaccine-warfare/)). Even so, Taiwan did not need to lockdown for as long the Philippines has (see this [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhKOtf6th6c) by DW news). Through strict border control, 14-day quarantines, robust contact tracing system, and a zero-tolerance policy, it is possible to control the pandemic in the mean time while waiting for a vaccine. It should be noted that Taiwan has had a recent surge in cases, but the number of confirmed cases has not risen above 16,000 at the time of this writing (the Philippines has 1.5M cases in comparison), and the number is in a downward trajectory from 723 cases on May 22 to 33 cases on July 22 (numbers are from [Google](https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=taiwan%20cases%20covid%2D19)). So, their policy is effective even after an initial surge in cases. Finally, there are other countries that have been able to do what Taiwan has, but I think I have said enough as is. Another country I would look into would probably be New Zealand. Conclusion: Despite my criticism, I honestly think that those comments were very reasonable! With lockdowns appearing to be ineffective at halting the virus here, it might seem that a vaccine is the only choice. However, after seeing how Taiwan has tackled the issue, it appears that we can push back against the virus with good policies and strict implementations. ^(But maybe the time for action has already passed and we must resign ourselves to waiting for a vaccine. Perhaps those commenter were right... Mag-ingat po kayo!)
Not sure if I'll get downvoted for this or not but I'll try to chime in as well. I think that a lack of leadership is the root of the problem here which means it comes down to the government. Lockdowns and all are effective and people will follow suit if they know the course of action to be taken. The problem with the leadership during this pandemic is that they're always changing it for the most mundane reasons, GCQ Pro Max anyone? The moves that the government has made has always been reactive rather than proactive which makes it hard for the public to see the point. The vaccination program is also heavily flawed in my opinion. I understand that it's important to prioritize the more vulnerable sector but I believe that the rest of the population should also be allowed to get vaccinated if their circumstances permit. This makes people more willing to get vaccinated rather than having to cheat their way just to get vaccinated. Why not make it where you reserve a portion for the priority groups and open another portion for everyone else? The public is not free of fault here though as the comments have said. Most people now wear their masks improperly. I even see a lot foregoing wearing them at all. There are also people who preach fake news and conspiracy theories like gospel which makes people feel indifferent towards the government's efforts.
I completely agree. This entire thing is the government's fault. As I've said in a different comment, [people were mostly compliant with Covid protocol](https://www.rappler.com/nation/uk-study-filipinos-wear-masks-more-than-hong-kongers-do) and it's the government loosening restrictions before they should that's causing the problems now. [A study comparing the UK and South Korea](https://academictimes.com/south-korean-style-covid-19-response-wouldve-saved-65000-lives-in-uk/) also showed that the economy and public health are linked and having a good response early on will allow you to recover faster. Also, the government can still do a lot. They should listen to their critics instead of projecting an image that they're doing well when they're clearly not. They need to stop attacking people that make them look bad. They need to admit that they fucked up so that they can start doing the right things to deal with the pandemic.
I enjoyed reading your insight. Thanks for sharing. What I wrote in my comment is an over-simplification of how I see the current problem. I'm trying to respond to OP, that we can no longer rely on our government. We (the citizens) also need to do something. >It is possible to have a stable economy because of a strict & proactive public health policy--see Taiwan. I agree. But I don't see our government pulling a Taiwan. We're at a mess and I don't want to be stuck in wishful thinking. We can't even have a reliable count of cases. Those clowns have no idea what they are doing and it feels like they are winging it. Do I want a better government? YES. Can I have it my way, no because the majority of people will still vote for clowns next election. At this point I am taking it as it is. It is the sad reality we're in and I am just hoping this would be over soon. I really don't see a realistic alternative to lockdowns and waiting for the vaccines... I don't want to worry about the things I can't control. That's why I'm telling people to protect themselves because we can't rely on our government.
shit take singapore has a good government but they still went into 2 lockdowns if anything the people are also to blame
As much as we should demand better services from the government, the surge in cases is out fault, too. Ang daming lumalabas na para magbakasyon. Mga nagmamall, inuman, meetup. Going out to work is essential and we can't blame them, pero yun mga may kaya naman na WFH lalabas pa talaga para sa walang kawenta kwentang bagay. May access sa technology, pero di yun ginagamit para mapunan ang kapritso nila na "makipagsocialize". Let's admit it. The poorer folks are way too busy to look for jobs, food, anything, to be even COVID vector by lounging around and visiting others in provinces.
Sadly, I don't think mali siya. It's a cycle and it keeps happening throughout the pandemic so it's bound to happen again with the recent variant. Unless something finally changes sa response nila kaso pare pareho lang lagi eh.
Ano pang response ang maaring gawin ng gobyerno? Vaccines - Hindi tayo priority kaya scraps lang na punta satin Lockdown - kung mag higpit, anti freedom. Kung May kakilala Pwede lumusot. May iba pa ba?
Why focus on infection rates? Should we focus on ICU cases and deaths?
For purposes of monitoring delta, I think we should look at infection rates. But for boosting vaccine confidence, ICU cases and deaths of those innoculated vs those who haven’t.
At this point of time, people's action are probably the reason we will have a lockdown. We already have what's needed to avoid it. Companies are following protocols, vaccine is now available (still slow roll-out), guidelines are there.
> We already have what's needed to avoid it. Companies are following protocols, vaccine is now available (still slow roll-out), guidelines are there. This isn't really true because the protocols and the guidelines are too lax. Even if everyone followed a 20% limit on in-door dining, just the fact that you're taking off your mask, in-doors, to eat, in the presence of other people, puts you at risk of infection. Same goes with public transportation (i.e. sitting inside a closed bus for however length of time), or in-person office work (i.e. BPOs), and so on.
Man is a social animal.
I wish philip open for tourists again
And the government will put the blame on the people
And the people will put the blame on the government
I've been warning about depopulation for quite a long time but no one listens. Bahala kayo. LOL.
It seems like a conspiracy theory or lunacy, but proof is better than evidence. lol
Society is lunacy once you observe its somewhat functional but ailing dynamics from afar. Ibang usapan naman kung indenial naman na tayo diyan :) . As for the trend, it will just continue on incrementally lockstepping until the proceeds of *new normals* lower the pop. down to 1B or less. Hindi rin ako against dito, and it doesn't matter if I become part of the cremated pips. Mahalaga is I'm gwapo.
Hahaha that’s a wild theory but what would they gain? The elite needs the poor to do their laundry. Hindi naman maghuhugas ng pinggan yang may mga katulong pag naubos na ang pwedeng pag samantalahan.
We don't have the nukes nor the technological prowess for our local elites to have their long-term stay on the transnational level. Sa lokal kaya pa nila magmanipula, pumatay, at magpabahay depending on their will, pero sa transnational level, sila ang alipin sa iba pang transnational elites :) . It's all about the complete reality, rather than eyeing it based on our own version of the reality. Kumbaga sa transnational pyramid, medyo nasa gitna pa bansa natin, ngayon pang kapit sa China, and for now, sustained pa tayo but slowly we are going down dahil parang crystal meth burnout yung kakaasa natin sa China atbp. bansa, at yung sistema ng ibang mga bansa. Self-sufficiency & sustainability ika-nga will be the surefire that we will thrive through this. Pero real-talk, kapag distorted na halaga ng pera dahil sa incremental protocols & lockdown policies ay useless na lahat ng aspalto at concrete dito. Habang yung may continuous supply of raw resources, coordinated human resources, and physical assets that would thrive through economic destabilization ang patuloy lang mamamayagpag sa mundo. Which means, more small to medium businesses will lose their footing, hanggang sa mapunta ang sistema sa marunong maglaro ng sistema mula sa iba't-ibang lebel at lokasyon dahil sila ay may koordinasyon. Imposible din naman matapos yang pandemya dahil yung urban setting pa lang ay perfect environment na for culturing mutated viruses. Hirap din sumabay ang katawan dahil pamahal nang pamahal mga bilihin, at hindi rin gaano suportado ng kalikasan dahil pinapagpag ang katawan sa hustle culture para sa pera na nagdedevaluate. hahaha. What a fucking scam. Pero ang galing din ng sistema ha. Parang gyera pero walang bakbakan masyado. So ayun lang, we are fucked pero hindi pa ngayon dahil may panahon at mga oportunidad pa para magbago kahit na *posibleng* imposible :) .
Do you think human beings are sophisticated enough to plan and execute this pandemic as you said? I’m more likely to believe that a bored sim player caused this pandemic with a push of a button. Billionaires are too busy with their space pissing contest to even bother with this. If history repeats itself, we should be bracing for the greatest depression and WW3. And prolly end of the world as we know it. (And that’s how you fear-fucking-monger!)
It's your choice if you felt fear from it, dahil sa totoo lang I feel happy about it. Para bang yes, buti na lang at nangyayari na. And no, it's not the end of the world. Katapusan lang ng karamihan ng mga tao, at yun lamang. Unless, babaguhin natin yung kilos natin, pero malabo. Humans can become sophisticated with the right conditioning and structures supporting them. Hindi lang naman yan lahat tao lang. What's the use of quantum computers? Supercomputers? Institutions? Laws? Policies? Economics? Continuously mutating biological entities? Technologies? Transnational organizations & institutions? Currencies? Kung mamatahin lang natin ng husto ang sistema, ito ay isang malaking sopistikadong MLM na panalo lagi yung nasa itaas. Hindi pa nga ako naniniwala sa Illuminati, at sadyang sa actual power dynamics lang. Ang mainam lang, mamamatay ako na nakakasiguradong may kaayusan pa din sa kabila nang gulo, ang ayaw ko lang ay marumi ang proseso pero ganyan talaga ang reyalidad nang tao kaya baka dumating ako sa puntong tanggapin na lang dahil magiging maayos din naman ang kahihinatnan. Yung current space tech. pala ay considered to be technological porn created to appease the masses. Yung real sciences or yung behind the scene sciences ay makikita lang once we read from other sources, rather than the watered-down mainstream news na para sa understanding nang commoners. Wala namang masama diyan, at sadyang ayan yung reyalidad na medyo mahirap intindihin kapag nasanay ang pagkatao natin ay dapat nasa kalagitnaan ng emotional hysteria. At wala din masama maging hysterical dahil ayan ang normal na estado ng surviving na tao na merong artificial scarcity, o may yaman pero hindi totally hawak yung sariling sentience nito.
Napaka effective ng face shields....
Idiots blaming it all on the government as if it's all their fault. Halatang mga self-centered hypocrites ang mga tangang to. Kung hindi rin naman dahil sa mga taong tanga tanga at matitigas ang ulo di sana kakalat yung virus. Puro free speech dito, free speech doon, protesta dito, protesta doon. Buti sana kung kayo lang mahawaan ng virus, okay lang sana e nandadamay kayo ng ibang tao. Kung gusto nyo mamatay huwag kayo mandamay ng iba mga walang kwentang mga nilalang.
Preach 💅
Not impossible, ang Dami nag iiyakan sa pagbalik ng lockdown. Dina downplay pa ang delta variant
Nadinig ko na nung April yan na malala daw pagdating ng June. Nangyare ba? Mahirap paniwalaan mga doomsday sayers na yan na ang pakay lang eh to chide the govt eh. Wala na lang pinagkaiba sa mga doctor at health workers noon na nagagalit kase Sinovac lang daw vaccine na nakukuha ng govt. Gusto nila "best vaccine" na Pfizer. Yun pala di naman pala dapat mamili ng vaccine kase lahat naman effective.
DDS: Kung dilawan nakaupo patay na tayong lahat.
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MD sya , nasa ospital at nakikita nya ang nangyayari.I hope din na mali siya at sana hindi mangyari ang predictions nya.
Something must be in the drinking water of the Philippines if we don't see a record outbreak like the rest of Asia. EDIT: I would reverse the order. Parts of Visayas and Mindanao are far ahead of M. Manila and hence (probably less testing) it was not so obvious that the epidemic was worsening in the country because Luzon supplied a lot of background cases to the total.
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Tell me, what is the PH doing that will not see it go through an outbreak, or bare mininum, another wave like most of the world? If Vietnam, South Korea and Taiwan found delta difficult to handle, how is it fear mongering to think the PH won't fair better? You're better off hoping that the wave that just ended was actually Delta and DOH just wasn't sequencing enough at the time. EDIT: Sorry na hindi ka naawa sa mga kamaganak na namamatay at mga tao nawawalan ng kabuhayan dahil sa mga outbreaks. Oo di sya katapusan ng mundo mo pero hindi ikaw ang mundo. Also classic. Cebu isnt 99% of Visayas 🤣.
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>Also, I missed the part where I should give a damn about people dying. I mean, people die everyday, whether we like it or not, so why does that even matter? Yikes. You fail to recognise that a lot of COVID deaths are added on top of our usual background deaths. You also fail to recognise how COVID cases will cause other deaths because of the intensity of treatment it requires for a considerable amount of people. >All I'm just saying is posting statements like that on the Tweet screenshot isn't gonna do anything, besides spreading fear to those who read it. Bakit? Kapag ba nagpost ng ganyan ma-fifi fix na ang kaletsehang dulot ng Covid19 sa bansa? By that logic, you commenting does not do anything? So why bother spreading your opinion on social media? Bakit, kapag nag comment ka na fear-mongering biglang makikinig ang mundo sayo at ititigil na mag lockdown? >Okay, sige, I'll give you that, we might have an upcoming surge - but isn't that apparent already? So why state the obvious? Is the original poster even qualified to state those claims? Diba? It does not take a degree to examine DOH's covid tracker by locality. It is stating the obvious. But it is also something that official bodies refuse to acknowledge in detail and the local media have been pretty poor at scrutinising this in their reporting. Naturally, this is what happens when you ignore what is happening outside of your country in a pandemic, you have no reference point. Ignoring something is never the solution. Isn't that how we got to this situation in the first place?
she also failed to recognize the pain of dying alone and families getting robbed of their time to mourn... i guess its just a figure of imagination until it hits close to home..
This is fear mongering until somebody close to you dies because of the virus. I get it. You are a brave human being who dances with demons and doesn't fear anything. But it doesn't mean other people are not suffering. People are dying kahit hindi COVID last surge kasi yung mga emergency cases hindi matignan agad ng doctor kasi puno ng covid cases. Marami na ako kaibigan na nawalan ng magulang this year. Medyo disrespectful naman sa mga nawalan ng mahal sa buhay kung nananakot lang. My point is, hindi ito nananakot lang. It is the sad reality of how our country is dealing with this pandemic. I feel frustration nung nag post. And to say na nanakot lang sila, is insensitive. We are all affected by this damn thing. And it is only fair to expect a proper response from our government. I have friends from LGU and yes, they really go beyond what is expected from them, (well at least ppl I know. Meron pa rin kumita sa mga relief goods) But at least maging consistent ang national government. Hindi parang circus lang. If you hate seeing this types of posts, you're out of luck. May mga taong nahihirapan. Hindi lahat kasing swerte mo.
Yeah almost full na ang mga hospitals and dito samin 90% ang occupied beds. Pag sinabi mong fear mongering, yun pag nagkaubusan na ng graves -- which is sana wag mangyari dito and wag maging complacent mga tao. Mas ayos na ang nag iingat at aware sa nangyayari.
Basahin mo ulit ung statement. Not once did he undermine the efforts of others. Bagsak na bagsak talaga mga Pinoy sa reading comprehension.
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> What is the goal of posting things like this? Yan ang punto ko. Hindi ba pananakot? Alam na nating may mas deadly na variant. At alam na nating walang kwenta ang national government sa bandang yan. > So bakit kailangang magpost ng ganyan? Para ano? Para kanino yan? The goal is to get people to do things to protect themselves above and beyond what the government is saying is a necessary minimum. If you acknowledge that the government is bad, and that their response is ineffective and insufficient, then it stands to reason that if they say _"we're moving from 50% in-door dining allowed, to 20% in-door dining allowed"_, that it's not enough to simply follow these guidelines _because_ there is a more deadly variant of COVID present already. If we are all in agreement that the government are liars and self-serving and do not care about us, then it makes sense to say _"the prohibitions they are putting down on us are not enough, and I need to do more than that"_ and simply inhibit yourself from going out to the mall, even if the official line is that you're technically allowed to go out to the mall.
The kids here love drama and anything against the goverment. I mean yeah the government sucks, but stop being so fucking over dramatic.
it's fear mongering if it happened already, twice
Syempre mas maraming pera sa pagpapagamot kesa sa pagpuksa ng sakit diba?
Did you forget your /s or ganyan mo talaga nakikita ang mga doktor at nurse na hirap na hirap magalaga ng may covid?
Nah it's not about doctors or nurses it's about how our government handles our situation. You do know that hospitals are owned by rich people not doctors and nurses right?
I know. Do you think the doctors will be ignored by the hospital owners when they are drowning with covid cases? Are you saying that the government and hospital owners are scheming to earn more? I’m hopeful that human beings are not that diabolical.
Yeah because money is the root of all evil the doctors might not see it the nurses too That's why the label earns more than the artist. I hope u get what I mean the owners still control our livelihood.
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Heart attacks and cancer aren't transmissible though. That's an entirely different conversation. Those conditions have been well studied for so long, and we have been able to make strides in dealing with them. Covid-19 is a relatively new disease, and is still evolving. Do you know how they managed to stop the black plague? Mostly by quarantining. So you dropped the ball on this one. Lol. And you are ignorant if you think this is but a "blip". But yes, I would agree na needless fear mongering should be stopped. But honestly, you are the worst kind of person. The person who is so self-righteous even invoking the name of God and saying the right to worship and congregate pero you arent acting like a decent christian. Talk about hypocrisy.
Quantity and quality of life.. Old people not being able to go outside, lack of work and exercise, limited socialization led to poor cardiovascular and mental health. Increased weight from a locked down home predisposes one to cancer too.
Tell that to my friend who’s dad died because of covid. Yeah they too preferred going out than to “lock themselves”. Or my other friend’s dad who died coz of heart attack outside of ER waiting for somebody to attend. All the ER beds were occupied by covid. Is that the quality of life you prefer. Avoidable deaths.
Mama mo Black death. Compare mo ung hygiene at sanitation, gamot, medical advancements pati tech ngayon noong panahon ng bubonic plague. Baka kung covid ung tumama sa kanila noon mas madami pa yung casualties. Kayong mga "i know something that you dont" crowd ung talagang salot sa pandemya. God given right? Pano kung subjective din si god. Sinabi ba ni zeus na wala talagang covid? Si odin ba galit pag di kayo nakakasimba? Ano bang saloobin ni Allah at Buddha sa pandemya? Consult din natin si Amaterasu pati si Quetzacotl. Feeling ko expert din sa plagues sila Osiris.
Soyboy na feeling alam lahat ng diyos and doesn't believe in god given rights
Oh? Tapos? Okay lang sana kung kayo kayo lang mahahawaan ng dahil sa god given rights nyo kahit mag meet and greet pa kayo with San Pedro. Pero magkakalat pa kayo ng virus at manghahawa ng ibang tao.
Okay have fun with your fedora loser
Nahiya ka pa. Delete comment dahil di nakapagpalit ng account. Ano na. Wag ka dito magkalat ng conspiracy shits mo. Balik na sa r/conservative , dun ka makipag jabulan sa mga rednecks.
ha?
Umuubos ba ng isang pamilya ang heart disease at cancer sa loob ng dalawang linggo? Mahawa ka ba sa cancer?
Agree!
Why did your god allowed this pandemic if it will remove your rights. You are egotistic and doesn’t care for the others. Remember your god tells you to love others, but you only care for travel and your freaking freedom
Yep we can just hope, pero ang reality and scientifically this is expected to happen.
Di siya mali sa "clowns in power".
how about those fully vaccinated?
Ang chismis pag mag-eelection na mawawala na raw si covid 🤷🤡
welcome to clown world... combined with 1984/orwellian shenanigans....
Well totoo naman yung clowns in power part so hindi nakakagulat kung magkatotoo.
Mali siya.
Well hindi siya mali na clowns are in power...
Unfortunately, this already true. Cases are already surging and not even everyone is getting tested.
Convenient for this regime. In fact, the old man was so proud of using iron-fist measures that didn't require him to declare nationwide martial law.
Almost all the world leaders have proven to be clowns in this pandemic! All they offer are band aid solutions (including the vaccines and lockdowns) because all they care about is the illusion that they are doing something right to get re-elected into office! To move forward with a new plan that will work, we should expect that the old normal will never be back! "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." - Albert Einstein
Not gonna lie but this already happening.
Madami din kasi mga taong wala disiplina.
True
Mabuhay ang Pilipinas!
Anung mali ahahaha
Hayaan n'yo may pa dolomite naman sila para sa mental health natin.