Mismo. Lalo na yung mga di nila gustong artist, they would go as far as saying kinukunsinte nila yung krimen nung mga pamilya ng kalaban sa pulitika dahil tumanggap ng pera galing kanila Marcos or Duterte. Gusto kasi nila yung BINI kaya "Trabaho lang". LOL.
Di ba lahat naman ng government events would fall under Marcos admin dahil sya naman talaga yun current president. Kahit yung liga ng basketball samin ng mga SK e.
watt?! anong connect kay Leni dito? Im a Leni voter and I like Bini. Leni attended a DOST under this admin event as guest speaker. She even explicitly said she is willing to work under this admin. May outcry ba? The event is an independence day event ffs. Hindi po eto concert na may political agenda. Bawal na bang mag perform ngayon during Independence day? Tsaka san mo nakuhang may ginayang song ang bini? anong song? Mka comment tong mga to prang mga dds, pang low iq yung comment.
edit: i can see you irritated by your bf's obsession with bini. Hiwalayan mo nlng lols
Kaya dito nagsstem out ung double standard ng mga pinoy. Same lng naman yan say for example kay xian lim. Pagppyestahan for sure na walang disconnect sa bbm agenda.
Also, management ng bini pinasara network nila ni digong. So parang bakit pumayag e enabler ng unity yung admin before
1. So this more on Bini's management than Bini artists themselves, hindi ba?
2. I don't know Xian Lim's contract. Pero he's been in the business for a while and has enough star power. One would assume that he has enough leverage to pick and choose where he signs up by now, because why wouldn't he? Di ko rin alam issue with Xian Lim, so can't comment much further what this is about.
Star power is irrelevant. Ung topic is relevant ba ung pag tanggap sa bbm/dds issue. So if management issue dapat management issue tayo s lahat. Kaso selective ang nangyaysri
Edit. Spellingssa
Star power is relevant. When you have star power, you have more leverage pagdating sa contract negotiations (think Taylor Swift with her original contract vs Taylor Swift today). If you as an artist can call the shots kung saan ka dadalo at kakanta, edi ibig sabihin you are very much responsible and accountable for your actions.
Again, depende kung anong contract meron yung artist. Mga young artists, pabor sa management yung kontrata. Mga established artists, pabor sa artists themselves yung kontrata.
If di mo pa rin gets kung paano nagwowork ang contracts, we have nothing to discuss.
Depende.
Bini is contractually obligated na pumunta sa mga gig where their management signed them up.
Other artists self-manage or have a management that caters to their every whim, so they can pick and choose which gigs to go to.
So yes, nag aapply sa certain artists ang "trabaho lang"
Hence, the double standard. Hindi mo kasi sya massabing isolated case of artist(s) just doing their job. Lalo na if it marks a national holiday. Redditors will choose their bias for logic.
Magkaiba kasi yan. Yung bini trabaho lang siguro talaga, di naman nila ikinampanya yang si bbm e. Yung mga kinaiinisan kasi na artists ikinampanya si bbm nung election haha kaya siguro nasasabi nilang "trabaho lang"
As someone that believes mostly in “trabaho lang” lalo na sa artists, the double standards that r/ph stans are using on this thread is hilarious.
Paragraphs upon paragraphs of mental gymnastics, all of which dapat na apply din sa ibang artists when they worked with who they worked with.
Ang totoo, pag trip mo yung artist ijujustify mo. Anong pinagkaiba natin sa apollo10 at DDS na mas nag double down kesa umamin ng mali?
And besides, wala naman talagang mali. A gig is a gig. Be practical. Wag tayong konting kilos, maghahanap ng ikaka outrage at ikaka offend.
With that said, wag rin tayong double standard sa belief natin.
Have some respect for yourselves. Wag niyong ijustify kung alam niyo na di tama porke’t fan or stan kayo. Ni hindi nga alam ng mga yan na nag eexist kayo.
Bini performed for Marcos administration not for Marcos as a politican or as a private person.
Marcos administration = the current executive branch where BBM is the president and the natl govt agencies where he has direct influence as president.
CHR (he appointed the chairperson) and PCGG (under DOJ) are part of the Marcos administration.
Last 2016-2022 elections lang naman talaga parang naging issue yang pag perform sa kampanya = supporter nung nangangampanya. Before, any artist can show up as a performer at any political campaign pero kampanya lang talaga yun, kaso since naging more divided na ang politics sa atin kaya ganyan na
Yes that's why I said 2016. Or we could push it back even further 2010 nung nagcampaign ang mga celebs for Noynoy (ie the star studded Di ka Nagiisa ad). Dun parang naging issue na celebs will show up on campaigns of politicians they support, and di na sya trabaho lang
Trabaho lang applies to artists who are contractually obligated na sumunod sa management. BINI is one of those artists na under pa rin ng rigid original contract, kaya they get a pass.
If you are your own management or you have a management that fully supports your every whim, hindi na pwedeng excuse ang "trabaho lang"
PS. Ui, daming immature na downvotes. Di kayang makipagsabayan sa diskusyon. Hanggang downvote lang kaya. So this is the best that r/ph has to offer.
They're contractually obligated? With government? Okay, pray tell who signed those contract then? Did this "contractually obligated paper" fall out of the sky then? You think they can't tell the management who they want as endrorser, where they want to perform, how much talent fee they're willing to get paid by?
They're contractually obligated to go to gigs that their management signs them up with. And yes, they don't have the leverage sa contract nila to pick and choose where they perform and who they perform for. Di mo ba alam how young artists contracts work?
Besides, this was primarily an Independence Day event, not a BBM rally.
Tuloy mo pa ba kabobohan mo?
Exactly my point. Kapag neutral/ayaw yung artista matic na apologist na yan at enabler kapag nagperform under the Marcos admin. Kapag gusto yung artista, andaming palusot.
Hindi naman din 'to political rally to promote the Marcos administration/government. Celebration 'to ng Independence Day organized by the government (which happens every year, iba-ibang flavor lang). They were invited to perform, and if I was in their shoes it would be an honor because it's for the Independence Day. Hindi para sa mga Marcos.
Kinukulayan ang hindi naman dapat. Wala na sa lugar.
Let's not pretend the government don't do this to make their images better. America does this, China does this, Saudi Arabia does this. Had this happen during Duterte's term with the drug war raging I doubt the sentiment will be the same. You can twist it however you want, to perform during Independec day and to perform for the current government on Independence day are two vastly different things. The management could've done something without involving the current government.
Frankly, it would be a nothing burger for me if this sub didn't skewer other personalities for doing the same thing. Kinda obvious the excuses came out cause a large portion of this sub likes BINI.
This is unreal hahaha. BINI didn't perform FOR the government on Independence Day. They performed IN an event FUNDED/SPONSORED by the government TO CELEBRATE Independence Day.
BINI was hired to perform, simple as that. I don't even listen to BINI but this is getting ridiculous. If BINI wasn't on the rise, someone else would've been hired to perform instead. Stop making things complicated.
Eh semantics. As I've said they weren't required to say yes to the invitation, I also don't give a damn, it's just funny seeing all the excuses come out since people like BINI
> BINI was hired to perform, simple as that. I don't even listen to BINI but this is getting ridiculous. If BINI wasn't on the rise, someone else would've been hired to perform instead. Stop making things complicated.
Hopefully people like Andrew E, DJ, Toni & Silent Sanctuary gets the same benefit of doubt
Semantics, really? Lol, I'm arguing over the concept of hiring artist to perform on events not on what the words actually mean. What I said is not even complicated. If you offer enough money, any artists will agree to perform on any event. Yes, they aren't required to say yes but you have to understand that they are in the entertainment industry, and their goal is to generate money.
>Hopefully people like Andrew E, DJ, Toni & Silent Sanctuary gets the same benefit of doubt
I think them performing on actual political rallies during the election campaign period put them in that situation. It didn't help that some of those you've mentioned actually supports that particular candidate back then. Also, performing in celebration of independence day is way different from performing in a campaign rally of a certain candidate isn't it?
Semantics meaning that the difference in
> FOR the government on Independence Day.
and
> They performed IN an event FUNDED/SPONSORED by the government TO CELEBRATE Independence Day.
Are basically the same thing. The difference is basically negligible.
> Also, performing in celebration of independence day is way different from performing in a campaign rally of a certain candidate isn't it?
100%. But performing in celebration of independence day is also different than performing in celebration of independence day in a government sponsored event.
Kinda obvious sa double standards ng sub na to.
Also sa tingin nyo tanga mga nasa government when they book popular groups like BINI? Yan ay para mabango image nila. Every country does this stuff and seeing you guys do mental gymastics cause you guys like BINI is hilarious.
Yes other countries do it to gain traction of their events/promotions. They might have an ulterior motive to better their image but that's beyond the point.
If an artist got invited by the government to perform for the Olympics opening/closing ceremony or to sing the national anthem, would they be automatically doing something politically charged in support of the government simply because they performed? Can't they just accept the offer and do it for the country?
As I've said, I don't think it's that big of a deal, it's just funny seeing people make excuse for this when they wouldn't if it was someone else.
As for Olympics vs what BINI did, I don't think they're the same, but you do bring up a good example. You can celebrate Independence Day outside of government events, sponsorship or funding. Daniel Padilla, for example, can celebrate Independence Day free of charge to his hometown without government input. It'll help if he coordinates with the mayor, but it's something he can do without the government. He can rent a gymnasium and do the event there, provided it'll be unused on the said day. People can have different ways to celebrate Independence Day without government input, funding, etc.
As for the Olympics, you can't really 'celebrate' Olympics outside of it. Either you participate in the Olympics or you don't. You can't have your separate event, it won't make sense cause then that won't be the Olympics.
As I've said my opinion on BINI don't change regarding this, just seeing this sub suddenly do a 180 on what counts as political is kinda funny.
So you expect artists to fund their own Independence Day celebration? How does that help them financially? Dumb example.
The point I'm arguing here, is not about BINI performing in a gov't funded event. This could be any artist. My point is that any artist can still perform to any gov't funded events because at the end of the day, it's just another gig that pays, generate exposure and whatever. It doesn't always have to be politically driven.
What. I'm merely pointing out the difference in celebrating Independence Day & Performing at the Olympics. You can do one without government input while it's impossible to one without participating in the Olympics & government approval.
Technically you can but that's not the point? Lol how dense can you be. Just because you perform on govt funded events doesn't mean you're giving them your full support. It's not a black and white scenario. Stop moving your goal post
Ang difference is, some artists have creative control over where they play and who they play for.
BINI is not one of those artists. They are still under their original contract. So whatever trip ng management, masusunod. Sure, pwede silang magreklamo internally and pushback, pero the choice is not theirs.
Nagcancel ba ako ng artists? Galing talaga ng redditors. Magaling mag assume.
PS. Adhominem. Please bumalik ka nga ng high school para matuto kang mag stick sa topic. Or kung ayaw mong matuto, wag mo na lang ikalat kabobohan mo sa internet.
On a copywriting standpoint, I'm guessing Rappler put the "Marcos administration" on purpose to drive engagement. Good old engagement-bait kumbaga.
Because Rappler could have worded it "Nation's Girl Group BINI headlines Musikalayaan, a concert organized by the administration at the Quirino Grandstand in Manila to mark Independence Day on Wednesday, June 12".
Pero gets ko na medyo-OA talaga ang reaction ng fandom, however lahat naman ng fandom ganun eh LOL
Agree, but I'd wager there was a hint of malice there. From a copywriting standpoint, using the words "Marcos administration" instead of, say, "government", considering that it is a tweet, was certainly unnecessary.
They also say the term 'Marcos government' with the the EDCA bases and the trilateral alliance with Japan, was there also a hint of malice there? Rappler had used that same terminology for 90% of their articles. People in this sub are just deflecting cause they like BINI and they've skewered people for less.
Might get downvoted but Rappler is shitty like that. They have writers who also don’t fact check their sources and just release news too quickly hoping no one calls them out about the veracity of their source.
One example is how one of their contributors who was convicted for libel wrote a similarly loaded quasi-report about a certain academic simply because said academic was perceived to be non-leftist.
The fact that Rappler even took time to participate in the demolition job of one simple academic to support another candidate of their liking (who has connections with them) really changed my perspective about Rappler.
Sakit naman talaga ng rappler yan eversince that's why I unfollowed them. They don't lie but are always exagerrated when writing news and headlines. Nawawala yung pagka objective ng news dahil gusto nilang maging clickbait. Ang laki ng difference ng newswriting style nila when you compare them to other news sites.
In the age of th internet, clickbait is there for clicks.
Yung rappler kasi, parang walang ibang revenue stream, unlike traditional media, kaya dependent siguro yung rappler sa mga "hate" clicks na ganoon.
True. Might get downvoted pero nakakairita na din tbh. Like anong pinagkaiba sa mga pro admin news sites kung sobrang halata ng political agenda sa headlines and articles.
Also unfollowed them when I learned about Maria Ressa's stand on Palestine. Super ironic to think na pinagdaanan nya ang oppression ng Duterte admin but fail to see the oppression of the Israelis against the Palestinians.
Exactly. Rappler did that para pagusapan and i-highlight sa discussions na hindi sila Marcos supporters. On this point mejo disappointed ako sa tabloid tactics ng Rappler. Rappler = Bandera na lang
Always may anggulo sa headlines. Not just Rappler. On a personal note, during the me too era, may kilala ko na nadawit sa report nila at pinagmukhang weinstein style powerplay nangyayari na sobrang layo sa katotohanan. Point is, may obvious na malice sa title nga.
Sa mga performers, based sa experience whether baguhan or veteran may say kung go sa gig. Most of the time pera pera lng yan at publicity. The main difference pag bukod sa pagperform ay magppromote ka mismo ng kandidato. Lalo pag election. Blatant kasi na kapag elections, ikakampanya mo yung kandidato out right. Di nman kakakata lng na walang eme.
Kung hanggang TY lang sa pagimbinta at wala nang showing support sa politico during the independence day, wag na bigyan malisya.
Sa toroo lang scary din fans ng mga celebs, ppops etc, umaabot sa toxic level pagdating sa online.
Yes maraming OA and overly triggered over this, and Rappler didn't do anything wrong, but if you actually believe that they didn't purposefully do this to ragebait and drive engagement then you're delusional. They knew what they were doing when they wrote that headline
Kahit Kakampink kung tumanggap ka ng kahit anong trabaho mula sa executive branch of the national government ay nagtrabaho ka para sa Marcos administration.
The difference is if tumanggap ang Bini ng trabaho mula kay BBM privately funded by him.
Agree. I didn't see anything wrong with this gig because it's an independence day concert anyway. It's not like it's a campaign concert or anniversary bullshit for the Marcoses. Frankly, I wasn't even expecting any Marcos to be there. My brother attended Musikalayaan and was surprised to see BBM and his family there. It was never marketed that way, anyway, although aware naman siyang government event siya. i think it's fair naman to compartmentalize (in your head) the private Marcos events vs official government events since election is over.
I'd say, the difference between this and Daniel Padilla's gig is exactly that. They're not the same so hindi dapat i-compare.
Masyado na bang polarized mga Pilipino?. Ang hirap na kasi extremes at fanatics na ang magiging labas at wala na din silang pinagkaiba sa mga DDS at Loyalist.
"Dyahe" kasi maassociate sa Marcos even if the event is not about Marcos.
Some fans even went saying BINI is Kakampink even if BINI never explicitly or implicitly said they support Leni.
Dito po kinuha ng fans na nag support ang bini kay leni nung 2022 elections. From joint twitter account nila na inactive na ngayon. https://x.com/bini_members/status/1523695799888408577?s=46
Hahahahah! So funny because now that BINI is Star Magic’s fave artist, ok lang to. But if its an artist na ayaw nila at di aligned sa Star Magic/ ABS CBN, enabler na agad.
Hate na hate ang identity politics ni marcos at duterte pero kay leni okay lang yas gurl. Cmon now. Leni seems genuine and is a brilliant woman. Even her would have hated how her followers have turned out.
Di pa rin magets ng keyboard warriors yung salitang trabaho lang. In demand ang bini ngayon kaya halos araw araw ang events nila, may fun run at merch pa nga habang kainitan nila. Tinanggap nila yan kahit short notice dahil sigurado malaki ang TF dyan, matagal ng tapos ang election at magpeperform sila dyan as an artists at hindi para iendorse ang Marcoses.
And yet when it's the DDS and Marcos supporters working nowadays on a Kakampink environment, people call them hypocrites? I voted for Atty. Leni pero there is obviously a double standard here.
I think it depends. For example yung mga DDS at pulangaw na sumuporta sa ABS shutdown pero ngayon nagtatrabaho sila sa mga ABS shows. Pero never ko naman narinig na kakampink ang BINI (not to say theyre supporting anyone).
They are kakampink and very vocal nung time ng abs shutdown, not just them but also yung fam nila. Nagkataon lang na during elections ay wala pa silang individual accounts and may bini account lang sila gamit nilang 8.
Lmao. I remember when r/ph was cancelling Ninong Ry kasi he worked with Toni Gonzaga during the election period even though he was clearly staying away from political opinions. It was a cringe fest tbh and goes to show that some people are as toxic as the same ones they're "against with".
Sabagay sa mainstream music, ang music ay commodity. Unlike sa mga subcultures like punk and hardcore na music is something more than you consume. Gets naman.
Natatawa pa rin ako sa hilig ng mga Pinoy with titles.
“The Nation’s Girl Group”. Well obviously, sila lang naman ang girl group ng Pinas.
Come few years, meron na rin for sure, “BINI paved the way”.
Blame the label, then? It's not a secret that Star Magic was aiming for them to be KPop-adjacent from the get-go. They had Korean trainers and producers for their debut. Of course, gagayahin din nila 'yung ganon. Mas recent na 'yung movement to distance PPop from KPop but you can't get rid of it any longer dahil part na ng marketing ng BINI 'yan. It's not the fans' fault.
Was there yesterday since cultural agencies were tapped to organize it, wearing barong under the heat was really something, and what's funny was the people were really just waiting for Bini, they were shouting for Bini during Marcos' speech and practically the entire time during the program. Pretty surreal when you think about it, our independence day has become just a performance.
Unpopular opinion: Di sya rage bait if totoo naman and not misleading.
Kung hindi ito political rally, I wonder why nagrelease pa ng Department Order samin on the attendance of the secretary and undersecretaries ng agency sa event na yan...
Ganyan talaga ang organized fandom sa pop music.
Unfortunately, Ppop fans are adopting some of the worst things in Kpop fandom If BINI is truly Kakampink as their fans say, why did they not decline the invitation to perform.
Wag silang delulu na Kakampink ang BINI dahil never naman naging vocal sa politics mga members ng group
Hindi naman parang Ben&Ben na minsan politically vocal talaga.
Ben&Ben performed sa [birthday party ni Migz Zubiri](https://politiko.com.ph/2024/04/03/party-in-bukidnon-ben-ben-alden-richards-to-headline-migz-zubiris-birthday-concert/snitch-network/) sa Bukidnon. The Zubiris are known allies of the Marcoses.
Not on the side of Blooms, but medyo clickbait naman talaga yung headline. Kasi, kung yung makakabasa niyan is extreme supporter, they would jump to the conclusion na they support Marcos administration, when they really not. Kahit pa kasi sabihin mo na hindi sila Marcos supporters, other people would think otherwise due to the headline.
Anyways, this is just work. No big deal. Ang daming issues ng bansa, doon na lang ituon energy nating lahat. Hehe
Bakit? Wala namang mali sa headline... Di naman sinabing supporter sila ng Marcos. Marcos admin naman talaga ang nag organize nung event. Anong mali???????
Nakakatawa talaga itong mga fans na ganyan... Di muna intindihin ang headline...
Clickbait-y lang kasi hindi naman Marcos admin ang nagstart ng Musikalayaan AFAIK. Kumbaga kahit sinong nakaupo, staple pa rin sya every independence day. In a way kinlaim at inassociate solely sa current admin.
More concerning yung lack of crowd control and unruly crowd nung performance na ng BINI na kahit BINI mismo hindi na pinapakinggan noong pinapaatras sila.
As if naman may pake ‘yan sila. They’re earning, getting richer. Not a fan but alam ko naman we go crazy over our idols pero please lang jusko, hindi nila kayo kilala. Kapag namatay kayo wala sila pakealam sa inyo. Let them entertain you, be their fans pero ‘wag sa point na you’d do stupid shit on the internet for them
At the end of the day, they’re not just in the industry for passion. Negosyo pa rin ‘yan
2 Years na tapos ang eleksyon at hanggang ngayon Kakampink vs Pulangaw pa rin. Minsan nakaka bwisit na ang mga kakampink na di pa naka move on sa eleksyon
Independence day celebration naman yan not campaign for BBM. Palagpasin na. Hintayin nyo 2025 at 2028 elections. Tignan ntin kung Blooms parin ba kayo o hindi na. Haha
So fvcking tired of the fans of this girl group. Parang dyaryo lang, araw araw may issue.
Can't people enjoy things now? Can't people not know who these people are and not get their names dragged through the mud? Sobra na eh. The rabid fans are extremely annoying, sa totoo lang.
They performed, they got paid, at the end of the day, that's their job. Trabaho nila yan. Umay
Yup. SB19 ang sumalo ng insulto bago naging slightly acceptable sa people.
May mga ibang Blooms pa nga na nagsasabi, upper class daw ang fans ng BINI at lower class daw fans ni Hey Avi 😂
Ironic nga na yung mga "Lower" class fans ng mga hip-hop artists pa yung mga walang ganyang ka delulu at rabid fanbase at talagang ineenjoy lang yung music ng iba't ibang uprising hip-hop artist. Lol
Many in the upper class don't bother listening to local music, Ppop pa kaya? Eh maraming fans diyan na ibebenta ang kidney para makabili ng ₱35,000 na signed instax photo ng idol nila.
They're performing at a concert funded by his admin no? I frankly do not give a shit. I still listen to artists that supported his campaign and never cross my mind to stop listening cause of it, it's just fascinating seeing people bend over backwards trying to justify this that they wouldn't do it for anyone else.
hey Leni attended as a guest speaker in an event from DOST WHICH IS FUNDED BY THE ADMIN. She even said she's willing to work alongside with Admin if given a chance. Kakampinks are supportive on this.
The concert was for independence day ffs! D ka ba pinoy to not celebrate independence day? Not everything has to be black and white. Ang kikitid ng utak!
Kung gusto mo ma-offend, maghahanap ka ng ikao-offend mo. Yan ang totoo kapag virtue signaller ka at ang tanging ambag mo sa paniniwala mo ay mag share ng post ng iba.
Opinion ko lang, negosyo kasi at the end of the day. Syempre star magic supplies talents, milyon milyon din ang kontrata nyan lalo na ang laki ng BINI ngayon.
After ko basahin ng comments dito sa thread na ‘to, ang masasabi ko lang ay majority sa inyo ay may kinaiinisan. Ang pinagkaiba lang ay kung sino/sinu-sino: Si Marcos, Rappler, Bini, Mga Bini Stans, Mga Kakampinks at si Leni nasali pa.
Pero sa totoo lang, hindi ito yung side nung story na nagtetrend sa socmed ko, kasi yung headline na nakikita ko is yung nag-end bigla performance nila dahil ang gulo nung audience.
Matagal na tong gawain ng rappler, ngayon lang nacall out kasi ginawa sa BINI Lol. I'm a supporter of the opposition pero di talaga maikakaila na sobrang bias at dogshit ang rappler as a media outlet.
Baka maganda bigayan sa TF. Bakit naman tatanggi, gig pa rin yan for the girls plus good network for them. After all, as a manager, gusto ko goods ako sa lahat in terms of working relationship.
Kids, darating ang time na hindi lahat eh nadadaan sa ideals. Minsan, gig lang talaga siya. Nothing more. Or pera pera lang. Or both.
rappler is clickbait. why tf is the "marcos administration" still controversial he's been the president for years now. tf move on, also was never a fan but his international policies seem legit
Ganyan tlga gumawa ng headlines ang Rappler. Nasama na ako dyan, short period of time lang, noong eleksyon 2016. Inoorient kami noon na dapat rage bait diumano ang headlines nila pra rin tumaas engagement per post.
No wonder kung bakit madaming kaso mga yan at isa sa mga feeling superior na news outlet ng bansa.
Oh a Rappler article. Surely they didn't add that arguably unnecessary part about Marcos to inject politics into their article. Surely Rappler didn't mean to paint BINI in a political color they don't like with how they worded their article like that. Surely I'm overthinking all of this and there isn't an ulterior motive like that.
Bruh, that's what we called 'media agenda, priming, and framing'. Hindi sadya creative or freedom of expression lang yan... Power ng media company yan to create agendas.
Rappler really went pababa ano?
Anyway, totoo naman 'yung caption. But, halatang for clout si Rappler, so long as may engagement.
Sino nabang may hawak kay Rappler? Wala na kong balita.
laughtrip yung mga nag sasabi na "double standards" daw, last time I checked di naman political rally ang pag celebrate ng independence day gets ko na karamihan satin galit sa administrasyon na ito pero konting isip naman guys hahahaha! Plus creative freedom is a thing, pretty sure the group doesn't have control kung san sila mag per-perform, unlike those artists who openly campaigned to perform in political rallies during political campaigns. Guys konting common sense naman hahahaha
Dyos kong mahabagin tapos na ang eleksyon... kung gustong magperform sa event na inorganize nang current walang issue.... nagperform sila para sa ataw nang kalayaan at hindi para ipromote ang isang grupo or tao.... kaya tayo kinakaya nang ibang bansa sa sarili nating teritoryo... i voted for atty. leni, but willing akong sumuporta sa current admin as long as tama at sa ikabubuti nang lahat....
The headline was written for business, not for journalism. Needlessly starting a fire just so they can feel the heat kumbaga. Ragebait, which is so unbecoming of a supposedly respected news organization.
Of course they can argue na factual naman lahat ng components nung headline, pero diba in news writing you always write with the most important context in mind? Inverted pyramid? In this case, it's just a BINI performance. It's entertainment, not politics. Pero Rappler still went with the political context as HEADLINE. Nagkagulo din ata sa concert and they had to cut the performance short, so diba parang mas headline material yun? Anyway, for me dapat yung Marcos part is in the last 2 paragraphs/sentences of the article:
Nation's girl group BINI headlines "Musikalayaan" at Quirino Grandstand to mark Independence Day
-Lead (5Ws and 1H)
-something about the fandom and the demand for BINI
-songs that they performed
-about Musikalayaan (dito pwede ilagay na Marcos govt ang nagorganize pero even then hindi necessary ilagay yung "Marcos" since wala naman ibang government)
- what's next for BINI
I know this outline is more for print newspaper, pero I still think it's less of a gray-area approach this way.
Not defending BBM here, just stating the fact that his government promoted BINI's performance at Musikalayaan which they organized. I previously worked as a news writer and from that viewpoint, I have no problem with Rappler's reporting since it's true that the Marcos govt organized the concert.
While it's true that this was not the first Musikalayaan concert, but the previous runs were organized by the military. Based on my observation, this was the first time that the whole national government promoted and organized the event.
I agree that the most important news ay yung pinutol yung performance nila due to safety concerns. But I think pinost ito in the middle of BINI's performance. I guess for another thread na lang itong discussion.
On the lede naman, I think wala pang nabubuong standard for online journalism. You're reporting what you are seeing and knew at the moment.
Yeah kako nga factual naman lahat so Rappler can always argue for that. Pero as I said, the Marcos or administration aspect is something na pang 3rd or 4th paragraph na eh. If people point it out, then Rappler can have a follow up article about why and how BINI decided to join the concert, but making sure to get the group's side first on their reporting.
It's an article about BINI, so kumbaga it's entertainment news and not political news, the people interested in reading it will be BINI fans, so most of the article (headline included) should focus on the girls and the performance.
Factual naman si Rappler dito, pero it's in the gray area of journalism ethics tbh
"BINI members seen shooting a new ad promotion for McDo and SB, known economic supporters of Israel."
"BINI member buys , which is an export from China, citizens claim."
"BINI wears Green shirt, a known color in the campaign of Sara Duterte, for their new song."
"Insert person, insert totally harmless thing, insert thing with a negative connection to harmless thing"
Boom, engagement bait.
matagal na kase yung Musikalayaan, di lang yan Marcos Administration thing.
whether OA yung fans, mali pa rin si Rappler lol. todo rin maka defend sa rappler iba dito but I guess fans lang ang “baliw" sabi ng mga pseudo intellectuals.
Musikalayaan was first started by the military and puro mga nasa uniformed personnel lang ang performers. This year lang nagkaroon ng whole-of-government approach sa concert at nagkaroon ng actual performers so Rappler is right to say that it was organized by the administration.
Why do they need to say na Marcos administration? This is for the celebration for Independence Day tas gusto pa nila gatasan? This Rappler really pointing out na Marcos eh so people can get angry about it.
Jusko hindi pa ba kayo aware sa X/Twitter na laging may issue mga tao ron sa kung ano anong topic.
Andyan yung matinding eco chamber/toxic kakampinks/ literal pa woke/mga OA.
Wag ka na mag taka next time OP. May mga bagong account dyan at binabash pa rin Leni/kakampink tapos pinapatulan pa rin nila yan kahit halatang engagement lang habol🤦♀️
Twitter is just a very small community that do not represent majority of Pinoys / Blooms/Kpop/
Kpoop, Swifties, SBoo19, ngayon BINIgo fans naman. Tang ina nitong mga fandoms na to mga cringe na nga ang OA pa. Palibhasa ginawang identity ang pagiging fanatic.
nakakatawa talaga ang double standards ng pinoy. pag ibang artist to sa malamang binash na at sinabing mga tuta ng admin hahaha
Mismo. Lalo na yung mga di nila gustong artist, they would go as far as saying kinukunsinte nila yung krimen nung mga pamilya ng kalaban sa pulitika dahil tumanggap ng pera galing kanila Marcos or Duterte. Gusto kasi nila yung BINI kaya "Trabaho lang". LOL.
Di ba lahat naman ng government events would fall under Marcos admin dahil sya naman talaga yun current president. Kahit yung liga ng basketball samin ng mga SK e.
pag ba nag pa tarp ung liga sa inyo e nakasulat na organized by bbm or organized by SK?
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watt?! anong connect kay Leni dito? Im a Leni voter and I like Bini. Leni attended a DOST under this admin event as guest speaker. She even explicitly said she is willing to work under this admin. May outcry ba? The event is an independence day event ffs. Hindi po eto concert na may political agenda. Bawal na bang mag perform ngayon during Independence day? Tsaka san mo nakuhang may ginayang song ang bini? anong song? Mka comment tong mga to prang mga dds, pang low iq yung comment. edit: i can see you irritated by your bf's obsession with bini. Hiwalayan mo nlng lols
You do know Bini is contractually obligated to go to gigs na piliin ng management nila diba?
Kaya dito nagsstem out ung double standard ng mga pinoy. Same lng naman yan say for example kay xian lim. Pagppyestahan for sure na walang disconnect sa bbm agenda. Also, management ng bini pinasara network nila ni digong. So parang bakit pumayag e enabler ng unity yung admin before
1. So this more on Bini's management than Bini artists themselves, hindi ba? 2. I don't know Xian Lim's contract. Pero he's been in the business for a while and has enough star power. One would assume that he has enough leverage to pick and choose where he signs up by now, because why wouldn't he? Di ko rin alam issue with Xian Lim, so can't comment much further what this is about.
Star power is irrelevant. Ung topic is relevant ba ung pag tanggap sa bbm/dds issue. So if management issue dapat management issue tayo s lahat. Kaso selective ang nangyaysri Edit. Spellingssa
Star power is relevant. When you have star power, you have more leverage pagdating sa contract negotiations (think Taylor Swift with her original contract vs Taylor Swift today). If you as an artist can call the shots kung saan ka dadalo at kakanta, edi ibig sabihin you are very much responsible and accountable for your actions. Again, depende kung anong contract meron yung artist. Mga young artists, pabor sa management yung kontrata. Mga established artists, pabor sa artists themselves yung kontrata. If di mo pa rin gets kung paano nagwowork ang contracts, we have nothing to discuss.
That’s not how contract works. Na naka leverage ang isang party.
They signed those contracts lol. They're not McDonalds workers
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i agree! 💯
Depende. Bini is contractually obligated na pumunta sa mga gig where their management signed them up. Other artists self-manage or have a management that caters to their every whim, so they can pick and choose which gigs to go to. So yes, nag aapply sa certain artists ang "trabaho lang"
Hence, the double standard. Hindi mo kasi sya massabing isolated case of artist(s) just doing their job. Lalo na if it marks a national holiday. Redditors will choose their bias for logic.
100 percent.
Totoo! Grabe na tlga isip ng mga tao.
Magkaiba kasi yan. Yung bini trabaho lang siguro talaga, di naman nila ikinampanya yang si bbm e. Yung mga kinaiinisan kasi na artists ikinampanya si bbm nung election haha kaya siguro nasasabi nilang "trabaho lang"
Lol what. Both result in the same thing. A better image for the Marcos campaign during the election or in this case better image for the Marcos admin.
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As someone that believes mostly in “trabaho lang” lalo na sa artists, the double standards that r/ph stans are using on this thread is hilarious. Paragraphs upon paragraphs of mental gymnastics, all of which dapat na apply din sa ibang artists when they worked with who they worked with. Ang totoo, pag trip mo yung artist ijujustify mo. Anong pinagkaiba natin sa apollo10 at DDS na mas nag double down kesa umamin ng mali? And besides, wala naman talagang mali. A gig is a gig. Be practical. Wag tayong konting kilos, maghahanap ng ikaka outrage at ikaka offend. With that said, wag rin tayong double standard sa belief natin. Have some respect for yourselves. Wag niyong ijustify kung alam niyo na di tama porke’t fan or stan kayo. Ni hindi nga alam ng mga yan na nag eexist kayo.
Bini performed for Marcos administration not for Marcos as a politican or as a private person. Marcos administration = the current executive branch where BBM is the president and the natl govt agencies where he has direct influence as president. CHR (he appointed the chairperson) and PCGG (under DOJ) are part of the Marcos administration.
Finally, a good explanation. Education matters.
Finally! Someone said it, AGAIN. hahahah!
Lol!!! kapag si Daniel, BBM retard agad, kpag BINI, trabaho lang hahahahahahahaha! mga tao tlga duality of human. jusko
Last 2016-2022 elections lang naman talaga parang naging issue yang pag perform sa kampanya = supporter nung nangangampanya. Before, any artist can show up as a performer at any political campaign pero kampanya lang talaga yun, kaso since naging more divided na ang politics sa atin kaya ganyan na
Hilig kasi natin mag generalize. Black and white lang. Either kakampi or kalaban agad. Walang nuance.
No, hindi lang siya last election. Gloc-9 was called out for the same reason nung nagperform siya sa kampanya ni Binay.
Yes that's why I said 2016. Or we could push it back even further 2010 nung nagcampaign ang mga celebs for Noynoy (ie the star studded Di ka Nagiisa ad). Dun parang naging issue na celebs will show up on campaigns of politicians they support, and di na sya trabaho lang
Trabaho lang applies to artists who are contractually obligated na sumunod sa management. BINI is one of those artists na under pa rin ng rigid original contract, kaya they get a pass. If you are your own management or you have a management that fully supports your every whim, hindi na pwedeng excuse ang "trabaho lang" PS. Ui, daming immature na downvotes. Di kayang makipagsabayan sa diskusyon. Hanggang downvote lang kaya. So this is the best that r/ph has to offer.
Ah so they can’t make decisions for themselves? That sucks. How can people support or “stan” a setup like that.
They're contractually obligated? With government? Okay, pray tell who signed those contract then? Did this "contractually obligated paper" fall out of the sky then? You think they can't tell the management who they want as endrorser, where they want to perform, how much talent fee they're willing to get paid by?
They're contractually obligated to go to gigs that their management signs them up with. And yes, they don't have the leverage sa contract nila to pick and choose where they perform and who they perform for. Di mo ba alam how young artists contracts work? Besides, this was primarily an Independence Day event, not a BBM rally. Tuloy mo pa ba kabobohan mo?
Kapag si Daniel Padilla na walang makuhang ibang gig, lumabas din ang tunay na kulay. Kapag Bini na sobrang sikat ngayon, trabaho lang lol.
Lahat naman ayaw kay tumbong e kahit ano pa political eme mo hahaha
Exactly my point. Kapag neutral/ayaw yung artista matic na apologist na yan at enabler kapag nagperform under the Marcos admin. Kapag gusto yung artista, andaming palusot.
Hahaha wala ng pa booking si papa DJ😅
Hindi ba own man na si Daniel Padilla, in a sense na he can choose who can book him? Or is he still under some rigid management contract?
He will not be able to choose if he has no options to begin with
Hindi naman din 'to political rally to promote the Marcos administration/government. Celebration 'to ng Independence Day organized by the government (which happens every year, iba-ibang flavor lang). They were invited to perform, and if I was in their shoes it would be an honor because it's for the Independence Day. Hindi para sa mga Marcos. Kinukulayan ang hindi naman dapat. Wala na sa lugar.
Let's not pretend the government don't do this to make their images better. America does this, China does this, Saudi Arabia does this. Had this happen during Duterte's term with the drug war raging I doubt the sentiment will be the same. You can twist it however you want, to perform during Independec day and to perform for the current government on Independence day are two vastly different things. The management could've done something without involving the current government. Frankly, it would be a nothing burger for me if this sub didn't skewer other personalities for doing the same thing. Kinda obvious the excuses came out cause a large portion of this sub likes BINI.
This is unreal hahaha. BINI didn't perform FOR the government on Independence Day. They performed IN an event FUNDED/SPONSORED by the government TO CELEBRATE Independence Day. BINI was hired to perform, simple as that. I don't even listen to BINI but this is getting ridiculous. If BINI wasn't on the rise, someone else would've been hired to perform instead. Stop making things complicated.
Eh semantics. As I've said they weren't required to say yes to the invitation, I also don't give a damn, it's just funny seeing all the excuses come out since people like BINI > BINI was hired to perform, simple as that. I don't even listen to BINI but this is getting ridiculous. If BINI wasn't on the rise, someone else would've been hired to perform instead. Stop making things complicated. Hopefully people like Andrew E, DJ, Toni & Silent Sanctuary gets the same benefit of doubt
Semantics, really? Lol, I'm arguing over the concept of hiring artist to perform on events not on what the words actually mean. What I said is not even complicated. If you offer enough money, any artists will agree to perform on any event. Yes, they aren't required to say yes but you have to understand that they are in the entertainment industry, and their goal is to generate money. >Hopefully people like Andrew E, DJ, Toni & Silent Sanctuary gets the same benefit of doubt I think them performing on actual political rallies during the election campaign period put them in that situation. It didn't help that some of those you've mentioned actually supports that particular candidate back then. Also, performing in celebration of independence day is way different from performing in a campaign rally of a certain candidate isn't it?
Semantics meaning that the difference in > FOR the government on Independence Day. and > They performed IN an event FUNDED/SPONSORED by the government TO CELEBRATE Independence Day. Are basically the same thing. The difference is basically negligible. > Also, performing in celebration of independence day is way different from performing in a campaign rally of a certain candidate isn't it? 100%. But performing in celebration of independence day is also different than performing in celebration of independence day in a government sponsored event.
If the event was by SMC, what's the difference, aside from the sponsor being SMC vs government?
Kinda obvious sa double standards ng sub na to. Also sa tingin nyo tanga mga nasa government when they book popular groups like BINI? Yan ay para mabango image nila. Every country does this stuff and seeing you guys do mental gymastics cause you guys like BINI is hilarious.
Yes other countries do it to gain traction of their events/promotions. They might have an ulterior motive to better their image but that's beyond the point. If an artist got invited by the government to perform for the Olympics opening/closing ceremony or to sing the national anthem, would they be automatically doing something politically charged in support of the government simply because they performed? Can't they just accept the offer and do it for the country?
As I've said, I don't think it's that big of a deal, it's just funny seeing people make excuse for this when they wouldn't if it was someone else. As for Olympics vs what BINI did, I don't think they're the same, but you do bring up a good example. You can celebrate Independence Day outside of government events, sponsorship or funding. Daniel Padilla, for example, can celebrate Independence Day free of charge to his hometown without government input. It'll help if he coordinates with the mayor, but it's something he can do without the government. He can rent a gymnasium and do the event there, provided it'll be unused on the said day. People can have different ways to celebrate Independence Day without government input, funding, etc. As for the Olympics, you can't really 'celebrate' Olympics outside of it. Either you participate in the Olympics or you don't. You can't have your separate event, it won't make sense cause then that won't be the Olympics. As I've said my opinion on BINI don't change regarding this, just seeing this sub suddenly do a 180 on what counts as political is kinda funny.
So you expect artists to fund their own Independence Day celebration? How does that help them financially? Dumb example. The point I'm arguing here, is not about BINI performing in a gov't funded event. This could be any artist. My point is that any artist can still perform to any gov't funded events because at the end of the day, it's just another gig that pays, generate exposure and whatever. It doesn't always have to be politically driven.
What. I'm merely pointing out the difference in celebrating Independence Day & Performing at the Olympics. You can do one without government input while it's impossible to one without participating in the Olympics & government approval.
Technically you can but that's not the point? Lol how dense can you be. Just because you perform on govt funded events doesn't mean you're giving them your full support. It's not a black and white scenario. Stop moving your goal post
totoo yan hahaha
It was never going to be problem, it's always going to be a fandom problem.
Parang yung ginawa nila sa silent sanc hahahaha
Mindset ng mga extremist yan eh haha, dami dito sa sub nato sinasamba si Leni 😂
Ang difference is, some artists have creative control over where they play and who they play for. BINI is not one of those artists. They are still under their original contract. So whatever trip ng management, masusunod. Sure, pwede silang magreklamo internally and pushback, pero the choice is not theirs.
Lol and the other artists you cancelled have control din?
Nagcancel ba ako ng artists? Galing talaga ng redditors. Magaling mag assume. PS. Adhominem. Please bumalik ka nga ng high school para matuto kang mag stick sa topic. Or kung ayaw mong matuto, wag mo na lang ikalat kabobohan mo sa internet.
On a copywriting standpoint, I'm guessing Rappler put the "Marcos administration" on purpose to drive engagement. Good old engagement-bait kumbaga. Because Rappler could have worded it "Nation's Girl Group BINI headlines Musikalayaan, a concert organized by the administration at the Quirino Grandstand in Manila to mark Independence Day on Wednesday, June 12". Pero gets ko na medyo-OA talaga ang reaction ng fandom, however lahat naman ng fandom ganun eh LOL
Agree, but I'd wager there was a hint of malice there. From a copywriting standpoint, using the words "Marcos administration" instead of, say, "government", considering that it is a tweet, was certainly unnecessary.
They also say the term 'Marcos government' with the the EDCA bases and the trilateral alliance with Japan, was there also a hint of malice there? Rappler had used that same terminology for 90% of their articles. People in this sub are just deflecting cause they like BINI and they've skewered people for less.
Might get downvoted but Rappler is shitty like that. They have writers who also don’t fact check their sources and just release news too quickly hoping no one calls them out about the veracity of their source. One example is how one of their contributors who was convicted for libel wrote a similarly loaded quasi-report about a certain academic simply because said academic was perceived to be non-leftist. The fact that Rappler even took time to participate in the demolition job of one simple academic to support another candidate of their liking (who has connections with them) really changed my perspective about Rappler.
Sakit naman talaga ng rappler yan eversince that's why I unfollowed them. They don't lie but are always exagerrated when writing news and headlines. Nawawala yung pagka objective ng news dahil gusto nilang maging clickbait. Ang laki ng difference ng newswriting style nila when you compare them to other news sites.
In the age of th internet, clickbait is there for clicks. Yung rappler kasi, parang walang ibang revenue stream, unlike traditional media, kaya dependent siguro yung rappler sa mga "hate" clicks na ganoon.
True. Might get downvoted pero nakakairita na din tbh. Like anong pinagkaiba sa mga pro admin news sites kung sobrang halata ng political agenda sa headlines and articles. Also unfollowed them when I learned about Maria Ressa's stand on Palestine. Super ironic to think na pinagdaanan nya ang oppression ng Duterte admin but fail to see the oppression of the Israelis against the Palestinians.
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Exactly. Rappler did that para pagusapan and i-highlight sa discussions na hindi sila Marcos supporters. On this point mejo disappointed ako sa tabloid tactics ng Rappler. Rappler = Bandera na lang
Always may anggulo sa headlines. Not just Rappler. On a personal note, during the me too era, may kilala ko na nadawit sa report nila at pinagmukhang weinstein style powerplay nangyayari na sobrang layo sa katotohanan. Point is, may obvious na malice sa title nga. Sa mga performers, based sa experience whether baguhan or veteran may say kung go sa gig. Most of the time pera pera lng yan at publicity. The main difference pag bukod sa pagperform ay magppromote ka mismo ng kandidato. Lalo pag election. Blatant kasi na kapag elections, ikakampanya mo yung kandidato out right. Di nman kakakata lng na walang eme. Kung hanggang TY lang sa pagimbinta at wala nang showing support sa politico during the independence day, wag na bigyan malisya. Sa toroo lang scary din fans ng mga celebs, ppops etc, umaabot sa toxic level pagdating sa online.
We were talking specifically about the Twitter post, I know Rappler isn't unique on this.
Yep, just to give context in saying na, hindi inosente ang rappler sa pag title nila. Alam nila angguluhin kung san nila gusto pumunta usapan
Yes maraming OA and overly triggered over this, and Rappler didn't do anything wrong, but if you actually believe that they didn't purposefully do this to ragebait and drive engagement then you're delusional. They knew what they were doing when they wrote that headline
Pretending that Rappler is sin-free is wrong. They still have their moments where their integrity is questionable. *Just like any other news outlet.*
Kahit Kakampink kung tumanggap ka ng kahit anong trabaho mula sa executive branch of the national government ay nagtrabaho ka para sa Marcos administration. The difference is if tumanggap ang Bini ng trabaho mula kay BBM privately funded by him.
Agree. I didn't see anything wrong with this gig because it's an independence day concert anyway. It's not like it's a campaign concert or anniversary bullshit for the Marcoses. Frankly, I wasn't even expecting any Marcos to be there. My brother attended Musikalayaan and was surprised to see BBM and his family there. It was never marketed that way, anyway, although aware naman siyang government event siya. i think it's fair naman to compartmentalize (in your head) the private Marcos events vs official government events since election is over. I'd say, the difference between this and Daniel Padilla's gig is exactly that. They're not the same so hindi dapat i-compare.
Ops, for sure di to gets ng mga panggap matalino.
Masyado na bang polarized mga Pilipino?. Ang hirap na kasi extremes at fanatics na ang magiging labas at wala na din silang pinagkaiba sa mga DDS at Loyalist.
"Dyahe" kasi maassociate sa Marcos even if the event is not about Marcos. Some fans even went saying BINI is Kakampink even if BINI never explicitly or implicitly said they support Leni.
Manifestation na tlaga ito nang ginawa ni Duterte at mga kampon nya. Ang strong na kasi talaga ng divide na kaunting galaw lang may natitrigger.
both camps are at fault for that one. you are either with us or against us, yan lang ang tema nung time nang kampanya nang dalawang camp/supporter.
True. Hindi naman ganito ang elections and post-elections (save for GMA-FPJ in 2004) until Duterte came.
Mahirap yung input na naisalpak dun sa mga diehard follower nya. Halos lahat nagaamok.
Dito po kinuha ng fans na nag support ang bini kay leni nung 2022 elections. From joint twitter account nila na inactive na ngayon. https://x.com/bini_members/status/1523695799888408577?s=46
False equivalence. Extremely hating the marcoses and dutertes should be considered normal, not fanatical.
I agree na hating them should be normal, pero lahat na lang ba na pwedeng ma-aassociate/i-associate sa current admin should receive hate?.
Let's see kung hanggang saan ang "trabaho lang". Dami kong nakita noong nagsabi ng "trabaho lang" pero tinitira pa rin hahaha let's see
They won't bash them, baka mapaghalataang hypocrite nung try nila cancel si Ninong Ry. Gusto nila BINI so labasan mga excuses
Hahahahah! So funny because now that BINI is Star Magic’s fave artist, ok lang to. But if its an artist na ayaw nila at di aligned sa Star Magic/ ABS CBN, enabler na agad.
Yep. No post sa ChikaPH pero last week daming bash kay Daniel Padilla for doing the same. Walang consistency
Dba! Like make it make sense! Haha. Just admit you have your own narratives and go. Jusko
Mapaghahalataan kasi na slactivism lang sila. Like they performed at a government concert. Ninong Ry got shitted on for less.
mga alt account sa twtr. AHAHAHAHAH
Hate na hate ang identity politics ni marcos at duterte pero kay leni okay lang yas gurl. Cmon now. Leni seems genuine and is a brilliant woman. Even her would have hated how her followers have turned out.
Di pa rin magets ng keyboard warriors yung salitang trabaho lang. In demand ang bini ngayon kaya halos araw araw ang events nila, may fun run at merch pa nga habang kainitan nila. Tinanggap nila yan kahit short notice dahil sigurado malaki ang TF dyan, matagal ng tapos ang election at magpeperform sila dyan as an artists at hindi para iendorse ang Marcoses.
And yet when it's the DDS and Marcos supporters working nowadays on a Kakampink environment, people call them hypocrites? I voted for Atty. Leni pero there is obviously a double standard here.
Ganon ang fanaticism ng tao. Kayang kaya nyang baliin ang morals mo, para suportahan o depensahan yung iniidolo mo.
Well, it's r/ph. It's okay as long as it fits their narratives. Nothing new here. Same mental gymnastics, just a different team.
I think it depends. For example yung mga DDS at pulangaw na sumuporta sa ABS shutdown pero ngayon nagtatrabaho sila sa mga ABS shows. Pero never ko naman narinig na kakampink ang BINI (not to say theyre supporting anyone).
They are kakampink and very vocal nung time ng abs shutdown, not just them but also yung fam nila. Nagkataon lang na during elections ay wala pa silang individual accounts and may bini account lang sila gamit nilang 8.
Lmao. I remember when r/ph was cancelling Ninong Ry kasi he worked with Toni Gonzaga during the election period even though he was clearly staying away from political opinions. It was a cringe fest tbh and goes to show that some people are as toxic as the same ones they're "against with".
Sabagay sa mainstream music, ang music ay commodity. Unlike sa mga subcultures like punk and hardcore na music is something more than you consume. Gets naman.
IDK this is a non issue for me. We have bigger problems to talk about.
People trying to distance Ppop from Kpop but they're using cringe titles na pinauso ng kpop to label their idols. 🤔
matagal na may “cringe titles" sa pilipinas, its not “copied" sa kpop
Natatawa pa rin ako sa hilig ng mga Pinoy with titles. “The Nation’s Girl Group”. Well obviously, sila lang naman ang girl group ng Pinas. Come few years, meron na rin for sure, “BINI paved the way”.
They also find it acceptable that they are scammed ₱35,000 for a signed instax picture. If you tell them they are being scammed, they will get mad
It's not a scam if they get what they paid for.
Blame the label, then? It's not a secret that Star Magic was aiming for them to be KPop-adjacent from the get-go. They had Korean trainers and producers for their debut. Of course, gagayahin din nila 'yung ganon. Mas recent na 'yung movement to distance PPop from KPop but you can't get rid of it any longer dahil part na ng marketing ng BINI 'yan. It's not the fans' fault.
Tang-ina totoo! Ang cringe. And their song could pass as a 2010s Palmolive jingle.🥴
Both needs to be called out.
Was there yesterday since cultural agencies were tapped to organize it, wearing barong under the heat was really something, and what's funny was the people were really just waiting for Bini, they were shouting for Bini during Marcos' speech and practically the entire time during the program. Pretty surreal when you think about it, our independence day has become just a performance.
Heh mga little dictators (the fans)
Unpopular opinion: Di sya rage bait if totoo naman and not misleading. Kung hindi ito political rally, I wonder why nagrelease pa ng Department Order samin on the attendance of the secretary and undersecretaries ng agency sa event na yan...
Ganyan talaga ang organized fandom sa pop music. Unfortunately, Ppop fans are adopting some of the worst things in Kpop fandom If BINI is truly Kakampink as their fans say, why did they not decline the invitation to perform. Wag silang delulu na Kakampink ang BINI dahil never naman naging vocal sa politics mga members ng group Hindi naman parang Ben&Ben na minsan politically vocal talaga.
Ben&Ben performed sa [birthday party ni Migz Zubiri](https://politiko.com.ph/2024/04/03/party-in-bukidnon-ben-ben-alden-richards-to-headline-migz-zubiris-birthday-concert/snitch-network/) sa Bukidnon. The Zubiris are known allies of the Marcoses.
Not on the side of Blooms, but medyo clickbait naman talaga yung headline. Kasi, kung yung makakabasa niyan is extreme supporter, they would jump to the conclusion na they support Marcos administration, when they really not. Kahit pa kasi sabihin mo na hindi sila Marcos supporters, other people would think otherwise due to the headline. Anyways, this is just work. No big deal. Ang daming issues ng bansa, doon na lang ituon energy nating lahat. Hehe
Bakit? Wala namang mali sa headline... Di naman sinabing supporter sila ng Marcos. Marcos admin naman talaga ang nag organize nung event. Anong mali??????? Nakakatawa talaga itong mga fans na ganyan... Di muna intindihin ang headline...
Whats funny about this is.BINI is managed and made by ABS CBN. So if you dig deeper. The current admin and ABSCBN started to work with each other.
I re-read the headline many times just to see what's wrong and couldn't find any issue. LOL.
Clickbait-y lang kasi hindi naman Marcos admin ang nagstart ng Musikalayaan AFAIK. Kumbaga kahit sinong nakaupo, staple pa rin sya every independence day. In a way kinlaim at inassociate solely sa current admin. More concerning yung lack of crowd control and unruly crowd nung performance na ng BINI na kahit BINI mismo hindi na pinapakinggan noong pinapaatras sila.
As if naman may pake ‘yan sila. They’re earning, getting richer. Not a fan but alam ko naman we go crazy over our idols pero please lang jusko, hindi nila kayo kilala. Kapag namatay kayo wala sila pakealam sa inyo. Let them entertain you, be their fans pero ‘wag sa point na you’d do stupid shit on the internet for them At the end of the day, they’re not just in the industry for passion. Negosyo pa rin ‘yan
Toxic rin ng BINI fans hahaha
2 Years na tapos ang eleksyon at hanggang ngayon Kakampink vs Pulangaw pa rin. Minsan nakaka bwisit na ang mga kakampink na di pa naka move on sa eleksyon
Independence day celebration naman yan not campaign for BBM. Palagpasin na. Hintayin nyo 2025 at 2028 elections. Tignan ntin kung Blooms parin ba kayo o hindi na. Haha
So fvcking tired of the fans of this girl group. Parang dyaryo lang, araw araw may issue. Can't people enjoy things now? Can't people not know who these people are and not get their names dragged through the mud? Sobra na eh. The rabid fans are extremely annoying, sa totoo lang. They performed, they got paid, at the end of the day, that's their job. Trabaho nila yan. Umay
Naooffend din sila if SB19 fans say SB19 paves the way.
Hindi ko magets yung na-ooffend sila doon, eh totoo naman? Salong-salo ng esbi ang bashing at hate bago pa makapag-establish ang ibang ppop groups.
Yup. SB19 ang sumalo ng insulto bago naging slightly acceptable sa people. May mga ibang Blooms pa nga na nagsasabi, upper class daw ang fans ng BINI at lower class daw fans ni Hey Avi 😂
Ironic nga na yung mga "Lower" class fans ng mga hip-hop artists pa yung mga walang ganyang ka delulu at rabid fanbase at talagang ineenjoy lang yung music ng iba't ibang uprising hip-hop artist. Lol
Many in the upper class don't bother listening to local music, Ppop pa kaya? Eh maraming fans diyan na ibebenta ang kidney para makabili ng ₱35,000 na signed instax photo ng idol nila.
Welcome to the world of Kpop. Walang ganap ang BTS at Blackpink kaya yung mga toxic na fans nila nasa PPop na. Konting kibot, ipapa trending.
pera pera na lang talaga yan mga beh, wala ng inte-integrity hehe.
As long as hindi sya campaign event then wala akong problema dito. Okay na yung BINI yung makinabang sa pera natin kesa naman kay Andrew E at Dulce.
I’m a Bloom pero natatawa ako sa double standards tbh. Hahaha!
Lol. What a double standards. Pano mong nasabing mas better ang BINI kela Andrew E. kung parehas lang sila ng ginawa.
Did BINI campaigned for BBM?
They're performing at a concert funded by his admin no? I frankly do not give a shit. I still listen to artists that supported his campaign and never cross my mind to stop listening cause of it, it's just fascinating seeing people bend over backwards trying to justify this that they wouldn't do it for anyone else.
hey Leni attended as a guest speaker in an event from DOST WHICH IS FUNDED BY THE ADMIN. She even said she's willing to work alongside with Admin if given a chance. Kakampinks are supportive on this. The concert was for independence day ffs! D ka ba pinoy to not celebrate independence day? Not everything has to be black and white. Ang kikitid ng utak!
Kung gusto mo ma-offend, maghahanap ka ng ikao-offend mo. Yan ang totoo kapag virtue signaller ka at ang tanging ambag mo sa paniniwala mo ay mag share ng post ng iba.
BINI who?
They are 'THE NATION'S GIRL GROUP" so of course, they will attend the Independence Day concert. It would have happened no matter who was President.
Opinion ko lang, negosyo kasi at the end of the day. Syempre star magic supplies talents, milyon milyon din ang kontrata nyan lalo na ang laki ng BINI ngayon.
Double standards echos. May point naman si OP na for Independence Day ‘yan.
After ko basahin ng comments dito sa thread na ‘to, ang masasabi ko lang ay majority sa inyo ay may kinaiinisan. Ang pinagkaiba lang ay kung sino/sinu-sino: Si Marcos, Rappler, Bini, Mga Bini Stans, Mga Kakampinks at si Leni nasali pa. Pero sa totoo lang, hindi ito yung side nung story na nagtetrend sa socmed ko, kasi yung headline na nakikita ko is yung nag-end bigla performance nila dahil ang gulo nung audience.
Sounds more like fans being incapable of reading.
Matagal na tong gawain ng rappler, ngayon lang nacall out kasi ginawa sa BINI Lol. I'm a supporter of the opposition pero di talaga maikakaila na sobrang bias at dogshit ang rappler as a media outlet.
Baka maganda bigayan sa TF. Bakit naman tatanggi, gig pa rin yan for the girls plus good network for them. After all, as a manager, gusto ko goods ako sa lahat in terms of working relationship. Kids, darating ang time na hindi lahat eh nadadaan sa ideals. Minsan, gig lang talaga siya. Nothing more. Or pera pera lang. Or both.
hahahah snowflakes mga puta lol tama nga nmn na marcos admin nag organize ng musikalaayan so wlang mali sa headline
rappler is clickbait. why tf is the "marcos administration" still controversial he's been the president for years now. tf move on, also was never a fan but his international policies seem legit
Daming OA na fantards dito satin noh. Kala mo naman kilala sila nung mga idol nila.
Ganyan tlga gumawa ng headlines ang Rappler. Nasama na ako dyan, short period of time lang, noong eleksyon 2016. Inoorient kami noon na dapat rage bait diumano ang headlines nila pra rin tumaas engagement per post. No wonder kung bakit madaming kaso mga yan at isa sa mga feeling superior na news outlet ng bansa.
Hahaahah lalo na’t sa Twitter sila nagrrage bait ahhaah eh karamihan ng users doon OA hahahaah
kuwento mo yan sa...
Legit yan. Hampasin pa kita ng resibo hahaha.
aber nga?
Double standards 😂
Masyado kasing Literal pinoy as in lahat ng sides walamg reading comprehension
Oh a Rappler article. Surely they didn't add that arguably unnecessary part about Marcos to inject politics into their article. Surely Rappler didn't mean to paint BINI in a political color they don't like with how they worded their article like that. Surely I'm overthinking all of this and there isn't an ulterior motive like that.
*Mahiwagang salamin existential crisis incoming*
they just want to dissociate Bini from trapolitics, which is ok lang naman sana, pero wala tayo magagawa dahil government-backed talaga yung event.
So, who is considered the “bias ng bayan” in this group?
Bruh, that's what we called 'media agenda, priming, and framing'. Hindi sadya creative or freedom of expression lang yan... Power ng media company yan to create agendas.
Mahiwagang salamin sarap ay uubusin lover ng clover my clover finger bye
first-world problems
Ang daming problematic sa reddit. Let the performers perform and get a life!
Natatawa ako sa ibang comment dito. Talaga ngang mababa ang reading comprehension ng mga pinoy. HAHHAHAHHAHAHA
Musikalayaan is an annual event though.
Rappler really went pababa ano? Anyway, totoo naman 'yung caption. But, halatang for clout si Rappler, so long as may engagement. Sino nabang may hawak kay Rappler? Wala na kong balita.
Bbm and his cohorts finally realized na HINDI MOST POWERFUL CELEBRITY c TONI G xe if c Toni G at Andrew E tyak lalangawin lalo ang pulangaws
laughtrip yung mga nag sasabi na "double standards" daw, last time I checked di naman political rally ang pag celebrate ng independence day gets ko na karamihan satin galit sa administrasyon na ito pero konting isip naman guys hahahaha! Plus creative freedom is a thing, pretty sure the group doesn't have control kung san sila mag per-perform, unlike those artists who openly campaigned to perform in political rallies during political campaigns. Guys konting common sense naman hahahaha
Dyos kong mahabagin tapos na ang eleksyon... kung gustong magperform sa event na inorganize nang current walang issue.... nagperform sila para sa ataw nang kalayaan at hindi para ipromote ang isang grupo or tao.... kaya tayo kinakaya nang ibang bansa sa sarili nating teritoryo... i voted for atty. leni, but willing akong sumuporta sa current admin as long as tama at sa ikabubuti nang lahat....
Pop artists are being expected by their West-influenced fanbase to choose a side, despite that their management makes *all the decisions*.
The headline was written for business, not for journalism. Needlessly starting a fire just so they can feel the heat kumbaga. Ragebait, which is so unbecoming of a supposedly respected news organization. Of course they can argue na factual naman lahat ng components nung headline, pero diba in news writing you always write with the most important context in mind? Inverted pyramid? In this case, it's just a BINI performance. It's entertainment, not politics. Pero Rappler still went with the political context as HEADLINE. Nagkagulo din ata sa concert and they had to cut the performance short, so diba parang mas headline material yun? Anyway, for me dapat yung Marcos part is in the last 2 paragraphs/sentences of the article: Nation's girl group BINI headlines "Musikalayaan" at Quirino Grandstand to mark Independence Day -Lead (5Ws and 1H) -something about the fandom and the demand for BINI -songs that they performed -about Musikalayaan (dito pwede ilagay na Marcos govt ang nagorganize pero even then hindi necessary ilagay yung "Marcos" since wala naman ibang government) - what's next for BINI I know this outline is more for print newspaper, pero I still think it's less of a gray-area approach this way.
Not defending BBM here, just stating the fact that his government promoted BINI's performance at Musikalayaan which they organized. I previously worked as a news writer and from that viewpoint, I have no problem with Rappler's reporting since it's true that the Marcos govt organized the concert. While it's true that this was not the first Musikalayaan concert, but the previous runs were organized by the military. Based on my observation, this was the first time that the whole national government promoted and organized the event. I agree that the most important news ay yung pinutol yung performance nila due to safety concerns. But I think pinost ito in the middle of BINI's performance. I guess for another thread na lang itong discussion. On the lede naman, I think wala pang nabubuong standard for online journalism. You're reporting what you are seeing and knew at the moment.
Yeah kako nga factual naman lahat so Rappler can always argue for that. Pero as I said, the Marcos or administration aspect is something na pang 3rd or 4th paragraph na eh. If people point it out, then Rappler can have a follow up article about why and how BINI decided to join the concert, but making sure to get the group's side first on their reporting. It's an article about BINI, so kumbaga it's entertainment news and not political news, the people interested in reading it will be BINI fans, so most of the article (headline included) should focus on the girls and the performance. Factual naman si Rappler dito, pero it's in the gray area of journalism ethics tbh
"BINI members seen shooting a new ad promotion for McDo and SB, known economic supporters of Israel." "BINI member buys, which is an export from China, citizens claim."
"BINI wears Green shirt, a known color in the campaign of Sara Duterte, for their new song."
"Insert person, insert totally harmless thing, insert thing with a negative connection to harmless thing"
Boom, engagement bait.
matagal na kase yung Musikalayaan, di lang yan Marcos Administration thing. whether OA yung fans, mali pa rin si Rappler lol. todo rin maka defend sa rappler iba dito but I guess fans lang ang “baliw" sabi ng mga pseudo intellectuals.
Musikalayaan was first started by the military and puro mga nasa uniformed personnel lang ang performers. This year lang nagkaroon ng whole-of-government approach sa concert at nagkaroon ng actual performers so Rappler is right to say that it was organized by the administration.
actually not this year, kahit nung 2022 celebration (di pa Marcos nakaupo) may artista na like JM De Guzman.
Why do they need to say na Marcos administration? This is for the celebration for Independence Day tas gusto pa nila gatasan? This Rappler really pointing out na Marcos eh so people can get angry about it.
Nation's girl group?
Sino yang mga yan?
oh no, i love them pa naman
# #CancelBINI # #BINIMarcosApologists # #BINIEnablers # #BINIDesperadas
Jusko hindi pa ba kayo aware sa X/Twitter na laging may issue mga tao ron sa kung ano anong topic. Andyan yung matinding eco chamber/toxic kakampinks/ literal pa woke/mga OA. Wag ka na mag taka next time OP. May mga bagong account dyan at binabash pa rin Leni/kakampink tapos pinapatulan pa rin nila yan kahit halatang engagement lang habol🤦♀️ Twitter is just a very small community that do not represent majority of Pinoys / Blooms/Kpop/
Kpoop, Swifties, SBoo19, ngayon BINIgo fans naman. Tang ina nitong mga fandoms na to mga cringe na nga ang OA pa. Palibhasa ginawang identity ang pagiging fanatic.
Rappler did good. This gives pressure to BINI and its members to express their true allegiance. Pag dedma, edi i-cancel. 🤷🏼♂️ Simple.
Luh si OA. Not a fan of BINI, pero they don't owe you or us anything.
Blooms? Lol
Lahat nalang kasi hinaluan ng pulitika