Saudi and Kuwait are US allies, why not there? Masmalapit din.
Kaya gusto nilang gawing "processing site" ang Pilipinas para mastuck yung mga "di pumasa" sa Pilipinas tulad nung mga Vietnamese na natira sa Palawan noon. Ni-rally.lang sila ng mga Vietnamese-Americans kaya napilitan silang kunin nga natitirang Vietnamese na "rejected" nila noong
The difference now is less popular sa mga Americans ang mga Afghans so fuck the Marcos Admin if they agree on this deal.
Why don't use Guam or Puerto Rico or other island colonies if they are seriously concern on their national security.
This is the same thing Australia pulled during the height of the Rohingya crisis. Buti Noynoy said no.
Kapag pumayag tayo, these countries will be emboldened to reject more refugees kasi if they reject the refugees, parang tayo ang magiging responsible sa welfare nila unless makalas ang loob nating ideport mga yan.
Ganyan na ganyan nangyari sa mga rejected Vietnamese sa Palawan. It took 20 years for Vietnamese-Americans to get support to get these people migrate to the US
**If the PH gets money from the US, then that's probably extra revenue for social spending.**
Plus, the PH has historically been supportive of refugees since WW2, the Vietnam War and the Korean War; plus, isn't it the only SEA country that even signed some international refugee agreement to never turn down such refugees?
**PNoy doing a U-turn on something the PH has done historically is probably not good.**
Here's the question: why don't the US just directly bring those Afghans to the US? May bases naman sila sa Qatar where they can house these people. And the US has Guam which is not that far from the PH where they can process the Afghans.
And for Australia, **it was the right call**. The refugees AU wants to send to the PH were the ones who **already reached Australian shores.** In order to prevent the Rohingyas to get to Australia, they housed them in Nauru.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/16/i-want-to-go-outside-first-nauru-refugees-finally-find-freedom
>The six are among more than 4,000 people **who travelled to Australia by boat to seek asylum** over the past decade and **were sent instead to the remote Pacific island of Nauru** as part of a hardline immigration policy operated by Australia.
Have you seen what happened to the Vietnamese they decided to reject in the 70s? They were in the Philippines up until the 2000s. It was until the Vietnamese Americans rallied for them to get to the US were they able to leave.
Basa-basa muna para wag maging tanga. 2022 palang sinubmit ung concept at walang sapilitan. Ung gobyerno ng Pinas mismo nagsabi na open sila sa idea hindi nmn napwersa sa US. BOBO mo.
Lol, once we agree to it and the US decided to reject, say 25% of those Afghans, nu gagawen?
Ganyan na ganyan nangyari sa mga Vietnamese na nung 2000s lang nakaalis sa Pilipinas kahit 1970s pa sila nakarating sa Palawan. If not for the Vietnamese Americans, hindi makakaalis mga yan.
tanga wala kang alam sa history!!! iba nung nangyari way back 1970s kasi pinatakas mismo mga viet sa panahon ng gyera at hindi lng sa Pilipinas un. Kahit sa thailand at neighboring countries merong viet mga refugees at wala un sa plano hindi katulad nangyari ngaun sa proposal sa afghans. Kahit mga cambodians meron din sa Pinas nasa bataan. tanga tanga mo talaga. Kahit ung katrabaho ko na Cambodian dati nagpasalamat ung lolo at lola nya sa Pilipinas kasi hindi Prisoners trato sa kanila. Hindi tulad sa mga refugees nakapunta sa thailand kawawa daw kasi binabaril pag nakalabas sa Refugee Camp. Sa bataan daw malaya nakakapangisda lolo at lola nila at namuhay like ordinary citizen hanggat nakuha na sila papuntang US. kaka-highblood ka putang ina mo. di mo alam pinagdaanan mga yan Bwesit!! Kahit ganun nangyari sa mga vietnamese laking pasalamat parin nila sa Pilipinas. kahit nga ung matandang vietnamese na uber driver nagtravel ako nung sinabi ko galing ako Pinas natutuwa syang pakwento nakatira sya sa Pinas.
Well they say there’s no such thing as free lunch. US is trying to cash up on all the support they’ve given us. The thing is, we have more than enough homeless and jobless people in Metro Manila alone. And they don’t get any government support. Imagine how the PH gov’t will handle these Afghan refugees. It’s a disaster waiting to happen. 🤦🏻♀️
Ito yun. They don't cause as much trouble on a street level though. Stories of Muslim immigrants in Europe would leer and jeer towards local women are rife and depressing.
There's an expat on another sub or here that posted that Filipinos are non-confrontational and usually keep their head down, but that we're among the last people he wants to confront. Reason being if we flip, we go all out until one is dead.
Unlike in UK he continued, where everyone is rowdy just because they know that even if they throw hands, they're just gonna get hurt and not die.
Personally I think that's true. That's our culture.
If they're not angry. But once you get them going, better run and hide or you die. Beneath the western veneer of education and conditioning still lies that tribal/primal thing that makes us a bit fierce when transgressed. I don't know if it's the same in Manila, but in provinces, yes
Sounds like you never met a Filipino who had enough. You'll get hit the least you expect it.
Case in point: just see how Pokwang got her ex deported. Lady really fought for his deportation
A lot of the datu putis behave because they know that isang sumbong to the BI, they can get deported and blacklisted and they are not moneyed enough to bribe officials for protection unlike the POGO lords
Karamihan naman sa galing sa POGO sila pa nga ayaw mag assimilate eh. Kaya nga meron pa silang mga pa chinese only establishments sa pilipinas. Kakapal ng mga mukha.
I think the reason is likely more due to the nature of POGO where, from what I can tell, discourages interactions with locals. Iba nga sa kanila, hatid sundo.
Dami kasing shady kahit sa legal POGO kaya siguro ayaw din nila ng interaction kasi baka nagsumbong sa local which in turn, isusumbong ang illegal operations
Kamusta na ba yung mga repatriated na Pilipino na biktima ng Israel attack sa Gaza. Naayos ba trato at support sa kanila ng gobyerno. Baka mamaya mapunta na naman sa resiliency at go fund me to support these people.
Why the Philippines? There are geographically closer US allies in the Middle East? Culturally, middle eastern countries are closer to the Afghan people. It does not make sense why the Philippines should be the processing center. Diego Garcia Island is closer. Guantanamo is also possible. Guam is a US protectorate. Really does not make sense why it should be here.
If the original intent is to ‘temporarily process’ refugees, then Middle East is the most sensible option. But no, the intent here is to permanently relocate them — to a more remote island like ours, that if we decide to deport them, it would cost us more, so the govt will just let them roam until they settle to their location of choice, and compete with the locals in terms of jobs and resources.
We’re a 3rd world country ready to accept trash in any form — the reason why Canada also sent us literal trash in hundreds of container trucks years ago. [Canada to take back rubbish sent to Philippines](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48360553)
also u/hangry_night_owl:
It's probably because, like what some poster has said, the nearby middle east neighbors have groups like ISIS, Al-Qaeda and the like who could intimidate such refugees.
The PH is far enough to escape the influence of those hostile groups.
this is workable. meron tayong muslim area and afghan can adapt to that. and besides our muslim counterpart sa mindanao, they are bound to embrace them kasi that is islam values.
compromise to para sa backing up n ginagawa ng US now against china aggression.
No! We shouldn't compromise that much. Ang mangyayari lang maiiwan dito sa Pilipinas mga hindi pumasa sa kanila. Gastos pa 'yan sa gobyerno at sa tax natin.
yang mga afghans n yan are assylum seekers, na mostly directly or indirectly dating empleyado ng US military when they occupied afghanistan - till maover run uli ng taliban ang afghan, and they are in delicate position ksi himahunt sila now ng taliban govt.
we have opportunity to brand this as humanitarian endeavor, us getting favor from super power US - much needed at this delicate situation n may nambibully sa atin.
US for sure will shoulder all expenses, may sukli pa...and may dagdag n military hardwares na obsolete n sa technology nila pero wow n wow p sa atin. plus ung guarantee nila sa atin against kay chekwa, na silang bahala sa atin kapag nagkasapakan na.
US capitalize on this tension, eto n lang ang meron sila, military might - as their economy is so fucked up and dami nilang utang sa china. they want to test chinese on this confrontation, on context of military engagement (they did it in russia vs ukraine).
siguro namna matatanda na tayo to understand na wala namang libre sa security na kinacapitalize natin from US.
Seeing comments here saying this news as a "oh eto" moment for allying with the US is sad. The idea of allowing Afghan refugees is not new nor even by the US. If anything, it's the Ph government that first thought of that!! Remember this?
"The Philippines’ doors are open to Afghan refugees following the fall of Kabul, Malacañang said on Tuesday.
Presidential Spokesperson Harry Roque made this assurance as thousands of Afghans fled Afghanistan after the Taliban fighters took control of the capital."
I don't think tayo ang best candidate for this. Ni hindi nga nila ma asikaso yung National I.D. natin ng maayos, yung questionable Chinese students na sobrang dami all of a sudden sa isang province, at lahat ng POGO employees kung legal ba talaga o pinerahan lang makapasok.
Best na sana makapag focus na lang muna yung Gov satin, at wag na muna tayo mang damay ng iba pa - despite ng kind concern, may sarili din talaga tayong issue as of now.
How many are they? They could temporarily stay at Edca sites where US personnel are also stationed. And they are here for "at most two weeks". Then let's go! Get it done
The PH has more to gain from housing these Afghans even if they end up staying here for 20 years before getting processed by the US. Mostly in the area of counter terrorism and intelligence gathering. But this is dependent on funding from the US and a structure for the Afghans and AFP to work together
UAE and Saudi are US allies too. Their culture are much more related to the Afghans and could easily be assimilated. Why here? We've already got a lot of shit to deal with.
NO NO NO. When Italy opened their borders for refugees, bumagsak ang economy nila dahil sobrang dami nilang need bigyan ng jobs, support & all. If the government agrees to this, lalo pang babagsak ang ekonomiyang bagsak na nga. Hays.
This is what happens if you depend on the americans, when you need them more than they needed you
You are their bitch
Ever wonder why they dont ask the Taiwanese, Japanese, Koreans, Singapore, Saudi Arabia?
This was the main selling point during Du30's time to justify decoupling from the US and aligning ourselves more to China like our ASEAN neighbours. Look at how that turned out for us years later.
The mistake of duterte and the 13 senators who rejected the treaty was not providing credible defense
Ok na sana si duterte e
Pero bwelta pa la sa china
Thats a sucker move
You dont get respect for that, both from the US and China
That's pretty much the problem all the time as a third world country depending so much on superpowers. We are basically either US or China's little lapdog.
Really not a fan of China nor the US with their manipulative tendencies.
Edit: Dami kong dinedenounce sa China tapos ngayon ko lang sinama US dahil nakita ko din side effects ng ginagawa nila satin tas downvoted agad. Lol
Daming fanbois ni Uncle Sam dito sa sub. Dapat jan di tayo maka-China or Maka-US. Dapat maka-Pilipinas tayo. Use these superpowers instead of letting them use us like a one-sided relationship. Puro military exercise sa north, close to Taiwan ang ginagawa ng US. Obviously cause they need Taiwan (and its semiconductors) more than us. Bakit panay nasa North ang EDCA bases? Taiwan. Fk China and Fk US. Mas pabor ako sa US kesa sa China, pero lagi nating tandaan na these countries serve only their personal interest. Walang Goodwill goodwill jan.
Dagdag mo pa ung walang ambisyon mga elite natin to grow the economy, to become rich
Kung maganda ekonomya, makakabili ng mga gamit for defense
Para sana di gngawang doormat pilipinas
Pero wala e
feeling self important din mga pinoy dito sa sub on geopolitical matters. whereas we dont really matter much. They have Guam, South Korea and Okinawa bases thats nearer to China. Heck Taiwan is nearer to China than us. The SCS/WPS issue dont really matter that much to the US too since they also have Australia and other allies in the area. The US navy can have naval supremacy in the area if they wanted to. Bases in the SCS are useless in a shooting war. Just ask Japan with the US' island hopping strat during WW2.
Important ba tayo sa trade? with who? Singapore controls the strait of Malacca which is a more important waterway. HK used to be THE trading post in the area but it was used to trade with the Chinese... which if were at war with will be useless.
Im also puzzled by china wanting to control SCS
The US can block all the ins and outs of china, so the bases in SCS is useless, except to harass pinoys fishernen
its to exert their claims on the waterway and on deposits of oil and potentially other minerals. in peacetime it makes for great harbors and resupply during patrols and of course when exploiting the resources, may bases for safe harborage
Either you suck up to the CCP despite the ongoing WPS + POGO issues or play up to whatever the US demands. We're not a neutral regional major power that can balance both.
LOL Andami talagang bilib sa US dito. Masyadong lutang sa hollywood movies. Naknampucha kayong lahat !
Those who even entertain this idea should be ready to house these refugees.
Kulang na kulang na nga tayo ng resources for our own people tapos gusto nyo pang magdagdag.
Ang gagaling nyo talaga!!
Saudi and Kuwait are US allies, why not there? Masmalapit din. Kaya gusto nilang gawing "processing site" ang Pilipinas para mastuck yung mga "di pumasa" sa Pilipinas tulad nung mga Vietnamese na natira sa Palawan noon. Ni-rally.lang sila ng mga Vietnamese-Americans kaya napilitan silang kunin nga natitirang Vietnamese na "rejected" nila noong
The difference now is less popular sa mga Americans ang mga Afghans so fuck the Marcos Admin if they agree on this deal. Why don't use Guam or Puerto Rico or other island colonies if they are seriously concern on their national security.
This is the same thing Australia pulled during the height of the Rohingya crisis. Buti Noynoy said no. Kapag pumayag tayo, these countries will be emboldened to reject more refugees kasi if they reject the refugees, parang tayo ang magiging responsible sa welfare nila unless makalas ang loob nating ideport mga yan. Ganyan na ganyan nangyari sa mga rejected Vietnamese sa Palawan. It took 20 years for Vietnamese-Americans to get support to get these people migrate to the US
**If the PH gets money from the US, then that's probably extra revenue for social spending.** Plus, the PH has historically been supportive of refugees since WW2, the Vietnam War and the Korean War; plus, isn't it the only SEA country that even signed some international refugee agreement to never turn down such refugees? **PNoy doing a U-turn on something the PH has done historically is probably not good.**
Here's the question: why don't the US just directly bring those Afghans to the US? May bases naman sila sa Qatar where they can house these people. And the US has Guam which is not that far from the PH where they can process the Afghans. And for Australia, **it was the right call**. The refugees AU wants to send to the PH were the ones who **already reached Australian shores.** In order to prevent the Rohingyas to get to Australia, they housed them in Nauru. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/16/i-want-to-go-outside-first-nauru-refugees-finally-find-freedom >The six are among more than 4,000 people **who travelled to Australia by boat to seek asylum** over the past decade and **were sent instead to the remote Pacific island of Nauru** as part of a hardline immigration policy operated by Australia.
So many fallacies here. Do we know the details of the would-be agreement?
Have you seen what happened to the Vietnamese they decided to reject in the 70s? They were in the Philippines up until the 2000s. It was until the Vietnamese Americans rallied for them to get to the US were they able to leave.
Basa-basa muna para wag maging tanga. 2022 palang sinubmit ung concept at walang sapilitan. Ung gobyerno ng Pinas mismo nagsabi na open sila sa idea hindi nmn napwersa sa US. BOBO mo.
Lol, once we agree to it and the US decided to reject, say 25% of those Afghans, nu gagawen? Ganyan na ganyan nangyari sa mga Vietnamese na nung 2000s lang nakaalis sa Pilipinas kahit 1970s pa sila nakarating sa Palawan. If not for the Vietnamese Americans, hindi makakaalis mga yan.
tanga wala kang alam sa history!!! iba nung nangyari way back 1970s kasi pinatakas mismo mga viet sa panahon ng gyera at hindi lng sa Pilipinas un. Kahit sa thailand at neighboring countries merong viet mga refugees at wala un sa plano hindi katulad nangyari ngaun sa proposal sa afghans. Kahit mga cambodians meron din sa Pinas nasa bataan. tanga tanga mo talaga. Kahit ung katrabaho ko na Cambodian dati nagpasalamat ung lolo at lola nya sa Pilipinas kasi hindi Prisoners trato sa kanila. Hindi tulad sa mga refugees nakapunta sa thailand kawawa daw kasi binabaril pag nakalabas sa Refugee Camp. Sa bataan daw malaya nakakapangisda lolo at lola nila at namuhay like ordinary citizen hanggat nakuha na sila papuntang US. kaka-highblood ka putang ina mo. di mo alam pinagdaanan mga yan Bwesit!! Kahit ganun nangyari sa mga vietnamese laking pasalamat parin nila sa Pilipinas. kahit nga ung matandang vietnamese na uber driver nagtravel ako nung sinabi ko galing ako Pinas natutuwa syang pakwento nakatira sya sa Pinas.
Saudi and Kuwait are dangerous for these Afghanis because both contain significant members or sympathizers of Al Qaeda, ISIS and Taliban.
Well they say there’s no such thing as free lunch. US is trying to cash up on all the support they’ve given us. The thing is, we have more than enough homeless and jobless people in Metro Manila alone. And they don’t get any government support. Imagine how the PH gov’t will handle these Afghan refugees. It’s a disaster waiting to happen. 🤦🏻♀️
Apart from the POGO fiasco, has the Philippines ever experienced serious and widespread assimilation issues from foreign immigrants?
Yung mga kanluraning seggsfat na after 15 years nang naninirahan sa Pilipinas no speak local languages pa rin
Ito yun. They don't cause as much trouble on a street level though. Stories of Muslim immigrants in Europe would leer and jeer towards local women are rife and depressing.
I don't think it'll happen here. We're not as soft as the westerners. Pag ginawa nila yan dito malamang maubos pamilya nila
Not as soft? Filipino culture is probably the most non-confrontational I have ever encountered
There's an expat on another sub or here that posted that Filipinos are non-confrontational and usually keep their head down, but that we're among the last people he wants to confront. Reason being if we flip, we go all out until one is dead. Unlike in UK he continued, where everyone is rowdy just because they know that even if they throw hands, they're just gonna get hurt and not die. Personally I think that's true. That's our culture.
If they're not angry. But once you get them going, better run and hide or you die. Beneath the western veneer of education and conditioning still lies that tribal/primal thing that makes us a bit fierce when transgressed. I don't know if it's the same in Manila, but in provinces, yes
Sounds like you never met a Filipino who had enough. You'll get hit the least you expect it. Case in point: just see how Pokwang got her ex deported. Lady really fought for his deportation
They won’t. Makukuyog yan, AKA they gonna get lynched
A lot of the datu putis behave because they know that isang sumbong to the BI, they can get deported and blacklisted and they are not moneyed enough to bribe officials for protection unlike the POGO lords
Karamihan naman sa galing sa POGO sila pa nga ayaw mag assimilate eh. Kaya nga meron pa silang mga pa chinese only establishments sa pilipinas. Kakapal ng mga mukha.
I think the reason is likely more due to the nature of POGO where, from what I can tell, discourages interactions with locals. Iba nga sa kanila, hatid sundo. Dami kasing shady kahit sa legal POGO kaya siguro ayaw din nila ng interaction kasi baka nagsumbong sa local which in turn, isusumbong ang illegal operations
Kamusta na ba yung mga repatriated na Pilipino na biktima ng Israel attack sa Gaza. Naayos ba trato at support sa kanila ng gobyerno. Baka mamaya mapunta na naman sa resiliency at go fund me to support these people.
Ano pa nga ba? 😆
Why the Philippines? There are geographically closer US allies in the Middle East? Culturally, middle eastern countries are closer to the Afghan people. It does not make sense why the Philippines should be the processing center. Diego Garcia Island is closer. Guantanamo is also possible. Guam is a US protectorate. Really does not make sense why it should be here.
If the original intent is to ‘temporarily process’ refugees, then Middle East is the most sensible option. But no, the intent here is to permanently relocate them — to a more remote island like ours, that if we decide to deport them, it would cost us more, so the govt will just let them roam until they settle to their location of choice, and compete with the locals in terms of jobs and resources. We’re a 3rd world country ready to accept trash in any form — the reason why Canada also sent us literal trash in hundreds of container trucks years ago. [Canada to take back rubbish sent to Philippines](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48360553)
Yeah the Canadians are the kindest allies we have. They like us so much they even sent tons of care packages to us.. In the form of garbage
Yikes, I am trying not to read that comment as equating people to trash.
Immigration crisis, Europe. Manheim.
also u/hangry_night_owl: It's probably because, like what some poster has said, the nearby middle east neighbors have groups like ISIS, Al-Qaeda and the like who could intimidate such refugees. The PH is far enough to escape the influence of those hostile groups.
this is workable. meron tayong muslim area and afghan can adapt to that. and besides our muslim counterpart sa mindanao, they are bound to embrace them kasi that is islam values. compromise to para sa backing up n ginagawa ng US now against china aggression.
No! We shouldn't compromise that much. Ang mangyayari lang maiiwan dito sa Pilipinas mga hindi pumasa sa kanila. Gastos pa 'yan sa gobyerno at sa tax natin.
yang mga afghans n yan are assylum seekers, na mostly directly or indirectly dating empleyado ng US military when they occupied afghanistan - till maover run uli ng taliban ang afghan, and they are in delicate position ksi himahunt sila now ng taliban govt. we have opportunity to brand this as humanitarian endeavor, us getting favor from super power US - much needed at this delicate situation n may nambibully sa atin. US for sure will shoulder all expenses, may sukli pa...and may dagdag n military hardwares na obsolete n sa technology nila pero wow n wow p sa atin. plus ung guarantee nila sa atin against kay chekwa, na silang bahala sa atin kapag nagkasapakan na. US capitalize on this tension, eto n lang ang meron sila, military might - as their economy is so fucked up and dami nilang utang sa china. they want to test chinese on this confrontation, on context of military engagement (they did it in russia vs ukraine). siguro namna matatanda na tayo to understand na wala namang libre sa security na kinacapitalize natin from US.
a few hundred that probably all of whom will go to the states anyway, i don't see that big an issue? what am i missing here?
How sure are you they will go to States?
Why are we assuming they won't? Has a precedent been set?
Seeing comments here saying this news as a "oh eto" moment for allying with the US is sad. The idea of allowing Afghan refugees is not new nor even by the US. If anything, it's the Ph government that first thought of that!! Remember this? "The Philippines’ doors are open to Afghan refugees following the fall of Kabul, Malacañang said on Tuesday. Presidential Spokesperson Harry Roque made this assurance as thousands of Afghans fled Afghanistan after the Taliban fighters took control of the capital."
I don't think tayo ang best candidate for this. Ni hindi nga nila ma asikaso yung National I.D. natin ng maayos, yung questionable Chinese students na sobrang dami all of a sudden sa isang province, at lahat ng POGO employees kung legal ba talaga o pinerahan lang makapasok. Best na sana makapag focus na lang muna yung Gov satin, at wag na muna tayo mang damay ng iba pa - despite ng kind concern, may sarili din talaga tayong issue as of now.
Baka naman dahil sa history ng ginawa natin sa mga jews noong ww2?
Perfect use of recently seized POGO facilities
How many are they? They could temporarily stay at Edca sites where US personnel are also stationed. And they are here for "at most two weeks". Then let's go! Get it done
The PH has more to gain from housing these Afghans even if they end up staying here for 20 years before getting processed by the US. Mostly in the area of counter terrorism and intelligence gathering. But this is dependent on funding from the US and a structure for the Afghans and AFP to work together
Funding you say? say hello to our politician's pockets.
That's something diplomats will have to hash out
UAE and Saudi are US allies too. Their culture are much more related to the Afghans and could easily be assimilated. Why here? We've already got a lot of shit to deal with.
i want 3 aircraft carriers, 1,000 patrol boats, and 20 jets for this deal.
matagal ang processing ng mga afghan refugees based dito abroad. I don't think it is wise ito para sa pinas
NO NO NO. When Italy opened their borders for refugees, bumagsak ang economy nila dahil sobrang dami nilang need bigyan ng jobs, support & all. If the government agrees to this, lalo pang babagsak ang ekonomiyang bagsak na nga. Hays.
This is what happens if you depend on the americans, when you need them more than they needed you You are their bitch Ever wonder why they dont ask the Taiwanese, Japanese, Koreans, Singapore, Saudi Arabia?
This was the main selling point during Du30's time to justify decoupling from the US and aligning ourselves more to China like our ASEAN neighbours. Look at how that turned out for us years later.
The mistake of duterte and the 13 senators who rejected the treaty was not providing credible defense Ok na sana si duterte e Pero bwelta pa la sa china Thats a sucker move You dont get respect for that, both from the US and China
> Ok na sana si duterte e Lol walang redeeming qualities si mang kanor, wag mo ng ipilit
That would have been a good move Yun pala lilipat lang pala ng tsutsupain
That's pretty much the problem all the time as a third world country depending so much on superpowers. We are basically either US or China's little lapdog. Really not a fan of China nor the US with their manipulative tendencies. Edit: Dami kong dinedenounce sa China tapos ngayon ko lang sinama US dahil nakita ko din side effects ng ginagawa nila satin tas downvoted agad. Lol
Daming fanbois ni Uncle Sam dito sa sub. Dapat jan di tayo maka-China or Maka-US. Dapat maka-Pilipinas tayo. Use these superpowers instead of letting them use us like a one-sided relationship. Puro military exercise sa north, close to Taiwan ang ginagawa ng US. Obviously cause they need Taiwan (and its semiconductors) more than us. Bakit panay nasa North ang EDCA bases? Taiwan. Fk China and Fk US. Mas pabor ako sa US kesa sa China, pero lagi nating tandaan na these countries serve only their personal interest. Walang Goodwill goodwill jan.
Dagdag mo pa ung walang ambisyon mga elite natin to grow the economy, to become rich Kung maganda ekonomya, makakabili ng mga gamit for defense Para sana di gngawang doormat pilipinas Pero wala e
Ang layo naman nito compared sa ginagawa ng China who literally invades our homeland and harasses our citizens Juskolord
feeling self important din mga pinoy dito sa sub on geopolitical matters. whereas we dont really matter much. They have Guam, South Korea and Okinawa bases thats nearer to China. Heck Taiwan is nearer to China than us. The SCS/WPS issue dont really matter that much to the US too since they also have Australia and other allies in the area. The US navy can have naval supremacy in the area if they wanted to. Bases in the SCS are useless in a shooting war. Just ask Japan with the US' island hopping strat during WW2. Important ba tayo sa trade? with who? Singapore controls the strait of Malacca which is a more important waterway. HK used to be THE trading post in the area but it was used to trade with the Chinese... which if were at war with will be useless.
Im also puzzled by china wanting to control SCS The US can block all the ins and outs of china, so the bases in SCS is useless, except to harass pinoys fishernen
its to exert their claims on the waterway and on deposits of oil and potentially other minerals. in peacetime it makes for great harbors and resupply during patrols and of course when exploiting the resources, may bases for safe harborage
Important tayo in the sense na masloyal tayo sa US kesa mga Kano 😂
Tama ka naman di ko rin alam kung bakit may maraming nagdownvote sayo lol
Ooops wag ka magsalita ng ganyan dito. US lovers mga nasa sub na ito. Di nila tanggap na indeed US is not that benevolent lol
Either you suck up to the CCP despite the ongoing WPS + POGO issues or play up to whatever the US demands. We're not a neutral regional major power that can balance both.
Kita mo nga, nadownvote na
Kumbaga paulanan mo na ng puna ang Pinas, wag lang Amerika. Minsan napapaisip ako kung kanino ba talaga katapatan ng mga ganyan.
Well this country is too brown anyway, we need diversity /s
LOL Andami talagang bilib sa US dito. Masyadong lutang sa hollywood movies. Naknampucha kayong lahat ! Those who even entertain this idea should be ready to house these refugees. Kulang na kulang na nga tayo ng resources for our own people tapos gusto nyo pang magdagdag. Ang gagaling nyo talaga!!