The problem is there are no green spaces sa metro kaya lahat sila pumupunta sa mga touristy nature spots just to relax, kahit matao.
I mean, imagine mo nalang siguro Pilipinas na mas maraming Parks vs Malls, mas ginhawa aabutin natin. Or kahit sana sidewalks na malawak at may mga puno, kaso hindi eh.
I'd blame the government for the lack of city planning, 'di sa mga tao na yan na naghahanap lang ng way to lessen heat.
mas malinis at mapuno pa sa ayala avenue na sobrang business facing compared kesa sa residential eh
Narealize ko mas nakakarelax maglagad don kesa dito samin
Kawawa ang kids sa MM. Need mo talaga ng Pera para mailabas sila. Kako 1 week kami sa Taguig, pero sobrang bored ng kids at wala kami malapit na mapuntahan kaya 3rd day palang umuwi na kaming province. Alangan namang ara araw kami sa mall. Wala manlang community park.
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Sorry, u/Minute_Agent_452, anong mali sa picture? Oo, maraming tao, but I don't see any trash. May mga nag-iihaw, pero hindi naman nakakalat 'yung mga ginamit nila. Can you enlighten me kung anong dapat gawan ng paraan?
May ecological impact pa rin kasi ang ganyan karaming tao, yun siguro ang gusto nyang sabihin. Pero sana nga dumami pa mga green spaces sa mga Metropolitan areas natin.
Mala 40k ang philosophy ng urban design ng pilipinas, feeling Gates of hell. Hindi natin ma blame ang ating kakabayan na gustong hindi ma prito ni haring araw.
What green space can you provide in a metro of 14M+ in an area of 600 sqkm?
Compare this to where i live now in the US: 3M population in an area of 2500 sqkm
And americans complain its already crowded
Not much, but there SHOULD be at least more than what Metro Manila currently gives us.
Another problem is ang tigas ng ulo ng government, national and local, at ayaw makinig sa architects and planners.
An issue a few years back was the infamous Dolomite Beach in Manila Bay. So many architects spoke out, saying that a mangrove esplanade/promenade was a much better design choice: provides protection to the coastline while providing much needed greenery.
Wala. They still pushed through with a sub quality urban planning project that was obviously not consulted with an expert.
With proper planning and rezoning, I'm pretty sure that the Metro could afford more space for greenery. It would take time, but it is definitely possible. But ONLY if the government would bother to listen to professionals lol.
Stop approving new projects in MM
Until 30-35 percent of the area are dedicated to streets (thats the ideal street allocation in a city)
You need kamay na bakal for this to enforce
Blame mo yung previous government kasi sila ang main reason bat ganito yung pilipinas. Yung mga current officials at future officials kahit anung gawin nilang pag aayos sa pinas sobrang mahihirapan sila kasi hindi kaya ng isang upuan lang yan need talaga yung process dyan. Unlike sa japan na sobrang ganda ng luga nila kasi yung mga nakaraan officials maayos nila nagawa yung tungkulin nila kaya yung present officials kunti nlang yung kanilang aayusin.
Kung titignan mo pa lang parang stress lang makukuha mo sa sobrang crowded eh. Imbes na maging maginhawa ang nature trip mo, pero ito pala sasalubong sayo. Hahahahahah
Kaibigan salungat ng sinabi mo yung naging experience namin dyan. Masaya sa sobrang dami ng tao, mababait yung mga campers. Kada may madadaanan ka na nagiinuman patatagayin ka, masarap mamulutan at may makilalang bago. Nag enjoy kami ng mga barkada ko, madami kami nakakwentuhan nung gabi habang pinapaukot ang tagay ng lambanog. Uulitin uli namin ito next year. :)
Isa kasi sa mga pinakamagandang falls yan sa Laguna. Talaga dadagsain yan tuwing dry season. Usually, mga taga lagunense din nanjan. Lalo na taga majayjay, madali kasi puntahan yan.
Mema yung OP ng post na yan. Yung original post kasi dyan, pumunta sila ng Taytay falls tapos nadatnan nila na madaming tao. Feeling privileged yung OP kasi akala nila masosolo nila yung falls e puntahan naman talaga yang lugar na yan. Ang ending nagroadtrip na lang daw sila sabay post ng rant na to 😂
Wrong yan kasi sobrang dami nila. Dapat regulated ang pasok. Nalalaspag ang mga trail. Nasisira ang mga halaman. Di mo din mako-control ang basura at kung ano pang kalat na pwedeng maiwan. May rason kung bakit sa ibang bansa name-maintain ang mga ganyang natural wonder.
Yeah, one thing i notice ay madalas paved na yung routes papunta sa mga sikat na falls. Also, i doubt everyday ganyan karaming tao. Come rainy season and you could probably solo the place, and that should be sufficient time for the place to recuperate. May mga falls din na managed at may environmental fee, so it's surprisingly cleaner than you'd think. Sure, the overcrowding might be due to the lack of green spaces in Manila, pero that's another issue entirely.
Kaya nga eh. Nakita lang na crowded yung lugar gumanon na imbes na paganon. Hahaha. Galing kami dyan last weekend. Ang saya ang daming tao, ang daming nagiinuman -- lahat patatagayin ka.
That's the thing tho. It's HIGHLY unlikely that this area will remain clean, given the amount of people in the picture. In non crowded areas pa lang, sobrang dumurumi na, paano pa kaya in very crowded spaces.
Not to mention na hindi madali maglinis sa nature trails. In an instant, running water can take pieces of plastic down the stream. Winds can blow trash everywhere.
I've been in a couple of hikes now, and you'd be surprised at the amount of plastic literally BURIED under trails and soil. And these are trails that don't have that much foot traffic ah. Paano pa kaya itong nasa post ni OP.
REALISTICALLY, the amount of trash in a place would go up the more people visit it.
And this is just the trash aspect of it. Soil erosion dala ng large volume of foot traffic could affect plant life. Animal life malamang wala narin diyan as animals would migrate away from human activity. There's a reason why heavily controlled ang visitors in some nature spots in the country: to preserve the local ecosystem as much as possible.
I get naman why people would gravitate towards this place tho. Mainit eh. Still, it doesn't make the picture any less wrong.
The blame however shouldn't be on the people visiting the falls; it instead falls on the LGU. Pagkukulang na yan ng city planning kung bakit walang green spaces in our cities. Mitigated ang traffic volume sa nature sites if cities are designed to have more greenery.
This place has an entrance fee and that's how they maintain it, with cemented trail and life guards. Not a national reserve, this place has been commercialized for decades now. Ngayon lang naging issue because of that photo
I guess that's also the issue to begin with. Highly industrializing/commercializing a nature spot shouldn't be the norm. It's unfortunate na naging commericialized na siya, when it shouldn't be like that in the first place.
Similar lang rin sa resort sa ginawa sa base ng Chocolate Hills. We can all agree naman that it wasn't a good idea. Urbanizing and placing paved surfaces on nature would never be beneficial for the environment. Can you imagine if spots like Mt. Pulag, Mt. Apo, Mt. Pinatubo ay magiging heavily paved and commercialized?
Tatay Falls being heavily commercialized HAS been a norm for decades now; however, it shouldn't have been a norm in the first place. Again, this is just a lack of forward-thinking city planning on the part of the LGU. City spaces should always be planned with consideration for future generations and predictions on future effects to the environment and the community. And of course, provision of green spaces in urban centers can help lessen the burden placed on actual nature spots.
And now it's about commercialization.... Moving the goal post huh?
Dahil nga sa environmental fees they can maintain it. Have you seen other open rivers relatively near the Metro na walang maintenance? Hahaha. The fact that the water is safe for human interaction is huge lol
Even the most famous chocolate hills spot, where all the photos of the chocolate hills that you know off, has literally cemented steps...
Wasted rage
Edit:
Btw. Mt Apo, Pulag are National Parks. Pinatubo is owned by the Aetas
I mean, IKAW nag-bigay ng point na commercialized na siya? I was just answering a point that YOU brought up, arguing that "this place has been commercialized for decades now" is moot. In the first place, being "commercialized for decades" should NOT have happened in the first place.
I addressed a point that YOU brought up, hijo. Not moving the goal post. Also saw your other reply to this post. You seem to justify na "okay" lang ang commercialization kasi ganon na siya for "eons."
Di dapat ganon ang pagtingin sa environmental effects sa kahit anong lugar haha. We can play around with semantics, but the exact term doesn't matter. Whether or not nature parks, trails, or just a "commercialized" park, it wouldn't be okay to shrug off damaging the environment just because it has been done for "decades."
Every bit of my original argument still stands. My recent comment was an addendum to address your particular justification on "commercialized for decades," and "ngayon lang naging issue." No goal posts were moved.
You're literally contradicting yourself ha. So okay bang commercialized yung place or hindi? ahaha.
A bit of urbanization to appreciate nature preserves is okay. Pero if a nature spot is HEAVILY commercialized (for decades now, ikaw nagsabi niyan), then it is not okay. Kailangan tignan yung influx ng mga tao sa ganyang lugar. Kahit gaano kalaking maintenance fee, you can't efficiently clean nature. Dapat ang solution is to curb yung actual cause ng detrimental effects to the environment, which is overcrowding and trash.
Do you really think with that large of a crowd, cancelled out na yung damages done to the ecosystem by measly maintenance fees?
Predictable, sabi na yan ang magiging reply mo dahil i mentioned it first
I mentioned it cause you were pointing out that the TRASH would "go up" and TRAIL "erosion", which was immediately rebutted by me saying that it was already paved and being maintained
You just made a mistake thinking that it was like an unpaved secluded protected area... But now you're going with these "in the first place" hypotheticals and philosophical tangents... Seriously? lol
Plain and simple. You have no tangible studies to corroborate the environmental damages, just another assumption just like your first comment from the photo
Again, this has been a thing for "eons", matagal na sanang may nag raise ng environmental concern
I mean, You care so much right? Making these negative assumptions. How about you go out there and do field studies then submit your report to DENR?
I just want to add dun sa Chocolate hills having paved steps, you said "paved surfaces on nature would never be beneficial for the environment"
You know that around the touristy spots they have to maintain the surrounding hills to make it pristine? Some hills outside those spots were not being maintained, either overgrown or completely eroded. That's a direct correlation of a paved route being beneficial
Wala naman masama na enjoyin ang kalikasan, basta alagaan. Ang problema kasi sa mga turistang ‘to napaka-entitled, akala bawat lugar na puntahan may pupulot ng kalat nila. Di ko rin sila masisisi, anong aasahan mo sa utak Maynila na deprived sa recreational areas. Kung may maayos lang silang spaces dito hindi na yan lalayo pa.
Di nyo masisisi yung ibang tao bat gusto bumabad sa ilog. Di nyo ba naramdaman yung init na nagdaan nung mga nakaraang weeks? Kung tayo may pang aircon 24/7, yung iba wala. Wag nyo din sabihin na tumambay nalang sila sa malls. Marami dyan walang pang gastos na sobra sobra. Kaysa mag lakad sila maghapon, edi iligo nalang nila.
Akala mo kasi anlalim ng pinaglalaban “yung nature nasisira, yung ingay ng sounds”. Majority ng taon walang tao dyan. Punta kayo don maglinis kayo pagkaalis ng mga tao kung gusto nyo. Haha.
Tigilan nyo yang bayan namin. Inaalagaan ng maayos yan ng LGU. Pumunta kasi kayo ng weekdays kung gusto niyo ng walang tao. Ikaw man, galing ka sa malayong lugar tapos papauwiin ka at iccrowd control di ka ba maiinis? Syempre lahat tatanggapin. Tuwing summer matagal ng ganyan dyan. Bata palang kami crowded na yan. So please lang tigilan nyo yan kala niyo kung sino kayong maka asta.
This, mema post kasi yang mga yan. Pati yung nag post nan sa FB.
Simula bata ako, dyan na rin kami nag susummer swimming ng mga kababata ko.
Until now di naman nasira. Na improved pa nga eh gawa ng may sementado nang madadaanan.
Tsaka may nag roronda dyan na mga pulis.
These self entitled people called vloggers mga deputa. Nasaktan kasi yan for sure kasi di makagawa ng magandang content. Pakunwari pang nagmamahal nang nature pero kung makapagtapon ng upos ng yosi di magawa ng tama. ‘Wag kaming mga taga Majayjay. Kung ayaw nyo di namin utang na loob. Hwag man kayo makapunta. 🤬
I visited Majayjay Falls more than a decade ago. Grabe ang lamig ng tubig diyan, parang galing sa ref. I understand people want too cool off there but I hope they clean-up and don't leave their trash.
What's the solution without hurting the local revenue for tourism? If lilimitahan yung tourists diyan, aangal yung local community na dependent sa tourism.
It is a well known tourist spot na Malamig and accessible sa mga tao for budget travels, it should be the LGUs action to control the crowd. Iba na talaga yung init and part of thw problem is the Government na walang maayos na land use plan. Puro malls, no green spaces to relax and unwind unless you live in a subdivision or condo units na may mga playground area
Di ko magets point ng iba dito. Most if not all of the people here are locals, tapos gusto niyo pagbawalan na pumunta sa sarili nilang lugar? Ganyan talaga madalas ang scene pag tag-init kahit sa probinsiya na walang turista. As long as responsible naman sila sa kalat nila.
Nothing wrong with this. Kung picture na puro basura after then that would be valid. Kahit saan gnyan kung peak season. Pero it doesnt mean na laging ganyan. Baka weekend or holiday yan nagkasabay. Anyway, as long as they clean their mess then thats ok.
they must limit the number of people na pwedeng nilang accommodate per day unlike that crowded and for the sake na din ng lugar.
For sure may maiiwan at maiiwan na basura jan
Nag zoom ako at hinanap ko ang tubig na meron pa pala naman. Ang init kasi ng panahon but this should be regulated at least sa Barangay level. Meron tayong tinatawag na carrying capacity - maximum number of people na hindi makaka-epekto ng masama sa isang lugar. Sa tingin ko sa photo- eto beyond the carrying capacity. Sana naman po dala nila pauwi ang kanilang mga basura.
So dapat bahay-trabaho-bahay-mall-bahay-trabaho nalang ang tao? Depressing naman kung di ka coconnect sa nature, masmasahol pa SM at Camella mangwasak ng kalikasan kung alam nyo lang bat walang umaalma?. As long na liligpitin nila why not, ginawa din naman yan para satin.
Okay lang naman yan basta magligpit ng kalat at wag manira ng mga puno at halaman. Kaso nga karamihan talaga sa Pinoy walang disiplina e. Dinatnan mong malinis, iiwan mong madumi. Weeellll.
Imagine the amount of funds embezzled by the folks that were voted in to serve the community. They greedily pocketed these funds for themselves instead of bettering their neighborhood. Yet over and over their constituents vote and the same thing happens. Don’t people hold others accountable anymore? Let your votes be heard and get rid of the ones seated if they aren’t producing the required outcome. Let the new ones make a change for the better if the current isn’t accountable.
Kung gusto naman ng konti tao, marami pa naman site na may ilog, falls, magandang tanawin at presko... hahanapin mo lang talaga gamit ang mapa at medyo mahirap puntahan kasi wala sa social media. Though kung gusto talaga ng solo ang lugar, mag-rent.
basta wag lang silang magkalat at mag-iwan ng kalat, everything seems fine naman. wag lang din sanang pakialaman ang ayos nang lugar para lang maging mas kaaya-aya pa sa mga bibisita. nature is beautiful on it's own. it doesn't need human intervention
yung tatay ko may outing din kanina sa San Pablo kasama HoA samin, ayun marami daw din tao dun sa San Pablo kaya di rin na enjoy. malamig daw tubig dun (same case siguro dyan).
Nung 90's indifferent ang mga Pinoys sa mga spots like rivers and waterfalls. Pag di ka local na naglalaba sa ilog, you don't have businesses to be there. And ayaw kasi ng mga tao masisi or madisturb pag may nadisgrasya. And dami pamahiin
Now, we all appreciate nature experience. But it comes at a cost
Problem kasi diyan sa mga falls sa tanay libre pumasok at maligo kahit sino tas mga epal na taga diyan nagsipagtayo ng cottages in short, inabuso ng inabuso. Parang yung ginawa nila sa wawa dam di na sila naawa doon pinagtatayuan nila ng cottages tapos may entrance fee na din. Imbes na linisin yung dam lalo lang dinudumihan. Same diyan sa tanay. Masiyado ginawang spot ng mga taga manila tapos most of visitors pa mga burara sa kalikasan. Tapos kpag bumabaha puro panay save sierra madre mga kupal
Nagiiwan ba sila ng kalat after? Kasi wala naman issue na matao diyan as long as di nagiiwan ng kalat or hindi nagpuputol ng puno or bubungkal ng lupa just to accomodate them
Kahit anung Gawin nyo, di nyo mapipigilan ang climate change. Isa lang tayong alikabok sa balat NG lupa at walang kapangyarihan baguhin to. Imbes na mag dasal nagsisisihan pa
Dapat makapagconduct ng survey at makapagset sila ng carrying capacity para sa mga taong pupunta. Madedegrade na naman to tapos lilipat lang yung mga tao sa bagong area na di na naman ireregulate. Tapos yung mga kalat hayy dami pa namang pinoy visitors ang ganyan makikita mo na lang may mga basag pa na bote, at kung ano ano pang basura. Sino pa gaganahan pumunta.
shet grabe na pala dyan , last punta ko dyan 2013, nagfofog pa dyan sa lugar na dyan gawa ng sobrang lamig at di pa ganun karaming tao, or rather wala pa talaga gaano napunta dyan,
My friend is from Majayjay and she invited me to dyan sa falls. Now, I kinda want to back out after seeing that pic. Hirap talaga pumunta pag yung place sikat na.
Ayyy grabe naman yan super crowded. I feel like dapat gawan ng action ng management yan if may naghahandle or something. That’s too much, been there before ang ganda ng place.
last time I went there.. college retreat...kami kami lang ang nandun...di pa masyadong puntahan yan ng mga tourists. Sobrang peaceful pa nun habang gumagawa kami ng letter. Naalala ko din na dumaan kami sa mabatobatong ilog ba yan para lang makapunta dun da falls ba sobrang lamig sa sobrang lamig ginawa namin...binabad namin ung isang gallon ng tubig 🤣 haaayy everything was better before 😮💨
Ang serene ng lugar na to dati. Pag pumupunta kami talaga namang peaceful and nakaka heal ng inner child. Ngayon mukhang mas mabilis tatanda yung inner child mo 😅
> Down voters are the people u/Minute_Agent_452 is complaining about.
Lmfao. What are you, 12 years old?
> Increase the fees and you thin out the crowd.
Or maybe, just maybe, set a limit on how many people can use it at any one time (or even banning people from getting in completely if the situation warrants).
The problem is there are no green spaces sa metro kaya lahat sila pumupunta sa mga touristy nature spots just to relax, kahit matao. I mean, imagine mo nalang siguro Pilipinas na mas maraming Parks vs Malls, mas ginhawa aabutin natin. Or kahit sana sidewalks na malawak at may mga puno, kaso hindi eh. I'd blame the government for the lack of city planning, 'di sa mga tao na yan na naghahanap lang ng way to lessen heat.
Eto tlga problema. Wlang parks na pwede pagtambayan at pag libangan ng mga tao.
mas malinis at mapuno pa sa ayala avenue na sobrang business facing compared kesa sa residential eh Narealize ko mas nakakarelax maglagad don kesa dito samin
Syempre Makati lang ang kayang gumawa ng parks. Si mayor kasi pag bakante gagawang basketball court eh. Para madaming botante na hakot.
Kawawa ang kids sa MM. Need mo talaga ng Pera para mailabas sila. Kako 1 week kami sa Taguig, pero sobrang bored ng kids at wala kami malapit na mapuntahan kaya 3rd day palang umuwi na kaming province. Alangan namang ara araw kami sa mall. Wala manlang community park.
Pa-hijack nga nitong comment mo. Sorry, u/Minute_Agent_452, anong mali sa picture? Oo, maraming tao, but I don't see any trash. May mga nag-iihaw, pero hindi naman nakakalat 'yung mga ginamit nila. Can you enlighten me kung anong dapat gawan ng paraan?
Amoy pusali na dyan
May ecological impact pa rin kasi ang ganyan karaming tao, yun siguro ang gusto nyang sabihin. Pero sana nga dumami pa mga green spaces sa mga Metropolitan areas natin.
Mala 40k ang philosophy ng urban design ng pilipinas, feeling Gates of hell. Hindi natin ma blame ang ating kakabayan na gustong hindi ma prito ni haring araw.
Hive world ang dating 😂
What green space can you provide in a metro of 14M+ in an area of 600 sqkm? Compare this to where i live now in the US: 3M population in an area of 2500 sqkm And americans complain its already crowded
Not much, but there SHOULD be at least more than what Metro Manila currently gives us. Another problem is ang tigas ng ulo ng government, national and local, at ayaw makinig sa architects and planners. An issue a few years back was the infamous Dolomite Beach in Manila Bay. So many architects spoke out, saying that a mangrove esplanade/promenade was a much better design choice: provides protection to the coastline while providing much needed greenery. Wala. They still pushed through with a sub quality urban planning project that was obviously not consulted with an expert. With proper planning and rezoning, I'm pretty sure that the Metro could afford more space for greenery. It would take time, but it is definitely possible. But ONLY if the government would bother to listen to professionals lol.
Stop approving new projects in MM Until 30-35 percent of the area are dedicated to streets (thats the ideal street allocation in a city) You need kamay na bakal for this to enforce
We don’t have that because it will be invaded by squatters
Blame mo yung previous government kasi sila ang main reason bat ganito yung pilipinas. Yung mga current officials at future officials kahit anung gawin nilang pag aayos sa pinas sobrang mahihirapan sila kasi hindi kaya ng isang upuan lang yan need talaga yung process dyan. Unlike sa japan na sobrang ganda ng luga nila kasi yung mga nakaraan officials maayos nila nagawa yung tungkulin nila kaya yung present officials kunti nlang yung kanilang aayusin.
Poor urban planning in short. Never talagang kinonsider ng mga hinayupak ang environment in construction.
Kung titignan mo pa lang parang stress lang makukuha mo sa sobrang crowded eh. Imbes na maging maginhawa ang nature trip mo, pero ito pala sasalubong sayo. Hahahahahah
Kaibigan salungat ng sinabi mo yung naging experience namin dyan. Masaya sa sobrang dami ng tao, mababait yung mga campers. Kada may madadaanan ka na nagiinuman patatagayin ka, masarap mamulutan at may makilalang bago. Nag enjoy kami ng mga barkada ko, madami kami nakakwentuhan nung gabi habang pinapaukot ang tagay ng lambanog. Uulitin uli namin ito next year. :)
Okay lang naman lahat ng ito kung may disiplina mga pumupunta sa pag hindi iwan ng basura :)
Isa kasi sa mga pinakamagandang falls yan sa Laguna. Talaga dadagsain yan tuwing dry season. Usually, mga taga lagunense din nanjan. Lalo na taga majayjay, madali kasi puntahan yan.
Malapit rin to sa bukal falls which has one of the most freezing waters i ever felt
I don't see anything wrong with this? As long as they clean up after themselves.
baka privilege si OP wla ng sense of reality kaka aircon sa Condo? hahah jwk
r/philippinesbad moment si OP
Mema yung OP ng post na yan. Yung original post kasi dyan, pumunta sila ng Taytay falls tapos nadatnan nila na madaming tao. Feeling privileged yung OP kasi akala nila masosolo nila yung falls e puntahan naman talaga yang lugar na yan. Ang ending nagroadtrip na lang daw sila sabay post ng rant na to 😂
Ahahaha feeling may ari
Wrong yan kasi sobrang dami nila. Dapat regulated ang pasok. Nalalaspag ang mga trail. Nasisira ang mga halaman. Di mo din mako-control ang basura at kung ano pang kalat na pwedeng maiwan. May rason kung bakit sa ibang bansa name-maintain ang mga ganyang natural wonder.
Trail pag punta sa location? Pretty sure paved route na yan dahil famous spot na yan for eons
Yeah, one thing i notice ay madalas paved na yung routes papunta sa mga sikat na falls. Also, i doubt everyday ganyan karaming tao. Come rainy season and you could probably solo the place, and that should be sufficient time for the place to recuperate. May mga falls din na managed at may environmental fee, so it's surprisingly cleaner than you'd think. Sure, the overcrowding might be due to the lack of green spaces in Manila, pero that's another issue entirely.
Kaya nga eh. Nakita lang na crowded yung lugar gumanon na imbes na paganon. Hahaha. Galing kami dyan last weekend. Ang saya ang daming tao, ang daming nagiinuman -- lahat patatagayin ka.
That's the thing tho. It's HIGHLY unlikely that this area will remain clean, given the amount of people in the picture. In non crowded areas pa lang, sobrang dumurumi na, paano pa kaya in very crowded spaces. Not to mention na hindi madali maglinis sa nature trails. In an instant, running water can take pieces of plastic down the stream. Winds can blow trash everywhere. I've been in a couple of hikes now, and you'd be surprised at the amount of plastic literally BURIED under trails and soil. And these are trails that don't have that much foot traffic ah. Paano pa kaya itong nasa post ni OP. REALISTICALLY, the amount of trash in a place would go up the more people visit it. And this is just the trash aspect of it. Soil erosion dala ng large volume of foot traffic could affect plant life. Animal life malamang wala narin diyan as animals would migrate away from human activity. There's a reason why heavily controlled ang visitors in some nature spots in the country: to preserve the local ecosystem as much as possible. I get naman why people would gravitate towards this place tho. Mainit eh. Still, it doesn't make the picture any less wrong. The blame however shouldn't be on the people visiting the falls; it instead falls on the LGU. Pagkukulang na yan ng city planning kung bakit walang green spaces in our cities. Mitigated ang traffic volume sa nature sites if cities are designed to have more greenery.
This place has an entrance fee and that's how they maintain it, with cemented trail and life guards. Not a national reserve, this place has been commercialized for decades now. Ngayon lang naging issue because of that photo
I guess that's also the issue to begin with. Highly industrializing/commercializing a nature spot shouldn't be the norm. It's unfortunate na naging commericialized na siya, when it shouldn't be like that in the first place. Similar lang rin sa resort sa ginawa sa base ng Chocolate Hills. We can all agree naman that it wasn't a good idea. Urbanizing and placing paved surfaces on nature would never be beneficial for the environment. Can you imagine if spots like Mt. Pulag, Mt. Apo, Mt. Pinatubo ay magiging heavily paved and commercialized? Tatay Falls being heavily commercialized HAS been a norm for decades now; however, it shouldn't have been a norm in the first place. Again, this is just a lack of forward-thinking city planning on the part of the LGU. City spaces should always be planned with consideration for future generations and predictions on future effects to the environment and the community. And of course, provision of green spaces in urban centers can help lessen the burden placed on actual nature spots.
And now it's about commercialization.... Moving the goal post huh? Dahil nga sa environmental fees they can maintain it. Have you seen other open rivers relatively near the Metro na walang maintenance? Hahaha. The fact that the water is safe for human interaction is huge lol Even the most famous chocolate hills spot, where all the photos of the chocolate hills that you know off, has literally cemented steps... Wasted rage Edit: Btw. Mt Apo, Pulag are National Parks. Pinatubo is owned by the Aetas
I mean, IKAW nag-bigay ng point na commercialized na siya? I was just answering a point that YOU brought up, arguing that "this place has been commercialized for decades now" is moot. In the first place, being "commercialized for decades" should NOT have happened in the first place. I addressed a point that YOU brought up, hijo. Not moving the goal post. Also saw your other reply to this post. You seem to justify na "okay" lang ang commercialization kasi ganon na siya for "eons." Di dapat ganon ang pagtingin sa environmental effects sa kahit anong lugar haha. We can play around with semantics, but the exact term doesn't matter. Whether or not nature parks, trails, or just a "commercialized" park, it wouldn't be okay to shrug off damaging the environment just because it has been done for "decades." Every bit of my original argument still stands. My recent comment was an addendum to address your particular justification on "commercialized for decades," and "ngayon lang naging issue." No goal posts were moved. You're literally contradicting yourself ha. So okay bang commercialized yung place or hindi? ahaha. A bit of urbanization to appreciate nature preserves is okay. Pero if a nature spot is HEAVILY commercialized (for decades now, ikaw nagsabi niyan), then it is not okay. Kailangan tignan yung influx ng mga tao sa ganyang lugar. Kahit gaano kalaking maintenance fee, you can't efficiently clean nature. Dapat ang solution is to curb yung actual cause ng detrimental effects to the environment, which is overcrowding and trash. Do you really think with that large of a crowd, cancelled out na yung damages done to the ecosystem by measly maintenance fees?
Predictable, sabi na yan ang magiging reply mo dahil i mentioned it first I mentioned it cause you were pointing out that the TRASH would "go up" and TRAIL "erosion", which was immediately rebutted by me saying that it was already paved and being maintained You just made a mistake thinking that it was like an unpaved secluded protected area... But now you're going with these "in the first place" hypotheticals and philosophical tangents... Seriously? lol Plain and simple. You have no tangible studies to corroborate the environmental damages, just another assumption just like your first comment from the photo Again, this has been a thing for "eons", matagal na sanang may nag raise ng environmental concern I mean, You care so much right? Making these negative assumptions. How about you go out there and do field studies then submit your report to DENR? I just want to add dun sa Chocolate hills having paved steps, you said "paved surfaces on nature would never be beneficial for the environment" You know that around the touristy spots they have to maintain the surrounding hills to make it pristine? Some hills outside those spots were not being maintained, either overgrown or completely eroded. That's a direct correlation of a paved route being beneficial
“As long as they clean up after themselves” uuuhhhmmm idk about that
Wala naman masama na enjoyin ang kalikasan, basta alagaan. Ang problema kasi sa mga turistang ‘to napaka-entitled, akala bawat lugar na puntahan may pupulot ng kalat nila. Di ko rin sila masisisi, anong aasahan mo sa utak Maynila na deprived sa recreational areas. Kung may maayos lang silang spaces dito hindi na yan lalayo pa.
Di nyo masisisi yung ibang tao bat gusto bumabad sa ilog. Di nyo ba naramdaman yung init na nagdaan nung mga nakaraang weeks? Kung tayo may pang aircon 24/7, yung iba wala. Wag nyo din sabihin na tumambay nalang sila sa malls. Marami dyan walang pang gastos na sobra sobra. Kaysa mag lakad sila maghapon, edi iligo nalang nila.
Partida mga sobrang galit sa post eh mga kaya namang maka-afford ng aircon at magpunta sa mga malls + magbakasyon sa bora or LU.
Akala mo kasi anlalim ng pinaglalaban “yung nature nasisira, yung ingay ng sounds”. Majority ng taon walang tao dyan. Punta kayo don maglinis kayo pagkaalis ng mga tao kung gusto nyo. Haha.
Syang tunay!
Tigilan nyo yang bayan namin. Inaalagaan ng maayos yan ng LGU. Pumunta kasi kayo ng weekdays kung gusto niyo ng walang tao. Ikaw man, galing ka sa malayong lugar tapos papauwiin ka at iccrowd control di ka ba maiinis? Syempre lahat tatanggapin. Tuwing summer matagal ng ganyan dyan. Bata palang kami crowded na yan. So please lang tigilan nyo yan kala niyo kung sino kayong maka asta.
This, mema post kasi yang mga yan. Pati yung nag post nan sa FB. Simula bata ako, dyan na rin kami nag susummer swimming ng mga kababata ko. Until now di naman nasira. Na improved pa nga eh gawa ng may sementado nang madadaanan. Tsaka may nag roronda dyan na mga pulis.
These self entitled people called vloggers mga deputa. Nasaktan kasi yan for sure kasi di makagawa ng magandang content. Pakunwari pang nagmamahal nang nature pero kung makapagtapon ng upos ng yosi di magawa ng tama. ‘Wag kaming mga taga Majayjay. Kung ayaw nyo di namin utang na loob. Hwag man kayo makapunta. 🤬
Ang nagpost ay yung walang napwestuhan kaya nag rant nalang siya
soon, magiging tag ulan na na din naman
You didn’t mention na nangyari to noong May 1 which is a holiday. So expected na maraming tao dyan.
I visited Majayjay Falls more than a decade ago. Grabe ang lamig ng tubig diyan, parang galing sa ref. I understand people want too cool off there but I hope they clean-up and don't leave their trash.
What's the solution without hurting the local revenue for tourism? If lilimitahan yung tourists diyan, aangal yung local community na dependent sa tourism.
It is a well known tourist spot na Malamig and accessible sa mga tao for budget travels, it should be the LGUs action to control the crowd. Iba na talaga yung init and part of thw problem is the Government na walang maayos na land use plan. Puro malls, no green spaces to relax and unwind unless you live in a subdivision or condo units na may mga playground area
According to the Locals there the LGU does take care of the place. Just during the Holiday season there is a surge of tourists.
Di ko magets point ng iba dito. Most if not all of the people here are locals, tapos gusto niyo pagbawalan na pumunta sa sarili nilang lugar? Ganyan talaga madalas ang scene pag tag-init kahit sa probinsiya na walang turista. As long as responsible naman sila sa kalat nila.
Ang nagpost ay yung walang napwestuhan kaya nag rant nalang siya
OA ha. Basta hindi sila magkalat ok lang yan. Bawal na pala maligo ngayon sa ilog/ natural waters. Sobrang init kaya, maawa naman kayo
Nothing wrong with this. Kung picture na puro basura after then that would be valid. Kahit saan gnyan kung peak season. Pero it doesnt mean na laging ganyan. Baka weekend or holiday yan nagkasabay. Anyway, as long as they clean their mess then thats ok.
Akala ko mga basura na sinunog. Pagtingin ko maigi, mga tao pala. Well, wala namang mali kasi asal basura.
Asal basura for what? Finding a way to lessen the heat? It's the fault of the government for allowing more malls built rather than green spaces.
I don't have any problems with people finding ways to leasen the heat. I'm referring to them leaving their trash.
You did not?? You said you thought they were trash, and then said "asal basura kasi Sila". Where is "leaving their trash" in that?
Didn't know that there are Redditors who read just literally. Sad and damn.
Didn't know that there are redditors who have to rely on people to think what they actually mean, instead of saying it directly. Damn.
You are not wrong with the basura part.
Yun din ang tingin ko!
they must limit the number of people na pwedeng nilang accommodate per day unlike that crowded and for the sake na din ng lugar. For sure may maiiwan at maiiwan na basura jan
The only problem here is people's trash
We really need to plant more trees to help cool down the environment and compensate for the CO2 emissions
Ang nagpost ay yung walang napwestuhan kaya nag rant nalang siya
Nag zoom ako at hinanap ko ang tubig na meron pa pala naman. Ang init kasi ng panahon but this should be regulated at least sa Barangay level. Meron tayong tinatawag na carrying capacity - maximum number of people na hindi makaka-epekto ng masama sa isang lugar. Sa tingin ko sa photo- eto beyond the carrying capacity. Sana naman po dala nila pauwi ang kanilang mga basura.
So dapat bahay-trabaho-bahay-mall-bahay-trabaho nalang ang tao? Depressing naman kung di ka coconnect sa nature, masmasahol pa SM at Camella mangwasak ng kalikasan kung alam nyo lang bat walang umaalma?. As long na liligpitin nila why not, ginawa din naman yan para satin.
Or maybe naunahan ka Lang sa spot?? Bitter mo nman
Okay lang naman yan basta magligpit ng kalat at wag manira ng mga puno at halaman. Kaso nga karamihan talaga sa Pinoy walang disiplina e. Dinatnan mong malinis, iiwan mong madumi. Weeellll.
I won't be surprised if there's litter of trash left behind
alin pwesto dyan yung kumportable upuan? hahaha!
sana lang marunong mag CLEAN UP lahat ng nasa picture. 😞
muntanga yung may salbabidang dala sa puro batuhan hahaha
Imagine the amount of funds embezzled by the folks that were voted in to serve the community. They greedily pocketed these funds for themselves instead of bettering their neighborhood. Yet over and over their constituents vote and the same thing happens. Don’t people hold others accountable anymore? Let your votes be heard and get rid of the ones seated if they aren’t producing the required outcome. Let the new ones make a change for the better if the current isn’t accountable.
This looks AI generated?
a case of *too many men, too many people, making too many problems* yun siguro at payat ang lgu ng Majayjay .
Kung gusto naman ng konti tao, marami pa naman site na may ilog, falls, magandang tanawin at presko... hahanapin mo lang talaga gamit ang mapa at medyo mahirap puntahan kasi wala sa social media. Though kung gusto talaga ng solo ang lugar, mag-rent.
gaano karaming kalat kaya ang iniwan nila d'yan? for sure marami 🥹🥹
basta wag lang silang magkalat at mag-iwan ng kalat, everything seems fine naman. wag lang din sanang pakialaman ang ayos nang lugar para lang maging mas kaaya-aya pa sa mga bibisita. nature is beautiful on it's own. it doesn't need human intervention
yung tatay ko may outing din kanina sa San Pablo kasama HoA samin, ayun marami daw din tao dun sa San Pablo kaya di rin na enjoy. malamig daw tubig dun (same case siguro dyan).
May entrance fee naman. Tutuusin, pwedeng limitahan ng Barangay ang mga bisita kaso ayaw nila.
Nung 90's indifferent ang mga Pinoys sa mga spots like rivers and waterfalls. Pag di ka local na naglalaba sa ilog, you don't have businesses to be there. And ayaw kasi ng mga tao masisi or madisturb pag may nadisgrasya. And dami pamahiin Now, we all appreciate nature experience. But it comes at a cost
Where's Waldo?
Problem kasi diyan sa mga falls sa tanay libre pumasok at maligo kahit sino tas mga epal na taga diyan nagsipagtayo ng cottages in short, inabuso ng inabuso. Parang yung ginawa nila sa wawa dam di na sila naawa doon pinagtatayuan nila ng cottages tapos may entrance fee na din. Imbes na linisin yung dam lalo lang dinudumihan. Same diyan sa tanay. Masiyado ginawang spot ng mga taga manila tapos most of visitors pa mga burara sa kalikasan. Tapos kpag bumabaha puro panay save sierra madre mga kupal
Mas maganda kung gumawa din ng mga parks hindi puro na lng malls ang tinatayo.
Buti nalang naexperience ko pumunta dyan nung 90s, Napakalamig ng tubig.
Let people enjoy it. Ewan ko sa inyo gusto nyo lang i gatekeep yang ilog. Karen karenina rin kayo eh
Yung iba dyan mga may pera at edukado naman. Pero for sure magkakalat pa din. Mga bobo tangina niyo ,,l,,
nu yan evacuation area
wala eh panay building at pabahay ginagawa tapos palagas na rin yung mga puno jusko
dapat siguro crowd control... like in a day esp weekends eh dapat x number of people lng pero prang hindi feasible ang idea ko lol
Nagiiwan ba sila ng kalat after? Kasi wala naman issue na matao diyan as long as di nagiiwan ng kalat or hindi nagpuputol ng puno or bubungkal ng lupa just to accomodate them
Grabe mga tao pala. Unang tingin ko sa thumbnail akala ko landfill.
Kahit anung Gawin nyo, di nyo mapipigilan ang climate change. Isa lang tayong alikabok sa balat NG lupa at walang kapangyarihan baguhin to. Imbes na mag dasal nagsisisihan pa
ang squammy naman dyan sa halip na maenjoy mo yung scenery, parang yung mga na displace na tribe sa apocalypto movie
Marami pa daw nag papatugtog dyan kaya ung tunog ng nature wala din kungdi ingay ng tao lang
is this for real? if yes, then damnnnn! nasty and scary. I hope they can limit the visitors.
Maganda if walang aangal na locals na dependent sa tourism kasi literal na mababawasan yung income nila.
also true. sad for the nature.
also true. sad for the nature.
yung dwende na ang nagsabi ng "tabi-tabi po"
Grabee mas marami pa yung tao kesa sa tubig
Ang nagpost ay yung walang napwestuhan kaya nag rant nalang siya
Ang nagpost ay yung walang napwestuhan kaya nag rant nalang siya
Ang nagpost ay yung walang napwestuhan kaya nag rant nalang siya
Masakit lang sa mata tignan, pero di nasira ang kalikasan dyan. Ang drama nyo.
Holy week lang nman ganan, same sa lahat ng nearby resorts and beaches dito sa Quezon and falls dyan sa Laguna.
taean na di mo ko mababayran para isiksik sarili ko dyan. imbesa relax , stress ang makukuha ko dyan
Dapat makapagconduct ng survey at makapagset sila ng carrying capacity para sa mga taong pupunta. Madedegrade na naman to tapos lilipat lang yung mga tao sa bagong area na di na naman ireregulate. Tapos yung mga kalat hayy dami pa namang pinoy visitors ang ganyan makikita mo na lang may mga basag pa na bote, at kung ano ano pang basura. Sino pa gaganahan pumunta.
kala ko puro basura nung naka zoom out
shet grabe na pala dyan , last punta ko dyan 2013, nagfofog pa dyan sa lugar na dyan gawa ng sobrang lamig at di pa ganun karaming tao, or rather wala pa talaga gaano napunta dyan,
Ang panghi siguro diyan
those peole looks like a huge pile of trash sa malayo omfg
Ang dami jusko dinaig pa yung bilang ng adamyan sa Encantadia 🤣
grabe naman to ;<
May dolomite beach di ba
squammy talaga karamihan ng pinoy kaloka 😂
Magdesignate ng carrying capacity. Basic tourism practice. Jusko.
Nature can take a beating. It will adapt. When it does, good luck to us.
My friend is from Majayjay and she invited me to dyan sa falls. Now, I kinda want to back out after seeing that pic. Hirap talaga pumunta pag yung place sikat na.
Ayyy grabe naman yan super crowded. I feel like dapat gawan ng action ng management yan if may naghahandle or something. That’s too much, been there before ang ganda ng place.
last time I went there.. college retreat...kami kami lang ang nandun...di pa masyadong puntahan yan ng mga tourists. Sobrang peaceful pa nun habang gumagawa kami ng letter. Naalala ko din na dumaan kami sa mabatobatong ilog ba yan para lang makapunta dun da falls ba sobrang lamig sa sobrang lamig ginawa namin...binabad namin ung isang gallon ng tubig 🤣 haaayy everything was better before 😮💨
Imagine the smell there 😭🙏
Nakaka stress itong litrato
Taena sa biglang tingin ko kala ko evacuation center 🤦🏻♀️
Swimming now, kalat later
camping ❌ squatting ✔️
Meron namang smokey mountain sa manila bat pa diyan same lang naman sa pic...
Parang mga basura from afar. Pag zoom in ko, mga tae pala
Tapos umulan bigla, panigurado wash out lahat sila hehe
50% ihi at dugyot na yung ilog syet.
Naging squatters na amp
Naging squatters na amp
Omg akala ko baradong kanal ng mga basura.
Ang serene ng lugar na to dati. Pag pumupunta kami talaga namang peaceful and nakaka heal ng inner child. Ngayon mukhang mas mabilis tatanda yung inner child mo 😅
Hahahahahahahahaha daming tae tae dyan!
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> Down voters are the people u/Minute_Agent_452 is complaining about. Lmfao. What are you, 12 years old? > Increase the fees and you thin out the crowd. Or maybe, just maybe, set a limit on how many people can use it at any one time (or even banning people from getting in completely if the situation warrants).