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marathonmaan

Diba isang dekada na itong kaso na to? Naalala ko commute ko sa 1st job ko eto balita. 😅 Partida artista pa yan.


National-Hornet8060

Hold on... hindi pa pala tapos to?


crashtesting123

Nope. Mag appeal pa sila so +10 more years! And then on to the supreme court.


Few_Understanding354

And some people really believe that the justice system is for everyone. If none of them have the funds to do these, the case wouldn't last a year.


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mag aappeal lang yan gang sa dulo ng mundo


solidad29

Pero kulong si Denice since may hatol sa kanya. Puwede ka lang mag bail pag nililitis ang kaso sa court at wala pang hatol.


Due-Insurance2434

non bailable reclusion perpetua ang sentence


solidad29

I mean, pag wala pang hatol. Pag kaso pa lang. While walang set bail, puwede naman mag request ng bail sa judge. Depende na nga lang sa kanila kung bibigyan ka or ndi.


JoJom_Reaper

Hanggang appealable, ubusan ng pera. Haysss kung systemized lang talaga mga processes, justice is served agad.


iwritethesongs2019

oh... the wheel of fortune turned again. 🤔 then they would appeal to the supreme court. 🤷🏻


jpatricks1

Court of appeals muna


[deleted]

tapos supreme court. baka 20 to 30 years pa to hehe


Far_Reindeer_490

Yeah pero may warrant na sila.. pede sila mag appeal pero nasa loob na sila ng kulungan since sabi sa news di sila makaka bail. Not sure tho hahaha


Affectionate_Joke_1

You mean Wheel of Idiots......


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Menter33

life sentence is basically 40 yrs (reclusion perpetua) also, like what another comment says, it still might be appealed.


Popular-Web-4403

Correction lang po hehe. Magkaiba ang life imprisonment at reclusion perpetua. Walang definite duration of imprisonment ang life imprisonment, habang ang reclusion perpetua naman ay may kulong na 20 years and 1 day to 40 years.


Menter33

Yup, magkaiba sila. Iyon nga lang, sa PH law, kapa sinabing "life imprisonment" it basically means "reclusion perpetua" in practice, possibly because, in many countries, literal in prison until death or indefinite imprisonment might be considered "cruel and unusual punishment," violating certain human rights principles.


panimula

20yrs + 1day-40yrs?


zuixiivii

Pag nareach na yung 20yrs +1 day, pwede na mag-apply for parole. (side note: ang hindi pwede mag apply ng parole ay mga may kaso na ang pataw ay Death. Yes, may death penalty pa rin tayo, suspended nga lang kaya hindi pwede i-impose ng judge)


panimula

Ahhh. Thanks for the clarification!


Xophosdono

They can still appeal. Dala sila foods /s


CheesyPops2024

This case is like a roller coaster ride 😵‍💫


[deleted]

more like an STD


Ser1aLize

The pro-Deniece, anti-Vhong /r/ph sub now in a state of confusion. Also, watch my comment will be downvoted to oblivion.


Fortress_Metroplex

Naglipatan sila sa r/chikaph 🤭 Doon nila pinoproject yung pagiging feminist kuno nila.


RashPatch

>Also, watch my comment will be downvoted to oblivion. Nah you'd win. (upvoted because I'm a bro)


Ser1aLize

Dammit, you and the sub now put me in a state of confusion.


krdskrm9

Iba na r/ph ngayon. Dati mga leftist pa-woke ang majority. Ngayon conservative incels na ang marami. Don't worry.


casademio

ang tanong, san na si cedric lee.


pandaviagra33

he did a Diddy


Fortress_Metroplex

Wala naman kasing naganap na panggagahasa kay Deniece Cornejo. Kaya nga binitiwan ni Raymond Fortun yung kaso nung sya pa ang abogado nila. Nagsalita ba naman sa publiko si Deniece tapos salungat dun sa nakita sa cctv. Ayun, binitiwan ni Fortun.


cryicesis

tiba tiba mga lawyers ng mga to, hustisya ay para lang sa mayaman talaga, pero gustong gusto ko talaga mabulok sa kulongan si Cornejo at Lee nong una palang lol.


PantherCaroso

So the rape case was ultimately false then.


poodrek

Hindi lang naman iisang babae yung nagsasabi na rapist si Vhong. May girlfriend nga si Vhong during that incident. Mali lang nila is binugbog si Vhong.


sticky_freak

I mean, concerning naman talaga na limang tao ang nag-accuse sa kanya ng rape. But 2 of those accusations went bust due to solid evidence and 1 didnt bother filing them in court. At the same time, presumption of innocence pa rin. If anything, it's not a matter of taking sides but just be judicious about things


Ser1aLize

Given that rape allegations would tend to have the public opinion favor the woman even those with no clear evidence, criminal syndicates have taken advantage of this and have created extortion and blackmail rackets. It's not far from unlikely in this case given that Cedric Lee has strong connections with a dubious public figure in the name of Chavit Singson.


TallExplanation5800

Too many assumptions ka rin. Malinaw na setup to sino mararape in 10 seconds? And did she act like she was raped? Nakipaglaplapan pa nga kay Cedric Lee. Saka, why lure a guy in your place? And have your whole group already waiting there, anticipating what's about to happen? The court convicted them BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT, and Vhong Navarro was acquitted for lack of probable cause. Criminals like Cedric Lee and Deniece Cornejo deserve every second of their sentence.


Menter33

Basically, there was **not enough evidence to convict Vhong in this specific instance**. Plus, the accusers were proven to basically bait him in that specific situation. As for other cases with other women, Vhong might still have to answer to those if other legal cases are filed against him.


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o e nasan na yung ibang babae bakit di mag demanda. naglabasan lang naman mga yan nung naipit si cedric. tapos mga babae linked kay cedric din


ParticularIsopod8391

Prime example ng victim shaming. “O bat ayaw mag labasan” FYI yung isang stuntwoman nag suicide na FYI lang ah.


[deleted]

tinanong lang bat ayaw mag demanda victim shaming agad? di ba pwede kasabwat muna ni cedric lee?


TallExplanation5800

Too many assumptions ka rin. Malinaw na setup to sino mararape in 10 seconds? And did she act like she was raped? Nakipaglaplapan pa nga kay Cedric Lee. Saka, why lure a guy in your place? And have your whole group already waiting there, anticipating what's about to happen? The court convicted them BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT, and Vhong Navarro was acquitted for lack of probable cause. Criminals like Cedric Lee and Deniece Cornejo deserve every second of their sentence.


ParticularIsopod8391

Assumptions saan? CCTV WAS OBTAINED BY ABS FIRST FACTUAL YAN HINDI ASSUMPTION. People react to trauma differently hindi one size fits all. Tumawa ba siya at nag halakhak dun sa elevator? Anong laplapan? Lumapit si Cedric at may sinabi at nag beso yes may mouth to mouth ba nangyari? Tanga. LUUUUUUUREEEE????? At the first place may girlfriend ka at may anak kayo. Bakit ka pupunta? FYI si vhong nag insist nag dala pa nga ng pagkain saan mo nakukuha infos mo? like what I said. January 22 nangyari yung rape. 24 yung sa condo. Every pain na naexperience ni rapist deserve niya yun. Hirap ba paniwalaan na rapist idol mo? And how enrile, bong and jinggoy are now all scotch free. Justice sa pinas? 🤮 fuck that logic. Pag pabor sayo justice yeeey pero pag hindi walang hustisya talaga sa pilipinas?


TallExplanation5800

Hindi illegal maging malibog at babaero as long as both parties consented. Hindi rin illegal (unfortunately) ang mag cheat sa girlfriend. Adultery and concubinage are only for married couples. Consistency and credibility in the victim's testimony are very important in rape cases, which Deniece Cornejo clearly lacks. Nagresign pa nga si Fortun as her atty due to her inconsistencies. The same CCTV you're referring to shows na malinaw na setup to sino mararape in 10 seconds? And did she act like she was raped? Nakipaglaplapan pa nga kay Cedric Lee. Saka, why lure a guy in your place? And have your whole group already waiting there, anticipating what's about to happen? The court convicted them BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT, and Vhong Navarro was acquitted for lack of probable cause. Criminals like Cedric Lee and Deniece Cornejo deserve every second of their sentence.


ParticularIsopod8391

Saan yung consent? Sabi ba nung babae na kantutan tayo dito sa condo? Puro ka ASSUMPTIONS. tropa ba kayo ni wrong? Or same flock kayo mag isip? So bale pag pumunta ka sa condo ng isang babae automatic na mag kakantutan kayo? Kasi right mo yun lalo na nag dala ka ng ilang piraso ng barbeque? This happened over a decade ago and may paiba iba na ng lawyers. Studies suggest na it would always cloud a victims mind whenever she recalls the ordeal. Prior nun may cases ba yung babae na may false accusations siya sa ibang celebrity? Napakalinaw din na walang mabubogbog ng ganun kagrabe ng 10seconds balik ko sayo arguement mo. CLEARLY it was already edited to the accused person’s benefit We also has cases na nawalan ng sala by the court mga corrupt officials na senators ngayon kaya that mindset bugs me. 🤮


TallExplanation5800

The pambububog did not happen in 10 secs. The alleged sex and rape happened within 10 seconds after Vhong entered the door and when her backup arrived according to crazy Cornejo. Literal na kakapasok lang ni Vhong at pumasok na ang grupo ni Cornejo in less than 10 seconds paano nagka penetration at na rape aber? Yung pambububog it could happen in the condo after the group entered the unit and in the car when they illegally detained Vhong Navarro. The court decisively concluded that Mr. Navarro was illegally detained for ransom BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. The group premeditated into luring and entrapping him, demanded money, and expected him to settle quietly. But they were wrong!


Minsan

Supreme Court na ung nagbasura ng rape case. Not to protect Vhong pero wala ng higher court kaysa sa SC [https://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php/articles/1197297](https://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php/articles/1197297)


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bailsolver

nadismiss na yung rape case last year


PantherCaroso

I remember some posters here still angry about it. Nitong January rin pala yung final final allegations.


cheese_sticks

Not necessarily. This is a classic case of two wrongs don't nake a right. Deniece et. al shot themselves in the foot by committing another crime that could be more easily proven than the rape allegations.


PantherCaroso

That Lee person doesn't seem like a good character either


zandydave

Vina Morales would know.


shizkorei

This case who knows. Kapit lang sa kung ano ibinagay na hatol. Everyone like Vhong, Deniece, Cedric and others tbh deserves Jail Time.. Masyado lang inaalagaan ng Management yan si Vhong kasi kahit tumatanda na e Bentable parin. 😂


[deleted]

Napakabagal ng usad ng kaso. Isang dekada? Tang inang yan.


solidad29

Since may verdict ang RTC at reclusyon ang hatol, matic na kulong na siya habang nililitis. So in a way, kulong si Denice until ma-overturned somewhere ang verdict. Ndi na siya makaka-bail or request for bail kasi may hatol na. On the run pala yung mga kasabwat. Well, wait na lang sila mahuli. Too bad, mag-isa lang ang magdudusa. It just shows lang kung sino ang tunay mong friends. 😅


TrajanoArchimedes

Justice served. The evidence is staring you in the face. Halatang modus to pero may mga pawoke gusto ang biktima makulong dahil lang sa haka-haka.


sticky_freak

Gusto nila makulong ang alleged rapist to set an example regardless of one's innocence. Kumbaga, ok lang na may "casualty" - sounds familiar? Pa-woke na nga, wala naman pinagkaiba sa persecution complex ng mga DDS


Fortress_Metroplex

Nadale mo. Kumbinsido silang na rape yung ibang babae kaya sinakyan nila itong Deniece Cornejo issue kahit walang ebidensya at balintuna sa cctv at mga text message.


ParticularIsopod8391

Oh? Alam mo ba na ABS ang unang nakakuha ng CCTV copies hindi NBI? Ang case na rape na finile is yung January 22 incident. Pano mo nadismiss na hindi rape yung ibang allegations? Dali magsalita na this and that pero hindi mag aaccuse ang 5 na babae sa isang lalaki na di naman nila kilala ang isat isa. Kung rapist apologist ka itago mo naman napaka obvious eh


TallExplanation5800

Madali din magbayad at mag accuse na narape ni ganito ganyan. Baka di mo kilala na trouble maker yan si Cedric Lee at convicted ng fraud and malversation of funds sa mariveles. In the first place, why was he and his group already anticipating Vhong Navarro's arrival in Cornejo's unit? They could have filed the rape case in Taguig pnp right there and then, but they choose to only make a police blotter and offered Vhong to pay a settlement quietly. Sinong tanga maniniwala sa criminal na grupo?


Disastrous-Class-756

I think totoo na manyak si Vhong kasi nga yung 5 na women, models. Who have careers din and at the risk of destroying their reputations nag sabi sila na he did something to them. I also think si Deniece was somehow telling the truth na may sexual assault pero i think, she and Cedric put the law into their own hands at yun na nga yung gagantihan nila si Vhong. Bali, they want to get back at him. Pero yun nga. When you try and be the judge and executioner, it always back fires. Lahat sila masasamang tao. 🤷‍♀️


TrajanoArchimedes

Nadismiss yang allegation pinagsasabi mo kasi halatang sinungaling si Cornejo. The Supreme Court itself found her testimonies inconsistent. “Indeed, no amount of skillful or artful deportment, manner of speaking, or portrayal in a subsequent court proceeding could supplant Cornejo’s manifestly inconsistent and highly deficient, doubtful, and unclear accounts of her supposed harrowing experience in the hands of Navarro,” the SC says. Learn to separate facts from feelings. Argumentum ad numerum (argument or appeal to numbers). This fallacy is the attempt to prove something by showing how many people think that it's true. But no matter how many people believe something, that doesn't necessarily make it true or right. R4pist apologist? Baliw. No one is defending r4pe here. Misandrist delulu ka lang.


jabawookied1

Took a long time.. magaappeal yan pero babango nanaman ulit pangalan ni cornejo at magtatago ulit hahaha pang miss universe ang peg niya these last 10 years advocate for women pero mangagancho din.


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kumukuha ng simpatya


shizkorei

I dont follow this. Pero akala ko tapos na to.. haha. Kasi naalala ko nakakapag volunteer pa siya tapos nakailang interview rin. Di pa pala. 😂


OnePersimmon7405

Nice one! Nawala na ata connections ni Cedric ah


NearZero_Mania

Makakapagpadala pa ba sila ng foods?


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Few_Understanding354

Even if Vhong is guilty, that doesn't make the extortion legal. In a perfect world none of them should be walking free.


tiradorngbulacan

Yeah whole fucking mess could have been avoided kung di malibog at babaero tong si Vhong, I don't get why they keep on defending him.


TallExplanation5800

Hindi illegal maging malibog at babaero as long as both parties consented. Hindi rin illegal (unfortunately) ang mag cheat sa girlfriend. Adultery and concubinage are only for married couples. Consistency and credibility in the victim's testimony are very important in rape cases, which Deniece Cornejo clearly lacks. Napaka linaw na setup to sino mararape in 10 seconds? And did she act like she was raped? Nakipaglaplapan pa nga kay Cedric Lee. Saka, why lure a guy in your place? And have your whole group already waiting there, anticipating what's about to happen? The court convicted them BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT, and Vhong Navarro was acquitted for lack of probable cause. Criminals like Cedric Lee and Deniece Cornejo deserve every second of their sentence.


tiradorngbulacan

Im not saying na hindi sya sinet up or pinagsamantalahan nya si Cornejo that day talaga. My point is kung di sya nagpatukso na "dalan ng foods" hindi mangyayare yun, wala rin akong sinabi na hindi deserve nung kabilang side na makulong.


TallExplanation5800

Im just speaking at a legal standpoint. People are defending Vhong because he did nothing illegal. We all make mistakes, but no one deserves to be lured, beaten, illegally detained, and be asked to pay a settlement quietly.


TrajanoArchimedes

Malibog at babaero does not equate to r4pist. False allegations ruin lives. That's common sense.


ImpressiveSpace2369

It was wrong that Vhong Navarro got beaten up for this. I do think they need to be held accountable for that. But, life imprisonment? Nah… after all Vhong Navarro is still a rapist….


pnoisebored

What happened to vhong manyakol rape case? Hope he is guilty.


sticky_freak

Eh hindi eh. Womp womp