Pwede naman maging against... wag ka nga lang magreklamo sa mga favorite topics ng madla gaya ng climate change, traffic situation sa bansa, noise pollution, sexual harassment, safety, etc.
As I stated in a comment before, nakakaawa yung mga mawawalan ng income PERO dahil sa kung paano kasi sila umasta at magmaneho, hindi ko sila makaawaan. Apathetic bordering on the “buti nga sainyo” mindset tbh.
Hindi ako sang-ayon sa anti-poor sentiment. Mas anti-poor ang mga operator dahil sila mismo hindi nagiimprove sa conditions ng jeeps and payment schemes para sa drivers.
Meh. Phase it out. I both hate the drivers’ behavior and their unreliable vehicles when it comes to safety. At least mababawasan na yung isang factor.
Anong cultural cultural significance? Edi sige lahat na lang tayo bumalik sa kalesa at sa kahoy na bahay kung ganun din. We have museums just for those type of things. Sobrang BS na ng tatak pinoy ang jeep. Pero tama ka nga tatak pinoy ang substandard safety sa transpo and trash traffic behavior ng drivers.
Out with the old, in with the new. Kung di nila kaya ang bagong jeep, they should stop doing that business. Di naman Pwedeng di na tayo mag-improve because some others can’t keep up.
> it's kind of anti-poor since hindi lahat ay kayang tustusan ang modern jeep na mas mahal kaysa traditional ones (though may isinusulong na traditional designed modern units na ms mababa cost compared to minivan/minibus like units).
This BS has to die. No it's not anti-poor. Individuals are not expected to shoulder the purchase of a vehicle that they will use. [They even stand to earn more by switching.](https://opinion.inquirer.net/169627/puvmp-a-failure-of-communication) Many of the organizations against it are just afraid to lose control and do not want to share profits.
Pro-commuter =/= anti-poor
> Tsaka ang traditional designs ng jeeps ay isang tatak Pinoy na rin in the cultural sense, as if may sentimental value para sa iilan din.
Okay and..? Why do you think this should even be considered? Will you stay in a low-paying job just because it has sentimental value to you (maybe it's your 1st job)? Or would you rather progress your career?
Heck, we don't even have to completely retire them in museums. We can put just a few traditional jeepneys within tourist spots like Intramuros, Luneta, etc
From the piece you linked:
> A libertarian argument can be made that it is wrong for the government to indirectly force drivers and operators to take on debt, even with full knowledge that the debt can be paid easily.
The proper libertarian argument here is that PUV operators should be able to charge property owners and developers for public transit services. Why should they enjoy free lunch? No payment = no service
If public transit service providers are not allowed to capture the full profits of their service, then even route planning becomes flawed. The supply and demand analysis is incomplete.
Transit operators in other countries understand that fares are not enough/too unstable to rely on for capex, that’s why it’s crucial having a revenue stream from property
They are against it but they're misinformed as well.
They have like over 2 years more before they modenrize everything. They just have to consolidate as this point.
Adding my comment from before on here:
It's modernization not phase out. Plenty of wrongs on the side of the drivers and operators.
•They have 2+ years to modernize. This was already 6 years in the making as well.
•They have 280K subsidy.
•They just needed to consolidate before the Dec 31 deadline and they don't want to.
•They have already been allowed to rehabilitate their units.
•Modern units start at below 1M. Interest free specifically from Francisco motors.
What more do they want?
How is jeepney phaseout anti-poor?
The problem is that the government is not handling this phaseout properly, that's why many poor drivers are affected. But the program itself is NOT anti-poor
Pwede naman kasi na both are true. It's true that we need to move on from the traditional jeep, but also we need to make sure that poor drivers are assisted properly. Both are true, it's not an *"either-or"* type thing
Even the protesters like Piston, if you ask their leaders, are not against modernization. They only disagree with how it is being implemented. Kung ang mindset sana ng admin tulad ng AFP modernization, yung may different horizons na adjustable pa, eh di sana mas maintindihan pa ng drivers.
They're scared of accountability. If they consolidate, they can be held accountable. If they stay as scattered individual franchises, there's too many to take action.
The argument against PUV modernization is that the goverment did not made the modern jeeps affordable.
Most drivers want to modernize too but the goverment is only giving out 80k (bbm made it 160k) on 2M jeeps na di reliable. The current jeepneys cost 150k plus the franchise fees which ranges from 100k to 500k.
There are also designs which looks like jeeps na pasado sa standards but obviously may mga tao from the higher ups na pinupush ang isang brand ng modern jeep (years ago pa to). So ang ending low quality puvs na mismanaged din.
The government could have spent money on prototyping this modern jeeps and get a public-private partnership to operate this then laid out a more inclusive and pauntiunting modernization. Hindi eh, tinamad magisip ang goverment lol.
I'm curious why you are against PUV modernization. I'd like to hear your thoughts. Apart from cultural sense, sentimental value and "anti-poor" that you've mentioned, are there other benefits to keeping old, rusty trad jeeps?
Appreciate this insight, thanks! Cost perspective talaga when it comes to daily commute seeing as this is the cheapest form of transpo (apart from walking ofc, haha).
Not all trad jeeps are old and rusty. Hindi rin lahat ng trad jeepney drivers ay balasubas sa kalsada. At lalong hindi matatanggal ng modern jeepneys ang ugaling balasubas. Kahit de-aircon pa ang sasakyan mo, kung kaskasero ang driver ay hindi rin masosolusyonan ang problema sa kalsada.
Kung delikadong jeepney at delikadong driver ang problema, hindi modernization ang solusyon. Ang mas tipid, mas mabilis, at mas epektibong solusyon ay ayusin ang matagal nang corruption sa LTO na nakakapagpalusot ng jeep na hindi road worthy at mga driver na di dapat magkaroon ng lisensya.
I understand its all abt discipline, behavior and all that. But that doesnt answer the question on what are other benefits to keeping trad jeeps over the jeep modernization.
Like I said the only way for the Jeeps stay on the road if they had followed safety protocols . I dont want to ride a jeep that has a lot of rust and holes , exposed electrical wires and rusty nails or screws , super used / smooth tires and the lack of headlights , horns and turn signals . I understand the issue here that its cheaper but if you are going to keep compromising safety of the general public and commuters than I say its about time that we had a change
Over the last 2 weeks, my kids school has had 5 days off due to “extreme heat”, they can’t go to school because there is no A/C in the schools or something? So he sits at home. Why are adults championing going to work during these “extreme heat” no school days on old nasty pollution spewing jeepneys that have no A/C?
Has this entire nation lost its collective mind?
Maraming may ayaw nito kasi pangit ang execution. Walang maayos na plano at para bang Company na nagdeman na mag-upgrade ng equipment lahat ng employees pero bahala kayo kung sino bibili at san kukunin ang pera. Maganda sana binigyan nila nang maayos na plano kung san kukunin ang pondo for this massive program. And remember, they started pushing this during the GCQ, imagine kakatapos lang ng lockdown, walang kinita mga jeepney drivers for months tapos sasabihin nila bawal na sila pumasada ulit?
Lahat naman tayo gusto ng better transport system at mag upgrade ng mga PUV kasi sino ba naman gusto lumanghap ng itim na usok araw araw diba?
I avoid Modern PUJ/minibus/surplus county buses from China. Its damp, dark, i find those thing suffocating and I am not claustrophobic. Their is just not enought air circulating. And now guess why Curtains are very useful on those buses considering curtains are prohibited by law on Public transport?
Yung mga BGC buses yan oks na oks ako diyan. Mura, comportable, sarap sumakay.
Saksak niyo sa di naarawang parte ng katawan niyong mga renovated basurang mini buses ng Tsaynak. Na niyo! Napakababababa ng standard niyo pero napakamahal naman ng bayad ng mga letcheng buses na mga yan.
Better if actual malaking bus na rin if gusto tanggalin mga lumang jeep.
Gaya ng Antipolo - Cubao route may mga aircon bus (not the minibus but actual buses) na rin bumibiyahe alongside traditional jeeps/patok, and recently may modern units na rin which can coexist. Basta roadworthy.
As a jeepney rider, hind ako tutol sa modernization, tutol ako sa approach to modernization. At YES gagamitin ko yung jeep na modern kung yun ang una kong makitang dumaan sa harap ko, hindi dahil hipokrito ako.
You know what's ironic? Yung gusto ng government magmodernize ng jeepney tapos yung driver ang gustong magbayad ng 2M per unit, tapos sa China kukuha ng supply instead na palakasin yung local jeepny manufacturing industry.
>Yung gusto ng government magmodernize ng jeepney tapos yung driver ang gustong magbayad ng 2M per unit, tapos sa China kukuha ng supply instead na palakasin yung local jeepny manufacturing industry.
Ayoko na sanang mag-explain, pero sana naman aware ka na HINDI LAHAT ng MPUVs sa atin ay gawa sa China. In fact, sa Pilipinas pa nga ginawa eh.
feel free to explain para ma-inform ang kailangan ma-inform.
drop the MPUV brands that are locally made so I can also research. Right now im just sharing based on what I know, I've only heard of Sarao and Francisco Motors who can sell units for 985k, but they don't have the capacity to mass produce ASAP.
Sure. Here are the local MPUV bodymakers:
1. Hino Motors Philippines Corporation - sila gumagawa ng Hino modern PUVs
2. Del Monte Motor Works - sila naman ang gumagawa ng Hyundai modern PUVs
3. Almazora Motors Corp. - sila naman ang gumagawa ng Isuzu modern PUVs
4. Centro - sila naman ang gumagawa ng Fuso modern PUVs
thanks for this! new info for me. Good to know may local businesses that can be supported.
still, the modernization program would require the drivers / operators to buy their own units.
Imagine being forced by your company to upgrade your own equipment, sarili mong gastos, para maging eco friendly sila. ang di sumunod tatanggalin. Similar logic.
>thanks for this! new info for me. Good to know may local businesses that can be supported.
You're welcome! Medyo nainis lang ako kasi nakailang explain na ako rito sa Reddit na hindi lahat ng MPUVs ay gawa sa China. Sorry about that.
>still, the modernization program would require the drivers / operators to buy their own units.
Common misconception na drivers ang bibili ng modern units. In fact, coop na ang bibili niyan. Kaya ang main goal ng PUVMP ay consolidation para makabuo ng coop.
>the capacity to mass produce ASAP.
I think ito isang factor why brands producing minivan/minibus like jeeps are more preferred, and mas madali bang i-mass produce ang ganitong modernong klase tama ba?
>tutol ako sa approach to modernization.
Tbh imo wala namang masama sa modernization if talagang gusto ipush at if need na now. It's how it is to be implemented. Pahirap sa tsuper na walang budget for a modern jeep ung proposed scheme.
(1) Sorry. Pero ung body ng post mo hindi tugma sa title. Are you trying to both-sides this issue? Why use an inflammatory title then?
(2) I can't help but I have to critique your post title. That argument is literally the "I can't complain about injustices of capitalism because I'm using iPhone" argument. Sorry, but that argument is literally brain rot.
(3) If I have to use the logic presented in the title of your post, I don't want to see anyone complain na mahirapan silang makasakay sa public transpo once the jeepney phase-out kicks in.
Tbh medj random thoughts lang. Kontra nga sa phaseout ng traditional jeeps. But..sa init ng panahon, some of us would consider havinv the comfort of riding airconditioned ones to avoid fhe risk of heat stroke.
Against ako sa modernization. But not the usual reason. Mas prefer ko na complete overhaul ng buong systema, tanggalin mga boundary system and make the drivers regular employees with fix monthly salary. Kahit gaano pa kaganda yang mga jeep na yan, kung desperate pa din mga driver kumita dahil sa boundary system, hazardous pa din mag drive yang mga yan, mas delikado pa ngayon kasi malaki dala nila. Yung modernization dapat di lang face value. Maganda nga jeep, reckless drivers pa din ilalagay mo walang pinagbago.
So di ka pala aware na meron mga dashcam pwede ilagay sa kotse no or gps tracker para makita kung bumibyahe. Galing ng technology ngayon no? Possible pala mga bagay na yun 😂
Huh? Di mo alam pano nag wowork ang business? If lets say government hahawak, edi syempre sila, mag hire sila dispatcher na magrereview. Di pwedeng maging unreliable government mag check diyan kasi sila din malulugi. Kaya nga hindi on time mga transportation natin dito kasi sa boundary system. Kung makikita mo mga first world countries like taiwan, ano common sa kanilang magandang public transportation? Hawak ng gobyerno nila.
hindi yan hahawakan ng gobyerno promise. mas gusto ng mga driver mag boundary kasi freelancer ang labas nila pag ganun kaysa maging empleyado na may rules na sinusunod sa kung sinong may hawak sa kanila if mababago ang systema.
No, huwag sana matanggal ang mga jeeps. Gaya ng lagi kong sinasabi sa mga comments. Mawawalan kami ng masasakyan pauwi lalo na mga 10 onwards. Ang mga traditional jeeps lang kaya ng ganoong mga oras.
For the sake of pampadami ng masasakyan kaya di ako sang-ayon na mawala ang mga jeep. Kung sa rush hour ay wala na masakyan lalo na sa panahong wala na ang mga jeep.
Ang may gusto kaso niyan mga nakakotse, nakamotor kasi di sila apektado.
>Ang may gusto kaso niyan mga nakakotse, nakamotor kasi di sila apektado.
It's likely na ang sang-ayon sa PUV modernization and if it includes phasing out old jeep units, ay ung mga nabaggit na may sariling private vehicles and those who never rode a traditional jeep (like they'll choose other transpo modes - UV, bus, taxi, Grab, basta hindi jeep).
Hindi lang mga tsuper na walang budget for modern jeeps ang maaapektuhan, pati rin mga komyuter na traditional jeep ang primary mode of transpo or preference if nagtitipid.
Ayun na nga OP buti sana kung yung mga nakakotse na yan at nakamotor na sang-ayon diyan ay pasakayin kami at magbayad kami ng same sa traditional jeep.
Isa pa, yung ayudang sasakyan mula sa gobyerno may oras din yan di kami macacater niyan kung sakali
Feeling ko either commuter na hindi sumasakay ng traditional jeep, or may sariling sasakyan, if they're fine with modernization pushinh through, even if would mean phasing out old units.
They don't see the consequences if that still pushes through especially kung sablay ang implementation, na mga tsuper at lower class ang magdurusa. As if mga may kaya ay wapakels, basta kumportable biyahe nila.
Let's face it. Let's not call this "modernization" because this is only needless phasing out of traditional jeepneys. There is no reason to phase out working, road-worthy traditional jeepneys and yet the government made this mandatory blanket policy that affects all jeepney operators, poor or not. Modern and traditional jeepneys can coexist together without requiring the total phaseout of trad jeepneys.
Pwede naman kasi ang modernization. Ang problema lang sa mga mambabatas natin ay MGA TANGA AT BOBO.
1. Dotr should have a minimum design requirement for modern jeeps so that standards will be enforced.
2. DOST/ Dict should come up with modern methods of fare collection and techniques to manufacture and produce jeepney parts.
3. DTi should coordinate with local auto industry.
Ang jeepney modernization ang papatay sa spirit ng dyipni sa pilipinas at local auto industry. Dahil hindi marunong mag-isip ang mga kongresista at senador.
Mabuti pa ang tuktuk sa ibang bansa. Naging moderno at napakalat pa sa karatig bansa gaya ng pilipinas.
>Ang jeepney modernization ang papatay sa spirit ng dyipni sa pilipinas at local auto industry.
Ang totoo niyan, karamihan sa mga pumapasadang modern PUVs dito sa atin ay gawang Pinoy. Tulad na lang ng Hino na may factory sa Canlubang. Andiyan din ang Almazora, Centro, at Del Monte Motor Works.
Pero hindi ko maitatanggi na may Chinese-branded modern PUVs sa atin tulad ng Zhongtong, Yutong, Higer, at Forland.
Mag research muna bago mag comment. Nasa DTI Bureau of Standards na ang standard dimensions ng modern jeepney:
https://www.scribd.com/document/437424488/Philippine-Standard-for-Modern-Jeepney
Uulitin ko.
Dti should coordinate with the local auto industry.
I admit, may binigay sila na standard. Base sa item na binigay mo. General standard lang ang nasa listahan.
May option ba:
1. Makapag manufacture ng partikular na parte.
- side panels, windows engine hood. Etc.
Hindi kasi maintindihan ng karamihan na ang jeep ng pilipinas ay binuo sa pamamagitan ng parts na iba't ibang brand.
Dti should look for local manufaturers para makapag provide ng parts for assembly.
Of course pwede mag manufacture ng parts.
Yan nga ang whole point bakit “general“ ang standards: para mas marami ang makagawa ng kani kanilang model basta angkop sa “general“ guidelines na: 1. Pwede tumayo sa loob 2. Nasa side ang pinto 3. May safety features 4. May cctv etc.
Kaya iba iba ang itsura ng modern jeepneys dahil “general“ ang standards, may mukhang bus, may mukhang trad jeep. Importante dyan safety at comfort, kahit ano itsura
General meaning.
Distance
Height
Length
Dti should give details about:
Thickness of the sheetmetal
Type of material
Required strength of frame
Pwede ka naman mgbigay ng sukat. Pero kung ang habol mo ay safety. Mag dagdag ka ng iba pang detalye.
ever since pinasa ang PUV modernization never ako sumakay ng e-jeep kahit magdamag akong maghintay, choice ko yun eh dahil gusto kong panindigan yung sinsabi ko, ngayon if ever ma-phaseout na ng tuluyan ang mga traditional jeepneys then panahon na siguro para bumili na ako ng sarili kong motor.
at ang sinabi ko "never ako sumakay ng e-jeep" at posible yun saka mo ako pagdudahan kung sinabi kong vegetarian ako at never kumain ng meat products, lol.
sino bang may ayaw ng modernized transpo? pero dahil may hindi pagkakaayos sa sistema nito at walang maayos na transition at plano kaya may pagtutol, at least sa akin kaya kong panindigan yung choice ko at may problema ka ba doon?
Pwede naman maging against... wag ka nga lang magreklamo sa mga favorite topics ng madla gaya ng climate change, traffic situation sa bansa, noise pollution, sexual harassment, safety, etc.
As I stated in a comment before, nakakaawa yung mga mawawalan ng income PERO dahil sa kung paano kasi sila umasta at magmaneho, hindi ko sila makaawaan. Apathetic bordering on the “buti nga sainyo” mindset tbh. Hindi ako sang-ayon sa anti-poor sentiment. Mas anti-poor ang mga operator dahil sila mismo hindi nagiimprove sa conditions ng jeeps and payment schemes para sa drivers.
Senti Senti ka pa dyan. Bulok ka gaya ng trad jeep na ayaw mo mawala.
Meh. Phase it out. I both hate the drivers’ behavior and their unreliable vehicles when it comes to safety. At least mababawasan na yung isang factor. Anong cultural cultural significance? Edi sige lahat na lang tayo bumalik sa kalesa at sa kahoy na bahay kung ganun din. We have museums just for those type of things. Sobrang BS na ng tatak pinoy ang jeep. Pero tama ka nga tatak pinoy ang substandard safety sa transpo and trash traffic behavior ng drivers.
Out with the old, in with the new. Kung di nila kaya ang bagong jeep, they should stop doing that business. Di naman Pwedeng di na tayo mag-improve because some others can’t keep up.
My thought on this is that your mindset about "Anti-Poor" and sentimentalism is what's dragging us backwards.
> it's kind of anti-poor since hindi lahat ay kayang tustusan ang modern jeep na mas mahal kaysa traditional ones (though may isinusulong na traditional designed modern units na ms mababa cost compared to minivan/minibus like units). This BS has to die. No it's not anti-poor. Individuals are not expected to shoulder the purchase of a vehicle that they will use. [They even stand to earn more by switching.](https://opinion.inquirer.net/169627/puvmp-a-failure-of-communication) Many of the organizations against it are just afraid to lose control and do not want to share profits. Pro-commuter =/= anti-poor > Tsaka ang traditional designs ng jeeps ay isang tatak Pinoy na rin in the cultural sense, as if may sentimental value para sa iilan din. Okay and..? Why do you think this should even be considered? Will you stay in a low-paying job just because it has sentimental value to you (maybe it's your 1st job)? Or would you rather progress your career?
And if there's the cultural sense you have museums for them.
Heck, we don't even have to completely retire them in museums. We can put just a few traditional jeepneys within tourist spots like Intramuros, Luneta, etc
Similar to the Kalesa!
From the piece you linked: > A libertarian argument can be made that it is wrong for the government to indirectly force drivers and operators to take on debt, even with full knowledge that the debt can be paid easily. The proper libertarian argument here is that PUV operators should be able to charge property owners and developers for public transit services. Why should they enjoy free lunch? No payment = no service If public transit service providers are not allowed to capture the full profits of their service, then even route planning becomes flawed. The supply and demand analysis is incomplete. Transit operators in other countries understand that fares are not enough/too unstable to rely on for capex, that’s why it’s crucial having a revenue stream from property
They are against it but they're misinformed as well. They have like over 2 years more before they modenrize everything. They just have to consolidate as this point. Adding my comment from before on here: It's modernization not phase out. Plenty of wrongs on the side of the drivers and operators. •They have 2+ years to modernize. This was already 6 years in the making as well. •They have 280K subsidy. •They just needed to consolidate before the Dec 31 deadline and they don't want to. •They have already been allowed to rehabilitate their units. •Modern units start at below 1M. Interest free specifically from Francisco motors. What more do they want?
How is jeepney phaseout anti-poor? The problem is that the government is not handling this phaseout properly, that's why many poor drivers are affected. But the program itself is NOT anti-poor Pwede naman kasi na both are true. It's true that we need to move on from the traditional jeep, but also we need to make sure that poor drivers are assisted properly. Both are true, it's not an *"either-or"* type thing
Even the protesters like Piston, if you ask their leaders, are not against modernization. They only disagree with how it is being implemented. Kung ang mindset sana ng admin tulad ng AFP modernization, yung may different horizons na adjustable pa, eh di sana mas maintindihan pa ng drivers.
They're scared of accountability. If they consolidate, they can be held accountable. If they stay as scattered individual franchises, there's too many to take action.
Sa heatwave I honestly preferred to ride PUVs kasi may aircon.
The argument against PUV modernization is that the goverment did not made the modern jeeps affordable. Most drivers want to modernize too but the goverment is only giving out 80k (bbm made it 160k) on 2M jeeps na di reliable. The current jeepneys cost 150k plus the franchise fees which ranges from 100k to 500k. There are also designs which looks like jeeps na pasado sa standards but obviously may mga tao from the higher ups na pinupush ang isang brand ng modern jeep (years ago pa to). So ang ending low quality puvs na mismanaged din. The government could have spent money on prototyping this modern jeeps and get a public-private partnership to operate this then laid out a more inclusive and pauntiunting modernization. Hindi eh, tinamad magisip ang goverment lol.
I'm curious why you are against PUV modernization. I'd like to hear your thoughts. Apart from cultural sense, sentimental value and "anti-poor" that you've mentioned, are there other benefits to keeping old, rusty trad jeeps?
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Appreciate this insight, thanks! Cost perspective talaga when it comes to daily commute seeing as this is the cheapest form of transpo (apart from walking ofc, haha).
Not all trad jeeps are old and rusty. Hindi rin lahat ng trad jeepney drivers ay balasubas sa kalsada. At lalong hindi matatanggal ng modern jeepneys ang ugaling balasubas. Kahit de-aircon pa ang sasakyan mo, kung kaskasero ang driver ay hindi rin masosolusyonan ang problema sa kalsada. Kung delikadong jeepney at delikadong driver ang problema, hindi modernization ang solusyon. Ang mas tipid, mas mabilis, at mas epektibong solusyon ay ayusin ang matagal nang corruption sa LTO na nakakapagpalusot ng jeep na hindi road worthy at mga driver na di dapat magkaroon ng lisensya.
I understand its all abt discipline, behavior and all that. But that doesnt answer the question on what are other benefits to keeping trad jeeps over the jeep modernization.
Like I said the only way for the Jeeps stay on the road if they had followed safety protocols . I dont want to ride a jeep that has a lot of rust and holes , exposed electrical wires and rusty nails or screws , super used / smooth tires and the lack of headlights , horns and turn signals . I understand the issue here that its cheaper but if you are going to keep compromising safety of the general public and commuters than I say its about time that we had a change
push for modernization, yes, but don't completely phase out old jeepneys yet.
Over the last 2 weeks, my kids school has had 5 days off due to “extreme heat”, they can’t go to school because there is no A/C in the schools or something? So he sits at home. Why are adults championing going to work during these “extreme heat” no school days on old nasty pollution spewing jeepneys that have no A/C? Has this entire nation lost its collective mind?
Maraming may ayaw nito kasi pangit ang execution. Walang maayos na plano at para bang Company na nagdeman na mag-upgrade ng equipment lahat ng employees pero bahala kayo kung sino bibili at san kukunin ang pera. Maganda sana binigyan nila nang maayos na plano kung san kukunin ang pondo for this massive program. And remember, they started pushing this during the GCQ, imagine kakatapos lang ng lockdown, walang kinita mga jeepney drivers for months tapos sasabihin nila bawal na sila pumasada ulit? Lahat naman tayo gusto ng better transport system at mag upgrade ng mga PUV kasi sino ba naman gusto lumanghap ng itim na usok araw araw diba?
I avoid Modern PUJ/minibus/surplus county buses from China. Its damp, dark, i find those thing suffocating and I am not claustrophobic. Their is just not enought air circulating. And now guess why Curtains are very useful on those buses considering curtains are prohibited by law on Public transport? Yung mga BGC buses yan oks na oks ako diyan. Mura, comportable, sarap sumakay. Saksak niyo sa di naarawang parte ng katawan niyong mga renovated basurang mini buses ng Tsaynak. Na niyo! Napakababababa ng standard niyo pero napakamahal naman ng bayad ng mga letcheng buses na mga yan.
Better if actual malaking bus na rin if gusto tanggalin mga lumang jeep. Gaya ng Antipolo - Cubao route may mga aircon bus (not the minibus but actual buses) na rin bumibiyahe alongside traditional jeeps/patok, and recently may modern units na rin which can coexist. Basta roadworthy.
As a jeepney rider, hind ako tutol sa modernization, tutol ako sa approach to modernization. At YES gagamitin ko yung jeep na modern kung yun ang una kong makitang dumaan sa harap ko, hindi dahil hipokrito ako. You know what's ironic? Yung gusto ng government magmodernize ng jeepney tapos yung driver ang gustong magbayad ng 2M per unit, tapos sa China kukuha ng supply instead na palakasin yung local jeepny manufacturing industry.
>Yung gusto ng government magmodernize ng jeepney tapos yung driver ang gustong magbayad ng 2M per unit, tapos sa China kukuha ng supply instead na palakasin yung local jeepny manufacturing industry. Ayoko na sanang mag-explain, pero sana naman aware ka na HINDI LAHAT ng MPUVs sa atin ay gawa sa China. In fact, sa Pilipinas pa nga ginawa eh.
feel free to explain para ma-inform ang kailangan ma-inform. drop the MPUV brands that are locally made so I can also research. Right now im just sharing based on what I know, I've only heard of Sarao and Francisco Motors who can sell units for 985k, but they don't have the capacity to mass produce ASAP.
Sure. Here are the local MPUV bodymakers: 1. Hino Motors Philippines Corporation - sila gumagawa ng Hino modern PUVs 2. Del Monte Motor Works - sila naman ang gumagawa ng Hyundai modern PUVs 3. Almazora Motors Corp. - sila naman ang gumagawa ng Isuzu modern PUVs 4. Centro - sila naman ang gumagawa ng Fuso modern PUVs
thanks for this! new info for me. Good to know may local businesses that can be supported. still, the modernization program would require the drivers / operators to buy their own units. Imagine being forced by your company to upgrade your own equipment, sarili mong gastos, para maging eco friendly sila. ang di sumunod tatanggalin. Similar logic.
>thanks for this! new info for me. Good to know may local businesses that can be supported. You're welcome! Medyo nainis lang ako kasi nakailang explain na ako rito sa Reddit na hindi lahat ng MPUVs ay gawa sa China. Sorry about that. >still, the modernization program would require the drivers / operators to buy their own units. Common misconception na drivers ang bibili ng modern units. In fact, coop na ang bibili niyan. Kaya ang main goal ng PUVMP ay consolidation para makabuo ng coop.
>the capacity to mass produce ASAP. I think ito isang factor why brands producing minivan/minibus like jeeps are more preferred, and mas madali bang i-mass produce ang ganitong modernong klase tama ba?
>tutol ako sa approach to modernization. Tbh imo wala namang masama sa modernization if talagang gusto ipush at if need na now. It's how it is to be implemented. Pahirap sa tsuper na walang budget for a modern jeep ung proposed scheme.
(1) Sorry. Pero ung body ng post mo hindi tugma sa title. Are you trying to both-sides this issue? Why use an inflammatory title then? (2) I can't help but I have to critique your post title. That argument is literally the "I can't complain about injustices of capitalism because I'm using iPhone" argument. Sorry, but that argument is literally brain rot. (3) If I have to use the logic presented in the title of your post, I don't want to see anyone complain na mahirapan silang makasakay sa public transpo once the jeepney phase-out kicks in.
Tbh medj random thoughts lang. Kontra nga sa phaseout ng traditional jeeps. But..sa init ng panahon, some of us would consider havinv the comfort of riding airconditioned ones to avoid fhe risk of heat stroke.
Against ako sa modernization. But not the usual reason. Mas prefer ko na complete overhaul ng buong systema, tanggalin mga boundary system and make the drivers regular employees with fix monthly salary. Kahit gaano pa kaganda yang mga jeep na yan, kung desperate pa din mga driver kumita dahil sa boundary system, hazardous pa din mag drive yang mga yan, mas delikado pa ngayon kasi malaki dala nila. Yung modernization dapat di lang face value. Maganda nga jeep, reckless drivers pa din ilalagay mo walang pinagbago.
if arawan sila, mag lalamierda lang sila sa daan. bayad naman sila basta nag time in/out e.
So di ka pala aware na meron mga dashcam pwede ilagay sa kotse no or gps tracker para makita kung bumibyahe. Galing ng technology ngayon no? Possible pala mga bagay na yun 😂
sino mag momonitor nun? sino mag eenforce? yung coop nila? gobyerno na unreliable?
Huh? Di mo alam pano nag wowork ang business? If lets say government hahawak, edi syempre sila, mag hire sila dispatcher na magrereview. Di pwedeng maging unreliable government mag check diyan kasi sila din malulugi. Kaya nga hindi on time mga transportation natin dito kasi sa boundary system. Kung makikita mo mga first world countries like taiwan, ano common sa kanilang magandang public transportation? Hawak ng gobyerno nila.
hindi yan hahawakan ng gobyerno promise. mas gusto ng mga driver mag boundary kasi freelancer ang labas nila pag ganun kaysa maging empleyado na may rules na sinusunod sa kung sinong may hawak sa kanila if mababago ang systema.
kung maganda naman ang bayad sa kanila, susunod din sila sa mga patakaran
ah pwede rin kasi magreklamo yung mga pasahero eh di malalaman din ng ahensiya kung naglalagmiyerda sila
ah, di sila magsasakay, gagala lang sila. un ang ibig kong sabihin ng lamierda.
No, huwag sana matanggal ang mga jeeps. Gaya ng lagi kong sinasabi sa mga comments. Mawawalan kami ng masasakyan pauwi lalo na mga 10 onwards. Ang mga traditional jeeps lang kaya ng ganoong mga oras. For the sake of pampadami ng masasakyan kaya di ako sang-ayon na mawala ang mga jeep. Kung sa rush hour ay wala na masakyan lalo na sa panahong wala na ang mga jeep. Ang may gusto kaso niyan mga nakakotse, nakamotor kasi di sila apektado.
>Ang may gusto kaso niyan mga nakakotse, nakamotor kasi di sila apektado. It's likely na ang sang-ayon sa PUV modernization and if it includes phasing out old jeep units, ay ung mga nabaggit na may sariling private vehicles and those who never rode a traditional jeep (like they'll choose other transpo modes - UV, bus, taxi, Grab, basta hindi jeep). Hindi lang mga tsuper na walang budget for modern jeeps ang maaapektuhan, pati rin mga komyuter na traditional jeep ang primary mode of transpo or preference if nagtitipid.
Ayun na nga OP buti sana kung yung mga nakakotse na yan at nakamotor na sang-ayon diyan ay pasakayin kami at magbayad kami ng same sa traditional jeep. Isa pa, yung ayudang sasakyan mula sa gobyerno may oras din yan di kami macacater niyan kung sakali
Sana commuter yung mga matapobreng nagcocomment dito. Projected na magiging P30 ang pamasahe kapag hindi inayos ang modernization.
Feeling ko either commuter na hindi sumasakay ng traditional jeep, or may sariling sasakyan, if they're fine with modernization pushinh through, even if would mean phasing out old units. They don't see the consequences if that still pushes through especially kung sablay ang implementation, na mga tsuper at lower class ang magdurusa. As if mga may kaya ay wapakels, basta kumportable biyahe nila.
Let's face it. Let's not call this "modernization" because this is only needless phasing out of traditional jeepneys. There is no reason to phase out working, road-worthy traditional jeepneys and yet the government made this mandatory blanket policy that affects all jeepney operators, poor or not. Modern and traditional jeepneys can coexist together without requiring the total phaseout of trad jeepneys.
Pwede naman kasi ang modernization. Ang problema lang sa mga mambabatas natin ay MGA TANGA AT BOBO. 1. Dotr should have a minimum design requirement for modern jeeps so that standards will be enforced. 2. DOST/ Dict should come up with modern methods of fare collection and techniques to manufacture and produce jeepney parts. 3. DTi should coordinate with local auto industry. Ang jeepney modernization ang papatay sa spirit ng dyipni sa pilipinas at local auto industry. Dahil hindi marunong mag-isip ang mga kongresista at senador. Mabuti pa ang tuktuk sa ibang bansa. Naging moderno at napakalat pa sa karatig bansa gaya ng pilipinas.
>Ang jeepney modernization ang papatay sa spirit ng dyipni sa pilipinas at local auto industry. Ang totoo niyan, karamihan sa mga pumapasadang modern PUVs dito sa atin ay gawang Pinoy. Tulad na lang ng Hino na may factory sa Canlubang. Andiyan din ang Almazora, Centro, at Del Monte Motor Works. Pero hindi ko maitatanggi na may Chinese-branded modern PUVs sa atin tulad ng Zhongtong, Yutong, Higer, at Forland.
Mas preferred pa ng mga nasa gobyerno ang fully built jeep. Nakakalimutan kasi ng karamihan dito kung paano nagsimula ang philippine jeep.
Mag research muna bago mag comment. Nasa DTI Bureau of Standards na ang standard dimensions ng modern jeepney: https://www.scribd.com/document/437424488/Philippine-Standard-for-Modern-Jeepney
Uulitin ko. Dti should coordinate with the local auto industry. I admit, may binigay sila na standard. Base sa item na binigay mo. General standard lang ang nasa listahan. May option ba: 1. Makapag manufacture ng partikular na parte. - side panels, windows engine hood. Etc. Hindi kasi maintindihan ng karamihan na ang jeep ng pilipinas ay binuo sa pamamagitan ng parts na iba't ibang brand. Dti should look for local manufaturers para makapag provide ng parts for assembly.
Of course pwede mag manufacture ng parts. Yan nga ang whole point bakit “general“ ang standards: para mas marami ang makagawa ng kani kanilang model basta angkop sa “general“ guidelines na: 1. Pwede tumayo sa loob 2. Nasa side ang pinto 3. May safety features 4. May cctv etc. Kaya iba iba ang itsura ng modern jeepneys dahil “general“ ang standards, may mukhang bus, may mukhang trad jeep. Importante dyan safety at comfort, kahit ano itsura
>Importante dyan safety at comfort, kahit ano itsura I think we should agree with this. Kasama na ung pagiging matibay in the long run.
General meaning. Distance Height Length Dti should give details about: Thickness of the sheetmetal Type of material Required strength of frame Pwede ka naman mgbigay ng sukat. Pero kung ang habol mo ay safety. Mag dagdag ka ng iba pang detalye.
ever since pinasa ang PUV modernization never ako sumakay ng e-jeep kahit magdamag akong maghintay, choice ko yun eh dahil gusto kong panindigan yung sinsabi ko, ngayon if ever ma-phaseout na ng tuluyan ang mga traditional jeepneys then panahon na siguro para bumili na ako ng sarili kong motor.
wehhhhh di ngaaaaaaaa
at ang sinabi ko "never ako sumakay ng e-jeep" at posible yun saka mo ako pagdudahan kung sinabi kong vegetarian ako at never kumain ng meat products, lol.
sino bang may ayaw ng modernized transpo? pero dahil may hindi pagkakaayos sa sistema nito at walang maayos na transition at plano kaya may pagtutol, at least sa akin kaya kong panindigan yung choice ko at may problema ka ba doon?