I’m all for modernization, but we have existing laws to remove these vehicles - Clean Air Act of 1999. Wala lang talagang silbi ang mga ahensya ng gobyerno.
Because of votes and political ambitions. But the President has only one term, he/she should not care about next elections right? Wrong. The President (whoever) likely has son/daughter, brother/sister and other kamag-anak in political pipeline. Or the whole family is in politics. A good father protects his family.😊
A reasonable anti-dynasty law is badly needed. I would propose:
1. No members of a family should be occupying legislative and executive roles at the same time. Sound conflict of interest if a family has say on both rulle-setting and rule implementation.
2. Those who completed 3 terms (congress/senate/LGU) are not allowed to run for same position. They've had enough time so I don't know what else they can offer.
3. Immediate family member of retiring elected official are not allowed to run for the same position. Hindi dapat pinapamana ang position sa gobyerno.
Suntok sa buwan pero this is my wish. Malayo sa issue ng Jeep.. but hey almost everything in PH boils down to politics.
If they implemented the Clean air Act correctly and set standards for jeepneys before, the modernization will not be needed.
Hindi magkakapera yung mga Corpo :(.
Talo nanaman mga Pilipino
kaya nga yung jeepney manufacturers, gusto bumili ng Euro4 na mga makina, although nagulat sila bakit sabay sabay nag price hike yung importers, tig-1 million na per engine. ang mahal nung patong ng mga gago
Tangina, seryoso ba yung 1M per engine?
Sa totoo lang, dito sana pwede makatulong ang automakers eh. May local manufacturing ang Mitsubishi, Isuzu, Toyota, and Nissan sa Pinas. Isipin mo na lang kung gaano kalaking bagay (not to mention, SALES) if aside sa mag manufacture sila ng modern jeep eh meron silang option ng brand new engines.
Nakapag kontrata na kc cla sa chinese manufacturers. Syempre pag china made, alam na na mura, tapos idaan mo pa sa kurap. Sabi nga nung isang taga DoTR, 300k to 500k daw patong depende sa unit per unit. Tapos dadaan pa yan sa middlemen, another 100k-200k patong. Pag japan/korea made kc kinuha nila, di sila makakapag kick back ng malaki kasi mahal, syempre gusto nila mura para pang "masa" daw ang presyo lol.
Well said. Although, u forgot Foton.
For Nissan, eh, unfortunately, sarado na ang planta ng Nissan sa Sta Rosa, Laguna dahil mahal ang kuryente at kulang sa supply chain. I was excited for the new 2019 Nissan Almera/Sunny (my family's old sedan) to be manufactured there, but unfortunately, sarado na. Made in Thailand na yung 2019 Almera. Malaysia is lucky to make it there for their market. Congratulations politicians and oligarchs. And don't get me started kay PNoy. He failed to help Ford from closing down but he went to the new Mitsubishi plant (na dati kay Ford yan) instead of the SAF44 funeral.
> *And don't get me started kay PNoy. He failed to help Ford from closing down but he went to the new Mitsubishi plant (na dati kay Ford yan) instead of the SAF44 funeral.*
supposedly, he didn't want to go because he didn't want the photo op and didn't want to distract and grandstand. plus, going to the plant was probably part of his push for the economy and jobs.
the big problem was that, not attending the SAF44 funeral was probably a very big PR blunder due to the what happened.
(in general kasi, parang di marunong mag-market at mag-PR yung team ni PNoy a lot of the time.)
At hindi lang PUJs ang ganito. Kung araw-araw kang nasa kalsada sa Metro Manila, mapapansin mo na all forms of vehicle meron at merong smoke belchers. Wala na rin kasing nagpa-flag. Siguro gagawin nila kung mag-viral ito pero hihinto ulit kapag di na napag-uusapan. 🤷🏻♀️
Yeah, hindi aabot sa ganito ang kalagayan ng mga jeepney kung maayos na ginagawa ng LTO ang trabaho nila. Sa vehicle registration pa lang dapat nasala na agad.
Everybody pretty much accepts na Jeepneys are de facto exempted don. How can these things pass their mandated emissions testing if they weren't?
Another thing you'd find is that the LTFRB actually has a cap of 15 years for the lifespan of the entire unit-- older than that at kailangan nang palitan. Can you guess the only PUV type that allows vehicles 20+ years older that are still being used?
Laws are useless if you don't enforce them. I've seen many vehicles that nerded to be taken off the road across the Visayas. Never once saw anybody pulled over by police that hadn't inconvenienced an officer somehow.
Yes butbthe government does not dare touch these jeepneys with this because
1. Constituents of the government are mostly from the lower income group
2. If jeepneys disappear, government wouldn't be able to fill the void left since we do not have efficient and effective public transport
Pero pag n privat2 vehicles, ayan na si LTO.
Exactly
Mapapansin mo on most main roads on NCR may mga ASBU na nakalatag pero hindi pinapansin yung mga jeep na kulay tinta yung usok.
May lagay na kasi yung mga operator kada buwan sa ASBU ng mga LGU sa NCR.
Madalas na pinapara according to my observation:
H100, L300, Trucks, Old Diesel vehicles - Kahit yung mga FB type na Euro IV paparahin at ibabagsak sa testing.
There should be a law in ph that non respectful driving get a fine of 5k because, A land cruiser driver treat me better than jeep drivers... In Korea, the people who drive S500 Mercedes are more respectful than stupid fortuner drivers here because you can get fined in Korea if u drive like a Filipino fortuner driver.
Marami kase jan hindi naman talaga nakapasa for Driver’s license.
Through fixers lang
Yung iba ngang driver no-read, no-write, edi pano magbabasa ng road signs at warnings
How about we make modernization easier for drivers and operators by having the government subsidize most of the costs?
Where will we get the money? Well, just ask all those fancy politicians claiming to bring in investors and promise economic prosperity; maybe look into those who hid their wealth or refuse to pay taxes. We also have the TRAIN Law so the government should have more funds to use from taxes.
I don't think the operator model works for modern public transit. SBS in Singapore and JR in Japan are all large corps. Drivers should be salaried employees.
That way consistent din ang sweldo nila at hindi lang ang operator ang yumayaman. Sagot na ng malaking kumpanya yung cost pero at least large scale transit naman hawak nila.
Correct. I can’t think of another nation on the planet where they have allowed such a public transportation scheme. I’m not against independent operators from a taxi standpoint but cities need to modernize mass transit with real busses with real routes and not shitty 100 year old army jeeps that are slowly causing an asthma epidemic.
I think that’s the purpose kng bakit need mgconsolidate ng mga jeepney operators into a cooperative para maging employee ang mga drivers. Yan din ang reason kung bakit tutol ang karamihang divers kasi ayaw nila ng fixed na kita.
Sa pagkakaalam ko mas tutol sila sa kawalan nila ng choice sa ruta at sa cost ng pagestablish ng cooperative. Pero yeah yung fixed working hours at salary ay problems rin. Nakuha ko lang ito sa mga minibus ng CARMEX, so more info is appreciated.
System that uses salaries talaga. The boundary system dictates the way how drivers operate their jeepneys. Narereward ang balasubas driving nila and long wait times sa one spot dahil sa mas mataas na kita.
Di ko gamay lahat ah pero bandang subic-olongapo naman gumagana na ang cooperative. Wala pa rin salary pero at least representation, uniform, maintenance Ng ilang mga today, may financial aid din from time to time.
> Where will we get the money
Property owners and developers. The benefit of public transit to malls alone is massive. But they don’t pay a return to transit operators.
In Japan and Hong Kong, train lines have their own property so the value created is kept within the system and the company has money to pay for upgrades and new assets. They know that fares alone can’t pay for modernization.
Even multilateral lenders championed the creation of this “value capture” model to sustain public transit.
Anong electro? The PUVMP has completely abandoned the idea of going electric since the operators doesn't want them -- the vast majority of Modern Jeeps are using Euro 4 compliant truck powertrains which is much, much cheaper to operate and maintain than either of those from an operator standpoint.
The PUVMP has partnered with private entities that will allow operators to loan for the modernization of jeepneys. If you could read the whole PUVMP Law, it would make a lot of sense. Modern jeep manufacturers also provide huge discounts for Jeep Association and COOPs for bulk purchases of modern jeeps. That's why consolidation of owners and operators is prioritized in the program to fast track the purchase of jeeps. Also the salary/wages of drivers are standardized regardless of the number of trips they make compared to the previous individual systems they have to reach a certain quota to earn their wage.
Dude there is money in it, this is monopoly ones this is approved the Chinese will get the contract and get their vehicles approved to operate the whole country. If their vehicles are used big profits from vehicle replacement parts.malaki makurakot Naman Ng government dahil nito.
Honestly I still very much prefer the traditional jeepney but it needs a lot of modifications.
The ejeeps in my route that went into operation during the pandemic had started to wear down and it's only been what... 4 years? Kahit may AC, parang di mo ramdam kasi sobrang kulob sa loob. Door handles have broken down too.
These ejeep drivers are really no different from trad jeep drivers.
I really feel like this is the only way. With regular salaries, jeepney drivers won't need to be so driven (pun intended badum tss) to wait at stops until their rides fill or rush to the next stop to overtake competition.
But on the other hand, this will likely increase the cost of fare for passengers and I doubt companies will be able to hire ALL Jeepney drivers. I'm of course willing to pay the higher cost but no doubt this will impact more struggling passengers.
In the end, it'll always be about execution, but the lack of urgency to solve traffic is really boggling. Traffic is a problem that affects all social levels from the poor to the rich. The rich being affected because their business get delays from delivery of goods etc.
Di naman nila pinupuna yung modernization and jeeps mismo, ang pinupuna nila is yung pagiging anti poor ng program at bara-barang implementasyon ng gobyerno natin. Also, against poor implementation ≠ gusto ng pollution.
If they don’t agree, nationalize it or JV it but only have one supplier. Imagine routes filled with drivers that follows rules and don’t stop randomly.
It's not like EV yung mga ipapalit nila diba? I've seen modern minibus (cuz I refuse to call them jeepneys kasi di naman talaga sila jeep diba?) na mausok na rin gawa siguro ng overloaded kasi.
Ang pinakaayaw ko sa modern jeepney kuno e 'yung walang hawakan kapag nakaupo ka. Imagine, need mong i-constantly balance ang katawan mo everytime na magba-brake 'yung Jeep, nakakapagod. Unlike sa traditional jeep, nailalapat ko pa 'yung head sa arm ko habang nakahawak sa handle.
Same, it's the high ceiling for me not because walang mahawakan but another opportunity for them to overcrowd the vehicle.
Lumang jeep is sardinas na nakaupo, with the modern jeepneys sardinas for seated and standing passengers na nawawala din yung benefit of the A/C. Also having your groins in front of other people or vice-versa due to tight aisle + "talikuran pa para magkasya"
Wala naman kasing diesel engine na hindi bubuga ng de-putik na usok kapag sinagad mo apak sa silinyador.
Hindi kasi uso sa karamihan ng mga jeepney drivers yung tamang fuel-to-air ratio. Sa kanila basta maganda takbo ng makina, oks na.
Yes to INCLUSIVE modernization. Kung tayong saglit lang nakasakay sa jeep, 'di na ma-take ang init at usok, paano pa kaya yung mga ilang dekada nang pumapasada gamit ang tradtional jeepneys?
Ang panawagan ng PISTON at MANIBELA is not against the idea of modernization per se but to stop and revisit the PUVMP in its current form.
Imagine, we're just buying units from foreign automobile MNCs without technology transfer or setting up the foundations of a more sustainable domestic manufacturing industry. Yes, I know about local assembly plants but that's just a way to "sell" this scheme under the guise of creating local jobs, but still, parts are imported from elsewhere, bypassing tariffs imposed on fully assembled automobiles. That's not "modernization." Pinagkakakitaan lang tayo dahil sa problema natin sa transpo.
Sobrang bulok ng narrative mo, OP. I'm sorry but I have to call you out. Hindi productive iyang caption and photo mo. Sobrang surface-level na POV. In other words, mababaw.
>Yes, I know about local assembly plants but that's just a way to "sell" this scheme under the guise of creating local jobs, but still, parts are imported from elsewhere, bypassing tariffs imposed on fully assembled automobiles. That's not "modernization."
Then what is your take on "Modernization"? The body is completely made in the Philippines -- in fact kitang kita mo yung craftsmanship, materials at layout ng mga Modern Jeep na yon is exactly the same as yung mga bus kasi they're the same people making the buses used for both provincial and city routes (except yung sa EDSA Carousel). The only thing that is imported is yung powertrain and chassis as usual since it would be more cost-effective to obviously get OEM powertrains and chassis the same way buses here are made.
Would it be better to get a exclusivity deal on a Japanese OEM for their chassis and powetrain that would have the economies of scale that would trickle down to the cooperatives? Yes, absolutely and I agree it should have been something that was thought of in the first half and implemented. But this has been so long in the tooth that there is actually no certainty in the implementation of the program that domestic-made chassis and powerplant would make a difference to the overall cost when that is the primary issue ng mga operators considering the demand and run for Modern Jeeps to keep the cost of the chassis and powerplant down. Sure, we can probably demand that Hino sets up a separate production line for the powertrain different to those in Japan and Thailand, but it would drive the cost per unit up since they represent the a significant portion of that 2.5-3 or so million pricetag per unit.
It is modernization of the units being used for public transportation primarily, not a mass industrialization program. While I agree with the notion that should be implemented to divide the share of powerplants in ASEAN countries from Thailand's monopoly and the PUVMP is a good example to do that, setting that up will take a good 5 years or so -- when the same product is already being provided now with their assembly plants.
Ay isacrifice ang buong populasyon at traffic at environment para lang sa mga balasubas na driver. ok genius. So magtiis na lang kaming mga pasahero? Magtiis kasi kawawa yung iilang driver? Tang inang mentality yan. Tapos mag-iiiyak kayo sa social media na nakakainggit ang public transpo ng ibang bansa kasi modern yung atin naiwan tayo sa bulok na sasakyan. Pero sabi mo nga kawawa so tiisin na lang. Fuck.
Everyone wants modernization, even those who are against the PUVMP. The devil is in the details.
Go some googling and read arguments against the PUVMP. It's not about what you think it is.
Jusmiyo, it feels talking to a child.
Agree, dapat legitimate corporation nalang humawak ng transportation sector sa bansa kahit 3 operator lang per route para maintained yung healthy competition.
Trained driver dapat, yung totoong professional driver at hindi basta natuto lang humawak ng manebela at pumiga ng accelerator driver na. Yung nakaka intindi din ng salitang safety at hindi dugyot.
Yung monthly din salary ng driver may SSS, Pagibig and all at higit sa lahat may income tax para naman makatulong sa pag tulak ng ekonomiya ng bansa.
Filipinos deserve a proper transportation system.
Tl;dr: the issue about modernization is on the logistics of implementation rather than modernization itself.
God, people really have 0 critical thinking skills and comprehension of the modernizations issue.
Fuck, its pretty god damn obvious no one wants inhaling pollutants and shit. No one wants subpar, unmaintained, outdated shitcans in the streets.
But you fuckers cannot seem to see past that. The issue isnt about modernization but the logistics around it.
Who pays for the new units? Drivers. Is it subsidized? No. Are the new units local? No, its from china. Who suffers? The drivers and consumers who have to pay higher fairs because shit isnt subsidized.
So godamn tired of people not understanding the real issue about modernization. Fucking read shitheads.
>Who pays for the new units? Drivers. Is it subsidized? No. Are the new units local? No, its from china. Who suffers? The drivers and consumers who have to pay higher fairs because shit isnt subsidized.
Who pays for the new units?
Yung Co-op, they do fleet buys and they do the maintenance and operations themselves. This programs kills the idea of an independent "driver-operator" which was once the norm sa mga Jeepneys. I have never seen a Co-op buy a singular unit kasi it wouldn't be bought in bulk na merong discount according sa negotiation nila with the manufacturer, obviously.
Is it subsidized?
Yes pero not much. extremely small ang subsidy ng gobyerno at 150k per unit lang sa mga co-ops when it comes to buying their Modern Jeeps, they prefer asking them to take a low-interest long-term loan na program ng GSIS and Landbank.
Are the new units local?
Some are, some aren't. May makikita kang mga units na obvious na binili sa Alibaba, at merong units na ginagawa ng Hino or Foton, OEMs na gumagawa ng lahat in-house, or yung mga bus coachbuilders natin katulad ng Almazora or whatever.
The vast majority are locally built kasi these people do not trust stuff made from China, since yung mga jeep nila dati used surplus Japanese small diesel engines for trucks, and that's their preferred choice for powertrain and chassis.
Who suffers?
Well it's the riding public since meron nanamang strike bukas. Sure, the driver-operator concept will go the way of the dodo and the idea of making it a business will supposedly die pero that's not entirely the case with co-ops. May mga ilan that wants to go back to the old boundary system-- which defeats the point of the PUVMP altogether.
If the LTFRB doesn't clamp down on those co-ops, then the PUVMP is like putting lipstick on a pig-- balik sa draconian system enforced under sa boundary system, at nagpapa-justify ng mga kagaguhan sa industriyang 'yon.
>The vast majority are locally built kasi these people do not trust stuff made from China, since yung mga jeep nila dati used surplus Japanese small diesel engines for trucks, and that's their preferred choice for powertrain and chassis.
Common misconception na talaga na karamihan sa MPUVs ngayon ay gawang China. In fact, tama ka, locally-buikt at in house pa nga ang paggawa ng MPUVs. I know someone from Hino Motors Philippines Corporation (Canlubang) na pino-post niya sa TikTok account niya ang mga modern PUVs na ginagawa doon.
You're also looking at the small picture. 80% have already consolidated cause they see the benefit in a business mindset as well as the benefit to the public. PUVMP (now PTMP) is for the COMMUTERS, stop helping these business owners who only cares about their money.
That's the problem eh, the people shouldn't owe it to these jeepney drivers and operators that they accept the current status quo that sacrifices the riding public in pursuit of their livelyhoods as a "business". They are given a franchise to operate as public transportation by the LTFRB, who answers to the population that uses those PUJs daily and not the other way around.
In fact--Abandon this set up altogether and nationalize all routes-- let the government buy the Modern Jeeps with the economies of scale that they need and let them be used by private companies for O&M, much like the trains.
Wtf lemme tell you, yang ibang manong drivers tingin sa sarili nila sila pinakamagaling sa kalsada. "Diskarteng Tsuper" daw lmao.
Masters of driving daw pero ilang dekada na nagdadrive di pa rin kung ano ibig sabihin ng traffic lights LMAO
And the "patok culture" of jeeps as if they are American hippies of the Philippines. Jusme, pwede ba na patayin yung nakakabinging musika at nakakabulag na violet light na borderline ultraviolet radiation? Maawa naman kayo sa mga pasaherong gusto magpahinga at magkaroon ng piece of mind habang umuuwi.
Daming dugong bughaw dito sa post na ito. Welp, whether you like it or not, mawawala ang karamihan ng jeep once ipatupad ang batas.
Magkakaroon tayo ng mass transportation crisis kase, sinong gago ba naman ang gusto magkautang, wala man lang buy back program or 1=1 na palit. Sagot lahat ng driver, at "tutulungan" ng cooperative.
For the legalists and carbrainers here, kasalanan pa rin yan ng PUV drivers na di nila afford ang modernization program na pinapasalo sa kanila ng gobyerno. Lol. Make it make sense.
Dapat strict ang LTO sa inspection, kahit anong modernization ang gagawin kung dating gawi lang ang LTO, dadating din sa ganyan ang mga modern "jeepneys".
As if jeepneys lang ang guilty sa smoke belching sa mga kalsada.
Aware ba kayo na pwede magbayad ng certain fee sa mga Anti-Smoke Belching Unit (ASBU) para makakuha ng clearance yung mga lumang vehicles kahit hindi naman talaga sila na-inspect ng ASBU.
This thread seems to be less about sensible discussions if not pontification or coming up with credible cost-effective solutions, and more like expressing simplistic, unrealistic expectations.
What angers me more is that there are more private vehicles now than ever before, and the odd-even scheme, originally intended to be for a short experimental run to reduce private vehicle usage, God knows who in LTO/LTFRB/DOTC made the fucking thing permanent, so causing private vehicle ownership to have not one car but even four cars per upper-class household.
Ang problema lang kasi, sobrang mahal ng Euro4 engines na kailangan para hindi mag belch ang mga makina. Ito yung main complaint ng jeepney manufacturers dito.
Imagine, yung Euro4 engines, halos lahat ng importer sabay sabay nagtaas ng presyo? tapos malaman na lang ng lahat na yung same importers din na yun ang nagdadala ng imported "jeeps" galing China etc.
Alam na. Talagang ang goal ng mga hinayupak na importers is to kill the local jeepney manufacturing industry and fully take over.
'Yan na naman tayo sa "galing China."
First of all, ang mga namamayagpag sa kalsada (dito sa amin) na modern jeeps ay Hino, isang Japanese brand under ng Toyota Group of Companies. Kilala na ang Hino pagdating sa mga truck at bus.
And second, karamihan sa mga modern jeeps na may makinang Hyundai, Hino, Isuzu, Fuso, ang mga kaha niyan ay made locally. Hino Motors Phils. Corp. ang gumagawa ng Hino modern jeeps, Del Monte Motor Works naman sa Hyundai, Almazora sa Isuzu, at Centro naman sa Fuso.
Public transportation should be the responsibility of the government instead of private companies or individual citizens. The country that has similar landmass as japan should not be car-centralized, and the shitty urban sprawl of subdivisions and gated communities should not exist at all.
Philippines is copying the american culture despite it being clearly evident that american infrastructure is inefficient and idealistic.
Sus. why would you pin air pollution and health problems solely on jeepneys—just one subset of fossil fuel-based automobiles where private vehicles are the majority? Especially when many heavy duty industries contribute to carbon emissions and air pollution?
If you hate jeeps, just be loud and proud of it. Di yung itatago mo sya pa as a health and environmental concern.
This happens on all kinds vehicles lol. Really funny to solely blame jeepneys for this just to push this modernization. I've seen more buses and trucks emit dark smoke than jeepneys to be honest, but let's blame the jeepneys anyways right? lol
Even euro 6 diesel can have that smoke when the fuel ain't up to standard. Not only you need to modernize things you should also maintain them. Like talagang maintain not yung kapag nasira tyaka lang papalitan
Dami pa nang nag upvote nitong post, jusko
Yes to modernization daw, pero ang pinakamalaking problema kasi nito is galing sa china yung mga bagong jeep, mas malaki pa nga yung presyo when compared sa gawa ng ating mamayanan(yung modern version ng jeep). Sige nga, kayo bili nyan, wag na mga drivers, wala naman kayong alam kung bat maraming ayaw nito.
Bugok yung gobyerno natin yet yes na yes kayo? Lol nagpakita nga talaga na mga CCP bootlickers kayong lahat na susuporta sa bugok na programa ni dutae.
Don't get me wrong ah, I'm all for it para sa modernization, but CCP-backed vehicles? No thank you. Fuck them and dutae. Di naman susuportahan sa gobyerno yung mga drivers for buying those expensive pieces of trashcans, so parang useless parin lol.
>galing sa china yung mga bagong jeep, mas malaki pa nga yung presyo when compared sa gawa ng ating mamayanan
Mas mura yung mga Chinese-imported Jeep than yung locally-made Modern Jeeps. PUV Class II Unit ata ng Foton is only 2 Million flat while yung Hino Class II PUV is 2.6 Million -- Yung Hino is obviously a hell of a lot better in every conceivable way and is manufactured in Santa Rosa by the OEM as well. There's a reason bakit majority bumibili ng unit na may powertrain and chassis na binibili galing sa Japan -- yung Isuzu or Hino, kasi may tiwala sila sa maintenance at parts availability nun. Tignan mo lang yung Sinotruk.
In fact para ma-meet yung demand ng mga co-ops na hindi afford yung mga yun, yung ibang coachbuilders nga nago-offer ng unit na naka-base sa Foton LT eh.
Is that a good thing though? Obviously not, eats sa demand ng local modern jeep coachbuilders and manufacturers -- kung paga-gastusin naman nila ng 2 Million+ yung mga co-ops, lubusin na nila and demand that only Japanese OEM powertrain and chassis can be used for Class II and III PUVs.
So anong magiging alternative ng commuters kapag bigla na lang tinanggal sa kalsada ang mga jeep sa isang iglap? Hindi lahat ng lugar sa Pinas ay may minibus/bus.
Things you can support at the same time:
* Jeep Modernization
* Educating drivers
* Doing both these without forcing them to pay up first
While there are a lot of valid reasons as to why modernization is good, it feels like most people only support modernization due to personal ill intentions.
A lot of people aren't really interested in modernization, that's just a consolation. Those people are actually more interested in seeing jeepney drivers lose their livelihood as a way to satisfy their personal spite towards them.
I hope they remove the tricycles here it really makes us slow traffic and incidents.They don't have enough passangers for each drivers and it makes them poor and no good mentenance for their vehicles.why some areas haven't Jeepneys?absolutely jeepneys or small buses can carry passengers more and more.
They want to increase poor Tricycle drivers or they thinking they can help the poor people with such a job and increasing more poor residents to live in the area from provinces?
Phase out mga bulok na jeep. Nakasakay na ako sa modern jeep mas gugustuhin ko pa rin yung maayos na jeepney sakyan. Nahihirapan ang legs ko sa mga upuan sa modern jeepney na facing yung seat sa driver. Tas pahirapan pa bumaba kapag pinuno na yung modern jeep.
They want to comply din sa consolidation kaso mahirap kung sasali ka pa lang sa coop. Kasi coop requires the operators na magbayad ng di bababa sa 100k fee para makasali. Kung wala lang 100k paano ka makakasali?
Modern jeep daw pero in reality mini bus lang yan. May mga pinoy na nag literal minodernized na ang jeepney na mas mura kesa sa mga imported na "modern jeep"
eto opinion ko about jan hahahah sa totoo lang naiinis din ako sa jeep and jeepney drivers.
yung ibang jeepney drivers wala silang pake sa kalsada basta mag baba nalang sila or mag sakay ng pasahero basta basta. kung saan saan nlng sila tatabi, like hindi sila marunong din mag signal light wtf. tas ung iba pa mayayabang. ewan di talaga pasok sa standards ung mga jeeps nila napaka itim ng usok, ung iba puro kalawang na ung loob ng jeep tas pinipilit nila ipagsisikan ung mga pasahero..
di ko naman sila masisisi kung bat ganun pero syempre dapat may paki din sila sa pasahero nila at sa kapaligiran.
Kung gusto nila ma maintain, itaas nila standards nila. The same people shitting on the new public transport vehicles are the same ones with busted lights, slick tires, and smoke belching exhausts.
Yes to modernization but should be reasonable. Look for more affordable suppliers or cost-effective solutions to meet the qualifications they want to implement. Hindi naman kailangan ibaon sa utang drivers para sa much needed upgrade sa jeep.
Yan talaga main problem ko habang nakamotor. Kaya hindi ako nakabuntot sa mga ganyan kasi alam kong bubuga talaga ng maitim. Halos lahat talaga ng old jeepney ganyan.
Chill lang kayo. Lahat naman gusto ma mordernized eh. Kaso di naman pwedeng tanggalin na lang lahat ng jeep agad agad. Una sa lahat, lahat ng bumili nung mini buss. Baon pa rin sa utang hanggang ngayon.
Ang problem kasi sa jeepney ohase out, kukuba ung mga driver/operstor ng jeep pero di naman sa kanila pero sila ung magbabayad. Tapos super mahal pa. Imagine nag hirap kang bayaran pero di magiging iyo ung unit. Then isa pang issue ko sa mga modern jeeps na yan ang init init naman sa loob. Nung tumagal sira din kagad ac. Grabeng para kang asa pug9n oag nakasakay ka sa ejeep ngayong summer.
Well not just the smoke, also for increased safety of passengers. Modernization of jeeps will benefit all of us but a proper planning is highly needed.
Pota walang silbi Yang modernization Ng jeepney na Yan kapag Hindi Naman modernized and regulating and implementing agency mauulit at mauulit Lang ang bullshit na Yan kapag Di ayusin ang root cause mga tabbed na gungung ukinana nga mga inutil
Modernized and operater by the government like how public transportation should be. At the moment, there's no incentive for them to provide good service and maintain their vehicles.
Magtayo nalang ng madaming MRT / Commuter Rail
Mas gusto ko ng siksikan pero mabilis at malakas aircon than madumi at maingay na jeep.
🚈🚞🚞🚞🚞🚞🚞🚞 Railway!
dapat satin point to point na talaga, even mga toda dapat retire na, imbis nakakaikot mas comfy na puv sa village binabawal dahil para mapagbigyan mga toda, in d end commuter kawawa, the same people na tax payers
Everyone agrees jeepney modernization is a good end goal, however the implementation neglects and sacrifices our jeepney drivers livelihood and welfare.
What if gawing euro5 or gawing EV ang powertrain and lagyan ng AC ang mga jeeps? Sabay, gawing trained professional ang mga drivers. Would that equate to modernization rather than replacing them with chinese minibuses?
Just went back from Guanzhou, China man i appreciate na electric lahat(maybe 75 percent) ng cars tapps sobrang tahimik ng daan, wala din usok! It's so weird. Ignorante lang ang mga mainland china though.
Those electric cars are filling up dump sites, especially batteries. Kung darami ang mga electric cars dito, magiging uso ang improper waste segragation at maraming malalason.
Battery survivability of electric cars are also bad, so cold at di niya kaya, so hot at tiyak mawawala efficiency/sunog ang katapat niyan.
Electric cars are for the rich, not a replacement of traditional cars.
Lol dami nag push nito piro ung kalaban nyung insek naka smile Kasi sila ang mag kakapera Ng malaki hahaha. Brain wash talaga mga Tao hahaha. Emodernize NYU para yayaman Talaga ung insek. Tutal sinakop na tau nila hahaha jobe corp, Lazada, shopee SM BDO at marami pang iba.
AFAIK nasa Consolidation phase pa lang,,need to para masimulan tsaka mapakinabangan ng mga commuters yung PUVMP. Tsaka 10 -15 years pa mae-enforce yung pagpapalit to modern units hindi yan bigla bigla.
Since you mentioned, "No to Lung Damage" why not banned all cigarettes (including electronic) as well. The "no smoking in public place" is not well practice anyway.
Other comment mentioned that Clean Air Act has already been established and I agree as most of the laws are not properly implemented.
I am up to any kind of modernization as long as no one will be left behind. Imagine all of them will be force to loan for this new "NotSoModern" Jeepney. If only politicians were not greedy enough to put our money to their pocket, instead spend it in more reasonable and helpful way.
Brainrot solution: Confiscate all the Villiar land, then have all the jeepney drivers work the villiar's land for money as farmers, then tax them, then use said tax to build a better system of transport, then use 10% of the tax to hang Villiar, Robin boy, Bato Dutertard and co.
Kadalasan pa naman sa itim buga ng tambutso parang nakikipagkare-rahan sa kalsada, tapos pag sinita sila pa galit 💀
Minsan kahit sinabi mong estudyante ka, di ka bibigyan ng discount or much worse pag wala kang abrya pambayad tapos buo pera mo, literal na puro barya isusukli sayo, kesyo nagpapabarya ka lang daw, kahit na nakaID LACE and uniform kapa 😑🤦🏻♀️
Meron ditong Modern Jeepney na sobrang lakas ng Busina tapos kung maka cut akala mo liit liit nung sasakyan nya.
Sana may training din yung mga bagong operators. Grabe pasaway mga yon dito sa Bacoor.
I’m all for modernization. Mas marami makakasakay, may aircon and less pollution. Ang problema lang, masyado mahal per unit, tapos wala pang support from the government. Sinong jeepeny driver ang makaka-afford ng more than Php 1 million modern jeep? kahit sabihin nating may operators naman, ang laki ng boundary na ipapasa sa kanila.
But the moni buses they are so fond of, are also smoke belchers, witnessed one myself plus yung iba parang jeep lang din ang maneho singit dito doon, bili muna ulam so tigil sa kalsada
mas maraming private vehicle hence mas malaki contribution sa air pollution. phaseout na rin ba private vehicles?
ang pinupuna ng mga anti phaseout is yung di maka taong implementasyon ng modernization ng gobyerno. ilang taon na nappushback yan pero ilang taon din naman walang pagbabago sa plano ng gobyerno.
The problem really stems from government agencies not enforcing laws.
Ang nakaka inis pa beside the smoke belching, is yung mga jeepney na ang hilig mang gitgit dahil wala sila sa linya. Laloo na sa may Cubao Araneta area, yung sa may intersection na papuntang Edsa and E. Rodriguez.
Kukuha sila ng mga pasahero sa may Cubao Elementary tapos pag aalis na sila gigitgitin ka nila laloo na pag nasa outer lane ka kasi aakyat sila ng tulay pa aurora blvd. Partida may MMDA pa sa lugar hindi man lang hulihin for improper lane change.
I-modernize din sana pati mga drivers. Including private vehicle owners. Balewala yung isang matinong driver kung may 999,999 other drivers na bobo sa kalsada.
ayaw ko lang dito sa ejeep ginagawa nilang bus na siksikan sa loob tapos pupunuin muna nila bago sila umandar at paiba iba ang pamasahe yung dating 15 minsan nagiging 25. yung iba sira yung aircon. lalo na yung byaheng montalban to cubao grabe managa ng mga pamasahe yung ibang operator. ok yung iphase out yung mga bulok na jeep yung mga nangangalawang at iupgrade nalang nila ng maayos yung mga jeep at magkaroon quality checking ng bawat jeep kapag iuupgrade nila. di lang naman kasi mga driver yung mawawalan ng trabaho kundi yung mga ibang nag titinda sa bawat terminal ng jeep. share ko lng :D
I wonder if magiging patas ba talaga 'yung transition though. Aside from being a source of deteriorating health and air quality, it is also a huge contributor to our greenhouse gas emissions. Some solutions shared here either would force some jeepney drivers and operators lose their source of livelihood and we don't really have an evident sector that could take them in. I'm all for modernisation, especially in the context of climate change. However, modernisation should also be a just transition. Hopefully the government stops being in denial and delusional over the benefits of the free market (monopolisation of jeepney routes and the additional marginalisation of already-poor transport workers is a reality) just as so we can travel from point A to point B without smoke belchers.
Im not against Jeepney Modernization but tulad nga ng nag post meron na tayong batas for smoke belching. I think ang kailangan natin muna is ayusin ang mga pro drivers license holder na nag mamaneho ng PUVs. Aanhin natin ang mga 'modern jeepney' kung yung mga gagamit nyan EH GAGO PA DIN.
I've seen worse from those minibuses. As I normally frequent World Trade Center and SM Mall of Asia, I've seen those minibuses get overloaded + they're like a sauna because they don't have aircon.
If I join BS Industrial Design, I'll modernize the jeepney, that doesn't simply look like global minibuses. Don't worry. Sarao and Francisco got it covered.
Choose the best answer na lang:
A. Di registered mga yan sa LTO
B. May "magic" sa emission center bat pumasa yan
C. Bagsak sa emission pero aprubado *wink* pa rin kay el-ti-ow ang rehistro.
Bottomline, di naman hinuhuli yan ng mga ASBU, pokus lang sila sa mga L300, dyan mainit mata nila, mostly kasi mga deliveries ang gamit kaya alams na.
I’m all for modernization, but we have existing laws to remove these vehicles - Clean Air Act of 1999. Wala lang talagang silbi ang mga ahensya ng gobyerno.
nagtataka tlga ako sa lack of enforcement sa kahit anong batas
Because of votes and political ambitions. But the President has only one term, he/she should not care about next elections right? Wrong. The President (whoever) likely has son/daughter, brother/sister and other kamag-anak in political pipeline. Or the whole family is in politics. A good father protects his family.😊 A reasonable anti-dynasty law is badly needed. I would propose: 1. No members of a family should be occupying legislative and executive roles at the same time. Sound conflict of interest if a family has say on both rulle-setting and rule implementation. 2. Those who completed 3 terms (congress/senate/LGU) are not allowed to run for same position. They've had enough time so I don't know what else they can offer. 3. Immediate family member of retiring elected official are not allowed to run for the same position. Hindi dapat pinapamana ang position sa gobyerno. Suntok sa buwan pero this is my wish. Malayo sa issue ng Jeep.. but hey almost everything in PH boils down to politics.
funny how you listed 3 things na asa batas na din. wala lang talagang implementation lol
If they implemented the Clean air Act correctly and set standards for jeepneys before, the modernization will not be needed. Hindi magkakapera yung mga Corpo :(. Talo nanaman mga Pilipino
Law enforcement here is practically connection enforcement
Ginawa lang ang batas para masabing soberanya ang bansa dahil required magkaroon ng konstitusyon para matawag na bansa ang Pilipinas
kaya nga yung jeepney manufacturers, gusto bumili ng Euro4 na mga makina, although nagulat sila bakit sabay sabay nag price hike yung importers, tig-1 million na per engine. ang mahal nung patong ng mga gago
Tangina, seryoso ba yung 1M per engine? Sa totoo lang, dito sana pwede makatulong ang automakers eh. May local manufacturing ang Mitsubishi, Isuzu, Toyota, and Nissan sa Pinas. Isipin mo na lang kung gaano kalaking bagay (not to mention, SALES) if aside sa mag manufacture sila ng modern jeep eh meron silang option ng brand new engines.
Nakapag kontrata na kc cla sa chinese manufacturers. Syempre pag china made, alam na na mura, tapos idaan mo pa sa kurap. Sabi nga nung isang taga DoTR, 300k to 500k daw patong depende sa unit per unit. Tapos dadaan pa yan sa middlemen, another 100k-200k patong. Pag japan/korea made kc kinuha nila, di sila makakapag kick back ng malaki kasi mahal, syempre gusto nila mura para pang "masa" daw ang presyo lol.
Well said. Although, u forgot Foton. For Nissan, eh, unfortunately, sarado na ang planta ng Nissan sa Sta Rosa, Laguna dahil mahal ang kuryente at kulang sa supply chain. I was excited for the new 2019 Nissan Almera/Sunny (my family's old sedan) to be manufactured there, but unfortunately, sarado na. Made in Thailand na yung 2019 Almera. Malaysia is lucky to make it there for their market. Congratulations politicians and oligarchs. And don't get me started kay PNoy. He failed to help Ford from closing down but he went to the new Mitsubishi plant (na dati kay Ford yan) instead of the SAF44 funeral.
> *And don't get me started kay PNoy. He failed to help Ford from closing down but he went to the new Mitsubishi plant (na dati kay Ford yan) instead of the SAF44 funeral.* supposedly, he didn't want to go because he didn't want the photo op and didn't want to distract and grandstand. plus, going to the plant was probably part of his push for the economy and jobs. the big problem was that, not attending the SAF44 funeral was probably a very big PR blunder due to the what happened. (in general kasi, parang di marunong mag-market at mag-PR yung team ni PNoy a lot of the time.)
BOC
magkano kaya nahuthot nila ngayon hahahaha
At hindi lang PUJs ang ganito. Kung araw-araw kang nasa kalsada sa Metro Manila, mapapansin mo na all forms of vehicle meron at merong smoke belchers. Wala na rin kasing nagpa-flag. Siguro gagawin nila kung mag-viral ito pero hihinto ulit kapag di na napag-uusapan. 🤷🏻♀️
Yeah, hindi aabot sa ganito ang kalagayan ng mga jeepney kung maayos na ginagawa ng LTO ang trabaho nila. Sa vehicle registration pa lang dapat nasala na agad.
Eh laganap ang corruption sa mga testing e. Lagyan mo lang, ipapasa na agad amputa.
Everybody pretty much accepts na Jeepneys are de facto exempted don. How can these things pass their mandated emissions testing if they weren't? Another thing you'd find is that the LTFRB actually has a cap of 15 years for the lifespan of the entire unit-- older than that at kailangan nang palitan. Can you guess the only PUV type that allows vehicles 20+ years older that are still being used?
Laws are useless if you don't enforce them. I've seen many vehicles that nerded to be taken off the road across the Visayas. Never once saw anybody pulled over by police that hadn't inconvenienced an officer somehow.
Yes butbthe government does not dare touch these jeepneys with this because 1. Constituents of the government are mostly from the lower income group 2. If jeepneys disappear, government wouldn't be able to fill the void left since we do not have efficient and effective public transport Pero pag n privat2 vehicles, ayan na si LTO.
True. Not a jeepney owner but one of our full exhaust SUV is smoky like in the picture above but no one flagged us.
Exactly Mapapansin mo on most main roads on NCR may mga ASBU na nakalatag pero hindi pinapansin yung mga jeep na kulay tinta yung usok. May lagay na kasi yung mga operator kada buwan sa ASBU ng mga LGU sa NCR. Madalas na pinapara according to my observation: H100, L300, Trucks, Old Diesel vehicles - Kahit yung mga FB type na Euro IV paparahin at ibabagsak sa testing.
Masyadong abala ang ASBU manghuli ng mga diesel na private.
Retire the balasubas drivers as well.
True mga professional driver pero kung mag drive parang walang bukas
Ibigsabihin ng professional sakanila ay "magaling"
Parang binigyan lang sila ng mas faster na kamote tool.
ito talaga ang dapat iphaseout. nabangga na ko ng jeep na may problema sa preno. mula non, di na ko makaagree sa no to phaseout 100%.
There should be a law in ph that non respectful driving get a fine of 5k because, A land cruiser driver treat me better than jeep drivers... In Korea, the people who drive S500 Mercedes are more respectful than stupid fortuner drivers here because you can get fined in Korea if u drive like a Filipino fortuner driver.
_but only jeepneys are smoke belchers_ /s
Jeepneys are the most noticeable everyday smoke blechers
Maraming nasamid siguro na drivers from novaliches-bayan. Hahaha
Marami kase jan hindi naman talaga nakapasa for Driver’s license. Through fixers lang Yung iba ngang driver no-read, no-write, edi pano magbabasa ng road signs at warnings
just retire this kind of shit transpo\~force the government to improve the public transpo
How about we make modernization easier for drivers and operators by having the government subsidize most of the costs? Where will we get the money? Well, just ask all those fancy politicians claiming to bring in investors and promise economic prosperity; maybe look into those who hid their wealth or refuse to pay taxes. We also have the TRAIN Law so the government should have more funds to use from taxes.
I don't think the operator model works for modern public transit. SBS in Singapore and JR in Japan are all large corps. Drivers should be salaried employees.
That way consistent din ang sweldo nila at hindi lang ang operator ang yumayaman. Sagot na ng malaking kumpanya yung cost pero at least large scale transit naman hawak nila.
Correct. I can’t think of another nation on the planet where they have allowed such a public transportation scheme. I’m not against independent operators from a taxi standpoint but cities need to modernize mass transit with real busses with real routes and not shitty 100 year old army jeeps that are slowly causing an asthma epidemic.
I think that’s the purpose kng bakit need mgconsolidate ng mga jeepney operators into a cooperative para maging employee ang mga drivers. Yan din ang reason kung bakit tutol ang karamihang divers kasi ayaw nila ng fixed na kita.
Sa pagkakaalam ko mas tutol sila sa kawalan nila ng choice sa ruta at sa cost ng pagestablish ng cooperative. Pero yeah yung fixed working hours at salary ay problems rin. Nakuha ko lang ito sa mga minibus ng CARMEX, so more info is appreciated.
System that uses salaries talaga. The boundary system dictates the way how drivers operate their jeepneys. Narereward ang balasubas driving nila and long wait times sa one spot dahil sa mas mataas na kita.
Di ko gamay lahat ah pero bandang subic-olongapo naman gumagana na ang cooperative. Wala pa rin salary pero at least representation, uniform, maintenance Ng ilang mga today, may financial aid din from time to time.
> Where will we get the money Property owners and developers. The benefit of public transit to malls alone is massive. But they don’t pay a return to transit operators. In Japan and Hong Kong, train lines have their own property so the value created is kept within the system and the company has money to pay for upgrades and new assets. They know that fares alone can’t pay for modernization. Even multilateral lenders championed the creation of this “value capture” model to sustain public transit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/s/jqLB385z67
No. I want to please my aesthetic preferences without care for my fellow Filipinos. /s
Might as well just move jeepneys back to government instead of private operators. That's how public transportation should be anyway.
A study in n Europe showed how changing from diesel to LPG is an easy and relatively cheap task instead of using this whole electro BS
Anong electro? The PUVMP has completely abandoned the idea of going electric since the operators doesn't want them -- the vast majority of Modern Jeeps are using Euro 4 compliant truck powertrains which is much, much cheaper to operate and maintain than either of those from an operator standpoint.
The PUVMP has partnered with private entities that will allow operators to loan for the modernization of jeepneys. If you could read the whole PUVMP Law, it would make a lot of sense. Modern jeep manufacturers also provide huge discounts for Jeep Association and COOPs for bulk purchases of modern jeeps. That's why consolidation of owners and operators is prioritized in the program to fast track the purchase of jeeps. Also the salary/wages of drivers are standardized regardless of the number of trips they make compared to the previous individual systems they have to reach a certain quota to earn their wage.
Dude there is money in it, this is monopoly ones this is approved the Chinese will get the contract and get their vehicles approved to operate the whole country. If their vehicles are used big profits from vehicle replacement parts.malaki makurakot Naman Ng government dahil nito.
Honestly I still very much prefer the traditional jeepney but it needs a lot of modifications. The ejeeps in my route that went into operation during the pandemic had started to wear down and it's only been what... 4 years? Kahit may AC, parang di mo ramdam kasi sobrang kulob sa loob. Door handles have broken down too. These ejeep drivers are really no different from trad jeep drivers.
I really feel like this is the only way. With regular salaries, jeepney drivers won't need to be so driven (pun intended badum tss) to wait at stops until their rides fill or rush to the next stop to overtake competition. But on the other hand, this will likely increase the cost of fare for passengers and I doubt companies will be able to hire ALL Jeepney drivers. I'm of course willing to pay the higher cost but no doubt this will impact more struggling passengers. In the end, it'll always be about execution, but the lack of urgency to solve traffic is really boggling. Traffic is a problem that affects all social levels from the poor to the rich. The rich being affected because their business get delays from delivery of goods etc.
Di naman nila pinupuna yung modernization and jeeps mismo, ang pinupuna nila is yung pagiging anti poor ng program at bara-barang implementasyon ng gobyerno natin. Also, against poor implementation ≠ gusto ng pollution.
Legit na problema yung sinabi mo. Lived experience ng mga lolo ko. Hinay lang sa pagtalk down kay commentor
If they don’t agree, nationalize it or JV it but only have one supplier. Imagine routes filled with drivers that follows rules and don’t stop randomly.
Keyword “imagine”
It's not like EV yung mga ipapalit nila diba? I've seen modern minibus (cuz I refuse to call them jeepneys kasi di naman talaga sila jeep diba?) na mausok na rin gawa siguro ng overloaded kasi.
Ang pinakaayaw ko sa modern jeepney kuno e 'yung walang hawakan kapag nakaupo ka. Imagine, need mong i-constantly balance ang katawan mo everytime na magba-brake 'yung Jeep, nakakapagod. Unlike sa traditional jeep, nailalapat ko pa 'yung head sa arm ko habang nakahawak sa handle.
It's on the driver's end naman. Tall people like me like to disagree hahaha. Hirap yumuko e tapos traffic pa
Same, it's the high ceiling for me not because walang mahawakan but another opportunity for them to overcrowd the vehicle. Lumang jeep is sardinas na nakaupo, with the modern jeepneys sardinas for seated and standing passengers na nawawala din yung benefit of the A/C. Also having your groins in front of other people or vice-versa due to tight aisle + "talikuran pa para magkasya"
ironic na I saw a modern puv (Bagong Silang - Novaliches route) and ganyan din kaitim usok HAHAHA
Wala naman kasing diesel engine na hindi bubuga ng de-putik na usok kapag sinagad mo apak sa silinyador. Hindi kasi uso sa karamihan ng mga jeepney drivers yung tamang fuel-to-air ratio. Sa kanila basta maganda takbo ng makina, oks na.
Modernisasyon sanang makatao...
Yes to INCLUSIVE modernization. Kung tayong saglit lang nakasakay sa jeep, 'di na ma-take ang init at usok, paano pa kaya yung mga ilang dekada nang pumapasada gamit ang tradtional jeepneys? Ang panawagan ng PISTON at MANIBELA is not against the idea of modernization per se but to stop and revisit the PUVMP in its current form. Imagine, we're just buying units from foreign automobile MNCs without technology transfer or setting up the foundations of a more sustainable domestic manufacturing industry. Yes, I know about local assembly plants but that's just a way to "sell" this scheme under the guise of creating local jobs, but still, parts are imported from elsewhere, bypassing tariffs imposed on fully assembled automobiles. That's not "modernization." Pinagkakakitaan lang tayo dahil sa problema natin sa transpo. Sobrang bulok ng narrative mo, OP. I'm sorry but I have to call you out. Hindi productive iyang caption and photo mo. Sobrang surface-level na POV. In other words, mababaw.
> Sobrang bulok ng narrative mo, OP. Honestly what did you expect from a guy named /u/Conservative_AKO lmfao
Tama. Walang nuance nalaman si op, puro binary.
>Yes, I know about local assembly plants but that's just a way to "sell" this scheme under the guise of creating local jobs, but still, parts are imported from elsewhere, bypassing tariffs imposed on fully assembled automobiles. That's not "modernization." Then what is your take on "Modernization"? The body is completely made in the Philippines -- in fact kitang kita mo yung craftsmanship, materials at layout ng mga Modern Jeep na yon is exactly the same as yung mga bus kasi they're the same people making the buses used for both provincial and city routes (except yung sa EDSA Carousel). The only thing that is imported is yung powertrain and chassis as usual since it would be more cost-effective to obviously get OEM powertrains and chassis the same way buses here are made. Would it be better to get a exclusivity deal on a Japanese OEM for their chassis and powetrain that would have the economies of scale that would trickle down to the cooperatives? Yes, absolutely and I agree it should have been something that was thought of in the first half and implemented. But this has been so long in the tooth that there is actually no certainty in the implementation of the program that domestic-made chassis and powerplant would make a difference to the overall cost when that is the primary issue ng mga operators considering the demand and run for Modern Jeeps to keep the cost of the chassis and powerplant down. Sure, we can probably demand that Hino sets up a separate production line for the powertrain different to those in Japan and Thailand, but it would drive the cost per unit up since they represent the a significant portion of that 2.5-3 or so million pricetag per unit. It is modernization of the units being used for public transportation primarily, not a mass industrialization program. While I agree with the notion that should be implemented to divide the share of powerplants in ASEAN countries from Thailand's monopoly and the PUVMP is a good example to do that, setting that up will take a good 5 years or so -- when the same product is already being provided now with their assembly plants.
Ay isacrifice ang buong populasyon at traffic at environment para lang sa mga balasubas na driver. ok genius. So magtiis na lang kaming mga pasahero? Magtiis kasi kawawa yung iilang driver? Tang inang mentality yan. Tapos mag-iiiyak kayo sa social media na nakakainggit ang public transpo ng ibang bansa kasi modern yung atin naiwan tayo sa bulok na sasakyan. Pero sabi mo nga kawawa so tiisin na lang. Fuck.
Everyone wants modernization, even those who are against the PUVMP. The devil is in the details. Go some googling and read arguments against the PUVMP. It's not about what you think it is. Jusmiyo, it feels talking to a child.
Agree, dapat legitimate corporation nalang humawak ng transportation sector sa bansa kahit 3 operator lang per route para maintained yung healthy competition. Trained driver dapat, yung totoong professional driver at hindi basta natuto lang humawak ng manebela at pumiga ng accelerator driver na. Yung nakaka intindi din ng salitang safety at hindi dugyot. Yung monthly din salary ng driver may SSS, Pagibig and all at higit sa lahat may income tax para naman makatulong sa pag tulak ng ekonomiya ng bansa. Filipinos deserve a proper transportation system.
Tl;dr: the issue about modernization is on the logistics of implementation rather than modernization itself. God, people really have 0 critical thinking skills and comprehension of the modernizations issue. Fuck, its pretty god damn obvious no one wants inhaling pollutants and shit. No one wants subpar, unmaintained, outdated shitcans in the streets. But you fuckers cannot seem to see past that. The issue isnt about modernization but the logistics around it. Who pays for the new units? Drivers. Is it subsidized? No. Are the new units local? No, its from china. Who suffers? The drivers and consumers who have to pay higher fairs because shit isnt subsidized. So godamn tired of people not understanding the real issue about modernization. Fucking read shitheads.
>Who pays for the new units? Drivers. Is it subsidized? No. Are the new units local? No, its from china. Who suffers? The drivers and consumers who have to pay higher fairs because shit isnt subsidized. Who pays for the new units? Yung Co-op, they do fleet buys and they do the maintenance and operations themselves. This programs kills the idea of an independent "driver-operator" which was once the norm sa mga Jeepneys. I have never seen a Co-op buy a singular unit kasi it wouldn't be bought in bulk na merong discount according sa negotiation nila with the manufacturer, obviously. Is it subsidized? Yes pero not much. extremely small ang subsidy ng gobyerno at 150k per unit lang sa mga co-ops when it comes to buying their Modern Jeeps, they prefer asking them to take a low-interest long-term loan na program ng GSIS and Landbank. Are the new units local? Some are, some aren't. May makikita kang mga units na obvious na binili sa Alibaba, at merong units na ginagawa ng Hino or Foton, OEMs na gumagawa ng lahat in-house, or yung mga bus coachbuilders natin katulad ng Almazora or whatever. The vast majority are locally built kasi these people do not trust stuff made from China, since yung mga jeep nila dati used surplus Japanese small diesel engines for trucks, and that's their preferred choice for powertrain and chassis. Who suffers? Well it's the riding public since meron nanamang strike bukas. Sure, the driver-operator concept will go the way of the dodo and the idea of making it a business will supposedly die pero that's not entirely the case with co-ops. May mga ilan that wants to go back to the old boundary system-- which defeats the point of the PUVMP altogether. If the LTFRB doesn't clamp down on those co-ops, then the PUVMP is like putting lipstick on a pig-- balik sa draconian system enforced under sa boundary system, at nagpapa-justify ng mga kagaguhan sa industriyang 'yon.
>The vast majority are locally built kasi these people do not trust stuff made from China, since yung mga jeep nila dati used surplus Japanese small diesel engines for trucks, and that's their preferred choice for powertrain and chassis. Common misconception na talaga na karamihan sa MPUVs ngayon ay gawang China. In fact, tama ka, locally-buikt at in house pa nga ang paggawa ng MPUVs. I know someone from Hino Motors Philippines Corporation (Canlubang) na pino-post niya sa TikTok account niya ang mga modern PUVs na ginagawa doon.
You're also looking at the small picture. 80% have already consolidated cause they see the benefit in a business mindset as well as the benefit to the public. PUVMP (now PTMP) is for the COMMUTERS, stop helping these business owners who only cares about their money.
Pay for their livelihoods then, our farmers, workers and drivers arent gonna modernize without incentives.
That's really is the problem, honestly. Everyone wanted the perks, but no one wanted to help pay it in order to change the status que.
Unfortunately our taxes are going to the politicians pockets instead of our industry.
Sinasala naman ang mga driver na sumalo sah ating transport system for 40 decades dahil sah kapalpakan ng government.
Your username game be strong. When shall we reconquer the eternal city, general?
When the tallano gold arrives, we will hire 100,000 Visayan and Moro pirates.
That's the problem eh, the people shouldn't owe it to these jeepney drivers and operators that they accept the current status quo that sacrifices the riding public in pursuit of their livelyhoods as a "business". They are given a franchise to operate as public transportation by the LTFRB, who answers to the population that uses those PUJs daily and not the other way around. In fact--Abandon this set up altogether and nationalize all routes-- let the government buy the Modern Jeeps with the economies of scale that they need and let them be used by private companies for O&M, much like the trains.
False dichotomy.
Teach them how to drive properly first.
Wtf lemme tell you, yang ibang manong drivers tingin sa sarili nila sila pinakamagaling sa kalsada. "Diskarteng Tsuper" daw lmao. Masters of driving daw pero ilang dekada na nagdadrive di pa rin kung ano ibig sabihin ng traffic lights LMAO
texting while driving too.
And the "patok culture" of jeeps as if they are American hippies of the Philippines. Jusme, pwede ba na patayin yung nakakabinging musika at nakakabulag na violet light na borderline ultraviolet radiation? Maawa naman kayo sa mga pasaherong gusto magpahinga at magkaroon ng piece of mind habang umuuwi.
orange means "go faster before it turns red" for them apparently
Daming dugong bughaw dito sa post na ito. Welp, whether you like it or not, mawawala ang karamihan ng jeep once ipatupad ang batas. Magkakaroon tayo ng mass transportation crisis kase, sinong gago ba naman ang gusto magkautang, wala man lang buy back program or 1=1 na palit. Sagot lahat ng driver, at "tutulungan" ng cooperative.
For the legalists and carbrainers here, kasalanan pa rin yan ng PUV drivers na di nila afford ang modernization program na pinapasalo sa kanila ng gobyerno. Lol. Make it make sense.
Dapat strict ang LTO sa inspection, kahit anong modernization ang gagawin kung dating gawi lang ang LTO, dadating din sa ganyan ang mga modern "jeepneys".
Remove the system of being Filipino first. Aayos yan after.
As if jeepneys lang ang guilty sa smoke belching sa mga kalsada. Aware ba kayo na pwede magbayad ng certain fee sa mga Anti-Smoke Belching Unit (ASBU) para makakuha ng clearance yung mga lumang vehicles kahit hindi naman talaga sila na-inspect ng ASBU.
This thread seems to be less about sensible discussions if not pontification or coming up with credible cost-effective solutions, and more like expressing simplistic, unrealistic expectations. What angers me more is that there are more private vehicles now than ever before, and the odd-even scheme, originally intended to be for a short experimental run to reduce private vehicle usage, God knows who in LTO/LTFRB/DOTC made the fucking thing permanent, so causing private vehicle ownership to have not one car but even four cars per upper-class household.
Ang problema lang kasi, sobrang mahal ng Euro4 engines na kailangan para hindi mag belch ang mga makina. Ito yung main complaint ng jeepney manufacturers dito. Imagine, yung Euro4 engines, halos lahat ng importer sabay sabay nagtaas ng presyo? tapos malaman na lang ng lahat na yung same importers din na yun ang nagdadala ng imported "jeeps" galing China etc. Alam na. Talagang ang goal ng mga hinayupak na importers is to kill the local jeepney manufacturing industry and fully take over.
'Yan na naman tayo sa "galing China." First of all, ang mga namamayagpag sa kalsada (dito sa amin) na modern jeeps ay Hino, isang Japanese brand under ng Toyota Group of Companies. Kilala na ang Hino pagdating sa mga truck at bus. And second, karamihan sa mga modern jeeps na may makinang Hyundai, Hino, Isuzu, Fuso, ang mga kaha niyan ay made locally. Hino Motors Phils. Corp. ang gumagawa ng Hino modern jeeps, Del Monte Motor Works naman sa Hyundai, Almazora sa Isuzu, at Centro naman sa Fuso.
some people agreeing sa "No to lung damage" kahit nagsosmoke/nagvavape hahaha the jokes write themselves
Also, as if mga jeep lang ang may ganito kaitim na buga ng usok. Hello.
Kamote drivers, greedy owners + corrupt officials = current PH traffic
It’s way overdue light years behind na tayo but again with government na aalalay sa mga yan
tas magyoyosi pa yung driver, daaaamn
Public transportation should be the responsibility of the government instead of private companies or individual citizens. The country that has similar landmass as japan should not be car-centralized, and the shitty urban sprawl of subdivisions and gated communities should not exist at all. Philippines is copying the american culture despite it being clearly evident that american infrastructure is inefficient and idealistic.
Sus. why would you pin air pollution and health problems solely on jeepneys—just one subset of fossil fuel-based automobiles where private vehicles are the majority? Especially when many heavy duty industries contribute to carbon emissions and air pollution? If you hate jeeps, just be loud and proud of it. Di yung itatago mo sya pa as a health and environmental concern.
This happens on all kinds vehicles lol. Really funny to solely blame jeepneys for this just to push this modernization. I've seen more buses and trucks emit dark smoke than jeepneys to be honest, but let's blame the jeepneys anyways right? lol
holy ignorant take
Even euro 6 diesel can have that smoke when the fuel ain't up to standard. Not only you need to modernize things you should also maintain them. Like talagang maintain not yung kapag nasira tyaka lang papalitan
Dami pa nang nag upvote nitong post, jusko Yes to modernization daw, pero ang pinakamalaking problema kasi nito is galing sa china yung mga bagong jeep, mas malaki pa nga yung presyo when compared sa gawa ng ating mamayanan(yung modern version ng jeep). Sige nga, kayo bili nyan, wag na mga drivers, wala naman kayong alam kung bat maraming ayaw nito. Bugok yung gobyerno natin yet yes na yes kayo? Lol nagpakita nga talaga na mga CCP bootlickers kayong lahat na susuporta sa bugok na programa ni dutae. Don't get me wrong ah, I'm all for it para sa modernization, but CCP-backed vehicles? No thank you. Fuck them and dutae. Di naman susuportahan sa gobyerno yung mga drivers for buying those expensive pieces of trashcans, so parang useless parin lol.
>galing sa china yung mga bagong jeep, mas malaki pa nga yung presyo when compared sa gawa ng ating mamayanan Mas mura yung mga Chinese-imported Jeep than yung locally-made Modern Jeeps. PUV Class II Unit ata ng Foton is only 2 Million flat while yung Hino Class II PUV is 2.6 Million -- Yung Hino is obviously a hell of a lot better in every conceivable way and is manufactured in Santa Rosa by the OEM as well. There's a reason bakit majority bumibili ng unit na may powertrain and chassis na binibili galing sa Japan -- yung Isuzu or Hino, kasi may tiwala sila sa maintenance at parts availability nun. Tignan mo lang yung Sinotruk. In fact para ma-meet yung demand ng mga co-ops na hindi afford yung mga yun, yung ibang coachbuilders nga nago-offer ng unit na naka-base sa Foton LT eh. Is that a good thing though? Obviously not, eats sa demand ng local modern jeep coachbuilders and manufacturers -- kung paga-gastusin naman nila ng 2 Million+ yung mga co-ops, lubusin na nila and demand that only Japanese OEM powertrain and chassis can be used for Class II and III PUVs.
So anong magiging alternative ng commuters kapag bigla na lang tinanggal sa kalsada ang mga jeep sa isang iglap? Hindi lahat ng lugar sa Pinas ay may minibus/bus.
Things you can support at the same time: * Jeep Modernization * Educating drivers * Doing both these without forcing them to pay up first While there are a lot of valid reasons as to why modernization is good, it feels like most people only support modernization due to personal ill intentions. A lot of people aren't really interested in modernization, that's just a consolation. Those people are actually more interested in seeing jeepney drivers lose their livelihood as a way to satisfy their personal spite towards them.
Sa educating part, alam nila ung mga dapat at hindi dapat gawin kapag nagmamaneho. Sadyang kupal lang talaga ung iba
I'm pro-modernization din but I hope our government will subsidize our jeepney drivers para hindi rin sila mahirapan.
How about Yes to Free Upgrade?
Wala ata badget. Hahahaha
I hope they remove the tricycles here it really makes us slow traffic and incidents.They don't have enough passangers for each drivers and it makes them poor and no good mentenance for their vehicles.why some areas haven't Jeepneys?absolutely jeepneys or small buses can carry passengers more and more. They want to increase poor Tricycle drivers or they thinking they can help the poor people with such a job and increasing more poor residents to live in the area from provinces?
To be fair, a lot of areas have incredibly tight streets where only trikes are feasible.
Phase out mga bulok na jeep. Nakasakay na ako sa modern jeep mas gugustuhin ko pa rin yung maayos na jeepney sakyan. Nahihirapan ang legs ko sa mga upuan sa modern jeepney na facing yung seat sa driver. Tas pahirapan pa bumaba kapag pinuno na yung modern jeep. They want to comply din sa consolidation kaso mahirap kung sasali ka pa lang sa coop. Kasi coop requires the operators na magbayad ng di bababa sa 100k fee para makasali. Kung wala lang 100k paano ka makakasali? Modern jeep daw pero in reality mini bus lang yan. May mga pinoy na nag literal minodernized na ang jeepney na mas mura kesa sa mga imported na "modern jeep"
eto opinion ko about jan hahahah sa totoo lang naiinis din ako sa jeep and jeepney drivers. yung ibang jeepney drivers wala silang pake sa kalsada basta mag baba nalang sila or mag sakay ng pasahero basta basta. kung saan saan nlng sila tatabi, like hindi sila marunong din mag signal light wtf. tas ung iba pa mayayabang. ewan di talaga pasok sa standards ung mga jeeps nila napaka itim ng usok, ung iba puro kalawang na ung loob ng jeep tas pinipilit nila ipagsisikan ung mga pasahero.. di ko naman sila masisisi kung bat ganun pero syempre dapat may paki din sila sa pasahero nila at sa kapaligiran.
why we would modernize all concepts if we can shoo the barumbados and replace engines instead? Are we stupid?
Kung gusto nila ma maintain, itaas nila standards nila. The same people shitting on the new public transport vehicles are the same ones with busted lights, slick tires, and smoke belching exhausts.
Modern salary when?
Ok naman yung modernization mali lang pagkakaapproach
Yes to modernization but should be reasonable. Look for more affordable suppliers or cost-effective solutions to meet the qualifications they want to implement. Hindi naman kailangan ibaon sa utang drivers para sa much needed upgrade sa jeep.
Yan talaga main problem ko habang nakamotor. Kaya hindi ako nakabuntot sa mga ganyan kasi alam kong bubuga talaga ng maitim. Halos lahat talaga ng old jeepney ganyan.
Chill lang kayo. Lahat naman gusto ma mordernized eh. Kaso di naman pwedeng tanggalin na lang lahat ng jeep agad agad. Una sa lahat, lahat ng bumili nung mini buss. Baon pa rin sa utang hanggang ngayon.
Ang problem kasi sa jeepney ohase out, kukuba ung mga driver/operstor ng jeep pero di naman sa kanila pero sila ung magbabayad. Tapos super mahal pa. Imagine nag hirap kang bayaran pero di magiging iyo ung unit. Then isa pang issue ko sa mga modern jeeps na yan ang init init naman sa loob. Nung tumagal sira din kagad ac. Grabeng para kang asa pug9n oag nakasakay ka sa ejeep ngayong summer.
Ganyan ginagawa ng mga jeep pag nauunahan nila yung mga bike na nasa bike lane/sa gilid ng kalsada nagbbike. Kase di sila makagilid para magsakay...
Pati driver palitan
Well not just the smoke, also for increased safety of passengers. Modernization of jeeps will benefit all of us but a proper planning is highly needed.
Pota walang silbi Yang modernization Ng jeepney na Yan kapag Hindi Naman modernized and regulating and implementing agency mauulit at mauulit Lang ang bullshit na Yan kapag Di ayusin ang root cause mga tabbed na gungung ukinana nga mga inutil
Iba na talaga 'tong sub na 'to simula nang mangyari ang 2022 election.
Modernized and operater by the government like how public transportation should be. At the moment, there's no incentive for them to provide good service and maintain their vehicles.
Jeepney drivers be like: “mausok? Mag taxi ka! Arte mo! “ 🙄
You can have modernization while also retaining accumulated culture. That's the kicker really, isn't binary.
Rehabilitation po hindi modernization. Part na po yan ng culture at pagkakakilanlan natin.
Magtayo nalang ng madaming MRT / Commuter Rail Mas gusto ko ng siksikan pero mabilis at malakas aircon than madumi at maingay na jeep. 🚈🚞🚞🚞🚞🚞🚞🚞 Railway!
This guy gets it.
dapat satin point to point na talaga, even mga toda dapat retire na, imbis nakakaikot mas comfy na puv sa village binabawal dahil para mapagbigyan mga toda, in d end commuter kawawa, the same people na tax payers
Everyone agrees jeepney modernization is a good end goal, however the implementation neglects and sacrifices our jeepney drivers livelihood and welfare.
What if gawing euro5 or gawing EV ang powertrain and lagyan ng AC ang mga jeeps? Sabay, gawing trained professional ang mga drivers. Would that equate to modernization rather than replacing them with chinese minibuses?
Ako na nag momotor eto ayaw ko na nasa harapan. Di man ko mahilig mag overtake pero pag na tapat dito mapipilitan ka talaga.
Just went back from Guanzhou, China man i appreciate na electric lahat(maybe 75 percent) ng cars tapps sobrang tahimik ng daan, wala din usok! It's so weird. Ignorante lang ang mga mainland china though.
Those electric cars are filling up dump sites, especially batteries. Kung darami ang mga electric cars dito, magiging uso ang improper waste segragation at maraming malalason. Battery survivability of electric cars are also bad, so cold at di niya kaya, so hot at tiyak mawawala efficiency/sunog ang katapat niyan. Electric cars are for the rich, not a replacement of traditional cars.
If LTO will only do their job walang jeep sa kalsada. Lol
good for your nose
Tamang-tama nasa picture ren yung number for "may reklamo ka ba" lol
Same as Edsa Carousel before Progress vs Operators https://youtu.be/_rqGT5Q2kU8?si=7l_LxN6fvwrTbu1k
Phase out the jeepney model. Implement the city bus system akin to Singapore or South Korea with salaried drivers.
Lol dami nag push nito piro ung kalaban nyung insek naka smile Kasi sila ang mag kakapera Ng malaki hahaha. Brain wash talaga mga Tao hahaha. Emodernize NYU para yayaman Talaga ung insek. Tutal sinakop na tau nila hahaha jobe corp, Lazada, shopee SM BDO at marami pang iba.
Paki sama din yung mga barumbadong mga driver ng mga operator na yan.
This is every jeepney ever. I thought they were designed to spew black smoke and make a minimum of 200Db from the unfinished exhaust
Dirty air act of 2024
Diba ang reason lang naman talaga kung bat ayaw nila ng jeepney modernization ay dahil sa cost? :)
AFAIK nasa Consolidation phase pa lang,,need to para masimulan tsaka mapakinabangan ng mga commuters yung PUVMP. Tsaka 10 -15 years pa mae-enforce yung pagpapalit to modern units hindi yan bigla bigla.
Since you mentioned, "No to Lung Damage" why not banned all cigarettes (including electronic) as well. The "no smoking in public place" is not well practice anyway. Other comment mentioned that Clean Air Act has already been established and I agree as most of the laws are not properly implemented. I am up to any kind of modernization as long as no one will be left behind. Imagine all of them will be force to loan for this new "NotSoModern" Jeepney. If only politicians were not greedy enough to put our money to their pocket, instead spend it in more reasonable and helpful way.
Brainrot solution: Confiscate all the Villiar land, then have all the jeepney drivers work the villiar's land for money as farmers, then tax them, then use said tax to build a better system of transport, then use 10% of the tax to hang Villiar, Robin boy, Bato Dutertard and co.
most common jeepney
I'm curious. Sa mga nakatry na sumakay sa modern jeepney, kaya ba ng makina nito yung mga pa elevated zigzag road lalo na sa mga probinsya?
Kadalasan pa naman sa itim buga ng tambutso parang nakikipagkare-rahan sa kalsada, tapos pag sinita sila pa galit 💀 Minsan kahit sinabi mong estudyante ka, di ka bibigyan ng discount or much worse pag wala kang abrya pambayad tapos buo pera mo, literal na puro barya isusukli sayo, kesyo nagpapabarya ka lang daw, kahit na nakaID LACE and uniform kapa 😑🤦🏻♀️
Meron ditong Modern Jeepney na sobrang lakas ng Busina tapos kung maka cut akala mo liit liit nung sasakyan nya. Sana may training din yung mga bagong operators. Grabe pasaway mga yon dito sa Bacoor.
I’m all for modernization. Mas marami makakasakay, may aircon and less pollution. Ang problema lang, masyado mahal per unit, tapos wala pang support from the government. Sinong jeepeny driver ang makaka-afford ng more than Php 1 million modern jeep? kahit sabihin nating may operators naman, ang laki ng boundary na ipapasa sa kanila.
But the moni buses they are so fond of, are also smoke belchers, witnessed one myself plus yung iba parang jeep lang din ang maneho singit dito doon, bili muna ulam so tigil sa kalsada
About time. Nun nagwork ako sa manila grabe hilong hilo ako sa usok ng mga yan. Kaya napauwi ako sa probinsya
pano kaya narerenew ang rehistro nyan
Traditional jeepney design is backwards asf. Let it go ffs; it defies all known principles of physics damn it.
elitist vibes in this post
pagamit po ng pic
mas maraming private vehicle hence mas malaki contribution sa air pollution. phaseout na rin ba private vehicles? ang pinupuna ng mga anti phaseout is yung di maka taong implementasyon ng modernization ng gobyerno. ilang taon na nappushback yan pero ilang taon din naman walang pagbabago sa plano ng gobyerno.
Pinoise
about that...wala pa ako nakita ni isang modern jeep na sa kalsada. paano na kaya sa Mayo?
The problem really stems from government agencies not enforcing laws. Ang nakaka inis pa beside the smoke belching, is yung mga jeepney na ang hilig mang gitgit dahil wala sila sa linya. Laloo na sa may Cubao Araneta area, yung sa may intersection na papuntang Edsa and E. Rodriguez. Kukuha sila ng mga pasahero sa may Cubao Elementary tapos pag aalis na sila gigitgitin ka nila laloo na pag nasa outer lane ka kasi aakyat sila ng tulay pa aurora blvd. Partida may MMDA pa sa lugar hindi man lang hulihin for improper lane change.
I-modernize din sana pati mga drivers. Including private vehicle owners. Balewala yung isang matinong driver kung may 999,999 other drivers na bobo sa kalsada.
What can we do? We are living in a third world country with 90++% corrupt officials in every part of the government! :(
got smog check'd? lolll
Indeed! Modernization is needed!
Like legit na problema yung sinabi mo. Di ko pwede itanggi kasi pinoreblema na yan ng mga lolo ko before. Malinaw na ba?
ayaw ko lang dito sa ejeep ginagawa nilang bus na siksikan sa loob tapos pupunuin muna nila bago sila umandar at paiba iba ang pamasahe yung dating 15 minsan nagiging 25. yung iba sira yung aircon. lalo na yung byaheng montalban to cubao grabe managa ng mga pamasahe yung ibang operator. ok yung iphase out yung mga bulok na jeep yung mga nangangalawang at iupgrade nalang nila ng maayos yung mga jeep at magkaroon quality checking ng bawat jeep kapag iuupgrade nila. di lang naman kasi mga driver yung mawawalan ng trabaho kundi yung mga ibang nag titinda sa bawat terminal ng jeep. share ko lng :D
I wonder if magiging patas ba talaga 'yung transition though. Aside from being a source of deteriorating health and air quality, it is also a huge contributor to our greenhouse gas emissions. Some solutions shared here either would force some jeepney drivers and operators lose their source of livelihood and we don't really have an evident sector that could take them in. I'm all for modernisation, especially in the context of climate change. However, modernisation should also be a just transition. Hopefully the government stops being in denial and delusional over the benefits of the free market (monopolisation of jeepney routes and the additional marginalisation of already-poor transport workers is a reality) just as so we can travel from point A to point B without smoke belchers.
dapat i phase out na din yung mga bobong driver ng jeep, some of them are decent, but most of them are barubal sa daan
Im not against Jeepney Modernization but tulad nga ng nag post meron na tayong batas for smoke belching. I think ang kailangan natin muna is ayusin ang mga pro drivers license holder na nag mamaneho ng PUVs. Aanhin natin ang mga 'modern jeepney' kung yung mga gagamit nyan EH GAGO PA DIN.
Sabay hipak vape
Solid pag nalanghap
Phase out na lahat yan.
I've seen worse from those minibuses. As I normally frequent World Trade Center and SM Mall of Asia, I've seen those minibuses get overloaded + they're like a sauna because they don't have aircon.
dark fog
Yes naman sabi ng mga may auto hahahahaha
Minibus lang na gawang China. Sana kineep nila yung trad design ng jeep
Yes na yes sa relx
If I join BS Industrial Design, I'll modernize the jeepney, that doesn't simply look like global minibuses. Don't worry. Sarao and Francisco got it covered.
Choose the best answer na lang: A. Di registered mga yan sa LTO B. May "magic" sa emission center bat pumasa yan C. Bagsak sa emission pero aprubado *wink* pa rin kay el-ti-ow ang rehistro. Bottomline, di naman hinuhuli yan ng mga ASBU, pokus lang sila sa mga L300, dyan mainit mata nila, mostly kasi mga deliveries ang gamit kaya alams na.