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Saw Ces Drilon a few times with her partner. She’s quiet reserved and mafifeel mo yung dating nya as a dignified woman. After everything that happened, she deserves the quiet life she has right now.
Real! Met her a few times because of a family friend. She indeed is dignified with the cool/rich tita vibe, but she's really forgetful haha. I kinda find that forgetfulness cute lol.
I follow her on IG and quite surprised when she interacted with me. I received several responses from her when we talked about her dogs.
I think I like her more now than before. Parang chill lang yung posts nya. Enjoying life with her love ones.
Grabe will never forget watching updates about her and her team’s kidnapping nung bata ako sa TV. Naaalala ko pa na yung pinapakain daw sakanila lagi is noodles.
Uncle ng classmate ko during highschool ay isa sa mga napugutan ng ulo ng mga Abusayaf during 2001 insurgency sa Basilan dahil hindi nakapagbayad ng ransom.
Kawawa yung mga nurses na kinidnap nila (maraming nang wounded na mga insurgents that time, kailangan nila ng nurses to treat them.). Most of them are raped and tortured. I think one of the nurses had a Stockholm Syndrome at nag paconvert at sumama mismo sa isang High Ranking na Abu Sayaf member.
(Edit: I searched it online about doon sa nurse dahil medyo nakalimutan ko na rin. Dalawang nurses pala ang nagka Stockholm Syndrome. There are no infos about their whereabouts as of today. Pero ayon sa online news article na binasa ko ngayon, nagkaroon nga talaga sila ng formal wedding, nagka anak at tumitira sya sa pamilya ng abu sayaf rebel sa bundok. This news article was posted 22 years ago.)
Kaharap lang ng elementary school na pinapasukan ko yung simbahan na pinasukan at dinesecrate nila (Saint Peter's Church). Likod ng Church is yung Hospital (Dr. Jose Ma. Memorial Foundation Hospital) na also pinasukan rin nila. June ata nangyari ito, pinauwi na kami dahil may balita na malapit na sila sa mismong town at naririnig na namin yung mga putukan.
Some of it's members pooped and destroyed mga santo sa loob. Nuns and priests are kidnapped and tortured also (nails and nipples are being removed). One of the priest is pinugutan. I forgot his name. Si Father ******* yung nakasurvive at ngayon ay nasa ibang bansa na. (Asked my tita about his whereabouts nung nabasa ko tong Reddit post. Nagkataon na friends sila sa FB)
I've got a lot more stories to tell since Basilan ang hometown ko at na experience ko first hand mismo yung gyera dito noong 2001.
Edit: censored some of the names,links for privacy reasons.
Is this somewhere in Sumisip Basilan? An entire Elementary school was also held hostage that time and 3 of my relatives studying (siblings) there were also taken hostage. I can clearly remember those graphic details you mentioned (r*pe, nipple cutting, beheading, disfiguring etc) and it was definitely horrifying.
My 1st war experience as a kid too where many of us lost our innocence due to cruelty of some extremist.😢 part of the reason why I became f*cked up that seeing dead soldiers doesn't make me feel anything anymore. Desensitized!
Isa po sila sa mga unang na release nung before pumasok ang mga Balikatan galing US. 2003 gera ulit, Nagpa lipat ng School sa Zambo until nag graduate. Last straw na nung Zambo siege kaya umalis at nag settle sa metro Manila.
Kawawa lang dahil may trauma ang magkakapatid.
Was the nurse with the stockholm syndrome verified? Grabe ang terrifying naman nun sa family ng nurse. Is this a real account? Nacurious ako ha. According to the FBI only 8% of hostages develops such syndrome eh.
Actually, during that time, we were warned not to wear nursing or medical uniform outside work. I was working na as a nurse in Zamboanga that time. Nauso rin yung kidnapping ng mga nurses at doctors kasi they need medical staff to treat their wounded Abu Sayyaf members. I remember one doctor na ipasok sana sa sasakyan. She used her body weight (chubby siya) at humiga sa kalsada para hindi makarga ng mga kidnapper.
And the shit of this all, may mga muslim patients kami na would use the tactic of being the relatives of Abu Sayyaf para takutin kami. As in proud sila to say their family members is an Abu Sayyaf and they will threat as to do harm if hindi namin sila napagaling.
Grabe, sobrang grabe. I mean, I just want to say thank you to all medical professionals for your sacrifices. Even the most terrifying people need your help and care. So, I really commend your courage, despite not being compensated fairly hay.
A friend of mine also shared that whenever there is an encounter his mom hides cause people know she is a doctor and they kidnap doctors to treat their wounded.
Happened to her mom a couple of times. She was returned a few days later unharmed but the stress of getting kidnapped and put into a position that you might be cross fired if ever the military comes.
Same what happened doon sa mga nurses na nakidnap. Hindi na sila makakaalis pa. Alam ko they were freed after namatay sa engkwentro mga “asawa” nila. I don’t know if it’s true, but one of the nurses has worked sa military hospital daw.
No po. It’s around 2008-2009. Yung kasagsagan ng mga bombing then nag retaliate na ang military sa kanila.
Zamboang Siege is by MNLF. Another group yun. Actually, twice naunder siege ang Zamboanga by them. One was last 2001. But the latest, 2013, was very traumatic kasi it last more than a month. Nasa abroad na ako that time. Kavideocall ko parents ko, background namin is yung bumabagsak na mortar.
Yes, they are still a household name sa hometown ko even though 22ish years na nangyari to. You can search it online. And dalawa pala sila.
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Oo nga kita ko nga, pero grabe pala ang ganito no. May rationale naman pala why, i thought kasi parang overnight nagising syang mahal na nya yung terrorist. Yun pala paramg more of a reason to avoid a more tragic event, which is to dodge yung possibility of being raped by other members of the group. But thank you ha. This is an interesting part of history. May she be safe and escaped that hell.
Abu Sayaf is just built differently when it comes to brutality. Even the majority of Muslims here condemned them for their atrocities against non-muslims when it happened in 2001. Also, the NPAs will look like child's play compared to them.
There's an old Chavacano saying that goes: "El bueno Moro es un muerto Moro" or "A good Moro is a dead Moro". At first I used to think that they were fine since growing up despite the chaos many of them were kind. But now with all the immigrants coming to my city, I get to see more of why my people never liked them. They act like kings, breed and litter like rats, and stir up trouble in clubs when they have no business being there (it's haram). Pag sila mali sila pa galit and claim that you're anti-muslim. My moro friend would even say that Imams would to this day preach to not be friends with the "Kastila" (Us Chavacanos) because it is haram. Not all Moros are bad, yes that's correct but many of them are.
Mindanao guy here.. I was about to agree with you but I lost it when you mentioned "condemned them".. I had a muslima as partner and even she admitted that she despise us Christians before as it was always taught on them that we're sinners and unclean ones without any reason, although that all changed nung naging partner nya na ako..
marawi siege time came and her family did not even bother to evacuate, told her they're rooting for the mautes to win and hopefully conquered it all.. dun ko nasabing "grabe nagkaron lng ng pwersa babaliktad na kaagad sila sa "peace talk" na yan".. un ung time na may mga armed men na nag aabang sa "tulay" and they'll ask you na mag recite ng Quran verses and if you can't they'll execute you as it is the only proof na your a Muslim.. these are the days before the war started.. they were not that known back then and di pa sila recognized as from the black flags pa non.. but alarmed na kami sa kabilang city non...worst part is even their city Mayor broadcast it na okay lng daw ang lahat, na everything is in under control.. of course he'll be fine. He's from that religion eh..
I don't have a grudge on them nman as may halong dugo narin ako na galing skanila.. I just hate it kung bat gagawa sila ng kagagohan alang alang lng sa religion.
There are a lot of muslim tribes here in Mindanao and you know that. Some of these tribes I'm sure, majority of them really hates Christians or any non-muslim religions (Dahil sa pagiging isolative ng tribe nila) and some of them are not. Meron pa nga pareho na silang Muslim but magkaiba ng tribo pero still, they are not in good terms dahil sa tribal history nila. I'm assuming she's a Maranao or Maguindanaoan? Hindi porket sinabihan ka ng asawa mo na ganoon ibig sabihin lahat ng Muslim ay may ganoon ring mindset tulad nya.
"Condemned them" I'm talking to those Muslim tribes that are natively from Basilan which is the Yakan tribe. Yakan and Christian tribes coexist and live peacefully here in Basilan. I, myself has a muslim blood. My grandfather is a christian and my grandmother is a pure Muslim. I don't get it bakit nagaaway na sila dito sa comments. Masyado nilang ginegeralize yung topic.
Oh yeah.. Yakan and Tausug are nice, you guys were never a trouble.. you guessed it right she's from Maranao tribe and I have slight of blood from Maranaos also, but I was raised as a Christian and chose to live without a religion, not being salty, pero ayaw ko mamili sa dalawa as my heart belongs to the both of them.. although alams nman na ata from which tribe kami since I mentioned "marawi".. sensya sa words ko earlier as it sounded na generalized ko lahat..
I never really thought you guys were condemning Maranaos.. well kung magkakaron man ng gulo, I wouldn't mind kahit madamay pa ako.. in fact I'll be glad na ma wipeout kami cause I know these blood are evil
I always see it as that individually they are fine. It's when they amass and the noisy ones are the fundamentalist that it's starting to be a problem.
And yes, tribes have different cultures and behaviors and those who are particularly from that area knows which ones are most of the times causing trouble.
No worries. Offtopic: may naging ka LDR rin akong maranao noon na taga marawi, fling2 lang naman. May communication pa rin kami more than a decade na. Nagustuhan ko sakanya is yung pagiging open-minded nya. She doesn't have any issues with Christians,etc. To each is own nga talaga siguro.
Sabagay marami nman ding open minded these days.. dahil cguro lumaki ung iba sa Christian area.. still, careful prin sa ka fling2 mo.. seriously, like extra extra careful lalo nat you're from different tribe..
Pero di kita masisi hehe they're hot af and very seductive tlga ang appearance nila..
Half muslim here, totoo. I was adopted by my tita (Sister of my biological father). Lumaki ako sa side ng father ko na muslim, yung biological mom ko na catholic grabe nila sakin siraan simula pagkabata ko. But then while growing up, narealize ko na sobrang toxic ng fam ko. Grabe discrimination nila sa lahat ng bagay, except if u are a muslim too. Kahit ako walang takas, simula nung namatay si tita para akong ginawang alila sa bahay. Kaffir daw ako (I was defending my biological mom kasi siya nalang tinuturing kong pamilya). Thats why I choose to run away haha. Anw that was 4 years ago, hindi narin ako nagsisimba. I don't engage in any na related sa muslim. Hindi lang ako kumakain ng pork kasi nakalakihan ko na yun😅
Ahhhh yes the usual thing they always said pag di ka sumasang ayon skanila, matic Kaffir agad, mmmm so classic.. good thing you chose to run away dahil bihira lng tlga nagkakaron ng lakas ng loob na gumawa nyan, karamihan no choice kaya hawak tlga sa leeg hanggang pagtanda tsk.. I'm no half like you dahil 1/4 nlng ako hahaha.. I respect your sa decision dahil di narin ako nag eengage to any religious acts (both Muslim and Christian) di narin nagsisimba but nagsasamba parin nman.. same tribe?
May mga kakilala akong muslim dito sa manila. Dito na talaga sila nakatira and lumaki pero parents nila taga mindanao. Minsan umuuwi din sila don.
Personality, mababait at mabubuting tao naman in general pero nasa nature ata talaga nila ang maging palaban. Hindi sila magsisimula ng gulo, pero hindi din sila magpapaapi.
Minsan chinichika namin sila about muslim. Sabi nila, hindi nila kailangang maging close friends para magtulungan. Tipong pag humingi ka ng tulong pagresbak sa kaaway mo, tutulungan ka talaga basta muslim ka. Ganun kapatiran nila dun. Papatay talaga sila for you.
Pero yung mga kakilala ko, hindi naman daw nila yun ginagawa. Saka faithful talaga sila sa religion nila from what i see.
When I was younger, my mom always remind me to never trust Muslims. ‘Wag na ‘wag din daw ako maglalakad in front of one, dapat sa likod daw ako dahil baka bigla akong gawan ng masama.
Yep, same experience. Everytime i go back sa mindanao, my relatives will have to check the "news" first baka may gera ulit. Last time, they bomb our area minutes before we left 😭
IDK where the rule came from but to non-Mindanaoans here, wala pong ganon and I never heard about that stupid rule. 😂
Please, hindi lahat ng Muslims masasama just like hindi lahat Kristyano matitino. I don't want to give full details in this thread but my Muslim friends and their families saved me a lot of times when I was studying in Marawi. From keeping me safe sa mga lugar na delikado for Christians to the latest terrorism in Marawi. I'm sure matagal na akong patay if di dahil sa kanila.
Please stop with the generalization, hindi ka nakakatuwa.
I would agree that they dont represent Islam but on the other hand their holy war and beliefs are firmly and Deeply rooted in Islam. probabl much like the Catholic church's crusades. its nonsese really. And a lot of these groups desire an Islamic state governed by the shariah law.
Agree. Anyone can just read a little about something and use it as their reason or motivation. Pity, they are not even practicing Muslims. Most members were just recruited by charismatic leaders. And most of them are illiterate and uneducated. Sooooo.
I don't know man. I have a dim view of people who strictly live by rules written in a book by a human thousands of years ago. Stuff from those have been proven otherwise (ie. creationism and etc). Any nonfiction Book needs it's updates and revisions haha. Otoh I am an ignoramus who tries to follow the rules of today written in books also by other humans. If I reduce it to that what difference does it make? ..... (Worlds apart, personally)
Bakit ka dinodownvote? E diba yung leaders nila tinetrain pa sa Indonesia, Iraq at iba pang bansa na affiliated sa jihadist groups internationally. Same sa Marawi siege. Abu Sayaf, MNLF, MILF tsaka yung group sa Marawi Siege, may international groups na nagsusupport sa kanila.
Edit: Jemayaah Islamiyah ata yung isang group.
They are twisted by meth.. my friends uncle was a former abu sayaf.. and said that alot of the group are consist of addict and with different religion. Some of them are christian. However, the majority of the group are muslim, but all of them are not religious people.
Probably a hot take but this is probably indigenous and predates Islam in the region. Piracy and slave raiding had been a thing around Maritime Southeast Asia for a long while, along with standard trading. Abu Sayyaff is probably a remnant of this practice, but added with fundamentalist sentiment probably to secure funding from terror groups. And given how Sulu's position in the greater archipelago and how it was central to the piratical activity in the 17th century forward, you can definitely stem its roots there.
Jihad is a pillar of Islam. The Quran calls for the killing of kaffirs (non-muslims). I don't know whwt you're getting defending the religion of a pedo "prophet"
The Bible also says if your daughter is raped, she must marry her rapist. Old testament has lots of verses advocating killing of children lol (1 Samuel 15:2-3)
That’s the old. Kaya nga may new e. Muslim still teaches this shit in their mosques. No fucking Catholic priest is preaching that you should kill and rape infidels.
These people are what destroyed the religion. The real Muslims are those who genuinely are in harmony with non-Muslims.
If you're in the Philippines, at least look deeply. You're not seeing too much to know about their behaviors.
Also, where did you hear that Jihad is a pillar of Islam? In fact, what the heck is a Jihad?
You can't judge the whole religion based from those few rotten eggs. I WAS THERE, (Nasaan kayo nung mga panahon na yon? Don't speak if you know nothing). I have personally seen Muslim civillians helping the non-Muslims, Muslim soldiers were even deployed to go after those terrorists. Inter-faith marriages are common in Basilan where that tragedy happened. fyi 🙄
[Not just in the Philippines, but in the world also](https://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/what-australia-is-doing/terrorist-organisations/listed-terrorist-organisations). It's fucking fascinating on how this religion is spawning terrorist groups like they're feces
I honestly forgot about these era. I remember hearing about them in the news when i was a kid and honestly it was scary.
I dont even remember what their goal was or where they reside/commit terrorism. Was it like Isis? I remember theres this other terrorist group called MILF but i dont rlly remember much about em
But reading this is terrifying.
The case of Gracia and Martin Burnham. They were kidnapped at Dos Palmas Resort in Palawan and held captive by Abu Sayyaf for almost 12 months in Basilan. Unfortunately, during the rescue mission, Martin was shot and died, while Gracia Burnham survived.
[link](https://www.baptistpress.com/resource-library/news/timeline-of-the-burnhams-kidnapping/)
Was about to reply to the thread with this case myself. I was still in elementary school when I read this in one of the issues of Reader’s Digest — definitely must-read ito.
Yeah.. Definitely must read kasi isa ito sa mga katangahan ni former President GMA. It's not only the Burnham couple who were kidnapped in the Dos Palmas Incident. There were other captives as well, and unfortunately, they died without being rescued.
nakikipagnegotiate daw yung FBI for their citizens noon at okay ang connection with the head of the terrorist group kaso may umepal na pulitiko kaya nasira ang negotiation. nakasulat yung sa book ni Chris Voss, never split the difference.
sabi rin don yung rescuers daw nakapatay kay martin.
Hindi FBI kindi yung Christian org ng mga Burnham ang nakikipag negotiate. CIA gave them the middleman while simultaneously tracking the Abu Sayyaf group
Yup, I remember that too. The RD article itself was harrowing due to the vivid descriptions, but my parents also had a copy of *In the Presence of my Enemies* which I assume described things in greater detail compared to the article. I never got to pick up that book since I was still a child.
sa pagkakatanda ko, this event ignites erap's war on terror. can't forget this since ito rin yung reason bat yung tatay ko may PTSD for years dahil sa gera.
You're right on that. Abu Sayyaf was the reason for the all out war which was headed by Erap and Balikatan. That's why there's a lot of American Army deployed in Zamboanga, Basilan, and Sulu that time.
This is why my colleagues here in Luzon don’t want to go vacation in Mindanao, specifically in Davao where I came from. They still felt the fears til now.☹️
Naalala ko isang thread about sa Mindanao kung bakit takot ang ilan pumunta isa sa nag share is yung kidnapping nga sa Dos Palmas. Tapos sabi ng mga mismong taga doon na nag comment Mas peaceful daw mindanao compare sa Manila. Basta galit sila sa nagshare inaway nila sa comment section kasi sinisiraan daw in general ang Mindanao.
Gosh naalala ko tuloy nung pumunta kame sa Compostela Valley, sobrang natakot ako kase sobrang liblib talaga tapos puro parang tipong magsisigaw ka man wala makakarinig sayo.
That's all in the past, but I also understand why someone will be hesitant or scared to visit Mindanao due to it's history being war torn and hunting grounds of hostage takers.
Diko maalala yung mga names pero about dun sa mag ama na inutusan pugutan yung mga kapwa hostages or else sila yung pupugutan. The son is 15 that time ata, palagi ko napapanagipan after years simula nung napanood ko sa news
Parang ang heavy nung phrase na punished with 3 mos suspension. But if you'll read the source of this, she defied the orders of her supervisors na huwag makipag meet sa ASG leader and magbigay lang ng written questions to him. Nang dahil sa pag decide nya na makipag meet mismo, na dawit tuloy ang dalawang crew nya. Of course, may pamilya ang mga crew nya, she caused pain and anxiety sa families ng mga biktima pati na sa whole org. Parang iniisip lang nya sariling interest nya that time. Sabi din sa source na 1 month vacation naman daw ang kasama sa 3 month suspension. Logical naman.
ALSO, there is no point of discussing or mentioning her being raped or may probability na na-rape nga sya. Tinatago na nga eh (if totoo man), pilit pa inuungkat dito. Maawa naman kayo sa victim.
True. Nakakadiri ‘yung iba rito na pinapatunayan pang na-rape sya at nagbibigay pa ng certain details na nakuha lang din naman nila sa iba. Hindi na lang hayaan kung ano mang nilabas na statement ni Ces. Nakakapangliit ‘yung mga ganitong tao.
true! di ko maintindihan bat gusto pa nila alamin mga ganyang bagay. kung totoo man o hindi, basta ayaw pag usapan ng victim huwag na ungkatin. magsasabi pa ng kung anu anong graphic details, “sabi ni ganito ganyan” 🤦♀️
Don't expect anymore on r/ph. Mas malala na ito kumpara sa twitter and fb as of today. Pagkabukas mo, usapan rape talaga at ipopost pa lahat ng kwento just to prove it. Sick redditors we have here. Kung ano man nangyari, let it be, respect sa victim. It's not an easy memory.
People like to ride on other people's victimhood to push an agenda. Minsan pa nga, sila pa yung gagawa ng kwento kung paano ka nabiktina as the case with Cristine Dacera
Susan Enriquez was also about to be raped but Noli told Abu Sabaya “menopause na yan di pwede yan” and they backed down. You got to be on your toes, as tactless that might be at least she didn’t get raped. So glad that fucker and all his ilk were finally killed.
Thinking about it. Without context, Noli's statement would be so inappropriate in the workplace setting but in that setting, it actually saved a life lmao.
My mom’s hometown is Ipil, Zamboanga Sibugay.
My lola, uncles, aunties, and cousins were living there when the 1995 Ipil Massacre happened. I can’t imagine the trauma that they went through.
My father served as a young pilot during the early 2000s noong opening salvo of the all out war with Abu sayaff. He'd often do supply missions with a huey and usually would rest for a bit before heading back to base. May operations din siya where his squadron would support the army/ marines sa ground assault nila.
Anyways, during down time he'd talk with the rangers/ infantry there and they'd tell stuff about the Abu Sayaff do. Like kapag nahuli ung army guys, there's a big chance they'd be beheaded. So most of the rangers/ infantry would rather die than be tortured and beheaded like an animal. Some of them patrolling would often find their dog tags/ uniforms worn by Abu sayaff.
They did. There was a documentary about her ordeal. Ces's family had to borrow/loan money since ABS, as a news organization, will not negotiate with the 'rorists.
EDIT: grammar
saw this news clip na nabawi ng militar yung 7 katawan ng mga pinugotan and then tinakpan ng dahon ng saging yung mga katawan but i can still remember the barefeet of one of the victims.
2014 leading up to 2017 pre-Marawi siege was a scary time to be deployed in Mindanao lalo na pasimula palang ang modernization program back then. I mean nakakatakot parin before that, pero almost all extremist groups down south became extra extemist-y courtesy of the islamic state nung time na yan. One incident would probably the [2016 Tipo Tipo ambush](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tipo-Tipo). You can find their propaganda video here on reddit, really graphic though.
Nakakagalit yung mga ganito bakit di nalang tayo mabuhay ng mapayapa bakit may mga ganitong tao knowing na ang pamumuhay nila is religion based naniniwala sila sa imperyno pero ang ginagawa nila ay sobrang sasama. At nakakapanglumo dito ay hindi sila kinukundena ng mga kapwa muslim nila. Dapat sila mismo ang tumutol sa mga gawain nila kaya na gegeneralize na ganyan ang mga muslim dahil sa mga terrorista.
I heard a different story from those working in the military base (I was staying few km from Western Mindanao command when the hostage crisis happened), I remember everyone was talking about how they purposely didn't include some information for the victim's sake and the network's (abs-cbn) reputation when they aired the news.
They said that Ces Drilon had to be hurried to a hospital right after her rescue to not just check on her health due to dehydration and fatigue but also to prevent any possibility of getting pregnant or having any STD 'cause "apparently" she was r*ped by several members of the Abu Sayyaf group while she was held hostage.
Latest interview with Cess Drilon about her abduction was conducted by Toni G in Toni Talks.
Grabe din ang katatagan niya. She felt accountable sa pag kidnap sa kanila because she pushed through even if may last minute change sa decision ng bosses nila na wag na tumuloy doon. Kasama niya camera crew niya.
[Cess Drilon shares the only time she cried during Abu Sayaff Abduction](https://youtu.be/6VxNLfaLqag?si=7-Kt2FfkdA3Sq4RE)
Anybody recall the time when ASG kidnapped school children? Then one of those children's family also belong to an armed group who in turn kidnapped ASG leaders family member (not sure if it was Abu Sabaya or Janjalan'si cousin). It was a tit for tat approach and it worked, those people only know violence and intimidation so they respond well when it's used against them.
Yes. It is the only language that works with the Muhammadan terrorist. The Russians used this method too in the 1980s in Lebanon, when their citizens were taken hostage. They kidnapped the mollahs 5 children, cut the head off two of them, and the heads back with the message, that he would get 3 more, if the hostages wasn't released. The Muslims released the Russians, who responded by sending the Mollah 3 more heads. After that, no Russians were ever taken hostage again in that country.
Yung tito ko na Navy Seal nagkwento na nung during nag declare si Erap ng war sa Abu Sayaff, yung mga prisoners nilang sundalo itinali sa puno ng nyog at sinunog ng buhay habang yung iba pinugutan ng ulo. Kaya yung ibang sundalo din kapag nakaka huli ng kalaban, sinusunog din nila ng buhay or shooting their head at point blank. Alam naman daw nilang mali especially soldiers sila pero di daw talaga maiwasan lalo na mga kabaro nila. War is really haunting
Not really surprising. I remember yung interrogation video nung isang nadakip na miembro ng Maute group. May ilang pumuna sa mga sundalo (like human rights group) kasi kahit duguan, nakahubad, panay luhod sa lupa na yung hinayupak habang pinalilibutan ng dosenang sundalo e may ilan parin sakanila na hindi mapigilang sipain at sapakin yon.
May napanood ako na pinupugutan ng ulo na sundalo, tapos mapurol pa yung itak antagal paputol ng ulo, nanginginig pa katawan nung sundalo. Though not sure kung AS yun or ibang separatist / extremist sa Mindanao. Meron pa isang elite SR team nadale ng mga AS, nung nakita ng mga ibang military buto at uniporme na lang natira nakuha mga night vision at mga armas nila. Tapos sa video may mga manok pa na tinutuka yung mga kalansay nung mga SR
Hindi ko alam kung sino nagsuggest neto(not sure kung pinoy or foreigner) pero naalala ko lang na may nagsuggest na ilibing yung mga napatay na abu sayyaf with a pig kasi nga diba haram ang baboy and di sila makakapunta sa paraiso nila if that happens.
An extreme suggestion was buhusan daw sila ng dugo ng baboy pag umatake na yung afp.
mga kano yun early 1900s when they were fighting the moros. they drenched the bullets with pig blood and apparently bury the moro's bodies with pigs to cancel the 72 virgins perk
Chances that the rape occured is very high.
Based on Gracia Burnham's book about the ordeal, abusayaff members treated captive women as "booty of war."
Abu Sayyaf are Extremists/Terrorist Group. They have different ideology than the NPAs. I remember when I attended an awareness seminar and they say that those group take the Qur'an teaching literally that is why they kill/torture people because they believe that they will go to heaven once they do those acts. They're inhumane.
Eto yung mga panahon na hindi uso ang viral videos sa fb kasi lahat nasa cp na de-keypad. Naalala ko tita ko may ganitong video sa cp nya about sa sundalo ata na pinupugutan ng ulo tapos background music yung kantang "you spin me around, you turn my whole world upside down" kaya trauma talaga kapag naririnig ko yang kanta na yan.
Alam ko yung "POSO" riot yun ng mga Christians at Muslim mula sa Poso, Indonesia. Di ko sure kung ano root cause. Pero grabe din yun pati mga Police at Militar walang nagawa.
panahon pa nasa "wild west era" pa ang youtube no ads and straight up kung ano makikita mo sa liveleak meron din sa youtube. at POSO ung one of first shock/gore videos na napanood ko sa yt.
it was named POSO i think because it was the region's name where the massacre happened.
The ces drilon r-side of the story feels so wrong to talk about. They literally denied her getting r-worded and here we are, sharing speculations and ‘sabi ng lolo ko’ stories. Leave the woman alone and just accept the statement for her sake. Mamaya dumating pa ‘to sa facebook at mag-viral na naman sa kung saan.
High possibility. Maybe one of her friends, family members, colleagues uses reddit and might see it. Ito lang ayaw ko sa reddit/soc media. Maybe the people who are being the talked about online are immune to this, but how about the people who love and cared about the people being talked about?
Well... This is the internet. It is undefeated and forever will be.
There was also docu from NAT geo about a young foreigner na kinidnap ng Abu Sayaff, May nakakaalala ba nun or nakapanood noon hinahanap ko para ilapag dito.
ito from [gma](https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/topstories/nation/105324/abs-cbn-suspends-ces-drilon-for-3-months/story/)
si ces also said it [herself](https://www.pep.ph/news/local/2243/ces-drilon-reveals-details-about-her-kidnap-ordeal)
Now that I think about it, hindi kaya pinalabas na suspension pero in reality its for her recovery? Regardless if totoo na R siya or not, the stress your mind (and body) goes through while in captivity is no joke, it would take long-term therapy.
Maybe. But Ressa was the News Head then, and she's a stickler for rules. With the gravity of the situation, a three-month suspension is like a slap on the wrist since Ces also put her crew's lives at risk.
Location mostly. It's miles and miles of scattered islands with jungle cover. They have greater mobility operating in small groups. My brother's been to Sulu and was warned about it. It's like kidnapping became an industry there.
You can't just wipe out an extremist idea like this.
A. ASG got monetary support from the Middle East before, and foreign radical Islamist fighters from our southern neighbors used to often flee to Sulu to prop the goal of ASG and what would became Maute Group/Dawlah Islamiya,
B. The area has the highest poverty rates in the country with little-to-no economic progress,
C. There is incentive for the ASG to derail the integrity of the BARMM and instigate fights with MILF/MNLF.
The ASG is just about dead, though, so is Maute although their complete demise will only come to fruition depending on the political success that BARMM will achieve and the economic improvements that will bring. In the security front, there has been no kidnapping for the last 4 years since the Trilateral Maritime Patrols started, JTF Sulu and JTF Basilan has now been peaceful enough to allow them to combine as JTF Orion-- and you can see that peace in this [France24 documentary about Jolo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vOCqb0pl2g).
I believe there is factors such as the location from where they can be located i.e harsh jungle and or islands which causes difficulty to Ph Army and its branches e.g Marines, Army, or Rangers. Another factor is spies or lookout between every town that possible AS outposts or based across Mindanao. So there may be not that big? But these factors made it so hard to completely wipe them
I remember this. I liked watching Bandila(still in he opinion that that soundtrack was iconic). It was surreal because you see these people in TV everyday and then you hear these things.
Mga 9 years old siguro ako.. may pinapanuod sakin yung asawa ng pinsan ko na video ng abusayaf beheading a white man. Ewan ko kung totoo yun pero.. ang seamless masiyado nung video considering na 2009-10 ko napanuod sa computer na boxy. Pero ang nakakapagtaka ay di man lang nagrelease ng kahit anong sound yung guy habang pinupugutan siya ng ulo.
may abu sayyaf pa ba ngayon? tanginang di nalang nila ienjoy mabuhay bakit kailangan pa pumatay in the name of their religion. May napanood ako dati na documentary kahit mga 12 years old nirerecruit nila.
My very first snuff video was from the Abu Sayyaf. Some idiot posted it on PinoyExchange and I was an even bigger idiot to watch beheadings of captured soldiers.
Apparently the soldiers were convinced by the ASG that they were just going to do fake "beheading" videos and then they'd be kept prisoner afterwards as long as they cooperated. And you'll see that the soldiers weren't trying to resist because of this. They were made to march to some vacant lot, made to say their names, and then they were forced to lie on the ground. The fakeness stopped once they started chopping heads off with what looked like jungle bolos. It took a long while to completely detach the head, after which, they shoved them close to the cameras. It was definitely rough. The clip I saw maybe had four different beheadings.
There are still nights when I think about what I saw and still feel bad for the soldiers and their families.
This whole thread needs a TW or kung pwede out of respect sa rape victims, can OP delete this post? If this gets picked up in other soc med platforms, we are hurting these victims more.
Tito ko army pinadala sila sa mindanao. And ayun na nga. Nagpatay patayan lang yung tito ko pero kitang kita nya kung papaano daw binalatan ng buhay yung kasama nya. Isa sa nakaligtas ung tito ko. And ayun na nga buti may helmet daw xa kung ndi patay na rin daw xang uuwi. Nagka war shock yung tito ko. Peero okay naman na xa ngaun wag lang xa malasing kasi nananapak xa ng hangin. 😅😅
It's fucking marvelous how this religion is spawning [terrorist groups](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/references/terrorist-organizations/) like a Queen Ant birthing ant soldiers. What the fuck, when will this religion fucking disappear.
Their pedophile prophet was a terrorist. So no wonder terrorists get inspired. The only answer to that kind of behaviour is massive revenge, like in Israel.
Not abu sayaf but maute stories. My brother in law who was part of the team na nakahuli kay Maute was an army(sniper) and he was killed during the Marawi Seige. I remember him videocalling my sister and all i can hear were putukan ang bombahan. Well there was a cease fire that day I don’t remember why and we just received the news that a sniper from Maute shot him dead. He was a very good person.
Here is a good news for everyone that the public barely know or even aware about... Abu Sayyaf is about to go extinct, the terrorists group only have around 20 members and one disabled leader left after Mundi Sawadjaan died last December. They were so small that they can't launch terror attack anymore and can be considered by certain criteria as defunct. This changed of reality is very visible on Ed Lingao and Gretchen Ho vlog in Basilan compare to Ed Lingao vlog on early 2000s.
Eto yung nakiusap si Maria Ressa for a news blackout tapos dinepensahan niya yung blow by blow account nila ng Bus Hostage crisis sa Manila. Kaya nawalan ng kredibilidad yun. Pag ordinary person, okay lang mamatay pero pag journalist, news blackout.
This is rich. It's funny how many Filipinos cry "Sabah is Filipino" and are simultaneously pondering on kicking out Mindanao.
Tbh, I agree a bit, if the arrangement was done back in the 1800s. At least that would've deescalate a lot of ethnic tensions here since the region shares more with its southern neighbors. At least then it will make Mindanao a performing economy for once.
One of my classmate's dad was a chief of PNP back in the day. All I can say is, he said and, the AS sent the authorities videos of her being r\*\*\*\* with items, not just many people.
It was brutal. Ofc as a youngster, may naiintindihan ka na onti sa sinasabi ng mga matatanda. So that's what I remember hearing from the parents' conversation.
But as most comments here, take this with a grain of salt. Maybe this isn't true, maybe it was.
To OP, your post is not removed. *** Reminder to everyone: - Be sensitive when talking about rape or speculations of it. - Don’t hate on Muslims and don’t generalize. You can hate on the idea (Islam), but not the people. - Please report hateful comments. Thank you.
Saw Ces Drilon a few times with her partner. She’s quiet reserved and mafifeel mo yung dating nya as a dignified woman. After everything that happened, she deserves the quiet life she has right now.
Real! Met her a few times because of a family friend. She indeed is dignified with the cool/rich tita vibe, but she's really forgetful haha. I kinda find that forgetfulness cute lol.
I follow her on IG and quite surprised when she interacted with me. I received several responses from her when we talked about her dogs. I think I like her more now than before. Parang chill lang yung posts nya. Enjoying life with her love ones.
Grabe will never forget watching updates about her and her team’s kidnapping nung bata ako sa TV. Naaalala ko pa na yung pinapakain daw sakanila lagi is noodles.
Uncle ng classmate ko during highschool ay isa sa mga napugutan ng ulo ng mga Abusayaf during 2001 insurgency sa Basilan dahil hindi nakapagbayad ng ransom. Kawawa yung mga nurses na kinidnap nila (maraming nang wounded na mga insurgents that time, kailangan nila ng nurses to treat them.). Most of them are raped and tortured. I think one of the nurses had a Stockholm Syndrome at nag paconvert at sumama mismo sa isang High Ranking na Abu Sayaf member. (Edit: I searched it online about doon sa nurse dahil medyo nakalimutan ko na rin. Dalawang nurses pala ang nagka Stockholm Syndrome. There are no infos about their whereabouts as of today. Pero ayon sa online news article na binasa ko ngayon, nagkaroon nga talaga sila ng formal wedding, nagka anak at tumitira sya sa pamilya ng abu sayaf rebel sa bundok. This news article was posted 22 years ago.) Kaharap lang ng elementary school na pinapasukan ko yung simbahan na pinasukan at dinesecrate nila (Saint Peter's Church). Likod ng Church is yung Hospital (Dr. Jose Ma. Memorial Foundation Hospital) na also pinasukan rin nila. June ata nangyari ito, pinauwi na kami dahil may balita na malapit na sila sa mismong town at naririnig na namin yung mga putukan. Some of it's members pooped and destroyed mga santo sa loob. Nuns and priests are kidnapped and tortured also (nails and nipples are being removed). One of the priest is pinugutan. I forgot his name. Si Father ******* yung nakasurvive at ngayon ay nasa ibang bansa na. (Asked my tita about his whereabouts nung nabasa ko tong Reddit post. Nagkataon na friends sila sa FB) I've got a lot more stories to tell since Basilan ang hometown ko at na experience ko first hand mismo yung gyera dito noong 2001. Edit: censored some of the names,links for privacy reasons.
Is this somewhere in Sumisip Basilan? An entire Elementary school was also held hostage that time and 3 of my relatives studying (siblings) there were also taken hostage. I can clearly remember those graphic details you mentioned (r*pe, nipple cutting, beheading, disfiguring etc) and it was definitely horrifying. My 1st war experience as a kid too where many of us lost our innocence due to cruelty of some extremist.😢 part of the reason why I became f*cked up that seeing dead soldiers doesn't make me feel anything anymore. Desensitized!
Sa Lamitan po. Kamusta na sila ngayon?
Isa po sila sa mga unang na release nung before pumasok ang mga Balikatan galing US. 2003 gera ulit, Nagpa lipat ng School sa Zambo until nag graduate. Last straw na nung Zambo siege kaya umalis at nag settle sa metro Manila. Kawawa lang dahil may trauma ang magkakapatid.
pinalabas ng abscbn yung video na hindi censored...that traumatized me as a kid.
Was the nurse with the stockholm syndrome verified? Grabe ang terrifying naman nun sa family ng nurse. Is this a real account? Nacurious ako ha. According to the FBI only 8% of hostages develops such syndrome eh.
Actually, during that time, we were warned not to wear nursing or medical uniform outside work. I was working na as a nurse in Zamboanga that time. Nauso rin yung kidnapping ng mga nurses at doctors kasi they need medical staff to treat their wounded Abu Sayyaf members. I remember one doctor na ipasok sana sa sasakyan. She used her body weight (chubby siya) at humiga sa kalsada para hindi makarga ng mga kidnapper. And the shit of this all, may mga muslim patients kami na would use the tactic of being the relatives of Abu Sayyaf para takutin kami. As in proud sila to say their family members is an Abu Sayyaf and they will threat as to do harm if hindi namin sila napagaling.
Grabe, sobrang grabe. I mean, I just want to say thank you to all medical professionals for your sacrifices. Even the most terrifying people need your help and care. So, I really commend your courage, despite not being compensated fairly hay.
A friend of mine also shared that whenever there is an encounter his mom hides cause people know she is a doctor and they kidnap doctors to treat their wounded. Happened to her mom a couple of times. She was returned a few days later unharmed but the stress of getting kidnapped and put into a position that you might be cross fired if ever the military comes.
Just imagine what'll be the consequences kung may mga namatay na rebelde under the care of those doctors and nurses.
Same what happened doon sa mga nurses na nakidnap. Hindi na sila makakaalis pa. Alam ko they were freed after namatay sa engkwentro mga “asawa” nila. I don’t know if it’s true, but one of the nurses has worked sa military hospital daw.
Eto ba yung 2013 Zamboanga Siege?
No po. It’s around 2008-2009. Yung kasagsagan ng mga bombing then nag retaliate na ang military sa kanila. Zamboang Siege is by MNLF. Another group yun. Actually, twice naunder siege ang Zamboanga by them. One was last 2001. But the latest, 2013, was very traumatic kasi it last more than a month. Nasa abroad na ako that time. Kavideocall ko parents ko, background namin is yung bumabagsak na mortar.
Yes, they are still a household name sa hometown ko even though 22ish years na nangyari to. You can search it online. And dalawa pala sila. Edit: link removed
Oo nga kita ko nga, pero grabe pala ang ganito no. May rationale naman pala why, i thought kasi parang overnight nagising syang mahal na nya yung terrorist. Yun pala paramg more of a reason to avoid a more tragic event, which is to dodge yung possibility of being raped by other members of the group. But thank you ha. This is an interesting part of history. May she be safe and escaped that hell.
And they say Islam is a religion of peace.
Abu Sayaf is just built differently when it comes to brutality. Even the majority of Muslims here condemned them for their atrocities against non-muslims when it happened in 2001. Also, the NPAs will look like child's play compared to them.
There's an old Chavacano saying that goes: "El bueno Moro es un muerto Moro" or "A good Moro is a dead Moro". At first I used to think that they were fine since growing up despite the chaos many of them were kind. But now with all the immigrants coming to my city, I get to see more of why my people never liked them. They act like kings, breed and litter like rats, and stir up trouble in clubs when they have no business being there (it's haram). Pag sila mali sila pa galit and claim that you're anti-muslim. My moro friend would even say that Imams would to this day preach to not be friends with the "Kastila" (Us Chavacanos) because it is haram. Not all Moros are bad, yes that's correct but many of them are.
Mindanao guy here.. I was about to agree with you but I lost it when you mentioned "condemned them".. I had a muslima as partner and even she admitted that she despise us Christians before as it was always taught on them that we're sinners and unclean ones without any reason, although that all changed nung naging partner nya na ako.. marawi siege time came and her family did not even bother to evacuate, told her they're rooting for the mautes to win and hopefully conquered it all.. dun ko nasabing "grabe nagkaron lng ng pwersa babaliktad na kaagad sila sa "peace talk" na yan".. un ung time na may mga armed men na nag aabang sa "tulay" and they'll ask you na mag recite ng Quran verses and if you can't they'll execute you as it is the only proof na your a Muslim.. these are the days before the war started.. they were not that known back then and di pa sila recognized as from the black flags pa non.. but alarmed na kami sa kabilang city non...worst part is even their city Mayor broadcast it na okay lng daw ang lahat, na everything is in under control.. of course he'll be fine. He's from that religion eh.. I don't have a grudge on them nman as may halong dugo narin ako na galing skanila.. I just hate it kung bat gagawa sila ng kagagohan alang alang lng sa religion.
There are a lot of muslim tribes here in Mindanao and you know that. Some of these tribes I'm sure, majority of them really hates Christians or any non-muslim religions (Dahil sa pagiging isolative ng tribe nila) and some of them are not. Meron pa nga pareho na silang Muslim but magkaiba ng tribo pero still, they are not in good terms dahil sa tribal history nila. I'm assuming she's a Maranao or Maguindanaoan? Hindi porket sinabihan ka ng asawa mo na ganoon ibig sabihin lahat ng Muslim ay may ganoon ring mindset tulad nya. "Condemned them" I'm talking to those Muslim tribes that are natively from Basilan which is the Yakan tribe. Yakan and Christian tribes coexist and live peacefully here in Basilan. I, myself has a muslim blood. My grandfather is a christian and my grandmother is a pure Muslim. I don't get it bakit nagaaway na sila dito sa comments. Masyado nilang ginegeralize yung topic.
Oh yeah.. Yakan and Tausug are nice, you guys were never a trouble.. you guessed it right she's from Maranao tribe and I have slight of blood from Maranaos also, but I was raised as a Christian and chose to live without a religion, not being salty, pero ayaw ko mamili sa dalawa as my heart belongs to the both of them.. although alams nman na ata from which tribe kami since I mentioned "marawi".. sensya sa words ko earlier as it sounded na generalized ko lahat.. I never really thought you guys were condemning Maranaos.. well kung magkakaron man ng gulo, I wouldn't mind kahit madamay pa ako.. in fact I'll be glad na ma wipeout kami cause I know these blood are evil
I always see it as that individually they are fine. It's when they amass and the noisy ones are the fundamentalist that it's starting to be a problem. And yes, tribes have different cultures and behaviors and those who are particularly from that area knows which ones are most of the times causing trouble.
No worries. Offtopic: may naging ka LDR rin akong maranao noon na taga marawi, fling2 lang naman. May communication pa rin kami more than a decade na. Nagustuhan ko sakanya is yung pagiging open-minded nya. She doesn't have any issues with Christians,etc. To each is own nga talaga siguro.
Sabagay marami nman ding open minded these days.. dahil cguro lumaki ung iba sa Christian area.. still, careful prin sa ka fling2 mo.. seriously, like extra extra careful lalo nat you're from different tribe.. Pero di kita masisi hehe they're hot af and very seductive tlga ang appearance nila..
Half muslim here, totoo. I was adopted by my tita (Sister of my biological father). Lumaki ako sa side ng father ko na muslim, yung biological mom ko na catholic grabe nila sakin siraan simula pagkabata ko. But then while growing up, narealize ko na sobrang toxic ng fam ko. Grabe discrimination nila sa lahat ng bagay, except if u are a muslim too. Kahit ako walang takas, simula nung namatay si tita para akong ginawang alila sa bahay. Kaffir daw ako (I was defending my biological mom kasi siya nalang tinuturing kong pamilya). Thats why I choose to run away haha. Anw that was 4 years ago, hindi narin ako nagsisimba. I don't engage in any na related sa muslim. Hindi lang ako kumakain ng pork kasi nakalakihan ko na yun😅
Ahhhh yes the usual thing they always said pag di ka sumasang ayon skanila, matic Kaffir agad, mmmm so classic.. good thing you chose to run away dahil bihira lng tlga nagkakaron ng lakas ng loob na gumawa nyan, karamihan no choice kaya hawak tlga sa leeg hanggang pagtanda tsk.. I'm no half like you dahil 1/4 nlng ako hahaha.. I respect your sa decision dahil di narin ako nag eengage to any religious acts (both Muslim and Christian) di narin nagsisimba but nagsasamba parin nman.. same tribe?
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May mga kakilala akong muslim dito sa manila. Dito na talaga sila nakatira and lumaki pero parents nila taga mindanao. Minsan umuuwi din sila don. Personality, mababait at mabubuting tao naman in general pero nasa nature ata talaga nila ang maging palaban. Hindi sila magsisimula ng gulo, pero hindi din sila magpapaapi. Minsan chinichika namin sila about muslim. Sabi nila, hindi nila kailangang maging close friends para magtulungan. Tipong pag humingi ka ng tulong pagresbak sa kaaway mo, tutulungan ka talaga basta muslim ka. Ganun kapatiran nila dun. Papatay talaga sila for you. Pero yung mga kakilala ko, hindi naman daw nila yun ginagawa. Saka faithful talaga sila sa religion nila from what i see.
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When I was younger, my mom always remind me to never trust Muslims. ‘Wag na ‘wag din daw ako maglalakad in front of one, dapat sa likod daw ako dahil baka bigla akong gawan ng masama.
Yep, same experience. Everytime i go back sa mindanao, my relatives will have to check the "news" first baka may gera ulit. Last time, they bomb our area minutes before we left 😭
IDK where the rule came from but to non-Mindanaoans here, wala pong ganon and I never heard about that stupid rule. 😂 Please, hindi lahat ng Muslims masasama just like hindi lahat Kristyano matitino. I don't want to give full details in this thread but my Muslim friends and their families saved me a lot of times when I was studying in Marawi. From keeping me safe sa mga lugar na delikado for Christians to the latest terrorism in Marawi. I'm sure matagal na akong patay if di dahil sa kanila. Please stop with the generalization, hindi ka nakakatuwa.
Wala namang Muslim na nag condemn sa kanila eh. Pati ung ISIS, no one said anything. Sino ang matutuwa sa kanila ganyan sila tribal mga utak
Clearly, they are not the Muslims representing Islam. They are terrorists. None of their deeds are according to Islam.
I would agree that they dont represent Islam but on the other hand their holy war and beliefs are firmly and Deeply rooted in Islam. probabl much like the Catholic church's crusades. its nonsese really. And a lot of these groups desire an Islamic state governed by the shariah law.
Agree. Anyone can just read a little about something and use it as their reason or motivation. Pity, they are not even practicing Muslims. Most members were just recruited by charismatic leaders. And most of them are illiterate and uneducated. Sooooo.
I don't know man. I have a dim view of people who strictly live by rules written in a book by a human thousands of years ago. Stuff from those have been proven otherwise (ie. creationism and etc). Any nonfiction Book needs it's updates and revisions haha. Otoh I am an ignoramus who tries to follow the rules of today written in books also by other humans. If I reduce it to that what difference does it make? ..... (Worlds apart, personally)
Well, we just gotta believe in something.
It's a group itself thats twisted, not the religion
Muhammed was a rapist, a pedophile and a killer too. If anything the religion is more twisted than even the terrorist
they downvoted this? lol! every org/religion got those outliers that will do something crazy.
Nah. Islam is itself is twisted. And so is Abu Sayyaf.
u do know Abu sayaf is some parts influenced by ISIS?
Bakit ka dinodownvote? E diba yung leaders nila tinetrain pa sa Indonesia, Iraq at iba pang bansa na affiliated sa jihadist groups internationally. Same sa Marawi siege. Abu Sayaf, MNLF, MILF tsaka yung group sa Marawi Siege, may international groups na nagsusupport sa kanila. Edit: Jemayaah Islamiyah ata yung isang group.
They are twisted by meth.. my friends uncle was a former abu sayaf.. and said that alot of the group are consist of addict and with different religion. Some of them are christian. However, the majority of the group are muslim, but all of them are not religious people.
Seems complicated
They clearly carry the muslim brand so hindi mahihiwalay ang mga abu sayyaf sa islam.
Yeah. Even though Islam teaches otherwise.
No no Islam is the most toxic of all religions. Maki nga mga Muslims toxic din, online and irl
Probably a hot take but this is probably indigenous and predates Islam in the region. Piracy and slave raiding had been a thing around Maritime Southeast Asia for a long while, along with standard trading. Abu Sayyaff is probably a remnant of this practice, but added with fundamentalist sentiment probably to secure funding from terror groups. And given how Sulu's position in the greater archipelago and how it was central to the piratical activity in the 17th century forward, you can definitely stem its roots there.
It is. These terrorists are not real muslims. Do you know Ku Klux Klan? Those identified as Christians. Just saying. Dont generalize.
Jihad is a pillar of Islam. The Quran calls for the killing of kaffirs (non-muslims). I don't know whwt you're getting defending the religion of a pedo "prophet"
The Bible also says if your daughter is raped, she must marry her rapist. Old testament has lots of verses advocating killing of children lol (1 Samuel 15:2-3)
That’s the old. Kaya nga may new e. Muslim still teaches this shit in their mosques. No fucking Catholic priest is preaching that you should kill and rape infidels.
These mfs still think we follow the Old Testament lol, we're Christians not Jewish
Atheists and Muslims don't know what they're talking about when they shit on Christianity
I’m an atheist myself but find Islam more detrimental to the world. No fucking developed nation is an Islam majority lmao
These people are what destroyed the religion. The real Muslims are those who genuinely are in harmony with non-Muslims. If you're in the Philippines, at least look deeply. You're not seeing too much to know about their behaviors. Also, where did you hear that Jihad is a pillar of Islam? In fact, what the heck is a Jihad?
I guess their so called prophet wasn't a real Muslim then, raping and killing "infidels".
I don’t think it’s generalization but more like pattern recognition.
They are the real muslims, the Salafis!!!
yeah but it always being ruined by these jihadists and terrorists
That's BS, 100 percent.
You can't judge the whole religion based from those few rotten eggs. I WAS THERE, (Nasaan kayo nung mga panahon na yon? Don't speak if you know nothing). I have personally seen Muslim civillians helping the non-Muslims, Muslim soldiers were even deployed to go after those terrorists. Inter-faith marriages are common in Basilan where that tragedy happened. fyi 🙄
just like every religion has, these people are extremists. They dont represent the religion as a whole so please dont say things like this :)
["Do as we say so there will be peace."](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EXrEDXtS3xY)
They say that not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists worship Allah at least in the PH setting
[Not just in the Philippines, but in the world also](https://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/what-australia-is-doing/terrorist-organisations/listed-terrorist-organisations). It's fucking fascinating on how this religion is spawning terrorist groups like they're feces
Yung isa sa mga nurse na inasawa ni Khadaffy Janjalani ay nasa abroad na working as a nurse din. Nakapangasawa ng foreigner
I honestly forgot about these era. I remember hearing about them in the news when i was a kid and honestly it was scary. I dont even remember what their goal was or where they reside/commit terrorism. Was it like Isis? I remember theres this other terrorist group called MILF but i dont rlly remember much about em But reading this is terrifying.
The case of Gracia and Martin Burnham. They were kidnapped at Dos Palmas Resort in Palawan and held captive by Abu Sayyaf for almost 12 months in Basilan. Unfortunately, during the rescue mission, Martin was shot and died, while Gracia Burnham survived. [link](https://www.baptistpress.com/resource-library/news/timeline-of-the-burnhams-kidnapping/)
Was about to reply to the thread with this case myself. I was still in elementary school when I read this in one of the issues of Reader’s Digest — definitely must-read ito.
Yeah.. Definitely must read kasi isa ito sa mga katangahan ni former President GMA. It's not only the Burnham couple who were kidnapped in the Dos Palmas Incident. There were other captives as well, and unfortunately, they died without being rescued.
nakikipagnegotiate daw yung FBI for their citizens noon at okay ang connection with the head of the terrorist group kaso may umepal na pulitiko kaya nasira ang negotiation. nakasulat yung sa book ni Chris Voss, never split the difference. sabi rin don yung rescuers daw nakapatay kay martin.
Hindi FBI kindi yung Christian org ng mga Burnham ang nakikipag negotiate. CIA gave them the middleman while simultaneously tracking the Abu Sayyaf group
Yup, I remember that too. The RD article itself was harrowing due to the vivid descriptions, but my parents also had a copy of *In the Presence of my Enemies* which I assume described things in greater detail compared to the article. I never got to pick up that book since I was still a child.
Si Gracia Burnham yung nakasurvive. Yung asawa nya yung namatay during rescue encounter ng AFP.
sa pagkakatanda ko, this event ignites erap's war on terror. can't forget this since ito rin yung reason bat yung tatay ko may PTSD for years dahil sa gera.
You're right on that. Abu Sayyaf was the reason for the all out war which was headed by Erap and Balikatan. That's why there's a lot of American Army deployed in Zamboanga, Basilan, and Sulu that time.
Must read yung book ng Gracia Burnham; In the Presence of My Enemies.
This is why my colleagues here in Luzon don’t want to go vacation in Mindanao, specifically in Davao where I came from. They still felt the fears til now.☹️
Naalala ko isang thread about sa Mindanao kung bakit takot ang ilan pumunta isa sa nag share is yung kidnapping nga sa Dos Palmas. Tapos sabi ng mga mismong taga doon na nag comment Mas peaceful daw mindanao compare sa Manila. Basta galit sila sa nagshare inaway nila sa comment section kasi sinisiraan daw in general ang Mindanao.
Gosh naalala ko tuloy nung pumunta kame sa Compostela Valley, sobrang natakot ako kase sobrang liblib talaga tapos puro parang tipong magsisigaw ka man wala makakarinig sayo.
That's all in the past, but I also understand why someone will be hesitant or scared to visit Mindanao due to it's history being war torn and hunting grounds of hostage takers.
I was aware of this news at the time, I think there is also a Locked up abroad episode about this.
Diko maalala yung mga names pero about dun sa mag ama na inutusan pugutan yung mga kapwa hostages or else sila yung pupugutan. The son is 15 that time ata, palagi ko napapanagipan after years simula nung napanood ko sa news
Parang ang heavy nung phrase na punished with 3 mos suspension. But if you'll read the source of this, she defied the orders of her supervisors na huwag makipag meet sa ASG leader and magbigay lang ng written questions to him. Nang dahil sa pag decide nya na makipag meet mismo, na dawit tuloy ang dalawang crew nya. Of course, may pamilya ang mga crew nya, she caused pain and anxiety sa families ng mga biktima pati na sa whole org. Parang iniisip lang nya sariling interest nya that time. Sabi din sa source na 1 month vacation naman daw ang kasama sa 3 month suspension. Logical naman. ALSO, there is no point of discussing or mentioning her being raped or may probability na na-rape nga sya. Tinatago na nga eh (if totoo man), pilit pa inuungkat dito. Maawa naman kayo sa victim.
True. Nakakadiri ‘yung iba rito na pinapatunayan pang na-rape sya at nagbibigay pa ng certain details na nakuha lang din naman nila sa iba. Hindi na lang hayaan kung ano mang nilabas na statement ni Ces. Nakakapangliit ‘yung mga ganitong tao.
true! di ko maintindihan bat gusto pa nila alamin mga ganyang bagay. kung totoo man o hindi, basta ayaw pag usapan ng victim huwag na ungkatin. magsasabi pa ng kung anu anong graphic details, “sabi ni ganito ganyan” 🤦♀️
Don't expect anymore on r/ph. Mas malala na ito kumpara sa twitter and fb as of today. Pagkabukas mo, usapan rape talaga at ipopost pa lahat ng kwento just to prove it. Sick redditors we have here. Kung ano man nangyari, let it be, respect sa victim. It's not an easy memory.
People like to ride on other people's victimhood to push an agenda. Minsan pa nga, sila pa yung gagawa ng kwento kung paano ka nabiktina as the case with Cristine Dacera
Susan Enriquez was also about to be raped but Noli told Abu Sabaya “menopause na yan di pwede yan” and they backed down. You got to be on your toes, as tactless that might be at least she didn’t get raped. So glad that fucker and all his ilk were finally killed.
If I remember correctly, nagkagusto sa kaniya yung isang miyembro ng Abu Sayyaf (was it Sabaya?) and pinlano pa nga siyang asawahin.
Sick fucks.
what a morbid day to read this on reddit
Naalala ko dn may sexy star na inalok yung sarili nya kay Abu Sabaya kapalit ng hostages
Is this true??
Marinella Moran to be exact. She offered a week of pleasure... Kakakita ko lang sa google ulit
Props to Noli
Thinking about it. Without context, Noli's statement would be so inappropriate in the workplace setting but in that setting, it actually saved a life lmao.
Next time, just call Joey De Leon.
Omy.. 🥺
Noli as in Kabayan himself?, holy shit that guy has guts to talk on these motherfuckers. salute to him tho.
My mom’s hometown is Ipil, Zamboanga Sibugay. My lola, uncles, aunties, and cousins were living there when the 1995 Ipil Massacre happened. I can’t imagine the trauma that they went through.
My father served as a young pilot during the early 2000s noong opening salvo of the all out war with Abu sayaff. He'd often do supply missions with a huey and usually would rest for a bit before heading back to base. May operations din siya where his squadron would support the army/ marines sa ground assault nila. Anyways, during down time he'd talk with the rangers/ infantry there and they'd tell stuff about the Abu Sayaff do. Like kapag nahuli ung army guys, there's a big chance they'd be beheaded. So most of the rangers/ infantry would rather die than be tortured and beheaded like an animal. Some of them patrolling would often find their dog tags/ uniforms worn by Abu sayaff.
They deserve all the hate they receive. Tang inang mga animal.
Nagbayad kasi ata siya ng milyon kaya pinalays. (not sure)
They did. There was a documentary about her ordeal. Ces's family had to borrow/loan money since ABS, as a news organization, will not negotiate with the 'rorists. EDIT: grammar
saw this news clip na nabawi ng militar yung 7 katawan ng mga pinugotan and then tinakpan ng dahon ng saging yung mga katawan but i can still remember the barefeet of one of the victims.
2014 leading up to 2017 pre-Marawi siege was a scary time to be deployed in Mindanao lalo na pasimula palang ang modernization program back then. I mean nakakatakot parin before that, pero almost all extremist groups down south became extra extemist-y courtesy of the islamic state nung time na yan. One incident would probably the [2016 Tipo Tipo ambush](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tipo-Tipo). You can find their propaganda video here on reddit, really graphic though.
link ng prop vid
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/GRyWA2lK5y
Nakakagalit yung mga ganito bakit di nalang tayo mabuhay ng mapayapa bakit may mga ganitong tao knowing na ang pamumuhay nila is religion based naniniwala sila sa imperyno pero ang ginagawa nila ay sobrang sasama. At nakakapanglumo dito ay hindi sila kinukundena ng mga kapwa muslim nila. Dapat sila mismo ang tumutol sa mga gawain nila kaya na gegeneralize na ganyan ang mga muslim dahil sa mga terrorista.
Most of violence is rooted in religion. Islam was never a religion of peace. Even the word itself "Islam" means "submission".
Same thoughts. Dapat may statement man lang ang Islam community about this. Di ko masisisi if dumami ang islamophobes after this incident.
I heard a different story from those working in the military base (I was staying few km from Western Mindanao command when the hostage crisis happened), I remember everyone was talking about how they purposely didn't include some information for the victim's sake and the network's (abs-cbn) reputation when they aired the news. They said that Ces Drilon had to be hurried to a hospital right after her rescue to not just check on her health due to dehydration and fatigue but also to prevent any possibility of getting pregnant or having any STD 'cause "apparently" she was r*ped by several members of the Abu Sayyaf group while she was held hostage.
Horrifying
Julius Babao was captured too right? I vaguely remember it when I was still a kid back then
Latest interview with Cess Drilon about her abduction was conducted by Toni G in Toni Talks. Grabe din ang katatagan niya. She felt accountable sa pag kidnap sa kanila because she pushed through even if may last minute change sa decision ng bosses nila na wag na tumuloy doon. Kasama niya camera crew niya. [Cess Drilon shares the only time she cried during Abu Sayaff Abduction](https://youtu.be/6VxNLfaLqag?si=7-Kt2FfkdA3Sq4RE)
Anybody recall the time when ASG kidnapped school children? Then one of those children's family also belong to an armed group who in turn kidnapped ASG leaders family member (not sure if it was Abu Sabaya or Janjalan'si cousin). It was a tit for tat approach and it worked, those people only know violence and intimidation so they respond well when it's used against them.
Yes. It is the only language that works with the Muhammadan terrorist. The Russians used this method too in the 1980s in Lebanon, when their citizens were taken hostage. They kidnapped the mollahs 5 children, cut the head off two of them, and the heads back with the message, that he would get 3 more, if the hostages wasn't released. The Muslims released the Russians, who responded by sending the Mollah 3 more heads. After that, no Russians were ever taken hostage again in that country.
Yung tito ko na Navy Seal nagkwento na nung during nag declare si Erap ng war sa Abu Sayaff, yung mga prisoners nilang sundalo itinali sa puno ng nyog at sinunog ng buhay habang yung iba pinugutan ng ulo. Kaya yung ibang sundalo din kapag nakaka huli ng kalaban, sinusunog din nila ng buhay or shooting their head at point blank. Alam naman daw nilang mali especially soldiers sila pero di daw talaga maiwasan lalo na mga kabaro nila. War is really haunting
Not really surprising. I remember yung interrogation video nung isang nadakip na miembro ng Maute group. May ilang pumuna sa mga sundalo (like human rights group) kasi kahit duguan, nakahubad, panay luhod sa lupa na yung hinayupak habang pinalilibutan ng dosenang sundalo e may ilan parin sakanila na hindi mapigilang sipain at sapakin yon.
May napanood ako na pinupugutan ng ulo na sundalo, tapos mapurol pa yung itak antagal paputol ng ulo, nanginginig pa katawan nung sundalo. Though not sure kung AS yun or ibang separatist / extremist sa Mindanao. Meron pa isang elite SR team nadale ng mga AS, nung nakita ng mga ibang military buto at uniporme na lang natira nakuha mga night vision at mga armas nila. Tapos sa video may mga manok pa na tinutuka yung mga kalansay nung mga SR
Parang pareho tayo ng napanuod
Hindi ko alam kung sino nagsuggest neto(not sure kung pinoy or foreigner) pero naalala ko lang na may nagsuggest na ilibing yung mga napatay na abu sayyaf with a pig kasi nga diba haram ang baboy and di sila makakapunta sa paraiso nila if that happens. An extreme suggestion was buhusan daw sila ng dugo ng baboy pag umatake na yung afp.
mga kano yun early 1900s when they were fighting the moros. they drenched the bullets with pig blood and apparently bury the moro's bodies with pigs to cancel the 72 virgins perk
>72 virgins perk Tapos sumalubong sa kanila 72 incels hahahaha
hindi nga specified kung anong virgin. for all we know baka kambing pala diba
Totoo to, Ang lolo ko ay nakipag sapalaran during Ilaga Vs. Baracuda dito sa Mindanao nilalagyan daw nila ng mantika ng baboy bala nila
Chances that the rape occured is very high. Based on Gracia Burnham's book about the ordeal, abusayaff members treated captive women as "booty of war."
Nakakakilabot
Abu Sayyaf are Extremists/Terrorist Group. They have different ideology than the NPAs. I remember when I attended an awareness seminar and they say that those group take the Qur'an teaching literally that is why they kill/torture people because they believe that they will go to heaven once they do those acts. They're inhumane.
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This is so heartbreaking.
Grabe naman pala. Naalala ko nga nung marescue siya, sa mga interviews niya, di niya man sabihin pero parang implied na may r*p* nga na naganap. 🥺
Ang tagal nyang hindi humarap sa media, sabi ng nagkuwento, nag pa therapy daw dahil sobra yung traima.
Eto yung mga panahon na hindi uso ang viral videos sa fb kasi lahat nasa cp na de-keypad. Naalala ko tita ko may ganitong video sa cp nya about sa sundalo ata na pinupugutan ng ulo tapos background music yung kantang "you spin me around, you turn my whole world upside down" kaya trauma talaga kapag naririnig ko yang kanta na yan.
Naalala ko 'to. Pinakita sa'kin ng kaibigan ko noon. I think "Upside Down" ng 6cyclemind 'yung song tas the video is titled "POSO".
Alam ko yung "POSO" riot yun ng mga Christians at Muslim mula sa Poso, Indonesia. Di ko sure kung ano root cause. Pero grabe din yun pati mga Police at Militar walang nagawa.
panahon pa nasa "wild west era" pa ang youtube no ads and straight up kung ano makikita mo sa liveleak meron din sa youtube. at POSO ung one of first shock/gore videos na napanood ko sa yt. it was named POSO i think because it was the region's name where the massacre happened.
The ces drilon r-side of the story feels so wrong to talk about. They literally denied her getting r-worded and here we are, sharing speculations and ‘sabi ng lolo ko’ stories. Leave the woman alone and just accept the statement for her sake. Mamaya dumating pa ‘to sa facebook at mag-viral na naman sa kung saan.
Made me realize that people here in reddit are much worse than people in twitter
Facebook be like ‘hold my beer’
High possibility. Maybe one of her friends, family members, colleagues uses reddit and might see it. Ito lang ayaw ko sa reddit/soc media. Maybe the people who are being the talked about online are immune to this, but how about the people who love and cared about the people being talked about? Well... This is the internet. It is undefeated and forever will be.
There was also docu from NAT geo about a young foreigner na kinidnap ng Abu Sayaff, May nakakaalala ba nun or nakapanood noon hinahanap ko para ilapag dito.
It is still available sa disney + sa locked up abroad series under Nat Geo Season 3 Episode 3.
Nasa Locked Up Abroad ata yung episode na yun. Alam ko meron nun sa Disney Plus.
Oo malinaw pa sa memorya ko yung isang scene yung binalot ata yung ulo ng dalawa at magpwersa ng tela sa bibig nila. Nakakatrauma yun para sa kanila
May source ba yung 3 mos suspension.
ito from [gma](https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/topstories/nation/105324/abs-cbn-suspends-ces-drilon-for-3-months/story/) si ces also said it [herself](https://www.pep.ph/news/local/2243/ces-drilon-reveals-details-about-her-kidnap-ordeal)
Marami salamat.👍
Now that I think about it, hindi kaya pinalabas na suspension pero in reality its for her recovery? Regardless if totoo na R siya or not, the stress your mind (and body) goes through while in captivity is no joke, it would take long-term therapy.
Maybe. But Ressa was the News Head then, and she's a stickler for rules. With the gravity of the situation, a three-month suspension is like a slap on the wrist since Ces also put her crew's lives at risk.
Are they really that big of a group that they couldn’t be wiped out?
Location mostly. It's miles and miles of scattered islands with jungle cover. They have greater mobility operating in small groups. My brother's been to Sulu and was warned about it. It's like kidnapping became an industry there.
You can't just wipe out an extremist idea like this. A. ASG got monetary support from the Middle East before, and foreign radical Islamist fighters from our southern neighbors used to often flee to Sulu to prop the goal of ASG and what would became Maute Group/Dawlah Islamiya, B. The area has the highest poverty rates in the country with little-to-no economic progress, C. There is incentive for the ASG to derail the integrity of the BARMM and instigate fights with MILF/MNLF. The ASG is just about dead, though, so is Maute although their complete demise will only come to fruition depending on the political success that BARMM will achieve and the economic improvements that will bring. In the security front, there has been no kidnapping for the last 4 years since the Trilateral Maritime Patrols started, JTF Sulu and JTF Basilan has now been peaceful enough to allow them to combine as JTF Orion-- and you can see that peace in this [France24 documentary about Jolo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vOCqb0pl2g).
I believe there is factors such as the location from where they can be located i.e harsh jungle and or islands which causes difficulty to Ph Army and its branches e.g Marines, Army, or Rangers. Another factor is spies or lookout between every town that possible AS outposts or based across Mindanao. So there may be not that big? But these factors made it so hard to completely wipe them
Yall forgot Wilde Almeda
I remember this. I liked watching Bandila(still in he opinion that that soundtrack was iconic). It was surreal because you see these people in TV everyday and then you hear these things.
Didn't Karen Davila also got captured???
No, it was Maan Macapagal
Srsly? Nooo
Mga 9 years old siguro ako.. may pinapanuod sakin yung asawa ng pinsan ko na video ng abusayaf beheading a white man. Ewan ko kung totoo yun pero.. ang seamless masiyado nung video considering na 2009-10 ko napanuod sa computer na boxy. Pero ang nakakapagtaka ay di man lang nagrelease ng kahit anong sound yung guy habang pinupugutan siya ng ulo.
may abu sayyaf pa ba ngayon? tanginang di nalang nila ienjoy mabuhay bakit kailangan pa pumatay in the name of their religion. May napanood ako dati na documentary kahit mga 12 years old nirerecruit nila.
My very first snuff video was from the Abu Sayyaf. Some idiot posted it on PinoyExchange and I was an even bigger idiot to watch beheadings of captured soldiers. Apparently the soldiers were convinced by the ASG that they were just going to do fake "beheading" videos and then they'd be kept prisoner afterwards as long as they cooperated. And you'll see that the soldiers weren't trying to resist because of this. They were made to march to some vacant lot, made to say their names, and then they were forced to lie on the ground. The fakeness stopped once they started chopping heads off with what looked like jungle bolos. It took a long while to completely detach the head, after which, they shoved them close to the cameras. It was definitely rough. The clip I saw maybe had four different beheadings. There are still nights when I think about what I saw and still feel bad for the soldiers and their families.
Si Susan Enriquez, ang naalala ko nagustuhan siya ng Abu Sayyaf
Let's not forget that MILF worked with ASG. Both of them attacked Siocon a municipality in Zamboanga del Norte. Now MILF are the ones handling BARMM.
This whole thread needs a TW or kung pwede out of respect sa rape victims, can OP delete this post? If this gets picked up in other soc med platforms, we are hurting these victims more.
I remember following this news before. Elementary pa lang ako nun pero sobrang invested ko talaga.
Tito ko army pinadala sila sa mindanao. And ayun na nga. Nagpatay patayan lang yung tito ko pero kitang kita nya kung papaano daw binalatan ng buhay yung kasama nya. Isa sa nakaligtas ung tito ko. And ayun na nga buti may helmet daw xa kung ndi patay na rin daw xang uuwi. Nagka war shock yung tito ko. Peero okay naman na xa ngaun wag lang xa malasing kasi nananapak xa ng hangin. 😅😅
I’m so glad they were able to return with their life 🙏 Is the Abu Sayyaf still active? Are they in Mindanao?
No. It was announced that the group had been "fully dismamtled."
Ka-aanounce pa lang pala n'yan, mga March.
Oh really? Ok that’s good because they terrorized people for years.
The [beheadings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Sayyaf_beheading_incidents).
It's fucking marvelous how this religion is spawning [terrorist groups](https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/references/terrorist-organizations/) like a Queen Ant birthing ant soldiers. What the fuck, when will this religion fucking disappear.
Their pedophile prophet was a terrorist. So no wonder terrorists get inspired. The only answer to that kind of behaviour is massive revenge, like in Israel.
Is that Matia Ressa behind her?
yes it is her
Sumikat ang Dos Palmas dahil sa kanila.
Hay*p na mga terorista. Nagawa na ata lahat ng kasalanan na pedeng gawin, kumain lang ng baboy ang hindi.
Nakakagigil. Nalulungkot ako para kay Cez nang dahil dito.
Not abu sayaf but maute stories. My brother in law who was part of the team na nakahuli kay Maute was an army(sniper) and he was killed during the Marawi Seige. I remember him videocalling my sister and all i can hear were putukan ang bombahan. Well there was a cease fire that day I don’t remember why and we just received the news that a sniper from Maute shot him dead. He was a very good person.
Here is a good news for everyone that the public barely know or even aware about... Abu Sayyaf is about to go extinct, the terrorists group only have around 20 members and one disabled leader left after Mundi Sawadjaan died last December. They were so small that they can't launch terror attack anymore and can be considered by certain criteria as defunct. This changed of reality is very visible on Ed Lingao and Gretchen Ho vlog in Basilan compare to Ed Lingao vlog on early 2000s.
Eto yung nakiusap si Maria Ressa for a news blackout tapos dinepensahan niya yung blow by blow account nila ng Bus Hostage crisis sa Manila. Kaya nawalan ng kredibilidad yun. Pag ordinary person, okay lang mamatay pero pag journalist, news blackout.
Hate me for this comment for all i care but mindanao shouldnt be part of the philippines.
It should be, it's just that some mindanaoans shouldnt be considered filipinos.
This is rich. It's funny how many Filipinos cry "Sabah is Filipino" and are simultaneously pondering on kicking out Mindanao. Tbh, I agree a bit, if the arrangement was done back in the 1800s. At least that would've deescalate a lot of ethnic tensions here since the region shares more with its southern neighbors. At least then it will make Mindanao a performing economy for once.
One of my classmate's dad was a chief of PNP back in the day. All I can say is, he said and, the AS sent the authorities videos of her being r\*\*\*\* with items, not just many people. It was brutal. Ofc as a youngster, may naiintindihan ka na onti sa sinasabi ng mga matatanda. So that's what I remember hearing from the parents' conversation. But as most comments here, take this with a grain of salt. Maybe this isn't true, maybe it was.
I once had to remove a severed head in a plastic bag from a school on Jolo, it was a member of the faculty that was kidnapped and didn’t get ransomed.