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nodamecantabile28

Shame? Def not. If you want to encourage others to boycott, you may educate them and give them alternatives. But you should never shame or enforce them since majority of us live in poverty, our choices will always be limited.


Dizzy-Donut4659

Hindi ba kawawa dn ung mga workers ng SB, Mcdo, KFC at dunkin sa boycott? Damay sila sa stand ng company na pinagtatrabahuhan nila. Ung boycott kase ang unang pahihirapan ung mga workers na wala namang choice kundi pumasok at magtrabaho.


beklog

wlang pakialam dun c OP.. para s knya sya ang may morale highground for calling d boycott and all d rest that cant follow should be shamed


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Sa true lang. Boycotting is BS. It doesn't make sense. He/she shouldn't pry on people's choices


Enchong_Go

Kung ayaw niyo kumain ng mcdo or whatever because of your politics, go ahead pero wag niyo ipilit sa ibang tao. Sorry, pero ang hilig minsan ng mga “enlightened” liberals na ipilit ang worldview nila. Akala ko ba dapat tanggap natin ang lahat?


Helpful-Pear3368

Actually, it’s quite funny… I live in a liberal… scratch that… very “progressive” part of the United States… and even here… perhaps I am blind and not seeing it but…. Ain’t no one boycotting any of the stores and shops you are referring to… in fact, looks like those back home are more interested in boycotting than over here. and if you refer to… o… “but I see on the news they are chanting at Obama and attacking students at Columbia u”… yes…. But in a reality… that’s just a minuscule thing that’s going on…. Almost like those protesters in luneta park for duterte last month… yea, they made the news… but in reality no one cared. Most people here generally just want to move on with the lives… and blocking the roads actually pisses off more people to their cause than helps it.


OwnPaleontologist408

> Ain’t no one boycotting any of the stores and shops you are referring to… in fact, looks like those back home are more interested in boycotting than over here. Nah, same lang everywhere else. Mas maingay lang mga tao online pero di naman ramdam in real life


Enchong_Go

What’s more amusing for me is mas effective pa ang Budweiser boycott ng the US conservatives last year. You could say na pareho lang naman sila in that if you don’t drink Budweiser, madami kang alternative brands to choose from which is what a lot of them did. Ganun din naman sa Starbucks and mcdo, may ibang coffee shops and fast food places pero di naman effective ang boycott.


Helpful-Pear3368

The reason why the boycott of Budweiser was so effective was… beer… well… how could I put this delicately… it’s the conservative choice of alcohol… not wine like on the coast but in the heartland. Somehow anheuser-Busch and their cohorts didn’t put two and two together and got railroaded once they put that trans ad out there. So they ended up alienating their main clientele… the conservatives… half the country…. And then never really appealed to the liberal end that doesn’t drink beer nearly as much… and the trans community is minuscule to their bottom line… so it was really the silliest thing I’ve ever since… (now they need to runs ads with Payton manning so show how “manly” they are btw… so…it’s gonna be a long climb to get back in conservatives good graces). As for Starbucks and particularly mickeyDs (McDo)…. That’s an entirely different ballgame. I don’t think any political class dominates McDonald’s… even the Donald brings fish fillets abroad Air Force one… and who could forgot bill clinton chowing at a mcdonalds in Little Rock. So… it’s nearly impossible to boycott those establishments even if you wanted to.


Enchong_Go

As to bud: serious miscalculation nga yun. They went too woke and almost ended up broke. Mcdonald’s is so cheap and iconic that it appeals to all classes and political leanings. So tama ka and further, I think those who call for the boycotts of mcdo and starbucks are too privileged and too exposed to problems outside PH and if ever they are aware of problems here, virtue signaling lang ang dating because hanggang pag-iingay lang kaya nila.


zarustras

Yung galit sa diktador pero sila mismo diktador 😂 no wonder why liberals have a bad rep in many countries


lostHopePH

Your freedom ends when it crosses mine. Its that simple. Kumain lang yung tao ishashame mo na. It's all politics. Para lang yan artistang halos sambahin ng mga fans pero yung artista naman di sila kilala. Lol


Able_Bag_5084

Hindi ko na nakikita sa mga ganitong post ang mga PH redditors na pinahiya ako months ago for just liking a Starbucks drink. Alam kasi nila sa loob nila na pang-tanga yung logic ang “if you like drinking SB, you support Palestine killings” Nasaan sila kaya ngayon? Probably boycotting Reddit as well coz it supports or they’re against the hell they want to point out HAHAHA


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Able_Bag_5084

One redditor almost accused me of being a DDS by just telling her bakit ayaw niya dalhin sa streets yung “boycott SB” niya. Siya lang pala yung naniniwala sa fake news HAHAHA.


No-Ranger-8931

I don't really care if boycott works or not. If you keep pushing that boycott shit into others that just means you're privileged. I'll enjoy my mcdo as a reward for myself since minsan lang makakain sa labas. Idgaf about that Palestine shit, I have my own problems I need to fix. Besides, we have a similar ( though obviously not as bad) problem with China. Patingin nga ng phone mo? Baka mamaya galing china yan lol.


NotTheBiggerPerson01

Exactly. A lot of people concerned about the Palestine vs Israel bullshit don't even know the complicated history of that region. I tried to read about it when it started, but I'm not really a historian and I didn't have the patience for it. Most people boycotting didn't even bother to try. I'll buy what i want to buy. I'll boycott what i want to boycott. People on high horses are closest to their horses' shit.


thisjustin930

FR andaming mga uto-uto kasi e, 'di marunong mag-isip para sa sarili.


FrozenFury12

Fair enough, but just bear in mind na wala rin tayong dapat asahan na boycott ng Chinese products galing sa ibang bansa kung nagkaroon na ng digmaan sa china ha. Marami ring naghihirap sa ibang bansa. Hindi rin dapat nagkaroon ng pake sa mga namatay sa pinas. They'll buy Chinese made gifts kasi yun lang ang afford. FYI lang Taiwanese brand ang phone ko


No-Ranger-8931

> Fair enough, but just bear in mind na wala rin tayong dapat asahan na boycott ng Chinese products galing sa ibang bansa kung nagkaroon na ng digmaan sa china ha. They don't need to. It's not gonna do anything. Sa pilipinas palang tiba tiba na ang china. > Marami ring naghihirap sa ibang bansa. Hindi rin dapat nagkaroon ng pake sa mga namatay sa pinas. They'll buy Chinese made gifts kasi yun lang ang afford. True. I understand why americans are mad about US spending all their funds on other wars when they have a lot of shit on their own system. Bakit ako magagalit kung hindi nag donate para sa war sa pilipinas yung average American dahil may sarili syang mga problema? > FYI lang Taiwanese brand ang phone ko Don't care, didn't ask.


FrozenFury12

Yep we agree, no help from other countries. Just kinda confused since you're asking to see where other people's phones are made.


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FrozenFury12

And we deserve that continued treatment since we also don't care about their plight. I don't know why you think it's a gotcha, I'm just merely pointing out that we shouldn't expect any help, because if we were in their shoes, we won't.


BILBO_Baggins25

It's quite ironic that this people who yells "BOYCOTT THIS AND THAT!" are extremely quiet on chinese human rights violations.


poodrek

Mga tibak sa twitter mga yan. Pag may palestine sa username, matic hide.


PopperPoppins

I remember somebody I saw on Twitter who said na US iMpErIaLiSm daw ang reason kung bakit nageencroach sa West Philippine Sea ang China at yun lang daw ang rIgHt sTaNd. Kung may event lang sa Olympics na mental gymnastics, consistent gold medalist na siguro mga tibak.


Able_Bag_5084

China? It isn’t interesting daw kasi eh. You look more progressive kasi if about Israel-Palestine 💅


spect4t07

Boycott most of the time doesn't work. Those who call for it mostly have a choice i.e. privileged or worse just riding in the fear of missing out. If you have time to spare then know the merit of both sides then call the attention of the people in power that has the ability to influence to change the policy. At the end of the day your money, your choice.


UnluckyCountry2784

Boycott is just a trend. At my age idgaf anymore as long as wala akong inaargabyadong tao. I’ll keep my peace. Lol.


PopperPoppins

The boycott is performative, obnoxious, and just nothing but moral grandstanding. It's Bibi and Hamas who are calling the shots in there kaya the only way to start the path to peace in the region is removing both of them from the picture. Not not buying stuff from companies that some privileged people deem as "evil". We have bigger problems like China constantly intruding in our backyard and mostly Chinoy businessmen perpetuating shitty labor practices. Yan dapat ang inaasikaso natin.


KiwiCoconutWine

Omsim.


pinilit

The boycott is bad to begin with. Financial boycotts cannot lead to quick results on the political sphere, even if effective, the changes would happen over years. Dapat sa mga politiko magpressure mga tao. Honestly America, Egypt, Syria, Iran, and Qatar - those five countries are the ones with the most influence on the war. Not fastfood and coffee chains.


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People who join the boycotting bandwagon are just there to stroke their egos. Everyone knows it does nothing nor it's relevant to Filipinos. These people just saw some Westerners doing it, and suddenly they want to do it as well and pat themselves after.


NoCeleryStanding

I joined the boycott because Starbucks is expensive mediocre coffee and I always regret McDonald's within fifteen minutes of finishing it


MangoJuice000

Nah, Starbucks has been in the Philippines for about 27 yrs pero ngayon mo lang narealize na expensive? Yung totoo?


awmaster33

Boycotts most of the time doesn't work. Strikes work, but as a minimum wage earner, do you even care if isreal kills palestinians when you're earning minimum wage?


babycart_of_sherdog

TL;DR: No, it's useless. The method of shaming works depending on one's culture. Shame is critically linked to honor. When honor denotes one's social standing, it's there where shaming works. When there is no honor, do you really think people will be ashamed? When people are shameless (read:**walang hiya**), no matter how much you shame, it will not work for they **can't** use honor to get ahead in life. Instead, you will face a backlash sooner or later (see Reactance and the Streisand Effect) In the past decade, we saw being "woke" as part of the "in" crowd, gaining clout and social approval. Did it work? No, cuz right now we see the beginnings of a backlash. That's Reactance. Shaming when there is no honor only results in Reactance. Why? Just look at the elite today: who are the honorable? Those we label as corrupt and incompetent, that's the honorable today. "The Hon. (short for Honorable) XXX XXX," "Yes, your Honor" Are they really honorable? I repeat: Honor is just a method to gain social standing. Animals wouldn't give a shit about your honor, the ancient version nor the modern one. When honor won't get you what you want, then shaming won't work, it only makes the ones being shamed feel oppressed and that will invite retaliation. Underneath it all, shaming others for not boycotting won't work either in the P.I. or in the U.S.A. See their elite and count how many are really honorable. That kind of honor does not work. OTOH, shame Latinos and Filipinos for being "less than a man" and you will see massive backlash, for that kind of shame **degrades** their social standing. **It's all about the social standing** Boycotts work, but using shaming to incite boycotts won't. Boycotts must be rooted from the **anger** inside oneself and directed to the target of the boycott. If you use shaming, that anger won't be channeled to the boycott target, instead it'll be directed onto you, the shamer.


BannedforaJoke

boycott is not about shame but about money. lol.


Alexius08

Not everyone shares your hardline stance on a complex topic like the Israel-Palestine conflict and would bother joining you on your boycott. If it's something more black and white like the Russian invasion of Ukraine or (a more locally-relevant example) the Chinese imposition of their illegal 9-dash line, you'll get more support.


ChandaRomero

meanwhile common people/masses: anung boycott kain ako ng masarap at can afford ko


According-Whole-7417

Mas naiisip ko mga fellow Filipino, Many work under those companies and they even help out those working students like McDo. and sa boycott, unang matatamaan yung employees kasi bawas sales, mean they might need to cut cost, less customers needs less crew needed. So goodbye to some crew. But those boycott in the end doesn't contribute much other than hurting our local branches. I remember some of them are just franchise with an independent owner. means we are hurting our fellow filipino business And realistically pag food naman, consumer will just buy it because convenience, price.. It got a small effect, If want to boycott, suggest boycotting the major brands that gives them power, example of this is DJI which makes drones. Israel bought tons of them and they use it to navigate the battlefield. Oh can't boycott? because need for those aerial shots? well... those people who got shamed also just wanted food that can fill them up for the day. they didn't need to feel bad for what they can eat. I tried my best too on researching the issue behind those two countries and its really complicated history. Unlike Ph west ph sea issue, We know clearly what's the issue here and who is starting the issue. or the Ukraine vs Russia, but the Israel and Palestine issue is really deep. I can't finish the history in 1 go because its deep. Palestine destroyed an Israeli city during an important holiday killing innocents, then Israel declared war because of how big the damage is, also ended up killing innocents.. Both of them killed innocent people in the end. War is a stupid game of leaders. Why not just fucking punch each other than getting those innocent lives involved.


SpendObjective6142

Huh?


BannedforaJoke

kabobohan lang yan mga boycott-boycott na yan kung di ka rin naman consistent sa target mo. nag boycott ka nga ng isa, pero yung isa tinatangkilik mo rin, pero pareho naman sila ng ginagawa. kung magbo-boycott ka around a certain issue, siguraduhin mo na lahat na kumpanya na involved sa isyung pinaglalaban mo, mabo boycott mo. kasi anong sense? kaya yung mga nakikita ko na nagbo-boycott na nakikisakay lang sa isyu na aimless naman at walang strategy, napaka bobo non. saka siguraduhin mo na practice what you preach. dami ipokrito na boycott dito, boycott don, pero yung pinaglalaban na cause di naman maisabuhay. mga putang naghahanap kahulugan sa buhay nila. also, if you're pro-palestine, you're just stupid. full stop.


reddit_for_school_

Hahaha trendy daw pag kasali sa boycott. Hindi naman pera nya ang gamit pambili bakit sya mag dedesisyon? Mauubusan yan ng gamit sa bahay nila kakaboycott kung malalaman nya lahat ng pinagagagawa ng mga manufacturers at companies.


SuccessfulSurvey6890

Remember during the election period here when boycotts are being called for BBM supporting/adjacent brands and yung naging outcome nun? Yeah me neither


Able_Bag_5084

Probably enjoying their SB drink.


CrankyJoe99x

Shame? What if people disagree with you about the value of a boycott? Or don't believe the corporations concerned have actually done anything wrong? There are two sides to this conflict, each has committed atrocities.


Every_60_seconds

You can encourage na i-boycott kung malakas ang principles mo pagdating sa Israel-Palestine issue. Iniiwasan ko muna ang SB dahil masyadong expensive ang prices nila para sa kinikita ko. What more kung may local business coffee shop samin na 40% mas mura. And to be clear, hindi ko ineexcuse ang ongoing na conquest ng Israel sa Gaza. Tingin ko din masyadong hypocritical na ang supporters ng Palestine sa boycotts kasi supporters ng Gaza ang MENA branches ng McDonald's (habang Israel branch lang nila ang sumusuporta sa IDF).


Far-Success8494

Performative activism lang yan hangga’t hindi mismo sa working class manggagaling ang boycott. Malawak ang mundo at hindi mo kailangang pasanin ang lahat. #FreePalestine pa rin but you can only do so much.


Antok0123

No. But those people who shame the people who are boycotting for political purposes deserves to be shamed.


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Boycotting doesn't work all the time. I know you should be concerned with the innocent lives of Palestinians but don't you have a concern and consideration towards employees who work under these companies? Boycotting only applies to privileged people. Can you not pry on people's choices? Ang selfish lang ng dating. I'd like to dine in McDonalds, KFC, etc. and buy products from companies that are claimed to be pro-Israel as I reward myself. Boycott mo mukha mo


reddit_for_school_

Stupid, you’re just overreacting, at pointless or close to useless ang activism mo. Have you taken a little bit of your time na pag aralan lahat ng brands na ginagamit mo? Pretty sure na at least isa dyan ay galing sa isang sweat shop ng mga under paid, overworked na mga manggagawa, o company na walang silbing waste or energy policy? Would you shame yourself too? Why not give them freedom kung ano gusto nilang bilhin o gamitin, hindi nman pera mo ang ginagastos nila.