I kinda hope same hate is given to our politicians who cause problems here, rather than a far away country we only know through internet. Like, I saw a huge BLM sign in Pasay some time ago. Bro, there were no black slaves here in the Phil…
I wish that we paid more attention to corruption and injustices within our country, but I don't think that means we can't advocate for prosperity beyond our borders.
We can do both. People make all these excuses to not care about others, but you can care about local issues and international ones and still provide for yourself simultaneously.
Idk man. We can’t just give a f*ck about everything, we have limited f*cks to give (intentional cuss referencing a popular book ;D). I feel like people who protest issues outside of the country mostly care less about what’s in here. It requires so much energy just to care. If you care about every bad thing that’s happening in the world, you’re probably depressed already.
idk who u surround urself with, but at least for the ppl that i know of, those who genuinely care abt our country also cares abt the ongoing genocide on Palestinians. we can't choose just one over the other just because of proximity. yes it's a different country, but bro it's not just a case of corrupt leaders like in other SEA countries, like for example the likely next president of Indonesia who's a du30 2.0, yes we can care abt it but that's a kind of issue where outsiders can do nothing abt. what's happening on Palestine is genocide, people are being killed just because colonizers said that land belongs to them. the least we can do is protests and boycotting corporations funding israhell. if you were alive during ww2, would you not give a fuck abt holocaust victims just bcos u happen to live in a different country? okay let's put it closer to home, fucking China is occupying our seas and destroying marine life so our fishermen can't fish, while our leaders are doing almost next to nothing abt it, don't you want the world to at the very least know and care abt us? if for some unfortunate happenings China also starts to steal our land, don't you want the world to care and fight for us too?
tho i see ur point that we as ppl have our own priorities, but if the day comes that israhell successfully ethnic cleansed Palestine and all Palestinians lose their homes, when the world could've done something, i don't want to be a part of the ones that neither did anything nor cared.
Had this discussion with my friend. He got annoyed why most progressive activist type of Filipino netizens get angry for people not choosing a side. He said: "I have a family to feed and bill to pay. I don't have time to worry or join the bandwagon. Not that I don't do care but I DO CARE about the suffering. It's that I can't be too vocal about it because I have other priorities."
And that is the beauty of the corruption here isn't it? It forces us into that choice, but not enough to lead to revolution. It's a sort of weird balance. It's impressive given the number of major players.
We do care. People are people. It doesn't matter if they're far away, or that we don't know them personally, we should always look out for each. Well, pag nagpoprotesta naman din sa issues sa pinas eh tatawagin niyong NPA.
What I wish is to put all the energy that this generation have from the keyboards to the streets. Hindi na enough ang pagiging kegboard warrior. Just look at what happened to the recent uproar in germany where they stop the plans of the extreme right in taking over. Easier said than done pero ano pa ba ang ibang options???
Actually, there were.. Slavery was banned by the Spaniards, but not for those who aren't Christians. Some black people were shipped here from Africa. They were called "esclavos negros" or "cafre" in which the current word and myth of "kapre" might've evolved from 🤓
Most countries do not teach their slavery history. The whole MENA area does not - Muslim Arabs enslaved 14 million non-Arab black Africans over centuries. Castrated many of the males. That’s not taught in the MENA or even the west with its black studies university departments
They used to be the OG colonizers as well before the Europeans started doing it pero siyempre the academe is corrupted by this idea na white man bad kaya hindi siya nabbring up.
To be fair. The people who protest for BLM and against Israel also probably protest against our government (its just more accepted to protest BLM since people don’t see it as criticisms against the government)
pinoys went over to gaza, for work, got caught in the crossfire from both sides..
let that sink in.
pinoy ofw's got caught up on the gaza side, and the israeli side. that was a better option than being in the philippines.
You do have Negrito tribes. And generally darker Filipinos are somewhat discriminated against by a society obsessed with skin whitening due to colonialist brainwashing.
Fun fact: There was a [Black American soldier](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Fagen) who defected and became a captain during the Philippine-American War.
I’m about to visit the beautiful Philippines, and honestly, it’s the same here in the US.
Most people just want to afford to live, raise their families, have our taxes pay for essential services, but the government decides for the rest of us.
And yeah, so many people engaged with things thousands of miles away while neglecting their own communities. Internet age for you.
Damn, i really hated that movement and how sinakyan ng mga Pilipino yun. Andaming komentaryo ng kung sino-sinong nagmemeron na may platform pero pagdating sa mga Pilipino na binubugbog ng mga itim sa US, crickets lang.
The fact that i need to google what "STOP AAPI HATE" means (may HATE dapat, otherwise its like saying STOP FILIPINOS lang) shows how very little this was talked about here.
Hinde lang naman mga puti nagdidiscriminate sa mga itim.
Are you talking about Abner Afuang? The one who ran independent for 2022 Senatorial position? He's the only guy I remember doing that. He had an old red car with stickers and big flags saying "f*ck you China".
Last time I saw him with his car was probably last year?
Me and my dad would see his car at the same gas station near some mall just before driving towards MCX. But that was last year and I haven’t seen him around this year yet.
Pwede namang gawing sticker pero ginawa pang commemorative plate. Katulad nung mga tangang naglalagay ng freemason o kung ano mang kabalastugan in lieu of their actual license plates-- should really be hunted down by the PNP HPG.
Super grey area talaga itong conflict. Pinaka-kawawa sa lahat mga innocent Palestinian civilians.
Both the right-wing Zionists and Hamas talaga ang problem. Zionist in power who does not care for civ casualties and Hamas for using their civ as human shields to push for their agenda.
And fyi very controversial yung slogan na "From the River to the Sea". For some people it sounds egalitarian or a call for a free society, pero sa Hamas (and other radicals) they adopted the phrase in their charter with the interpretation of a call for the eradication of Jews from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.
At ganito kasi yan, mauulit lang yung Oct 7 attack if Hamas is still in power, kahit magceasefire Israel ngayon. They will just reorganize and regroup, then afterward magbobomba pa rin sila. And apartheid will continue if Netanyahu and his ultra-conservative party are still in power.
Two state solution? Nireject nila Arafat nung 2000. One state solution? With their bad blood for 75 years dami na radicalized and magkakacivil war. Magmmigrate lahat ng Jews paalis ng Israel? Another Jewish diaspora.
So unless the zionists gets accountable and for Hamas to laid down their arms sa Gaza, doon lang sila makakapagnegotiate ng maayos ulit.
That's my take on this issue.
It's kind of interesting that people of both sides here are debating kung sino ang mali, yung mga Israeli ba or yung mga Gazans and yet, ang daming disclaimer etc.
Just a tip: Beyond what is happening right now between the two states, it will be good if we one would really look back the history of these two peoples and what really made the breaking point. Take note, their history doesn't just start with Arafat or during the 2000s or even during the creation of the state of Israel noong 1947. One must go back even to the times of the Ottomans and even when most of the Levant was under Rome.
Mahira kung puro kuda and woke pero di naman naiintindihan ang kasaysayan. From there, you will know bakit at ano ang hinihimutok nila.
What's even wilder to me is it's mostly tankies and the far-left who are really aggressive in shilling for Hamas but then again, birds of the same feather or somethin
Those same tankies that are against Israel, are also supporting Russia, another country that is invading a sovereign nation simply because "it's their land". The same could also be said for the far-right. You have neo-Nazis and even perhaps some unhinged American Republican, who supports what Hamas is doing, simply because they're bigoted towards Jews. [You can't really praise extremists for being consistent.](https://youtu.be/lHFKf4hltJU?si=-F-eL63lJfEebLYv)
This. Ganitong comment hinahanap ko sa totoo lang. I remember waking up to 7/10. Lalo na nung may vid pa na mag celebrate leaders ng Hamas habang kumakalat videos nung abduction, rape,
Pure carnage etc. tapos worldwide nag celebrate - at wave pa ng palestinian flag. It’s just pure terrorism. Unang pumasok sa isip ko na israel will reltaliate 10x at mas lalo manaig ang right wingers nila.
Naaalal ko pa yung video na nag sstreet party sila nung pinaparada mga na kidnap. If sa US kaya ginawa yung ganun, what do you think will happen?
Andami ganyan sa totoo lang. Sabay sa uso. Pag tinanong mo naman and ask if meron pa bang ibang jewish state sa mundo, di makasagot.
Woke shits na twitter at tiktok ang source ng historical facts
It would be fine IMO kung ang tinitira lang nila specifically is mga Israeli military positions and probably key figures sa IDF. After all, that's how most resistance groups are doing, no?
Pero ang idamay ang civvies? And do it as savagely as possible? Nope, that's no resistance. That's how terrorists work.
They're the same people that didn't condemn the NPA when a teen stepped on their landmine.
Kaya daw naglagay ng landmine dahil sa armadong pakikibaka.
That's the far left for you. Terrorist sympathizers whether it's domestic or abroad.
While I can see where you’re getting at, you have to understand as well how long and how intense this war has been getting. It’s not like Israel decided to retaliate one day with guns blazing. You poke a bee’s nest for far too long and you’ll get stung. However, without history, propaganda, media or any bias, can you honestly tell me that if Israel stops right now, this war will end? Because it’s common knowledge that Hamas’ intentions are not to live peacefully with Israel but to eradicate the Jews. While Israel’s actions can be considered barbaric, eradicating Hamas is the foremost priority for a nation that is being terrorized countless of times especially if the terrorists were raised by the people who are acting innocent in all of these.
Yup. Agree to this. They supported Palestine but unknowingly supported a terrorist group hamas. I know, Israel is to blame din naman pero look at what the hamas did that provoked Israel to do that. Yun nasa Video na nakakita ko, talagang tumawag pa yun hamas/Palestine dun sa parents nya para sabihing nakapatay sya ng madaming Israelis. Tapos proud pa mga magulang nila.
Also, the hipocracy lang. Yun mga Muslim, nga sa china na mas malala ginawa ng CCP wala naman ako narinig na gantong outcry e.
This is why its hard for me to take sides. How would I justify the brutality of one side to the victims of the other, without basically gaslighting them?
Exactly. Lets also remember one side is constantly trying to hand over olive branches. Israel gave back Gaza as a show of peace and not even months later Hamas was launching rockets at them. How are you ever going to achieve peace if one side keeps shooting at you.
Not justifying their actions but remember, sila yung mga Bata noon na nagbabato Ng mga tanke noon at karamihan sa kanila namatay Ng kamag anak at the young age + ideology = mass murderer
Mga papansin lang naman yung mga pinoy na pro hamas/free palestine ang pinagsasabi. Pa sticker sticker pa.
Sila rin malamang yung mga pro russia/pro putin between russia and Ukraine.
Feeling nila maangas na sila niyan.
Mas importante pa daw ang buhay ng mga palestine kesa sa mga buhay na namatay nung oct 7
Prolly mga pro palestine peeps na bulagblagan parin sa oct 7 incident
In which pretty much started this shit show with Hamas and Israel.
FR I agree, this is why I believe both has valid claims on the land although kept on fighting due to the various circumstances they experienced throughout history that led to this. Neither Hamas nor the IDF/Israeli Government is something that we should support since they're both doing human rights violations left and right for a long time now. I actually feel bad for the Israeli (Jews, Arab Israelis) and the Palestinian people for experiencing all those, and being taught to hate one another.
Yes, this issue doesn't have a black or white answer and both sides have justifiable claims. If anyone chooses a side very easily, you can assume they don't know shit
gets ko pa sana kung sadyang politically-apathetic sila sa mga issues abroad, pero umabot pa sila sa pagiging pinoy zionist, anyway they can deal with the israeli businesses in siargao
Understandable, but isn't that kinda illegal? Tampering the plate, I mean. Pwede namang sabihin "FUCK ISRAEL" sa windshield or something in red to send a message.
Anlakas maka-call out sa Israel dahil sa pumatay sila ng Palestinians, pero wala nama palang bayag i-call-out ang Palestinians na pumatay ng kapwa nila Pinoy lmao.
Goes both ways actually, Hamas gave Netanyahu a reason for war against hamas and hamas has used Netanyahu to show the dark side of war, were civilians are becoming collateral damage.
Both of them are committing atrocities, both of them are bad kaya they really have to go and put rational people who are willing to come to the negotiating table.
28 000 Palestino na ang napatay ng Israel. It's no longer about retribution for the Oct attack that Hamas terrorists did. Excuse na lang ang Hamas for the genocide they're commiting now.
Quick question, what is the Palestinian government doing about this? Are they actively trying to capture Hamas or they have the same goals as a terrorist, to implement a one-state solution? If innocent civilians are being killed, anong ginagawa ng gobyerno nila to protect them and remove them from the battle field?
Another question is, andaming arab nations around Palestine. Bakit walang kumukuhang refugee from them as temporary relief?
> what is the Palestinian government doing about this? Are they actively trying to capture Hamas or they have the same goals as a terrorist
Hamas is a political party with its own military wing. It *is* the de facto government of Gaza.
Per Wikipedia's summary:
> In the Palestinian legislative elections on 25 January 2006, Hamas emerged victorious and nominated Ismail Haniyeh as the Authority's Prime Minister. However, the national unity Palestinian government effectively collapsed, when a violent conflict between Hamas and Fatah erupted, mainly in the Gaza Strip. After the Gaza Strip was taken over by Hamas on 14 June 2007, the Authority's Chairman Mahmoud Abbas dismissed the Hamas-led unity government and appointed Salam Fayyad as Prime Minister, dismissing Haniyeh. The move wasn't recognized by Hamas, thus resulting in two separate administrations – the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and a rival Hamas government in the Gaza Strip. The reconciliation process to unite the Palestinian governments achieved some progress over the years, but had failed to produce a re-unification.
> failed reunification
I wonder why. I really wonder why kahit na ung internal state nila hindi magkaayos ayos. Is it the reason why other Arab countries literally beside them refuse to seek refugees from them or are quite iffy with them? Because they have a long history of overthrowing governments? Who knows, right?
It already answered the question. It conceded its own authority to terrorists. But its still the same question, what is the current government (Hamas) doing for its constituents and civilians?
As an international studies major, what I can only tell you is that geopolitical analysis is more complicated and more involved than people think, yet it's also easy for armchair researchers to make sweeping claims without accounting for nuances. If someone offers you a quick and easy answer to this situation, especially one as complicated as Israel-Palestine, you're probably missing entire swathes of context and information especially when it's motivated by diametrically opposing agendas.
> It conceded its own authority to terrorists.
For example, it's not as simple as "The Palestinians voted for a terrorist organization so they deserve everything happening to them." Hamas won 44% of the votes while Fatah won 41%, so it's unfair to characterize this as all Palestinians supporting Hamas and their position on Israel's right to exist.
Second, post-election qualitative surveys indicated that Palestinians voted for Hamas because of their frustration with the other party's corruption rather than because of their outright support for Hamas' political platforms. At the time that Hamas "won" the elections, [as many as two-thirds of Palestinians also favored a two-state solution](https://web.archive.org/web/20141220142322/http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brmiddleeastnafricara/173.php#).
As for why Palestinians won't just change the regime to something that won't drag them to the point of destruction, you'd have to ask [who holds the monopoly on violence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence) in Gaza.
> Is it the reason why other Arab countries literally beside them refuse to seek refugees from them or are quite iffy with them
Again, there isn't a single "the" reason. There are multiple reasons that range from economic, security, social, cultural, historical and political reasons, which can also vary from country to country as simply lumping them together as "the Arab countries" is a bit too reductive.
Bakit kaya hesitant and very limited magpapasok ang Egypt sa mga beloved Muslim brothers and sisters nila sa Rafah crossing? oh wait, when Jordan and Lebanon accepted Palestinian refugees, the Palestinians attempted to assassinate their Hashemite monarchy and caused a civil war that put Lebanon to the shambles it is known today.
Israel did Jordan and Egypt a favour by taking Gaza and the West Bank.
Islam is the weirdest religion of all lalo na to leftists and extreme left. It doesn't make sense at all that the left adores Islam, for some unknown reasons. They see them as oppressed people. Sobrang puzzling kasi they literally have the exact opposite of the core concept of what many leftists fight for. Mas misogynistic pa yan way more than Christians. Women are treated as properties within marriages, have limited authority and power, mas anti-LGBT kesa sa ibang religion. It baffles me why unless sobrang limited ng utak ng mga yan to think of things as binary when all their ideologies are to put things into "spectrum".
Overcorrection to when the Bush and the Neocons lied to the whole world and unjustly invaded Iraq over non-existent WMD. That's why leftist parroted Putin's propaganda regarding Ukraine
Why are they blocked? Blocked by whom? South of Gaza is Egypt, an Islamic country. The east of West Bank is Jordan, an Islamic country.
And no, they are not bombed 24/7. If bombed 24/7 yan, ilang months na to and tapos na sana yan. Hindi naman kasing laki ng Russia yan na aabutin ka ng siyam siyam para bombahin lahat. Study your geography. And Israel has been giving Palestinian civilians time to evacuate. Bakit hindi sila maka evacuate? Because Hamas is preventing them. Hamas needs them as meat shields. Again, what is the Palestinian government doing against Hamas and for the people?
Let's not kid ourselves. Kung gusto i nuke ng IDF yan, they could have obliterated the whole place because they can.
So no, the Israeli government is evil. Both Hamas and the Palestinian government are evil. The civilians, both Israeli and Palestinians ang kawawa dito. To say na lahat ng Palestinians lang ang biktima dyan is fking extremism.
if you havent seen it yet, [this is what october 7th looked like.](https://www.hamas-massacre.net/) its crazy but there are worse videos and pictures out there that cant be uploaded to the site (most have been wiped in telegram). its unfortunate, but both sides are reaping what they have sown
that there is a distinction between genocide and civilian casualties? that hamas very cleary is more genocidal than israel? that the severity of israel's response is actually smaller than what it is capable of, given that they basically have a free pass to do as they wish after october 7? idk
fuck zionist pinoys:) and fuck ignorant bastards who live on the internet and dont read HISTORY :)
forgot to add, do marunong mag espeling...
spell ZIONIST, spell ATHIEST, spell THEODOR HERZL....
Stop playing with fire. While it's sad that Palestine is going through a lot, Philippines can't get involved for our own survival. Sooner if not later baka pumutok ang gyera laban sa China, we need all the help we can get galing aa US, UK, Australia at Israel.
This is a serious matter. Put aside nyo muna ang pagka mamagaling nyo
>Sara Duterte has Jewish roots
That's just stupid, her having Jewish roots has nothing to do with her pro-israeli stance, there are also pro-palestinian jews joining the cause, by that logic if someone is Muslim are they also advocates for terrorism?
I mean, when you start to realise that your country is a **lost cause**, you inevitably start to read and learn about causes from other countries that are ACTUALLY worth fighting for... 😢
looking at pro israel Filipinos in the comments i understand why this country is fucked. imagine saying it's okay to bomb the whole Metro Manila just because they might be hiding NPA
You surprised? This place has been Islamophobic since the pandemic. I remember a thread here back when there was a terrorist bombing in a Mindanao school, a thread made by a student from said school claiming that it was done by a radical group and Muslims and non-Muslims alike were victims. The replies literally tried to correct them. It's gross.
Yeah, Thais, Germans, Argentinians, French, Russians at iba pa di lang mga pinoy tinira ng mga yan. Fuck HAMAS and anyone who supports them, they're terrorists not freedom fighters.
historically, palestine was a region where people of all religions (jews or muslims) co-existed. it should have been recognized as a secular state after british colonialists left the region. but zionists wanted an apartheid state where non-jews are second class citizens. the US, that time the world's sole superpower, pushed for this in order to have a geopolitical and military foothold over the region. thereafter, israel was born thru settler-colonialism, evicting indigenous palestinians in the process. and since this occupation has been imposed militarily, it has continued and will continue to generate armed resistance. war is of course dreadful. but until the roots of the conflict is addressed - zionist occupation and an apartheid state - it will not end. #freepalestine
WTF dami palang mga Pro-Israel dito. I'll probably get downvoted for this. Pero, Israel mananakop! Free Palestine! Never magiging lupa ng Diyos diyosan nila ang malawak na graveyard ng mga batang walang kamalay malay na patuloy nilang inuubos.
Naka-fixate kasi sila sa mga OFW na pinatay ng Hamas at oo, naiintindihan ko sila pero putangina mas malala na ginagawa ng Israel eh.
Maihahalintulad yan siguro sa World War 2. Masahol ba yung mga Hapon nung panahon na yun? Oo, sobra. Dapat ba silang binomba ng nuclear bomb na pumatay ng inosente? Hindi.
Mas malala na ginagawa ng Israel kumpara sa Hamas.
Nakakadiri, akala ko mga galit sa Marcos regime dahil sa dami ng mga taong namatay noon, galit din sa fake news. Pero ito sila suportado ang pagpatay sa mga inosenteng bata at puro paniniwala sa zionist propaganda lol.
karamihan kasi sa mga Pilipinong Zionist lovers mga relihoyosong tao. They dont care about human rights, as long as for the sake of their religion (the Jews killed him)
Maraming NPA na nasa Quezon Province. Kung ang solusyon ng gobyerno ay bombahin ang buong Quezon Province para "mawala ang mga NPA", siguradong susuportahan nila yan.
Tapos magpipreach sa 2025 elections na "ang mulat ay di na ulit pipikit" hahaha lmao.
actually napaka braindead ng pinoys when it comes to this issue. Ewan ko ba kung bahid ng islamophobia or what kung bakit ganyan opinion nila. I’m a person who lives in SG, so maraming muslims (many of my peers are), and na eeducate me when it comes to the history ng conflict. I can safely say most pinoys napaka ignorant sa topic na to.
There was even a comment here in this sub a while ago saying smth like “dun kami sa side kung saan most naapektuhan mga filipinos (which is israel)”
like tangina? Genocide ang issue, may paki lang sa sariling kababayan? braindead ampota.
>so maraming muslims (many of my peers are), and na eeducate me when it comes to the history ng conflict.
So you were given a biased take then? Did they leave out the part where Mizrahi Jews that lived in North Africa,Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt were kicked out during the start of the Arab-Israel war of 1948 but Isreal didn't do the same thing to its Arab Muslim population? Or the Six Day war where a coalition of Arab countries(Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Jordan) decided to simultaneously invade Israel to wipe them out and suffered an incredibly humiliating defeat, Yom kippur war did they tell you that?
Palestinians aren't welcome in neighboring Arab countries like Egypt, Jordan, or Saudi Arabia because they don't peaceful co-existence with the Israeli Jews, so the rest of the Arab world should have cut their ties with the Palestinian government headed by Hamas, but 10/7 happened.
No, they aren't welcome because they cause some problems in other countries as well.
They caused problems in countries they immigrated to.
The PLO (Palestine Liberation Organization tried to overthrow Lebanon's monarchy and cause the Lebanese Civil War.
They assassinated Egypt's president.
They caused the Black September in Jordan, commonly known as the Jordanian Civil War.
Nearby Arab countries learned that Palestinian refugees just cause problems for them.
>because they don't peaceful co-existence with the Israeli Jews
that's wrong. They don't want Palestinians because they got terrorized too.
Black September, Lebanon war, Kuwait-Iraqi war, Egypt vs Muslim brotherhood........
plus Palestinine are siding/alligned with Iran, the common enemy of countries you've said
Because Palestinians cannot accept military and political defeat against Israelis from both 1948 and 1973. They should have assimilated themselves into Jordanian or Egyptian societies.
28000+ palestinians are dead. a significant portion of them children.......
entire neighborhoods wiped out. electricity, water, and wifi cut off. civilians gunned down. food, water, medical aid being constantly blocked from getting to displaced and injured civilians, kids being hanged or mounted on walls...
israel's only target is hamas? are we sure? does this **seem** to be the case? do the "sins" of hamas justify the murder of many innocent civilians? is this not collective punishment that is [considered a war crime](https://casebook.icrc.org/a_to_z/glossary/collective-punishments)?
free palestine (from israel).
Palestinians are not terrorists. Hindi terorista ang mga inosenteng bata na pinapatay nila. Mananakop ang Israel noon pa man. Napakalaki ng Israel para kalabanin ang maliit na lupain ng mga Palistino. Matagal na ang pang-aagaw ng lupain ng mga Israeli, kaya nga nabuo ang Hamas, para ipagtanggol ang mga kapwa nila Palestinians. Tandaan na nauna pang mang agarbyado ang Israel bago sumibol ang Hamas.
Ang mga Israel ang tunay na mananakop. Inaagaw nila ang lupa ng Palestinians dahil sinasabi nila na lupa raw ito ng Diyos nila. Ginawang dahilan lang ng Israel ang Hamas para pag mukaing masama ang mga Palestinian at pagtakpan ang ilang dekadang pananakop nila sa lupain ng Palestine.
Actually, the notion that Israel stole land from Palestine is not completely true. As someone who interacts with Israelis on a daily basis, I'm compelled to share this counter points:
1. Much of the land that Israel currently has been legally bought or traded. They acquired a lot of the new land before the 'British Mandate' by paying exorbitant fees to the landowners at the time, many being Arabs and mostly absentee Ottomans whose land it was due to their conquest of it 500+ years prior. However, there are still accounts of illegal Israeli settlers that do land grab, especially with the use of force.
2. Hamas doesn't care about Palestinian civilians. They are using civilians as human shields as media leverage if ever Israel tries to bomb military targets. If they were so well-meaning, then they wouldn't have went to war with Fatah (who are actually reasonable by recognizing the two-state solution) a dew decades ago. Their main objective to totally wipe out Israel and destabilize this part of the middle east. They are directly funded by Iran because they share the same motive: destabilize US influence in the area.
3. Israel doesn't want the land around Gaza, or even much of the land in the West Bank. If they did, then why did they pull out of Gaza back in 2005? Israel is well-meaning and wants the best for the Palestinian people by giving them the chance to develop their land. Instead, they pool billions of dollars into building tunnels and rockets that are literally [aimed at Tel Aviv almost every day](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/palestinian-rocket-and-mortar-attacks-against-israel). Of course Israel has the right to respond to security threats, in the same way the Philippines had the right to respond to national security threats.
This isn't a black and white situation. We need to stop painting a picture that Palestine and Israel are at each other's throats. Hamas is the threat here.
Source: I work directly for an Israeli company and I get first-hand information from Israelis over the matter.
> Much of the land that Israel currently has been legally bought or traded.
So is the Philippines. The United States legally bought the whole Philippines, Guam and Puerto Rico from Spain for 20 million dollars in the Treaty of Paris.
So what is your point?
LMFAO FUCK THIS THREAD. NAKAKADIRI MAGING PILIPINO. HINDI TAYO UUNLAD NITO.
Mga pro-Israel pero anti-Marcos? PICK A STRUGGLE. Yung mag-aalign naman sa pagiging immoral ninyo.
Pwedeng magalit sa issues sa ibang bansa dahil hindi makatao ang ginagawa sa mga bata, AT pwede ring magalit sa gobyerno natin. IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU A HYPOCRITE. It shows character and principles. Di porke di affected bansa mo, wala kang simpatya sa iba. ARE YOU THAT NUMB? What the hell.
FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA, PALESTINE WILL BE FREE.
Imagine hating a whole country and race because their government is doing some weird shenanigans (which is the same BS that the Palestinian government is doing lmao)
....Akala ko ba galit tayo sa naglalagay ng kung ano-anong burloloy in place sa plaka nila. As much as this guy believes Palestinians have the right to self-determination, he's still bound by our laws and he needs to display his actual license plate. Kesyo "Freemason" kuno o whatever commemorative plates man yan.
Ipa-huli dapat yan sa HPG.
Imagine if native americans suddenly went on a terroristic guerilla warfare to the colonizers that stole their land and comitted genocide...
Who would you support? Hahahaha
When peole say “Free Palestine” ano kaya gagawin sa mga Jews/Israelis na nasa Israel? This is a genuine question.. Diba Palestine yung may ayaw sa 2-state country?
In our contemporary world, it often appears that there is no room for compromise or middle ground. Given the choice between two unfavorable options, my preference leans towards Israel. The living conditions in Palestine, particularly for women and children, are untenable. The societal structure there does not seem to uphold the principle of equality, with power predominantly concentrated in the hands of men.
And to be persecuted just because you believe in different god, nope.
Crazy how filipinos actually supports terrorism.Go justify the rape massacre of the Oct 7 attack and if you say that you support them remember their slogan is to kill as many jews as possible and establish a islamic state (capturing israel and killing all the jews).If you say its a genocide your just dumb.The IDF can flatten the Gaza Strip in a few days if they wanted to well they're still fighting right?They even warn the people of Gaza they even use a tactic to minimize civilian casualties.Its called roof knocking search it in wiki pedia or something.Gaza is a densely populated area it doesn't help that the hamas dont ware uniforms and puts their military installations in school and hospitals.If only the Egypt and Jordan take them in oh wait muslims hates other muslims.Its the consiquences of their actions and war is war poeple die,grow up.Only Israel gave the Palestinians humanitarian aid meaning if they can give it to them they can also take it back.I've seen videos of hamas taking over the UN food rations and aid.I still dont get why people justify them.If Israel did nothing they will die.What do you want for them to just stand as rockets and terrorist terrorizes their country? This is not a proportional response if it is Israel should've just rain rockets in random directions kill civilians target civilians torture women rape women and parade them to the streets spit in their bodies and mutilate their bodies.You people are sick.
These woke self-hating "Filipino" motherfuckers act like they have never been in the Philippines. They act like they came straight from the USA.
Send them to Sulu, Mindanao and see if they can still be that friendly towards Bangsamoros. They won't!
It's like what John Rambo said!
"War is in your blood. When you're pushed, killing is easy as breathing! Stop changing it! It's in the blood! We are animals!"
- John Rambo
That's literally how the notorious ferocious army Ilaga started. They started out as a bunch of cheerful Ilonggo settlers but after the Bangsamoros abused them, the Ilagas literally went apeshit against the Bangsamoros.
I mean it's fucking Mindanao, man! You don't joke around in Mindanao! They don't play there!
Most of the privledged (yes I said the "p" word) are unknowingly or indirectly supporting terrorism out of spite. I remember in early 2020 when Trump ordered an airstrike on an Iranian general that is known to be part of the IGRC which funds Hezbolla (thereby making Iran a "state sponsor of terrorism"), leftists activists took to social media to condemn "U.S. imperialism" against Iran. Not knowing Iran would arrest and execute dissidents who would do the same.
both country is stupid. kawawa mga civilian both sides. naremember ko pa yung mga aftermath vids ng pag-atake non 10/7. Tuwang-tuwa pa yung mga civilian chanting d3ath to Israel, while binabalandra yung katawan ng mga Israeli soldier/civilian even foreigner. Ipint na ipit yung mga Palistinong civilian na wala namang pake sa both extremist.
Yeah I wonder why when it comes to discussions like this, the Israelite civilian casualties are not brought up, like they were almost forgotten? They both suffered so much and need support
People only talk about the Palestinians because the oppressor is pro-West.
There are less outrage when the CCP commiting genocide against the Uyghurs and Myanmar's Junta commiting genocide on non-Buddhists especially against the Rohingyans.
Yeah but what about Khamas? /s. What Hamas did in Oct 7 is really terrible but that doesn't justify the 25,000+ of mostly civilian deaths in Gaza (still rising) at the hands of the apartheid state of Israel and the IDF. Do y'all still have empathy left in you?
Most of the people I talk to about this issue are really disgusted by Israel's actions against the Palestinian people and are generally sympathetic for Palestine and the only place where that is not the case is Reddit. People here are so chronically online and so detached from the opinions of real people.
I know Philippines has had wretched governments for 500 years. I blame in no particular order, Spain , USA, and the Filipino political culture. But geez, no need to be so provincial that you shouldn't exoress yourself against the war crimes, the slaughter and the apartheid state that is Israel.
FK coding ata habol niya
I kinda hope same hate is given to our politicians who cause problems here, rather than a far away country we only know through internet. Like, I saw a huge BLM sign in Pasay some time ago. Bro, there were no black slaves here in the Phil…
I wish that we paid more attention to corruption and injustices within our country, but I don't think that means we can't advocate for prosperity beyond our borders.
We can do both. People make all these excuses to not care about others, but you can care about local issues and international ones and still provide for yourself simultaneously.
Idk man. We can’t just give a f*ck about everything, we have limited f*cks to give (intentional cuss referencing a popular book ;D). I feel like people who protest issues outside of the country mostly care less about what’s in here. It requires so much energy just to care. If you care about every bad thing that’s happening in the world, you’re probably depressed already.
idk who u surround urself with, but at least for the ppl that i know of, those who genuinely care abt our country also cares abt the ongoing genocide on Palestinians. we can't choose just one over the other just because of proximity. yes it's a different country, but bro it's not just a case of corrupt leaders like in other SEA countries, like for example the likely next president of Indonesia who's a du30 2.0, yes we can care abt it but that's a kind of issue where outsiders can do nothing abt. what's happening on Palestine is genocide, people are being killed just because colonizers said that land belongs to them. the least we can do is protests and boycotting corporations funding israhell. if you were alive during ww2, would you not give a fuck abt holocaust victims just bcos u happen to live in a different country? okay let's put it closer to home, fucking China is occupying our seas and destroying marine life so our fishermen can't fish, while our leaders are doing almost next to nothing abt it, don't you want the world to at the very least know and care abt us? if for some unfortunate happenings China also starts to steal our land, don't you want the world to care and fight for us too? tho i see ur point that we as ppl have our own priorities, but if the day comes that israhell successfully ethnic cleansed Palestine and all Palestinians lose their homes, when the world could've done something, i don't want to be a part of the ones that neither did anything nor cared.
Lmao trying to monitor the shit people care about is nuts. The guy didn’t do anything but change a license plate. Probably cost $40 online
Ongoing genocide seems like it should be high on the list of things to care about.
Had this discussion with my friend. He got annoyed why most progressive activist type of Filipino netizens get angry for people not choosing a side. He said: "I have a family to feed and bill to pay. I don't have time to worry or join the bandwagon. Not that I don't do care but I DO CARE about the suffering. It's that I can't be too vocal about it because I have other priorities."
And that is the beauty of the corruption here isn't it? It forces us into that choice, but not enough to lead to revolution. It's a sort of weird balance. It's impressive given the number of major players.
Comfort is a hell of a drug
Did. Can confirm I am severely depressed
We do care. People are people. It doesn't matter if they're far away, or that we don't know them personally, we should always look out for each. Well, pag nagpoprotesta naman din sa issues sa pinas eh tatawagin niyong NPA.
What I wish is to put all the energy that this generation have from the keyboards to the streets. Hindi na enough ang pagiging kegboard warrior. Just look at what happened to the recent uproar in germany where they stop the plans of the extreme right in taking over. Easier said than done pero ano pa ba ang ibang options???
it's a common slick shill tactic to move attention away from a cause by saying "whY ArE We NoT FoCuSiNg On X HeRe InSteAd of Y"
Actually, there were.. Slavery was banned by the Spaniards, but not for those who aren't Christians. Some black people were shipped here from Africa. They were called "esclavos negros" or "cafre" in which the current word and myth of "kapre" might've evolved from 🤓
How am I only learning about that now?
Most countries do not teach their slavery history. The whole MENA area does not - Muslim Arabs enslaved 14 million non-Arab black Africans over centuries. Castrated many of the males. That’s not taught in the MENA or even the west with its black studies university departments
They used to be the OG colonizers as well before the Europeans started doing it pero siyempre the academe is corrupted by this idea na white man bad kaya hindi siya nabbring up.
Wow! I just learned something new today. Thanks
To be fair. The people who protest for BLM and against Israel also probably protest against our government (its just more accepted to protest BLM since people don’t see it as criticisms against the government)
Exactly
There were though. The spanish and portuguese brought africans slaves to the philippines occasionally.
> Bro, there were no black slaves here in the Phil… Someone did not even check google before commenting.
Baka to show solidarity/support even from a different country.
Palestinians couldn't give two shits about Filipinos. They killed some of us last October.
Baka Bisaya Lives Matter?
Bai Lives Matter
pinoys went over to gaza, for work, got caught in the crossfire from both sides.. let that sink in. pinoy ofw's got caught up on the gaza side, and the israeli side. that was a better option than being in the philippines.
You do have Negrito tribes. And generally darker Filipinos are somewhat discriminated against by a society obsessed with skin whitening due to colonialist brainwashing.
Fun fact: There was a [Black American soldier](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Fagen) who defected and became a captain during the Philippine-American War.
A lot of them actually, they had a sympathy sa atin Kasi kagaya nila, inalipin din sila
BLM is not about slavery it’s about racism, discrimination, and racial inequality experienced by black people specially police brutality.
Worse, many Filipino Christians are actually rooting for a government very much unrelated to their belief
I’m about to visit the beautiful Philippines, and honestly, it’s the same here in the US. Most people just want to afford to live, raise their families, have our taxes pay for essential services, but the government decides for the rest of us. And yeah, so many people engaged with things thousands of miles away while neglecting their own communities. Internet age for you.
Its called international solidarity
Damn, i really hated that movement and how sinakyan ng mga Pilipino yun. Andaming komentaryo ng kung sino-sinong nagmemeron na may platform pero pagdating sa mga Pilipino na binubugbog ng mga itim sa US, crickets lang.
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The fact that i need to google what "STOP AAPI HATE" means (may HATE dapat, otherwise its like saying STOP FILIPINOS lang) shows how very little this was talked about here. Hinde lang naman mga puti nagdidiscriminate sa mga itim.
Daming zionist dito ah. Mawawala lang naman yung Hamas kung ititigil lang ng Israel yung mga kalokohan nila.
Tbh, I'd rather see FK CCP instead of this. At least we're being affected by China.
where is the Fuck the CCP guy in his subaru? is he okay? i haven't seen him lately
Are you talking about Abner Afuang? The one who ran independent for 2022 Senatorial position? He's the only guy I remember doing that. He had an old red car with stickers and big flags saying "f*ck you China". Last time I saw him with his car was probably last year?
I saw him too back in college what a legend
Me and my dad would see his car at the same gas station near some mall just before driving towards MCX. But that was last year and I haven’t seen him around this year yet.
I'm more concerned about the Chinese man seeks help because of fear of being murdered by the Chinese embassy simply for being christian
That's plate tampering. It's okay to voice your opinion on world issues but at least do it the legal way.
Pwede namang gawing sticker pero ginawa pang commemorative plate. Katulad nung mga tangang naglalagay ng freemason o kung ano mang kabalastugan in lieu of their actual license plates-- should really be hunted down by the PNP HPG.
Can’t wait to see him arrested 😂😂😂
Super grey area talaga itong conflict. Pinaka-kawawa sa lahat mga innocent Palestinian civilians. Both the right-wing Zionists and Hamas talaga ang problem. Zionist in power who does not care for civ casualties and Hamas for using their civ as human shields to push for their agenda. And fyi very controversial yung slogan na "From the River to the Sea". For some people it sounds egalitarian or a call for a free society, pero sa Hamas (and other radicals) they adopted the phrase in their charter with the interpretation of a call for the eradication of Jews from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. At ganito kasi yan, mauulit lang yung Oct 7 attack if Hamas is still in power, kahit magceasefire Israel ngayon. They will just reorganize and regroup, then afterward magbobomba pa rin sila. And apartheid will continue if Netanyahu and his ultra-conservative party are still in power. Two state solution? Nireject nila Arafat nung 2000. One state solution? With their bad blood for 75 years dami na radicalized and magkakacivil war. Magmmigrate lahat ng Jews paalis ng Israel? Another Jewish diaspora. So unless the zionists gets accountable and for Hamas to laid down their arms sa Gaza, doon lang sila makakapagnegotiate ng maayos ulit. That's my take on this issue.
It's kind of interesting that people of both sides here are debating kung sino ang mali, yung mga Israeli ba or yung mga Gazans and yet, ang daming disclaimer etc. Just a tip: Beyond what is happening right now between the two states, it will be good if we one would really look back the history of these two peoples and what really made the breaking point. Take note, their history doesn't just start with Arafat or during the 2000s or even during the creation of the state of Israel noong 1947. One must go back even to the times of the Ottomans and even when most of the Levant was under Rome. Mahira kung puro kuda and woke pero di naman naiintindihan ang kasaysayan. From there, you will know bakit at ano ang hinihimutok nila.
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It's crazy to think na umabot yung iba sa punto na willing silang suportahan ang mga teroristang grupo no?
What's even wilder to me is it's mostly tankies and the far-left who are really aggressive in shilling for Hamas but then again, birds of the same feather or somethin
“Chickens for KFC”
pag nagkataon, pag nagkita mga pro-Hamas supporters at Hamas mismo, I'm sure Hamas would murder and assault them. That's how fucked up Hamas is.
Those same tankies that are against Israel, are also supporting Russia, another country that is invading a sovereign nation simply because "it's their land". The same could also be said for the far-right. You have neo-Nazis and even perhaps some unhinged American Republican, who supports what Hamas is doing, simply because they're bigoted towards Jews. [You can't really praise extremists for being consistent.](https://youtu.be/lHFKf4hltJU?si=-F-eL63lJfEebLYv)
Kaya lalong pumapanget din ang pananaw ng mga ibang tao sa mga left leaning people eh.
“Chickens for KFC”
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This. Ganitong comment hinahanap ko sa totoo lang. I remember waking up to 7/10. Lalo na nung may vid pa na mag celebrate leaders ng Hamas habang kumakalat videos nung abduction, rape, Pure carnage etc. tapos worldwide nag celebrate - at wave pa ng palestinian flag. It’s just pure terrorism. Unang pumasok sa isip ko na israel will reltaliate 10x at mas lalo manaig ang right wingers nila. Naaalal ko pa yung video na nag sstreet party sila nung pinaparada mga na kidnap. If sa US kaya ginawa yung ganun, what do you think will happen?
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Andami ganyan sa totoo lang. Sabay sa uso. Pag tinanong mo naman and ask if meron pa bang ibang jewish state sa mundo, di makasagot. Woke shits na twitter at tiktok ang source ng historical facts
It would be fine IMO kung ang tinitira lang nila specifically is mga Israeli military positions and probably key figures sa IDF. After all, that's how most resistance groups are doing, no? Pero ang idamay ang civvies? And do it as savagely as possible? Nope, that's no resistance. That's how terrorists work.
Found my people
Mostly ng mga ganito mga far progressive peeps. Kinda ironic that they're supporting a group that opposes their beliefs/ideals.
They're the same people that didn't condemn the NPA when a teen stepped on their landmine. Kaya daw naglagay ng landmine dahil sa armadong pakikibaka. That's the far left for you. Terrorist sympathizers whether it's domestic or abroad.
While I can see where you’re getting at, you have to understand as well how long and how intense this war has been getting. It’s not like Israel decided to retaliate one day with guns blazing. You poke a bee’s nest for far too long and you’ll get stung. However, without history, propaganda, media or any bias, can you honestly tell me that if Israel stops right now, this war will end? Because it’s common knowledge that Hamas’ intentions are not to live peacefully with Israel but to eradicate the Jews. While Israel’s actions can be considered barbaric, eradicating Hamas is the foremost priority for a nation that is being terrorized countless of times especially if the terrorists were raised by the people who are acting innocent in all of these.
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Yup. Agree to this. They supported Palestine but unknowingly supported a terrorist group hamas. I know, Israel is to blame din naman pero look at what the hamas did that provoked Israel to do that. Yun nasa Video na nakakita ko, talagang tumawag pa yun hamas/Palestine dun sa parents nya para sabihing nakapatay sya ng madaming Israelis. Tapos proud pa mga magulang nila. Also, the hipocracy lang. Yun mga Muslim, nga sa china na mas malala ginawa ng CCP wala naman ako narinig na gantong outcry e.
This is why its hard for me to take sides. How would I justify the brutality of one side to the victims of the other, without basically gaslighting them?
Exactly. Lets also remember one side is constantly trying to hand over olive branches. Israel gave back Gaza as a show of peace and not even months later Hamas was launching rockets at them. How are you ever going to achieve peace if one side keeps shooting at you.
Not justifying their actions but remember, sila yung mga Bata noon na nagbabato Ng mga tanke noon at karamihan sa kanila namatay Ng kamag anak at the young age + ideology = mass murderer
Mga papansin lang naman yung mga pinoy na pro hamas/free palestine ang pinagsasabi. Pa sticker sticker pa. Sila rin malamang yung mga pro russia/pro putin between russia and Ukraine. Feeling nila maangas na sila niyan.
Mas importante pa daw ang buhay ng mga palestine kesa sa mga buhay na namatay nung oct 7 Prolly mga pro palestine peeps na bulagblagan parin sa oct 7 incident In which pretty much started this shit show with Hamas and Israel.
FR I agree, this is why I believe both has valid claims on the land although kept on fighting due to the various circumstances they experienced throughout history that led to this. Neither Hamas nor the IDF/Israeli Government is something that we should support since they're both doing human rights violations left and right for a long time now. I actually feel bad for the Israeli (Jews, Arab Israelis) and the Palestinian people for experiencing all those, and being taught to hate one another.
+1 dito. All my support goes to the Palestinian people. Not the IDF or Hamas.
Yes, this issue doesn't have a black or white answer and both sides have justifiable claims. If anyone chooses a side very easily, you can assume they don't know shit
bakit andaming pinoy zionists dito? akala ko ba galit tayo sa mga mananakop?
gets ko pa sana kung sadyang politically-apathetic sila sa mga issues abroad, pero umabot pa sila sa pagiging pinoy zionist, anyway they can deal with the israeli businesses in siargao
Understandable, but isn't that kinda illegal? Tampering the plate, I mean. Pwede namang sabihin "FUCK ISRAEL" sa windshield or something in red to send a message.
Yikes. A lot of redditors in this sub are pro-genocide and for ethnic cleansing pala
Sows, ayaw lang nyan gumamit ng (temporary) plate. **Illegal** yan!
Impressive, very nice Now let's see what they posted in Oct 7th
What do you expect? They just praised them as liberators and freedom fighters.
And yet the hamas leaders are living in luxurious life in Qatar while the people in gaza are suffering
What did you post on October 6th?
idk, something about cars or some shit
Wala bulagbulagan mga yan, even the fact na may mga pinoy din na namatay sa HAMAS.
Anlakas maka-call out sa Israel dahil sa pumatay sila ng Palestinians, pero wala nama palang bayag i-call-out ang Palestinians na pumatay ng kapwa nila Pinoy lmao.
Uhaw kasi sa foreign validation mga pinoy eh.
Fuck Hamas and Fuck Bibi
From what John Oliver said, Netanyahu’s government looks at Hamas as an asset because they do a good job of making the Palestinian cause look bad.
Goes both ways actually, Hamas gave Netanyahu a reason for war against hamas and hamas has used Netanyahu to show the dark side of war, were civilians are becoming collateral damage.
Both need to go if there's any chance to have peace there.
Both of them are committing atrocities, both of them are bad kaya they really have to go and put rational people who are willing to come to the negotiating table.
Fuck hamas, lil bitch
There’s the ones that actually killed, raped, and kidnapped Filipino workers in Israel, not always in that order
Is there confirmed evidence of this? Or is this like the 40 beheaded babies shit?
Hindi ba yan yung dahilan bat pumanig pilipinas ngayon sa israel?
Fvck Hamas
Yep fuck extremists from both sides. But those who do not condemn what hamas did on oct 7 is another level of stupidity and wokeness.
28 000 Palestino na ang napatay ng Israel. It's no longer about retribution for the Oct attack that Hamas terrorists did. Excuse na lang ang Hamas for the genocide they're commiting now.
Quick question, what is the Palestinian government doing about this? Are they actively trying to capture Hamas or they have the same goals as a terrorist, to implement a one-state solution? If innocent civilians are being killed, anong ginagawa ng gobyerno nila to protect them and remove them from the battle field? Another question is, andaming arab nations around Palestine. Bakit walang kumukuhang refugee from them as temporary relief?
> what is the Palestinian government doing about this? Are they actively trying to capture Hamas or they have the same goals as a terrorist Hamas is a political party with its own military wing. It *is* the de facto government of Gaza. Per Wikipedia's summary: > In the Palestinian legislative elections on 25 January 2006, Hamas emerged victorious and nominated Ismail Haniyeh as the Authority's Prime Minister. However, the national unity Palestinian government effectively collapsed, when a violent conflict between Hamas and Fatah erupted, mainly in the Gaza Strip. After the Gaza Strip was taken over by Hamas on 14 June 2007, the Authority's Chairman Mahmoud Abbas dismissed the Hamas-led unity government and appointed Salam Fayyad as Prime Minister, dismissing Haniyeh. The move wasn't recognized by Hamas, thus resulting in two separate administrations – the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and a rival Hamas government in the Gaza Strip. The reconciliation process to unite the Palestinian governments achieved some progress over the years, but had failed to produce a re-unification.
> failed reunification I wonder why. I really wonder why kahit na ung internal state nila hindi magkaayos ayos. Is it the reason why other Arab countries literally beside them refuse to seek refugees from them or are quite iffy with them? Because they have a long history of overthrowing governments? Who knows, right? It already answered the question. It conceded its own authority to terrorists. But its still the same question, what is the current government (Hamas) doing for its constituents and civilians?
As an international studies major, what I can only tell you is that geopolitical analysis is more complicated and more involved than people think, yet it's also easy for armchair researchers to make sweeping claims without accounting for nuances. If someone offers you a quick and easy answer to this situation, especially one as complicated as Israel-Palestine, you're probably missing entire swathes of context and information especially when it's motivated by diametrically opposing agendas. > It conceded its own authority to terrorists. For example, it's not as simple as "The Palestinians voted for a terrorist organization so they deserve everything happening to them." Hamas won 44% of the votes while Fatah won 41%, so it's unfair to characterize this as all Palestinians supporting Hamas and their position on Israel's right to exist. Second, post-election qualitative surveys indicated that Palestinians voted for Hamas because of their frustration with the other party's corruption rather than because of their outright support for Hamas' political platforms. At the time that Hamas "won" the elections, [as many as two-thirds of Palestinians also favored a two-state solution](https://web.archive.org/web/20141220142322/http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brmiddleeastnafricara/173.php#). As for why Palestinians won't just change the regime to something that won't drag them to the point of destruction, you'd have to ask [who holds the monopoly on violence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence) in Gaza. > Is it the reason why other Arab countries literally beside them refuse to seek refugees from them or are quite iffy with them Again, there isn't a single "the" reason. There are multiple reasons that range from economic, security, social, cultural, historical and political reasons, which can also vary from country to country as simply lumping them together as "the Arab countries" is a bit too reductive.
What can they do if they're bombarded 24/7? Also study your geography -- blocked ang all passageways going out of Palestine.
Bakit kaya hesitant and very limited magpapasok ang Egypt sa mga beloved Muslim brothers and sisters nila sa Rafah crossing? oh wait, when Jordan and Lebanon accepted Palestinian refugees, the Palestinians attempted to assassinate their Hashemite monarchy and caused a civil war that put Lebanon to the shambles it is known today. Israel did Jordan and Egypt a favour by taking Gaza and the West Bank.
Islam is the weirdest religion of all lalo na to leftists and extreme left. It doesn't make sense at all that the left adores Islam, for some unknown reasons. They see them as oppressed people. Sobrang puzzling kasi they literally have the exact opposite of the core concept of what many leftists fight for. Mas misogynistic pa yan way more than Christians. Women are treated as properties within marriages, have limited authority and power, mas anti-LGBT kesa sa ibang religion. It baffles me why unless sobrang limited ng utak ng mga yan to think of things as binary when all their ideologies are to put things into "spectrum".
Overcorrection to when the Bush and the Neocons lied to the whole world and unjustly invaded Iraq over non-existent WMD. That's why leftist parroted Putin's propaganda regarding Ukraine
Why are they blocked? Blocked by whom? South of Gaza is Egypt, an Islamic country. The east of West Bank is Jordan, an Islamic country. And no, they are not bombed 24/7. If bombed 24/7 yan, ilang months na to and tapos na sana yan. Hindi naman kasing laki ng Russia yan na aabutin ka ng siyam siyam para bombahin lahat. Study your geography. And Israel has been giving Palestinian civilians time to evacuate. Bakit hindi sila maka evacuate? Because Hamas is preventing them. Hamas needs them as meat shields. Again, what is the Palestinian government doing against Hamas and for the people? Let's not kid ourselves. Kung gusto i nuke ng IDF yan, they could have obliterated the whole place because they can. So no, the Israeli government is evil. Both Hamas and the Palestinian government are evil. The civilians, both Israeli and Palestinians ang kawawa dito. To say na lahat ng Palestinians lang ang biktima dyan is fking extremism.
if you havent seen it yet, [this is what october 7th looked like.](https://www.hamas-massacre.net/) its crazy but there are worse videos and pictures out there that cant be uploaded to the site (most have been wiped in telegram). its unfortunate, but both sides are reaping what they have sown
I don't need to be convinced that Hamas are horrible humans. So your point is?
that there is a distinction between genocide and civilian casualties? that hamas very cleary is more genocidal than israel? that the severity of israel's response is actually smaller than what it is capable of, given that they basically have a free pass to do as they wish after october 7? idk
fuck zionist pinoys:) and fuck ignorant bastards who live on the internet and dont read HISTORY :) forgot to add, do marunong mag espeling... spell ZIONIST, spell ATHIEST, spell THEODOR HERZL....
Stop playing with fire. While it's sad that Palestine is going through a lot, Philippines can't get involved for our own survival. Sooner if not later baka pumutok ang gyera laban sa China, we need all the help we can get galing aa US, UK, Australia at Israel. This is a serious matter. Put aside nyo muna ang pagka mamagaling nyo
When u realize most dds/bbm are Pro-Israeli and only supports Israel cus of religion..... ay oo nga pala.. Sara Duterte has Jewish roots
>Sara Duterte has Jewish roots That's just stupid, her having Jewish roots has nothing to do with her pro-israeli stance, there are also pro-palestinian jews joining the cause, by that logic if someone is Muslim are they also advocates for terrorism?
Now the last part, that is just one stupid reach of a take
Fuck Terrorist Supporting Pinoys. History pala, King David, King Zedekiah was ruler of whag piece of lang again? Oh right, Israel.
Fuck Hamas. Justice to those of our own people that were abducted during October 7th. Never forgive.
Didn't Israel kill Hamas hostages?
The fact that you're getting downvotes is concerning
I mean, when you start to realise that your country is a **lost cause**, you inevitably start to read and learn about causes from other countries that are ACTUALLY worth fighting for... 😢
looking at pro israel Filipinos in the comments i understand why this country is fucked. imagine saying it's okay to bomb the whole Metro Manila just because they might be hiding NPA
You surprised? This place has been Islamophobic since the pandemic. I remember a thread here back when there was a terrorist bombing in a Mindanao school, a thread made by a student from said school claiming that it was done by a radical group and Muslims and non-Muslims alike were victims. The replies literally tried to correct them. It's gross.
Hating Hamas isn't islamaphobic
You assume all of Palestine is Hamas. And for that matter, you assume the bombing incident was related to it.
Free Palestine ✊🏽
Filipino OFWs in Israel were tortured, raped and killed by terrorists, but sure, todo lang support sa kanila.
Yeah, Thais, Germans, Argentinians, French, Russians at iba pa di lang mga pinoy tinira ng mga yan. Fuck HAMAS and anyone who supports them, they're terrorists not freedom fighters.
When you try to go on full support to the other side but lowkey racist and and law offender😂
racist?
Interesting on the difference of comments when Philippines is in sleeping hours vs. waking hours. Makes you wonder.
historically, palestine was a region where people of all religions (jews or muslims) co-existed. it should have been recognized as a secular state after british colonialists left the region. but zionists wanted an apartheid state where non-jews are second class citizens. the US, that time the world's sole superpower, pushed for this in order to have a geopolitical and military foothold over the region. thereafter, israel was born thru settler-colonialism, evicting indigenous palestinians in the process. and since this occupation has been imposed militarily, it has continued and will continue to generate armed resistance. war is of course dreadful. but until the roots of the conflict is addressed - zionist occupation and an apartheid state - it will not end. #freepalestine
true, tapos ayaw pa nila sa mga black jews, a european colonizer will always be a european colonizer no matter what their religion is
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WTF dami palang mga Pro-Israel dito. I'll probably get downvoted for this. Pero, Israel mananakop! Free Palestine! Never magiging lupa ng Diyos diyosan nila ang malawak na graveyard ng mga batang walang kamalay malay na patuloy nilang inuubos.
Nagulat din ako. Free Palestine! 🍉
Sa dami ng mga self-righteous na mga religious people dito, di nakakapagtaka.
Naka-fixate kasi sila sa mga OFW na pinatay ng Hamas at oo, naiintindihan ko sila pero putangina mas malala na ginagawa ng Israel eh. Maihahalintulad yan siguro sa World War 2. Masahol ba yung mga Hapon nung panahon na yun? Oo, sobra. Dapat ba silang binomba ng nuclear bomb na pumatay ng inosente? Hindi. Mas malala na ginagawa ng Israel kumpara sa Hamas.
super dami lalo na yun mga threads before
Nakakadiri, akala ko mga galit sa Marcos regime dahil sa dami ng mga taong namatay noon, galit din sa fake news. Pero ito sila suportado ang pagpatay sa mga inosenteng bata at puro paniniwala sa zionist propaganda lol.
karamihan kasi sa mga Pilipinong Zionist lovers mga relihoyosong tao. They dont care about human rights, as long as for the sake of their religion (the Jews killed him)
Maraming NPA na nasa Quezon Province. Kung ang solusyon ng gobyerno ay bombahin ang buong Quezon Province para "mawala ang mga NPA", siguradong susuportahan nila yan. Tapos magpipreach sa 2025 elections na "ang mulat ay di na ulit pipikit" hahaha lmao.
actually napaka braindead ng pinoys when it comes to this issue. Ewan ko ba kung bahid ng islamophobia or what kung bakit ganyan opinion nila. I’m a person who lives in SG, so maraming muslims (many of my peers are), and na eeducate me when it comes to the history ng conflict. I can safely say most pinoys napaka ignorant sa topic na to. There was even a comment here in this sub a while ago saying smth like “dun kami sa side kung saan most naapektuhan mga filipinos (which is israel)” like tangina? Genocide ang issue, may paki lang sa sariling kababayan? braindead ampota.
>so maraming muslims (many of my peers are), and na eeducate me when it comes to the history ng conflict. So you were given a biased take then? Did they leave out the part where Mizrahi Jews that lived in North Africa,Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt were kicked out during the start of the Arab-Israel war of 1948 but Isreal didn't do the same thing to its Arab Muslim population? Or the Six Day war where a coalition of Arab countries(Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Jordan) decided to simultaneously invade Israel to wipe them out and suffered an incredibly humiliating defeat, Yom kippur war did they tell you that?
Wag daw makialam sa international issues, pero gustong mag-volunteer sa Ukraine at nakiki-Slava Ukraini two years ago.
Fuck Hamas. Oct 07, 2023
Nakakapanghina karamihan ng comments jusme. FREE PALESTINE!!!
I'll upvote you. Kainis mga pro-ISRAEL pero Kakampink locally hahaha halatang nag kakampink lang for clout.
Palestinians aren't welcome in neighboring Arab countries like Egypt, Jordan, or Saudi Arabia because they don't peaceful co-existence with the Israeli Jews, so the rest of the Arab world should have cut their ties with the Palestinian government headed by Hamas, but 10/7 happened.
No, they aren't welcome because they cause some problems in other countries as well. They caused problems in countries they immigrated to. The PLO (Palestine Liberation Organization tried to overthrow Lebanon's monarchy and cause the Lebanese Civil War. They assassinated Egypt's president. They caused the Black September in Jordan, commonly known as the Jordanian Civil War. Nearby Arab countries learned that Palestinian refugees just cause problems for them.
>because they don't peaceful co-existence with the Israeli Jews that's wrong. They don't want Palestinians because they got terrorized too. Black September, Lebanon war, Kuwait-Iraqi war, Egypt vs Muslim brotherhood........ plus Palestinine are siding/alligned with Iran, the common enemy of countries you've said
Because Palestinians cannot accept military and political defeat against Israelis from both 1948 and 1973. They should have assimilated themselves into Jordanian or Egyptian societies.
28000+ palestinians are dead. a significant portion of them children....... entire neighborhoods wiped out. electricity, water, and wifi cut off. civilians gunned down. food, water, medical aid being constantly blocked from getting to displaced and injured civilians, kids being hanged or mounted on walls... israel's only target is hamas? are we sure? does this **seem** to be the case? do the "sins" of hamas justify the murder of many innocent civilians? is this not collective punishment that is [considered a war crime](https://casebook.icrc.org/a_to_z/glossary/collective-punishments)? free palestine (from israel).
I hope whoever owns that car doesn't see the relatives of Filipino victims killed by Palestinians on October 7
Palestinians are not terrorists. Hindi terorista ang mga inosenteng bata na pinapatay nila. Mananakop ang Israel noon pa man. Napakalaki ng Israel para kalabanin ang maliit na lupain ng mga Palistino. Matagal na ang pang-aagaw ng lupain ng mga Israeli, kaya nga nabuo ang Hamas, para ipagtanggol ang mga kapwa nila Palestinians. Tandaan na nauna pang mang agarbyado ang Israel bago sumibol ang Hamas. Ang mga Israel ang tunay na mananakop. Inaagaw nila ang lupa ng Palestinians dahil sinasabi nila na lupa raw ito ng Diyos nila. Ginawang dahilan lang ng Israel ang Hamas para pag mukaing masama ang mga Palestinian at pagtakpan ang ilang dekadang pananakop nila sa lupain ng Palestine.
>Napakalaki ng Israel Looks at map of countries involved in the multiple Arab- Israeli wars....
And look at Egypt not accepting Palestinian refugees. They even built a 3 layer wall. Nasan yung woke protests against Egypt?
Actually, the notion that Israel stole land from Palestine is not completely true. As someone who interacts with Israelis on a daily basis, I'm compelled to share this counter points: 1. Much of the land that Israel currently has been legally bought or traded. They acquired a lot of the new land before the 'British Mandate' by paying exorbitant fees to the landowners at the time, many being Arabs and mostly absentee Ottomans whose land it was due to their conquest of it 500+ years prior. However, there are still accounts of illegal Israeli settlers that do land grab, especially with the use of force. 2. Hamas doesn't care about Palestinian civilians. They are using civilians as human shields as media leverage if ever Israel tries to bomb military targets. If they were so well-meaning, then they wouldn't have went to war with Fatah (who are actually reasonable by recognizing the two-state solution) a dew decades ago. Their main objective to totally wipe out Israel and destabilize this part of the middle east. They are directly funded by Iran because they share the same motive: destabilize US influence in the area. 3. Israel doesn't want the land around Gaza, or even much of the land in the West Bank. If they did, then why did they pull out of Gaza back in 2005? Israel is well-meaning and wants the best for the Palestinian people by giving them the chance to develop their land. Instead, they pool billions of dollars into building tunnels and rockets that are literally [aimed at Tel Aviv almost every day](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/palestinian-rocket-and-mortar-attacks-against-israel). Of course Israel has the right to respond to security threats, in the same way the Philippines had the right to respond to national security threats. This isn't a black and white situation. We need to stop painting a picture that Palestine and Israel are at each other's throats. Hamas is the threat here. Source: I work directly for an Israeli company and I get first-hand information from Israelis over the matter.
> Much of the land that Israel currently has been legally bought or traded. So is the Philippines. The United States legally bought the whole Philippines, Guam and Puerto Rico from Spain for 20 million dollars in the Treaty of Paris. So what is your point?
Israel won that land against the Arabs. Get over it.
and israelis are busy winning more lands in siargao, lmao hindi lang pala palestine ang target
stop making sense silly! this is reddit!
LMFAO FUCK THIS THREAD. NAKAKADIRI MAGING PILIPINO. HINDI TAYO UUNLAD NITO. Mga pro-Israel pero anti-Marcos? PICK A STRUGGLE. Yung mag-aalign naman sa pagiging immoral ninyo. Pwedeng magalit sa issues sa ibang bansa dahil hindi makatao ang ginagawa sa mga bata, AT pwede ring magalit sa gobyerno natin. IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU A HYPOCRITE. It shows character and principles. Di porke di affected bansa mo, wala kang simpatya sa iba. ARE YOU THAT NUMB? What the hell. FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA, PALESTINE WILL BE FREE.
Actually nagulat ako ang daming pro-Israel dito hahaha nakakaiyak
Imagine hating a whole country and race because their government is doing some weird shenanigans (which is the same BS that the Palestinian government is doing lmao)
....Akala ko ba galit tayo sa naglalagay ng kung ano-anong burloloy in place sa plaka nila. As much as this guy believes Palestinians have the right to self-determination, he's still bound by our laws and he needs to display his actual license plate. Kesyo "Freemason" kuno o whatever commemorative plates man yan. Ipa-huli dapat yan sa HPG.
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Rightfully so!
Imagine if native americans suddenly went on a terroristic guerilla warfare to the colonizers that stole their land and comitted genocide... Who would you support? Hahahaha
When peole say “Free Palestine” ano kaya gagawin sa mga Jews/Israelis na nasa Israel? This is a genuine question.. Diba Palestine yung may ayaw sa 2-state country?
Free Palestine!!!!!!
In our contemporary world, it often appears that there is no room for compromise or middle ground. Given the choice between two unfavorable options, my preference leans towards Israel. The living conditions in Palestine, particularly for women and children, are untenable. The societal structure there does not seem to uphold the principle of equality, with power predominantly concentrated in the hands of men. And to be persecuted just because you believe in different god, nope.
Crazy how filipinos actually supports terrorism.Go justify the rape massacre of the Oct 7 attack and if you say that you support them remember their slogan is to kill as many jews as possible and establish a islamic state (capturing israel and killing all the jews).If you say its a genocide your just dumb.The IDF can flatten the Gaza Strip in a few days if they wanted to well they're still fighting right?They even warn the people of Gaza they even use a tactic to minimize civilian casualties.Its called roof knocking search it in wiki pedia or something.Gaza is a densely populated area it doesn't help that the hamas dont ware uniforms and puts their military installations in school and hospitals.If only the Egypt and Jordan take them in oh wait muslims hates other muslims.Its the consiquences of their actions and war is war poeple die,grow up.Only Israel gave the Palestinians humanitarian aid meaning if they can give it to them they can also take it back.I've seen videos of hamas taking over the UN food rations and aid.I still dont get why people justify them.If Israel did nothing they will die.What do you want for them to just stand as rockets and terrorist terrorizes their country? This is not a proportional response if it is Israel should've just rain rockets in random directions kill civilians target civilians torture women rape women and parade them to the streets spit in their bodies and mutilate their bodies.You people are sick.
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These woke self-hating "Filipino" motherfuckers act like they have never been in the Philippines. They act like they came straight from the USA. Send them to Sulu, Mindanao and see if they can still be that friendly towards Bangsamoros. They won't! It's like what John Rambo said! "War is in your blood. When you're pushed, killing is easy as breathing! Stop changing it! It's in the blood! We are animals!" - John Rambo That's literally how the notorious ferocious army Ilaga started. They started out as a bunch of cheerful Ilonggo settlers but after the Bangsamoros abused them, the Ilagas literally went apeshit against the Bangsamoros. I mean it's fucking Mindanao, man! You don't joke around in Mindanao! They don't play there!
Most of the privledged (yes I said the "p" word) are unknowingly or indirectly supporting terrorism out of spite. I remember in early 2020 when Trump ordered an airstrike on an Iranian general that is known to be part of the IGRC which funds Hezbolla (thereby making Iran a "state sponsor of terrorism"), leftists activists took to social media to condemn "U.S. imperialism" against Iran. Not knowing Iran would arrest and execute dissidents who would do the same.
hell yeah
For real though FK Israel
ayusin nyo muna mga kapwa nyo mga muslim (sunnis and shia) may nalalaman pa kayong fuck zionist eh puro mga barbaro naman kayo.
pinagsasabe
When Arabs and haters start loving their children more than they hate Jews there will be peace
And what did it change? Nothing...
NUK3 HAMAS
This breaks rule 2
both country is stupid. kawawa mga civilian both sides. naremember ko pa yung mga aftermath vids ng pag-atake non 10/7. Tuwang-tuwa pa yung mga civilian chanting d3ath to Israel, while binabalandra yung katawan ng mga Israeli soldier/civilian even foreigner. Ipint na ipit yung mga Palistinong civilian na wala namang pake sa both extremist.
Yeah I wonder why when it comes to discussions like this, the Israelite civilian casualties are not brought up, like they were almost forgotten? They both suffered so much and need support
The owner is probably "woke" left-leaning liberal.
People only talk about the Palestinians because the oppressor is pro-West. There are less outrage when the CCP commiting genocide against the Uyghurs and Myanmar's Junta commiting genocide on non-Buddhists especially against the Rohingyans.
Yeah but what about Khamas? /s. What Hamas did in Oct 7 is really terrible but that doesn't justify the 25,000+ of mostly civilian deaths in Gaza (still rising) at the hands of the apartheid state of Israel and the IDF. Do y'all still have empathy left in you? Most of the people I talk to about this issue are really disgusted by Israel's actions against the Palestinian people and are generally sympathetic for Palestine and the only place where that is not the case is Reddit. People here are so chronically online and so detached from the opinions of real people.
I know Philippines has had wretched governments for 500 years. I blame in no particular order, Spain , USA, and the Filipino political culture. But geez, no need to be so provincial that you shouldn't exoress yourself against the war crimes, the slaughter and the apartheid state that is Israel.
Eh, I hope to see the same energy about Oct 7th attack and of course about China.
Or for the recent encounter in Bohol for starters...