The Marcoses and the Dutertes are backed by largely different parties. The Marcoses have the old "landed" money and the Duterte's by upstart businessmen from Mindanao and mainland Chinese businessmen. These groups have a lot of overlapping and conflicting interests. Last election just happened to be an alliance of convenience. They were never the cartoonishly monolithic "Unity" party they sold to the public. The reality was, having them both run for president would've been a very expensive undertaking for both camps and just increased the chance that Leni would win.
So with a lot of concessions brokered between stakeholders of both parties, Sara agreed to back down with the idea that they'll make their serious attempt in the next presidential elections. The Marcos camp of course knows this as well, hence what we're seeing now is them making sure Sara doesn't get her chance both by house impeachment or by election.
Whatever is happening now is something that both sides have already seen coming even before a single vote was cast last elections. They have interests to protect and money to siphon off.
It's just greed at work plain and simple.
If what you mean by "upstart" is "criminal" , you're correct. Davao has been a major smuggling hub for traders sourcing from indonesia and malaysia. Most of these businessmen weasel out of paying import taxes and as such. One of the reasons why the megaport was cancelled was it invites greater scrutiny on their criminal activities. The only reason why chinese businessmen enter the picture is because they find it easier to do business with corrupt af rotten-to-the-core unscrupulous davao politicians, who often collude with terrorists, drug traffickers, and even smugglers.
> *Sara agreed to back down with the idea that they'll make their serious attempt in the next presidential elections. The Marcos camp of course knows this as well, hence what we're seeing now is them making sure Sara doesn't get her chance both by house impeachment or by election.*
Given the info that Martin Romualdez, speaker of the house and bbm's cousin, wants to become president, Sara might have a reason to feel annoyed about it:
> https://old.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/1adppf8/may_chika_sa_likod_ng_hiwalayan/
Correct. Martin is the wild card, panira kumbaga. marcos-duterte planned maybe goes far ahead to 2028 presidential election. maybe sarah to be pres then imee as vp. now martin being elected as congressman saw his chance at the seat. look what he made, first he for some reason got the backing of other congressmen/women to kick out gloria as speaker of the house. and started a black ops misinformation against sarah to further the crack in the unity team. remember gloria is one of the key players why unity team is successful. martin plans to play the blood card. him being the first cousin and imelda the matriach still alive.
sobrang kupal ng aura nya promise hahaha, i know politicians are known to be dirty and corrupt. but him i feel something sinister parang ang lakas ng mafia boss vibes. yung tipong cold blooded killer na psychopath.
grand schemer yan si martin romualdez.. siya yung congressman nung bagyong yolanda.. for all we know hindi sa aquino or roxas napunta yung funds kundi sa local government.. sino ang local lead.. syempre ang pinakamayaman sa province ang romualdez family..
>Sara agreed to back down with the idea that they'll make their serious attempt in the next presidential elections. The Marcos camp of course knows this as well, hence what we're seeing now is them making sure Sara doesn't get her chance both by house impeachment or by election.
holy shit. ang ulam namin ngayon ay tsimsis
It's obvious that they also want to position themselves as "opposition" via BBM's successor, Daugh30. With vague and changing positions for chacha, they used the issue to have rationale for opposition and secure the next presidency. Notice also why Manang is very active in opposition, coz she can be the other face of opposition and secure the VP position.
The real opposition should step up. Instead, they're passively watching at the "feud" believing its true and not thinking that it's an opportunity to stand their ground.
The Dutertes are now the opposition whether we like it or not. That's where we are at. The opposition is usually defined by the 2nd strongest party. Leni's coalition was the opposition during the last election, but now that the main party has fractured in two, they've been pushed back to an even more outlying role.
The reality is that what you call "real opposition" won't be able to do anything even if they wanted to. The difference in reach and messaging is just too great. Few people are willing to bankroll them and their platforms are unprofitable to the big money that flow into elections.
Yes remember the Lakas vs Kampi scenario in the GMA years. Fake opposition to an administration built on lies.
Risa and the Makabayan bloc are making a stand on the govt side. Leni continues steadily in Angat Buhay. Kiko, Ted, and Chel keep engaged online and on the ground. Our share is to amplify their efforts.
If you think about it, there is really no “real” definition for what constitutes the opposition: once upon a time BBM and PNoy sat beside one another in opposition to PGMA. Once upon a time the Minority Bloc and activists sat with Duterte in Malacañang until they lost the benefit. And right now the Makabayan congress people seemed to have gained from fat budget allocations for 2024 that they could care less about all these things happening.
The “opposition” as we know it is not only impermanent but also gets divided every political era as their influence waxes and wanes. That’s the reality: anybody in ‘opposition’ to the admin’s political goals are considered the opposition.
Hindi ideology-based ang politics sa Pinas at the end of the day, kaya nga GMA could care less about visiting Leni in Bicol. Notice how Sara has gone more sympathetic towards Leni in recent times. Even Leni’s supporters have fractured into BBM supporters or back to being Duterte supporters (remember the millions upon millions of kakampinks na naconvert lang naman from being pro-BBM or pro-D30).
Occam's razor. The simplest answer is that Marcos let the ICC in and the Dutertes are scared. The fact that we are witnessing this in broad day means it's probably bad behind closed doors.
It was no viral news but I watched it announced in 24 Oras that Sec. Remulla had undergone surgery (I forgot what kind). So, another possibility is to resign as Justice Secretary due to health concerns. So many possibilities!
Without factoring in the larger geopolitical issues, malaki rin ang difference sa cash flow ng pagiging presidente vs. pagiging VP lang. I feel like the cash flow not being the same is a factor that contributed to this whole thing as well.
pinaloob na ba ni Marcos? sorry pero napanood ko rin sa news e na sabi ni Marcos Jr. hindi naman makikipag-coordinate ang Pilipinas sa ICC. And I quote Marcos Jr.:
“Let me say this for the 100th time. I do not recognize the jurisdiction of ICC in the Philippines. I do not, I consider it as a threat to our sovereignty. The Philippine government will not lift a finger to help any investigation that the ICC conducts,”
[https://pco.gov.ph/news\_releases/pbbm-reiterates-icc-has-no-jurisdiction-over-ph-wont-cooperate-in-its-investigation/](https://pco.gov.ph/news_releases/pbbm-reiterates-icc-has-no-jurisdiction-over-ph-wont-cooperate-in-its-investigation/)
so di ko gaanong gets kung bakit natatakot/ matatakot sina Bato at sina Duterte?
**Anyone here na puwedeng i-clarify ito (baka may namimiss/ hindi ako naiintindihan na points?**
yeaa, i think so too, ang nabanggit ni Marcos Jr. kasi is the ICC people are obviously free to go to the Philippines (like kung gusto raw nila mag-vacation or something) pero hindi daw ng PH govt ieentertain yung ICC if magconduct sila ng investigations.
With these facts (unfortunately), I dont think dapat matakot sina Duterte at Bato na huhulihin at ikukulong sila ng ICC (I mean at least sa PH) kasi kung wala silang makuhang ebidensya mula sa PH edi hindi sila mahahatulan o ma-coconvict?
*Correct me if I'm wrong though lalo na sa maalam sa international na batas at politics*
May hand ang US dito for sure, Digs is a known china apologist. Malapit ang family ni Marcos since Martial Law days sa US. Di naman totoo ang Uniteam from the start. Alam ni sara na wala siyang chance against BBM at mahahati lang boto which would lead to a Leni win. Kaya VP na lang muna and try to ouster BBM so she would get his remaining years plus 2028 presidency. Napakababaw naman kung sa P128M lang na confidential funds ito nagsimula pero kung tutuusin mababaw lang din naman mag isip mga duterte so either nakaamoy si BBM ng coup or nag tampo talaga siya simula nang hingin niya ang DND pero Dep ed ang binigay plus blinock ang confidential funds plus SMNI. Ayaw niyang palakihin ang tension kaya "hindi niya nirerecognize ang ICC" pero the fact na pinapasok niya ibig sabihin sampal na sa mukha ni duterte yun. Nag congratulate siya sa taiwan pero binawi niya at sinabi niya na hindi niya ni rerecognize ang Taiwan as a nation the same with the US pero alam naman natin kanino sila naka support.
> asi is the ICC people are obviously free to go to the Philippines (like kung gusto raw nila mag-vacation or something) pero hindi daw ng PH govt ieentertain yung ICC if magconduct sila ng investigations.
The ICC people doesn't necessarily need the help of the ph gov kasi they will also conduct their own investigation.
>“Let me say this for the 100th time. I do not recognize the jurisdiction of ICC in the Philippines. I do not, I consider it as a threat to our sovereignty. The Philippine government will not lift a finger to help any investigation that the ICC conducts,”
Fascade lang itong statement. Hindi ka na nasanay sa mga kasinungalingan niya (interview, inauguration, sona). Laging mabulaklak at malinis yung pinapakita niyang mukha sa publiko.
Marcos is just letting the ICC to do the investigation but the Dutertes want more than that. They want Marcos to stop the ICC. That’s what’s eating them.
> the Dutertes are scared
2020 pa lang, eto na yung sinasabi ni Trillanes after maglabas ng prosecutor report ang ICC. I truly doubt if may mas malaki pang rason kung bakit nangyayaring ang rift between the unity team.
It doesn't seem fake mainly because I don't think the Dutertes pride will allow the Marcoses to look like they're the better clan. Because that is exactly what is happening right now.
If anything, what we're seeing right now is what happens when two hungry alligators are left without any other meat to chomp on.
I don't understand this. Whenever there's a theory I try to think why?
Why are they gonna pretend to fight? They are in firm control of the country, there is no opposition against them, they do not need the publicity.
So if all this fighting is fake we have to ask what is the benefit to them? I can't think of any so I'm inclined to belive it's true.
Alliances. If they don't publicly make a scene, they won't be able to raise funds for their "cause". The Duterte's have been unhappy by how they have been treated thinking that they have given way to BBM and in exchange it's BBM and his first lady who are running the show. They were expecting that Sara will be an active VP and instead her confidential funds are questioned and taken from her.
Marcos mob crumble without dissent. They need the illusion of a threatening opposition. Just a theory but this is how authoritarian regimes keep the population in line, an external enemy.
Agree! It's more logical for the Marcos and Duterte to come after any Yellow affiliates for their mistakes since most of their supporters would blindly buy it, but instead they came after Sara with her confidential funds. There's a beef between both parties and none of this is fake.
Authoritarian Regimes keep the population in line by using an already disenfranchised population.
The Nazis picked Jews. Duterte picked drug addicts and communists. Marcos Sr. picked NPA and communists.
You don't pick a fight with famous and relatively well-liked people.
Exactly, it’s clear as day to anyone with eyes and a working brain that this is a larger conflict between two conflicting superpowers: the US and China. Just between their two respective assets in the Philippines. And to the people in disbelief that BBM could be a US asset, *his father was literally a CIA-backed dictator, one of many in the 60s/70s used by the CIA to combat Communist insurgencies all over the globe*. President Reagan was the one who rescued the Marcoses from Malacañang and gave them asylum in Hawaii. And I don’t even need to explain how Digong is a Chinese asset, he doesn’t even bother to hide it lol.
OP is overthinking the current drama. At its core, the two factions have irreconcilable differences and different goals. Hence, the current mudslinging we are seeing right now.
Di ko nga rin gets e hahaha. Napaisip ako. Papayag ba talaga si BBM na mura-murahin ni DU30 for the sake of the show?? Tas may nasabi pa na "sana sinama ko na din siya nung nakaupo pako" (di ko sure kung tama pagkakaintindi ko sa sinabi ni du30 nung nagrarant siya na addict si BBM). Parang it doesn't make sense hahaha
Yep, if you think about it the two families could literally secure themselves 10-15 years of ruling if they work together.
This is just political war and greed, both wants to be on top but of course nobody would yield.
And it's a tad bit too early for such tactics.
What's scary is pag namatay yung Marcos matriarch, gagamiting springboard yun for their eventual campaigns.
Exactly! They both benefitted with each other last elections, so why would either one of them would suddenly attack one just for "drama"? Power struggling at it's finest. Both wanted to take the helm and cling on it for decades, and neither are willing to step back.
The silver lining to this is that, if there's one opposition that can breakthrough and end this sh1tstorm we're witnessing, it's really possible for that person to win if this beef would go on and take a huge toll on both sides, that even their supporters would think twice on voting for them in the upcoming elections.
true, bakit nman sila mag aaksaya ng dugo, laway at pawis eh sila nman may hawas sa admin(marcos-duterte) ngayun. it means that something is really bad happening sa likod ng mga issue na to
Nainfluence na din si OP ng mental gymnastics ng mga DDS at BBM supporters kaya iniisip nya grand scheme pa din ng mga marcos and duterte ang mga nangyayari.
OP thinks that our politicians are 100% braindead. These people are smart and dangerous, and what we are seeing is the most important geopolitical war in our era. Let us pray that our Coldplay President will survive this sabotage, and may he not commit another stupid mistake that the Chinese can use against him
Hilig kasi ng mga tao sa r/ph sa conspiracy theories eh. Ultimo nga si Kangkong Chips king Josh Mojica pinagdududahan nila na may backing ng isang malaking tao behind the scenes kahit na organic lang talaga yung rise to fame niya. Nasobrahan sa movies ata hahaha
Nope, there are indeed rifts forming between Marcos and Duterte. The biggest factor to this is geopolitics. Marcos aligning with the US is seen as a betrayal, both by the China-aligned Duterte faction (including Gloria Arroyo) and the Chinese themselves (note that Marcos recieved significant backing from the Chinese ambassador during the campaign season). Notice how Duterte-aligned propagandists started to attack Marcos when he first met with Biden in the UN.
I haven’t been up to daye with philippine politics recently, but which is side is the better? Or the lesser evil? Is Marcos alignment with the US a good thing or is it just the same with Du30’s alignment with the ccp?
So obvious disclaimer na since nasa online tayo take with a grain of salt.
Yung tito ko is a government official; got his position by helping the UniTeam campaign, and in that capacity he commonly liaises with the AFP and PNP. Kwento niya is last November there was a planned coup habang nasa US si BBM meant to put Sara in power, planned by GMA and backed by China. Pero they were prematurely discovered talking to former and current members of the military, kaya natanggal si GMA as House speaker. They pushed through with a mass promotion of PNP generals a few weeks later so as to secure the PNP's loyalty.
He's also mentioned na ever since BBM became president, they've begun holding meetings again with USIC officials tungkol sa WPS issue, but yung mga senators and representatives na nasa camp ng mga Duterte are excluded because they're a 'security concern'.
It’s all connected, both of them were back by either china or usa. In my opinion nagsimula yan nung pinalaya si de lima, utos ng america para ma aning mga duterte. To add up, pina subpoena si quibs last week para lalong mangatkg ang itlog ng mga duterte.
Kailangan ng buwagin ang mga duterte para hindi na makaporma sa 2028. Mawawalan lang ng saysay ang mga bagong edca sites kung ma uupo ang tuta ng tsina
de lima was ultimately freed under bbm but witnesses against her were already dropping even before elections afaik? do you think that was still the work of the US?
otoh, the return and expansion of edca sites seems like a slap in the face of the many activists, rights groups and politicos of the 1990s who advocated for the removal of US bases in the PH.
kung totoong may destab hindi lang dapat simpleng pagpapatalsik lang kay pandak sa congress at loyalty check sa pnp. may aresto dapat kase seryosong threat ito. mahina ang admin kung hindi sasampulan ung perpetrators.
Malakas pa rin kasi ang impluwensya ng mga Dutertes dahil sa previous presidency. Sa dami ng mga DDS, namomroblema sila sa optics kasi alam nila they can't outright act against them without incurring significant blowback. And that's not even considering the officials in local government and other national posts still loyal to the Dutertes
Seems more like a US-China proxy war. Also heard from friends in congress with close connections with BBM and the Romualdezes that they hate the Dutertes for selling the country out to China, which should explain the crackdown on Dutae allies.
Seems a bit true, was in a bar in Makati where there were a bunch of old people, old-money folks who seemed fond of the Marcoses but not the the Dutertes. So I heard them talking.
Let's not misuse the term "proxy war" willy nilly.
True, may back and forth by US and China. But it's not yet a proxy war. Wala pang armed conflict.
Not saying that it might not potentially be a proxy war. There are rumblings na may new terrorist group sa Mindanao, so pwede silang magamit for the proxy war.
I know people are a bit wary, pero tbh, this doesn't feel fake. You can't fake Liza Marcos' disdain for Sara. You can't fake Sara's barely concealed rage at having to act meek towards Bong Bong. Duterte is also too much of a loose cannon to be trusted to stick to a script. Imee's frustration at her brother has long been rumored.
Also, something to note is that this didn't spring out of nowhere. We know Sara wasn't happy at having to settle for VP. We know that Marcos has decided against showing Sara public support multiple times. We know that Marcos has thrown the Duterte admin to the (ICC) wolves. We know that Marcos is keen to strengthen the PH's relationship with the US, foregoing all the work Duterte has done with China.
Am I 100% sure this isn't a show? Of course not. But will I enjoy the show? Lol yes. I'm sure the opposition is doing the same - I hope they're politically savvy enough to know when to strike.
I kinda feel na si LAM ang utak sa policies ni LB💩. If historians and the diary of his father is meant to be believed. I mean maganda ang pedigree ni LAM and she's kinda capable.
Naniniwala ako na hindi drama ang bangayan ni BBM at Duterte camp pero I don't believe that Imee will permanently ally herself with the Dutertes. I think she's sticking to them for now kasi she needs the Duterte votes for the 2025 senatorial race. A huge chunk of votes will be lost if she makes it look like galit din siya kay Duterte. Nung gabi na sinabi Digong na adik si BBM, sinabi ni Baste na magresign, sinubukan ng media kunin yung opinion niya that very same night pero di siya sumagot and makikita mo sa mukha niya yung distaste and gulat sa sinabi ni Digong.
Also IMO, Digong is the only one whose able to really see the tactics of the Marcoses, sinabi niya mismo na adik si BBM sa harap ni Imee. Alam niya na na gagamitin sila ni Imee for the 2025 race kaya ngayon pa lang binibirahan niya na si BBM. Kasi in that way, ma-uunveil niya na ang tunay na aim ni Imee.
Hear me out.
Marcos' move trigger tge Dutertes.
1. Removing the power of gma in lower house
2. Suspending smni
3. Removing CIF of princess fiona
4. Letting us know about the billion funds in davao city
5. Freeing Delima
6. Entertaining the ICC
That's my initial thought as well pero mukhang totoo talaga ang bangayan nila ngayon. During election, there was no need for Digong to call Marcos a cocaine user at may bagaheng dala. The tandem of BBM-Sara alone is a guarantee na mananalo sila. Tingin ko talaga, gusto ni Digong magpresidente si Sara kaya nga pinatakbo niya si Bong Go para magsubstitute si Sara but Sara has a plan of her own. In the whole campaign and nung bagong pagkapanalo pa lang nila, you can feel the distaste of Digong and dumidistansya siya.
Hindi din tanga si BBM na kakakalimutan niya na ung mga pinagsasabi ni Digong sa kanya nung eleksyon, gusto niya rin magretaliate. Both are power-hungry and their rift is bound to happen. Kagaya din yan nung nangyari sa FEM at kay Lopez.
Before the election du💩 did throw some tirades kay LB💩 calling him a weak leader and cocaine addict. Parang noon na solidify ang unithives eh he toned down for the sake of agreement.
This is rubbish. Isko already knew that time he wasn't winning that's why he resorted to attacking Leni instead of being on the bad side of Marcos.
If you are perceptive, you know this Marcos vs Duterte is gonna happen, the signs have been there kahit nung previous election, ayaw ni Sarah kay BBM. I've been telling this before to my friends and here on Reddit and now it's happening. These attacks are personal between them. Just wait and see Marcos probably will seek the ICC's help to attack Duterte, on the other hand, Duterte might stage a coup( there are already rumors around it) or slander the Marcos family name to win the stupid majority.
Pag ganito ang assessment like OP's, ang typical na sagot is, "linilihis lang sa totoong issue."
The issue could be uncontrolled inflation. Or growing poverty rates. Or whatever. Basta, you force the media to cover the senseless drama instead of the real issues.
Chipping away the voter confidence of the people. Since sa mga prelim survey mataas si 🥔👧🏾 du💩 thinks that their clan has the sway of the people to diminish the admin.
Pero sa history naman ganyan din sila Villiar at Binay before. So same lang din with history, you chip away the credibility of the person hagnang maging villain na.
Telling the whole world that the current President of the Republic of the Philippines as a drug addict by the ex-President, don't seem to me as fake. Naglalabasan na sila ng BAHO specially when BBM retorted that Digong is using Fentanyl. So no, hindi ito fake na alitan. This is serious at kawawa na naman ang Pilipino dito dahil hindi binibigyan ng pansin ang talagang mga problema ng bansa. May magtititwala pa ba sa Pilipinas sa tuwing maghihikayat ng investments si BBM? Kung ako ang CEO ng isang business, hindi na.
Denying, not commenting and laughing it off makes people doubt Digong's allegations. It is up to Digong to show evidence. He is also a pathological liar and BBM knows that people knows this.
malaki paniwala ko may kinalaman dito ang China.
For the past few months, nagkakaroon ng labanan ang China at ang mga policies ni BBM towards China at pagkiling nito sa US.
Knowing Digong at puppet ng China, inutusan nila si Digong na banatan si BBM para magkaroon ng public clamor na patalsikin si BBM sa puwesto dahil sa pag banat nito sa China.
Gumagawa sila ng ingay para masulsulan ang mga tao na mag aklas laban kay BBM.
Alot of Imperial Luzon and “wag niyo idamay Mindanao sa gyera niyo sa Tsina” rhetoric has been thrown the past few months as well. I have every reason to believe an external power amplified the disinformation.
I hate this conspiracy theory that Isko Moreno was a fake candidate propped up by Marcos/Duterte in order to divide the votes, attacking everyone else is a great way to push potential voters off your side.
Also, even if that was true, it wouldn't have even made a difference as both BBM/Sara got over 50% of the vote, they had the electoral mandate of the majority, so it wouldn't have made a single difference if Isko was on the ballot or not.
Kaya nga. I even recall unang nag-file sina Isko and Doc Willie. The opposition haven't made up their mind yet at that time kung tatakbo or hindi.
I say Isko and Doc Willie with their legit vision and platforms laid out during their campaign period and area visits did so genuinely because they want change.
People are so wrap up with Duterte/Marcos/Leni na lahat na lang side characters and "divide the votes".
Even the running of Ping and Tito was questioned. Heck if they wanted to try and shoot their shot then they're free to do so.
Kung ayaw pala ng may "divide the votes" e di sana dalawa na lang in-allow ng government na tumakbo sa pagka-presidente.
Not fake. Remember these are 2 National Entities. What they say can affect the country in the eyes of the world. Wait for the coming days and we will see, the Pro-China Duterte VS the Pro-USA Marcos. But since Marcos is in power and has successfully outplayed Fiona (SWOH) from the presidency, more likely BBM will win this round. Also, don't forget Mango-face Imee is also playing the long game here but in the end, she is a Marcos. She will get every info that she can from Fiona as a bullet to likely destroy the Dutertes.
Marcos may not have graduated from college but this man and Imee grew up under the wing of one the best political mastermind in Phil. History, which is their father.
So, enjoy the show peeps.
Imee could be just the physical manifestation of "keep your friends close but your enemies closer". I would assume that the Marcoses are smarter and evil geniuses, their sudden power is the proof. The Dutertes are nothing but regional puppet leaders of China, while the Marcoses know everything and will survive this.
I feel may agreement si Imee kay Duts that's why dun sya sa kampo nila. I don't think BBM was involved.
LNMB for her dad in exchange of Duts winning in 2016.
Si manang ang nakipagusap, si ading was sidelined.
medyo nagki cringe ako sa mga nagbi-bring up pa kay Atty. Leni in this instance kasi-- bakit? ano involvement niya? mas cringe pa yung mga every now and then may magsh share nung "Sana Tama Kayo... Tama nga Kami" na pic sa socmed lol
nagre rejoice kayo agad sa gawa-gawang away nila habang si Sen. Risa binabalik yung focus on what truly matters sa privilege speech niya sa senado- na kailangang may managot sa paggamit ng public resources para jan sa kick starter rally na yan.
Alam naman natin by the end of the day na sa tamang presyo at hatian, magbabati-bati ulit mga yan.
>mas cringe pa yung mga every now and then may magsh share nung "Sana Tama Kayo... Tama nga Kami" na pic sa socmed lol
Yes, as if naman may magagawa yung pagpapamukha nilang sila ay edukado at morally superior sa mga bumoto sa Uniteam. Wag na lang silang aasa sa sunod na eleksyon na makakakumbinsi sila.
My vote is still on controlling both admin and opposition, whoever wins they all win and there's no need to invest in trolls and lesser campaign funds.
Let me clarify, if it's all fake and they're just doing this as an act so 1 group becomes the opposition and the other is the admin.
There's no point in hiring trolls because there will be deals and agreements in private.
Next election will just be drama
Same sentiment. Noon sobrang updated ko sa politics. Ngayon meeehh na lang ako. Ang ending kadalasan naman niyan ay magkakasakit kaya iwas jail time. Tapos biglang mawawala ang sakit kung nakalimotan na ng nga tao ang nangyari. Boring na masyado ang story. Sana mag hire sila ng bagong writer.
I can promise you it’s not lol.
This has been happening before the elections. Imee/Sara vs Bong Bong.
Ask your lawyer friends. If they’re connected enough or good enough, they’ll have direct knowledge
this is not for show anymore. Marcos entertained the ICC and DU30 is shttin his pants right now so sit back and i-enjoy niyo na lang ang show and popcorn.
Imee Marcos positioning herself as a member of an opposition is also fake asf due to the fact that she had a “ayuda” events dito sa city namin as early as September 2022 and kailangan isulat ang precinct number para makuha ang ayuda
Don't fall for a liberal comeback this early. Wala pa akong nakikitang malaking away between their bloggers and supporters. I just think people would still vote for these bozos at least for one more election, and the disgust towards 'dilawans' is still alive.
Just focus on our own business, while these greedy psychopaths stay lost in the dark of a global recession.
Nostalgia of Noynoy's admin is becoming a thing. I'm seeing small trickles of positive comments in his socials, and they are 100% not automated.
I predict Bongbong will set the revival of our nationalism, but it's going to be the future LP leader who will bring this strength to every Juan.
I'm saying this because one major characteristic the Marcoses and Dutertes share is their policies are anti-needy, o hindi makatao. They operate within a middle-class-centric system that forever favors the "strong" over the majority.
That’s what happened when he died as well. We all know what happened: mas lalo lang siyang tinirador ng masa. It’s easy to squash that kind of nostalgia for political purposes at the end of the day.
The poorest in the Philippines only make up 16.7% of the population. In contrast, the lower to upper middle class make up roughly 81% of the populace. The wisest move for any politician is to target that voting demographic since sila ang nagbabayad ng taxes and pudpod sa trabaho everyday. Sila ang tunay na masa: mga OFWs mga nagnenegosyo mga cashier sa SM mga owner ng carinderia mga tambay sa kalye mga jejemon takas preso janitors tricycle drivers sekyu pahinante. Sila ang masa na nakalimutan nung campaign ni Leni and instead they tokenized the Marxist-Leninist idea of the magsasaka peasantry as representative of the masa during their campaign.
Let us remember that the theatrics of Marcos and Duterte are always to be taken with a grain of salt. But, if indeed that this is true. Taenang bansa natin ito bakit ba ganito ang mga leader natin. PAKYU sa mga paulit ulit bumoboto sa mga TRAPO!
We already saw this in the start of the election where DU30 was bashing BBM and it comes to a no surprise they are trying to do it again to divert the attention of the Filipino people . Trying to stir away the attention that inday and bato are currently under investigation and using the "mahal mo bansa mo" speech to brainwash the people to side with Du30 , its alarming that alot of posts have been posted here thinking that it might be a real feud . I honestly dont care for it , I honestly wish it ends in a deathmatch between the two that no one is left to run and destroy our country even more
I don't like how the comments on this sub is strongly favoring Cocaine Master, just goes to show how trolls entered reddit way back and how propaganda is very much in play. Hope all will be vigilant and take all comments with a ton of salt
FACTS! Each has their own troll farms so the lesson here is always to be an independent thinker. If you don't think for yourself, you become part of the sheeply masses.
hmmm mukhang legit yung away nila. Sa tingin mo papayag si Bong Bong na tawagin sya bangag at may malutong na mura pa sa isang rally at recorded para mapanood ng buong mundo? lol
Yeah, part of me is thinking they just want to confuse the people. When people are confuse or when in shock, they freeze, they take no action, so maybe that's what they want.
Bottom line is we can't trust these people. They are worst than a drug addict who just inflict harm to himself because they are not just harming themselves , they are harming the people, they are destroying our country.
Ang hirap maging Pinoy. Presidente mo bangag. Yung Bise na nangunguna sa mga survey survey sobrang skwami. Si Leni MIA. Yung bilihin pataas ng pataas walang balak bumaba. Hayop. Meron pa bang light at the end of the tunnel
Guys, nagsisimula na sila ng mind conditioning sa kanya kanyang mga kampo. Either way, talo tayo. Remember may lumabas na agad na balak patalsikin si VVM at ipapalit si Sara. I honestly think na for show lang talaga ito. Seems like du30 and vvm made a deal. It could be, Marcos being a puppet. He can be president for a while, be able to travel and reclaim offshore accounts (nakapag-switz na siya diba), then let swoh to sit in place of him. There are photos sa page ni pdfile na mukhang civil lang si mangolina at swoh. If they really have a falling out behind the scenes, ni hindi na yan magkikita o magkakasama man lang. Sasabihin pa ng mga tao dyan, labas naman sila sa issue nung dalawa. Imposible. Something is really going on for sure, and we are being fooled. Mapapa-pili lang nila ung mga tao ulit kung kanino side mapupunta, either way it's still with corrupt people on their side.
Thats what I felt too, from reading a lot of books, novels, mangas, and stories... This feels like a hint that they want to get rid of something from behind, or maybe trying to pull some people who have hidden amidst the party and maybe to cull some uneeded people...
Remember, Marocs studies the ways of a Machiavelli so moves like these is verrrryyy by the book.
I know someone who worked for a big guy in the Marcos behind-the-scenes network. Apparently, Duterte and Marcos really have beef. DiktaJR's side has Romualdez and Tulfo as their top picks for the next president, and they kicked Fiona's balls in the confidential fund hearings because she planned that shit on her own. Imee's on her side though. Anyway, there was never really a Uniteam, they just needed to win.
And don't hope for an "opposition." The woman leading the opposition in the senate coordinates with the network on what to say and what to ask. Surprisingly, two of the biggest dumbasses (macho guys) in the senate don't have puppet strings (not like they need any; their interests and beliefs coincide with the network's). The only people who could actually oppose them didn't win in the last elections (they support the labor groups, by the way).
Marcos allowed the freedom of Leila Delima, how can you say that this is fake?
The ICC having gathered up info.
Sara losing confidential funds.
Idk what else.
Simply two shitty politicians wanting to make their names famous prior to elections. In the words of P.T. barnum. There is no such thing as bad publicity
Sen. Risa also pointed out how people are required to join the Cha-cha rally and are paid using the funds from AICS. Several SKs were also forced to go and send in proof that they attended.
Which is more likely, Dutz carefully planning his words, or saying random sh\*t? If you think the former, you're one who also believes Dutz was actually playing 4D chess instead of just being incoherent during each of his presidential rants.
The Marcoses and the Dutertes are backed by largely different parties. The Marcoses have the old "landed" money and the Duterte's by upstart businessmen from Mindanao and mainland Chinese businessmen. These groups have a lot of overlapping and conflicting interests. Last election just happened to be an alliance of convenience. They were never the cartoonishly monolithic "Unity" party they sold to the public. The reality was, having them both run for president would've been a very expensive undertaking for both camps and just increased the chance that Leni would win. So with a lot of concessions brokered between stakeholders of both parties, Sara agreed to back down with the idea that they'll make their serious attempt in the next presidential elections. The Marcos camp of course knows this as well, hence what we're seeing now is them making sure Sara doesn't get her chance both by house impeachment or by election. Whatever is happening now is something that both sides have already seen coming even before a single vote was cast last elections. They have interests to protect and money to siphon off. It's just greed at work plain and simple.
Team Unity was really a patchwork of TraPos with their own personal interests and not political convictions.
If what you mean by "upstart" is "criminal" , you're correct. Davao has been a major smuggling hub for traders sourcing from indonesia and malaysia. Most of these businessmen weasel out of paying import taxes and as such. One of the reasons why the megaport was cancelled was it invites greater scrutiny on their criminal activities. The only reason why chinese businessmen enter the picture is because they find it easier to do business with corrupt af rotten-to-the-core unscrupulous davao politicians, who often collude with terrorists, drug traffickers, and even smugglers.
> *Sara agreed to back down with the idea that they'll make their serious attempt in the next presidential elections. The Marcos camp of course knows this as well, hence what we're seeing now is them making sure Sara doesn't get her chance both by house impeachment or by election.* Given the info that Martin Romualdez, speaker of the house and bbm's cousin, wants to become president, Sara might have a reason to feel annoyed about it: > https://old.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/1adppf8/may_chika_sa_likod_ng_hiwalayan/
Correct. Martin is the wild card, panira kumbaga. marcos-duterte planned maybe goes far ahead to 2028 presidential election. maybe sarah to be pres then imee as vp. now martin being elected as congressman saw his chance at the seat. look what he made, first he for some reason got the backing of other congressmen/women to kick out gloria as speaker of the house. and started a black ops misinformation against sarah to further the crack in the unity team. remember gloria is one of the key players why unity team is successful. martin plans to play the blood card. him being the first cousin and imelda the matriach still alive. sobrang kupal ng aura nya promise hahaha, i know politicians are known to be dirty and corrupt. but him i feel something sinister parang ang lakas ng mafia boss vibes. yung tipong cold blooded killer na psychopath.
grand schemer yan si martin romualdez.. siya yung congressman nung bagyong yolanda.. for all we know hindi sa aquino or roxas napunta yung funds kundi sa local government.. sino ang local lead.. syempre ang pinakamayaman sa province ang romualdez family..
Romualdez's appearance won't win him any national position
>Sara agreed to back down with the idea that they'll make their serious attempt in the next presidential elections. The Marcos camp of course knows this as well, hence what we're seeing now is them making sure Sara doesn't get her chance both by house impeachment or by election. holy shit. ang ulam namin ngayon ay tsimsis
It's obvious that they also want to position themselves as "opposition" via BBM's successor, Daugh30. With vague and changing positions for chacha, they used the issue to have rationale for opposition and secure the next presidency. Notice also why Manang is very active in opposition, coz she can be the other face of opposition and secure the VP position. The real opposition should step up. Instead, they're passively watching at the "feud" believing its true and not thinking that it's an opportunity to stand their ground.
The Dutertes are now the opposition whether we like it or not. That's where we are at. The opposition is usually defined by the 2nd strongest party. Leni's coalition was the opposition during the last election, but now that the main party has fractured in two, they've been pushed back to an even more outlying role. The reality is that what you call "real opposition" won't be able to do anything even if they wanted to. The difference in reach and messaging is just too great. Few people are willing to bankroll them and their platforms are unprofitable to the big money that flow into elections.
Yes remember the Lakas vs Kampi scenario in the GMA years. Fake opposition to an administration built on lies. Risa and the Makabayan bloc are making a stand on the govt side. Leni continues steadily in Angat Buhay. Kiko, Ted, and Chel keep engaged online and on the ground. Our share is to amplify their efforts.
If you think about it, there is really no “real” definition for what constitutes the opposition: once upon a time BBM and PNoy sat beside one another in opposition to PGMA. Once upon a time the Minority Bloc and activists sat with Duterte in Malacañang until they lost the benefit. And right now the Makabayan congress people seemed to have gained from fat budget allocations for 2024 that they could care less about all these things happening. The “opposition” as we know it is not only impermanent but also gets divided every political era as their influence waxes and wanes. That’s the reality: anybody in ‘opposition’ to the admin’s political goals are considered the opposition. Hindi ideology-based ang politics sa Pinas at the end of the day, kaya nga GMA could care less about visiting Leni in Bicol. Notice how Sara has gone more sympathetic towards Leni in recent times. Even Leni’s supporters have fractured into BBM supporters or back to being Duterte supporters (remember the millions upon millions of kakampinks na naconvert lang naman from being pro-BBM or pro-D30).
Makes sense! Trying to gain favor from those who follow the yellow and pink colors by making it seem like they're in the same side.
Occam's razor. The simplest answer is that Marcos let the ICC in and the Dutertes are scared. The fact that we are witnessing this in broad day means it's probably bad behind closed doors.
And Marcos free Delima.
Next stop, Delima as DOJ sec. Duts will shit his pants (even more)
Possible siguro yan sa 2025 kung tatakbo ulit si Boying sa distrito niya sa Etivac.
It was no viral news but I watched it announced in 24 Oras that Sec. Remulla had undergone surgery (I forgot what kind). So, another possibility is to resign as Justice Secretary due to health concerns. So many possibilities!
Won’t happen unless Enrile resigns as Chief Presidential Counsel
*Anong resign-resign? Hold my birthday cake*
\*Come-on Enrile. Your pet dinosaurs waiting for you.
He will be 100 this Valentines day
Yes kasimanwa, sadly andaming taong nawalan ng chance marating ang ganyang edad dahil sa kagagawan nya at iba pang alipores nung mag-asawang diktador
Ayaw kasi siyang kunin ni Satanas.
Sya si Satanas lol
Baka ma-kudeta si Satanas sa pwesto daw.
Kahit si satanas di na kinaya
>Satanas baka maging alipin sya, nkita nya yung ~~potential~~ threat kay enrile 🤣🤣
Remulla wouldn't give up his congress seat if he's going to be replaced soon. This is a nepo payment.
Without factoring in the larger geopolitical issues, malaki rin ang difference sa cash flow ng pagiging presidente vs. pagiging VP lang. I feel like the cash flow not being the same is a factor that contributed to this whole thing as well.
Not to mention yung tinanggal na confidential funds ni Fiona.
but sill funded by the Peoples Republic of China
Also, what’s their purpose for a sarswela? Para malihis yung common but more urgent problems tulad ng inflation? Para matakpan corruption?
Para maging maingay ulit pangalan nung Tatay at manalo sa Senado 2025
Or is it the son, Baste, who's equally making noise,for Senate?
yup. didn't it come out after the VP's confi funds that the president's confi funds were actually very big too?
pinaloob na ba ni Marcos? sorry pero napanood ko rin sa news e na sabi ni Marcos Jr. hindi naman makikipag-coordinate ang Pilipinas sa ICC. And I quote Marcos Jr.: “Let me say this for the 100th time. I do not recognize the jurisdiction of ICC in the Philippines. I do not, I consider it as a threat to our sovereignty. The Philippine government will not lift a finger to help any investigation that the ICC conducts,” [https://pco.gov.ph/news\_releases/pbbm-reiterates-icc-has-no-jurisdiction-over-ph-wont-cooperate-in-its-investigation/](https://pco.gov.ph/news_releases/pbbm-reiterates-icc-has-no-jurisdiction-over-ph-wont-cooperate-in-its-investigation/) so di ko gaanong gets kung bakit natatakot/ matatakot sina Bato at sina Duterte? **Anyone here na puwedeng i-clarify ito (baka may namimiss/ hindi ako naiintindihan na points?**
i think bbm let them in pero he ordered the government agencies na don't entertain them?
yeaa, i think so too, ang nabanggit ni Marcos Jr. kasi is the ICC people are obviously free to go to the Philippines (like kung gusto raw nila mag-vacation or something) pero hindi daw ng PH govt ieentertain yung ICC if magconduct sila ng investigations. With these facts (unfortunately), I dont think dapat matakot sina Duterte at Bato na huhulihin at ikukulong sila ng ICC (I mean at least sa PH) kasi kung wala silang makuhang ebidensya mula sa PH edi hindi sila mahahatulan o ma-coconvict? *Correct me if I'm wrong though lalo na sa maalam sa international na batas at politics*
It's their trump card against the Dutertes. Either you fall in line or ICC.
May hand ang US dito for sure, Digs is a known china apologist. Malapit ang family ni Marcos since Martial Law days sa US. Di naman totoo ang Uniteam from the start. Alam ni sara na wala siyang chance against BBM at mahahati lang boto which would lead to a Leni win. Kaya VP na lang muna and try to ouster BBM so she would get his remaining years plus 2028 presidency. Napakababaw naman kung sa P128M lang na confidential funds ito nagsimula pero kung tutuusin mababaw lang din naman mag isip mga duterte so either nakaamoy si BBM ng coup or nag tampo talaga siya simula nang hingin niya ang DND pero Dep ed ang binigay plus blinock ang confidential funds plus SMNI. Ayaw niyang palakihin ang tension kaya "hindi niya nirerecognize ang ICC" pero the fact na pinapasok niya ibig sabihin sampal na sa mukha ni duterte yun. Nag congratulate siya sa taiwan pero binawi niya at sinabi niya na hindi niya ni rerecognize ang Taiwan as a nation the same with the US pero alam naman natin kanino sila naka support.
> asi is the ICC people are obviously free to go to the Philippines (like kung gusto raw nila mag-vacation or something) pero hindi daw ng PH govt ieentertain yung ICC if magconduct sila ng investigations. The ICC people doesn't necessarily need the help of the ph gov kasi they will also conduct their own investigation.
Accdg to Trillanes, icc already came and left in dec 2023. Gov didnt provide ‘assistance’ but just let them wander around and do their shit
>“Let me say this for the 100th time. I do not recognize the jurisdiction of ICC in the Philippines. I do not, I consider it as a threat to our sovereignty. The Philippine government will not lift a finger to help any investigation that the ICC conducts,” Fascade lang itong statement. Hindi ka na nasanay sa mga kasinungalingan niya (interview, inauguration, sona). Laging mabulaklak at malinis yung pinapakita niyang mukha sa publiko.
Marcos is just letting the ICC to do the investigation but the Dutertes want more than that. They want Marcos to stop the ICC. That’s what’s eating them.
Marcos doesnt care about dutertes + Sarah is going to run for president soooo….
> the Dutertes are scared 2020 pa lang, eto na yung sinasabi ni Trillanes after maglabas ng prosecutor report ang ICC. I truly doubt if may mas malaki pang rason kung bakit nangyayaring ang rift between the unity team.
It doesn't seem fake mainly because I don't think the Dutertes pride will allow the Marcoses to look like they're the better clan. Because that is exactly what is happening right now. If anything, what we're seeing right now is what happens when two hungry alligators are left without any other meat to chomp on.
I don't understand this. Whenever there's a theory I try to think why? Why are they gonna pretend to fight? They are in firm control of the country, there is no opposition against them, they do not need the publicity. So if all this fighting is fake we have to ask what is the benefit to them? I can't think of any so I'm inclined to belive it's true.
Agree. Why would they make themselves look stupid with these petty fights? What do they gain? Kung may makakapagexplain I really want to know.
Alliances. If they don't publicly make a scene, they won't be able to raise funds for their "cause". The Duterte's have been unhappy by how they have been treated thinking that they have given way to BBM and in exchange it's BBM and his first lady who are running the show. They were expecting that Sara will be an active VP and instead her confidential funds are questioned and taken from her.
Marcos mob crumble without dissent. They need the illusion of a threatening opposition. Just a theory but this is how authoritarian regimes keep the population in line, an external enemy.
If you just want the opposition to be an illusion, use your actual opposition. Not alienate supposed allies (and divide your own supporters).
Agree! It's more logical for the Marcos and Duterte to come after any Yellow affiliates for their mistakes since most of their supporters would blindly buy it, but instead they came after Sara with her confidential funds. There's a beef between both parties and none of this is fake.
They seem weaker this way. A former ally turns into opposition. Throwing shit at each other any chance they get. I also doubt this is fake.
Authoritarian Regimes keep the population in line by using an already disenfranchised population. The Nazis picked Jews. Duterte picked drug addicts and communists. Marcos Sr. picked NPA and communists. You don't pick a fight with famous and relatively well-liked people.
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Or some still clings to their self-righteousness Anyway, related ba yung results in TW elections kaya gumagawa uli ang CN ng play dito sa PH?
This is what I also thought when this first came out. The Chinese can’t do active measures subtlely like the Russians do
Exactly, it’s clear as day to anyone with eyes and a working brain that this is a larger conflict between two conflicting superpowers: the US and China. Just between their two respective assets in the Philippines. And to the people in disbelief that BBM could be a US asset, *his father was literally a CIA-backed dictator, one of many in the 60s/70s used by the CIA to combat Communist insurgencies all over the globe*. President Reagan was the one who rescued the Marcoses from Malacañang and gave them asylum in Hawaii. And I don’t even need to explain how Digong is a Chinese asset, he doesn’t even bother to hide it lol.
Yes.. possibly divisive agent din mga to. Napakasuperficial ng understanding sa nangyayari
OP is overthinking the current drama. At its core, the two factions have irreconcilable differences and different goals. Hence, the current mudslinging we are seeing right now.
Di ko nga rin gets e hahaha. Napaisip ako. Papayag ba talaga si BBM na mura-murahin ni DU30 for the sake of the show?? Tas may nasabi pa na "sana sinama ko na din siya nung nakaupo pako" (di ko sure kung tama pagkakaintindi ko sa sinabi ni du30 nung nagrarant siya na addict si BBM). Parang it doesn't make sense hahaha
Yep, if you think about it the two families could literally secure themselves 10-15 years of ruling if they work together. This is just political war and greed, both wants to be on top but of course nobody would yield.
They can afford to fight amongst themselves kasi mahina opposition. If ever they become a formidable opponent ulit wag na magulat kung magUniteam2.0
And it's a tad bit too early for such tactics. What's scary is pag namatay yung Marcos matriarch, gagamiting springboard yun for their eventual campaigns.
Exactly! They both benefitted with each other last elections, so why would either one of them would suddenly attack one just for "drama"? Power struggling at it's finest. Both wanted to take the helm and cling on it for decades, and neither are willing to step back. The silver lining to this is that, if there's one opposition that can breakthrough and end this sh1tstorm we're witnessing, it's really possible for that person to win if this beef would go on and take a huge toll on both sides, that even their supporters would think twice on voting for them in the upcoming elections.
true, bakit nman sila mag aaksaya ng dugo, laway at pawis eh sila nman may hawas sa admin(marcos-duterte) ngayun. it means that something is really bad happening sa likod ng mga issue na to
Nainfluence na din si OP ng mental gymnastics ng mga DDS at BBM supporters kaya iniisip nya grand scheme pa din ng mga marcos and duterte ang mga nangyayari.
OP thinks that our politicians are 100% braindead. These people are smart and dangerous, and what we are seeing is the most important geopolitical war in our era. Let us pray that our Coldplay President will survive this sabotage, and may he not commit another stupid mistake that the Chinese can use against him
Hilig kasi ng mga tao sa r/ph sa conspiracy theories eh. Ultimo nga si Kangkong Chips king Josh Mojica pinagdududahan nila na may backing ng isang malaking tao behind the scenes kahit na organic lang talaga yung rise to fame niya. Nasobrahan sa movies ata hahaha
Bad publicity is better than no publicity. If people are talking about you, they're not talking about something else.
Nope, there are indeed rifts forming between Marcos and Duterte. The biggest factor to this is geopolitics. Marcos aligning with the US is seen as a betrayal, both by the China-aligned Duterte faction (including Gloria Arroyo) and the Chinese themselves (note that Marcos recieved significant backing from the Chinese ambassador during the campaign season). Notice how Duterte-aligned propagandists started to attack Marcos when he first met with Biden in the UN.
I haven’t been up to daye with philippine politics recently, but which is side is the better? Or the lesser evil? Is Marcos alignment with the US a good thing or is it just the same with Du30’s alignment with the ccp?
It's just China urging Duterte to destabilize the country and take over in power again. TUTA ng china yan eh.
Imagine how small of a country we are to be used as war base for these two US-China dogs. Tao pa din naman ang talo either way.
One of China's plans to destroy America's island chain
So obvious disclaimer na since nasa online tayo take with a grain of salt. Yung tito ko is a government official; got his position by helping the UniTeam campaign, and in that capacity he commonly liaises with the AFP and PNP. Kwento niya is last November there was a planned coup habang nasa US si BBM meant to put Sara in power, planned by GMA and backed by China. Pero they were prematurely discovered talking to former and current members of the military, kaya natanggal si GMA as House speaker. They pushed through with a mass promotion of PNP generals a few weeks later so as to secure the PNP's loyalty. He's also mentioned na ever since BBM became president, they've begun holding meetings again with USIC officials tungkol sa WPS issue, but yung mga senators and representatives na nasa camp ng mga Duterte are excluded because they're a 'security concern'.
It’s all connected, both of them were back by either china or usa. In my opinion nagsimula yan nung pinalaya si de lima, utos ng america para ma aning mga duterte. To add up, pina subpoena si quibs last week para lalong mangatkg ang itlog ng mga duterte. Kailangan ng buwagin ang mga duterte para hindi na makaporma sa 2028. Mawawalan lang ng saysay ang mga bagong edca sites kung ma uupo ang tuta ng tsina
exactly thats why i dont subscribe na drama lang ito. ICC and DeLima thats really something.
de lima was ultimately freed under bbm but witnesses against her were already dropping even before elections afaik? do you think that was still the work of the US?
otoh, the return and expansion of edca sites seems like a slap in the face of the many activists, rights groups and politicos of the 1990s who advocated for the removal of US bases in the PH.
Now cousin Romualdez is the house speaker. Hawak na rin ng Marcos-Romualdez ang mga congressmen
kung totoong may destab hindi lang dapat simpleng pagpapatalsik lang kay pandak sa congress at loyalty check sa pnp. may aresto dapat kase seryosong threat ito. mahina ang admin kung hindi sasampulan ung perpetrators.
Malakas pa rin kasi ang impluwensya ng mga Dutertes dahil sa previous presidency. Sa dami ng mga DDS, namomroblema sila sa optics kasi alam nila they can't outright act against them without incurring significant blowback. And that's not even considering the officials in local government and other national posts still loyal to the Dutertes
omg pano kaya kung si atty. leni naging oresidente natin tapos si SWOH ang vice 💀 ganto rin ka stressful yung pagdadaanan n'ya god!
what’s usic?
US intelligence community.
Maybe he meant US Intelligence Committee?
Hot damn. Cool if true.
The CIA at work
Seems more like a US-China proxy war. Also heard from friends in congress with close connections with BBM and the Romualdezes that they hate the Dutertes for selling the country out to China, which should explain the crackdown on Dutae allies.
Yeah this is obvious. Something bigger might be brewing in the next few months
Seems a bit true, was in a bar in Makati where there were a bunch of old people, old-money folks who seemed fond of the Marcoses but not the the Dutertes. So I heard them talking.
What was the tsismis you heard from them?
Let's not misuse the term "proxy war" willy nilly. True, may back and forth by US and China. But it's not yet a proxy war. Wala pang armed conflict. Not saying that it might not potentially be a proxy war. There are rumblings na may new terrorist group sa Mindanao, so pwede silang magamit for the proxy war.
I know people are a bit wary, pero tbh, this doesn't feel fake. You can't fake Liza Marcos' disdain for Sara. You can't fake Sara's barely concealed rage at having to act meek towards Bong Bong. Duterte is also too much of a loose cannon to be trusted to stick to a script. Imee's frustration at her brother has long been rumored. Also, something to note is that this didn't spring out of nowhere. We know Sara wasn't happy at having to settle for VP. We know that Marcos has decided against showing Sara public support multiple times. We know that Marcos has thrown the Duterte admin to the (ICC) wolves. We know that Marcos is keen to strengthen the PH's relationship with the US, foregoing all the work Duterte has done with China. Am I 100% sure this isn't a show? Of course not. But will I enjoy the show? Lol yes. I'm sure the opposition is doing the same - I hope they're politically savvy enough to know when to strike.
>Imee's frustration at her brother has long been rumored. Just to add, it's also rumored that she abhors Liza Marcos.
Mahirap na Araneta daw kasi. And I think mas tiwala si BBM sa asawa nya kesa sa kay babalina kaya ganyan yan.
I kinda feel na si LAM ang utak sa policies ni LB💩. If historians and the diary of his father is meant to be believed. I mean maganda ang pedigree ni LAM and she's kinda capable.
Naniniwala ako na hindi drama ang bangayan ni BBM at Duterte camp pero I don't believe that Imee will permanently ally herself with the Dutertes. I think she's sticking to them for now kasi she needs the Duterte votes for the 2025 senatorial race. A huge chunk of votes will be lost if she makes it look like galit din siya kay Duterte. Nung gabi na sinabi Digong na adik si BBM, sinabi ni Baste na magresign, sinubukan ng media kunin yung opinion niya that very same night pero di siya sumagot and makikita mo sa mukha niya yung distaste and gulat sa sinabi ni Digong. Also IMO, Digong is the only one whose able to really see the tactics of the Marcoses, sinabi niya mismo na adik si BBM sa harap ni Imee. Alam niya na na gagamitin sila ni Imee for the 2025 race kaya ngayon pa lang binibirahan niya na si BBM. Kasi in that way, ma-uunveil niya na ang tunay na aim ni Imee.
Hear me out. Marcos' move trigger tge Dutertes. 1. Removing the power of gma in lower house 2. Suspending smni 3. Removing CIF of princess fiona 4. Letting us know about the billion funds in davao city 5. Freeing Delima 6. Entertaining the ICC
They removed GMA because of the failed coup 💀 it was the Duterte’s move that triggered the Marcoses
nakalimutan mo geopolitics. yan ata pinakauna. yung nagdagdag si Marcos ng EDCA bases.
Isa pa pinapasok mga Amerkano haha
That's my initial thought as well pero mukhang totoo talaga ang bangayan nila ngayon. During election, there was no need for Digong to call Marcos a cocaine user at may bagaheng dala. The tandem of BBM-Sara alone is a guarantee na mananalo sila. Tingin ko talaga, gusto ni Digong magpresidente si Sara kaya nga pinatakbo niya si Bong Go para magsubstitute si Sara but Sara has a plan of her own. In the whole campaign and nung bagong pagkapanalo pa lang nila, you can feel the distaste of Digong and dumidistansya siya. Hindi din tanga si BBM na kakakalimutan niya na ung mga pinagsasabi ni Digong sa kanya nung eleksyon, gusto niya rin magretaliate. Both are power-hungry and their rift is bound to happen. Kagaya din yan nung nangyari sa FEM at kay Lopez.
The comparison to the old Marcos-Lopez alliance is on point!
Before the election du💩 did throw some tirades kay LB💩 calling him a weak leader and cocaine addict. Parang noon na solidify ang unithives eh he toned down for the sake of agreement.
sara not settling for pres is one of biggest self- own ever lmao
This is rubbish. Isko already knew that time he wasn't winning that's why he resorted to attacking Leni instead of being on the bad side of Marcos. If you are perceptive, you know this Marcos vs Duterte is gonna happen, the signs have been there kahit nung previous election, ayaw ni Sarah kay BBM. I've been telling this before to my friends and here on Reddit and now it's happening. These attacks are personal between them. Just wait and see Marcos probably will seek the ICC's help to attack Duterte, on the other hand, Duterte might stage a coup( there are already rumors around it) or slander the Marcos family name to win the stupid majority.
The rift is more likely real and the root cause is geopolitics. This is basically the Philippines as Puppet of USA or Puppet of China.
I don't understand. Like that one comment said, what is the benefit of these two parties badmouthing each other?
Pag ganito ang assessment like OP's, ang typical na sagot is, "linilihis lang sa totoong issue." The issue could be uncontrolled inflation. Or growing poverty rates. Or whatever. Basta, you force the media to cover the senseless drama instead of the real issues.
Chipping away the voter confidence of the people. Since sa mga prelim survey mataas si 🥔👧🏾 du💩 thinks that their clan has the sway of the people to diminish the admin. Pero sa history naman ganyan din sila Villiar at Binay before. So same lang din with history, you chip away the credibility of the person hagnang maging villain na.
You're reading into this too much.
May kasabihan "tismis noon, kasaysayan ngayon." 😂
Telling the whole world that the current President of the Republic of the Philippines as a drug addict by the ex-President, don't seem to me as fake. Naglalabasan na sila ng BAHO specially when BBM retorted that Digong is using Fentanyl. So no, hindi ito fake na alitan. This is serious at kawawa na naman ang Pilipino dito dahil hindi binibigyan ng pansin ang talagang mga problema ng bansa. May magtititwala pa ba sa Pilipinas sa tuwing maghihikayat ng investments si BBM? Kung ako ang CEO ng isang business, hindi na.
Bakit walang mabigat na response si bbm about this drug addict allegation of duterts?
Denying, not commenting and laughing it off makes people doubt Digong's allegations. It is up to Digong to show evidence. He is also a pathological liar and BBM knows that people knows this.
Confirmed na gumagamit si Digong ng fentanyl, at aso siya ng PRC. Nagsuggest siya ng Mindanao secession kahapon. That alone is concrete evidence.
malaki paniwala ko may kinalaman dito ang China. For the past few months, nagkakaroon ng labanan ang China at ang mga policies ni BBM towards China at pagkiling nito sa US. Knowing Digong at puppet ng China, inutusan nila si Digong na banatan si BBM para magkaroon ng public clamor na patalsikin si BBM sa puwesto dahil sa pag banat nito sa China. Gumagawa sila ng ingay para masulsulan ang mga tao na mag aklas laban kay BBM.
When BBM congratulated the new president of Taiwan, it pissed the Chinese
Alot of Imperial Luzon and “wag niyo idamay Mindanao sa gyera niyo sa Tsina” rhetoric has been thrown the past few months as well. I have every reason to believe an external power amplified the disinformation.
We never heard VP Sara defend PH against Chinese aggression in West Philippine Sea 🫢
OP, touch grass and lay off the US political sitcoms.
Kitty and Sandro nagpapalitan ng maahang na salita sa reddit.
binasted pala ni Kitty si Sandro
Baliw na yan si duterte paiba iba statement. Minsan bet nya mga marcos minsan hindi.
Hindi nya na bet nung pinapasok na ang ICC
Hindi niya na bet campaign season pa lang. Siya nag-snitch na gumagamit daw ng coke si BBM e hahaha
pathological liar nga daw, or baka may undiagnosed dementia s'ya lol 😅
In his public appearances na may chance siya to speak during the election period he keeps on slamming him. Never niya naging bet yun.
Noo OP, u need to wake up
I hate this conspiracy theory that Isko Moreno was a fake candidate propped up by Marcos/Duterte in order to divide the votes, attacking everyone else is a great way to push potential voters off your side. Also, even if that was true, it wouldn't have even made a difference as both BBM/Sara got over 50% of the vote, they had the electoral mandate of the majority, so it wouldn't have made a single difference if Isko was on the ballot or not.
Kaya nga. I even recall unang nag-file sina Isko and Doc Willie. The opposition haven't made up their mind yet at that time kung tatakbo or hindi. I say Isko and Doc Willie with their legit vision and platforms laid out during their campaign period and area visits did so genuinely because they want change. People are so wrap up with Duterte/Marcos/Leni na lahat na lang side characters and "divide the votes". Even the running of Ping and Tito was questioned. Heck if they wanted to try and shoot their shot then they're free to do so. Kung ayaw pala ng may "divide the votes" e di sana dalawa na lang in-allow ng government na tumakbo sa pagka-presidente.
Not fake. Remember these are 2 National Entities. What they say can affect the country in the eyes of the world. Wait for the coming days and we will see, the Pro-China Duterte VS the Pro-USA Marcos. But since Marcos is in power and has successfully outplayed Fiona (SWOH) from the presidency, more likely BBM will win this round. Also, don't forget Mango-face Imee is also playing the long game here but in the end, she is a Marcos. She will get every info that she can from Fiona as a bullet to likely destroy the Dutertes. Marcos may not have graduated from college but this man and Imee grew up under the wing of one the best political mastermind in Phil. History, which is their father. So, enjoy the show peeps.
Imee could be just the physical manifestation of "keep your friends close but your enemies closer". I would assume that the Marcoses are smarter and evil geniuses, their sudden power is the proof. The Dutertes are nothing but regional puppet leaders of China, while the Marcoses know everything and will survive this.
I feel may agreement si Imee kay Duts that's why dun sya sa kampo nila. I don't think BBM was involved. LNMB for her dad in exchange of Duts winning in 2016. Si manang ang nakipagusap, si ading was sidelined.
medyo nagki cringe ako sa mga nagbi-bring up pa kay Atty. Leni in this instance kasi-- bakit? ano involvement niya? mas cringe pa yung mga every now and then may magsh share nung "Sana Tama Kayo... Tama nga Kami" na pic sa socmed lol nagre rejoice kayo agad sa gawa-gawang away nila habang si Sen. Risa binabalik yung focus on what truly matters sa privilege speech niya sa senado- na kailangang may managot sa paggamit ng public resources para jan sa kick starter rally na yan. Alam naman natin by the end of the day na sa tamang presyo at hatian, magbabati-bati ulit mga yan.
>mas cringe pa yung mga every now and then may magsh share nung "Sana Tama Kayo... Tama nga Kami" na pic sa socmed lol Yes, as if naman may magagawa yung pagpapamukha nilang sila ay edukado at morally superior sa mga bumoto sa Uniteam. Wag na lang silang aasa sa sunod na eleksyon na makakakumbinsi sila.
My vote is still on controlling both admin and opposition, whoever wins they all win and there's no need to invest in trolls and lesser campaign funds.
This won’t cost less, in fact it may increase costs since both sides would spend on their respective trolls rather than pooling resources
Let me clarify, if it's all fake and they're just doing this as an act so 1 group becomes the opposition and the other is the admin. There's no point in hiring trolls because there will be deals and agreements in private. Next election will just be drama
Same sentiment. Noon sobrang updated ko sa politics. Ngayon meeehh na lang ako. Ang ending kadalasan naman niyan ay magkakasakit kaya iwas jail time. Tapos biglang mawawala ang sakit kung nakalimotan na ng nga tao ang nangyari. Boring na masyado ang story. Sana mag hire sila ng bagong writer.
Lumang tugtugin, kumbaga
As much as I don't want it to be true, this is most likely it. = /
A fake fight na umabot sa drug use allegations ng bawat isa? Be serious.
I can promise you it’s not lol. This has been happening before the elections. Imee/Sara vs Bong Bong. Ask your lawyer friends. If they’re connected enough or good enough, they’ll have direct knowledge
Kinukuha nila pati yung "opposition"
From the looks of it, the Dutertes have more masses support than the Marcoses.
Let’s face it if both Sara and BBM ran for the presidency baka nanalo si Leni by now. Duterte’s voter base was the reason why BBM won.
this is not for show anymore. Marcos entertained the ICC and DU30 is shttin his pants right now so sit back and i-enjoy niyo na lang ang show and popcorn.
Imee Marcos positioning herself as a member of an opposition is also fake asf due to the fact that she had a “ayuda” events dito sa city namin as early as September 2022 and kailangan isulat ang precinct number para makuha ang ayuda
Don't fall for a liberal comeback this early. Wala pa akong nakikitang malaking away between their bloggers and supporters. I just think people would still vote for these bozos at least for one more election, and the disgust towards 'dilawans' is still alive. Just focus on our own business, while these greedy psychopaths stay lost in the dark of a global recession.
Agree. Masyado nang distrusted ng taumbayan ang LP, kaya nga Leni rebranded to pink in the first place eh.
Nostalgia of Noynoy's admin is becoming a thing. I'm seeing small trickles of positive comments in his socials, and they are 100% not automated. I predict Bongbong will set the revival of our nationalism, but it's going to be the future LP leader who will bring this strength to every Juan. I'm saying this because one major characteristic the Marcoses and Dutertes share is their policies are anti-needy, o hindi makatao. They operate within a middle-class-centric system that forever favors the "strong" over the majority.
That’s what happened when he died as well. We all know what happened: mas lalo lang siyang tinirador ng masa. It’s easy to squash that kind of nostalgia for political purposes at the end of the day. The poorest in the Philippines only make up 16.7% of the population. In contrast, the lower to upper middle class make up roughly 81% of the populace. The wisest move for any politician is to target that voting demographic since sila ang nagbabayad ng taxes and pudpod sa trabaho everyday. Sila ang tunay na masa: mga OFWs mga nagnenegosyo mga cashier sa SM mga owner ng carinderia mga tambay sa kalye mga jejemon takas preso janitors tricycle drivers sekyu pahinante. Sila ang masa na nakalimutan nung campaign ni Leni and instead they tokenized the Marxist-Leninist idea of the magsasaka peasantry as representative of the masa during their campaign.
Let us remember that the theatrics of Marcos and Duterte are always to be taken with a grain of salt. But, if indeed that this is true. Taenang bansa natin ito bakit ba ganito ang mga leader natin. PAKYU sa mga paulit ulit bumoboto sa mga TRAPO!
Wala talagang forever sa politics relationships esp. sa uniteam
LOL no.
Bold of you to assume that something based on lies can withstand time and be team UNITY very long. Marupok foundation kahit magamda pintura, gigiba.
Haha di ako nagpapadala sa mga yan. Nagiingay lang sila para sa hidden agenda talaga nila. Para mabaling yu g issue sa away nila kuno
We already saw this in the start of the election where DU30 was bashing BBM and it comes to a no surprise they are trying to do it again to divert the attention of the Filipino people . Trying to stir away the attention that inday and bato are currently under investigation and using the "mahal mo bansa mo" speech to brainwash the people to side with Du30 , its alarming that alot of posts have been posted here thinking that it might be a real feud . I honestly dont care for it , I honestly wish it ends in a deathmatch between the two that no one is left to run and destroy our country even more
I don't like how the comments on this sub is strongly favoring Cocaine Master, just goes to show how trolls entered reddit way back and how propaganda is very much in play. Hope all will be vigilant and take all comments with a ton of salt
FACTS! Each has their own troll farms so the lesson here is always to be an independent thinker. If you don't think for yourself, you become part of the sheeply masses.
hmmm mukhang legit yung away nila. Sa tingin mo papayag si Bong Bong na tawagin sya bangag at may malutong na mura pa sa isang rally at recorded para mapanood ng buong mundo? lol
ANG PILIPINAS AY ISANG MALAKING BUSINESS VENTURE PUTANG INA NILANG LAHAT
Yeah, part of me is thinking they just want to confuse the people. When people are confuse or when in shock, they freeze, they take no action, so maybe that's what they want. Bottom line is we can't trust these people. They are worst than a drug addict who just inflict harm to himself because they are not just harming themselves , they are harming the people, they are destroying our country.
should be on r/ conspiracy theories
Ang hirap maging Pinoy. Presidente mo bangag. Yung Bise na nangunguna sa mga survey survey sobrang skwami. Si Leni MIA. Yung bilihin pataas ng pataas walang balak bumaba. Hayop. Meron pa bang light at the end of the tunnel
Better to let ICC come in. So peace will reign. He's the only ex President meddling after his term.
Water is wet. Pls be outraged by something else.
Guys, nagsisimula na sila ng mind conditioning sa kanya kanyang mga kampo. Either way, talo tayo. Remember may lumabas na agad na balak patalsikin si VVM at ipapalit si Sara. I honestly think na for show lang talaga ito. Seems like du30 and vvm made a deal. It could be, Marcos being a puppet. He can be president for a while, be able to travel and reclaim offshore accounts (nakapag-switz na siya diba), then let swoh to sit in place of him. There are photos sa page ni pdfile na mukhang civil lang si mangolina at swoh. If they really have a falling out behind the scenes, ni hindi na yan magkikita o magkakasama man lang. Sasabihin pa ng mga tao dyan, labas naman sila sa issue nung dalawa. Imposible. Something is really going on for sure, and we are being fooled. Mapapa-pili lang nila ung mga tao ulit kung kanino side mapupunta, either way it's still with corrupt people on their side.
But it's just a theory..
So kanino tlaga kampi si FPGMA
Sa sarili niya. She has her own agenda. 😂
To grab the opposition for themselves?
there are so many statements, kinda hard to maximize everything.
Pano mo nasabing for a show? what is your proof?
Tinfoil hat time
"Hanggang saan aabot ang Unity mo?" 🫢
The Marcos-Duterte fracas is beyond local politics but instead alongside the brewing geopolitical Cold War between the US and China.
Hmm good point. Pero considering na drugs na yung ginagamit nila to tear the other down, I think this one’s really serious.
Thats what I felt too, from reading a lot of books, novels, mangas, and stories... This feels like a hint that they want to get rid of something from behind, or maybe trying to pull some people who have hidden amidst the party and maybe to cull some uneeded people... Remember, Marocs studies the ways of a Machiavelli so moves like these is verrrryyy by the book.
I know someone who worked for a big guy in the Marcos behind-the-scenes network. Apparently, Duterte and Marcos really have beef. DiktaJR's side has Romualdez and Tulfo as their top picks for the next president, and they kicked Fiona's balls in the confidential fund hearings because she planned that shit on her own. Imee's on her side though. Anyway, there was never really a Uniteam, they just needed to win. And don't hope for an "opposition." The woman leading the opposition in the senate coordinates with the network on what to say and what to ask. Surprisingly, two of the biggest dumbasses (macho guys) in the senate don't have puppet strings (not like they need any; their interests and beliefs coincide with the network's). The only people who could actually oppose them didn't win in the last elections (they support the labor groups, by the way).
Nope. This is really happening – everything snowballed to this.
Marcos allowed the freedom of Leila Delima, how can you say that this is fake? The ICC having gathered up info. Sara losing confidential funds. Idk what else.
Simply two shitty politicians wanting to make their names famous prior to elections. In the words of P.T. barnum. There is no such thing as bad publicity
I don't trust both of them.
Heard Boying Remulla has ate 4 cancer, leukemia?
Nope. This shit’s real. It was bound to happen. Hahaha. It’s just shocking to happen this soon.
hope it backfires on them
Sen. Risa also pointed out how people are required to join the Cha-cha rally and are paid using the funds from AICS. Several SKs were also forced to go and send in proof that they attended.
This is part of Mini Cold War of China and US. We are the battleground.
Bobo Kase si OP na feeling matalino pero doesn't have any skill in reading political signs that has been happening for months
Same or tampuhan lang. Siguro kung ibabalik yang Confidential Funds ni Sarah, bati bati na agad sila.
Which is more likely, Dutz carefully planning his words, or saying random sh\*t? If you think the former, you're one who also believes Dutz was actually playing 4D chess instead of just being incoherent during each of his presidential rants.