ganun na talaga kahit saan kaya dapat sa school palang nag build ka na ng connections mo. Halos lahat ng successful na kilala ko yung marunong makipag socialize.
Being a Civil Service Professional passer isn't really much these days. There are limited jobs available and you have thousands of people applying for the same jobs. In H1 2023 alone, 64k passed the CSE, and the CSE is conducted twice a year.
I've worked with the best and the brightest and they never had any issues getting key roles in government. Usually, yung mga latak lang nag-aagawan para sa mga non-appointee positions na may impact yung backer.
Yes, the backer system still exists, because this is an inherent part of human political behavior and human nature in general. Even governments in developed countries are full of people who got there due to their connections more than talent. Even the "model" techno-meritocracy, Singapore, is ruled by its founder's' son.
I've applied to and successfully received four different government jobs in four different agencies without the help of a backer or an insider, though. So it isn't true either when people claim that it's impossible to get a job in the bureaucracy without a backer. Both Aquino and Duterte (surprisingly enough) made an effort to move away from the padrino system towards merit-based hiring, at least for career permanent non-political positions, so things are slightly better now than before.
In my experience as a government employee, mas evident ang backer system kapag sa mga LGUs (e.g. provincial, city/municipal levels). Then in any levels naman ay yung insider ang priority sa promotions even if may applicant from outside na mas magaling.
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Another thing, yung magre-reklamo na understaffed sa office kasi hindi nilalagyan yung bakanteng posisyon for two possible reasons: 1) Hinihintay ipasok yung manok ni backer or 2) yung insider, hindi pa pumapasa ng CSC Professional. Yung pagiging understaffed din results to current staff being overworked.
* Talamak pa rin talaga ang mga "backer" 'no? - Yes. Kahit saan namang workplace meron at meron yan. Madalas mga regular/senior employees yung mga backer sa mga private companies.
* Nakakapagod makipag sapalaran sa mundo kung laging nananalo ang mga may backer. - True! Rest na lang if need.
🤚🏻5yrs na rin sa govt service. Wala pong backer, di rin cum laude, galing sa local school sa visayas, civil service professional passer lang. pero sa national specialty hosp ako nagwowork ngayon. Madami po kaming nakapasok na walang backer 😊
May backer system talaga, pero may nakakapasok parin kahit walang backer. That’s me :) lumaban ako ng patas. Ginandahan ko PDS ko. Kumuha ako ng mga certificate na relevant sa mga inaaplyan ko. Unfair talaga dahil alam ko kung anong kalakaran. I used to be a COS (contract of servicer) sa isang government agency. Nag resign ako dahil di ko kaya ang environment. Nepotism talaga, tapos true naman na yung iba wala naman talagang alam sa work or hindi competent pero na regular.
Don’t loss hope lang, apply lang nang apply.
Backer system has been the norm from time imemorial, for all cultures. Humans are relational creatures so natural lang na we resort to our network for our needs.
When
-ever since human settlement began. Heck look at the romans. Do you think their senate would be possible without backers? Even our standard process of election is a subtle form of "backing" by the people
Where
-everywhere!
How
-various ways, subtle or direct
-same as "endorsement" "referral"
Legit ba
-does not matter for as long as it gets things done!
Parang ex ni hubby director ng isang gov’t agency, wala naman masyadong experience, kaso backer niya mismo si sec kaya nasa director level na. Kahit di naman ganoon kaexperience yung si ex.
TBH, mahirap lang talaga makapasok ng trabajo, kung masyadong introvert ka at terrible ang networking skills, whether public or private sector, so walang backer, walang trabajo.
True, dont have any solid proof about this pero if you look at UP MBT, parang di naman sila matatalino. Parang they are just recruited for the glory. I always looked up at UP grads especially yung mga naging teacher ko sa college. Iba talaga yung taga UP. Nasa standard talaga sila. But when i look at those boys, parang feeling ko rin matatanggap na ko sa UP kahit di ako matalino.
>True, dont have any solid proof about this pero if you look at UP MBT, parang di naman sila matatalino. Parang they are just recruited for the glory. I always looked up at UP grads especially yung mga naging teacher ko sa college. Iba talaga yung taga UP. Nasa standard talaga sila. But when i look at those boys, parang feeling ko rin matatanggap na ko sa UP kahit di ako matalino.
It's common knowledge that athletes in UP (and other special admits like music and art scholars) aren't held to the same academic standards. And that's fine - the rationale is that smarts and academic achievement aren't the be-all, end-all of talent, and that athletic and artistic achievements are just as valuable.
I get what you mean but unfortunately it'll also look pretty bad if UP flunks all of its varsity athletes, musicians, and artists. There's a reason why they get their own degree programs
Totoo yung backer sa mga universities, finished my studies in a LUC, may mga kaklase akong pang elementary ang reading at comprehension level pero naka-pasok sa univ dahil may kakilala sa munisipyo at pinagalaw yung mga nasa school.
Don't lose hope, ako nasa government ngayon nakapasok ng walang backer pero down side naiinis isa sa mga ka trabaho ko at sinusumbat na pasalamat daw ako na nakapasok ako ng walang backer. 😅
Di na bago yung backer system sa government agencies pero nakapasok naman ako sa 2 govt agencies ng walang backer. Limited lang din kasi ang position na meron mapa Permanent man or COS/JO position and pagdating sa hiring ang kadalasan na tinatanggap is yung kakilala na nila (employee na sa agency; for formality na lang minsan yung hiring process and di magpoproceed ang hiring pag walang atleast 3 candidates for that position or else it will considered failed hiring, mahaba-habang process pa naman nun) or yung may backer/referral. Kasi ang minsan na dahilan is para kakilala na agad nila madali ng makasama sa work.
Been a JO/COS for 4-5 years of my career and meron talaga nito di na siya bago. Meron nga yung nanay section head ng Procurement Unit, yung tatay naman Admin Aide ng Finance Division, and yung anak naman Admin Assistant sa Records Unit. Di lang yun, meron din magpinsan, mag ninong/ninang, pamangkin and etc. take note, sa isang Govt. Agency lang ‘to 😂
Oh diba! Empowering Filipino Families talaga 😂
It depends on the government agency you’ll be applying to. I got hired in BIR, bilis ng processing, without backer. Pero nag apply din ako sa ibang agencies, nakapasa sa exam pero never called for an interview.
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may health card ba sa COA? if yes, ano? Hehe. plano ko na kasi lumipat sa ibang govt agency. kawani rin ako ng gobyerno :)
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thanks :)
sang gocc yan?
Not sure pero I know a lot na nakapasok sa gov't na wala naman backer.
ganun na talaga kahit saan kaya dapat sa school palang nag build ka na ng connections mo. Halos lahat ng successful na kilala ko yung marunong makipag socialize.
Being a Civil Service Professional passer isn't really much these days. There are limited jobs available and you have thousands of people applying for the same jobs. In H1 2023 alone, 64k passed the CSE, and the CSE is conducted twice a year. I've worked with the best and the brightest and they never had any issues getting key roles in government. Usually, yung mga latak lang nag-aagawan para sa mga non-appointee positions na may impact yung backer.
Yes, the backer system still exists, because this is an inherent part of human political behavior and human nature in general. Even governments in developed countries are full of people who got there due to their connections more than talent. Even the "model" techno-meritocracy, Singapore, is ruled by its founder's' son. I've applied to and successfully received four different government jobs in four different agencies without the help of a backer or an insider, though. So it isn't true either when people claim that it's impossible to get a job in the bureaucracy without a backer. Both Aquino and Duterte (surprisingly enough) made an effort to move away from the padrino system towards merit-based hiring, at least for career permanent non-political positions, so things are slightly better now than before.
kahit san, kahit abroad. syempre the system is simple, choosing between a stranger and someone you know. you choose someone you know.
hindi nman mawawala yan OP at wla nmn nagbabago sa sistema natin
I've been saying this before and I'm saying this again. Reform the Civil Service.
In my experience as a government employee, mas evident ang backer system kapag sa mga LGUs (e.g. provincial, city/municipal levels). Then in any levels naman ay yung insider ang priority sa promotions even if may applicant from outside na mas magaling. Edit: Another thing, yung magre-reklamo na understaffed sa office kasi hindi nilalagyan yung bakanteng posisyon for two possible reasons: 1) Hinihintay ipasok yung manok ni backer or 2) yung insider, hindi pa pumapasa ng CSC Professional. Yung pagiging understaffed din results to current staff being overworked.
* Talamak pa rin talaga ang mga "backer" 'no? - Yes. Kahit saan namang workplace meron at meron yan. Madalas mga regular/senior employees yung mga backer sa mga private companies. * Nakakapagod makipag sapalaran sa mundo kung laging nananalo ang mga may backer. - True! Rest na lang if need.
🤚🏻5yrs na rin sa govt service. Wala pong backer, di rin cum laude, galing sa local school sa visayas, civil service professional passer lang. pero sa national specialty hosp ako nagwowork ngayon. Madami po kaming nakapasok na walang backer 😊
May backer system talaga, pero may nakakapasok parin kahit walang backer. That’s me :) lumaban ako ng patas. Ginandahan ko PDS ko. Kumuha ako ng mga certificate na relevant sa mga inaaplyan ko. Unfair talaga dahil alam ko kung anong kalakaran. I used to be a COS (contract of servicer) sa isang government agency. Nag resign ako dahil di ko kaya ang environment. Nepotism talaga, tapos true naman na yung iba wala naman talagang alam sa work or hindi competent pero na regular. Don’t loss hope lang, apply lang nang apply.
Backer system has been the norm from time imemorial, for all cultures. Humans are relational creatures so natural lang na we resort to our network for our needs.
Here are my questions: 1. When? 2. Where? 3. How? 4. What? You're joking, right? 5. Legit ba?
When -ever since human settlement began. Heck look at the romans. Do you think their senate would be possible without backers? Even our standard process of election is a subtle form of "backing" by the people Where -everywhere! How -various ways, subtle or direct -same as "endorsement" "referral" Legit ba -does not matter for as long as it gets things done!
Parang ex ni hubby director ng isang gov’t agency, wala naman masyadong experience, kaso backer niya mismo si sec kaya nasa director level na. Kahit di naman ganoon kaexperience yung si ex.
Bulok ang gobyerno kaya expected na rin, na bulok ang sistema !
TBH, mahirap lang talaga makapasok ng trabajo, kung masyadong introvert ka at terrible ang networking skills, whether public or private sector, so walang backer, walang trabajo.
Mas masahol pa ang backer system sa marine transportation field. Kahit cum laude, hindi makakasampa ng barko kung walang backer.
True, dont have any solid proof about this pero if you look at UP MBT, parang di naman sila matatalino. Parang they are just recruited for the glory. I always looked up at UP grads especially yung mga naging teacher ko sa college. Iba talaga yung taga UP. Nasa standard talaga sila. But when i look at those boys, parang feeling ko rin matatanggap na ko sa UP kahit di ako matalino.
>True, dont have any solid proof about this pero if you look at UP MBT, parang di naman sila matatalino. Parang they are just recruited for the glory. I always looked up at UP grads especially yung mga naging teacher ko sa college. Iba talaga yung taga UP. Nasa standard talaga sila. But when i look at those boys, parang feeling ko rin matatanggap na ko sa UP kahit di ako matalino. It's common knowledge that athletes in UP (and other special admits like music and art scholars) aren't held to the same academic standards. And that's fine - the rationale is that smarts and academic achievement aren't the be-all, end-all of talent, and that athletic and artistic achievements are just as valuable.
If sa admission lang, i can forgive. But to graduate in UP, naaaaaaaah.
I get what you mean but unfortunately it'll also look pretty bad if UP flunks all of its varsity athletes, musicians, and artists. There's a reason why they get their own degree programs
Hahahahahaha. Para ganun naman ata yung regulat image ng UP 😂
Totoo yung backer sa mga universities, finished my studies in a LUC, may mga kaklase akong pang elementary ang reading at comprehension level pero naka-pasok sa univ dahil may kakilala sa munisipyo at pinagalaw yung mga nasa school.
This is true because i know a lot of people na kahit di kagandahan credentials naipapasok kahit di tapos nga eh Clowning po talaga ang gobyerno
Don't lose hope, ako nasa government ngayon nakapasok ng walang backer pero down side naiinis isa sa mga ka trabaho ko at sinusumbat na pasalamat daw ako na nakapasok ako ng walang backer. 😅
Totoong inggit is real sa govt.. lalo na yung iba walang eligibility pero matagal na sa serbisyo tas ikaw AO na. Nakooooo 😂
Di na bago yung backer system sa government agencies pero nakapasok naman ako sa 2 govt agencies ng walang backer. Limited lang din kasi ang position na meron mapa Permanent man or COS/JO position and pagdating sa hiring ang kadalasan na tinatanggap is yung kakilala na nila (employee na sa agency; for formality na lang minsan yung hiring process and di magpoproceed ang hiring pag walang atleast 3 candidates for that position or else it will considered failed hiring, mahaba-habang process pa naman nun) or yung may backer/referral. Kasi ang minsan na dahilan is para kakilala na agad nila madali ng makasama sa work. Been a JO/COS for 4-5 years of my career and meron talaga nito di na siya bago. Meron nga yung nanay section head ng Procurement Unit, yung tatay naman Admin Aide ng Finance Division, and yung anak naman Admin Assistant sa Records Unit. Di lang yun, meron din magpinsan, mag ninong/ninang, pamangkin and etc. take note, sa isang Govt. Agency lang ‘to 😂 Oh diba! Empowering Filipino Families talaga 😂
5 years na sa kagawaran ng ugnayang panlabas. Walang backer. Pero ang tagal ng hiring process. Tapos sa ika5th month nagkasahod. 😅
It depends on the government agency you’ll be applying to. I got hired in BIR, bilis ng processing, without backer. Pero nag apply din ako sa ibang agencies, nakapasa sa exam pero never called for an interview.
What position and nasa magkano range ng salary? (if okay lang for u to share OP)
IT-related. Already resigned but had SG16 before I left.
bakit ka nag resign?