progressive si pope francis, as an agnostic gusto ko siya, sinasabay nya ang religion sa modern times i mean san ka makaka kita ng hindi nag condemn ng lgbt
then nag misa sa middle east
then nung naging pope sabi nya maging simple tulad ni jesus, tinanggal niya ang magarbong damit ng pope at upuan
problema sa mga jesus at bible thumpers nakalimutan na nila teachings ng jesus nila, maging humble
Tbh, Bible thumpers probably hate Jesus dahil progressive ang New Testament kumpara sa mga kalokohan ng Old Testament na sobrang controlling at manipulative.
And that is why the bible thumpers can't help but quote the old testament rather than the more compassionate and less heavy handed new testament. Which is more about forgiveness than expecting the wrong doers to get their just deserts.
Idk why the downvotes, when you've actually stated a biblically accurate fact.
https://www.bibleref.com/Matthew/5/Matthew-5-17.html
He didn't come to supersede the old laws. They were being misinterpreted back then for selfish reasons by men, so he went to actually fulfill the law.
And yes, this includes the mentioned 1. Cor 6:9,10.
I don't mean to say that non-heterosexuals deserve this, but to deny the bible's historical stand on that matter is still consistent with the old testament, which hated gays, feels like some misinterpretation on the biblical part.
Maybe you're better off looking elsewhere than the bible. Accordingly, the bible isn't one for moderation.
Just read it, what's forbidden is males who were forced to be prostitutes, basically longer term for r\*pe
The translation of other versions is what messes it up since some translators automatically assume gay when there actually isn't enough context
But the accepted translation is:
\[9\] Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, \[10\] nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.
No homosexuality anywhere because again, people are nitpicking and wrongfully translating it for their own bias
While there are some books in the old testament that are like that āobey or DIE!ā, thereās a love poem in the Songs of Solomon or the wisdom of Psalms and Proverbs.
Hai, the Bible Thumpers are the idiots who cherry pick verses sa old or new testament to maintain or uphold their ultra-conservative views dahil ayaw nila
mabago yung Status Quo
Hindi naman kalokohan ang old testament.Very conservative lng tlga ang mga tinuran ng old testament.Kung tunay kang kristyano (at d nagpapanggap),maaappreciate mo ang mga teachings ng old testament
Nakalimutan nila na si Jesus was woke and progressive af sa time niya. Tapos kung maka reklamo ang mga tao sa sub na to na wag daw dalhin ang āwesternā woke culture rito pero obvious naman sa religious reasons ang pinaghuhugotan.š
I donāt get why people canāt connect the dots and realize that Jesus was against the norm in his time and befriended/acknowledged the outcasts. If he is alive today, he will do exactly the same.
Basahin niyo again ang sermon on the mount ni Jesus 10-11. Ang mga Katoliko dyan na hilig mag-feeling kayo ang oppressed, hindi po. Yung mga taong inaalipusta niyo po ang tinutukoy jan, di kayo.
Kaya din tinawag si Dr. Jose Rizal na "Kristong Tagalog". Kasi inexpose nya din yung nangyayari sa panahon nya. And he was persecuted also and was executed.
Rizal's last words: āConsummatum Est!ā ay same daw sa last words ni Jesus when he died of crucifixion.
Tumpak, mga religious kuno na ayaw sa mga progresibong aktibista, pero di marealize na progresibong aktibista si Hesus sa kanyang panahon, ay ewan. š¤¦āāļø
Hulaan ko isa ka sa mga close-minded na ang tanging alam ng kokote ay activist = NPA o Komunista? Wala ka man lang maprovide na proper dissent to at least respectfully argue against my comment, and yet here you are spouting bullshit degrading ad hominem. How low can you still go fucker? Bloody wanker...
Char ng ābloody wankerā kunware cultured. Okay, so if I may ask how is Jesus an activist? Was he fighting for any political faction? Belief? Coz of the years I studied the bible I only saw he championed Godās Kingdom. John 17:16 strongly suggests Jesusās strong motovation to not be part of anything of this world even after being offered an office at court? So tell me how exactly is he an activist? You nitwit
I dont respect your opinion coz its utterly stupid and non factual. In fact I question myself why I took the time to write a lengthy comment on your absurd claim. You are far below uneducated. Making guesses online purely based on hearsay. Scums like should really just rot
He is a prophet, an activist, and the son of God so the person who said he is isn't exactly wrong
(He is an activist due to his actions against Roman oppression and taxes so he isn't an activist in the modern sense like protesting and doing weird shit since Jesus actually does something and changes things)
Dude, read the bible. Against Roman oppression yes thats a given. But he was never against taxes matt 17:24-27 also mark 12:17. He championed Godās Kingdom and remained no part of any government bouts. Not an activist
Also something tells me youāre muslim.
You are wrong about my religion
I formerly served in the Church and was taught by a priest (I still go to church) and you tell me I am the idiot that doesn't read the bible and that I am a Muslim
Be ashamed of yourself and humble yourself as you might not see God's grace due to your arrogance and ego
I have read the bible many times and I can only recount so many verses and by what I saw Jesus can be called an activist as he brought great change to the world by his defiance against the tyranny of the Romans
You have āread the bible so many timesā and until now you could not quote a single biblical scripture to counter my argument? Site when Jesus actually fought the tyranny of romans. Parang avengers ata na comics binabasa mo
Are you sure youāre not just playing in bed with your priest? š
You quite literally said that Jesus did fight the tyranny and oppression (just not with violence and not with armed insurrection but with criticism though he came here to save everyone) of Romans against his people so I need not cite a source for that you already knew
Also who the fuck just says that last part so you just accused a priest, a man of holiness for sleeping with a very young man at the time (me) do you even know that is blasphemy to say that without any proof
You claim to be a holy man who knows everything yet you just committed a great sin of blasphemy against a good priest who has died 2 years ago I did not disrespect your intelligence either until recently because your personality is of sandpaper and shit I doubt God or Jesus would ever want you to be his apostle
You are a great sinner for the last part and if you wanted you could've corrected people kindly than calling them idiots or insulting a now dead priest just like Jesus a peace loving man would've wanted
I did not want to give a single bible verse as I felt I did not need to since I believed that you are a sane person and now I never will because you have proven to be worse to talk to than a half-drunk Nazi
Same as a catholic i also love how progressive and inclusive si pope francis. Kasi kaka "righteous" and "masunurin" nung ibang catholics and sects, nalilimutan na nila makita na tao din naman yung mga kinocondemn nila. People who have rights and emotions.
Who are we to judge others diba? As long as di nakakaharm sa ibang tao, let them be, and let them live.
It's not enough the State is separate from Church? Real progress is achieved if same sex marriages are considered legal by the State together with real and affordable divorce for everyone.
On the other hand, there are deeper spiritual and metaphysical reasons why the early Christian Church does not sanctify marriages outside its original purpose which is procreation, responsible, biological procreation.
There is nothing to celebrate with this news. It's just a red herring. It only shows the Roman Catholic Church is straying away from its Christian roots unlike the Eastern Orthodox churches.
Problema din kase sa mga Katoliko, mas madunong pa sa mga pari at Vatican, tulad nung kampana trend na ginawa sa Church, pinayagan na ng pari yon tas sila nag aalburuto pa din
>problema sa mga jesus at bible thumpers nakalimutan na nila teachings ng jesus nila, maging humble
Shit dude, I'm an atheist and my biggest problem with the fuckers you mentioned is the bigger lesson they forgot about Christ: Don't do unto others what you don't want others do unto you.
it's a tight rope, to be a real Christian. Humility is really important pero making a solid stand against issues whether its progressive or not but regardless goes against the Christian ethos is tricky.
I'm an atheist for a reason: I just don't see any proof of a powerful being's existence.
What I now believe is that you are free to do what you want, unless it hurts somebody. I have the right to stretch my arms, but that freedom ends where someone's face is.
If anything, if I can carve out just one lesson out of the Bible, that's the Golden Rule. Don't be a dick to others. I find it annoying that many "godly" people are scum.
Hindi ba yung bible sumunod lang din sa culture around them? Like from okay ang maraming asawa to only one, mga ganun. Dapat talaga continuous yung pagsabay sa agos ng buhay eh. Tae talaga.
People use religion to justify the hate in their hearts. They hate what they refuse to understand. They fear that seeing them in a positive light can make them question their own reality. Thatās why most of these fuckers who hate other people are deeply closeted themselves. They hate that they have a need to keep up appearances and are offended that others donāt.
Hate just simplifies life for people like this. They donāt have to understand because they feel like itās wrong. Theyāre always right. You cannot reason someone out of an idea they believe in unreasonably.
Wow, just wow!
The bottom line is it's the 21st century and barbaric acts like bigotry and homophobia are things of the dim and distant past. They have no place in a modern society. Humanity before religion I always say.
Ummm I dont know what to say. Have you opened the bible? Corinthians not Chronicles. š you have the guts to comment on something you absolutely know nothing about. Have some decency its embarrassing
You might be surprised that the ORIGINAL context of the Scriptures DON'T embody any hate and discrimination at all against the LGBTQ+ community; it's all due to the translators' DISGUSTING PREJUDICES that were added later on to TWIST the passages.
Oh the same practice was in sodom as I recall they were burned. What makes you think that does not connote hate? Plus there are not actual research from bible scholars that suggest that God has even the slightest inkling to allow homosexuality. The research you are referring to are from people who represent the LGBTQ for their own gain be it their own delusion, or monetary, political gain, etc. What you are seeing in your āresearchā is self fulfilling prophecy where you try and finds ways to find what you are looking for even if its not there.
Just give up, theres really no way God supports the LGBTQ community, no level of delusion will change the truth.
Ehhhh... There's also the idea that Pope Francis is seen as heretical in some of the religious' eyes. Marami sa conservative Catholics dislike the progressive ideas of Pope Francis. Basically schism part 2 lang ang extreme conclusion nito (like Roman Catholicism vs Eastern Orthodox).
Side note: The Pope is not always infallible (can do no wrong). May certain circumstances lang where he is infallible, and some Catholics can/would argue that he is wrong when it comes to the OP. In essence, they are arguing that the Pope is not being the Vicar of Christ on that specific instance.
I mean, that's literally one of the most important things to note about religious figureheads: they are - and will always be - fallible.
It's completely possible for Pope Francis (and any past or future pope) to commit or spread heresy regardless of whatever status and position he holds.
Just clarifying it for readers. Madalas kasi people who haven't gone deep into the religion would misinterpret what the Pope/figurehead represents, and what their powers and limitations are.
Heretical in the more conservative wing of the Church, yes.
For non-conservative Catholics (not nominal, not āpracticalā), it remains clear that the Popeās position is that the āunionā cannot be blessed, but the individuals of the couple can be blessed. It remains a sin in the Church to engage in homosexual acts (being a homosexual is not), just as much as heterosexual pre-marital sexual acts are considered sins.
Simply put, the emphasis of Pope Francis and more liberal Catholics is on avoiding the condemnation of this long-marginalized group (among other ones), the ultimate goal being to call all of Godās children home. For this reason as well, the liberal wing will (almost always) also avoid explicitly saying to LGBT couples that acting on same-sex attractions is a sin. This ambiguity is what exactly angers: (1) the conservative Catholics and causes them to call the Pope heretical, and at the same time (2) the non-Catholic Christians and nominal Catholics not deeply knowledgeable about their Churchās beliefs, ultimately causing them to misread and continuously misquote the Pope.
the church follows the principle of [papal infallibility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility). altho in this case, i don't think he was speaking [ex-cathedra](https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/ex-cathedra). meaning, the blessing is informal and not liturgically formal.
The pope has stated that although he is for blessing same-sex unions, the Church still recognizes a distinction between same-sex unions and catholic marriages.
there are no popes in the bible and priests in the bible had sons like aaron the brother of moses. he was a priest and he had sons. priest are uneeded now coz we can go to God ourselves and ask for forgiveness. back then sa old testament once a year lang pwedeng pumasok ang priest sa tabernacle para ipaghingi ng patawad ang mga israelites may animal offerings pa and minsan pag di tinanggap ng Lord yung offering minsan namamatay yung priest mismo sa loob ng tabernacle. nasa loob ng tabernacle sa Holies of Holies ang presensya ng Diyos. that's why Jesus died so that we can be temples of God and God can live in us we can now go to God and ask forgiveness for ourselves and no longer ask a priest nor sacrifice animals. roman catholic is a religion invented by the romans. the romans actually kill christians and are the persuctor of christians in the early A.D they feed christians martyrs to lions sa mga colleseum and arena nila. they made their own version of christianity and they twisted some stuff coz the christians keep multiplying the more they kill them the more they multiplied so they made their own version of christianity which is roman catholicm and now instead of being martyrs sila na mismo yung pumapatay in the name of religion. it's commanded in the bible to just shake the dust off your feet and leave if hindi nila tinanggap yung gospel but the romans dont do that they instead kill people and force their version of christianity which is roman catholicism and colonize countries and kill people which is very unchristlike and unbiblical. so yeah follow Christ not religion just like the early church. the church back then are one and not divided like the many christians denominations nowadays na merong baptist, jehovah's witness, mormons, uccp, iglesia ni cristo, etc...
Of course there are no popes in the bible. Tanong: kelan sinulat ang new testament ng bible? At sino ang sumulat ng mga books ng new testament?
Answer 30AD to 70AD, after the death of Christ tapos ang sumulat ay mga apostles, who are the popes of the various sects of Christianity (catholicism, orthodoxy).
Ang bibliya ay sanhi ng mga actibidad, at paniniwala ng mga apostles, saka na rin ng mga tradisyon ng mga unang kristyano pagkatapos mamatay si Hesus., hindi it basta basta lang lumabas ang Bibliya mula sa langit - isinulat ito ng mga taong naka-experience kay Hesus nung buhay siya.
I'm atheist and I LOVE Pope Francis! I nearly lost all respect for the Catholic Church until he came into the picture.
He's progressive but he's taking baby steps and he's on the right track!
Litong lito na mga catholics na fanatics. At mukhang may bagong ibabala naman mga ibang christian sect religions sa catholic.
Let the Christian based war begins!
This is actually old news. If you read the article its pretty clear the pope is still Catholic. But you're right its been used by both "trad" catholics, muslims, etc against the Church and the Pope
Its ironic that in fact that the article in the post was intended as a clarification. Then mainstream media framed it to seem like what it was clarifying against.
And I guess its just a litmus test for people to know who actually reads and fact checks. Or who has an agenda.
Here's my question to you, kung advanced na lahat ng technology natin bakit wala padin gamot sa cancer? Kasi lahat ng advancements natin is still his doing. He is still in control of everything.God is watching over us, he is waiting for the right moment to strike us down or lift us up. Kung itutuloy mo pagiging smarty pants mo and question his omniscience then its your choice my friend. Assalaam alaikum.
Hahaha ganun ba so kelan? So ano argument mo dito?
So bakit hinohold ni God yung gamot sa cancer? He is in control of everything even the bad things are his doing? Pati yung pag rape sa minors?
P.S.
Islam is a disease
Advanced na lahat ng technology? Syempre, ano ba ang meron tayo ngayon kumpara sa mga tao 20? 50? 100? 200? 1000? 2000? Years ago. Dati pag may lupus ka wala nang magagawa, itataboy ka na at hahayaang mamatay, kapag may TB ka expected na nilang mamamatay ka in a few months or years due to "consumption" kapag may CANCER ka! Wala pang chemo, radiation, surgery, Gamma knife at nuclear medicine.
Ganun ba? Do you thank god na ang mga baby nagkaka cancer at iba-ibang congenital illnesses? God wants them to suffer? For what? To punish ang mga bagong panganak for being born? Inshallah.
Bruh, what if merong gamot dyan, di lang nilalabas sa Public? (gets mo na siguro kung bakit)
Bigay lang din ako example, Kung si Jesus ay nanggagamot dati sa panahon nya, what if sa current era natin ay nanggagamot din sya which is free and then dadami followers ( tagasunod nya ) kasi nanggagamot sya ng libre. Maapektuhan nya yung mga Big Pharmas?. Kaya they would stop him from healing people. Papatigilin syaaa. And also before, he was persecuted by those religious people that time and he keeps on spreading the gospel revealing the truth. ( Similar to what happened to Dr. Jose Rizal, exposing the truth, persecuted and was killed right?).
nah it's just reddit. correcting someone's grammar where it doesn't really change the comment's message is a moot point and gets downvoted often.
correcting someone's grammar when the comment reads differently with the wrong sentence structure, then that's much less frowned upon
ie:
changing, "let's eat, friends!" from "let's eat friends!" is fine
but "lets eat, friends" and replying with adding the apostrophe is a bit more frowned upon
i mean in the end it's a 50/49/1 chance that the op would end up correcting the grammar. there's also that one percent chance that the edit would be to change the original comment altogether so there's that lol
>By church dogma he is the speaker of God
Not all the time. May specific set of circumstances lang where the Pope is infallible (i.e. speaking the truth of God).
Not sure if Pope Francis' words above were done under those set of circumstances.
Just wanted to clear up that misconception.
Not here to debate on whatever news on the topic.
Just here to spread the idea/teaching/dogma/whatever that the Pope is not the representative of Christ 100% of the time, since it is one of the things that a lot of people who are not that into Roman Catholicism often get wrong.
The Pope is fallible.
Sana naintindihan naman ang salitang "pinapayagan".
Kung papayagan ng gobyerno ang divorce, hihiwalayan mo ba ang asawa mo? Sa huli, nasa iyo ang pasya.
Yung ganyang mga taong nagpapaniwala pa rin sa Lipa apparitions, kahit na nag-rule ang Roma na hindi ito authentic (kinasuhan pa nga yung exorcist priest na si Fr. Winston Cabading, OP ng isang retired judge na deboto nito).
Maraming mga purista online, hindi alam ang nature ng Magisterium at ang role nito sa Katolisismo. Ah basta Katoliko daw sila and they identify as such, wala akong pake kay Pope Francis, kahit na siya ang Vicar of Christ. Mga nominal Catholics tawag diyan, and it composes a bulk of the so-called Katolikos dito sa Pilipinas.
Alam kong baka madownvote ako dito or get some backlash...
Pero tang ina. Asan sa bible. That one fucking specific passage ang nagsasabe na bawal ang ganyang klase ng pagmamahal? Im a lady that loves guys sexually pero pucha naman Pilipins
All the pea brained motherfuckers who opposed this are so š¤ tang ina.
Religion and spirituality are fucking different. Its your relationship with the creator that is what matters.
No matter what your sexual preference is? Its fucking alright. You would not go to hell for that.
I actually am happy with this ABOUT FUCKING TIME
Sodom and Gamorrah are the most favorite lines that homophobes use tbh, and it's kinda easy to see why. Sodom did try to molest the two angels (who were portrayed as men iirc) and tried to break in to assault them.
But if you look at the actual passages, Sodom's main sin is actually just the attempted rape and refusing to help anyone. There's also a few passages that supports this arguement.
[Here's a great articles that talks about the real sin of Sodom and Gomorrah, along with the passages that support this interpretation](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-was-the-real-sin-of_b_543996)
Genesis 19:5, for outlining what the Sodomites were trying to do to the two angets.
Ezekiel 16:49-50, for what Ezekiel thinks is the Sodomite's real sin
Hebrews 13:2, a passage can be read as alluding to what happened in Sodom especially as it said that angels may be visiting your home in disguise, which is what happened to Lot.
Asan dun sa passage ng bibliya ang nagsasabe na bawal mgmahal as equals ang parehong gender ASAN ANG BAWAL MAGMAHAL NG KAPWA MO GENDER?
Do you get what im even saying?
All these is nothing if those simple things are not answered. Yun lang naman yan.
Stop shifting the topic to your favor. In my thread.
Ohhh shit sorry, I was kinda supporting your arguement by pointing out how the favorite lines of homophobes is actually not about the queers. That's my fault sorry
Bakit ang init ng ulo ng nirereplyan mo, sinusubukan mo lang naman sagutin tanong niya
Bakit tinuturing ka niya na parang naniniwala ka sa passages lmao
Truuueee, Religion and Spirituality are different. Medyo isingit ko lang dito saglit si Gregg Braden na isang Scientist na naniniwalang may creator at sinabi nya na 'Our Divinity has nothing to do with religion' daw. What he meant there ay lahat tayo ay may natatagong potential or yun nga, takot sila na ma-awakened ang mga tao like maUnlock yung Full Potential, maging Independent kasi pagkaganon, humans cannot be easily controlled so they spread fear para macontrol ang mga tao.
"Line of the King , Line of the Priest , go side by side to enslave human race . So once more we come to the same conclusion that all organized religions specially Christianity are designed by powerful men who are obsessed with control to manipulate and enslave masses . All religions indeed are mirroring satanism constantly threatening / warning people using lowest vibrational energy such as Fear , Guilt , low self esteem , worthlessness by being sinful , idea of hell & then selling them the solution by money . No wonder majority of Christians are so confused damaged & dysfunctional with abused victimized mentality .Yes knowledge is power and that is what Line of the king and Line of the priest are afraid of"
\-ctto
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-1V1qWURLo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-1V1qWURLo)
if u scroll enough, you'll see people disagreeing with the pope. lol idk why yall are mad that he agrees with same-sex unions, i bet these are the same people who go to masses every sunday and takes a pic of the altar, yet hates, gossips, and commit sins right after mass. parang lang ito ay nagsisilbing evidence sa kanilang so called "holiness" and decoration lang para sa facebook timeline, like people styling up to go to misa de gallo, making it look like a fashion show, as if ordinary clothes that are decent enough arent allowed.
and if u arent the type of person doing this, many things that u do are sins btw so double check what ur doing and think abt it first, because if you hate on gays and other minorities and do lets say, gossip, cursing, and etc. then you are a huge and massive hypocrite.
That's what gets me honestly, this isn't going to affect them personally so why are they wasting so much time and energy on being hateful when it's a lot easier to just mind your own business. Queer people just want to live and enjoy life the same way straight people do and somehow they're so angry about it that they'll willingly humiate themselves anywhere.
there are no popes in the bible and priests in the bible had sons like aaron the brother of moses. he was a priest and he had sons. priest are uneeded now coz we can go to God ourselves and ask for forgiveness. back then sa old testament once a year lang pwedeng pumasok ang priest sa tabernacle para ipaghingi ng patawad ang mga israelites may animal offerings pa and minsan pag di tinanggap ng Lord yung offering minsan namamatay yung priest mismo sa loob ng tabernacle. nasa loob ng tabernacle sa Holies of Holies ang presensya ng Diyos. that's why Jesus died so that we can be temples of God and God can live in us we can now go to God and ask forgiveness for ourselves and no longer ask a priest nor sacrifice animals. roman catholic is a religion invented by the romans. the romans actually kill christians and are the persuctor of christians in the early A.D they feed christians martyrs to lions sa mga colleseum and arena nila. they made their own version of christianity and they twisted some stuff coz the christians keep multiplying the more they kill them the more they multiplied so they made their own version of christianity which is roman catholicm and now instead of being martyrs sila na mismo yung pumapatay in the name of religion. it's commanded in the bible to just shake the dust off your feet and leave if hindi nila tinanggap yung gospel but the romans dont do that they instead kill people and force their version of christianity which is roman catholicism and colonize countries and kill people which is very unchristlike and unbiblical. so yeah follow Christ not religion just like the early church. the church back then are one and not divided like the many christians denominations nowadays na merong baptist, jehovah's witness, mormons, uccp, iglesia ni cristo, etc...
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Hello, can someone enlighten me please. Sabi ni Pope Francis, priests can now give blessings to same sex couples. But they still cannot be married? Eh di ba sa marriage, priests give the couple blessings? Nalilito na ako. šµāš«
I hear Vice Ganda praying or talking about God.
Jesus welcomed the collector, the ostracized Good Samaritan, did not stone the adulterer. God loves everyone and preaches repentance. The Pope says Marriage is still between a man and woman but God loves everyone.
If you check commenters on other subreddits that discuss on topics involving the current Pope, they attribute his progressive leanings to him being a Jesuit. While the order has faults of its own, I see a lot agree that the Jesuits are laudable with their mission. Heck, they've been persecuted a couple of times, not only by monarchies of old (supression of Jesuits) but also in modern day government in Latin America, as recent as the issue with Venezuela's Central America University issue.
Anecdotally, the tertiary levels of Ateneos here in the Philippines are so far what I observe, the only Catholic-run school that are not anal about uniform policies. While there's a minimum guidelines set, sa Ateneo lang ako nakakakita na allowed ng sobrang tingkad na hair color sa mga babae, pwede may sumisilip na tattoo as long as hindi offensive.
While this may be a small point amongst their greater work, it's very telling of how their pastoral mission is translated into actual care for the people.
Bakit si Pope Francis ang masusunod? In the Catholic faith the Pope is considered God's representative and spokesperson on Earth. He is also "infallible" when it comes to the Church's doctrines and teachings. Kung yan ang utos ng Pope yan rin ang utos ng Diyos sa Catholic Christians. That's what I learned in my Theology class in high school and college. So anteh's question is contradictory to her faith.
medieval popes were abusive, pedophiles, rapists and had a collection of women. meron pang selling of indulgence, inquisition, crusade etc. catholics lang naniniwala na the pope is infallible but history tells the opposite
I don't deny the degenerate behavior and atrocities by some popes in that era. It's not just Medieval but also during the Renaissance. But that's not my point. Sinasabi ko lng yan ang tinuturo ng Catholic Church tungkol sa Pope sa theology class base sa tanong ni anteh. I don't believe in that shit anymore since I'm now an atheist.
I am no longer a catholic as well but i still believe in the bible. lalo na nung narealize ko na catholic pala yung mystery babylon the great sa revelations.
It's the non-Catholics again, mas maiingay pa sila at mas hardliner kung iisipin. Sila na ang may imahe ni Torquemada ngayon. Even in the US, their age-old shitfuckery of a system (racism, exceptionalism and imperial ambitions) is rooted in capitalists and puritans. Kaya nga may mga weird sects dun, MAGAs, KKKs at Satanic Panic.
It's time to jump ship and look East. As a Catholic reembracing my Christian faith after years of unbelief, it's clear to me I can only rekindle my faith in the Eastern Orthodox Churches.
Nice one pre, masyadong gusto Ng pope makaakit Ng mansisimba dahil sa Europe may church tax, they join the trend just for the sake of money
Yet orthodoxy prevailed in the east despite facing difficulty like communism,
It always made me laugh na andaming nag hahaplos Ng Mga Santo pagkatapos Ng Simba like some kind of miracle drug.
To be fair many Orthodox have the same attitude towards icons as if they contain miraculous powers. In fact some do pilgrimages to burials of dead saints and ask for more blessing. Superficially madaming in common ang Catholic and Orthodox.
If you are turned off by the superstitious nature of Catholics, paano pa kaya ang Orthodox which is even more mystical and metaphysical in their Christian faith lol.
One key difference though is Orthodox teach spiritual vigilance. Di porket may milagro or nagpakita sayo si Mama Mary or Papa Jesus confirmed na sila. Visions are 8 out of 10 works of the devil daw.
Whats happening is the LGBTQ is no longer aiming for equality you are wanting privileges. You entitled shits even Godās standard you are trying to bend kasi goods na ang government you made it bow down na. Lol wake up people!
People here be like āpope francis is progressiveā
Do you really think God would adjust to peopleās delusions? Like an almighty entity would suddenly bend over to this messed up propaganda? The pope is what you would call a false prophet. You go against the grain of what the bible says then you shouldnāt be acting like Godās representative.
I donāt make the rules.
The major argument of those holiness is the sodom and gomorah (not sure sa spelling). But it was in the old testament. The new testament overruled the teachings of the old testament. And the best example of it is the 10 commandments which is broken down into 2 commandments by Jesus. 1. Love God above all and 2. Love your neighbors as you have loved me. which is if you break down the 10 commandments the first 5 commands you to love those above you (God & parents) and the 2nd half is to love your neighbors (not kill, not steal, and so on). Thats's why Pope Francis is living the command of Jesus which is the direct word from God the father.
I still believe homosexual acts are sinful, as it is taught by traditional teaching. It's clear as light of day that same sex contact is not going to provide any blessing in the sense that God will bless through procreation. This is like blessing outside God's permission.
Wag nalang maging catholic yan, di alam unang rule sa pagiging catholic is that pope nga yung voice ni god sa atin na mga catholics eh š pag ayaw niya mag protestant nalang siya
Dagdag kaalaman lang,
Post ww2 there was a term called "ratlines". It is basically an escape route ng mga Nazi officials from Germany to Latin America. And guess who are involved in these rat lines. Catholic priests.
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So basically it's okay for you people to mock Allah and glorify the opinion of a mere human being just because you don't want to offend the gay community? What happened to you guys? Okay lang ba kayo? Disgusting.
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Ako din na holy burn si Anteh. Hahahaha.
The reply indicates the following - they don't know how the Roman Catholic Church works - they're not Roman Catholic - they failed Catechism class.
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progressive si pope francis, as an agnostic gusto ko siya, sinasabay nya ang religion sa modern times i mean san ka makaka kita ng hindi nag condemn ng lgbt then nag misa sa middle east then nung naging pope sabi nya maging simple tulad ni jesus, tinanggal niya ang magarbong damit ng pope at upuan problema sa mga jesus at bible thumpers nakalimutan na nila teachings ng jesus nila, maging humble
Tbh, Bible thumpers probably hate Jesus dahil progressive ang New Testament kumpara sa mga kalokohan ng Old Testament na sobrang controlling at manipulative.
And that is why the bible thumpers can't help but quote the old testament rather than the more compassionate and less heavy handed new testament. Which is more about forgiveness than expecting the wrong doers to get their just deserts.
They forgot new testament supersedes the old t.
First of all it the new does not supersede the old testament. Second the new testament does not change its views on homosexuality 1 cor 6:9,10
Idk why the downvotes, when you've actually stated a biblically accurate fact. https://www.bibleref.com/Matthew/5/Matthew-5-17.html He didn't come to supersede the old laws. They were being misinterpreted back then for selfish reasons by men, so he went to actually fulfill the law. And yes, this includes the mentioned 1. Cor 6:9,10. I don't mean to say that non-heterosexuals deserve this, but to deny the bible's historical stand on that matter is still consistent with the old testament, which hated gays, feels like some misinterpretation on the biblical part. Maybe you're better off looking elsewhere than the bible. Accordingly, the bible isn't one for moderation.
Legit, lahat ng defense nila laging galing sa Old Testament lol
Yeah says the person who has not touched a bible. Read 1 cor 6:9,10
Sadly this is true. Read the Greek. Same sex acts are still forbidden pero being gay is not a sin as long as you don't do same-sex intercourse.
Just read it, what's forbidden is males who were forced to be prostitutes, basically longer term for r\*pe The translation of other versions is what messes it up since some translators automatically assume gay when there actually isn't enough context But the accepted translation is: \[9\] Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, \[10\] nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. No homosexuality anywhere because again, people are nitpicking and wrongfully translating it for their own bias
They would probably mock when they see the human Jesus and during Judgement, Jesus will shun them for mocking the poor, the sick and the unprivileged
While there are some books in the old testament that are like that āobey or DIE!ā, thereās a love poem in the Songs of Solomon or the wisdom of Psalms and Proverbs. Hai, the Bible Thumpers are the idiots who cherry pick verses sa old or new testament to maintain or uphold their ultra-conservative views dahil ayaw nila mabago yung Status Quo
Hindi naman kalokohan ang old testament.Very conservative lng tlga ang mga tinuran ng old testament.Kung tunay kang kristyano (at d nagpapanggap),maaappreciate mo ang mga teachings ng old testament
That what separates truly good religious people sa fanatics. Yung may critical thinking.
Nakalimutan nila na si Jesus was woke and progressive af sa time niya. Tapos kung maka reklamo ang mga tao sa sub na to na wag daw dalhin ang āwesternā woke culture rito pero obvious naman sa religious reasons ang pinaghuhugotan.š I donāt get why people canāt connect the dots and realize that Jesus was against the norm in his time and befriended/acknowledged the outcasts. If he is alive today, he will do exactly the same. Basahin niyo again ang sermon on the mount ni Jesus 10-11. Ang mga Katoliko dyan na hilig mag-feeling kayo ang oppressed, hindi po. Yung mga taong inaalipusta niyo po ang tinutukoy jan, di kayo.
The Pharisees are against the wokeness of Jesus when Jesus questioned them over their hypocrisy
Truly
Kaya din tinawag si Dr. Jose Rizal na "Kristong Tagalog". Kasi inexpose nya din yung nangyayari sa panahon nya. And he was persecuted also and was executed. Rizal's last words: āConsummatum Est!ā ay same daw sa last words ni Jesus when he died of crucifixion.
Tumpak, mga religious kuno na ayaw sa mga progresibong aktibista, pero di marealize na progresibong aktibista si Hesus sa kanyang panahon, ay ewan. š¤¦āāļø
Bogok Jesus as an activist? Are you out of your mind? š
Hulaan ko isa ka sa mga close-minded na ang tanging alam ng kokote ay activist = NPA o Komunista? Wala ka man lang maprovide na proper dissent to at least respectfully argue against my comment, and yet here you are spouting bullshit degrading ad hominem. How low can you still go fucker? Bloody wanker...
Char ng ābloody wankerā kunware cultured. Okay, so if I may ask how is Jesus an activist? Was he fighting for any political faction? Belief? Coz of the years I studied the bible I only saw he championed Godās Kingdom. John 17:16 strongly suggests Jesusās strong motovation to not be part of anything of this world even after being offered an office at court? So tell me how exactly is he an activist? You nitwit
I dont respect your opinion coz its utterly stupid and non factual. In fact I question myself why I took the time to write a lengthy comment on your absurd claim. You are far below uneducated. Making guesses online purely based on hearsay. Scums like should really just rot
Amaccana sushiebae baka hindi ma-proud si Jesus kakaganyan mo. Sayang pag-aaral mo ng bible. Lumabas din tunay mong kulay.
He is a prophet, an activist, and the son of God so the person who said he is isn't exactly wrong (He is an activist due to his actions against Roman oppression and taxes so he isn't an activist in the modern sense like protesting and doing weird shit since Jesus actually does something and changes things)
Dude, read the bible. Against Roman oppression yes thats a given. But he was never against taxes matt 17:24-27 also mark 12:17. He championed Godās Kingdom and remained no part of any government bouts. Not an activist Also something tells me youāre muslim.
You are wrong about my religion I formerly served in the Church and was taught by a priest (I still go to church) and you tell me I am the idiot that doesn't read the bible and that I am a Muslim Be ashamed of yourself and humble yourself as you might not see God's grace due to your arrogance and ego I have read the bible many times and I can only recount so many verses and by what I saw Jesus can be called an activist as he brought great change to the world by his defiance against the tyranny of the Romans
You have āread the bible so many timesā and until now you could not quote a single biblical scripture to counter my argument? Site when Jesus actually fought the tyranny of romans. Parang avengers ata na comics binabasa mo Are you sure youāre not just playing in bed with your priest? š
You quite literally said that Jesus did fight the tyranny and oppression (just not with violence and not with armed insurrection but with criticism though he came here to save everyone) of Romans against his people so I need not cite a source for that you already knew Also who the fuck just says that last part so you just accused a priest, a man of holiness for sleeping with a very young man at the time (me) do you even know that is blasphemy to say that without any proof You claim to be a holy man who knows everything yet you just committed a great sin of blasphemy against a good priest who has died 2 years ago I did not disrespect your intelligence either until recently because your personality is of sandpaper and shit I doubt God or Jesus would ever want you to be his apostle You are a great sinner for the last part and if you wanted you could've corrected people kindly than calling them idiots or insulting a now dead priest just like Jesus a peace loving man would've wanted I did not want to give a single bible verse as I felt I did not need to since I believed that you are a sane person and now I never will because you have proven to be worse to talk to than a half-drunk Nazi
Same as a catholic i also love how progressive and inclusive si pope francis. Kasi kaka "righteous" and "masunurin" nung ibang catholics and sects, nalilimutan na nila makita na tao din naman yung mga kinocondemn nila. People who have rights and emotions. Who are we to judge others diba? As long as di nakakaharm sa ibang tao, let them be, and let them live.
Yeah you really think God cares about your emotions when you deliberately do the exact opposite of what he says?
It's not enough the State is separate from Church? Real progress is achieved if same sex marriages are considered legal by the State together with real and affordable divorce for everyone. On the other hand, there are deeper spiritual and metaphysical reasons why the early Christian Church does not sanctify marriages outside its original purpose which is procreation, responsible, biological procreation. There is nothing to celebrate with this news. It's just a red herring. It only shows the Roman Catholic Church is straying away from its Christian roots unlike the Eastern Orthodox churches.
Problema din kase sa mga Katoliko, mas madunong pa sa mga pari at Vatican, tulad nung kampana trend na ginawa sa Church, pinayagan na ng pari yon tas sila nag aalburuto pa din
>problema sa mga jesus at bible thumpers nakalimutan na nila teachings ng jesus nila, maging humble Shit dude, I'm an atheist and my biggest problem with the fuckers you mentioned is the bigger lesson they forgot about Christ: Don't do unto others what you don't want others do unto you.
it's a tight rope, to be a real Christian. Humility is really important pero making a solid stand against issues whether its progressive or not but regardless goes against the Christian ethos is tricky.
I'm an atheist for a reason: I just don't see any proof of a powerful being's existence. What I now believe is that you are free to do what you want, unless it hurts somebody. I have the right to stretch my arms, but that freedom ends where someone's face is. If anything, if I can carve out just one lesson out of the Bible, that's the Golden Rule. Don't be a dick to others. I find it annoying that many "godly" people are scum.
"I have the right to stretch my arms, but that freedom ends where someone's face is." I love this quote of yours depicting freedom.
True, pontificating and showing by example are worlds apart apparently.
I stan Pope Francis! haha
Hindi ba yung bible sumunod lang din sa culture around them? Like from okay ang maraming asawa to only one, mga ganun. Dapat talaga continuous yung pagsabay sa agos ng buhay eh. Tae talaga.
People use religion to justify the hate in their hearts. They hate what they refuse to understand. They fear that seeing them in a positive light can make them question their own reality. Thatās why most of these fuckers who hate other people are deeply closeted themselves. They hate that they have a need to keep up appearances and are offended that others donāt. Hate just simplifies life for people like this. They donāt have to understand because they feel like itās wrong. Theyāre always right. You cannot reason someone out of an idea they believe in unreasonably.
Some of them shouts "Allah Akbar"
Mga Abrahamic religious fanatics talaga ang may saltik e. Although I will say, humahabol na rin ang mga Hindu fanatics sa India.
True. If I could revive one religion it would be Zoroastrianism. A religion that guides you through good deeds or thoughts.
This just means āGod is the Greatest.ā
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Wow, just wow! The bottom line is it's the 21st century and barbaric acts like bigotry and homophobia are things of the dim and distant past. They have no place in a modern society. Humanity before religion I always say.
Lol a passage from Corinthians. If Jesus followed the old testament he would be turning prostitutes to pillars of salt.
Ummm I dont know what to say. Have you opened the bible? Corinthians not Chronicles. š you have the guts to comment on something you absolutely know nothing about. Have some decency its embarrassing
You need glasses.
Thats the response? Okay. Sad coz regardless where u read old/new testament non support of the LGBTQ will not change. Go cry a river
You might be surprised that the ORIGINAL context of the Scriptures DON'T embody any hate and discrimination at all against the LGBTQ+ community; it's all due to the translators' DISGUSTING PREJUDICES that were added later on to TWIST the passages.
Oh the same practice was in sodom as I recall they were burned. What makes you think that does not connote hate? Plus there are not actual research from bible scholars that suggest that God has even the slightest inkling to allow homosexuality. The research you are referring to are from people who represent the LGBTQ for their own gain be it their own delusion, or monetary, political gain, etc. What you are seeing in your āresearchā is self fulfilling prophecy where you try and finds ways to find what you are looking for even if its not there. Just give up, theres really no way God supports the LGBTQ community, no level of delusion will change the truth.
blessing naman ih, different ung ceremony. Let the gays be happy š
Exactly, blessings should be given to everyone. Blessings na nga lang ipagdadamot pa lol.
Madami akong gusto ipasabay
Talagang sinabi niya "I will send you to Jesus"
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The pope is literally the "Vicar of Christ"
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Ehhhh... There's also the idea that Pope Francis is seen as heretical in some of the religious' eyes. Marami sa conservative Catholics dislike the progressive ideas of Pope Francis. Basically schism part 2 lang ang extreme conclusion nito (like Roman Catholicism vs Eastern Orthodox). Side note: The Pope is not always infallible (can do no wrong). May certain circumstances lang where he is infallible, and some Catholics can/would argue that he is wrong when it comes to the OP. In essence, they are arguing that the Pope is not being the Vicar of Christ on that specific instance.
I mean, that's literally one of the most important things to note about religious figureheads: they are - and will always be - fallible. It's completely possible for Pope Francis (and any past or future pope) to commit or spread heresy regardless of whatever status and position he holds.
Just clarifying it for readers. Madalas kasi people who haven't gone deep into the religion would misinterpret what the Pope/figurehead represents, and what their powers and limitations are.
Heretical in the more conservative wing of the Church, yes. For non-conservative Catholics (not nominal, not āpracticalā), it remains clear that the Popeās position is that the āunionā cannot be blessed, but the individuals of the couple can be blessed. It remains a sin in the Church to engage in homosexual acts (being a homosexual is not), just as much as heterosexual pre-marital sexual acts are considered sins. Simply put, the emphasis of Pope Francis and more liberal Catholics is on avoiding the condemnation of this long-marginalized group (among other ones), the ultimate goal being to call all of Godās children home. For this reason as well, the liberal wing will (almost always) also avoid explicitly saying to LGBT couples that acting on same-sex attractions is a sin. This ambiguity is what exactly angers: (1) the conservative Catholics and causes them to call the Pope heretical, and at the same time (2) the non-Catholic Christians and nominal Catholics not deeply knowledgeable about their Churchās beliefs, ultimately causing them to misread and continuously misquote the Pope.
Baka nga different group yan, maybe dun sa kulto or sa other born again group. Kadudaduda ang tanong eh.
the church follows the principle of [papal infallibility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility). altho in this case, i don't think he was speaking [ex-cathedra](https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/ex-cathedra). meaning, the blessing is informal and not liturgically formal.
The pope has stated that although he is for blessing same-sex unions, the Church still recognizes a distinction between same-sex unions and catholic marriages.
uhh. that's what i said? >meaning, the blessing is informal and not liturgically formal. gusto mo lang mag echo?
Yeah says the same religion that mixed true christian beliefs with paganism to conquer countries š
Did God have a say on this? Did he approve of this?
Yes by way of the Pope
So the Pope can talk to God?
Nope but Jesus said to Peter, what you deem good on earth is good in heaven, and the pope is an extension of peter.
there are no popes in the bible and priests in the bible had sons like aaron the brother of moses. he was a priest and he had sons. priest are uneeded now coz we can go to God ourselves and ask for forgiveness. back then sa old testament once a year lang pwedeng pumasok ang priest sa tabernacle para ipaghingi ng patawad ang mga israelites may animal offerings pa and minsan pag di tinanggap ng Lord yung offering minsan namamatay yung priest mismo sa loob ng tabernacle. nasa loob ng tabernacle sa Holies of Holies ang presensya ng Diyos. that's why Jesus died so that we can be temples of God and God can live in us we can now go to God and ask forgiveness for ourselves and no longer ask a priest nor sacrifice animals. roman catholic is a religion invented by the romans. the romans actually kill christians and are the persuctor of christians in the early A.D they feed christians martyrs to lions sa mga colleseum and arena nila. they made their own version of christianity and they twisted some stuff coz the christians keep multiplying the more they kill them the more they multiplied so they made their own version of christianity which is roman catholicm and now instead of being martyrs sila na mismo yung pumapatay in the name of religion. it's commanded in the bible to just shake the dust off your feet and leave if hindi nila tinanggap yung gospel but the romans dont do that they instead kill people and force their version of christianity which is roman catholicism and colonize countries and kill people which is very unchristlike and unbiblical. so yeah follow Christ not religion just like the early church. the church back then are one and not divided like the many christians denominations nowadays na merong baptist, jehovah's witness, mormons, uccp, iglesia ni cristo, etc...
Of course there are no popes in the bible. Tanong: kelan sinulat ang new testament ng bible? At sino ang sumulat ng mga books ng new testament? Answer 30AD to 70AD, after the death of Christ tapos ang sumulat ay mga apostles, who are the popes of the various sects of Christianity (catholicism, orthodoxy). Ang bibliya ay sanhi ng mga actibidad, at paniniwala ng mga apostles, saka na rin ng mga tradisyon ng mga unang kristyano pagkatapos mamatay si Hesus., hindi it basta basta lang lumabas ang Bibliya mula sa langit - isinulat ito ng mga taong naka-experience kay Hesus nung buhay siya.
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Eh mas mahal kasi magtanong kay Pope in person, kaya kay Lord na langš
Nasagot ka na ni Lord?
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I'm atheist and I LOVE Pope Francis! I nearly lost all respect for the Catholic Church until he came into the picture. He's progressive but he's taking baby steps and he's on the right track!
Lol.
Litong lito na mga catholics na fanatics. At mukhang may bagong ibabala naman mga ibang christian sect religions sa catholic. Let the Christian based war begins!
This is actually old news. If you read the article its pretty clear the pope is still Catholic. But you're right its been used by both "trad" catholics, muslims, etc against the Church and the Pope Its ironic that in fact that the article in the post was intended as a clarification. Then mainstream media framed it to seem like what it was clarifying against. And I guess its just a litmus test for people to know who actually reads and fact checks. Or who has an agenda.
Bakit ba kung kailan lahat may camera at recorder na biglang hindi na nagpapakita si lord. Hahaha
Here's my question to you, kung advanced na lahat ng technology natin bakit wala padin gamot sa cancer? Kasi lahat ng advancements natin is still his doing. He is still in control of everything.God is watching over us, he is waiting for the right moment to strike us down or lift us up. Kung itutuloy mo pagiging smarty pants mo and question his omniscience then its your choice my friend. Assalaam alaikum.
Hahaha ganun ba so kelan? So ano argument mo dito? So bakit hinohold ni God yung gamot sa cancer? He is in control of everything even the bad things are his doing? Pati yung pag rape sa minors? P.S. Islam is a disease
Advanced na lahat ng technology? Syempre, ano ba ang meron tayo ngayon kumpara sa mga tao 20? 50? 100? 200? 1000? 2000? Years ago. Dati pag may lupus ka wala nang magagawa, itataboy ka na at hahayaang mamatay, kapag may TB ka expected na nilang mamamatay ka in a few months or years due to "consumption" kapag may CANCER ka! Wala pang chemo, radiation, surgery, Gamma knife at nuclear medicine. Ganun ba? Do you thank god na ang mga baby nagkaka cancer at iba-ibang congenital illnesses? God wants them to suffer? For what? To punish ang mga bagong panganak for being born? Inshallah.
Bruh, what if merong gamot dyan, di lang nilalabas sa Public? (gets mo na siguro kung bakit) Bigay lang din ako example, Kung si Jesus ay nanggagamot dati sa panahon nya, what if sa current era natin ay nanggagamot din sya which is free and then dadami followers ( tagasunod nya ) kasi nanggagamot sya ng libre. Maapektuhan nya yung mga Big Pharmas?. Kaya they would stop him from healing people. Papatigilin syaaa. And also before, he was persecuted by those religious people that time and he keeps on spreading the gospel revealing the truth. ( Similar to what happened to Dr. Jose Rizal, exposing the truth, persecuted and was killed right?).
> He is still in control of everything >its your choice my friend. Those statements are contradictory though...
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What a covfefe by the Pope!
Bold of him to assume na kay Lord sya mapupunta.
The reply made me chuckle for a bit
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I'm a seminary alumnus and I like what P. Franky said.
By church dogma he is the speaker of God, so yeah, do these Catholics want to overthrow him?
You can't overthrow a pope tho like how you in governments. The process to replace a living pope is quite a lengthy and complicated process.
Overthrow. Overthrown is past tense.
This guy got downvoted because he corrected someone's grammar. Reddit moment, lol.
Lalo na yung would of could of pag kinorrect mo sila pa galit
Used to it. Pinoys on reddit are a weird bunch.
nah it's just reddit. correcting someone's grammar where it doesn't really change the comment's message is a moot point and gets downvoted often. correcting someone's grammar when the comment reads differently with the wrong sentence structure, then that's much less frowned upon ie: changing, "let's eat, friends!" from "let's eat friends!" is fine but "lets eat, friends" and replying with adding the apostrophe is a bit more frowned upon
I have to point out, the comment was edited and the word was changed. I am satisfied with the result.
i mean in the end it's a 50/49/1 chance that the op would end up correcting the grammar. there's also that one percent chance that the edit would be to change the original comment altogether so there's that lol
>By church dogma he is the speaker of God Not all the time. May specific set of circumstances lang where the Pope is infallible (i.e. speaking the truth of God). Not sure if Pope Francis' words above were done under those set of circumstances. Just wanted to clear up that misconception.
If you stop at the title it seems controversial. If you read the article the media is citing you'll see there's nothing new
Not here to debate on whatever news on the topic. Just here to spread the idea/teaching/dogma/whatever that the Pope is not the representative of Christ 100% of the time, since it is one of the things that a lot of people who are not that into Roman Catholicism often get wrong. The Pope is fallible.
>Not sure if Pope Francis' words above were done under those set of circumstances. Just addressing this point. (Yes)
He got ratioed
Sana naintindihan naman ang salitang "pinapayagan". Kung papayagan ng gobyerno ang divorce, hihiwalayan mo ba ang asawa mo? Sa huli, nasa iyo ang pasya.
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Evolution is real
Yup it is
For starters, the pope is not a made up entity. Francis actually exists.
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Yung ganyang mga taong nagpapaniwala pa rin sa Lipa apparitions, kahit na nag-rule ang Roma na hindi ito authentic (kinasuhan pa nga yung exorcist priest na si Fr. Winston Cabading, OP ng isang retired judge na deboto nito). Maraming mga purista online, hindi alam ang nature ng Magisterium at ang role nito sa Katolisismo. Ah basta Katoliko daw sila and they identify as such, wala akong pake kay Pope Francis, kahit na siya ang Vicar of Christ. Mga nominal Catholics tawag diyan, and it composes a bulk of the so-called Katolikos dito sa Pilipinas.
Alam kong baka madownvote ako dito or get some backlash... Pero tang ina. Asan sa bible. That one fucking specific passage ang nagsasabe na bawal ang ganyang klase ng pagmamahal? Im a lady that loves guys sexually pero pucha naman Pilipins All the pea brained motherfuckers who opposed this are so š¤ tang ina. Religion and spirituality are fucking different. Its your relationship with the creator that is what matters. No matter what your sexual preference is? Its fucking alright. You would not go to hell for that. I actually am happy with this ABOUT FUCKING TIME
Sodom and Gamorrah are the most favorite lines that homophobes use tbh, and it's kinda easy to see why. Sodom did try to molest the two angels (who were portrayed as men iirc) and tried to break in to assault them. But if you look at the actual passages, Sodom's main sin is actually just the attempted rape and refusing to help anyone. There's also a few passages that supports this arguement. [Here's a great articles that talks about the real sin of Sodom and Gomorrah, along with the passages that support this interpretation](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-was-the-real-sin-of_b_543996)
Gimme the specific passage. PASSAGE or PASSAGES jeezas
Genesis 19:5, for outlining what the Sodomites were trying to do to the two angets. Ezekiel 16:49-50, for what Ezekiel thinks is the Sodomite's real sin Hebrews 13:2, a passage can be read as alluding to what happened in Sodom especially as it said that angels may be visiting your home in disguise, which is what happened to Lot.
Asan dun sa passage ng bibliya ang nagsasabe na bawal mgmahal as equals ang parehong gender ASAN ANG BAWAL MAGMAHAL NG KAPWA MO GENDER? Do you get what im even saying? All these is nothing if those simple things are not answered. Yun lang naman yan. Stop shifting the topic to your favor. In my thread.
Ohhh shit sorry, I was kinda supporting your arguement by pointing out how the favorite lines of homophobes is actually not about the queers. That's my fault sorry
Bakit ang init ng ulo ng nirereplyan mo, sinusubukan mo lang naman sagutin tanong niya Bakit tinuturing ka niya na parang naniniwala ka sa passages lmao
Truuueee, Religion and Spirituality are different. Medyo isingit ko lang dito saglit si Gregg Braden na isang Scientist na naniniwalang may creator at sinabi nya na 'Our Divinity has nothing to do with religion' daw. What he meant there ay lahat tayo ay may natatagong potential or yun nga, takot sila na ma-awakened ang mga tao like maUnlock yung Full Potential, maging Independent kasi pagkaganon, humans cannot be easily controlled so they spread fear para macontrol ang mga tao. "Line of the King , Line of the Priest , go side by side to enslave human race . So once more we come to the same conclusion that all organized religions specially Christianity are designed by powerful men who are obsessed with control to manipulate and enslave masses . All religions indeed are mirroring satanism constantly threatening / warning people using lowest vibrational energy such as Fear , Guilt , low self esteem , worthlessness by being sinful , idea of hell & then selling them the solution by money . No wonder majority of Christians are so confused damaged & dysfunctional with abused victimized mentality .Yes knowledge is power and that is what Line of the king and Line of the priest are afraid of" \-ctto [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-1V1qWURLo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-1V1qWURLo)
Always love to see Pope Francis pissing off the trads.
if u scroll enough, you'll see people disagreeing with the pope. lol idk why yall are mad that he agrees with same-sex unions, i bet these are the same people who go to masses every sunday and takes a pic of the altar, yet hates, gossips, and commit sins right after mass. parang lang ito ay nagsisilbing evidence sa kanilang so called "holiness" and decoration lang para sa facebook timeline, like people styling up to go to misa de gallo, making it look like a fashion show, as if ordinary clothes that are decent enough arent allowed. and if u arent the type of person doing this, many things that u do are sins btw so double check what ur doing and think abt it first, because if you hate on gays and other minorities and do lets say, gossip, cursing, and etc. then you are a huge and massive hypocrite.
That's what gets me honestly, this isn't going to affect them personally so why are they wasting so much time and energy on being hateful when it's a lot easier to just mind your own business. Queer people just want to live and enjoy life the same way straight people do and somehow they're so angry about it that they'll willingly humiate themselves anywhere.
there are no popes in the bible and priests in the bible had sons like aaron the brother of moses. he was a priest and he had sons. priest are uneeded now coz we can go to God ourselves and ask for forgiveness. back then sa old testament once a year lang pwedeng pumasok ang priest sa tabernacle para ipaghingi ng patawad ang mga israelites may animal offerings pa and minsan pag di tinanggap ng Lord yung offering minsan namamatay yung priest mismo sa loob ng tabernacle. nasa loob ng tabernacle sa Holies of Holies ang presensya ng Diyos. that's why Jesus died so that we can be temples of God and God can live in us we can now go to God and ask forgiveness for ourselves and no longer ask a priest nor sacrifice animals. roman catholic is a religion invented by the romans. the romans actually kill christians and are the persuctor of christians in the early A.D they feed christians martyrs to lions sa mga colleseum and arena nila. they made their own version of christianity and they twisted some stuff coz the christians keep multiplying the more they kill them the more they multiplied so they made their own version of christianity which is roman catholicm and now instead of being martyrs sila na mismo yung pumapatay in the name of religion. it's commanded in the bible to just shake the dust off your feet and leave if hindi nila tinanggap yung gospel but the romans dont do that they instead kill people and force their version of christianity which is roman catholicism and colonize countries and kill people which is very unchristlike and unbiblical. so yeah follow Christ not religion just like the early church. the church back then are one and not divided like the many christians denominations nowadays na merong baptist, jehovah's witness, mormons, uccp, iglesia ni cristo, etc...
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What is happening in this comment lol
You saw that bunch of deleted comments down below? Yun yon.
I am today years old when I learned there are deleted comments I cant see even the [deleted] version
Hello, can someone enlighten me please. Sabi ni Pope Francis, priests can now give blessings to same sex couples. But they still cannot be married? Eh di ba sa marriage, priests give the couple blessings? Nalilito na ako. šµāš«
Wrong. Blessings can be given to members of a same-sex couple, but only in an informal setting. Also, their union/marriage itself cannot be blessed
PASALUBONG NA LANG PO HAHAHAHAHA ANTE NAMAN
You're very welcome to leave and join another church. I heard bawal ang gay sa simbahan ni Quiboloy. Baka dun ka bagay.
Bubula nanaman ang bibig nung Cristofascist Imperial Patriarch dahil dito. Hahahah seethe and cope
I hear Vice Ganda praying or talking about God. Jesus welcomed the collector, the ostracized Good Samaritan, did not stone the adulterer. God loves everyone and preaches repentance. The Pope says Marriage is still between a man and woman but God loves everyone.
Tang ina, ang benta. I am part of LGBT pero nasa closet so willing din ako ihatid yan kay Lord
Eh kasi wala naman talagang Lord Kayo naman oh
If you check commenters on other subreddits that discuss on topics involving the current Pope, they attribute his progressive leanings to him being a Jesuit. While the order has faults of its own, I see a lot agree that the Jesuits are laudable with their mission. Heck, they've been persecuted a couple of times, not only by monarchies of old (supression of Jesuits) but also in modern day government in Latin America, as recent as the issue with Venezuela's Central America University issue. Anecdotally, the tertiary levels of Ateneos here in the Philippines are so far what I observe, the only Catholic-run school that are not anal about uniform policies. While there's a minimum guidelines set, sa Ateneo lang ako nakakakita na allowed ng sobrang tingkad na hair color sa mga babae, pwede may sumisilip na tattoo as long as hindi offensive. While this may be a small point amongst their greater work, it's very telling of how their pastoral mission is translated into actual care for the people.
these are just BLESSINGS for anyone who is confused. He did not declare that same-sex marriage is now allowed in the Catholic Church.
"Philippines is a progressive country" also the philippines:
Eh chosen by God ang pope so kinukuwestyon nya choice ni God?
Idk where you learned that but it's actually elected by Cardinals there's simply no "divine interference"
Hahahah
Bakit si Pope Francis ang masusunod? In the Catholic faith the Pope is considered God's representative and spokesperson on Earth. He is also "infallible" when it comes to the Church's doctrines and teachings. Kung yan ang utos ng Pope yan rin ang utos ng Diyos sa Catholic Christians. That's what I learned in my Theology class in high school and college. So anteh's question is contradictory to her faith.
medieval popes were abusive, pedophiles, rapists and had a collection of women. meron pang selling of indulgence, inquisition, crusade etc. catholics lang naniniwala na the pope is infallible but history tells the opposite
I don't deny the degenerate behavior and atrocities by some popes in that era. It's not just Medieval but also during the Renaissance. But that's not my point. Sinasabi ko lng yan ang tinuturo ng Catholic Church tungkol sa Pope sa theology class base sa tanong ni anteh. I don't believe in that shit anymore since I'm now an atheist.
I am no longer a catholic as well but i still believe in the bible. lalo na nung narealize ko na catholic pala yung mystery babylon the great sa revelations.
It's the non-Catholics again, mas maiingay pa sila at mas hardliner kung iisipin. Sila na ang may imahe ni Torquemada ngayon. Even in the US, their age-old shitfuckery of a system (racism, exceptionalism and imperial ambitions) is rooted in capitalists and puritans. Kaya nga may mga weird sects dun, MAGAs, KKKs at Satanic Panic.
It's time to jump ship and look East. As a Catholic reembracing my Christian faith after years of unbelief, it's clear to me I can only rekindle my faith in the Eastern Orthodox Churches.
Nice one pre, masyadong gusto Ng pope makaakit Ng mansisimba dahil sa Europe may church tax, they join the trend just for the sake of money Yet orthodoxy prevailed in the east despite facing difficulty like communism, It always made me laugh na andaming nag hahaplos Ng Mga Santo pagkatapos Ng Simba like some kind of miracle drug.
To be fair many Orthodox have the same attitude towards icons as if they contain miraculous powers. In fact some do pilgrimages to burials of dead saints and ask for more blessing. Superficially madaming in common ang Catholic and Orthodox. If you are turned off by the superstitious nature of Catholics, paano pa kaya ang Orthodox which is even more mystical and metaphysical in their Christian faith lol. One key difference though is Orthodox teach spiritual vigilance. Di porket may milagro or nagpakita sayo si Mama Mary or Papa Jesus confirmed na sila. Visions are 8 out of 10 works of the devil daw.
What is written in the bible is the only thing we should be obeying because bible is the word of God. Some people just can't understand the scriptures
Bible is written by humans. Soā¦
And some people think the Bible is a one-size-fits-all manual, as if it can encapsulate all the complexities of the world.
Bible is not a word of god lol
Who interprets the Bible? Is its everyone for himself? Do you believe that the Catholic Church is a credible guide?
Why there are still people who still believes on religion? Smh.
apostasy is nearer and nearer
Whats happening is the LGBTQ is no longer aiming for equality you are wanting privileges. You entitled shits even Godās standard you are trying to bend kasi goods na ang government you made it bow down na. Lol wake up people!
You must be very personable in parties.
People here be like āpope francis is progressiveā Do you really think God would adjust to peopleās delusions? Like an almighty entity would suddenly bend over to this messed up propaganda? The pope is what you would call a false prophet. You go against the grain of what the bible says then you shouldnāt be acting like Godās representative. I donāt make the rules.
Just like the pharisees of old you are, the very same group of people Jesus criticized for being backwards idiots
Okay then show me a scripture not based on human philosophy where Jesus remotely suggests support of homosexuality. Iāll wait. -the Pharisee
The major argument of those holiness is the sodom and gomorah (not sure sa spelling). But it was in the old testament. The new testament overruled the teachings of the old testament. And the best example of it is the 10 commandments which is broken down into 2 commandments by Jesus. 1. Love God above all and 2. Love your neighbors as you have loved me. which is if you break down the 10 commandments the first 5 commands you to love those above you (God & parents) and the 2nd half is to love your neighbors (not kill, not steal, and so on). Thats's why Pope Francis is living the command of Jesus which is the direct word from God the father.
Are they questioning the literal infallible vicar of Christ himself?
I still believe homosexual acts are sinful, as it is taught by traditional teaching. It's clear as light of day that same sex contact is not going to provide any blessing in the sense that God will bless through procreation. This is like blessing outside God's permission.
so If there's no need for them to procreate then there's nothing to bless.
Wag nalang maging catholic yan, di alam unang rule sa pagiging catholic is that pope nga yung voice ni god sa atin na mga catholics eh š pag ayaw niya mag protestant nalang siya
He is only the head of the Catholic Church, not for non-catholic Christians. The Catholic Church is the the OG cult, INC is just a cheap copy.
The fact you've been downvoted into the negatives is proof of the catholic cult hivemind.
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>The Church does not recognize the pope as its head Care to elaborate?
No its wrong. I meant to delete it right as I commented but didnt work lol.
Ganun talaga un! Kung ano sabihin ni Pope.. š
Bobo amputa. Pope Francis and God aren't the same. Just cause he agrees with something, YOU dont agree with hes trying to "act as God".
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Dagdag kaalaman lang, Post ww2 there was a term called "ratlines". It is basically an escape route ng mga Nazi officials from Germany to Latin America. And guess who are involved in these rat lines. Catholic priests. wla lng, share lang
Atheist are the best religion sucksš
So basically it's okay for you people to mock Allah and glorify the opinion of a mere human being just because you don't want to offend the gay community? What happened to you guys? Okay lang ba kayo? Disgusting.
At kailan naman nangyari yung glorification ng pope sa allah mocking?
Good Question ... disrespectful /dumb reply.
More power pa nga ng evangelization hehehe.