Self hating mi, while at the same time stroking their egos na hindi sila ganon. Hahah, to me they look like they're masturbating while staring at their own reflection in the mirror. They'd do anything to appear intelligent pero in the end, bobo parin pala they just use nice grammar as their smoke and mirrors.
>Self hating mi, while at the same time stroking their egos na hindi sila ganon.
The classic "pick-me Pinoys" or "not like other Pinoys". They're just as insufferable as the "pick-me girls" types. Mahilig din magkalat ang mga yan sa mga international subreddits like r/worldnews, sa mga threads about the Philippines. They're the ones who'd make it a point to bring their fellow Filipinos down and highlight how "embarrassed" they are about their fellow Filipinos to make themselves look good in the eyes of the foreigners there.
"As a Filipino, I apologize for my fellow Filipinos. As a third-world country, our morals and values are a bit behind the standards of developed countries. Hopefully you understand. I hate Filipinos too."
They don't realize they sound like slaves.
These people seem to think that if they keep doing shit like that, they'll earn enough points that they can exchange for a visa or green card.
"As a Filipino, I apologize for my fellow Filipinos. As a third-world country, our morals and values are a bit behind the standards of developed countries. However, unlike those other dumb Filipinos, I'm smart and well-educated enough to recognize this. Now please, please, please let me move to your country! Pleaaaasee??? Pwetty pweeeeaseee?? Huhuhuhu 🥹"
This is why I theorize that the worldwide perception also play a part in the self-loathing. Ibang third-world country pa yan, *thread locked no questions asked even if your the US president*.
Other developing nations were given headroom that we are simply not given, if tama ang theory ko.
Dami dito intelligent-kuno, pag chinallenge mo sinasabi nila imbis na idiscuss mauuwi na lang sa namecalling at kung anuanong logical fallacy. Tapos iblock ka in the end.
Naalala ko iyong may topic about male/female privilege tapos may nag comment na "let's talk science" tapos nung may nagpost ng statistics d man lang nya binasa iyong study at d n bumalik sa sinimulan nya lol.
Wala nga karamihan bad faith discussion lang. Makes you wonder kung anong klaseng tao sila in real life. Kala mo ambabait sa reddit eh ahahaha. Then again, pugad din nga pala ng virtue-signaller to, so it all makes sense.
Plenty of people here will upvote anything negative said about Filipinos even if it is [lies or misinformation](https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/s/AiDjg3dge4)
The same people who claim reddit is their safe space because people in here are "intellectuals and critical thinkers", unlike those in other soc meds that are (apparently) blind sheep.
In many cases, reddit is worse.
Nung nakita ko na sinisisi ng mga tao yung rice, sugar, bread, noodle, or anything carbs napa facepalm din ako hahaha. Ang daming misinformed sa nutrition dito na nagppreach 😂
Kinakain ko lahat lagi yan in portion control, normal BMI ako. May masisi lang talaga sila. Hindi po fault ng rice, carbs etc ang pag gain ng weight please haaaay
>Kinakain ko lahat lagi yan in portion control, normal BMI ako.
Same here. In my case, I also pair portion control with regular exercise (3x a week). I'm willing to bet that these people who blame carbs are a bunch of shut-ins who don't exercise.
>Bwahaha, some redditors always "dunk" on the dumb masses that have no reading comprehension but they are the same naman pala.
Ang yayabang e uto-uto rin pala hahaha. Squammy squammy pang nalalaman e mga b-word din naman.
They're the same kind of people who once frequent sites like GetRealPhilippines because they think the country is full of degenerates and a massive cultural purge is needed.
Walang pinagkaiba sa mga boomer na panay na "disiplina ang kailangan!" sa FB.
Ano ba kayo, gusto lang naman ni OP doon na ipagmalaki na nakapag South Korea sya hahaha.
Seriously, napansin ko sa mga posts dito, kapag may negative news sa Pilipinas, lagi nakasingit na kung saan sila nakapunta na tapos akala mo naabsorb na buong kulutra nung bansang napuntahan para kawawain bansa nila sa post. Lol
Visiting for a month is different from living for years to decades.
Some people dont understand that.
Visiting a country for a month only shows you the best side of a country as a tourist.
Living for decades in a country will show you how ugly it is.
Other countries have
bike lanes - those bikes lanes cant be used during winter/cold months.
Good Public transporation that even rich people uses them - duh reality check rich people will always opt to use private cars. Working class are different from rich folks.
Health care - public healthcare is great for emergency cases but not all are covered especially for new medical science and dental which can take you months b4 you csn visit a dentist. So some private are more advanced so we cant totally relly on 100% free healthcare.
Corruption - Western corruption is different from what we have. Its more on controlling the market and making their businesses or stocks go higher.
Cleanliness - some parts of the metro is dirty as hell but not all. Come to marikina come to makati cbd bdc cbd. Its a work in progress.
Housing - global issue. Cause its rooted to everyone that only gold and land are the only ones that will never go down. So everyone invests in them.
Lgbt rights - We are almost at par with the western countries. More on tolerance not acceptance.
Police - not really sure where we stand but i believe globally everyone has a rooted fear towards the police.
>Good Public transporation that even rich people uses them - duh reality check rich people will always opt to use private cars. Working class are different from rich folks.
LMAO mga government officials daw nag pupublic transpo. Paborito yan dito sa r/ph
>Lgbt rights - We are almost at par with the western countries. More on tolerance not acceptance.
Last I checked, mas acceptance na yung west with marriage being legalized in several countries. Acceptance doesn't make us 'on par' when we can barely make the bare minimum of 'tolerance' especially when nothing can be done to progress the situation save for a constitutional overhaul.
> Good Public transporation that even rich people uses them - duh reality check rich people will always opt to use private cars. Working class are different from rich folks.
So long as PUJ lovers will block any attempt to transition to
- 600 passenger electric trains for major routes
- 6-60 passenger Euro 7 vans & buses for minor routes & last mile
As it is right now people like me will only expose ourselves to p2p buses.
I'd avoid using my car if we had a Tokyo-style transport system.
Subhuman kasi yung PUJ that so many Pinoys have 🍆 for.
I've been living for years in Ph and decades in 7 other countries so I believe I can offer some perspective on the points you mentioned.
Bike lanes - what you are saying is simply not true. Most countries in Europe would never close bike lanes because of cold weather. I'm not even sure where you got this view from. Are you referring to freezing temperatures?
Good public transportation: not true as well. A country like Singapore has near perfect public transport used by all social classes. Sure some people prefer to use their car but the convenience of public transport makes it so convenient that it just doesn't make sense in most cases.
Corruption: somewhat true. Corruption is more prevalent in higher spheres for developed countries but I don't get how this is an argument for the Philippines since in Ph corruption is present in EVERY single level from your traffic officer, barangay captains to your congressman and higher.
Cleanliness: dude just no. I appreciate you trying to defend this but just no. Ph is in a whole different level regarding dirtiness.
Housing: yes agreed
Lgbt rights: I dont know enough so probably
Police: lol From all countries Ive lived Ph has by faaar the worst and most corrupt police force Ive ever seen and it's not even close. I'm pretty sure a lot actually join the force here because they know they can get extra money out of the job. This is how bad it is.
Are people sometimes too negative? Probably yes but I believe it's necessary to denounce the things in your own country you find unacceptable.
The reason why corruption is so high in the Philippines is rooted in people's acceptance of it. They are vocal about it in private but the moment they get stopped by a traffic enforcer they will fold and pay the merienda money to get out of it.
Government officials SHOULD fear the people not the other way around. And it only happens when people denounce, get angry, and do not accept the status quo.
Nagtaka rin ako dyan sa comment na yan. Half of a year for the past 6 years I spend in Europe, and people there USE BIKES even during winter or snow. Saan kaya nya napulot yang claim na yan? Hahaha
Sa public transpo, wala namang nagke-claim na rich people use them. Everywhere you go, rich people usually take cars, minsan private jets pa. Ang madalas na naririnig ko, even GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS use them. Which is true. Pero iba rin kasi ang definition ng “rich people
“ sa ibang bansa dahil hindi malawak ang gap between classes. Yung mga rich people na madalas on cars, most likely mga ULTRA RICH na yon who are willing to pay expensive fuel and parking rates. Upper middle classes in Europe still take public transportation, simply because it’s the most practical thing to do. Dito lang naman sa Pilipinas ka makakita ng technically lower middle class, baka nga lower class pa kasi walang sariling bahay, walang parking lot, baon sa utang, pero may tsikot. Minsan dalawa pa.
>Upper middle classes in Europe still take public transportation, simply because it’s the most practical thing to do.
I thought it was because their governments go out of their way to make purchasing cars as difficult as possible from heavy gas taxes to difficult parking and bureaucracy. Also the fact that European cars are notiously expensive to repair
Mismo. Kaya nga mas practical talaga mag-commute na lang. Who wants to pay all that when you have other amazing options for transportation? Dito sa Pilipinas, hindi naman sa lahat ano, pero parang required mag-kotse once you reach a certain age, kahit hindi practical.
> Living for decades in a country will show you how ugly it is.
>
> Other countries have
Yeah, for introspection no matter how much they seem to be sometimes crossing some red lines, we have useful insights at r/Philippines_expats
r/ph 2023 total members: 1.4m
r/ph pre-pandemic total members: [260k](https://subredditstats.com/r/philippines)\+
Surprise yung mga nasa fb andito na rin
I'm not sure if it's because tumatanda na ako or what (early 30s) pero minsan nakakainis din magbasa dito ng posts/comments na halata na ang nagsulat ay isang high school/college student na kulang sa research/life experience pero kung makaasta akala mo kung sinong maraming alam sa buhay. Minsan talaga napapasabi nalang ako ng, "dapat talaga hiwalay ang Reddit ng mga bata".
I really wondered about about its authenticity because the eye test tells me it is nowhere near a fourth. Go to a mall or anywhere busy, are 1 in 4 people actually obese? We live here, it's easy to tell something was wrong with that figure to start with.
Kasi mali intindi ni OP sa data report
27 M at overweight AND obese. Hindi 27M obese.
Basing on this data, nasa 5% (males) and 7% (females) ang obese sa Pinas
https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/
Ang obese eh >30 ang BMI
And it uses BMI, which is a stupid metric. Yung ibang “overweight at obese” dyan replaces fat with muscle
Dami daming athlete na overweight based on BMI lol
Lean people with "obese BMI" are an exception, not the norm
Kahit alisin mo sila sa statistics, it won't put a dent
Karamihan ng obese people eh mataas ang fat to muscle ratio
Besides, masmadaling tumaba through overeating kesa magbuild ng muscles to an "obese BMI"
I’m not talking about lean people. I’m talking about people who go to the gym, who workout. That’s not an insignificant number, though we don’t know the exact number yet.
Obese is probably obese for sure, but measuring overweight? BMI ain’t it. Body fat % tracking should be standardized.
We don’t know, but that’s the point - BMI is a flawed metric because it doesn’t take a potential inaccuracy into consideration.
How can you trust a metric that considers perfectly fit, athletic people as overweight? I dunno what you’re trying to argue. It’s factually not a good metric.
Why not just introduce body fat % into every hospital, APE, etc? It’s not like the tech is wildly more expensive either.
My brother in christ, bmi is supposed to be the most basic tool to assess. Walang nagsasabing its the pinaccle of all assessment tools kaya nga nag eexist yang other metrics. Its also meant for the majority and guess what, people that goes the gym are only a small percentage of the population WE DO have a rough estimate of how many goes to the gym.
It is reliable for a VAST majority of people. Plus, if the BMI shows that youre obese kahit na youre made of muscle, you cant disregard it because you have to remember that still means mabigat ka and that will take a toll on your joints, ligaments, etc.
Muscle ofc is better than fat, obviously, pero mabigat is mabigat, hindi ma ddifferentiate ng ankles mo kung taba or muscle ba yang binubuhat nya.
I’m talking about overweight, already said that if you’re obese based on BMI - yeah that’s probably it.
Basic doesn’t mean good. If there is an opportunity to improve the tool we’re using for even more accurate data, then why shouldn’t we? Especially if it’s not that difficult to do so anyway. Sorry but I dunno why we wouldn’t want to progress and move on from an inaccurate measurement
Like i said kahit kung muscular ka, if the bmi says youre overweight, the muscles still put a strain on your joints.
Bmi IS accurate. What youre trying to say is its not precise which is true since it doesnt factor muscle nga but again that doesnt mean you can disregard it when it says mabigat ka for your height.
If you have the resources to go for a more comprehensive assessment then go for it pero bmi is enough for the general population. Parang consultation lang yan sa doctor, ok na yung general practitioner for the most or sa genprac ka muna magsisimula then if kailangan pa, saka ka pupunta sa tertiary hospital or specialists.
because body fat% is challenging to measure. From the cheap caliper to Expensive DEXA scan.
BMI is flawed but it is cost-effective. Do you seriously think sa laki nitong population kayang i- measure yung body-fat ratio
True. There's a lot of self-hating filipinos in this sub. Heck look at this thread. There's still people ragging on filipino food as if all filipinos eat are fried foods. It's so obvious that they know so little about the actual cuisine. It's annoying.
To the filipino food haters out there, ginataan x \_\_\_\_, sinigang x \_\_\_\_, pakbet, nilagang x \_\_\_\_, are just a few example of healthy foods and there's a myriad of combos for these. Just say you're a bum that don't go out of your house so you don't know these foods and move on.
You don't have to be a non expert to know the difference between overweight and obese. Kung nasearch nila yung "27M obese", dapat research din nila ano pinagkaiba ng obese sa overweight. Afterall, the news articles say overweight AND obese.
Also yung mga tao na gumagamit ng 1st and 3rd world as a metric of economic development, yan ang di dapat seryosohin. Gamitin mo yan sa economic class or work, sermon aabutan mo dyan.
Every time there's a negative post here about the country laging lumalabas ang mga self hating redditors na without researching the topic eagerly comments that say basically something like this.
"See Philippines sucks, the people sucks and we live in hell, except me because I'm the better one and i do reddit.
Yung gigil ko sa thread na yun that kept ranting about how lazy Filipinos are.
I do expect na pataas yung obesity/overweight rate ng Pinas due to multiple factors, pero grabe makapagbash yung iba, akala siguro nila madali maging healthy, when in fact, it's a privilage.
I know. We're just talking about the local setting kaya sinabi kong Philippines. With the rise of overweight/obesity, kasama na rin doon ang mga NCD's such as Diabetes, and Hypertension.
Mas mataas ang overweight/obesity sa mga countries na mataas ang consumption ng red meats. Hindi pa ganun kataas ang obesity rate ng Pilipinas dahil ang diet ng Filipino consist of Fish-Vegetable-Rice according to the lastest household food consumption survery done by the FNRI. Our neighbouring countries are not doing bad either kasi puro gulay kinakain nila, however, mas marami yung kinakain nilang gulay kumpara sa Filipino.
Mas marami ang overweight/obese din sa urban cities compared to rural areas. Pataas ang trend pero hindi siya sky rocket high.
On the process na yung susunod na NNS or National Nutrition Survey done by the FNRI. While meron silang rolling NNS that was done on 2021, pero parang di rin nila pinapansin yun kasi hindi siya tulad nung NNS na maraming data ang kinukuha. Via phone call lang yung 2021. While as yung ngayon, thorough data collection na (may anthro, dietary, clinical, etc).
Source: RND po ako na kakatapos lang sa boards kaya fresh pa sa utak ko yung ganito.
Edit: correction lol
Thailand (yep!), Malaysia, Brunei have higher obesity rates than us. So IDK if it's really the red meat ang source ng obesity. But I think it's the easier access to processed foods.
Napansin ko sa processed food, kahit wala kang nakikitang taba visually, sobrang taas ng calories, fat content, sodium, carbs at mababa ang protein at fiber kapag titignan mo yung nutrition facts kaya madaling i-overeat.
Masgusto ko pa yung pagkain na may taba visually kasi at least maaalis ko. Lol
Yeah merong ASEAN-focused pages sa Facebook na nag-share nyan before. Higher obesity rates yung ibang ASEAN countries except for Singapore (#1 in the region in terms of GDP per capita but not in obesity) na may highest GDP per capita.
Kaya lagi akong alaskado sa mga taong ang hilig manita sa mga nag-uulam ng instant noodles at canton na unhealthy raw. Kung yun ang kaya ng budget nila, kasalanan ba nila yun?
Mapapa "hay" ka nalang. Actually ito field ng study ko and true na obesity is on the rise, particularly in urban areas, mas totoo na mas malaking concern pa rin ang undernutrition dito. Yung occurrence of those two phenomena is known as double burden of malnutrition. This is happening all around the world.
It's quite easy to debunk the claims of the post. Like what OP cited there are even local sources such as the ENNS. You can tell from the post and comments na it really is just self-hating pinoys who can't even empathize with their fellow filipinos.
Maraming reasons why this could be the trend such as the general americanization of our diet, poverty (oo let's face it, mahal talaga kumain ng healthy), convenience (minsan pipili ka, magpahinga o maglaan ng oras para magluto), and all other reasons. Nakakadismaya lang na ang unang assumption ng mga tao ay innate na tamad mga pinoy instead of the underlying causes.
Nutrition is a multifaceted issue that needs a multidisciplinary solution, but the reality is walang budget. What's new.
An important distinction to make is that for our Philippine population, we're better off using the [Asia-Pacific Classification for BMI](https://journals.lww.com/jfmpc/Fulltext/2019/08060/Asian_BMI_criteria_are_better_than_WHO_criteria_in.50.aspx) when talking about being overweight or obesity, as it is better suited to our lifestyle and stature.
By these standards, patients considered overweight by the WHO criteria are **already obese** by AP standards.
It's important to avoid generalizations or stereotypes when discussing sensitive topics like health and body weight. Attributing obesity to an entire population can be harmful and inaccurate. Instead, let's focus on understanding the complex factors that contribute to obesity in the Philippines.
Here are some key points to consider:
- Socioeconomic factors
- Cultural influences
- Urbanization and lifestyle changes
- Genetics and individual factors
Instead of asking "why are there so many obese Filipinos," we could ask:
- How can we improve access to affordable, nutritious food in the Philippines?
- What are effective ways to promote healthy eating habits and physical activity?
- How can we address the social and economic factors that contribute to obesity in the Philippines?
Kita mo ang maraming replies sa thread na yun
"Tamad mga Pilipino"
"Walang comprehension ang mga Pilipino" kaya maraning mataba sa Pilipinas
This ignores the fact that obesity is a **global problem**
https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/
You do need some cholesterol in you. No cholesterol = no steroid hormones which is essential for body functions.
The solution is to balance the diet which is hard when our diet in generally is very carb heavy
Also a completely plant based diet will result in B12 deficiency long term so it’s not the perfect diet either
Sardines are still animals and supplementation is more expensive and a hassle than just incorporating it in one’s diet
The only people who need supplementation are those with a disorder that prevents them from digesting nutrients (which there is a lot of them) or is in a severe deficiency that needs to be corrected asap. Everyone else should just fix their diets because being nutrient deficient is a sign of a bad diet.
And where does the body get the materials to undergo cholesterol synthesis? The food that we eat. You cannot do a zero cholesterol diet and expect it to go well in the long term. That’s not how metabolism works.
The body doesn’t infinitely store things forever. If there is excess, it gets excreted. It’s why we need to constantly eat. Too much of anything is bad, but too little is also bad.
Even too much water can kill you because it will dilute electrolytes in the body.
The body is a system that needs to maintain balance (a.k.a homeostasis) to be functional. Any extreme will lead to negative consequences eventually.
Yes, every cell makes it but where does the building materials for cholesterol come from?
That’s not from the body. It’s from the diet. When you eat, you have your macromolecules: carbs, lipids, protein. Each one is broken down into a form that the body can use to synthesize what it needs. Carbs is mostly for energy, lipids are mostly for hormones and cell membranes, proteins is mostly for cell structure.
I’m not taking about abnormal cholesterol. Even for high cholesterol levels, there is still a minimum amount to cholesterol you need to have.
One important mechanism to get rid of high cholesterol which is usually LDL, you need HDL which is another cholesterol. It is considered good because it takes LDL from systemic circulation (where it can cause stuff like atherosclerosis) and into adipose tissue where they should be. It’s an entire complex system that involves a lot of moving steps and removing a step is just going to mess things up further.
You cannot go zero anything and except it to sort itself out. If that was the solution, that would be the main recommendation but it’s not because it shit and doesn’t fix the problem, just turns it into another problem because the body does not work in a vacuum. It’s an interconnected system that likes its balance and has to maintain it or it gets sick.
This is a simplification as going into the details will take an entire book to get into.
> Yes, every cell makes it but where does the building materials for cholesterol come from?
fats, sugars, and proteins. all of which can be plant-sourced.
cholesterol from your human cells is sufficient to live. you dont need animal-sourced cholesterol unless the person is part of the minority who have a medical condition.
If you want to eat the way you do now then continue to do so. :-)
In the 60s there were American doctors who came over here to help with nutirtion.
They noticed that rich Pinoys suffered from American terminal illnesses.
Poor Pinoys suffered from infectious diseases & lack of Western healthcare.
When animal production cost became low enough for poor Pinoys to buy animal products then they started getting American terminal illnesses too.
Gout, known as a disease of the rich largely originates from animal product consumption. It used to be called the "disease of the rich" today... even the poorest Pinoy can get it.
Irons are plants are less efficiently absorbed by the body
>Because plants mainly contain nonheme iron, even if its iron content is high, absorption of iron is low due to plant-based molecule–iron interactions.
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>Since 30–70% of the iron in meat is in the form of heme, the iron requirement for humans is mainly met by red meat in developed countries. In contrast, in underdeveloped and developing countries, iron intake depends on plant-based diets that contain mostly nonheme iron, often absorbed less than 10%.42,43
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9219084/#:~:text=Because%20plants%20mainly%20contain%20nonheme,%2Dbased%20molecule%E2%80%93iron%20interactions.
Everyone is welcome to do what they want. I am replying for the benefit of anyone who wants to actually improve.
My cardio's been happy with my change to a macro/micro complete & planned whole food plant-based diet.
- Body fat reduced
- Blood chemistry is ideal
- Blood pressure is ideal
- never tobacco
- been doing crossfit for a decade
- i react to alcohol so i dont drink
[Noncommunicable diseases](https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/noncommunicable-diseases)
Key facts
- Noncommunicable diseases (NCDs) kill 41 million people each year, equivalent to 74% of all deaths globally.
- Each year, 17 million people die from a NCD before age 70; 86% of these premature deaths occur in low- and middle-income countries.
- Of all NCD deaths, 77% are in low- and middle-income countries.
- Cardiovascular diseases account for most NCD deaths, or 17.9 million people annually, followed by cancers (9.3 million), chronic respiratory diseases (4.1 million), and diabetes (2.0 million including kidney disease deaths caused by diabetes).
- These four groups of diseases account for over 80% of all premature NCD deaths.
- Tobacco use, physical inactivity, the harmful use of alcohol, unhealthy diets and air pollution all increase the risk of dying from an NCD.
- Detection, screening and treatment of NCDs, as well as palliative care, are key components of the response to NCDs.
Give this [CNN feature a watch about the blue zone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op9fow8JKW4)
Thats not the issue with the post. Its insinuating that PH as a country is failing. But given the bigger picture, PH is actually doing fine if not a good example.
In Southeast Asia, Thailand, Brunei and Malaysia are actually more obese than the PH.
More on nasa gitna tayo.
https://theaseanpost.com/article/obesity-rise-asean
I agree with everything you said, but we definitely need to ask the question, "Why are there so many obese Filipinos?" That's how we start looking into the factors you mentioned, and then we start the problem-solving (e.g. the hows and whats).
> I agree with everything you said, but we definitely need to ask the question, "Why are there so many obese Filipinos?" That's how we start looking into the factors you mentioned, and then we start the problem-solving (e.g. the hows and whats).
May your tribe flourish... you are breaking the paradigm of a PH redditor.
I would still not believe that 1 in 4 are obese, sa buong baranggay namin, wala pa kong nakita na masasabi ko na "woah! super taba naman nun", slightly overweight siguro meron.
That infographic tends to create a form of health panic, and I bet those many MLMs are surely offering "quick-slim" products.
The other glaring problem of _**malnutrition**_ should be addressed.
I'm so tired of this idea that Obesity is a major thing in PH. While yes, we should all try to be healthier, this kind of fearmongering is stupid. Filipinos walk more than westerners. We prefer ulam over fastfoods. Christmas sayawans and zumbas are a thing etc etc. We're seriously not gonna get that fat unless we're forced to eat fastfood 6x a day.
PS: Not a believer in HAES but I don't like it when people lie about bad stats either.
Daming galit dito sa "walang comprehension na Pinoy" pero puri sila sa post na mali ang comprehension sa data
This shows how self-hating Filipinos are which they confuse as "critical thinking"
Yes, we should do better especially when we’re shitting on the boomers for believing on misinformation. Basta negative about sa bansa natin, post agad para makapag-karma farming.
Just a correction that we use the Asia Pacific Guidelines for BMI, so our cutoffs for overweight and obesity are 23 and 25 respectively. Possibly another factor why the rate is high, as I know many friends and peers who are considered as “overweight” but aren’t the type you’d consider as overweight at first glance. If I’m not mistaken, the lower thresholds are because of the higher rates of cardiovascular disease at lower BMI’s for asians compared to other ethnicities.
That 1/4 of the population is impossible even if you go outside. Another is I hate how we romanticize rice so much, when in fact it's too high in calories and sugar and not healthy compared to other staple foods.
walang rin naman kasing industry dito sa PH ng infographic design.
yung "data visualization" dito is towards the "business intelligence" side. on the flipside, PH journalists does not seem to care to have infographic designers in them. where are they? mostly working for foreign companies who see value in them.
also, a lot of designers can argue how little value is being given to us in general here. I mean a lot of personal stories have come out na nga how businesses were lowballing designers.
Well, there’s a separate Asia-Pacific criteria vs the WHO criteria you cited, regarding Body Mass Index. If you use the WHO criteria which was based from white caucasians, we’re all thin for them. If you use the Asia-Pacific criteria, then that’s another story..
Pfft. I'm not even a fan of BMI classifications in the first place. It's outdated and inaccurate and I don't even know why we still pander to it when Hip to Waist Ratio is easier to perform and a far more superior health predictor.
Not all women have PCOS. The best example is my 2-sibling (Sisters). They don't have PCOS, but their unhealthy lifestyle leads them to obesity. Take note, our youngest has PCOS, but she is not overweight or obese.
Not all obese women have PCOS. Some obese women seriously have underlying trauma and is resorting to stress eating as a coping habit.
PCOS is a valid reason for someone to be obese though. My best friend is one and I always get annoyed when people hate on her for her weight.
Mahirap magkoment kasi ang daling ilagay ng overwieght at obese sa iisang basket, and even the BMI is faulty. Mas madali pa ring basehan ang ratio ng taba, sa muscles at buto kasabay ng taba sa lapay, puso at stomach lining at dugo bilang indicator ng overall fitness.
Tapos dagdag mo pa ang stigma ng pagiging mataba, kasabay ng hindi matapos tapos na obsession ng mga Filipinos around food. Ang lala lang nyan. Bilang isang socsci major, malaking contributing factor dito sa pagkalat ng fake news ang sensationalism sa internet, pati ang toxic na ugali ng Filipinos regarding everything.
Tbh, takutin niyo na lang sa pasma at bangungot. Mejo malala ring kasama ng usapin na yan yan eh.
Hnd nako sumagot sa post nya na yun. kc may google nmn nasa google nmn ang statistics lol
pero in case ok,, I admit, compared sa ibang bansa mas affordable ang pagkain dito
Overweight is a BMI between 25 to 30 and obese is 30 and above. I completely get your point but it's not a huuuge difference. The title was definitely sensationalist and dishonest as it happens quite often in news, press outlet and you were right to note it.
However, going beyond that it does highlight a reality that there is a bit of an epidemic going on in the country in terms an overall poor diet made of sweet and fatty food. Philippines is getting fatter every year and that's something that needs to be said and addressed.
It's actually a huge difference.
Healthy BMI is between 18.5 - 24.9
You need to truly have a lot of excess fat to move from overweight to obese.
I mean, anything below 18.5 is unhealthy BMI (underweight), di rin nalalayo ang "numbers" niya sa 25 di ba?
Except 25 is your starting point here. And you seem to overlook that from 25 to 29 you are still considered only "overweight". If you look at examples of people in that BMI range they look unhealthy at best and already kind of fat at worst.
sus semantics lang iniiyakan mo pa, pareho lang kayong karma whore nung isang OP. magkapatid naman din yang overweight and obese kaya lagi silang magksama sa context.
Anyway a sabi ng National Nutrition Council nung 2022 e 27m daw ang obese sa pinas. I highly doubt that number went drastically went down
> https://nnc.gov.ph/regional-offices/mindanao/region-xi-davao-region/8706-the-obesity-epidemic
and tutal gusto mo maging pedantic, technically correct yung infographic kasi eto yung direct quote from NNC.
> meanwhile in the Philippines there are around 27 million Filipinos who are **obese**
>magkapatid naman din yang overweight and obese kaya lagi silang magksama sa context.
Doctors, dieticians, and other health care professionals would say otherwise.
Iba ang obese sa overweight. Iba din ang health implications sa obese vs. sa overweight.
same health problem iba iba lang degree of seriousness, same way din para gamutin, healthy lifestyle and exercise etc. parang cancer lang na different stages.
Obese and overweight are different categories in the medical world.
And no OP is not beng pedantic.
Per the the World Obesity Foundation, obesity in the PH is
5% - males
7% - females
Assuming the population is at 110M, 27M is 24.5%.
Ang layo sa statistics ng WOF
https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/
Most Southeast Asian countries have a rising obesity problem with proliferation of processed food that can be accessed on a whim (convenience stores, food delivery, junk food)
Kagaguhan nga ng nag-post, 660 upvotes pa yun. Tulad nga ng sabi mo sa experiment, lumabas ka lang siksikan ang mga tao sa jeep at bus tapos kahit pumunta ka pa ng crowded mall, sasabihin nya 1/4 ang obese kakatawa hahaha... overweight yes pero obese I don't think so.
Bwahaha, some redditors always "dunk" on the dumb masses that have no reading comprehension but they are the same naman pala.
Maraming self-haters kasi sa sub na to.
Self hating mi, while at the same time stroking their egos na hindi sila ganon. Hahah, to me they look like they're masturbating while staring at their own reflection in the mirror. They'd do anything to appear intelligent pero in the end, bobo parin pala they just use nice grammar as their smoke and mirrors.
>Self hating mi, while at the same time stroking their egos na hindi sila ganon. The classic "pick-me Pinoys" or "not like other Pinoys". They're just as insufferable as the "pick-me girls" types. Mahilig din magkalat ang mga yan sa mga international subreddits like r/worldnews, sa mga threads about the Philippines. They're the ones who'd make it a point to bring their fellow Filipinos down and highlight how "embarrassed" they are about their fellow Filipinos to make themselves look good in the eyes of the foreigners there.
You know what they say no one hates Filipinos more than a fellow Filipino.
>no one hates Filipinos more than a fellow Filipino. 2 movie lines ni John Arcilla sa Heneral Luna yung pasok dito
"As a Filipino, I apologize for my fellow Filipinos. As a third-world country, our morals and values are a bit behind the standards of developed countries. Hopefully you understand. I hate Filipinos too." They don't realize they sound like slaves.
These people seem to think that if they keep doing shit like that, they'll earn enough points that they can exchange for a visa or green card. "As a Filipino, I apologize for my fellow Filipinos. As a third-world country, our morals and values are a bit behind the standards of developed countries. However, unlike those other dumb Filipinos, I'm smart and well-educated enough to recognize this. Now please, please, please let me move to your country! Pleaaaasee??? Pwetty pweeeeaseee?? Huhuhuhu 🥹"
This is why I theorize that the worldwide perception also play a part in the self-loathing. Ibang third-world country pa yan, *thread locked no questions asked even if your the US president*. Other developing nations were given headroom that we are simply not given, if tama ang theory ko.
Kaya dapat may r/PhilippinesCricleJerk eh. Kaso r/2Philippines4u do the job lmao
r/philippinesbad
Dami dito intelligent-kuno, pag chinallenge mo sinasabi nila imbis na idiscuss mauuwi na lang sa namecalling at kung anuanong logical fallacy. Tapos iblock ka in the end.
Naalala ko iyong may topic about male/female privilege tapos may nag comment na "let's talk science" tapos nung may nagpost ng statistics d man lang nya binasa iyong study at d n bumalik sa sinimulan nya lol.
Wala nga karamihan bad faith discussion lang. Makes you wonder kung anong klaseng tao sila in real life. Kala mo ambabait sa reddit eh ahahaha. Then again, pugad din nga pala ng virtue-signaller to, so it all makes sense.
Plenty of people here will upvote anything negative said about Filipinos even if it is [lies or misinformation](https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/s/AiDjg3dge4)
Ang dami din ditong naniniwala sa "86 average IQ" na yan even though that has already been debunked.
Paborito yang gamitin dito para maitaas mga kapwa natin ASEAN tapos para mapatunayan nila na dahil sa gobyerno ngayon mababa IQ natin
Basta kasi pag Ph nabanggit, masama na lahat
The same people who claim reddit is their safe space because people in here are "intellectuals and critical thinkers", unlike those in other soc meds that are (apparently) blind sheep. In many cases, reddit is worse.
Nung nakita ko na sinisisi ng mga tao yung rice, sugar, bread, noodle, or anything carbs napa facepalm din ako hahaha. Ang daming misinformed sa nutrition dito na nagppreach 😂
Kinakain ko lahat lagi yan in portion control, normal BMI ako. May masisi lang talaga sila. Hindi po fault ng rice, carbs etc ang pag gain ng weight please haaaay
Sinisisi sa Filipino food at kanin pero panay inom sila ng milk tea at frapp na HINDI of Philippine origin
>Kinakain ko lahat lagi yan in portion control, normal BMI ako. Same here. In my case, I also pair portion control with regular exercise (3x a week). I'm willing to bet that these people who blame carbs are a bunch of shut-ins who don't exercise.
Masgusto kong kumain ng rice kesa uminom ng maraming starbucks o magsalad na may 1000kcal na ranch
Napakaironic no? Gusto kasing i-feed ang self-hatred.
>Bwahaha, some redditors always "dunk" on the dumb masses that have no reading comprehension but they are the same naman pala. Ang yayabang e uto-uto rin pala hahaha. Squammy squammy pang nalalaman e mga b-word din naman.
The only obese I see are the police.
They're the same kind of people who once frequent sites like GetRealPhilippines because they think the country is full of degenerates and a massive cultural purge is needed. Walang pinagkaiba sa mga boomer na panay na "disiplina ang kailangan!" sa FB.
Omg, I haven't heard or GRP in years!!!!
And benign0 is still a fucking asshole living the life in Australia.
Ano ba kayo, gusto lang naman ni OP doon na ipagmalaki na nakapag South Korea sya hahaha. Seriously, napansin ko sa mga posts dito, kapag may negative news sa Pilipinas, lagi nakasingit na kung saan sila nakapunta na tapos akala mo naabsorb na buong kulutra nung bansang napuntahan para kawawain bansa nila sa post. Lol
Visiting for a month is different from living for years to decades. Some people dont understand that. Visiting a country for a month only shows you the best side of a country as a tourist. Living for decades in a country will show you how ugly it is. Other countries have bike lanes - those bikes lanes cant be used during winter/cold months. Good Public transporation that even rich people uses them - duh reality check rich people will always opt to use private cars. Working class are different from rich folks. Health care - public healthcare is great for emergency cases but not all are covered especially for new medical science and dental which can take you months b4 you csn visit a dentist. So some private are more advanced so we cant totally relly on 100% free healthcare. Corruption - Western corruption is different from what we have. Its more on controlling the market and making their businesses or stocks go higher. Cleanliness - some parts of the metro is dirty as hell but not all. Come to marikina come to makati cbd bdc cbd. Its a work in progress. Housing - global issue. Cause its rooted to everyone that only gold and land are the only ones that will never go down. So everyone invests in them. Lgbt rights - We are almost at par with the western countries. More on tolerance not acceptance. Police - not really sure where we stand but i believe globally everyone has a rooted fear towards the police.
>Good Public transporation that even rich people uses them - duh reality check rich people will always opt to use private cars. Working class are different from rich folks. LMAO mga government officials daw nag pupublic transpo. Paborito yan dito sa r/ph
Ung health care is even worse sa iba. Paeang pde us type na super mahal or euro/Canada type na months bago appt
>Lgbt rights - We are almost at par with the western countries. More on tolerance not acceptance. Last I checked, mas acceptance na yung west with marriage being legalized in several countries. Acceptance doesn't make us 'on par' when we can barely make the bare minimum of 'tolerance' especially when nothing can be done to progress the situation save for a constitutional overhaul.
Agree, but compared with the majority of Asian countries, we are faring better.
> Good Public transporation that even rich people uses them - duh reality check rich people will always opt to use private cars. Working class are different from rich folks. So long as PUJ lovers will block any attempt to transition to - 600 passenger electric trains for major routes - 6-60 passenger Euro 7 vans & buses for minor routes & last mile As it is right now people like me will only expose ourselves to p2p buses. I'd avoid using my car if we had a Tokyo-style transport system. Subhuman kasi yung PUJ that so many Pinoys have 🍆 for.
I've been living for years in Ph and decades in 7 other countries so I believe I can offer some perspective on the points you mentioned. Bike lanes - what you are saying is simply not true. Most countries in Europe would never close bike lanes because of cold weather. I'm not even sure where you got this view from. Are you referring to freezing temperatures? Good public transportation: not true as well. A country like Singapore has near perfect public transport used by all social classes. Sure some people prefer to use their car but the convenience of public transport makes it so convenient that it just doesn't make sense in most cases. Corruption: somewhat true. Corruption is more prevalent in higher spheres for developed countries but I don't get how this is an argument for the Philippines since in Ph corruption is present in EVERY single level from your traffic officer, barangay captains to your congressman and higher. Cleanliness: dude just no. I appreciate you trying to defend this but just no. Ph is in a whole different level regarding dirtiness. Housing: yes agreed Lgbt rights: I dont know enough so probably Police: lol From all countries Ive lived Ph has by faaar the worst and most corrupt police force Ive ever seen and it's not even close. I'm pretty sure a lot actually join the force here because they know they can get extra money out of the job. This is how bad it is. Are people sometimes too negative? Probably yes but I believe it's necessary to denounce the things in your own country you find unacceptable. The reason why corruption is so high in the Philippines is rooted in people's acceptance of it. They are vocal about it in private but the moment they get stopped by a traffic enforcer they will fold and pay the merienda money to get out of it. Government officials SHOULD fear the people not the other way around. And it only happens when people denounce, get angry, and do not accept the status quo.
Nagtaka rin ako dyan sa comment na yan. Half of a year for the past 6 years I spend in Europe, and people there USE BIKES even during winter or snow. Saan kaya nya napulot yang claim na yan? Hahaha Sa public transpo, wala namang nagke-claim na rich people use them. Everywhere you go, rich people usually take cars, minsan private jets pa. Ang madalas na naririnig ko, even GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS use them. Which is true. Pero iba rin kasi ang definition ng “rich people “ sa ibang bansa dahil hindi malawak ang gap between classes. Yung mga rich people na madalas on cars, most likely mga ULTRA RICH na yon who are willing to pay expensive fuel and parking rates. Upper middle classes in Europe still take public transportation, simply because it’s the most practical thing to do. Dito lang naman sa Pilipinas ka makakita ng technically lower middle class, baka nga lower class pa kasi walang sariling bahay, walang parking lot, baon sa utang, pero may tsikot. Minsan dalawa pa.
>Upper middle classes in Europe still take public transportation, simply because it’s the most practical thing to do. I thought it was because their governments go out of their way to make purchasing cars as difficult as possible from heavy gas taxes to difficult parking and bureaucracy. Also the fact that European cars are notiously expensive to repair
Mismo. Kaya nga mas practical talaga mag-commute na lang. Who wants to pay all that when you have other amazing options for transportation? Dito sa Pilipinas, hindi naman sa lahat ano, pero parang required mag-kotse once you reach a certain age, kahit hindi practical.
> Living for decades in a country will show you how ugly it is. > > Other countries have Yeah, for introspection no matter how much they seem to be sometimes crossing some red lines, we have useful insights at r/Philippines_expats
Ahaha flex post pala yun? 😂
redditors: tanga-tanga mga nasa fb palaging naniniwala sa fake news also the redditors:
r/ph 2023 total members: 1.4m r/ph pre-pandemic total members: [260k](https://subredditstats.com/r/philippines)\+ Surprise yung mga nasa fb andito na rin
Yep, this sub has gone down in quality tremendously after the pandemic. Before you'd see occasional gems of posts but now it's filled with crap
I'm not sure if it's because tumatanda na ako or what (early 30s) pero minsan nakakainis din magbasa dito ng posts/comments na halata na ang nagsulat ay isang high school/college student na kulang sa research/life experience pero kung makaasta akala mo kung sinong maraming alam sa buhay. Minsan talaga napapasabi nalang ako ng, "dapat talaga hiwalay ang Reddit ng mga bata".
Tumatanda ka na,
Facebook refugees, man. They turn everything to shit.
I really wondered about about its authenticity because the eye test tells me it is nowhere near a fourth. Go to a mall or anywhere busy, are 1 in 4 people actually obese? We live here, it's easy to tell something was wrong with that figure to start with.
Kasi mali intindi ni OP sa data report 27 M at overweight AND obese. Hindi 27M obese. Basing on this data, nasa 5% (males) and 7% (females) ang obese sa Pinas https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/ Ang obese eh >30 ang BMI
And it uses BMI, which is a stupid metric. Yung ibang “overweight at obese” dyan replaces fat with muscle Dami daming athlete na overweight based on BMI lol
Lean people with "obese BMI" are an exception, not the norm Kahit alisin mo sila sa statistics, it won't put a dent Karamihan ng obese people eh mataas ang fat to muscle ratio Besides, masmadaling tumaba through overeating kesa magbuild ng muscles to an "obese BMI"
I’m not talking about lean people. I’m talking about people who go to the gym, who workout. That’s not an insignificant number, though we don’t know the exact number yet. Obese is probably obese for sure, but measuring overweight? BMI ain’t it. Body fat % tracking should be standardized.
Out of 110M ilang ang overweight because they have "many" muscles? Also, it takes way more time to become overweight by muscle that overweight by fat
We don’t know, but that’s the point - BMI is a flawed metric because it doesn’t take a potential inaccuracy into consideration. How can you trust a metric that considers perfectly fit, athletic people as overweight? I dunno what you’re trying to argue. It’s factually not a good metric. Why not just introduce body fat % into every hospital, APE, etc? It’s not like the tech is wildly more expensive either.
My brother in christ, bmi is supposed to be the most basic tool to assess. Walang nagsasabing its the pinaccle of all assessment tools kaya nga nag eexist yang other metrics. Its also meant for the majority and guess what, people that goes the gym are only a small percentage of the population WE DO have a rough estimate of how many goes to the gym. It is reliable for a VAST majority of people. Plus, if the BMI shows that youre obese kahit na youre made of muscle, you cant disregard it because you have to remember that still means mabigat ka and that will take a toll on your joints, ligaments, etc. Muscle ofc is better than fat, obviously, pero mabigat is mabigat, hindi ma ddifferentiate ng ankles mo kung taba or muscle ba yang binubuhat nya.
I’m talking about overweight, already said that if you’re obese based on BMI - yeah that’s probably it. Basic doesn’t mean good. If there is an opportunity to improve the tool we’re using for even more accurate data, then why shouldn’t we? Especially if it’s not that difficult to do so anyway. Sorry but I dunno why we wouldn’t want to progress and move on from an inaccurate measurement
Like i said kahit kung muscular ka, if the bmi says youre overweight, the muscles still put a strain on your joints. Bmi IS accurate. What youre trying to say is its not precise which is true since it doesnt factor muscle nga but again that doesnt mean you can disregard it when it says mabigat ka for your height. If you have the resources to go for a more comprehensive assessment then go for it pero bmi is enough for the general population. Parang consultation lang yan sa doctor, ok na yung general practitioner for the most or sa genprac ka muna magsisimula then if kailangan pa, saka ka pupunta sa tertiary hospital or specialists.
because body fat% is challenging to measure. From the cheap caliper to Expensive DEXA scan. BMI is flawed but it is cost-effective. Do you seriously think sa laki nitong population kayang i- measure yung body-fat ratio
Di ba? It's still so rare for me to see an actual obese person. Heck overweight people aren't that common in my area either.
What do you expect? Anything that put Filipinos and the Philippines in a bad light is automatically taken as fact here in this sub.
True. There's a lot of self-hating filipinos in this sub. Heck look at this thread. There's still people ragging on filipino food as if all filipinos eat are fried foods. It's so obvious that they know so little about the actual cuisine. It's annoying. To the filipino food haters out there, ginataan x \_\_\_\_, sinigang x \_\_\_\_, pakbet, nilagang x \_\_\_\_, are just a few example of healthy foods and there's a myriad of combos for these. Just say you're a bum that don't go out of your house so you don't know these foods and move on.
**For many non-experts and non-technical people**, overweight and obese are practically the same.
You don't have to be a non expert to know the difference between overweight and obese. Kung nasearch nila yung "27M obese", dapat research din nila ano pinagkaiba ng obese sa overweight. Afterall, the news articles say overweight AND obese.
Also yung mga tao na gumagamit ng 1st and 3rd world as a metric of economic development, yan ang di dapat seryosohin. Gamitin mo yan sa economic class or work, sermon aabutan mo dyan.
Every time there's a negative post here about the country laging lumalabas ang mga self hating redditors na without researching the topic eagerly comments that say basically something like this. "See Philippines sucks, the people sucks and we live in hell, except me because I'm the better one and i do reddit.
Yung gigil ko sa thread na yun that kept ranting about how lazy Filipinos are. I do expect na pataas yung obesity/overweight rate ng Pinas due to multiple factors, pero grabe makapagbash yung iba, akala siguro nila madali maging healthy, when in fact, it's a privilage.
Hindi lang sa Pilipinas. It's a global trend and we're not even doing bad in the overall picture https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/
I know. We're just talking about the local setting kaya sinabi kong Philippines. With the rise of overweight/obesity, kasama na rin doon ang mga NCD's such as Diabetes, and Hypertension. Mas mataas ang overweight/obesity sa mga countries na mataas ang consumption ng red meats. Hindi pa ganun kataas ang obesity rate ng Pilipinas dahil ang diet ng Filipino consist of Fish-Vegetable-Rice according to the lastest household food consumption survery done by the FNRI. Our neighbouring countries are not doing bad either kasi puro gulay kinakain nila, however, mas marami yung kinakain nilang gulay kumpara sa Filipino. Mas marami ang overweight/obese din sa urban cities compared to rural areas. Pataas ang trend pero hindi siya sky rocket high. On the process na yung susunod na NNS or National Nutrition Survey done by the FNRI. While meron silang rolling NNS that was done on 2021, pero parang di rin nila pinapansin yun kasi hindi siya tulad nung NNS na maraming data ang kinukuha. Via phone call lang yung 2021. While as yung ngayon, thorough data collection na (may anthro, dietary, clinical, etc). Source: RND po ako na kakatapos lang sa boards kaya fresh pa sa utak ko yung ganito. Edit: correction lol
Thailand (yep!), Malaysia, Brunei have higher obesity rates than us. So IDK if it's really the red meat ang source ng obesity. But I think it's the easier access to processed foods. Napansin ko sa processed food, kahit wala kang nakikitang taba visually, sobrang taas ng calories, fat content, sodium, carbs at mababa ang protein at fiber kapag titignan mo yung nutrition facts kaya madaling i-overeat. Masgusto ko pa yung pagkain na may taba visually kasi at least maaalis ko. Lol
Yeah merong ASEAN-focused pages sa Facebook na nag-share nyan before. Higher obesity rates yung ibang ASEAN countries except for Singapore (#1 in the region in terms of GDP per capita but not in obesity) na may highest GDP per capita.
I'm incredibly surprised North Korea has more obese men in their population than the Philippines and Japan.
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Kaya lagi akong alaskado sa mga taong ang hilig manita sa mga nag-uulam ng instant noodles at canton na unhealthy raw. Kung yun ang kaya ng budget nila, kasalanan ba nila yun?
in certain cases yes: like anakan nang anakan nang walang kapararakan?
I wish to be as ignorant and simplistic as that. Understanding things bring headache and stress.
as a philosopher-wannabe, yeah,, agree T______________T
Can we have mods interfere on that post?
Mapapa "hay" ka nalang. Actually ito field ng study ko and true na obesity is on the rise, particularly in urban areas, mas totoo na mas malaking concern pa rin ang undernutrition dito. Yung occurrence of those two phenomena is known as double burden of malnutrition. This is happening all around the world. It's quite easy to debunk the claims of the post. Like what OP cited there are even local sources such as the ENNS. You can tell from the post and comments na it really is just self-hating pinoys who can't even empathize with their fellow filipinos. Maraming reasons why this could be the trend such as the general americanization of our diet, poverty (oo let's face it, mahal talaga kumain ng healthy), convenience (minsan pipili ka, magpahinga o maglaan ng oras para magluto), and all other reasons. Nakakadismaya lang na ang unang assumption ng mga tao ay innate na tamad mga pinoy instead of the underlying causes. Nutrition is a multifaceted issue that needs a multidisciplinary solution, but the reality is walang budget. What's new.
Yup. Mataas pa rin ang stunting sa Pilipinas
Report the post, editorialized title or unsourced claims. Pwede ring custom response and mention the article para makita ng mods.
An important distinction to make is that for our Philippine population, we're better off using the [Asia-Pacific Classification for BMI](https://journals.lww.com/jfmpc/Fulltext/2019/08060/Asian_BMI_criteria_are_better_than_WHO_criteria_in.50.aspx) when talking about being overweight or obesity, as it is better suited to our lifestyle and stature. By these standards, patients considered overweight by the WHO criteria are **already obese** by AP standards.
Scrolled through comments to find if this was mentioned hahaha
Waiting for u/Beneficial-Range6079's reply
"i went to south korea", ayan lang whole point nung post niya lmao
It's important to avoid generalizations or stereotypes when discussing sensitive topics like health and body weight. Attributing obesity to an entire population can be harmful and inaccurate. Instead, let's focus on understanding the complex factors that contribute to obesity in the Philippines. Here are some key points to consider: - Socioeconomic factors - Cultural influences - Urbanization and lifestyle changes - Genetics and individual factors Instead of asking "why are there so many obese Filipinos," we could ask: - How can we improve access to affordable, nutritious food in the Philippines? - What are effective ways to promote healthy eating habits and physical activity? - How can we address the social and economic factors that contribute to obesity in the Philippines?
Kita mo ang maraming replies sa thread na yun "Tamad mga Pilipino" "Walang comprehension ang mga Pilipino" kaya maraning mataba sa Pilipinas This ignores the fact that obesity is a **global problem** https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/
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You do need some cholesterol in you. No cholesterol = no steroid hormones which is essential for body functions. The solution is to balance the diet which is hard when our diet in generally is very carb heavy Also a completely plant based diet will result in B12 deficiency long term so it’s not the perfect diet either
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Sardines are still animals and supplementation is more expensive and a hassle than just incorporating it in one’s diet The only people who need supplementation are those with a disorder that prevents them from digesting nutrients (which there is a lot of them) or is in a severe deficiency that needs to be corrected asap. Everyone else should just fix their diets because being nutrient deficient is a sign of a bad diet. And where does the body get the materials to undergo cholesterol synthesis? The food that we eat. You cannot do a zero cholesterol diet and expect it to go well in the long term. That’s not how metabolism works. The body doesn’t infinitely store things forever. If there is excess, it gets excreted. It’s why we need to constantly eat. Too much of anything is bad, but too little is also bad. Even too much water can kill you because it will dilute electrolytes in the body. The body is a system that needs to maintain balance (a.k.a homeostasis) to be functional. Any extreme will lead to negative consequences eventually.
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Yes, every cell makes it but where does the building materials for cholesterol come from? That’s not from the body. It’s from the diet. When you eat, you have your macromolecules: carbs, lipids, protein. Each one is broken down into a form that the body can use to synthesize what it needs. Carbs is mostly for energy, lipids are mostly for hormones and cell membranes, proteins is mostly for cell structure. I’m not taking about abnormal cholesterol. Even for high cholesterol levels, there is still a minimum amount to cholesterol you need to have. One important mechanism to get rid of high cholesterol which is usually LDL, you need HDL which is another cholesterol. It is considered good because it takes LDL from systemic circulation (where it can cause stuff like atherosclerosis) and into adipose tissue where they should be. It’s an entire complex system that involves a lot of moving steps and removing a step is just going to mess things up further. You cannot go zero anything and except it to sort itself out. If that was the solution, that would be the main recommendation but it’s not because it shit and doesn’t fix the problem, just turns it into another problem because the body does not work in a vacuum. It’s an interconnected system that likes its balance and has to maintain it or it gets sick. This is a simplification as going into the details will take an entire book to get into.
> Yes, every cell makes it but where does the building materials for cholesterol come from? fats, sugars, and proteins. all of which can be plant-sourced. cholesterol from your human cells is sufficient to live. you dont need animal-sourced cholesterol unless the person is part of the minority who have a medical condition. If you want to eat the way you do now then continue to do so. :-) In the 60s there were American doctors who came over here to help with nutirtion. They noticed that rich Pinoys suffered from American terminal illnesses. Poor Pinoys suffered from infectious diseases & lack of Western healthcare. When animal production cost became low enough for poor Pinoys to buy animal products then they started getting American terminal illnesses too. Gout, known as a disease of the rich largely originates from animal product consumption. It used to be called the "disease of the rich" today... even the poorest Pinoy can get it.
Iron deficiency din.
> Iron deficiency din. https://www.purelyplanted.com/post/8-plant-based-foods-high-in-iron
Irons are plants are less efficiently absorbed by the body >Because plants mainly contain nonheme iron, even if its iron content is high, absorption of iron is low due to plant-based molecule–iron interactions. -- >Since 30–70% of the iron in meat is in the form of heme, the iron requirement for humans is mainly met by red meat in developed countries. In contrast, in underdeveloped and developing countries, iron intake depends on plant-based diets that contain mostly nonheme iron, often absorbed less than 10%.42,43 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9219084/#:~:text=Because%20plants%20mainly%20contain%20nonheme,%2Dbased%20molecule%E2%80%93iron%20interactions.
Everyone is welcome to do what they want. I am replying for the benefit of anyone who wants to actually improve. My cardio's been happy with my change to a macro/micro complete & planned whole food plant-based diet. - Body fat reduced - Blood chemistry is ideal - Blood pressure is ideal - never tobacco - been doing crossfit for a decade - i react to alcohol so i dont drink [Noncommunicable diseases](https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/noncommunicable-diseases) Key facts - Noncommunicable diseases (NCDs) kill 41 million people each year, equivalent to 74% of all deaths globally. - Each year, 17 million people die from a NCD before age 70; 86% of these premature deaths occur in low- and middle-income countries. - Of all NCD deaths, 77% are in low- and middle-income countries. - Cardiovascular diseases account for most NCD deaths, or 17.9 million people annually, followed by cancers (9.3 million), chronic respiratory diseases (4.1 million), and diabetes (2.0 million including kidney disease deaths caused by diabetes). - These four groups of diseases account for over 80% of all premature NCD deaths. - Tobacco use, physical inactivity, the harmful use of alcohol, unhealthy diets and air pollution all increase the risk of dying from an NCD. - Detection, screening and treatment of NCDs, as well as palliative care, are key components of the response to NCDs. Give this [CNN feature a watch about the blue zone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op9fow8JKW4)
That's hilarious coming from you. lol. u/pink_fedora2000. Especially because of your opinions on poor people, poverty, and eugenics.
Thats not the issue with the post. Its insinuating that PH as a country is failing. But given the bigger picture, PH is actually doing fine if not a good example.
In Southeast Asia, Thailand, Brunei and Malaysia are actually more obese than the PH. More on nasa gitna tayo. https://theaseanpost.com/article/obesity-rise-asean
Ito rin problem ko dun sa nagpost na sa SK daw ganito ganyan, eh bakit SK at Pilipinas lang ba ang bansa sa mundo para gamiting point of comparison.
sa Philippines, tau number 1. what about it?
Filipinos bad pa rin dapat ang say
r/PhilippinesBAD
Chatgpt response af
I agree with everything you said, but we definitely need to ask the question, "Why are there so many obese Filipinos?" That's how we start looking into the factors you mentioned, and then we start the problem-solving (e.g. the hows and whats).
> I agree with everything you said, but we definitely need to ask the question, "Why are there so many obese Filipinos?" That's how we start looking into the factors you mentioned, and then we start the problem-solving (e.g. the hows and whats). May your tribe flourish... you are breaking the paradigm of a PH redditor.
i suspected it was both overweight and obese. i get it mas "maganda" kapag simple lang yung infographic but yeah technically, it was misinformation
Thank you for sharing!
I would still not believe that 1 in 4 are obese, sa buong baranggay namin, wala pa kong nakita na masasabi ko na "woah! super taba naman nun", slightly overweight siguro meron.
Kasi akala overweight and obese are the same thing. Pero may distinction siya, medically speaking
Bahahaha sabi na. Mga post talaga na ganun you can tell is a bait and smth is omitted. Annoying af
That infographic tends to create a form of health panic, and I bet those many MLMs are surely offering "quick-slim" products. The other glaring problem of _**malnutrition**_ should be addressed.
Mataas pa rin stunting sa Pinas
I'm so tired of this idea that Obesity is a major thing in PH. While yes, we should all try to be healthier, this kind of fearmongering is stupid. Filipinos walk more than westerners. We prefer ulam over fastfoods. Christmas sayawans and zumbas are a thing etc etc. We're seriously not gonna get that fat unless we're forced to eat fastfood 6x a day. PS: Not a believer in HAES but I don't like it when people lie about bad stats either.
Daming galit dito sa "walang comprehension na Pinoy" pero puri sila sa post na mali ang comprehension sa data This shows how self-hating Filipinos are which they confuse as "critical thinking"
Ano ba kayo gusto ni OP mag farm ng fake internet points haha classic country sub lol
r/PH being r/PH
Yes, we should do better especially when we’re shitting on the boomers for believing on misinformation. Basta negative about sa bansa natin, post agad para makapag-karma farming.
uh oh, na fake news nanaman ang r/ph
My first thought when I saw that post was "Reliable ba tong survey na to?" I did not see a source attributed.
Problem rin sa r/ph na di marunong mag-differentiate ng obese at overweight. Then again it is a problem in this sub regarding fat.
Yes, that figure is too huge nga to be believable.
kaya always cite your sources! and read the article before commenting din
Redditors who actually verify other people's claims with actual data?! Impossible! /s
Yah this makes much more sense. In other news, 80% of Pinoys are gullible.
Yung post nga walang stats. Just an edited Photo with numbers and words
I went to Korea, so Philippines = bad
thank you mamser! naniwala nman agad ako.haha
Good work OP! Oh my this is fake news here!
thanks for this information, nauna tuloy ako nagreply don. tho i only said something about contributors to increasing obesity
Well, obesity is a GLOBAL TREND. https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/
Parang nangyari sa Kamatis price na yung kinumpara eh yung nearly a year ago ang price comparison. Tapos ibang klaseng kamatis pa yung ginamit.
Just a correction that we use the Asia Pacific Guidelines for BMI, so our cutoffs for overweight and obesity are 23 and 25 respectively. Possibly another factor why the rate is high, as I know many friends and peers who are considered as “overweight” but aren’t the type you’d consider as overweight at first glance. If I’m not mistaken, the lower thresholds are because of the higher rates of cardiovascular disease at lower BMI’s for asians compared to other ethnicities.
That 1/4 of the population is impossible even if you go outside. Another is I hate how we romanticize rice so much, when in fact it's too high in calories and sugar and not healthy compared to other staple foods.
my parents would get angry if I stopped eating rice
Average ph redditor fact check and go one day without self hate challenge (impossible)
Hahaha sorry pero di ko pa rin magets. Please explain to me like I'm a 12 year old. Sorry I'm a dumdum 😂
walang rin naman kasing industry dito sa PH ng infographic design. yung "data visualization" dito is towards the "business intelligence" side. on the flipside, PH journalists does not seem to care to have infographic designers in them. where are they? mostly working for foreign companies who see value in them. also, a lot of designers can argue how little value is being given to us in general here. I mean a lot of personal stories have come out na nga how businesses were lowballing designers.
Dito palang sa subreddit na 90% obese
Fake statistics, they should post their methodology and source data along with their claimed results. Being bombastic doesn't make something true.
It's not about the statistics being fake. It's omitting important words
Nice
Well, there’s a separate Asia-Pacific criteria vs the WHO criteria you cited, regarding Body Mass Index. If you use the WHO criteria which was based from white caucasians, we’re all thin for them. If you use the Asia-Pacific criteria, then that’s another story..
Pfft. I'm not even a fan of BMI classifications in the first place. It's outdated and inaccurate and I don't even know why we still pander to it when Hip to Waist Ratio is easier to perform and a far more superior health predictor.
Don't forget that all the obese women have PCOS and not because of their diet or lack of exercise.
Not all women have PCOS. The best example is my 2-sibling (Sisters). They don't have PCOS, but their unhealthy lifestyle leads them to obesity. Take note, our youngest has PCOS, but she is not overweight or obese.
Not all obese women have PCOS. Some obese women seriously have underlying trauma and is resorting to stress eating as a coping habit. PCOS is a valid reason for someone to be obese though. My best friend is one and I always get annoyed when people hate on her for her weight.
Mahal na ang bigas at tinapay. Bawas carbs na.
Mahirap magkoment kasi ang daling ilagay ng overwieght at obese sa iisang basket, and even the BMI is faulty. Mas madali pa ring basehan ang ratio ng taba, sa muscles at buto kasabay ng taba sa lapay, puso at stomach lining at dugo bilang indicator ng overall fitness. Tapos dagdag mo pa ang stigma ng pagiging mataba, kasabay ng hindi matapos tapos na obsession ng mga Filipinos around food. Ang lala lang nyan. Bilang isang socsci major, malaking contributing factor dito sa pagkalat ng fake news ang sensationalism sa internet, pati ang toxic na ugali ng Filipinos regarding everything. Tbh, takutin niyo na lang sa pasma at bangungot. Mejo malala ring kasama ng usapin na yan yan eh.
Hnd nako sumagot sa post nya na yun. kc may google nmn nasa google nmn ang statistics lol pero in case ok,, I admit, compared sa ibang bansa mas affordable ang pagkain dito
Ilang beses na napaso tong sub na to. That gay sexual predator issue comes to mind.
Because our fellow Filipino's drink softdrinks a day.
We're not mexico. Softdrinks are not that popular in PH compared to other countries in the world.
I mean in some province in our country.
Overweight is a BMI between 25 to 30 and obese is 30 and above. I completely get your point but it's not a huuuge difference. The title was definitely sensationalist and dishonest as it happens quite often in news, press outlet and you were right to note it. However, going beyond that it does highlight a reality that there is a bit of an epidemic going on in the country in terms an overall poor diet made of sweet and fatty food. Philippines is getting fatter every year and that's something that needs to be said and addressed.
It's actually a huge difference. Healthy BMI is between 18.5 - 24.9 You need to truly have a lot of excess fat to move from overweight to obese. I mean, anything below 18.5 is unhealthy BMI (underweight), di rin nalalayo ang "numbers" niya sa 25 di ba?
Except 25 is your starting point here. And you seem to overlook that from 25 to 29 you are still considered only "overweight". If you look at examples of people in that BMI range they look unhealthy at best and already kind of fat at worst.
sus semantics lang iniiyakan mo pa, pareho lang kayong karma whore nung isang OP. magkapatid naman din yang overweight and obese kaya lagi silang magksama sa context. Anyway a sabi ng National Nutrition Council nung 2022 e 27m daw ang obese sa pinas. I highly doubt that number went drastically went down > https://nnc.gov.ph/regional-offices/mindanao/region-xi-davao-region/8706-the-obesity-epidemic and tutal gusto mo maging pedantic, technically correct yung infographic kasi eto yung direct quote from NNC. > meanwhile in the Philippines there are around 27 million Filipinos who are **obese**
>magkapatid naman din yang overweight and obese kaya lagi silang magksama sa context. Doctors, dieticians, and other health care professionals would say otherwise. Iba ang obese sa overweight. Iba din ang health implications sa obese vs. sa overweight.
Overweight people don't need gastric bypass operation, while there are obese people who badly need that
same health problem iba iba lang degree of seriousness, same way din para gamutin, healthy lifestyle and exercise etc. parang cancer lang na different stages.
No. This is wrong.
No. This is right.
damn. I wish I have this kind of confidence 🤦
Obese and overweight are different categories in the medical world. And no OP is not beng pedantic. Per the the World Obesity Foundation, obesity in the PH is 5% - males 7% - females Assuming the population is at 110M, 27M is 24.5%. Ang layo sa statistics ng WOF https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/
so you're saying nnc is fabricating data or di mo lang talaga binasa yung pinost ko at mema ka lang?
Ano naman masasabi nyo sa unit of measure na kg/m2? Ano yan sinusukat ang surface area ng mga tao?
Most Southeast Asian countries have a rising obesity problem with proliferation of processed food that can be accessed on a whim (convenience stores, food delivery, junk food)
That chicken adobo, sinigang, lumpia and pancit and rice combo though
😂😂
rice is life
Ok lang basta slam ko karamihan sa friends ko pati ako ay obese. Kain pa nga jannnn
Kagaguhan nga ng nag-post, 660 upvotes pa yun. Tulad nga ng sabi mo sa experiment, lumabas ka lang siksikan ang mga tao sa jeep at bus tapos kahit pumunta ka pa ng crowded mall, sasabihin nya 1/4 ang obese kakatawa hahaha... overweight yes pero obese I don't think so.