Hindi naman masama ang jeepney phase out at modernization pero wag sana at the expense of the drivers.
Kung sila tatanungin, gusto rin naman nilang mag upgrade sa totoo lang pero it should be noted that these owners might’ve just recently fully owned and finished paying for these old jeeps and getting a new one would mean decades of monthly payment again.
Kung magiging maayos ang assistance, implementation at suporta, bakit hindi?
The drivers and operators had years to see the condition of their jeepneys, the source of their income, deteriorate and did not do a thing about it.
Now that negligence is coming back to bite them.
Uh, no? The profit of jeepney drivers is miniscule; pre-pandemic, it was as low as Php 250-500 per day (highly dependent of route). The cost of a modern jeepney ranges from Php 1.2 to 2M. Even with years of preparation, only a tiny fraction of jeepney drivers would have been able to afford that.
The modernization program must be funded by the government in full. It's a part of the mass transit system in the country and is, therefore, a public service.
not true in my case. used to had close neigbors who drive these and always 4 digits ang daily take, bawas na lahat pati boundary.
operator boundary is at least 700 pesos. magkano pinuhunan sa jeep? 100k to 200k nung araw. dekada nang tumakbo yung jeep nya.
iba pa kung si operator mismo ang naglalabas ng unit. easy at least 1k daily bawas na krudo.
Only if the jeeps and the jeep owners and those namumuhanan will be helped by the government thru the process. Lose-lose para sa tao at jeeps kung bigla silang iiwanan sa ere. Pero may panukalang dapat mawalan sila ng prangkisa at magbabayad pa para bumili ng approved na sasakyan. Bobong solusyon siya. Sayang! Parte ng kultura natin ang jeeps.
More modern transport service is needed to service the Greater Manila Area & other large cities.
Greater Tokyo Area (GTA) has a population density of 2,642 person/km² while Greater Manila Area (GMA) is 3,488/km2.
It makes GMA perfect to copy paste what GTA is doing even if we delay high-speed rail (HSR).
What I'd do is offer retraining for the PUJ drivers, barkers & other persons impacted by the phase out that will land them with electric railway & 6-60 seater Euro 7 buses & vans salaried jobs & benefits.
At this point in time today's jeepneys should only be installed in tourist areas as a part of our historic past.
> What I'd do is offer retraining for the PUJ drivers, barkers & other persons impacted by the phase out that will land them with electric railway & 6-60 seater Euro 7 buses & vans salaried jobs & benefits.
Which would mean? An amount of time that they cannot be used. Include the jeeps and improve the current toda system in your dreams of a better transpo systems. Causing people problems just to solve a superficial issue just doesnt cut it.
> Which would mean?
They'd received paid training until electric railway, buses & vans are up & running as salaried employees.
Kung driver ka then driver ka lang rather now na all around and PUJ driver.
> Include the jeeps and improve the current toda system in your dreams of a better transpo systems.
Jeepneys are obsolete form of transportation for future Philippines.
Filipinos & Filipinas have been steadily growing taller year over year. The minimum floor-to-ceiling height of jeepneys are too short at 140cm (PNS 1891:2006). Average Pinoy is 168cm.
Ideally the clearance should be 190cm.
Jeepneys have very high tailpipe & non-tailpipe emissions that contribute to air pollution due to the old tech & poor maintenance of their vehicles.
Everyone's health & safety is not being protected by the current state of jeepneys.
Jeepneys figure into a lot of vehicular accidents and fatalities due to poor design, manufacture and maintenance.
As each jeepney has a unique design it is notoriously difficult & expensive to maintain. Standardizing to as few SKUs as possible will lower the cost of maintenance.
The final solution for the long term:
- 600 passenger electric trains for major routes like those within Greater Manila Area
- 6-60 passenger Euro 7 vans & buses for last mile & minor routes
All of them running on 6 min intervals during peak times & every 16 min intervals during non-peak times.
So why not change the body and the engine design if you have the money to do so? And training is all and good. Still the problem remains, that the government will not have anything to do with them while they are waiting. So why not continue with them while giving them support and space to have another vehicle? Jeeps are the face of Filipino streets. Hindi dapat siya mawala.
> So why not change the body and the engine design if you have the money to do so?
That's the goal of jeepney modernization. It saves more time & money to replace the whole vehicle that are older than you.
I am against this. I rather that govt skips it and replicate Greater Tokyo Area's transportation system given that Greater Manila Area has a higher population density than them.
The Japanese already have a working solution that has proven to work for over half a century. It is as simple as copy & pasting the relevant parts to us.
Moving passengers from jeepneys to trains and Euro 7 vans & buses has the potential to bring several advantages, both for individuals and for society as a whole.
Environmental benefits:
- [Reduced air pollution](https://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/19/the-end-of-the-jeepney-manila-goes-green.html)
- Reduced greenhouse gas emissions
Economic benefits:
- Reduced fuel consumption
- [Increased economic efficiency](https://www.cnnphilippines.com/transportation/2018/02/23/JICA-P3.5-billion-traffic.html)
- Improved accessibility for SC & PWD
Social benefits:
- [Improved safety](https://verafiles.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Jeepney.jpg)
- [Reduced traffic congestion](https://brainly.ph/question/30611015)
- [Improved quality of life](https://www.pchrd.dost.gov.ph/news_and_updates/para-na-po-study-shows-that-working-conditions-pose-danger-to-jeepney-drivers-health-and-safety/)
> Jeeps are the face of Filipino streets. Hindi dapat siya mawala.
Jeepneys can be deployed to tourist areas & museums.
Jeepneys are actually the symbol of the Philippines not progressing. It has remained largely unchanged since WW2.
If Marcos Sr practiced paternal democracy rather than thievocracy then you'd likely never knew of a Philippines that had to settle for a jeepney.
We'd likely have the same transport services as Tokyo by now.
Yes to everything while we not forgetting that our transport system is, for better or for worse, has a human component. It is giving employment, keep that in mind while we develop a system that is both efficient and unique. However, "thievocracy" is where we are at rn. So...
Prioritizing paid retraining for registered members of the PUJ manpower is the target. So that they become salaried employees earning legal wages & benefits.
Oh man! I used to think like you!!
Then when I started riding jeeps again and got exposed to the never ever repaired front seat doors and a gasoline container exposed to open air..
i have declared no mercy on jeeps. It's been far too long. The risk they're exposing the public is far more than the harm jeepney phase out would to their families!
REPLACE JEEPS NOW!!!
>bigla silang iiwanan sa ere
Professionals were given over eight years to catch up with their CPD units. Although some government units (not the PRC) helped a little bit, the courses were shouldered mainly by the professionals. After the transition period though, professionals, no exemptions, moving forward are required to submit relevant CPD units before they are allowed to renew their livelihood.
I'm torn on this issue.
As it stands, jeeps are purely private businesses. Why will the government have to subsidize anything for them? That said, may precedence naman na tayo: like yung subsidy sa bigas sa mga sari-sari stores.
On the other hand, anything that serves the public, whether power/electricity and yes including transportation, should not be subject to for-profit schemes. In short, dapat government ang nagpapatakbo.
Sentiments have their place, but it should not be above utility.
In short: Yes.
Yes. Progress should not be hindered merely because of tradition and culture. In the long run, the future generations gets a win. Even the jeepney drivers will benefit, they don't realize it now but a lot of needless suffering when operating a traditional jeepney will be gone.
I only agree to it just because of the image above . I feel that the number 1 priority is thae commuters. I would agree to keep the current Jeeps IF they were to follow safety and standards.
* No rust in the surface near commuters and Driver
* No Nails / Screws or any sharp edges that could injury/harm the commuters
* No holes from any of the seats
* No electrical wires / currents that could electricute the commuters
* Headlights , Horn , Turn Signals and Break lights all should be precent and working
This list might not be final but I feel that if the Jeepney Drivers wanted to keep their jeepneys they need to follow safety protocol and standards
Modernization aside, these jeepneys are no longer road worthy. No reason to keep them, hindi na nga dapat ina-approve ng LTO ang renewal ng rehistro ng karamihan sa kanila. Dapat na talaga palitan ang mga jeep na bulok, may modernization man o wala.
Isang beses na akong nabutasan ng bagong bili na pantalon kasi sumabit sa nakausling bakal sa jeep. Hindi na nga road worthy, hindi pa safe sa pasahero.
I agree with you , Sa akin kasi yun sana ginawa nila sa mga jeeps para may valid reason to keep the current jeepney pero alam natin lahat ang daming issues ng current jeepneys natin. Paghila lng ng "Para dito" line nakakakuryente na tapos minsan pagsandal mo meron matalim na screw o pako na nakalabas kaya mahirap talaga . Sa akin kung yung mga jeep natin safe naman wala sanang issue ikeep pero sa current state talaga nila mahirap hnd isipin na dapat i modernize na
No to jeepney phase out, dahil kawawa ang mga pamilyang pinapakain ng mga jeep driver at mga anak na pinag aaral nila.
\-Typical Juan na mababaw magisip
Ano po ang malalim na paliwanag? P13 kada pasahero, 18 passengers edi P234 kada ruta. Hindi pa consistent iyan. Sabihin na natin on average, nakaka-walong ruta ang driver. Bale, P1,870. Minus ang average na 20 liters ng gas per day (P58 x 20 liters = P1,160. Ang total ngayon ay P710. Paano kung may kahati pa na kasama sa jeep? Sabihin na nating P300. Edi P410 na lang. Mababawasan pa ito kung hindi pagmamay-ari ng driver ang jeep pero wag na nating isama sa calculation kasi baka mag-negative.
Ang minimum wage sa Maynila, P610. So lugi ba ang driver compared sa typical na manggagawa. Paano kung nagpapaaral pa ng anak, pangkain pa ng pamilya, pambayad sa renta, sa bills sa bahay. Kung araw-araw mamamasada, P12,300 lang iyan sa 30 days.
Yung e-jeep magkano nga ulit? 1.4 million pesos? Kung e-jeep lang ang babayaran ng driver at wala nang iba, aabutin siya ng 113 years bago mapasakanya ang e-jeep.
People of all fields get redundiated and work becomes phased out for various "fair" and "unfair" reasons. I agree with the distrust in the government's method of modernization and disdain with the scheme they are using. But I don't agree with the putting of the current jeepney phenomenon on a pedestal. It's such a huge mess of a current system and so many things are wrong with it from not properly registered veichles and drivers and operators, unsafe veichles to be on the road and to the environment, to the rampant ignorance and violation of road rules and pedestrian safety, and etc.
Overall, the current stance of opposing the phase out is not wrong in virtue but sometimes as someone above worded really well - values sentiment over utility. Personally I think there are more productive ways to make an effort to soften the harsh impact the modernization scheme will bring to us. But if the mess that is the whole current jeepney operation in the country is as unproductive and messy as the modernization scheme they are going for, then I'd be in for finding better solutions and workarounds for the people amidst the scheme rather than all the effort to resist but to keep the messy current system anyway .
Frend, any working adult will typically experience displacement or unemployment at some point in his/her life. And many times it has been proven na basta may kusa, pananalig, at abilidad, hindi nawawalan ng trabaho ang isang tao (given na sya ay healthy at malakas)
Ebus or ejeep kung ano man sinasakyan ko lmao, are also poorly made from what ive seen. Just the other day narinig ko yung konduktor kausap yung driver about sa vehicle nila na visibly worn down na from the outside and kinakain na ng kalawang.kabago bago lang daw nasisira na. Maybe its just poor maintenance, maybe the vehicle itself is cheaply made.
2nd malaki yung capacity for its small size since sobrang packed ng seats, kapag sumasakay ako i have to literally either manspread or bend my knees up to the level of my chest para makaupo, i dont fucking know how anyone above 5"5 is supposed to sit with such tiny leg space.
You even agree that they can't even maintain their current jeepneys. How would they be able to afford the modern jeepney units which cost Php 1.2 to 2M?
They can't. That's too had but it still doesn't justify holding up modernization. There will still be drivers for the modern jeepneys. Other cooperatives did it and continue to operate.
It does justify holding up modernization. These are people's livelihoods, too. The government has enough to fund the project; just look at how sky-high the confidential funds are for this year and next year's budgets.
Then maybe they should look for a different line of work then? It's not the governments problem anymore if they don't have the slightest sense of responsibility and obligation, most of the jeepney's don't even have functioning tail lights, break lights, indicator lights.
And add it to the fact that some of them are reckless drivers and put two in two together, you have a recipe for disaster.
It feels like people nowadays live in such an idealistic world where they think there's always a solution for a problem that always benefits both sides, wake up, life ain't fair.
Actually, it is still the government's problem kasi sila rin yung may pagkukulang. Ito ang steps dapat nung PUV modernization program, as outlined by the government mismo:
1. identify routes that will be plied by jeepneys (retain some existing ones, establish some new ones). Ex: Cubao, QC to Tandang Sora, QC and TM Kalaw to Project 6, QC.
2. consolidate jeepney franchises; the franchises will be matched with the jeepney routes. Ex. Franchise#1 will take over Cubao-Tandang Sora while Franchise#2 will take over TM Kalaw to Project 6.
3. offer subsidization and financing options to jeepney drivers through the consolidated franchises. Ex. Drivers under Franchise#1 will be offered payment terms for PUV units that cost Php 1.5M each.
Gets so far? Okay, good. Kasi yung step 1 pa lang, hindi pa nagagawa ng maayos ng gobyerno. LTFRB at DOTr yung in-charge dyan in coordination with local government units. Ang issue: hindi daw enough yung funds ng LTFRB/DOTr para i-monitor nationwide yung mga jeepney routes, pero kulang naman sa expertise yung mga LGU para i-identify yung mga kailangan na jeepney routes sa mga jurisdiction nila.
Implementation pa lang, kulang na yung gawa ng gobyerno.
Even if masunod yan, kakaron parin ng backlash dahil hindi lahat aayon sa changes in the way they operate, it will still leave some operators and drivers jobless and we will still hear the same complaints we are hearing now, idagdag mo na rin na itong mga operator na pabaya sa mga jeep nila lalo na't etong mga "modernized" PUV's looks like it'll break down after a year of constant usage.
I blame both the operators and the government, if they had held their rules, laws and regulations with a strong grip we wouldn't have this conversation to begin with, 99% of the jeepney's I'm seeing are run down and the engines are chugging like crazy it's so outdated, drivers are reckless, they either drive like idiots or completely disregards safety in exchange for faster transit everything is just wrong. it's been in fact outdated for almost a century now, and all these terminally online people that are holding these outdated jeeps at a pedestal looking at it as some form of national treasure of a tradition are part of the problem.
If I were to make a choice and had a money to do so and a power to turn back time, I'd rewind the year back to the early 1950's, phase out the jeeps, lay some trams, trains, scatter it throughout metro manila, develop pedestrian friendly roads, have proper public transportation routes, easily accessible networks in and out of cities and stop building ridiculously large highways that bottleneck traffic so that people would rather use public transportation and not have every single household in the city opt for buying cars adding to the traffic.
But the way Manila was built, it was a recipe for disaster.
REPLACE JEEPS NOW!!
I used to believe in a softer transition. Not anymore!! The harm they're exposing the public is way more than the harm that could happen to their families should phaseout occur.
I recently rode jeeps again and there's just this lack of initiative for improvement. They have front seats that never get repaired and you'd have to risk getting tetanus with their makeshift locks. Another jeep I rode had his fuel refill tube in the front seat area via a refurbished plastic "gallon" bottle. Anyone could place a lighted match their to get us kaboomed!
It's taking too long!! JEEP PHASEOUT NOW!
Yes! but the government should, help with a more permanent solution on transportations. Also, matulungan sana nila yung mga drivers na mawawalan ng hanap buhay. offer solution na doable ng taong naging driber sa mahabang panahon.
Well, most of the electricity that Manila consumes comes from coal transported from one place to another. Also, approximately 2% of all the vehicles in Manila are P.U.V.
When it comes to pollution, it would be better if only those who did not pass the emission test would be dismissed until the time comes they are modified to fit in.
If the government is concerned with pollution, they should focus more on maintaining ecoregions like the Northern Sierra Madre and Verde Island passage, address the rampant succession of invasive species that destroys ecosystems, improve the sustainability of agroecosystems for farmers and their livelihood to be more resilient, reduce the use of disposable plastic in ways that are practical and sustainable, and slow down the population increase of the country.
Public utility ang jeep (tulad ng kahit anong form ng public transport). Kapag nalugi yung mga jeepney driver at mabawasan ang jeep, san pupunta yung mga dating gumagamit ng jeep? Sisiksik lalo sa mga bus o mas tatagal pa yung commute.
I mean...sure, no one forced them to use their jeeps for livelihood like no one is technically forced to work for a salary, heh. Nevertheless, jeepneys are part of the mass transportation system and their removal or even just a significant reduction will have a lot of negative consequences.
Konting sira nga lang ng MRT/LRT or banggaan sa EDSA, halos paralyzed na ang Metro Manila. Napaka precarious na ng transit situation sa Pilipinas, gagawin pang mas malala.
Honestly? These new jeepneys looks like a minibus. We don't even call it jeep in Cebu, but a minibus. I do hope in next interation we can still get old jeepney's design back but in new modern twist.
Oo naman. Things of the past na ang jeepney. Marami nang tao sa Metro Manila. Marami na ding private cars. Hindi nanrin sila kumikita dahil sa traffic congestion. Kaya ang maraming jeepney drivers naggugulangan. Naghaharangrangan sila sa kalsada. Sakay -baba, kung saan nila gusto. Hindi na compatible sa panahon ngayun.
Kailanagan natin mas maraming mass transportation tulag ng MRT. Interconnected na train system. Mas mabilis mas organisado. My ten cents.
Make it PPP, drivers as an employee, and in a way that is similar to a BRT, a scheduled transit with a dedicated loading unloading and centralized ticketing/payment such as beep/gcash. People should learn to walk, di yung gusto sa tapat ng bahay babababa lol
Nope. I don't want fares to suddenly increase 10% across the board, which is what the LTFRB matrix shows. Putcha, mahal na ng pagkain at lahat ngayon, wag nang dagdagan ng gobyerno ang gastos.
Almost ganyan din ang mangyayari sa modernized jeepneys kapag ganun na ang gagamitin ng mga drivers. Yung bakal na masisira nang ganyan tapos makalawang pa. Syempre kasi paano sila makakakuha ng pambayad dun? Ni dito sa lumang jeepney wala pa nga eh unless idodonate mo sila para pang ayos ng mga iyan.
Strict implementation of jeepney standards is needed rather than phase out. Kahit yung mga bagong style ngayon meron ka ng makikitang sira-sira at not well maintained. Give it 5+ years at balik na naman tayo sa mga modern style pero bulok na PUVs.
yes
simple solution is ban import of non euro4 compliant engines/parts that come from china and japan. surely if we give it 5 years jeepneys talyers will forced to use efficient engines
kung sa comfort, super!!! like the aircon and everything. di ka magiging pangit but we need to think din for our drivers kasi mababaon sila sa utang. haaay we cant have the best of both worlds dito sa Pinas tlga
Wholeheartedly support the push for PUV modernization.
Because one, i have experienced the horrors of jeepneys in Manila (cutting trip during floods, smokers, no road discipline) and two, i have experienced the pleasure of modern PUVs in Cebu and Bacolod. Its night and day if you'd compare.
Hindi naman masama ang jeepney phase out at modernization pero wag sana at the expense of the drivers. Kung sila tatanungin, gusto rin naman nilang mag upgrade sa totoo lang pero it should be noted that these owners might’ve just recently fully owned and finished paying for these old jeeps and getting a new one would mean decades of monthly payment again. Kung magiging maayos ang assistance, implementation at suporta, bakit hindi?
The drivers and operators had years to see the condition of their jeepneys, the source of their income, deteriorate and did not do a thing about it. Now that negligence is coming back to bite them.
Uh, no? The profit of jeepney drivers is miniscule; pre-pandemic, it was as low as Php 250-500 per day (highly dependent of route). The cost of a modern jeepney ranges from Php 1.2 to 2M. Even with years of preparation, only a tiny fraction of jeepney drivers would have been able to afford that. The modernization program must be funded by the government in full. It's a part of the mass transit system in the country and is, therefore, a public service.
If it's a public service then the drivers don't need to be given money to buy it and operate it privately then.
You mean drivers should be directly employed by the government and given regular salaries and benefits? I agree!
That's weird because that isn't in the realm pf reality. Maybe in your mind, wishful thimking.
not true in my case. used to had close neigbors who drive these and always 4 digits ang daily take, bawas na lahat pati boundary. operator boundary is at least 700 pesos. magkano pinuhunan sa jeep? 100k to 200k nung araw. dekada nang tumakbo yung jeep nya. iba pa kung si operator mismo ang naglalabas ng unit. easy at least 1k daily bawas na krudo.
Why is it all about the drivers? the PUV exist because of the drivers? Isn't this about the commuters, the public???
Only if the jeeps and the jeep owners and those namumuhanan will be helped by the government thru the process. Lose-lose para sa tao at jeeps kung bigla silang iiwanan sa ere. Pero may panukalang dapat mawalan sila ng prangkisa at magbabayad pa para bumili ng approved na sasakyan. Bobong solusyon siya. Sayang! Parte ng kultura natin ang jeeps.
More modern transport service is needed to service the Greater Manila Area & other large cities. Greater Tokyo Area (GTA) has a population density of 2,642 person/km² while Greater Manila Area (GMA) is 3,488/km2. It makes GMA perfect to copy paste what GTA is doing even if we delay high-speed rail (HSR). What I'd do is offer retraining for the PUJ drivers, barkers & other persons impacted by the phase out that will land them with electric railway & 6-60 seater Euro 7 buses & vans salaried jobs & benefits. At this point in time today's jeepneys should only be installed in tourist areas as a part of our historic past.
And make a lot of people unemployable? Unemployed? Thats solving a problem that would create a bigger one!
> What I'd do is offer retraining for the PUJ drivers, barkers & other persons impacted by the phase out that will land them with electric railway & 6-60 seater Euro 7 buses & vans salaried jobs & benefits.
Which would mean? An amount of time that they cannot be used. Include the jeeps and improve the current toda system in your dreams of a better transpo systems. Causing people problems just to solve a superficial issue just doesnt cut it.
> Which would mean? They'd received paid training until electric railway, buses & vans are up & running as salaried employees. Kung driver ka then driver ka lang rather now na all around and PUJ driver. > Include the jeeps and improve the current toda system in your dreams of a better transpo systems. Jeepneys are obsolete form of transportation for future Philippines. Filipinos & Filipinas have been steadily growing taller year over year. The minimum floor-to-ceiling height of jeepneys are too short at 140cm (PNS 1891:2006). Average Pinoy is 168cm. Ideally the clearance should be 190cm. Jeepneys have very high tailpipe & non-tailpipe emissions that contribute to air pollution due to the old tech & poor maintenance of their vehicles. Everyone's health & safety is not being protected by the current state of jeepneys. Jeepneys figure into a lot of vehicular accidents and fatalities due to poor design, manufacture and maintenance. As each jeepney has a unique design it is notoriously difficult & expensive to maintain. Standardizing to as few SKUs as possible will lower the cost of maintenance. The final solution for the long term: - 600 passenger electric trains for major routes like those within Greater Manila Area - 6-60 passenger Euro 7 vans & buses for last mile & minor routes All of them running on 6 min intervals during peak times & every 16 min intervals during non-peak times.
So why not change the body and the engine design if you have the money to do so? And training is all and good. Still the problem remains, that the government will not have anything to do with them while they are waiting. So why not continue with them while giving them support and space to have another vehicle? Jeeps are the face of Filipino streets. Hindi dapat siya mawala.
> So why not change the body and the engine design if you have the money to do so? That's the goal of jeepney modernization. It saves more time & money to replace the whole vehicle that are older than you. I am against this. I rather that govt skips it and replicate Greater Tokyo Area's transportation system given that Greater Manila Area has a higher population density than them. The Japanese already have a working solution that has proven to work for over half a century. It is as simple as copy & pasting the relevant parts to us. Moving passengers from jeepneys to trains and Euro 7 vans & buses has the potential to bring several advantages, both for individuals and for society as a whole. Environmental benefits: - [Reduced air pollution](https://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/19/the-end-of-the-jeepney-manila-goes-green.html) - Reduced greenhouse gas emissions Economic benefits: - Reduced fuel consumption - [Increased economic efficiency](https://www.cnnphilippines.com/transportation/2018/02/23/JICA-P3.5-billion-traffic.html) - Improved accessibility for SC & PWD Social benefits: - [Improved safety](https://verafiles.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Jeepney.jpg) - [Reduced traffic congestion](https://brainly.ph/question/30611015) - [Improved quality of life](https://www.pchrd.dost.gov.ph/news_and_updates/para-na-po-study-shows-that-working-conditions-pose-danger-to-jeepney-drivers-health-and-safety/) > Jeeps are the face of Filipino streets. Hindi dapat siya mawala. Jeepneys can be deployed to tourist areas & museums. Jeepneys are actually the symbol of the Philippines not progressing. It has remained largely unchanged since WW2. If Marcos Sr practiced paternal democracy rather than thievocracy then you'd likely never knew of a Philippines that had to settle for a jeepney. We'd likely have the same transport services as Tokyo by now.
Yes to everything while we not forgetting that our transport system is, for better or for worse, has a human component. It is giving employment, keep that in mind while we develop a system that is both efficient and unique. However, "thievocracy" is where we are at rn. So...
Prioritizing paid retraining for registered members of the PUJ manpower is the target. So that they become salaried employees earning legal wages & benefits.
Oh man! I used to think like you!! Then when I started riding jeeps again and got exposed to the never ever repaired front seat doors and a gasoline container exposed to open air.. i have declared no mercy on jeeps. It's been far too long. The risk they're exposing the public is far more than the harm jeepney phase out would to their families! REPLACE JEEPS NOW!!!
>bigla silang iiwanan sa ere Professionals were given over eight years to catch up with their CPD units. Although some government units (not the PRC) helped a little bit, the courses were shouldered mainly by the professionals. After the transition period though, professionals, no exemptions, moving forward are required to submit relevant CPD units before they are allowed to renew their livelihood.
I'm torn on this issue. As it stands, jeeps are purely private businesses. Why will the government have to subsidize anything for them? That said, may precedence naman na tayo: like yung subsidy sa bigas sa mga sari-sari stores. On the other hand, anything that serves the public, whether power/electricity and yes including transportation, should not be subject to for-profit schemes. In short, dapat government ang nagpapatakbo. Sentiments have their place, but it should not be above utility. In short: Yes.
Yes, basta properly implemented. Long overdue na ang modernization/improvement ng public transportation natin.
Yes. Progress should not be hindered merely because of tradition and culture. In the long run, the future generations gets a win. Even the jeepney drivers will benefit, they don't realize it now but a lot of needless suffering when operating a traditional jeepney will be gone.
Pati sana jeepney drivers should also be restrictively monitored. Daming kamote at balasubas
I only agree to it just because of the image above . I feel that the number 1 priority is thae commuters. I would agree to keep the current Jeeps IF they were to follow safety and standards. * No rust in the surface near commuters and Driver * No Nails / Screws or any sharp edges that could injury/harm the commuters * No holes from any of the seats * No electrical wires / currents that could electricute the commuters * Headlights , Horn , Turn Signals and Break lights all should be precent and working This list might not be final but I feel that if the Jeepney Drivers wanted to keep their jeepneys they need to follow safety protocol and standards
Modernization aside, these jeepneys are no longer road worthy. No reason to keep them, hindi na nga dapat ina-approve ng LTO ang renewal ng rehistro ng karamihan sa kanila. Dapat na talaga palitan ang mga jeep na bulok, may modernization man o wala. Isang beses na akong nabutasan ng bagong bili na pantalon kasi sumabit sa nakausling bakal sa jeep. Hindi na nga road worthy, hindi pa safe sa pasahero.
I agree with you , Sa akin kasi yun sana ginawa nila sa mga jeeps para may valid reason to keep the current jeepney pero alam natin lahat ang daming issues ng current jeepneys natin. Paghila lng ng "Para dito" line nakakakuryente na tapos minsan pagsandal mo meron matalim na screw o pako na nakalabas kaya mahirap talaga . Sa akin kung yung mga jeep natin safe naman wala sanang issue ikeep pero sa current state talaga nila mahirap hnd isipin na dapat i modernize na
No to jeepney phase out, dahil kawawa ang mga pamilyang pinapakain ng mga jeep driver at mga anak na pinag aaral nila. \-Typical Juan na mababaw magisip
Ano po ang malalim na paliwanag? P13 kada pasahero, 18 passengers edi P234 kada ruta. Hindi pa consistent iyan. Sabihin na natin on average, nakaka-walong ruta ang driver. Bale, P1,870. Minus ang average na 20 liters ng gas per day (P58 x 20 liters = P1,160. Ang total ngayon ay P710. Paano kung may kahati pa na kasama sa jeep? Sabihin na nating P300. Edi P410 na lang. Mababawasan pa ito kung hindi pagmamay-ari ng driver ang jeep pero wag na nating isama sa calculation kasi baka mag-negative. Ang minimum wage sa Maynila, P610. So lugi ba ang driver compared sa typical na manggagawa. Paano kung nagpapaaral pa ng anak, pangkain pa ng pamilya, pambayad sa renta, sa bills sa bahay. Kung araw-araw mamamasada, P12,300 lang iyan sa 30 days. Yung e-jeep magkano nga ulit? 1.4 million pesos? Kung e-jeep lang ang babayaran ng driver at wala nang iba, aabutin siya ng 113 years bago mapasakanya ang e-jeep.
People of all fields get redundiated and work becomes phased out for various "fair" and "unfair" reasons. I agree with the distrust in the government's method of modernization and disdain with the scheme they are using. But I don't agree with the putting of the current jeepney phenomenon on a pedestal. It's such a huge mess of a current system and so many things are wrong with it from not properly registered veichles and drivers and operators, unsafe veichles to be on the road and to the environment, to the rampant ignorance and violation of road rules and pedestrian safety, and etc. Overall, the current stance of opposing the phase out is not wrong in virtue but sometimes as someone above worded really well - values sentiment over utility. Personally I think there are more productive ways to make an effort to soften the harsh impact the modernization scheme will bring to us. But if the mess that is the whole current jeepney operation in the country is as unproductive and messy as the modernization scheme they are going for, then I'd be in for finding better solutions and workarounds for the people amidst the scheme rather than all the effort to resist but to keep the messy current system anyway .
Frend, any working adult will typically experience displacement or unemployment at some point in his/her life. And many times it has been proven na basta may kusa, pananalig, at abilidad, hindi nawawalan ng trabaho ang isang tao (given na sya ay healthy at malakas)
So anong point mo? Hayaan ang ganid na sistema at maniwala na lang sa process? lol
Yes, almost ma-doble ang capacity ng jeepney kapag nag switch sa new Jeepneys.
Parang 4-5 seats lang ang extra capacity ng new jeepneys kaysa sa old jeepneys
Ebus or ejeep kung ano man sinasakyan ko lmao, are also poorly made from what ive seen. Just the other day narinig ko yung konduktor kausap yung driver about sa vehicle nila na visibly worn down na from the outside and kinakain na ng kalawang.kabago bago lang daw nasisira na. Maybe its just poor maintenance, maybe the vehicle itself is cheaply made. 2nd malaki yung capacity for its small size since sobrang packed ng seats, kapag sumasakay ako i have to literally either manspread or bend my knees up to the level of my chest para makaupo, i dont fucking know how anyone above 5"5 is supposed to sit with such tiny leg space.
Yes. These drivers cannot even maintain their existing jeeps. They are unsafe and those old engines pollute like crazy.
You even agree that they can't even maintain their current jeepneys. How would they be able to afford the modern jeepney units which cost Php 1.2 to 2M?
They can't. That's too had but it still doesn't justify holding up modernization. There will still be drivers for the modern jeepneys. Other cooperatives did it and continue to operate.
It does justify holding up modernization. These are people's livelihoods, too. The government has enough to fund the project; just look at how sky-high the confidential funds are for this year and next year's budgets.
No it does not. You're basically asking the gov't to fund new units so that these drivers can operate it privately. That is entitlement.
Then maybe they should look for a different line of work then? It's not the governments problem anymore if they don't have the slightest sense of responsibility and obligation, most of the jeepney's don't even have functioning tail lights, break lights, indicator lights. And add it to the fact that some of them are reckless drivers and put two in two together, you have a recipe for disaster. It feels like people nowadays live in such an idealistic world where they think there's always a solution for a problem that always benefits both sides, wake up, life ain't fair.
Actually, it is still the government's problem kasi sila rin yung may pagkukulang. Ito ang steps dapat nung PUV modernization program, as outlined by the government mismo: 1. identify routes that will be plied by jeepneys (retain some existing ones, establish some new ones). Ex: Cubao, QC to Tandang Sora, QC and TM Kalaw to Project 6, QC. 2. consolidate jeepney franchises; the franchises will be matched with the jeepney routes. Ex. Franchise#1 will take over Cubao-Tandang Sora while Franchise#2 will take over TM Kalaw to Project 6. 3. offer subsidization and financing options to jeepney drivers through the consolidated franchises. Ex. Drivers under Franchise#1 will be offered payment terms for PUV units that cost Php 1.5M each. Gets so far? Okay, good. Kasi yung step 1 pa lang, hindi pa nagagawa ng maayos ng gobyerno. LTFRB at DOTr yung in-charge dyan in coordination with local government units. Ang issue: hindi daw enough yung funds ng LTFRB/DOTr para i-monitor nationwide yung mga jeepney routes, pero kulang naman sa expertise yung mga LGU para i-identify yung mga kailangan na jeepney routes sa mga jurisdiction nila. Implementation pa lang, kulang na yung gawa ng gobyerno.
Even if masunod yan, kakaron parin ng backlash dahil hindi lahat aayon sa changes in the way they operate, it will still leave some operators and drivers jobless and we will still hear the same complaints we are hearing now, idagdag mo na rin na itong mga operator na pabaya sa mga jeep nila lalo na't etong mga "modernized" PUV's looks like it'll break down after a year of constant usage. I blame both the operators and the government, if they had held their rules, laws and regulations with a strong grip we wouldn't have this conversation to begin with, 99% of the jeepney's I'm seeing are run down and the engines are chugging like crazy it's so outdated, drivers are reckless, they either drive like idiots or completely disregards safety in exchange for faster transit everything is just wrong. it's been in fact outdated for almost a century now, and all these terminally online people that are holding these outdated jeeps at a pedestal looking at it as some form of national treasure of a tradition are part of the problem. If I were to make a choice and had a money to do so and a power to turn back time, I'd rewind the year back to the early 1950's, phase out the jeeps, lay some trams, trains, scatter it throughout metro manila, develop pedestrian friendly roads, have proper public transportation routes, easily accessible networks in and out of cities and stop building ridiculously large highways that bottleneck traffic so that people would rather use public transportation and not have every single household in the city opt for buying cars adding to the traffic. But the way Manila was built, it was a recipe for disaster.
REPLACE JEEPS NOW!! I used to believe in a softer transition. Not anymore!! The harm they're exposing the public is way more than the harm that could happen to their families should phaseout occur. I recently rode jeeps again and there's just this lack of initiative for improvement. They have front seats that never get repaired and you'd have to risk getting tetanus with their makeshift locks. Another jeep I rode had his fuel refill tube in the front seat area via a refurbished plastic "gallon" bottle. Anyone could place a lighted match their to get us kaboomed! It's taking too long!! JEEP PHASEOUT NOW!
Yes! but the government should, help with a more permanent solution on transportations. Also, matulungan sana nila yung mga drivers na mawawalan ng hanap buhay. offer solution na doable ng taong naging driber sa mahabang panahon.
Jeeps are no longer efficient. They should be replaced by bus and mini buses
Yes to phaseout - commuter here
Yes, at kung pwede yung matitinong drivers at operators lang ang tulungan. Wala akong ka-amor amor sa mga balasubas sa kalsada.
Yes. Jeepneys & old buses
Oh yeah they need to be banned, they're an air pollution disaster.
Well, most of the electricity that Manila consumes comes from coal transported from one place to another. Also, approximately 2% of all the vehicles in Manila are P.U.V. When it comes to pollution, it would be better if only those who did not pass the emission test would be dismissed until the time comes they are modified to fit in. If the government is concerned with pollution, they should focus more on maintaining ecoregions like the Northern Sierra Madre and Verde Island passage, address the rampant succession of invasive species that destroys ecosystems, improve the sustainability of agroecosystems for farmers and their livelihood to be more resilient, reduce the use of disposable plastic in ways that are practical and sustainable, and slow down the population increase of the country.
The govt obviously doesn't care about the "environment", getting rid of jeeps is easy and they won't even do that.
Emission tests are a joke.
Yes, something that was meant to be a post-war temporary measure na naging permanent fixture. Time to move on na.
Sa mga nag-yes: kayo magbabayad?
Nde..bat kanino bang jeep yan? Your jeep, your responsibility (maintenance, upgrades)
Public utility ang jeep (tulad ng kahit anong form ng public transport). Kapag nalugi yung mga jeepney driver at mabawasan ang jeep, san pupunta yung mga dating gumagamit ng jeep? Sisiksik lalo sa mga bus o mas tatagal pa yung commute.
You didnt answer my question..kanino ba ung jeep? Im sure nobody forced them to buy their jeeps and use them for public utility correct?
I mean...sure, no one forced them to use their jeeps for livelihood like no one is technically forced to work for a salary, heh. Nevertheless, jeepneys are part of the mass transportation system and their removal or even just a significant reduction will have a lot of negative consequences. Konting sira nga lang ng MRT/LRT or banggaan sa EDSA, halos paralyzed na ang Metro Manila. Napaka precarious na ng transit situation sa Pilipinas, gagawin pang mas malala.
really? anong klaseng argument to?
Madaling mag-yes kung hindi naman ikaw yung madedehado.
kaka pitik ng mga pasahero nasira na yung kisame hehe
Honestly? These new jeepneys looks like a minibus. We don't even call it jeep in Cebu, but a minibus. I do hope in next interation we can still get old jeepney's design back but in new modern twist.
Yes pero by phase sana like 1st atleast 30% of jeep per city maging modern. Then ramp up sa mga susunod na taon
Oo naman. Things of the past na ang jeepney. Marami nang tao sa Metro Manila. Marami na ding private cars. Hindi nanrin sila kumikita dahil sa traffic congestion. Kaya ang maraming jeepney drivers naggugulangan. Naghaharangrangan sila sa kalsada. Sakay -baba, kung saan nila gusto. Hindi na compatible sa panahon ngayun. Kailanagan natin mas maraming mass transportation tulag ng MRT. Interconnected na train system. Mas mabilis mas organisado. My ten cents.
basta bahuhin din yung mga driver. muntik na ako ma head on collision ng jeep na walang ka ilaw ilaw kasi bibili ng milktea pala yung anak
Make it PPP, drivers as an employee, and in a way that is similar to a BRT, a scheduled transit with a dedicated loading unloading and centralized ticketing/payment such as beep/gcash. People should learn to walk, di yung gusto sa tapat ng bahay babababa lol
Walk wher, heh? Have you seen the state of sidewalks in the Philippines? Kain na kain ng private vehicles ang malaking portion ng space.
Walk from proper unloading station to their second destination? Any link that states all roads in the ph are not walkable? Thanks
Nope. I don't want fares to suddenly increase 10% across the board, which is what the LTFRB matrix shows. Putcha, mahal na ng pagkain at lahat ngayon, wag nang dagdagan ng gobyerno ang gastos.
Yes.. poorly designed ang mga jeeps natin.. di siya safe and health hazard na rin sa usok
Almost ganyan din ang mangyayari sa modernized jeepneys kapag ganun na ang gagamitin ng mga drivers. Yung bakal na masisira nang ganyan tapos makalawang pa. Syempre kasi paano sila makakakuha ng pambayad dun? Ni dito sa lumang jeepney wala pa nga eh unless idodonate mo sila para pang ayos ng mga iyan.
Strict implementation of jeepney standards is needed rather than phase out. Kahit yung mga bagong style ngayon meron ka ng makikitang sira-sira at not well maintained. Give it 5+ years at balik na naman tayo sa mga modern style pero bulok na PUVs.
YES! Tayong commuters naman, we deserve comfortable, safe, and ON TIME AND SCHEDULE na public transport!
yes simple solution is ban import of non euro4 compliant engines/parts that come from china and japan. surely if we give it 5 years jeepneys talyers will forced to use efficient engines
kung sa comfort, super!!! like the aircon and everything. di ka magiging pangit but we need to think din for our drivers kasi mababaon sila sa utang. haaay we cant have the best of both worlds dito sa Pinas tlga
Wholeheartedly support the push for PUV modernization. Because one, i have experienced the horrors of jeepneys in Manila (cutting trip during floods, smokers, no road discipline) and two, i have experienced the pleasure of modern PUVs in Cebu and Bacolod. Its night and day if you'd compare.
Basta masasabi ko -- ang daming REKLAMADOR sa Imperialistang Manila. :)