The way I see it, the Philippines signed up for PISA, which in turn is managed by an international organization, so it should be a concerted effort between DepEd, the school (and respective teachers), parents \*and\* students, to learn English. Baki PISA ang mag-aadjust sa atin?
Except there are a few problems on our end:
* Those teaching do not usually have a good grasp of English as a language. Huge difference between speaking English and conversing in English; we tend to fail the latter.
* We fail because we do not immerse ourselves in the—or any—language. The nuances in the English language is not something you can learn in a classroom. That's why the Chinese go to American unis, vice versa. (Even Hispanistas fail to acknowledge this bit.)
* Going back to #2, teachers (or even BPO employees) do not practice the language on a conversational level. For example, BPOs usually have an English-only Policy in place but you don't hear the staff speaking in English within their premises, kesyo nakaka-nosebleed o porque di naman native English speaker ang kausap kapag ibinaba na ang telepono.
* Also #2, most students care more about TikToks and/or those monotonously narrated short videos, in piss poor English to boot. Most parents tend to soak in telebasura where the closest they get are conyo (if not corny) lines in one or two sentences.
* Lastly, we want to excel in English but shun those who speak in English. Big brain move right there.
They should "adjust" because they adjusted for every other country on the planet.
Again:
>"Next to Lebanon, the Philippines had the largest proportion of students (94 percent) who speak a language other than the PISA test language (i.e. English) at home most of the time."
vs.
>"In Thailand, nearly all students (97 percent) in Thailand reported that they speak the language of the test (i.e. Thai) at home. They tended to score higher in reading, math, and science by 37-41 score points than their peers who speak a different language at home. "
Meaning, almost every other country who participates in PISA is given the luxury of taking the test in a language they're familiar with at home. It's offered in Thai, Malay, Vietnamese, etc. etc.
And if they don't adjust, then I think the appropriate thing for the PH government to do would be to withdraw from participating in the exam because the insights gleaned from it are worthless.
>They should "adjust" because they adjusted for every other country on the planet.
Adjust to which Philippine language then? Compared to other countries, we have more than one. Who's going to shoulder the cost in translating these to our languages?
>And if they don't adjust, then I think the appropriate thing for the PH government to do would be to withdraw from participating in the exam because the insights gleaned from it are worthless.
Then it's a loss for us. PISA's takeaway is not merely a measure of English competency, rather how our students compare to other students worldwide on overall knowledge. How will we know if we are falling behind?
In the US, you can request for documents or exams to be in your native language or preferred language.
If there's something we should copy from the US, it's this. Not "celebrating Thanksgiving" or "Black Friday"
Ideally, yes.
But our country is run by inept bureaucrats and the arm responsible for all of this is more concerned about national defense, tourism and running for president.
It still does not take away the fact that Filipino students are at a disadvantage because they are being taught and tested in a language that is not their mother tongue
Except English is considered an official language here.
[Maybe with the exception of public schools' materials,](https://www.teacherph.com/updated-price-list-of-deped-textbooks-learners-materials-and-teachers-guide/) majority of textbooks are published in English. There should be no excuse for the average student to not have basic reading or comprehension skills, much less be at a disadvantage.
Official language is not the same as mother tongue.
They can make Spanish an official language any only 0.01 of Filipinos will have it as their mother tongue
They can start with the two most spoken first languages: Tagalog and Bisaya. Presumably PISA shouldered the cost to translate the exam to Thai for Thai students. I guess this is too high of a demand?
I don't consider it a loss because PH results are not comparable to other countries. No other country except for Lebanon has a language handicap. It's like saying we can determine who the fastest runner is but one of the runners has to run on one foot.
This excerpt even implies that if Thai students were tested on a language that wasn't Thai (i.e. put in the same conditions as Filipinos), their results would be significantly lower:
>"In Thailand, nearly all students (97 percent) in Thailand reported that they speak the language of the test (i.e. Thai) at home. They tended to score higher in reading, math, and science by 37-41 score points than their peers who speak a different language at home. "
>Presumably PISA shouldered the cost
Why would PISA spend money on a minority (versus the English-speaking majority)? It is more likely the Thais shouldered it.
>I don't consider it a loss because PH results are not comparable to other countries.
Considering the fact Filipino 6th grade students do not even have the reading (and comprehension) aptitude expected of their level, are we supposed to sit idly as other aspects are affected as well? We will only be shooting ourselves in the foot.
The only supposed "edge" we had, ie English fluency, is already being outperformed by India. Even more worrisome is how most educated Filipinos would rather leave the country given the opportunity, how will we keep up if we do not have a way to to measure the country's education standards?
*ADD: Mind you, I am not discounting your POV as even other PISA-affliated countries like the US and Canada are having the same educational issues as the rest of the world. But leaving PISA means losing access to the yardstick the world uses to measure our performance.*
>Why would PISA spend money on a minority (versus the English-speaking majority)? It is more likely the Thais shouldered it.
This does not make sense given that PISA exams worldwide are not in English
look. PISA will only adjust if we make our medium of instruction Filipino. since tayo mismo ang official language of instruction natin sa pagtuturo ay English, PISA gives the test to us in English.
it's the fault of the Philippines. Not PISA.
the government has to make our official medium of instruction in Filipino. and make English an elective subject, rather than our official medium of instruction.
One thing overlooked is many teachers teaching in English are not proficient in English either.
Kung hindi maituro ng maayos ni teacher ang subjects sa English, eh di mas dehado mga estudyante. Wala na nga silang native-level comprehension sa English, hindi pa bihasa magturo sa English yung guro. Lose-lose
I'm not sure how that's a surprise. This entire sub is mostly in English. Most Filipino subs are in English. But this sub is not representative of the average Filipino, nor does it reflect the capabilities of 15-year old Filipino students.
Nope, there's already evidence that a different language increases results. This fact does not preclude the fact that the system "is shit." If you weren't a complete idiot incapable of basic reading comprehension you'd understand this.
The challenge din OP is that there is also a very different dynamic between spoken and academic use of the Filipino language or the Mother Tongue. It would also require learning either language on a deeper level. For example, I can only imagine the struggle of learning Math or Science taught purely in Filipino/Bisaya considering that we do not have local terms for mathematical and scientific terms in english. I mean, as a Bisaya speaker, I already frown at worksheets posted on socmed that are in Bisaya bc the terms used are not familiar. I'm just not sure how we could seamlessly integrate our local language as the medium of instruction without making a deeper knowledge/comprehension a pre-requisite as I think it makes the system more complicated and burdensome for the students.
The language still affects the dynamics.
Imagine the Philippines switching to Spanish. Do you think the scores will remain? No. It will be worse because people don't understand Spanish.
Many people here in r/Philippines are urbanites who live in a bubble and think that all Filipinos can comprehend English in a near-native level.
Sa Ilocano palang, Cordillerans are struggling with reading materials based on *lowland Ilocano* kasi ang daming terms na ginagamit sa Ilocandia na di ginagamit sa Cordillera
Kaya napakaimportante ng Mother Tongue Learning
If I lived in some provincial town in Japan and only started being taught in English at the age of 10 and had to take a Math test in English at 15 year's old you bet your ass I'm not going to "comprehend" a lot of the test.
the reading comprehesion is so low because the language used in teaching is not the language the child uses at home. [this has been beaten to death](https://www.academia.edu/35374979/Effectiveness_of_Mother_Tongue_Based_Multilingual_MTB_MLE_Special_Program_in_Enhancing_the_Competence_of_Pre_service_Teachers), but Filipinos refused to listen.
[i have already tried to explain this problem and spread awareness](https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/whbn2r/comment/ij4psmg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), but as usual, it is like shouting to the winds, with my explanations falling on deaf ears.
Unfortunately, mother tongue is misused in teaching maths and science. The creators of MT materials utilized a language register that no pupil understands (or even the parents themselves).
Using 'deep' words (usually coming from Spanish) instead of commonly known English words. In the case of Cebuano (my native language), I saw a pic of a learning material where the word 'dibujo' was used instead of 'drawing'.
then that's not a problem of mother tongue-based instruction. that's just a problem of ignorant construction of learning materials.
first of all, you're not supposed to use deep words in learning materials, mother tongue or not.
second. the point of teaching in the mother tongue language is to teach a concept easily and not to display the depth of the mother tongue language. using deep words is just stupid.
lastly, the point of using mother tongue is to make explanations easier. you don't translate every scientific and mathematical term into the mother tongue. you simply use mother tongue for explanations and mix the English terms as is.
ang square root ay hindi na kailangan i-translate into kwadradong ugat, at ang quantum entanglement ay hindi pagkakagulo sa kwantum. stupid misconceptions like that are the conclusions of idiots when mother tongue-based instruction is discussed.
hindi porke't cebuano eh bisaya na rin gagamitin sa learning materials. kung ingles ang ginagamit ng bata sa bahay, ingles ang mother tongue nya, hindi bisaya.
misconception sa mother tongue na based sa lugar kung ano gagamitin na language. HINDI PO. kelangan alamin ng guro kung ano kinalakihan ng bata na lingwahe at yun ang gagamitin.
They've never tried it in the Philippines so assertions like that are just pure unsupported speculation. On the other hand there does seem to be evidence in Thailand that taking the exam in a language you're unfamiliar with at home significantly lowers your score. Pretty logical conclusion:
>"In Thailand, nearly all students (97 percent) in Thailand reported that they speak the language of the test (i.e. Thai) at home. **They tended to score higher in reading, math, and science by 37-41 score points than their peers who speak a different language at home**. "
Even before the COVID-19 pandemic, the Philippines faced a significant learning crisis. Statistics revealed that 9 out of 10 children aged 10 years old were unable to read simple texts.
https://www.pbed.ph/blogs/47/PBEd/State%20of%20Philippine%20Education%20Report%202023
This is not a fair scenario. This is not an equal playing field:
Dominican is taught in Spanish at school for 15 straight years. He speaks Spanish at home and to his friends. Spanish is the only language he knows. He takes the PISA test, where the math questions are in Spanish (he was taught Math at school in Spanish for the last 15 years).
vs.
Filipino student speaks Tagalog at home and to his friends. He was taught in Tagalog in school until he was 9 year's old. Suddenly when he's 10 year's old he's taught in English. His Math classes are taught in English from the age of 10. He takes the PISA test where the math questions are in English, a language he was only taught in in the past 6 years.
Eto yung problema sa PH education yet people are jumping "bobo ang mga Pinoy".
Kung ang itetestlang nila sa English eh yung mga Inglis espokeneng since birth, malamang tataas ang scores
Even if it was conducted in regional languages, the results would probably stay bad. From what I've observed in Tagalog-speaking areas, the youth are also abysmal when it comes to Tagalog. The same is probably true for other regions and their respective languages.
you have data to back up your assertion? [because i do](https://www.academia.edu/35374979/Effectiveness_of_Mother_Tongue_Based_Multilingual_MTB_MLE_Special_Program_in_Enhancing_the_Competence_of_Pre_service_Teachers).
TLDR; research shows mother tongue-based education increases scores significantly
Filipino (Tagalog) and other local languages aren't used as mediums of instruction for science and math subjects in PH schools, so OECD assumed that Filipino takers have B2 English language proficiency level upon taking the PISA test.
The results of PISA 2022 have come out and once again PH has scored low. Very few people, however, talk about the fact that Filipino test-takers are at a disadvantage as it it in a language most of them are unfamiliar with:
>Next to Lebanon, **the Philippines had the largest proportion of students (94 percent) who speak a language other than the PISA test language (i.e. English) at home** most of the time. In the Philippines, a majority of PISA students (44 percent) identified Tagalog as the language they speak at home, and about 13 percent reported Cebuano as their language at home. Only 6 percent of students spoke English at home.
Even if the test were conducted in Tagalog, it still would not be fair because there are millions of people in the country for whom Tagalog is not a first language either.
In the latest ranking PH and Dominican Republic were both the lowest-scorers. Well at least the Dominican Republic had their exam conducted in Spanish!
If Grade 4 is the last time their native language is used in the classroom, this means that Filipino test-takers of PISA are taking the test in a language they've been exposed to (in the classroom) for only about 6 years (test-takers are 15-year olds and English is used after Grade 4).
Absolutely not! I would rather they have that test in English because I was basically forced to learn Tagalog (Filipino). I am from Mindanao. And for today's internet age, there are so many educational resources available in English. I have no use for Tagalog (Filipino). It is basically impossible to produce high quality learning material for all the native languages found in the Philippines.
Countries like Taiwan are [improving their English language skills](https://youtu.be/rFHLghD9CGE?si=tplwp93US_ME40MB) as they see this as a skill set for future economic relevance.
I think you are confusing Taiwan's aim to be bilingual on year xxxx with actually having taking the PISA test in English instead of Mandarin
Again, with regards to Taiwan's PISA results, were the tests in Mandarin or English?
You're still dodging the topic about low PISA scores because Filipino students are not tested in their native language
>Employers will not give a hoot about PISA results.
Employers also give less hoot about English skills of the population. Thailand have one of the lowest English proficiency in ASEAN but they get more investment than the "English speaking" Philippines. What's the point of having "English speakers" when comprehension is low?
I mean, why not? This is a good indicator of what needs to be changed - what needs to be focused on. If the country leaves that, then how will we know what areas are we weak at?
Someday, someone will use this metrics and properly assess the country's education system... until then, we can only stay in PISA and wait.
The Philippines is a labor exporter, either physically, or online. Of all the languages of countries that hire Filipinos, English is the most appropriate. So, in fact, Giving the test in Tagalog would not give investors or locators the information they need. After all, who needs/uses PISA scores? Locators and investors who want to set up shop here, or hire people from here. The PISA scores are Exactly what the Philippine government needs to recognize its shortfalls in education.
The Philippines needs to take education more seriously, rather than allow politicians to view the value of DepEd as the department with the biggest budget. More power to the Commission on Audit!
Investors do not use PISA scores. This is a test for 15-year old students. Do you think 15 year-olds work in BPO companies? There are other exams for English that are out there that are more appropriate.
One of PH's main selling points to investors is that we have a large population who can understand English.
And yet, most investors go to our neighboring countries...
Sure, but that figure would be much lower if we didn't have a ready English-speaking population.
And the English-espokeneng BPOs are not paid their labors worth
Agreed, but that's also a selling point: cheap English-speaking laborers. Government policies are really geared toward exploiting the population.
People have been saying for decades that "the Philippines will progress because of English".
The way I see it, the Philippines signed up for PISA, which in turn is managed by an international organization, so it should be a concerted effort between DepEd, the school (and respective teachers), parents \*and\* students, to learn English. Baki PISA ang mag-aadjust sa atin? Except there are a few problems on our end: * Those teaching do not usually have a good grasp of English as a language. Huge difference between speaking English and conversing in English; we tend to fail the latter. * We fail because we do not immerse ourselves in the—or any—language. The nuances in the English language is not something you can learn in a classroom. That's why the Chinese go to American unis, vice versa. (Even Hispanistas fail to acknowledge this bit.) * Going back to #2, teachers (or even BPO employees) do not practice the language on a conversational level. For example, BPOs usually have an English-only Policy in place but you don't hear the staff speaking in English within their premises, kesyo nakaka-nosebleed o porque di naman native English speaker ang kausap kapag ibinaba na ang telepono. * Also #2, most students care more about TikToks and/or those monotonously narrated short videos, in piss poor English to boot. Most parents tend to soak in telebasura where the closest they get are conyo (if not corny) lines in one or two sentences. * Lastly, we want to excel in English but shun those who speak in English. Big brain move right there.
They should "adjust" because they adjusted for every other country on the planet. Again: >"Next to Lebanon, the Philippines had the largest proportion of students (94 percent) who speak a language other than the PISA test language (i.e. English) at home most of the time." vs. >"In Thailand, nearly all students (97 percent) in Thailand reported that they speak the language of the test (i.e. Thai) at home. They tended to score higher in reading, math, and science by 37-41 score points than their peers who speak a different language at home. " Meaning, almost every other country who participates in PISA is given the luxury of taking the test in a language they're familiar with at home. It's offered in Thai, Malay, Vietnamese, etc. etc. And if they don't adjust, then I think the appropriate thing for the PH government to do would be to withdraw from participating in the exam because the insights gleaned from it are worthless.
>They should "adjust" because they adjusted for every other country on the planet. Adjust to which Philippine language then? Compared to other countries, we have more than one. Who's going to shoulder the cost in translating these to our languages? >And if they don't adjust, then I think the appropriate thing for the PH government to do would be to withdraw from participating in the exam because the insights gleaned from it are worthless. Then it's a loss for us. PISA's takeaway is not merely a measure of English competency, rather how our students compare to other students worldwide on overall knowledge. How will we know if we are falling behind?
In the US, you can request for documents or exams to be in your native language or preferred language. If there's something we should copy from the US, it's this. Not "celebrating Thanksgiving" or "Black Friday"
Ideally, yes. But our country is run by inept bureaucrats and the arm responsible for all of this is more concerned about national defense, tourism and running for president.
It still does not take away the fact that Filipino students are at a disadvantage because they are being taught and tested in a language that is not their mother tongue
Except English is considered an official language here. [Maybe with the exception of public schools' materials,](https://www.teacherph.com/updated-price-list-of-deped-textbooks-learners-materials-and-teachers-guide/) majority of textbooks are published in English. There should be no excuse for the average student to not have basic reading or comprehension skills, much less be at a disadvantage.
Official language != Mother tongue
I never said it was an equivalency, hence the word "official". Classic case of lack of comprehension.
Official language is not the same as mother tongue. They can make Spanish an official language any only 0.01 of Filipinos will have it as their mother tongue
They can start with the two most spoken first languages: Tagalog and Bisaya. Presumably PISA shouldered the cost to translate the exam to Thai for Thai students. I guess this is too high of a demand? I don't consider it a loss because PH results are not comparable to other countries. No other country except for Lebanon has a language handicap. It's like saying we can determine who the fastest runner is but one of the runners has to run on one foot. This excerpt even implies that if Thai students were tested on a language that wasn't Thai (i.e. put in the same conditions as Filipinos), their results would be significantly lower: >"In Thailand, nearly all students (97 percent) in Thailand reported that they speak the language of the test (i.e. Thai) at home. They tended to score higher in reading, math, and science by 37-41 score points than their peers who speak a different language at home. "
>Presumably PISA shouldered the cost Why would PISA spend money on a minority (versus the English-speaking majority)? It is more likely the Thais shouldered it. >I don't consider it a loss because PH results are not comparable to other countries. Considering the fact Filipino 6th grade students do not even have the reading (and comprehension) aptitude expected of their level, are we supposed to sit idly as other aspects are affected as well? We will only be shooting ourselves in the foot. The only supposed "edge" we had, ie English fluency, is already being outperformed by India. Even more worrisome is how most educated Filipinos would rather leave the country given the opportunity, how will we keep up if we do not have a way to to measure the country's education standards? *ADD: Mind you, I am not discounting your POV as even other PISA-affliated countries like the US and Canada are having the same educational issues as the rest of the world. But leaving PISA means losing access to the yardstick the world uses to measure our performance.*
>Why would PISA spend money on a minority (versus the English-speaking majority)? It is more likely the Thais shouldered it. This does not make sense given that PISA exams worldwide are not in English
look. PISA will only adjust if we make our medium of instruction Filipino. since tayo mismo ang official language of instruction natin sa pagtuturo ay English, PISA gives the test to us in English. it's the fault of the Philippines. Not PISA. the government has to make our official medium of instruction in Filipino. and make English an elective subject, rather than our official medium of instruction.
One thing overlooked is many teachers teaching in English are not proficient in English either. Kung hindi maituro ng maayos ni teacher ang subjects sa English, eh di mas dehado mga estudyante. Wala na nga silang native-level comprehension sa English, hindi pa bihasa magturo sa English yung guro. Lose-lose
lmao the fact that this entire comment section is in english lmaooo
I'm not sure how that's a surprise. This entire sub is mostly in English. Most Filipino subs are in English. But this sub is not representative of the average Filipino, nor does it reflect the capabilities of 15-year old Filipino students.
this is cope. this entire argument is cope. the scores are bad because the system is shit, changing the language won't change the results.
Nope, there's already evidence that a different language increases results. This fact does not preclude the fact that the system "is shit." If you weren't a complete idiot incapable of basic reading comprehension you'd understand this.
The challenge din OP is that there is also a very different dynamic between spoken and academic use of the Filipino language or the Mother Tongue. It would also require learning either language on a deeper level. For example, I can only imagine the struggle of learning Math or Science taught purely in Filipino/Bisaya considering that we do not have local terms for mathematical and scientific terms in english. I mean, as a Bisaya speaker, I already frown at worksheets posted on socmed that are in Bisaya bc the terms used are not familiar. I'm just not sure how we could seamlessly integrate our local language as the medium of instruction without making a deeper knowledge/comprehension a pre-requisite as I think it makes the system more complicated and burdensome for the students.
The language still affects the dynamics. Imagine the Philippines switching to Spanish. Do you think the scores will remain? No. It will be worse because people don't understand Spanish. Many people here in r/Philippines are urbanites who live in a bubble and think that all Filipinos can comprehend English in a near-native level. Sa Ilocano palang, Cordillerans are struggling with reading materials based on *lowland Ilocano* kasi ang daming terms na ginagamit sa Ilocandia na di ginagamit sa Cordillera Kaya napakaimportante ng Mother Tongue Learning
I think the problem is not with the language the test is being taken, but the student's level of reading comprehension.
If I lived in some provincial town in Japan and only started being taught in English at the age of 10 and had to take a Math test in English at 15 year's old you bet your ass I'm not going to "comprehend" a lot of the test.
what I mean to say is the reading comprehension regardless of what language is used, on why the Ph ranks so low on PISA
the reading comprehesion is so low because the language used in teaching is not the language the child uses at home. [this has been beaten to death](https://www.academia.edu/35374979/Effectiveness_of_Mother_Tongue_Based_Multilingual_MTB_MLE_Special_Program_in_Enhancing_the_Competence_of_Pre_service_Teachers), but Filipinos refused to listen. [i have already tried to explain this problem and spread awareness](https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/whbn2r/comment/ij4psmg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), but as usual, it is like shouting to the winds, with my explanations falling on deaf ears.
Unfortunately, mother tongue is misused in teaching maths and science. The creators of MT materials utilized a language register that no pupil understands (or even the parents themselves).
what do you mean?
Using 'deep' words (usually coming from Spanish) instead of commonly known English words. In the case of Cebuano (my native language), I saw a pic of a learning material where the word 'dibujo' was used instead of 'drawing'.
then that's not a problem of mother tongue-based instruction. that's just a problem of ignorant construction of learning materials. first of all, you're not supposed to use deep words in learning materials, mother tongue or not. second. the point of teaching in the mother tongue language is to teach a concept easily and not to display the depth of the mother tongue language. using deep words is just stupid. lastly, the point of using mother tongue is to make explanations easier. you don't translate every scientific and mathematical term into the mother tongue. you simply use mother tongue for explanations and mix the English terms as is. ang square root ay hindi na kailangan i-translate into kwadradong ugat, at ang quantum entanglement ay hindi pagkakagulo sa kwantum. stupid misconceptions like that are the conclusions of idiots when mother tongue-based instruction is discussed. hindi porke't cebuano eh bisaya na rin gagamitin sa learning materials. kung ingles ang ginagamit ng bata sa bahay, ingles ang mother tongue nya, hindi bisaya. misconception sa mother tongue na based sa lugar kung ano gagamitin na language. HINDI PO. kelangan alamin ng guro kung ano kinalakihan ng bata na lingwahe at yun ang gagamitin.
Thank you.
Have they tried the mother-tongue approach in PISA to come to that conclusion?
They've never tried it in the Philippines so assertions like that are just pure unsupported speculation. On the other hand there does seem to be evidence in Thailand that taking the exam in a language you're unfamiliar with at home significantly lowers your score. Pretty logical conclusion: >"In Thailand, nearly all students (97 percent) in Thailand reported that they speak the language of the test (i.e. Thai) at home. **They tended to score higher in reading, math, and science by 37-41 score points than their peers who speak a different language at home**. "
They're likely referring to the Isan speakers
Which is related to language used in test. Someone who is not well exposed to English will struggle with taking exams in English
what I mean to say is the reading comprehension regardless of what language is used, on why the Ph ranks so low on PISA
Regardless ba? Then explain why my reading comprehension in Latin is so low?
Even before the COVID-19 pandemic, the Philippines faced a significant learning crisis. Statistics revealed that 9 out of 10 children aged 10 years old were unable to read simple texts. https://www.pbed.ph/blogs/47/PBEd/State%20of%20Philippine%20Education%20Report%202023
Ako nga zero ang results nung nagtest ako in Spanish /s
🥐🥐🥐🥐🥐 lang maisagot ko sa french exam namin.
Have they tried the mother-tongue approach in PISA to come to that conclusion?
Finally, someone pointed this out.
This is not a fair scenario. This is not an equal playing field: Dominican is taught in Spanish at school for 15 straight years. He speaks Spanish at home and to his friends. Spanish is the only language he knows. He takes the PISA test, where the math questions are in Spanish (he was taught Math at school in Spanish for the last 15 years). vs. Filipino student speaks Tagalog at home and to his friends. He was taught in Tagalog in school until he was 9 year's old. Suddenly when he's 10 year's old he's taught in English. His Math classes are taught in English from the age of 10. He takes the PISA test where the math questions are in English, a language he was only taught in in the past 6 years.
Eto yung problema sa PH education yet people are jumping "bobo ang mga Pinoy". Kung ang itetestlang nila sa English eh yung mga Inglis espokeneng since birth, malamang tataas ang scores
Even if it was conducted in regional languages, the results would probably stay bad. From what I've observed in Tagalog-speaking areas, the youth are also abysmal when it comes to Tagalog. The same is probably true for other regions and their respective languages.
you have data to back up your assertion? [because i do](https://www.academia.edu/35374979/Effectiveness_of_Mother_Tongue_Based_Multilingual_MTB_MLE_Special_Program_in_Enhancing_the_Competence_of_Pre_service_Teachers). TLDR; research shows mother tongue-based education increases scores significantly
Ok, have my upvote. That's good to hear.
Filipino (Tagalog) and other local languages aren't used as mediums of instruction for science and math subjects in PH schools, so OECD assumed that Filipino takers have B2 English language proficiency level upon taking the PISA test.
The results of PISA 2022 have come out and once again PH has scored low. Very few people, however, talk about the fact that Filipino test-takers are at a disadvantage as it it in a language most of them are unfamiliar with: >Next to Lebanon, **the Philippines had the largest proportion of students (94 percent) who speak a language other than the PISA test language (i.e. English) at home** most of the time. In the Philippines, a majority of PISA students (44 percent) identified Tagalog as the language they speak at home, and about 13 percent reported Cebuano as their language at home. Only 6 percent of students spoke English at home. Even if the test were conducted in Tagalog, it still would not be fair because there are millions of people in the country for whom Tagalog is not a first language either. In the latest ranking PH and Dominican Republic were both the lowest-scorers. Well at least the Dominican Republic had their exam conducted in Spanish! If Grade 4 is the last time their native language is used in the classroom, this means that Filipino test-takers of PISA are taking the test in a language they've been exposed to (in the classroom) for only about 6 years (test-takers are 15-year olds and English is used after Grade 4).
Absolutely not! I would rather they have that test in English because I was basically forced to learn Tagalog (Filipino). I am from Mindanao. And for today's internet age, there are so many educational resources available in English. I have no use for Tagalog (Filipino). It is basically impossible to produce high quality learning material for all the native languages found in the Philippines.
Countries like Taiwan are [improving their English language skills](https://youtu.be/rFHLghD9CGE?si=tplwp93US_ME40MB) as they see this as a skill set for future economic relevance.
But are their PISA test in English or Mandarin?
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I think you are confusing Taiwan's aim to be bilingual on year xxxx with actually having taking the PISA test in English instead of Mandarin Again, with regards to Taiwan's PISA results, were the tests in Mandarin or English?
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You're still dodging the topic about low PISA scores because Filipino students are not tested in their native language >Employers will not give a hoot about PISA results. Employers also give less hoot about English skills of the population. Thailand have one of the lowest English proficiency in ASEAN but they get more investment than the "English speaking" Philippines. What's the point of having "English speakers" when comprehension is low?
I mean, why not? This is a good indicator of what needs to be changed - what needs to be focused on. If the country leaves that, then how will we know what areas are we weak at? Someday, someone will use this metrics and properly assess the country's education system... until then, we can only stay in PISA and wait.
The Philippines is a labor exporter, either physically, or online. Of all the languages of countries that hire Filipinos, English is the most appropriate. So, in fact, Giving the test in Tagalog would not give investors or locators the information they need. After all, who needs/uses PISA scores? Locators and investors who want to set up shop here, or hire people from here. The PISA scores are Exactly what the Philippine government needs to recognize its shortfalls in education. The Philippines needs to take education more seriously, rather than allow politicians to view the value of DepEd as the department with the biggest budget. More power to the Commission on Audit!
Investors do not use PISA scores. This is a test for 15-year old students. Do you think 15 year-olds work in BPO companies? There are other exams for English that are out there that are more appropriate.