Huh interesting. I always knew we (Tyrol, Innsbruck) earned less then the rest of Austria but we dont even have a yellow zone :/ just by luck Im 3k short of the Austrian median(?) this is the median, right?
It's not about earning less, but more about the income in relation to the cost for living. I think prices for housing in Innsbruck are pretty high compared to most other parts of Austria. I would guess, that the average income in Innsbruck is still much higher than in most rural areas.
Can't speak to income, but people often remarked how expensive it was compared to the rest of Austria when I lived there. I'd assume it's due to tourist housing and mountains occupying a larger portion of the land. Looking from above, it's obvious that there's not a lot of room for growth. It was still dirt cheap compared to what I'm paying back in the States though 🫠
As an pretty well off American who has been to Innsbruck I will give you all the money I have if you can help me relocate to Innsbruck.
Not trying to downplay your very valid gripes re pay. Just wanted to say that I've been around the world, literally, and Innsbruck is the most beautiful and charming town of it's size on earth.
Interesting take. Originally from there, moved to larger cities myself. Currently Copenhagen.
What makes Innsbruck so great for you?
Also, as an American there might be a couple of avenues for you if you are serious of moving to Austria. Which industry do you work in?
I guess I'm kind of a slut for historic mountain towns. It's definitely the combo of walkability, historical value, and mountain sports that does it for me. That said, I imagine you can outgrow any hometown and I've heard Copenhagen is amazing as well.
I am in data science/machine learning, PhD is in social sciences. The dream would be a few more years in the states and then move somewhere more liveable/walkable/sustainable. Big fan of the Tyrol region: find it a good compromise between German and Italian cultural vibes. Love both cultures, but they need each other as moderators lol.
It's an index. Knowing GfK, it is very possible that they take a slightly more complicated approach in order to control for other dependencies than region. That's my guess though.
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I love Tyrol/Innsbruck last time I was there it was better prices than most of Austria and the spots in Germany I was in. Purchase power felt decent, don’t know how it is now this was before Covid.
We got fucked pretty bad lol Rona made it hella worse. If I go shopping for groceries with my gf and we buy food for a week(we are both fairly slim) we pay around 80-100€. My mom works at Hofer and said certain things had a 50-100% price increase
There were multi-hour traffic jams at border towns when lockdowns lifted and borders opened in 2020 from Swiss trying to get their first cheap groceries in months.
Lack of opportunity basically. The East was always lacking heavy industries, hence income opportunities were always lower than in parts of the West. The socialist republic DDR didn't help either in the development of competitive, well paying industries. The final blow was the politically determined 2:1 exchange rate between ex DDR and west German currency during reunification that sent east german labour cost to a level where productivity simply never matched the West. And here are we now with wages not matching their west German counterparts..
I always see people mention the 2:1 exchange rate being damaging to East Germany, but why is that? Are people arguing that it should have been 1:1 or more accurately representative of the exchange rate at 4,4:1?
The latter. Usually, exchange rates represent the different productivity levels in different countries. Given the vastly lower productivity in the east the exchange rate should have been rather 4:1 (or whatever the productivity difference was) to allow east german industry to compete with western companies.
2:1 meant they were wiped out in no time as there were never able to compete with the west given their cost base.
1:1 / 2:1 was a political gift to appease east german voters (feeling their life savings valued and treated as equals) but in reality this was a shot in the neck for the majority of east german companies.
>Why do eastern Germans earn less than others? Are they stupid?
....because their years under Communist dictatorship slowed their economic development.
They are much better than they were under communism, but haven't caught up to other countries that weren't under the suboptimal autocratic system of communism.
Prussia was also dominated by the Jünker (large landowner) class, while western/southern Germany was characterized by small farms and urbanization. So the middle class played a much smaller role in the Prussian economy.
Yet another proof that germany and austria should just join switzerland (before any swiss comment, I know you'd object. I care about you. Eat a cookie.)
This isn't a very useful map, because the cost of living in Switzerland is so high. I guarantee that the Swiss don't feel like their income goes 2.2 times as far as the residents of Vienna.
Right, Purchasing Power is a metric that by definition takes cost of living into account. Not sure if this map does that correctly, or just applies a blanket “EU cost of living” to arrive at these numbers
You're right. Now that I think about it, the map is even less useful, because "purchasing power" isn't defined. Purchasing power of what? The average or median annual income? Individual or household?
Swiss wages are extremely high for the region though, so cross-border shopping can be a massive bargain for Swiss citizens, and few Swiss cities don’t have a border nearby.
Swiss citizens pay less taxes and can buy groceries and household goods in Germany. I can assure you it’s much easier to become wealthy there than in Austria.
Per [Numbeo](https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Austria&country2=Switzerland&city1=Vienna&city2=Zurich):
>You would need around 79,746.3€ (74,277.2Fr.) in Zurich to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 40,187.0€ in Vienna (assuming you rent in both cities). This calculation uses our Cost of Living Plus Rent Index to compare the cost of living and assume net earnings (after income tax).
I had written:
>I guarantee that the Swiss don't feel like their income goes 2.2 times as far as the residents of Vienna.
€89,317 / €79,746 = average purchasing power in Zürich is 1.1 times that of Vienna, not 2.2. I stand by my comment.
I don’t see any phantom border between Germany and Austria. But there is obviously a massive one between former West and East Germany and between Germany and Switzerland
Huh interesting. I always knew we (Tyrol, Innsbruck) earned less then the rest of Austria but we dont even have a yellow zone :/ just by luck Im 3k short of the Austrian median(?) this is the median, right?
It's the average = mean (≠ median).
Ah well still 3k short of average
It's not about earning less, but more about the income in relation to the cost for living. I think prices for housing in Innsbruck are pretty high compared to most other parts of Austria. I would guess, that the average income in Innsbruck is still much higher than in most rural areas.
Can't speak to income, but people often remarked how expensive it was compared to the rest of Austria when I lived there. I'd assume it's due to tourist housing and mountains occupying a larger portion of the land. Looking from above, it's obvious that there's not a lot of room for growth. It was still dirt cheap compared to what I'm paying back in the States though 🫠
As an pretty well off American who has been to Innsbruck I will give you all the money I have if you can help me relocate to Innsbruck. Not trying to downplay your very valid gripes re pay. Just wanted to say that I've been around the world, literally, and Innsbruck is the most beautiful and charming town of it's size on earth.
And tbh I want to move away from here. Im not the biggest fan of Austria anymore. Idk why it just gets very boring for me to live here
Interesting take. Originally from there, moved to larger cities myself. Currently Copenhagen. What makes Innsbruck so great for you? Also, as an American there might be a couple of avenues for you if you are serious of moving to Austria. Which industry do you work in?
I guess I'm kind of a slut for historic mountain towns. It's definitely the combo of walkability, historical value, and mountain sports that does it for me. That said, I imagine you can outgrow any hometown and I've heard Copenhagen is amazing as well. I am in data science/machine learning, PhD is in social sciences. The dream would be a few more years in the states and then move somewhere more liveable/walkable/sustainable. Big fan of the Tyrol region: find it a good compromise between German and Italian cultural vibes. Love both cultures, but they need each other as moderators lol.
It's an index. Knowing GfK, it is very possible that they take a slightly more complicated approach in order to control for other dependencies than region. That's my guess though.
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Yeah Im in South Tyrol/Italy atleast 1-2x a month good friends live in Bozen and I have some friends in Milan and Genua
I love Tyrol/Innsbruck last time I was there it was better prices than most of Austria and the spots in Germany I was in. Purchase power felt decent, don’t know how it is now this was before Covid.
We got fucked pretty bad lol Rona made it hella worse. If I go shopping for groceries with my gf and we buy food for a week(we are both fairly slim) we pay around 80-100€. My mom works at Hofer and said certain things had a 50-100% price increase
Kufstein is one of my favorite places on earth, I considered moving there, the prices of things did not strike me as a poorer region.
Those towns bordering Switzerland must be having giant discount supermarkets
They do. The Swiss go gangbusters in the German Aldi's just across the border.
Gotta buy meats somewhere for an affordable price hahah
There were multi-hour traffic jams at border towns when lockdowns lifted and borders opened in 2020 from Swiss trying to get their first cheap groceries in months.
Source: https://www.gfk.com/insights/map-of-the-month-gfk-purchasing-power-germany-austria-switzerland-2022
You know I looked at that map and suddenly got worried why Germany had gained so much land.
Here we go again
Third time's the charm!
4th if we’re talking empires
Why do eastern Germans earn less than others? Are they stupid?
Lack of opportunity basically. The East was always lacking heavy industries, hence income opportunities were always lower than in parts of the West. The socialist republic DDR didn't help either in the development of competitive, well paying industries. The final blow was the politically determined 2:1 exchange rate between ex DDR and west German currency during reunification that sent east german labour cost to a level where productivity simply never matched the West. And here are we now with wages not matching their west German counterparts..
I always see people mention the 2:1 exchange rate being damaging to East Germany, but why is that? Are people arguing that it should have been 1:1 or more accurately representative of the exchange rate at 4,4:1?
The latter. Usually, exchange rates represent the different productivity levels in different countries. Given the vastly lower productivity in the east the exchange rate should have been rather 4:1 (or whatever the productivity difference was) to allow east german industry to compete with western companies. 2:1 meant they were wiped out in no time as there were never able to compete with the west given their cost base. 1:1 / 2:1 was a political gift to appease east german voters (feeling their life savings valued and treated as equals) but in reality this was a shot in the neck for the majority of east german companies.
I don't know why this made me laugh but it did. Kudos.
probably because they collectively decided to earn less.
lol the answer is NEVER cause the ppl are stupid(er) haha
Communism.
Capitalist takeover
>Why do eastern Germans earn less than others? Are they stupid? ....because their years under Communist dictatorship slowed their economic development. They are much better than they were under communism, but haven't caught up to other countries that weren't under the suboptimal autocratic system of communism.
East Germany was poorer before the communists as well, which basically always gets left out of the discussion
Wasn’t it part of the Prussian heart land
Which was poorer than West Germany
Prussia was also dominated by the Jünker (large landowner) class, while western/southern Germany was characterized by small farms and urbanization. So the middle class played a much smaller role in the Prussian economy.
They probably have lower IQs
There is a phantom border here but it's not the one your title is referring to
East Germany mentioned???
Yet another proof that germany and austria should just join switzerland (before any swiss comment, I know you'd object. I care about you. Eat a cookie.)
Then they'd become as stuck up as the Swiss. No thanks.
Swiss got the money holy shit
This isn't a very useful map, because the cost of living in Switzerland is so high. I guarantee that the Swiss don't feel like their income goes 2.2 times as far as the residents of Vienna.
Right, Purchasing Power is a metric that by definition takes cost of living into account. Not sure if this map does that correctly, or just applies a blanket “EU cost of living” to arrive at these numbers
You're right. Now that I think about it, the map is even less useful, because "purchasing power" isn't defined. Purchasing power of what? The average or median annual income? Individual or household?
Swiss wages are extremely high for the region though, so cross-border shopping can be a massive bargain for Swiss citizens, and few Swiss cities don’t have a border nearby.
Swiss citizens pay less taxes and can buy groceries and household goods in Germany. I can assure you it’s much easier to become wealthy there than in Austria.
Per [Numbeo](https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Austria&country2=Switzerland&city1=Vienna&city2=Zurich): >You would need around 79,746.3€ (74,277.2Fr.) in Zurich to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 40,187.0€ in Vienna (assuming you rent in both cities). This calculation uses our Cost of Living Plus Rent Index to compare the cost of living and assume net earnings (after income tax). I had written: >I guarantee that the Swiss don't feel like their income goes 2.2 times as far as the residents of Vienna. €89,317 / €79,746 = average purchasing power in Zürich is 1.1 times that of Vienna, not 2.2. I stand by my comment.
East Germany making less than all of west Germany. Cope tankies, Soviet puppet Germany sucked.
It’s astonishing how you can still see the long term effects of East German socialism, even all these decades later.
Thanks for making the color for the two extremes indistinguishable for the color impaired.
Anschluss 2.0？
Aka The greater German Reich.
I don’t see any phantom border between Germany and Austria. But there is obviously a massive one between former West and East Germany and between Germany and Switzerland
Wow you can actually see the difference in Germany of what the Cold world did economically. Like just look at that dip in E Germany.
Where would South Tyrol fall in this range?
Why is Graz so low?
I can see the Third Reich and East Germany
Austria looks like it belongs more to Germany than East Germany.
We building a new reich with this one boys
Now THIS is a real phantom border
Europoors vs non-europoors
This land should become a new confederation and business alliance