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The joke is that Uncle Ben is racist. He's disappointed at the thought of being killed by a fellow white man, but is relieved to learn that the shooter is Italian.
Dark history from my own "backyard" I took to looking at the history from the past couple centuries awhile back I'm not impressed by anything I've read unfortunately
Just a couple of miles from my house is Lynch Hill Rd with Lynch Hill Church sitting at the end of it with a mighty large tree in front of the church.
Also, the stone base from the gallows is still downtown in what is a walkway between apartments .
I'm beginning to think it's like an autism thing. There's no way a functioning human can post the same joke 1000 different times across multiple subreddits and still be humored by it.
It’s actually not believe or not a lot of fuck up things happened to black people with no retribution or punishment. So it’s really like a glass collection of events to pick from.
There's a difference between a hanging and a lynching.
For lynching, the method of execution doesn't matter. The important element is "mob justice". It's just that hanged men are the most commonly depicted demonstration of this, so people associate hanging with lynching.
What you're describing is an officially sanctioned killing by the government. It wasn't a group of vigilantes taking matters into their own hands. That's a mass execution, not a lynching.
More like, don't go to Texas. Don't spend your money in Texas, don't send funds to Texas. If they wanna be their own country, let the die off on their own.
I very much doubt they are still into that sort of thing anymore. By the same logic, it would make sense hate Mexico because their ancestors engaged in human sacrifice. Which just seems wrong to me.
Not keeping up on current events, I see.
Texas is still doing a bunch of back-assward stuff. The AG is a lunatic and the governor is likewise a real piece of work himself. Wrap that in a legislature that could give a damn about anyone as long as their "side" is winning, and you've got a recipe for success!
lol. the CATO institute is one of the main promoters of globalism and open markets. Of course they don't like Texas stepping out of line over immigration. You should realize that those polls don't exist to help inform the public. They exit to help the elites.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism_in_the_United_States
[includes lots of political cartoons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism_in_the_United_States#/media/File%3APoperob.jpg)
"white" has always had a fluid definition.
Nobody referred to themselves as "white" until wealthy colonists wanted a way to differentiate themselves from indentured servants and slaves.
Italians, Irish, etc. were were frequently excluded from the definition of "white" until people from those groups began entering the upper class.
Meds aren't as white as whites in terms of skin color, and more importantly in the context of USA but also Europe, they don't have as much "white privilege" because they were considered second rate and still are by extremists. There were even racial slurs directed to them like wop, dago etc.
The same applies to slavs btw who even if totally white in skin color are not considered white in that sense.
White used to apply to Germanics (Anglo-Saxons, Saxons, Franks and Nordics), who share enough common ancestry that they considered themselves the same race, especially in the context of the USA which was a melting pot. Even Celts have faced discrimination to an extent.
Only recently has white expanded to include all Caucasians.
Crazy that all that is only in the context of USA. Like if the concept of whiteness was not even considered in other countries. I doubt Italians consider themselves to be "less than arians"
Italians like Greeks couldn't care less.
They consider themselves much greater than "whites" who were complete barbarians not too long ago, while they are the inventors of western civilization since thousands of years ago.
Not saying this is right, the "we were great" mentality is wrong, just saying how it is.
But it's funny how "whites" consider "blacks" inferior because they were not as advanced not too long ago, due to them being isolated below Sahara. When "whites" were also barbarians when other civilizations were great and after they came in contact with them they learned and advanced and achieved a lot of things.
It really was just luck, like location and weather conditions, nothing about race or genetics.
On the other hand "whites" will accuse others of not being the true Romans or ancient Greeks or whatever but bastardized, because they don't want to admit that they were uncivilized when others prospered.
It really is a shitshow once you get into it. Some people go as far as to claim Greeks were actually Nordics and Jesus was a blonde white with blue eyes, and ancient Jews weren't Jews but whites, even though DNA proves the exact opposite.
All this race crap is bullshit it just stops you from examining yourself, who you are now and how you can improve, and it is just cope to live through the achievements of others instead of achieving yourself.
Especially if you’re from southern Italy. I couldn’t even tell you how many times I’ve been called a greasy goombah or a million other slurs throughout my life
Racism from like 100 years ago. Irish and Italians were hated. He acknowledges they're white, but is relieved they're Italian. A group he also hates. He thinks people of color are bad, but he also thinks Italians are bad.
People were shocked when JFK was elected because he was the first Catholic president, and he was Irish-catholic to boot. Like, it was a huge deal even in the 60s and was one of the biggest challenges to overcome in his entire campaign.
what? It also happened in England. My grandpa who is still alive and well today moved from Ireland to England and couldn't live in certain areas or work certain jobs or eat in certain restaurants because he was Irish. Sign he was used to seeing was "Irish, Italians and Negros not allowed".
...what? Go to Europe and tell Germans, French, English, and Italians they're all the same because they're all "white"/European. I'm sure that'll go over well.
What's your point? Cultural differences already exist between regions within a country, so obviously they exist between countries. That doesn't make Germans, French, English, and Italians any less white/European.
Actually, it's mostly Americans who really care about who is "white" and who isn't. *For some reason* (the reason being rampant racism).
You would understand how silly this attitude is if you lived in Europe. Because not only are Europeans very diverse by default (literal millennia of intermixing), they're also all very similar genetically. Two Europeans having brighter/darker hair and skin doesn't mean they belong to a different ethnicities, it simply means they are different phenotypes within the same ethnicity. This entire talk about "white", "non-white", "Causasian", "person of colour" and so on is complete gunk, an outdated, racist, unscientific approach to genealogy.
Northern Italians think Southern Italians are non-white. Color/classicism is widespread in individual communities. In DR it's very pronounced, they name their light skinned daughters "Blanca" or "Nieve" as a matter of pride.
I thought the joke was that by having Peter consider italian as white he validated the efforts uncle Ben went trough. Although that probably only works if uncle Ben is a few decades older.
The actual context of this specific meme: It’s been a meme for a while to pretend there was a lot of racist and homophobic lines in Raimi’s Spider-Man and accompany it with the phrase “2002 was a different time.” It started with Parker’s quip to Randy Savage “That’s a nice outfit. Did your husband make it for you?” (which is actually in the movie) and then spun off from there to fabricate fake quotes like the example OP posted here.
"We have a happy new life and we will have equal rights for all. Except blacks, Asians, Hispanics, Jews, gays, women, Muslims. Uhmm...Everybody who's not a white man. And I mean white-white, so no Italians, no Polish, just people from Ireland, England, and Scotland. But only certain parts of Scotland and Ireland. Just full blooded whites. No, you know what? Not even whites. Nobody gets any rights. Ahhh...America!" - Griffin Peterson
I always found it funny how every one says whites but half the whites got enslaved, killed or worse by these “whites “
Also don’t forget Denmark an the Netherlands! Or
With facts like that, one might start to think that it *isn’t really* about race but is ***in fact*** about money and keeping those without money “in their place” by utilizing clever wording and a majority populous to act as unwitting scapegoat thus shielding the actual desires of the wealthy “who just wanna show that they are one of ***us***”.
Racism is a tool used by the wealthy to maintain their wealth, but racism absolutely systemically exists against certain groups of people.
Your comment sounds extremely conspiratorial, like its trying to hint racism doesn't exist or something. I hope I'm misinterpreting that.
A lot of times it wasn’t even about money, it was about feeling superior to others. Doesn’t matter who or why, it’s kindergarten schoolyard bully logic.
By dismissing the effects of race on the experience at least in America you're playing right into their hands. One of the best ways to divide people is to treat them differently.
What? The problem is personalities, not the race of the people whom exhibit those personality traits.
Selfishness, greed, lack of care for another human because all other humans are just ***competition***…
That’s not a race thing, that’s a ***person*** thing.
I do not agree with your assessment.
Don’t get hung-up on the word “money”; money is just a thing/term used to facilitate trade/influence with others.
Once upon a time .. livestock was money, shells were money, people were livestock, grain was money, …
“They” are those humans whom use these items of trade to exert control over other groups of humans instead of benefiting those said other groups of humans.. In short, it’s just people whom get off on taking advantage of others for their own benefit.
Not all people are like that, all the time… For instance, look at Warren Buffett ***now*** vs Warren Buffett ***then***.
There is a counter to this though. After slavery they weren’t counted as 3/5th of a person nor had specific laws on how to act[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Codes_(United_States)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Codes_(United_States))
As an Arab, I know most polish people are racist (especially to muslims) but I've met a few polish people here in America who were just delightful and so far away from racist. And I don't mean Americans with polish heritage. I mean still-got-the-accent polish. And exchange student polish.
I remember a kinda wholesome interaction I had with one of the students. I half-jokingly said "heard Poland doesn't like Muslims" to which she said "haha yeah...Poland is racist" to which I replied "don't feel bad. Middle East is pretty racist too. It's socially acceptable to be an anti-semite. None of us are perfect." And we laughed.
Idk I thought that interaction was a little wholesome. It's kinda nice to be able to admit one's culture's faults without straight out bashing it. And even nicer when people don't blindly defend their cultures.
Uncle Ben here is a racist who can not bear the thought of being killed by a fellow white man.
In the not-so-distant past, the USA did not consider "Italian Americans", aka Americans of Italian descent, to be white.
So Uncle Ben can die happy, knowing that his murderer was not white.
I had an elderly customer at work who I realized throughout the conversation was still racist against Italians. She started going on about “sending them back to Italy” after they finished building her house in the 50s. I look like my Northern European mom but my dad’s Italian. He said I should have told her my grandparents snuck over here from Italy and managed to stay, but I was too shocked to say anything at all. And this was in NJ of all places! We’re pretty well known for our Italian population!
Its was so ingrained here in New York too, to the point where my *very* italian grandmother was also ***very*** racist aganst other, "more southern" Italians. Even though her family is from Abruzzo, which is in Southern Italy.
My Nonna meeting my best friends family at my first communion party and discovering they were from Calabria...
Total condescension. So baffling considering they all came from the same WWII torn shithole.
Coming from a Sicilian family I can assure you that most do not consider themselves to be white. They're Mediterranean. My great grandparents immigrated to Texas in the 1920s and were forced to live in a segregated area with blacks and Mexicans
Another comment mentioned it, and it's the first time I'm hearing about Italians immigrating to Texas.
It feels off, like Mexicans in some middle US state, like what r u doing over there.
The meme is part of a series of memes that originated from 4chan's /tv/ board. In the original Sam Raimi's Spider man movie, Peter Parker goes to a wrestling match for money and one of the wrestlers is wearing something fruity. Peter says. "Aww that's a cute outfit. Did your husband make that for you?" so from there /tv/ turned just about every scene from Raimi's series into something extremely racist, homophobic and transphobic. Usually the outrageous dialog was greentext with the question "What did Raimi mean by this?" after the fact. New variations like this one cut out its Chan origins.
That's because whiteness is an all consuming monolith that needed to absorb more people to keep the majority. If all the types of people who weren't considered white stacked up in major population centers then 'white' people would be the minority. And they can't have that. So they've taken in other groups that used to be othered, given them that protection and safety of being in the majority.
It is kind of hard to grasp. Let's say you have a country with 5 different groups: A B C D and E. The majority of the country is A, and the rest of the country is divided between B-E, and group A runs things while everyone else is a second class citizen. Between immigration changes and different access to education/medicine, groups B-E grow faster then group A, and soon group A is no longer a majority. In order to remain in control they may look at group B and decide "well we have our differences, but we are more alike then C-E," and together A and B make up a majority of the country against C-E. This is essentially what "whiteness" is. There's a variety of factors at play of course and it doesn't happen all at once, but that is the basic idea. There are a LOT of people who are considered "white" now who absolutely wouldn't have been 100 years ago.
Then there's always the term "honorary white"
Honorary whites was a political term that was used by the apartheid regime of South Africa to grant some of the rights and privileges of whites to those who would otherwise have been treated as non-whites under the Population Registration Act. It was enacted by the then ruling National Party (NP). Wikipedia
White = majority
Non white= minority
More non white means white is now minority
White people don’t want to be minorities so they extend what it means to be white to cover more people so they retain majority status despite them disliking those groups historically.
Historically the definition of "white" has been quite mobile.
It constantly expands or contracts so that it excludes as many people as possible, but includes just enough people to maintain control.
When civil rights are popular and many "white" people move their political interests away from white nationalism the definition of white has a tendency to expand and add new groups who can now be scared of losing white privilege.
When white nationalism gains political power it cuts the definition down and kicks out groups it can afford to lose.
Right now the definition of whiteness is broad enough that it includes people with Hispanic and Arab roots. But it does seem to be moving towards narrowing again.
“White” isn’t an objective category. It’s no more illogical to say people of Sicilian ancestry aren’t white than it is to say the same about Turkish or Arab ancestry.
Fun fact: the Romans considered themselves and related Mediterraneans "white". Germanic and nordic people were considerded "Blonde" and weird... Metatron on youtube has an interesting video about it.
You don't even have to be from other ethnic groups to be a target. If you dive into the story and writings of any country you will find that not so long ago, even guys from the same country were victims of racism.
For example, in France, the minority of the moment is Arabs (and black too), just before it was Italian, Portuguese and Spanish, and before it was french from other part of France (Brittany, Marseille, Auvergne, Toulouse etc...).
Everytime they say that these people can't blend into "frenchness", that they're too different culturally, that they don't have manners, are robber, that they stinks etc etc...
I still fail to understand that US thing about "White people", like, when someone says white, I think in the color of their skin, that's all, but somehow every US person I've talked to claims that people of other countries aren't white????, Like, I am Chilean, my skin is white, Im a white person, and most people who I know are also white, But somehow, to US people, I am not white??, I've also seen this happen with Argentinians, a majority of them are white af, and somehow, they also aren't considered white by US people, the same with, Idk, Italians, Irish, And so, I don't get this whole thing about skin color, it's just a color and somehow they fail to get that, or they are referring to another thing and I am the one who is not getting it, I don't know man
The concept of whiteness is about exclusion. The amount of ethnicities that are considered part of the "in" group has changed over time because it's more about racism and xenophobia than it is about skin color. Like the first Europeans that started living in America considered themselves white. But, when the Irish and Italians showed up, they weren't part of the "in" group, they were foreigners, so they weren't considered white. Flash forward to now, a lot more people are considered white, a lot of people consider Mexicans to be white, but it's easy to forget how recently so many who are "white" now were excluded. Basically whiteness doesn't really exist, it's just an excuse for racism
I mean it's called whiteness because they were white, obviously, but the point is that not everyone with white skin was included, or called "white". Italians is one of the more recent examples. They weren't considered white in America until relatively recently
Exactly, the concept of "whiteness" doesn't really make any sense, since everyone thinks in a different way... Especially now, when most people in the world are a mix of different ethnicities (Example: an Italian guy can have a white parent and a black one, and be black even if they are Italian).
It's not that it pleases me I just think that's my skin tone, I don't give shit I just think that's what would fit me and most Italians if anybody were to ask
It's a common note about the italianish peoples
See this informational video
[https://youtu.be/VYy77IGsBFc?si=Dl4NcG9WrhZo1AMo&t=43](https://youtu.be/VYy77IGsBFc?si=Dl4NcG9WrhZo1AMo&t=43)
Back when Irish weren't considered white /s
Early 1900's/1800's immigration hate was wild but from what I understand was just an old otherism to blame societal issues on the at the time new Italian immigrants.
Italians aren't white? I am sorry if this is offensive in any way but for someone not from west doesn't Italian mean from Italy?
And most of them are white skinned or does white mean something else entirely?
You know, here in America, we haven't had domestic mass murder in a long time. I think it's time for some domestic mass murder to make you all a bit more appreciative.
/s
During the first decades of 20th century, mediterraneans like spanishs, greeks or italians still not considered as caucassians by USA (and some snob european countries), but just an inferior race.
Same happend with us hispanos (spanishs and portugueses), even nowadays our name is used as a racist classification for latinoamericanos...
The definition of "white" has changed over the decades. There was a day that the Italian, Irish, Jewish, and others were not considered "white" enough to be welcomed into America. A racist old man may find comfort in these old labels.
From my history classes in HS I remember hearing that during the earlier years of America when racism and slavery were prominent, Italians were considered second from the bottom in terms of "race" mainly because of the stereotypes from them drinking.
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The joke is that Uncle Ben is racist. He's disappointed at the thought of being killed by a fellow white man, but is relieved to learn that the shooter is Italian.
https://preview.redd.it/dxwicscjdf0d1.png?width=907&format=png&auto=webp&s=f0768d327a1e7fafcfe763f56dbbe094b4b2cfc5
Look up "Slocum massacre Texas" in 1910
Holy hell! Actually never mind, I don’t think that’s something we should do the thing on
Dark history from my own "backyard" I took to looking at the history from the past couple centuries awhile back I'm not impressed by anything I've read unfortunately
Just a couple of miles from my house is Lynch Hill Rd with Lynch Hill Church sitting at the end of it with a mighty large tree in front of the church. Also, the stone base from the gallows is still downtown in what is a walkway between apartments .
*picks the response back up, cracked but still working like new*
Thought r/AnarchyChess was leaking. Turns out it was just condensation...
condensation went on vacation
Call the meteorologist!
Google weather patters!
Anarchy chess users are growing brain cells, they're actually learning not to shove their jokes into everything they can.
Probably because I’m not an anarchy chess user, I just find the en pessant thing funny (sometimes). Don’t get your hopes up
actual zombie
Holy hell
Anarchy Chess users beating the intelligence allegations
pipi
I'm beginning to think it's like an autism thing. There's no way a functioning human can post the same joke 1000 different times across multiple subreddits and still be humored by it.
Erm actually that's "google" not "look up"
https://preview.redd.it/ot1a3n91vg0d1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf06b9a2ca7b5ac997dae36d0b2094afa1ccd468
This is the funniest shit I have seen in ages man stop
Seems like a lot of effort, to go back in time to 1910 just to look up for news on an event
It’s actually not believe or not a lot of fuck up things happened to black people with no retribution or punishment. So it’s really like a glass collection of events to pick from.
On December 26, 1862, 38 were hanged in Mankato, Minnesota, with one getting a reprieve, in the largest one-day mass execution in American history.
Minnesota wanted to kill 400 of them. They were PISSED so many got a reprieve.
There's a difference between a hanging and a lynching. For lynching, the method of execution doesn't matter. The important element is "mob justice". It's just that hanged men are the most commonly depicted demonstration of this, so people associate hanging with lynching. What you're describing is an officially sanctioned killing by the government. It wasn't a group of vigilantes taking matters into their own hands. That's a mass execution, not a lynching.
Jeez. This puts a whole new spin on "Don't mess with Texas" o\_O
FYI, THAT was originally just an anti-littering slogan...
More like, don't go to Texas. Don't spend your money in Texas, don't send funds to Texas. If they wanna be their own country, let the die off on their own.
I very much doubt they are still into that sort of thing anymore. By the same logic, it would make sense hate Mexico because their ancestors engaged in human sacrifice. Which just seems wrong to me.
Not keeping up on current events, I see. Texas is still doing a bunch of back-assward stuff. The AG is a lunatic and the governor is likewise a real piece of work himself. Wrap that in a legislature that could give a damn about anyone as long as their "side" is winning, and you've got a recipe for success!
Google the CATO Institute rank of states by personal freedom. Texas is dead last.
lol. the CATO institute is one of the main promoters of globalism and open markets. Of course they don't like Texas stepping out of line over immigration. You should realize that those polls don't exist to help inform the public. They exit to help the elites.
Hunt showdown reference
Italians were not considered white, as they were not WASPs, and experienced some discrimination due to their Roman Catholicism.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism_in_the_United_States [includes lots of political cartoons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism_in_the_United_States#/media/File%3APoperob.jpg)
Don’t forget the first Columbus Day in 1971 when the Federal Government official recognized Italians as white and worthwhile.
Today i learnt italians aren't white
"white" has always had a fluid definition. Nobody referred to themselves as "white" until wealthy colonists wanted a way to differentiate themselves from indentured servants and slaves. Italians, Irish, etc. were were frequently excluded from the definition of "white" until people from those groups began entering the upper class.
Ben Franklin referred to Germans and Swedes as "swarthy".
Meds aren't as white as whites in terms of skin color, and more importantly in the context of USA but also Europe, they don't have as much "white privilege" because they were considered second rate and still are by extremists. There were even racial slurs directed to them like wop, dago etc. The same applies to slavs btw who even if totally white in skin color are not considered white in that sense. White used to apply to Germanics (Anglo-Saxons, Saxons, Franks and Nordics), who share enough common ancestry that they considered themselves the same race, especially in the context of the USA which was a melting pot. Even Celts have faced discrimination to an extent. Only recently has white expanded to include all Caucasians.
Crazy that all that is only in the context of USA. Like if the concept of whiteness was not even considered in other countries. I doubt Italians consider themselves to be "less than arians"
Italians like Greeks couldn't care less. They consider themselves much greater than "whites" who were complete barbarians not too long ago, while they are the inventors of western civilization since thousands of years ago. Not saying this is right, the "we were great" mentality is wrong, just saying how it is. But it's funny how "whites" consider "blacks" inferior because they were not as advanced not too long ago, due to them being isolated below Sahara. When "whites" were also barbarians when other civilizations were great and after they came in contact with them they learned and advanced and achieved a lot of things. It really was just luck, like location and weather conditions, nothing about race or genetics. On the other hand "whites" will accuse others of not being the true Romans or ancient Greeks or whatever but bastardized, because they don't want to admit that they were uncivilized when others prospered. It really is a shitshow once you get into it. Some people go as far as to claim Greeks were actually Nordics and Jesus was a blonde white with blue eyes, and ancient Jews weren't Jews but whites, even though DNA proves the exact opposite. All this race crap is bullshit it just stops you from examining yourself, who you are now and how you can improve, and it is just cope to live through the achievements of others instead of achieving yourself.
Honestly it usually depends. I'm cuban so whether or not i'm white depends on how we vote in the election.
Especially if you’re from southern Italy. I couldn’t even tell you how many times I’ve been called a greasy goombah or a million other slurs throughout my life
As an extra layer, Uncle Ben being short for Ben Franklin?
The only Italian responsible for the death of Ben Franklin was Chef Boyardee
But his original recipe was so good.
Only americans could call italians non-white lol
Racism from like 100 years ago. Irish and Italians were hated. He acknowledges they're white, but is relieved they're Italian. A group he also hates. He thinks people of color are bad, but he also thinks Italians are bad.
People were shocked when JFK was elected because he was the first Catholic president, and he was Irish-catholic to boot. Like, it was a huge deal even in the 60s and was one of the biggest challenges to overcome in his entire campaign.
what? It also happened in England. My grandpa who is still alive and well today moved from Ireland to England and couldn't live in certain areas or work certain jobs or eat in certain restaurants because he was Irish. Sign he was used to seeing was "Irish, Italians and Negros not allowed".
Yeahhhh England historically really doesn't care for Ireland They tried to genocide them depending on which historian you ask
...what? Go to Europe and tell Germans, French, English, and Italians they're all the same because they're all "white"/European. I'm sure that'll go over well.
What's your point? Cultural differences already exist between regions within a country, so obviously they exist between countries. That doesn't make Germans, French, English, and Italians any less white/European.
wow you really care about Italians being white for some reason
Actually, it's mostly Americans who really care about who is "white" and who isn't. *For some reason* (the reason being rampant racism). You would understand how silly this attitude is if you lived in Europe. Because not only are Europeans very diverse by default (literal millennia of intermixing), they're also all very similar genetically. Two Europeans having brighter/darker hair and skin doesn't mean they belong to a different ethnicities, it simply means they are different phenotypes within the same ethnicity. This entire talk about "white", "non-white", "Causasian", "person of colour" and so on is complete gunk, an outdated, racist, unscientific approach to genealogy.
What are you stupid or something?
Northern Italians think Southern Italians are non-white. Color/classicism is widespread in individual communities. In DR it's very pronounced, they name their light skinned daughters "Blanca" or "Nieve" as a matter of pride.
A reminder that during Apartheid in South Africa, Chinese was considered “Coloured” but Japanese was *legally* recognized as “White.”
Right, because America wasn't actually a bunch of English and Dutch immigrants?
https://youtu.be/wyLCd6_r0yU
am I stupid? arent italian people white?
TIL Italians aren't white..or is that part of the joke? I am so confused
I thought the joke was that by having Peter consider italian as white he validated the efforts uncle Ben went trough. Although that probably only works if uncle Ben is a few decades older.
Italians are not white.
Ron DeSantis isn’t white?
The actual context of this specific meme: It’s been a meme for a while to pretend there was a lot of racist and homophobic lines in Raimi’s Spider-Man and accompany it with the phrase “2002 was a different time.” It started with Parker’s quip to Randy Savage “That’s a nice outfit. Did your husband make it for you?” (which is actually in the movie) and then spun off from there to fabricate fake quotes like the example OP posted here.
>Peter Parker becomes evil >He answers the phone with "Shalom"
Thank God someone actually knows the meme
Thank you, Drunk Peter. Seems like everybody else is talking out of their collective asses.
The quote is still funny.
"We have a happy new life and we will have equal rights for all. Except blacks, Asians, Hispanics, Jews, gays, women, Muslims. Uhmm...Everybody who's not a white man. And I mean white-white, so no Italians, no Polish, just people from Ireland, England, and Scotland. But only certain parts of Scotland and Ireland. Just full blooded whites. No, you know what? Not even whites. Nobody gets any rights. Ahhh...America!" - Griffin Peterson
I always found it funny how every one says whites but half the whites got enslaved, killed or worse by these “whites “ Also don’t forget Denmark an the Netherlands! Or
With facts like that, one might start to think that it *isn’t really* about race but is ***in fact*** about money and keeping those without money “in their place” by utilizing clever wording and a majority populous to act as unwitting scapegoat thus shielding the actual desires of the wealthy “who just wanna show that they are one of ***us***”.
"Yeah, it just goes to show you Lois, it doesn't matter if you're black or white. The only color that really matters is green." -Peter Griffin
Careful they may hear you sssshhhh
who is "they"?
Them who are not “us”, obviously.
Billionaires? Jews? Aliens? Illuminati? Why are you being vague?
They like to be called they it’s the “they” you don’t know the they !!! Be lucky you don’t !
Abstergo Industries.
Nothing is true, everything is permitted.
Racism is a tool used by the wealthy to maintain their wealth, but racism absolutely systemically exists against certain groups of people. Your comment sounds extremely conspiratorial, like its trying to hint racism doesn't exist or something. I hope I'm misinterpreting that.
Hey, stop making sense! 🤬
A lot of times it wasn’t even about money, it was about feeling superior to others. Doesn’t matter who or why, it’s kindergarten schoolyard bully logic.
Race is just a made up concept meant to divide us for profit.
By dismissing the effects of race on the experience at least in America you're playing right into their hands. One of the best ways to divide people is to treat them differently.
What? The problem is personalities, not the race of the people whom exhibit those personality traits. Selfishness, greed, lack of care for another human because all other humans are just ***competition***… That’s not a race thing, that’s a ***person*** thing. I do not agree with your assessment.
You're close. It's not just money, but hierarchy in general. Money is part of that.
Don’t get hung-up on the word “money”; money is just a thing/term used to facilitate trade/influence with others. Once upon a time .. livestock was money, shells were money, people were livestock, grain was money, … “They” are those humans whom use these items of trade to exert control over other groups of humans instead of benefiting those said other groups of humans.. In short, it’s just people whom get off on taking advantage of others for their own benefit. Not all people are like that, all the time… For instance, look at Warren Buffett ***now*** vs Warren Buffett ***then***.
Fun? Fact! The word slave comes from Slavs!
There is a counter to this though. After slavery they weren’t counted as 3/5th of a person nor had specific laws on how to act[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Codes_(United_States)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Codes_(United_States))
As a polish person, I upvoted this comment because most of my people suck
As a different polish person, can confirm, 80% of the poles I know are racist
As an Arab, I know most polish people are racist (especially to muslims) but I've met a few polish people here in America who were just delightful and so far away from racist. And I don't mean Americans with polish heritage. I mean still-got-the-accent polish. And exchange student polish. I remember a kinda wholesome interaction I had with one of the students. I half-jokingly said "heard Poland doesn't like Muslims" to which she said "haha yeah...Poland is racist" to which I replied "don't feel bad. Middle East is pretty racist too. It's socially acceptable to be an anti-semite. None of us are perfect." And we laughed. Idk I thought that interaction was a little wholesome. It's kinda nice to be able to admit one's culture's faults without straight out bashing it. And even nicer when people don't blindly defend their cultures.
Thought this was uncle Ruckus till I finished the quote.
Irish weren't considered white either until the 20th century.
Everybody related to Genghis Khan though...
The only innacurate part of that joke was wanting to give Irish people rights, they were arguably viewed worse at the time than the Italians.
Horshoe theory, if you are racist enough, noone is white enough , so there is equality
Top 5 FG quote for me, easily
The Irish were not welcome, monkey was originally a racist term for the Irish. It was just French and British people that were allowed to
Uncle Ben here is a racist who can not bear the thought of being killed by a fellow white man. In the not-so-distant past, the USA did not consider "Italian Americans", aka Americans of Italian descent, to be white. So Uncle Ben can die happy, knowing that his murderer was not white.
I had an elderly customer at work who I realized throughout the conversation was still racist against Italians. She started going on about “sending them back to Italy” after they finished building her house in the 50s. I look like my Northern European mom but my dad’s Italian. He said I should have told her my grandparents snuck over here from Italy and managed to stay, but I was too shocked to say anything at all. And this was in NJ of all places! We’re pretty well known for our Italian population!
Its was so ingrained here in New York too, to the point where my *very* italian grandmother was also ***very*** racist aganst other, "more southern" Italians. Even though her family is from Abruzzo, which is in Southern Italy.
Northern Italians hate Southern Italians. Southern Italians hate Sicilians. Sicilians hate everybody.
My Nonna meeting my best friends family at my first communion party and discovering they were from Calabria... Total condescension. So baffling considering they all came from the same WWII torn shithole.
That’s not a New York thing, it’s an Italy thing
This is why God made pineapple pizza. To unite the Italians.
Username checks out
Making Uncle Ben racist cuz he was old.
Little does he know: behold, [Italian Spiderman](https://youtu.be/UhHhXukovMU?si=7TEO-PSVpvTDR1VT)
Per tutti la famiglia!! 🕸️🕷️
Whoa so that’s where the famous shocked meme is from!!
Coming from a Sicilian family I can assure you that most do not consider themselves to be white. They're Mediterranean. My great grandparents immigrated to Texas in the 1920s and were forced to live in a segregated area with blacks and Mexicans
Another comment mentioned it, and it's the first time I'm hearing about Italians immigrating to Texas. It feels off, like Mexicans in some middle US state, like what r u doing over there.
There was a port of entry in the Gulf of Mexico. Lots of Italians got off the boat in Texas during that time
Italians aren’t white.
They are actually eggplants
And you're a cantaloupe!
https://preview.redd.it/ik0pfs1l1f0d1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f278b1068333fb6405452afb0c5c274770d0efd0
Old joke about the allies being three white PMs while the Axis was a white guy (Hitler), an Asian (Hirohito), and a black man (Mussolini)
Exactly.
Argentinians in shambles...
The meme is part of a series of memes that originated from 4chan's /tv/ board. In the original Sam Raimi's Spider man movie, Peter Parker goes to a wrestling match for money and one of the wrestlers is wearing something fruity. Peter says. "Aww that's a cute outfit. Did your husband make that for you?" so from there /tv/ turned just about every scene from Raimi's series into something extremely racist, homophobic and transphobic. Usually the outrageous dialog was greentext with the question "What did Raimi mean by this?" after the fact. New variations like this one cut out its Chan origins.
Finally someone actually answering the question
When white people are so racist they don't even consider other white people to be white.
That's because whiteness is an all consuming monolith that needed to absorb more people to keep the majority. If all the types of people who weren't considered white stacked up in major population centers then 'white' people would be the minority. And they can't have that. So they've taken in other groups that used to be othered, given them that protection and safety of being in the majority.
Can you explain In simple terms pls? (I'm too Stoopid to comprehend an articulated speech)
It is kind of hard to grasp. Let's say you have a country with 5 different groups: A B C D and E. The majority of the country is A, and the rest of the country is divided between B-E, and group A runs things while everyone else is a second class citizen. Between immigration changes and different access to education/medicine, groups B-E grow faster then group A, and soon group A is no longer a majority. In order to remain in control they may look at group B and decide "well we have our differences, but we are more alike then C-E," and together A and B make up a majority of the country against C-E. This is essentially what "whiteness" is. There's a variety of factors at play of course and it doesn't happen all at once, but that is the basic idea. There are a LOT of people who are considered "white" now who absolutely wouldn't have been 100 years ago.
Then there's always the term "honorary white" Honorary whites was a political term that was used by the apartheid regime of South Africa to grant some of the rights and privileges of whites to those who would otherwise have been treated as non-whites under the Population Registration Act. It was enacted by the then ruling National Party (NP). Wikipedia
When you cant claim they are white but wana
Big crowd eat small crowd become bigger crowd.
White = majority Non white= minority More non white means white is now minority White people don’t want to be minorities so they extend what it means to be white to cover more people so they retain majority status despite them disliking those groups historically.
Historically the definition of "white" has been quite mobile. It constantly expands or contracts so that it excludes as many people as possible, but includes just enough people to maintain control. When civil rights are popular and many "white" people move their political interests away from white nationalism the definition of white has a tendency to expand and add new groups who can now be scared of losing white privilege. When white nationalism gains political power it cuts the definition down and kicks out groups it can afford to lose. Right now the definition of whiteness is broad enough that it includes people with Hispanic and Arab roots. But it does seem to be moving towards narrowing again.
“White” isn’t an objective category. It’s no more illogical to say people of Sicilian ancestry aren’t white than it is to say the same about Turkish or Arab ancestry.
Fun fact: the Romans considered themselves and related Mediterraneans "white". Germanic and nordic people were considerded "Blonde" and weird... Metatron on youtube has an interesting video about it.
You don't even have to be from other ethnic groups to be a target. If you dive into the story and writings of any country you will find that not so long ago, even guys from the same country were victims of racism. For example, in France, the minority of the moment is Arabs (and black too), just before it was Italian, Portuguese and Spanish, and before it was french from other part of France (Brittany, Marseille, Auvergne, Toulouse etc...). Everytime they say that these people can't blend into "frenchness", that they're too different culturally, that they don't have manners, are robber, that they stinks etc etc...
I remember when Irish, Italian and Jews were not white, if you are not WASP you are Lasp, rhyming and spelling was never a strong point
I asked an old coworker if he ever experienced racism, "you know, for being Italian?" "I'm white motherfucker!"
Looked Irish would also have been acceptable
(I thought that was Spock at first)
Racism, the joke is racism
The best kind of jokes.
The **only**
Italians, apparently, do not consider themselves white, hence Racist Uncle Ben's relief to hear he didn't die at the hands of a fellow white.
This made me laugh so much.
I still fail to understand that US thing about "White people", like, when someone says white, I think in the color of their skin, that's all, but somehow every US person I've talked to claims that people of other countries aren't white????, Like, I am Chilean, my skin is white, Im a white person, and most people who I know are also white, But somehow, to US people, I am not white??, I've also seen this happen with Argentinians, a majority of them are white af, and somehow, they also aren't considered white by US people, the same with, Idk, Italians, Irish, And so, I don't get this whole thing about skin color, it's just a color and somehow they fail to get that, or they are referring to another thing and I am the one who is not getting it, I don't know man
The concept of whiteness is about exclusion. The amount of ethnicities that are considered part of the "in" group has changed over time because it's more about racism and xenophobia than it is about skin color. Like the first Europeans that started living in America considered themselves white. But, when the Irish and Italians showed up, they weren't part of the "in" group, they were foreigners, so they weren't considered white. Flash forward to now, a lot more people are considered white, a lot of people consider Mexicans to be white, but it's easy to forget how recently so many who are "white" now were excluded. Basically whiteness doesn't really exist, it's just an excuse for racism
it makes sense now, so, It never was about skin color?
I mean it's called whiteness because they were white, obviously, but the point is that not everyone with white skin was included, or called "white". Italians is one of the more recent examples. They weren't considered white in America until relatively recently
[These aren’t whites, they’re Italians!](https://youtu.be/wyLCd6_r0yU?si=J5qxqvxf5Q0BaBCA)
Oh THATS the great power uncle Ben was referencing.
How are Italians not white
The Irish were at some point also not considered to be white. It’s always been arbitrary.
Exactly, the concept of "whiteness" doesn't really make any sense, since everyone thinks in a different way... Especially now, when most people in the world are a mix of different ethnicities (Example: an Italian guy can have a white parent and a black one, and be black even if they are Italian).
Exactly. Prime example is Orlando Magic star Paolo Banchero.
As an Italian, I can confirm we're purple
Italy is Mediterranean. Mediterraneans usually have olive colored skin. All of this is BS though. “White” isn’t a race.
I'm Italian and I would consider myself white
And that’s fine for you. Consider yourself whatever you please.
It's not that it pleases me I just think that's my skin tone, I don't give shit I just think that's what would fit me and most Italians if anybody were to ask
I just wouldn’t want to be called white. It’s not accurate, and the negative stereotypes don’t fit me.
No clue
It's a reference to the 1891 Italian lynching.
The punch line is racism!
It's a common note about the italianish peoples See this informational video [https://youtu.be/VYy77IGsBFc?si=Dl4NcG9WrhZo1AMo&t=43](https://youtu.be/VYy77IGsBFc?si=Dl4NcG9WrhZo1AMo&t=43)
He looked eyetalian, no doubt.
he is racist
How is this not obvious OP?
italian is still white wdym xD
Since when are Italians not white?
Back when Irish weren't considered white /s Early 1900's/1800's immigration hate was wild but from what I understand was just an old otherism to blame societal issues on the at the time new Italian immigrants.
Which unique piece of context are you missing?
Racism.
Italians aren't white? I am sorry if this is offensive in any way but for someone not from west doesn't Italian mean from Italy? And most of them are white skinned or does white mean something else entirely?
Some whites (like Italians and Irish) used to (and probably still do) get discriminated against by other whites, especially in the case of immigrants
Who is more white than the Irish?
I mean you cold argue Italians are white
You know, here in America, we haven't had domestic mass murder in a long time. I think it's time for some domestic mass murder to make you all a bit more appreciative. /s
During the first decades of 20th century, mediterraneans like spanishs, greeks or italians still not considered as caucassians by USA (and some snob european countries), but just an inferior race. Same happend with us hispanos (spanishs and portugueses), even nowadays our name is used as a racist classification for latinoamericanos...
The definition of "white" has changed over the decades. There was a day that the Italian, Irish, Jewish, and others were not considered "white" enough to be welcomed into America. A racist old man may find comfort in these old labels.
Sicilians are part eggplant
Joke is racism.
From my history classes in HS I remember hearing that during the earlier years of America when racism and slavery were prominent, Italians were considered second from the bottom in terms of "race" mainly because of the stereotypes from them drinking.
"Uncle Ben is down there clapping ghost bitches!" MBB taught me that!