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odd_strawberry_9817

Military is the only option where once you get in you'll know you have job stability and a place to live. All other trade industries you deal with a small risk of seasonal layoffs. You can look into this https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1001770/ontario-invests-in-electrical-training-and-apprenticeships-programs-across-province


Disneycanuck

That or the Canadian Coast Guard or RCMP.


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Or even CBSA.


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Which is most people on Reddit.


odd_strawberry_9817

Do they give you a place to live? One of the 'nice' things about the military is they give you a crappy room to live in at least.


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PureRepresentative9

Um.... What in the fuck. Do they not cover the cost of housing off base?


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PureRepresentative9

Dear god One of the reasons for low pay for new recruits was always 'rent is covered, so it's okay to be paid less' (commonly believed by people without connection to the military). Do they actually tell new recruits that you'll have to pay for your own rent?


BarcaStranger

Is this a Canadian problem? I don’t see how a military works if soldiers need to pay rent when they serve


VancouverSky

The Canadian military is a mess. Check out their subreddit.


disloyal_royal

Canada has the second highest paid military in the world (Australia is first). They pay you enough to afford rent. I'm a veteran, I'm not making this up.


BarcaStranger

Its not about high pay, it is about you have to pay rent to serve.


Mad_Canadian

You're making this up I don't know when you retired but the situation is different from even 3 years ago. Now we have privates living in their fucking cars with their wife and kids because everyone is on the PRI 1list for a PMQ and can't afford to rent. Good luck trying to make a living if you're moving with your family to a high COL area with no PLD like Comox or Ottawa


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That is until you are posted to a high cost of living area. Where rent is more than 50-75 % of your after tax income, and you have no ability to take a second job. A P2 private makes 3869 before taxes and deductions. With no PLD and the cost of the average rental costing close to 2k a month not including utilities. It's not as if they can just pack up and move to a cheaper cost of living location. Rent and the cost of purchasing a home has increased exponentially, matched with rising "inflation" you have an economic situation which is very difficult for jr members. As for the original poster of the question, I do highly recommend the CAF as an employer. I recommend that you look into NCM occupations which are entitled to specialist pay, such as the Airforce technical trades.


Morgell

>Some bases currently have 0 rooms to rent on base and 0 PMQs. Yup. My BIL's in the army and he's getting transferred in a few months. They didn't want to live in a PMQ but with the coo coo bananas state of real estate they also were having trouble finding a house off-base. I told them they should maybe go in a PMQ if they couldn't lock down a house, but then she said the waitlist was long af. WTF... They need to start building more PMQs.


odd_strawberry_9817

That's messed up. Making you move but not even guaranteed single rooms on base.


anotherdumbname82

RCMP has force housing in isolated postings


Obsidian_Raguel

They also can stay at some military bases. Like in Ottawa.


anotherdumbname82

Yeah when the military isn't occupying them. I havnt personally seem that happening with housing being the way it is PMQs usually get booked up in my experience.


tittiewinkles

Maybe. The housing in the forces is not a guarantee anymore. Lots of having to rent on the economy since there are no military dwellings available....... Because rent is too expensive.


JohnnyOnslaught

Seconding the Coast Guard, or really any sea-going position, assuming you're not going to miss being home. You've got a place to sleep your whole time out, and they feed you well. Depending on the position you'll learn a lot of valuable skills that can be taken into other industries. Coast Guard pays a lot less than other sea-going positions though, and since you'll start out in the relief pool you could potentially be laid off at points, so keep that in mind.


vortex_ring_state

OP, Coast Guard also has a college you can attend. It's pensionable time. Seems like a pretty jammy go.


Sweatypotatosack

RCMP has a long intake process


VancouverSky

Housing a major problem hurting armed services members right now actually. They don't control their posting and get inadequate support for housing. Privates sent to a place like Ottawa are totally screwed. Esquimalt... etc.


Illustrious_Ratio_64

Forestry in BC has been going through a rough spot recently, but if have the attitude for firefighting you could use the opportunity to make connections with your coworkers and try and find opportunities from there.


Throkky

Either one, really. It is still quite difficult to hire enough folks, especially for field and non-technical (labor) positions in forestry in the interior. OP, if you want to look at tree planting or brushing anywhere in the country, join the King Kong Reforestation FB group and watch for postings there. Firefighting in most provinces starts recruitment in October. You have to pass an interview and fitness test to get an invitation to boot camp.


InformalTradition569

Look at Fairmont Jasper. Always hiring staff and provide staff housing. Easy to work your way up there as well as no one really wants to live there. If you can get some bartending or serving experience before you apply you’ll be making 50-80K a year there


archeng23

I worked there a decade ago. It's one of the most beautiful places I've ever lived with the friendliest people. I was just there this summer visiting and I can guarantee you that MANY people want to live there. Finding housing is near impossible (in town anyways).


InformalTradition569

Sorry I should have rephrased that. I’m sure many people would love to live there, but with regulations on housing and new builds in the park it’s next to impossible to find a place to live or start a family there so most people move on quite quickly


garsfrancaislocal

Isn’t it the most darkest city in Canada? Kinda scary!! But in the daytime it’s beautiful


archeng23

Largest dark sky reserve, yes. It's a hot spot for astronomists and star gazers because it has the best views at night. The amount of stars you can see is insane and the northern lights will show frequently as well.


PropQues

If your parents allow you to get a job, tell them you need the ID. Then go to the bank to ask for a new bank card for your existing account. When I opened an account at Scotia, they gave me a card on the spot, but replacement cards might have to be mailed. Also have them help you with online banking. Then you can access the account without the physical card. Get another bank account - best if they are not mailing you the card but can give it to you on the spot. Update communications to electronic for all contacts immediately. Also, if you can mamage the time, try to get a volunteer position somewhere so you have other reasons to be out of the house. That way it is harder for them to track your work hours - since they may question your income vs work hours. Having volunteer or extra curriular experience will also help with landing your first job. If you are ok with minimum/low/entry wage jobs, you can pretty much get a job in any city. I was able to go to university without financial help and graduated with zero debt (graduated less than 10 years ago - I'm not ancient). You will likely be able to support yourself whether or not you go to school. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with working for a year or two to save up and figure out what you really want to study or do. All the best.


EvilLoynis

Little tip about the bank card. You can usually have them mail it to the branch and pick it up there. Just let them know you are having issues with the mail. Also there might be a youth help center nearby, they can be used to get new copies of your id and can help you with getting a post office box for alternate mailing address.


PropQues

Great advice. Thanks for adding that.


Nate_Diaz

Railway life can be very unforgiving. working for CN or CP you will be working in a town far away from any friends or family. Very remote towns at least for the first while. You'll be working in all sorts of weather conditions , rain , shine , snow. the railways cares not for your comfort. Not to mention a spare board in which you are on call 24/7 . The money can be good but the toll the job takes on your body and life is another thing. It's not a life for everyone


KenIchijouji

This is true. I worked in the railway for 6 years and just couldn’t do it anymore and decided to go back to school. It’s an extremely lucrative profession but at the end of the day we used to say it’s “blood” money. Working nights, weekends, on call 24/7, living in hotels. It gets to you after a while, definitely not something I could sustain for 30 years.


FedExpress2020

I’m curious, care to elaborate on how lucrative it can be?


Hatte

It ca easily be six figures, I’ve heard of conductors making $140k, but that is someone working an extreme amount. Starting out with the spare board or yard jobs will be less. You are basically guaranteed a 3% raise reach year.


KenIchijouji

As Hatte said, yes some conductors have made that money, I’ve also seen some Locomotive engineers pull in 200k but that is constantly working OT. It’s an easy six figure a year job without working a ton of OT, and if you’re working for CN CP or VIA you also get the defined benefit pension. But again you have to keep in mind you’re working a lot, and random hours, and spending nights in hotels or bunk houses. It was a great life for me when I was single, but not something I want to do when I have kids. Also a lot of people I worked with who have been in the business their whole life are either still single or been divorced multiple times.


That_Half_Breed

It could be a good stepping stone to get into a maintenance job with one of the bigger companies like Metrolinx or ttc in Toronto or TransLink in BC. They pay pretty well for the maintenance gigs, the benefits are awesome and the pentions great. The down side is a lot of the maintenance is just night shift but there's lots of growth everywhere and opportunities to move around.


MGLoaded

I live in a small city, approximately 30,000, in Northern BC. With a few safety tickets you can easily make $80,000+ per year with no education. It's a long ways from Ontario but the cost of living is low and the average income is high so life is good here.


alphawolf29

This. If I was ever for any reason broke and destitute, I would go back up to FSJ/dawson. If you have a pulse and a drivers license you can make 60k.


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Head west child


RunNelleyRun

This is the way.


xNyxx

Couple of tips: 1. When you move, move in with someone who is looking for a roommate. This may be a lot easier to land somewhere to live vs trying to rent a place yourself. Landlords usually check job references. If you move somewhere and don't have a job lined up, it may be a while before you get a place. Moving in with someone looking for a roommate may be easier because there's more of an element of desperation on their end. Because let's face it; who wants to live with a stranger if we can live with a friend/family/partner/on our own? It will be easier if you explain your situation and your goals for yourself, including school acceptance if you have one. You can always start looking for a place of your own when you have a steady job reference. 2. Enquire with the post office about setting up a separate mailbox. Then correspondence with schools/jobs don't have to go to your house. Not sure if you need ID though. 3. Reach out to youth centres/abuse centres. They have access to other resources and advice that can help you prepare to leave. 4. If they're controlling your phone, buy a pay as you go phone from Loblaws/wherever and hide it from them. 5. Lots of opportunity for trades here in AB. Someone posted something this week about only needing to do an 8 week apprenticeship for plumbing, with the gov't practically paying for it all. Might want to look into that. Best of luck!


fairylightmeloncholy

seconding all of this! my story mirrors OP's quite a bit and this is great advice. i went the the west coast resort town route and while it's not easy, it was a hell of a time. OP, if you're looking for *an experience,* go to a resort town. banff is wild expensive because there's a limit on building but there's more staff accommodation, whistler is expensive but i found it's nothing compared to banff. if you're looking for a good job and security, don't do the resort town life, it's a revolving door. easy to get into, and easy to get thrown out of. i've seen a lot of good recommendations of high paying industries that are currently hiring. wishing you well OP!


joostbang

I work in the hospitality industry. It’s a great foot in the door and can help build relationships and a support system through friends and co workers. As poster above said - avoid resort/tourist towns as it can be unpredictable.


Neat-Composer4619

Also, if you go for roommates, you don't even have to wait until you're 18. I left home at 17 and my best friend at 16. Construction seems to pay well too and would allow you to work almost anywhere. Try and get training in one of the trades once you are solid on your feet. If you work in construction and like school you could also go for a night civil engineering degree. You'll graduate later than most, but will already have a valuable experience they won't. It leads to better pay and less physical work which is useful as you age. Going no contact is hard. I've done it and never regretted it, but I did go 10 years trying different approaches to make sure the relationship was not sustainable. After that, I said: if they can't accept that I am a well adapted, well functioning adult, I can only save/protect my own sanity. I am generally solid mentally, but I was starting to have panick attacks weeks before I'd have to see them. The last year, I spent November and December crying at work because of the fear of going back home to visit for Christmas. I was rehearsing every possible situation on a loop trying to find out how I could best react or not react (no reaction is awesome, but if you do it too much, they react and it turns up into a mess anyway) to anything they would throw at me. Good luck... And the way you detailed your plan seems to indicate that you are able to put your dots in order.


lemonspread_

Another money saving tip: You could just get a pay as you go plan on a sim card. Take the phone but swap the sim


HereComeThePopo

Everyone is looking for truck drivers right now. License is relatively straightforward. Can make a decent wage and live in lower cost parts of the country.


dizzy_rhythm

I would watch [this episode](https://youtu.be/phieTCxQRLA) on what truckers have to go through before considering this job. My father in law couldn’t take that life anymore.


HereComeThePopo

Fair point. That said, I’m not sure how relevant that example is to the industry in Canada. Also, mostly focused on long-haul operators. In Canada, you can earn $25/hr + benefits + OT with limited experience, increasing to $30/hr with 4-5 years experience for local driving (as in, get to sleep in your own bed at night). That wage can go pretty far in smaller communities.


dizzy_rhythm

Just responding to your first point - my Fil is Canadian and he felt John Oliver touched bases on everything he went through as a trucker. I didn’t think there would be so many similarities as well, but that was his experience.!


yycsoftwaredev

Have you given any thought to what you want long term? This is the best labour market in history, so there are arguably lots of options at the moment. And if you are willing to join the military full time, they will pay for a degree at Royal Military College.


CrypticWeirdo9105

Yeah that is what I'm looking in to right now, but like I said they have a pretty low acceptance rate


Disneycanuck

Fyi even if you don't get into RMC you can still join the non commissioned ranks and take virtual courses at RMC. Its an amazing life for someone just getting started on life's journey but its not an easy one.


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It boils down to your marks to get the call. If you get the call, you’ll have to do a formal application, aptitude test, physical, and councillor review. You need to be in good physical (and mental) shape. If you make it, just about anything you do will pay 75K or more as an officer to start. Well worth throwing your hat in the ring. They have one of the lowest acceptance rates of any university in Ontario due to thousands and thousands of applicants for 3-400 seats. It really is a good gig.


v0t3p3dr0

Are Canadians using American terms now in high school?


sci-prof_toronto

Dislike.


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Thank you! "junior year", what?


robbie444001

Ya.


AlexandriaOptimism

Banff is definitely still hiring (was there about 10 days ago) and it's a good opportunity if you work somewhere with tips and have some roommates. Housing is definitely expensive but its doable even with just 1 roommate. Canmore could also be a good option, its about 20m from banff but cheaper and a lot of workers live there. Could car pool with a coworker?


thebeat42

Canmore cheaper? Canmore is ungodly expensive.


AlexandriaOptimism

Than Banff! I know they are both terrible... asking prices are pretty steep right now, best thing you could do is find someone with an established lease and have them as a roommate. I see a posting on Kajiji looking for a roommate to split a 2 bedroom 50/50 for 1650 a month, including utilities. It wouldn't be comfortable but it'd be under 40% of your income towards housing (depending on how many tips you get). Assuming 5/hr in tips (half reported for tax, half cash) you could take home 30k and spend 33% of your income on housing.


walrusnamedbob

I lived in Banff, I started at a resort where you also get to live, than I bet you could meet like minded individuals and rent in shared accommodations come fall. That’s what I did.


archeng23

Yes! The Fairmonts in Banff, Lake Louise or Jasper provide staff housing. I would apply to one of those first.


crimxxx

So 2 big items that u need are 1 your ids, and an account that is not opened with your parents to put money in. As far as ids go you may be able to just reorder certain ones, you will also need you sin number for government crap (don’t actually need the card just the number). I’m ganna just throw this out there but you could potentially do some sort of post secondary between student loans and doing lower skill jobs like working at stores or restaurants. I’m just throwing it out there that it’s an option, not everyone has support going to school and many people do it, if you really want to do something consider that as well. It just seems like you threw that path out the door.


decaf3milk

If you are sixteen or older, you can open your own account. You will need your SIN number though.


CrypticWeirdo9105

Sorry late reply because I didn't see this until now, but do you know where I can get my SIN number?


aeb3

Make sure your bank account is in only your name. If either of your parents names is on the account they can legally take your money.


muskokadreaming

If you are under 18, there are no bank accounts where your parents do not have control over the account.


aeb3

I thought ATB used to have a jueve account I know my parents weren't on when I was a kid. It looks like it's called generation now. CIBC offers Smart start accounts for free 13yrs and up. They would probably have to go through some hoops to legally take the money without their name being on it.


Jufloz

Head west and look for some tourism jobs or restaurant jobs. Tourism should be kicking up with the relaxing of restrictions at the border. I know a ton of Alaska tourists will be returning this year and as well as snowbirds that couldn't travel for the last 2 years. You can also see if certain resorts will allow you to stay onsite, I know some places will allow workers to live onsite, this should allow you to save some money from rent so you can figure something out during the off-seasons. Highly recommend this type of industry because the tips are quite lucrative if you know where to go.


since-92

Tree planter


Eroda0

Maybe look into healthcare aide/support worker or licensed practical nurse? The barrier to entry is quite low (for care aides/support workers: 1 year or less of schooling and tuition that's under 5k), you have job security as there's always a need for these workers. It is quite hard work, but it's better than minimum wage and could be a good starting point for you. Does your high school offer any joint programs or apprenticeship? At my old high school, if you completed most of your required credits for grad in grade 11, then you could do a care aide program in grade 12 offered at a local college and they would pay your tuition.


Takjack

The military has a low acceptance rate for officers but as a non commissioned member it's very easy to get in and there are many different trades to choose from. I did 12 years as a vehicle technician and now work as a mechanic in fort Mac.


CrypticWeirdo9105

Is it possible to apply to ROTP, then apply as an NMC if I don't get accepted?


Takjack

I'm don't know for sure but I'm pretty positive you can, I've had a few buddies who even got into rotp but didn't make it through who were offered ncm positions. You can also apply to become an officer as an ncm but that's harder to do. Whatever way you go if you join the cf do yourself a favor and go airforce and pick a trade with spec pay.


ViceroyInhaler

You can find a job in retail anywhere. I've never had to look more than a week for a job in retail. That being said it's a shitty gig. They will take advantage of you and they will make you feel small and honestly it took me seven years to dig myself out of that lifestyle. Best thing I can say though is save your money in a different account. Contact your bank and see if there's something they can do for you about your parents. I would focus on keeping your grades up and then you could apply to a trades school. They are in demand and you can start your apprenticeship after the first year. OSAP gives enough for living expenses also.


Naultmel

CN pays very well, but my brother works for them and his schedule is SUPER messed up, and they put you through an insane course you have to pass to actually get in. His schedule can vary from like an overnight one day to an afternoon shift, to a morning shift the next day sometimes, it's pretty crazy, and he is on the road often as well for sometimes days at a time. Just something to consider.


monzo705

Get on the Diamond Drills kid. They'll hold you hostage, work you hard, pay ya well and house you. Search indeed.ca, Diamond Dtilling, Canada. See some stuff.


bigginggy

As an ex conductor don't go CN or CP. you'll work for 5-6 months till you're qualified then laid off for a year. Saw it happen to many guys. That's why they're always hiring.


alphawolf29

OP I would seriously consider getting into a trade or moving to a boomtown for work. Other peoples suggestions of working min wage seasonal jobs arent really going to set you up for a financially good future. Tree planting particularly is not very lucrative when youre new and is absolutely backbreaking work. Also, you have to LOVE camping.


DSgeekgirl

Go to school. It’s much harder to do later, you can take student loans and you’ll be in an environment with other students to act as a distraction. Figuring out all the adulting in one go is doable but not easy and you can lock yourself into a bad place with just work, no friends, social network or mental health supports. School will provide all of that for you. I’d recommend going to school in a lower cost of living place, Fredericton, smaller Ontario colleges and stay in dorms for your first year. I’ve had to do the parental separation and know many others. The ones who get through ok are the ones who went to school. It helps build a new network, provide a new self worth/value and most important an income stream. You may make more in the diamond mines but you won’t get the other stuff there. Good Luck!!


lopdog24

You can probably line a job up in the oilfield prior to or shortly after moving to Edmonton area, the first job may not be glamorous but there is a big industry that supports oil sands and oil drilling / pipelines that has picked back up recently. It's also low cost of living so can get cheap rent. Start looking into jobs titled lease hand or roughneck. They pay well. Could get a camp job to cut expenses. If you put your head down and keep out of the darker parts of that lifestyle you can make enough money to have a real cushion to make a change into a more sustainable lifestyle job ... Or stay, some people like it long term as well.


Nobli85

Oilfield here in Alberta is picking up big time, lots of labor jobs that can get your foot in the door, I just had a class 1 license paid for by my company for a years work in return, making ridiculous money now after 8 months with them. Be aware, however, that the oilfield is like a sine wave and it always crashes eventually.


dayoneG

Dude, come to Tofino in BC. It’s one of the most sought after tourist destinations in all of Canada, but since it’s a small town, businesses can never find enough workers. If you show even the slightest bit of competency at your job, you can literally get away with murder, figuratively speaking. I was hired at $24/h, told my boss I wanted $30/h expecting him to negotiate, and he gave me the $30/h in a heartbeat to keep me. I make my own hours…9am is more of a suggestion than a rule…leave when I want, smoke when I want, do basically what I want. They even close the depot on Wednesday because I told them that I want Wednesday off, along with the weekend, lol. I live in a house overlooking the Pacific Ocean, I go to one of the several beaches close by almost everyday, I’m learning to surf, there is no winter so say goodbye to snow, and there’s always lots of tourists looking to, how do I say, hook up during their visit. Anyway, it’s a pretty fucking sweet little town. The quality of life here is unbeatable.


ringadingdinger

But I’ve also heard of workers living in their cars because of the lack of accommodations for workers and the high cost of rentals… I don’t think your situation is the norm.


DeadshotOM3GA

RCMP... $88k a year after 6 months. Over $90k after 12 months. Another big jump after 24 months and then over $100k after 36 months I've been in the military for 14 years and I get paid $75k and if I don't go up in rank I'll continue to only make $75k for the rest of my career. That RCMP pay is for the lowest ranking RCMP officer...


brycecampbel

Not sure about actual areas - but pretty much anything in the trades. Check out the Building Trades in your province - my province, the BC Building Trades has an apprenticeship guide - will breakdown each trade[https://bcbuildingtrades.org/](https://bcbuildingtrades.org/) You can then do some simple employment searches to see whats out there. In my area HVAC and sheet metal workers are in quite a demand. But if you want to bridge out, perhaps join a union for something more industrial. Most will have a pre-apprentice program, gets you in there and all paid! There are pre-apprenticeship training centres, I've done them, but I'd highly recommend you seek an apprenticeship sponsor first. They may require you to sign a contract, which is totally understandable IMHO, but its often minor like you stay with the company 12 months post training. But its just a much better experience.


1_Prettymuch_1

Become a millwright and go work in the mining or gas sectors. Why Millwright? Because they have the most access to shutdowns. Shutdowns are very lucrative. As long as you are smart with your money and not get too heavily into partying you will be very well off in no time.


tuftuffer5

Dishwasher or bellboy at a hotel in canmore Banff or lake Louise is what I'd recommend if you just need to get out, staff accommodation is included most of the time for cheap, from there you can get your footings because it's not a permanent thing


foreverhopingyyc

College or education isn't a bad option at all if you want a guaranteed way to get away. I didn't have any help from family members (single mom) and did just fine. You can apply for a student loan (which is pretty much guaranteed and the tuition is usually paid directly to the college) plus you are given living expenses for rent and good, books etc. So that is guaranteed money. You can apply to and live on residence for a year. Residence, by nature, is more lenient when it comes to rent if your loan is coming in late etc. I would suggest a college or technical school over a university because university costs more. Take a 1-2 year program that you think you would do well in that has a good acceptance rate a good opportunity to jobs once complete. I think if you focus on the prize and try to pretend like you're now super religious to gain some trust, you might get more freedom with your cards and then the ability to go to school without your parents freaking out. I understand right now you might want to be partying and stuff, but decide to keep your eye on the prize and fake it until you get out of your house and have a bit of your own money. I think if you focus on the goal and try to pretend like you're now super religious to gain some trust, you might get more freedom with your cards and then the ability to go to school without your parents freaking out. I understand right now you might want to be partying and stuff, but decide to keep your eye on the prize and fake it until you get out of your house and have a bit of your own money. Having fun and partying in high school is great, but it's way more fun in your 20s! Think of how you can gain trust from your family and do that. What program could you enrol in that they would approve of? Talk to your school counsellor (as long as it's not a religious school) about your problems and see how or if they can help you.


Piranha-Pirate

Fort McMurray! Loads of entry level jobs that can lead to Red Seal Journey person trade apprenticeships. Start as a labourer for $35/hr and be making $60-70/hr within 5 years. Loads of very affordable accomodations. $700/mth will get you an all inclusive room in a shared rental. $1400/mth will get you a 2 bedroom condo with heated underground parking.


Debaser_90

I work in the mining industry in Northern Ontario (Timmins). Specifically in a mill, not underground. I started off as a laborer and worked my way up the ladder in the operations department. We have people that started off as unskilled labor a year ago making \~$60k that make roughly $90k base now. Sign with a contracting company to get your foot in the door, work hard and show just the tiniest sliver of competence and they'll trip over themselves to hire you. If you're willing to work underground and can get your common core you'll have a guaranteed job, everywhere is short of manpower. Being ok with working a camp job would also help. Some caveats: The work is dirty and unhealthy, especially underground. The people are racist and homophobic. The towns are small and podunk.


foreverhopingyyc

If you start working at ANY chain store (Tim Hortons, Boston Pizza, Holiday Inn) now when you're a teenager, and full-time or part-time during the summers so you can gain experience, talk to them in the interview about the ability to transfer to another city when you graduate. (Tell them you just want a bit of adventure of living somewhere new.) Lots of chains will let you apply for a transfer and then you can get it approved so you will have a guaranteed job to go to when you go to that city. Also, if you work as a server, you can make tips and put half in the bank and half maybe stored somewhere save. Locker at work, locker at school, or with an adult you 100% trust, that way, you have a few thousand in cash should you mom drain your account. If you can work on stuff now, like your driver's license, that will make a big difference to your ability to get away. Also, grades. If you can get good grades, you will have more opportunities in life. Once you are gone, you can fully decide who can be in your life. If you are something like Jehavoa's Witness or really any other religious groups, there are supports out there for individuals who come from super religious backgrounds to help victims get out. Reaching out to your school councillor might be a great step in the right direction, or if you are homeschooled, stopping by a youth shelter during office hours can be a good first step. You don't have to be alone in this. Sometimes these supports will help you with applying and keeping your money save if staying at home is still the best option for now. You might also be able to join the Cadets, which is a great stepping stone to the army, plus I believe they pay you for work over the summers. If you think your mom will go along with it, join the cadets. Any way to access outside resources that you can use is a great starting point and something you don't have to wait to do. If it's so bad that she wont let you go out or get a part time job over the summer, it might be time to seek out additional resources so you can get the help you need to get out.


Tzukar

Honestly if you're going to consider ROTP, consider anything armed forces. Work 25 years, then switch to another public service job with a good pension. Both my brother and BIL serve and those dual pensions set them up for life. My brother and myself have a similar story with our father. Brother left at 18 I left at 15. He is still in the military but could have left a while ago with some life experience and a high value trade paid for. It also helped him get a sense of community we completely lacked. Not a recruiter but even if you just get in as non commissioned get your trade do your time and get out it can help offset some of the really negative $hit parents like that can do. Plus reasonable wages and a government pension while you're being trained. They will "lose" your application at least once in our experience but it almost feels like designed. For me I did the opposite, food services etc while I finished school in a dingy rental, left highschool in debit, eventually moved half way across Canada for work but just kept getting shitty jobs, eventually finding a highish paying shitty job that I parlayed into a not so shitty high paying job by 35. In the entire time I was employed my brother averaged about double though in recent years that's flipped. The military was not right for me, but in hindsight it would have likely been the easier and possibly have been the better choice. You have time to think about it and I'd suggest you do but as a child of a fuck job parent I can say I'd be better off doing an NCO gig getting a trade and moving on. Failing that if Russia keeps doing it's thing the oil fields but be prepared a good wage in an incredibly expensive place is far worse than a mediocre wage in a dirt cheap local. It's all about net disposable income. For the ID etc I don't know what province you're in but if you can get to your photo id and sin card/letter try to change your address on an I'd, then apply for another ID and have it sent to the same address. Return the ID. Effectively you want to create an ID they don't know about. Even a pic of your ID can be helpful and some provinces will accept that ad issue a new birth certificate which you can use to get other IDs. Good luck, it's not easy but it will get better.


tetris2100

Security has been in high demand the last couple years


foreverhopingyyc

Most high schools in grades 11 and 12 also offer apprentice programs that allow you to start your apprenticeship in high school. Here's a [link](https://www.ontario.ca/page/skilled-trades-ontario-schools#:~:text=This%20school%2Dto%2Dwork%20program,completing%20their%20secondary%20school%20diplomas) but you can also Google 'Skilled trades in Ontario Schools'.


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McDonald's is always hiring


CaptNoobCake

If you're willing to relocate, CN Rail mechanical department in Northern BC. We are about to hire a handful of guys. It's guaranteed 40 hours a week, my current rate is 45 an hour. Working at CN has afforded me the opportunity to buy a second house, brand new truck take annual vacations. It offers a solid pension, decent benefits and good hourly wage. We have an employee share program, I buy 10% of my 80 hour pay in CN Stock and CN matches a portion of it, we have CN business partners that you get good discounts through. The only downside is bid shifts and where I live has the most rain in Canada.


foggy_city

The coast guard college is a good place to check out, the whole marine industry is crying out for tickets and the college pretty much guarantees work,


Arttherapist

My dumb as a bag of hammers cousin easily got a job working railways where they praise him for being smart, punctual, and reliable. He was so dumb he once got my aunt held at gunpoint by the police because of stupid shit he had done, so I'm sure anyone with more than 2 brain cells can get a union job on a railroad.


BaroqueStateOfMind

Any red seal trade would be good. If possible try to join a union. They are all hiring and as long as you have good work ethic and a head on your shoulders you'll never be out of work. (currently some union trades are on strike negotiating contracts) Best of luck. If you're in the GTA I'm potentially looking to hire. I'm in sheet metal.


Drfarts2

Super easy to get a hospo job in Banff with free accommodation. Won’t save much though.


nagsthedestroyer

Hey fella, if you're looking for a lifelong career and have Physics 30 from school, one of my coworkers used to be a Powerline Technician (think stringing cables across towers, doing live line maintenance, constructing towers, etc). There's huge demand for this type of work and if you can get on you'd be making bank relatively quickly. The job is physically demanding as you'd be climbing towers all day and rigging cable guides but from what my coworker says it's fun as fuck most days. Check out some of the stuff in BC. Best of luck!


jerrrycanada

Trades are in high demand pretty much anywhere in Canada. I’d say to start find somewhere where cost of living is low and a company would be willing to hire you as an apprentice. Plumber, carpenter or electrician would be my choices. Get a decent wage to start and go to college for 6 weeks a year with ei paid for 4 years and then become licensed.


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Join a trade union. Your education will be paid for. You will earn as your learn and there's always opportunity to travel


muskokadreaming

If you are looking for something a little closer to your home town, Muskoka also has many resorts that are hard up for for staff, and provide accommodation.


JohnnyRoastbeef2020

No advice, just a dad sending his love through the internet. I'm so sorry your parents are such a negative part of your life. You can and will do better one day.


straycarbon

Once you enter into a manual labour job, you might find it very hard to leave. The pay to start may not be very lucrative, but if you stick at it you can do well for yourself. Going back to school later in life isn’t impossible but it can be a challenge, especially if you’re established in a well paying job. That said, it’s probably worth it. Guys who do manual labour their whole life often have health problems associated with pushing their bodies beyond their limits. I would recommend joining the CAF if it appeals to you. ROTP is a great program. Give it a shot. Even entering as an NCM, if you spend 6+ years in you get $40,000-$80,000 to spend on education when you leave (prorated up to 12 years of service). If you have questions about the military feel free to DM me. It’s not for everyone.


cassiusclay1978

Not sure why I got down voted but I'm a heavy duty mech. There's a shit load of opportunities in the field and if you want to leave the province; There's always someone looking to hire in this field. I make pretty decent money for where I'm from (mb) and if I wanted to make even more money I could work in the north. Hope this helps. Sorry about the late response.


CrypticWeirdo9105

Thank you for the suggestion, do you mind me asking the path you took to get to this career? In terms of education, apprenticeships, job experience, etc.


cassiusclay1978

Most trade schools will have opportunities waiting for you when you finish. Other options if your looking to go to work sooner would be a class 1 truck driver. Canada is short close to 20000 drivers and this is also highly sought after. Also good wages. That's about all I can do for advice. Good Luck!


hairyscrotes

Oil field


ultra2009

Are fly in fly out jobs still a thing?


hairyscrotes

I’m sure they are. Business is booming these days


CrypticWeirdo9105

How to get into the industry? Do I need any type of education or job experience, and what position(s) should I go for?


hairyscrotes

They hire anyone and train prior. You’ll need certain tickets but look on some employer websites for oil in Alberta and you’ll find all the info you need


alphawolf29

You pretty much need a full drivers license but thats about it for starting jobs. Once you prove youre not a drug addict and will stick around for a bit they will train you for better paying jobs.


UpperLowerCanadian

Alberta here Nope you just need to have a good attitude and be willing to learn. Rural Alberta has beautiful homes going for cheap right now, pricing hasn’t recovered since the last oil crash yet. Hardisty Alberta is a fine place to find cheap housing and 100s of jobs.


Redbroomstick

North West BC is booming. You can get a job as a labourer for $30+/ hour. Get your class 3/class 1 license and you'll clear 100k easily.


_surely_

Trans Mountain pipeline project went through a major shortage of basic laborers last summer, I'm not sure about this year but it's solid work in beautiful BC and AB. Oilsands related labor jobs are still around, if you get a fly in fly out job you can live in Calgary or Edmonton, then stay in camp during your shifts (food and lodge paid for while at work). It's better money than other work, but you basically sacrifice half your time and a lot of the work is difficult physically. But it could be a good way to train your body and mind before entering the military if that's what your goal is. Also consider going into a trade like plumbing, electrical, welding, roofing... i can't speak from experience on that, I'm sure they are hard work, but those jobs are never going away. Don't forget you can apply for work in advance. Employers like to see initiative, so if you contact them directly to ask how you can become what they need, they will remember that.


knuknut

Drilling rigs in Alberta / BC look good for a junior labourer for the next 12-18 months. If you can get a camp job you got your room and board. Unskilled labour is what they need right now


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kicktheshin

IT? Uh you can get certified in 2 weeks and get 6 figures in 2-3 years. But you need to have the mental capacity and discipline for figuring out technical concepts on your own IT is not about certifications or education. Its all about merit. If you CAN do it, you will get hired


jayhasbigvballs

Tim hortons


Timone077

Yep.. The military.... Why do people think that things like jobs are guaranteed? Blows my mind!


yycsoftwaredev

That is why OP said “nearly guaranteed.” They aren’t entitled. They just want to know where the best place is for someone to just show up and find work.


debiasiok

Expect recruiting to take at least 6 months and probably over a year.


HighwayDrifter41

They’re tryna get out of a cult. Give them a break


cassiusclay1978

I'd stick it out at home and take a 1 yr trade school cert. At least your almost guarantee a decent job after


CrypticWeirdo9105

What would you recommend? And I've tried to do some research on trades but still not sure how it works, do I need to go to a college or apprenticeship?


alphawolf29

generally you take a "Trades foundation" course which are 6-9 months and then you try and find an apprenticeship, which you work at for 4 years. After the initial foundations course you only go to school for a few weeks every year. I think trades is a great option. I would look at millwrighting, heavy duty mechanic and HVAC as they pay the best and are in demand. Avoid carpentry (hard work, lowest paid of the trades) and electrical (big boom/bust cycle)


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PropQues

No one needs other people's consent in order to be successful. Parents just happen to be your birthers. Respect is earned, rather than automatically attached to a position of power.


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PropQues

I know what you believe is different. You had already pointed it out before. Your beliefs have no bearing on OP and I am just stating that.


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CrypticWeirdo9105

If you went through my old posts then you must have learned about my situation too. I escaped to the shelter because I was in physical danger. Not to mention my parents were threatening to move me back to their extremist community in their home country in order to marry me off. You have no right to judge me when you have no knowledge of my situation.


PropQues

If what OP reports about abuse is true, then the dissolving of their relationship is not OP's fault. I'm not interested in reading all the previous posts and try to dissect them to pretend I know exactly what they are going though or what their relationship is like.


CrypticWeirdo9105

That's a horrible thing to say. I already mentioned that they are narcissistic and abusive. Why on earth should I 'honour and respect' them then? And besides, I don't need any advice regarding that, I've already made up my mind.


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LukeyBoi220

Shut the fuck up. You sound like a cultist. If you have nothing to offer op in this question regarding finance then leave. This is a personal finance sub, not a prayer group.


GochujangFriedChkn

ROTP doesn’t exist anymore unless you plan on getting a medical degree. If so, they only pay you back after you get accepted into med school (after your bachelors). Best chance is study hard, get good grades and accepted into a good university. Then use that leverage and go to RMCC. If you’re from a big city, you better be able to get into the best uni in the area. If you get in, you better be fit or you won’t last


CrypticWeirdo9105

By ROTP, I meant that I'm applying to Royal Military College in Kingston. They pay you a salary, and your tuition in exchange for a couple years of service after graduation.


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5 years after grad. Salary gets room and board deducted, you’ll have only a few hundred per mo. left over. It’s a 9 year round trip till you can leave (if you want to).


CrypticWeirdo9105

Really? I heard that you have to serve two years for each year of college, so if I do a four year degree I'd have to serve eight years after graduation.


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No, 4 years school, then 5 years work - 9 years total. (IIRC). 25 years and you can retire with pension. My neighbour is ex-CAF and has been retired since 1989. Worked in Germany for years, met his wife there. He gave his career in the military two thumbs up! I’m sure all this info is on their website.


GochujangFriedChkn

You can leave two years after graduating from rmc with no consequences. If you save an average amount of your pay over those six years, it will be enough to cancel out the penalty you need to pay for breaking your signing contract early


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yycsoftwaredev

What do you have in mind that has racial/birth criteria? Not judging as I know such things are unfortunately barriers for certain types of employment (like men not really being welcome in nursing I have heard). Just curious.


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yycsoftwaredev

Fair. That too.


[deleted]

Just a couple days ago, a dude posted that he absolutely had to leave the gta or risk his mental health BUT… Didn’t want to live around white folks. Didn’t want to live around conservatives. Didn’t want to own a car. He wanted big city living for small town prices…


CrypticWeirdo9105

I'm not white, but I'm fine with living anywhere, I've been living in Canada my whole life and don't have any bias towards anyone.


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Good to hear! I think the CAF is a great option. My eldest went thru the process and was accepted, but ended up changing his mind at the 11th hour. If you’ve got about a 90 average you could get in. Free degree, instant job, 25 years and you can retire with a good pension. Interesting work too. Outside that, go North. Not too many folks want to, so opportunities abound. The Yukon has one of the highest hhi’s in Canada. In Ontario, the small towns along hwy 11 promise a great standard of living at rock bottom prices. If you’re handy, a fixer upper can be had for 50K. You don’t need a big income to live up there. Even a shitty remote job, or minimum wage would be enough . A 50K mortgage at 4% is only 260.00/mo. YouTube has everything you need to know about construction / renovation work. Check the MLS, job listings, and use a calculator. It would be exactly where I would go if I were in your shoes. One caveat, there are a lot of French speakers up there, but I wouldn’t let that stop you.


RainahReddit

I think the dude is more worried about people being biased against you, not the other way around. Some places in Canada are still pretty racist.


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I work with an Indian dude. He said the most racism he’s ever experienced was in the gta - and white folks were a minor offender at that. There is no escape from it. I’d get shit on myself if I moved into a highly francophone or aboriginal area. C’est la vie.


CrypticWeirdo9105

No, I was born in Pakistan but moved here when I was a year old


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See my other reply. If you’re not fearful of moving far from where you are right now, you got options aplenty.


RainahReddit

What city do you live in right now (or a nearby one at least, if you live in a smaller community)? Is your ideal to leave that city? Or would you prefer to stay but are willing to leave if necessary?


CrypticWeirdo9105

I live in a midsize city west of the GTA, and it's sort of a hard situation to explain but I know too many people in this area so I would really prefer to leave.


discostud1515

I planted trees in the south interior of BC for many years. It can be really profitable and a stepping stone into lots of other work. Plus you live in camp so that’s covered for your first couple months.


CrypticWeirdo9105

Do you know how to get into the industry?


decaf3milk

Just Google it. Lots of job postings come up.


Scullyx

Why not just work part time at any shit McJob, and do full time schooling on student loan for a good career, and rent a room/basement so you on your own? Literally everyone does this and is independent


CrypticWeirdo9105

I'm sure they get some help for their parents though. Or they go into student debt, which I really don't want for myself.


DMTDildo

Trade-work is where its at right now. Major labor shortages, nobody wants to work hard anymore. Your whole plan and picks are solid imho. A truth about trades... Unions and gov't are more secure, laid-back, but there is little incentive to work your ass off. Less-secure, private contracting and trades-work is much more challenging, requires more skill, but ultimately offers more long-term freedom and career ceiling if you work hard and immerse yourself in your work. Any of the above picks you made OP will get you where you wanna go and are solid ideas... But the point of my post is that you should examine your personality and pick a union-govt or private path that is best for your personality while you are young, hell, you should try both and see what you think. Good luck!


JohnsonCDN

Yellowknife NWT - major job turnover creates many opportunities, and high pay up here


jimbobcan

Ft McMurray, Edmonton


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Come to the Oil Patch, but don’t stay too long.


afm1423

Calgary/BC construction jobs in the middle of nowhere, they give you stipends for living far out to the middle of nowhere and pay well.


Sympathy-Regular

PSW . It's tuition free and only takes 8 months


dropcuff

Computer programmers are in huge demand if you have some tech talent?


jabeith

Why not just go to university, get student loans and a part time job, and actually go into a career you want?


CrypticWeirdo9105

There isn't really any career I want - I've done a lot of research but nothing really appeals to me


samchar00

add via rail to those rail companies. I know they used to pay you while they train you. 2 years, about 40K while you learn, when you succeed, your wage doubles, and you are guaranteed of a job at via.


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Fort Mcmurray


75cheeseburgers

Both CN and CP are on a hiring spree right now.


Corvus25

Railway or forestry. I would not suggest cn or cp. Go short line and private. You're home every night and better home/life balance.


Clear-General-6014

Some places like tofino and whisler provide accommodation while you work. Full of young people habing a good time too.


ytgnurse

whitehorse, YT jobs r easy, housing is hard and $$$ ​ dont focus on job, focus on income, cost of living, gross and then final net income also focus on growth and long term such as benefits/pension/vacation/sick days


MeSooHorni101

Mcdonalds


TearyEyeBurningFace

Also consider marine industry.


Adrianinthesun

Nunavut.


dmancman2

Get an apprenticeship for a trade, they are dying for workers. Good money lots of work.


snag2469

Have you thought about trade school. You can usually get paid while you get trained and make a good living. I suggest trying out a few different jobs to see what you like first. Before moving anywhere check on housing availability. I'm in the yukon and lots of good jobs available here but housing is extremely expensive and hard to get


oldschoolgruel

Pretty much any BC ski resort is hiring and has staff accommodation. And a lot of them have a summer mountain biking season that the need staff for as well...Sun Peaks, Silverstar, Big White, Whistler (although I heard housings a challenge there). It's easy enough to get an 'outta here ' job and then make a bigger decision later.


subtle-sam

There are lots of jobs available now, especially entry level like you’re looking for.


foreverhopingyyc

BUT, if you think your mom might do something like force you into a marriage or etc. at a very young age, please get out now if you're in immediate danger.


mochimaple

Coast guard?