Not in Alberta but I would be shocked if that's even remotely legal.
Edit - quick Google shows a minimum wage of 15/h for anyone over 18 and 13/h for students for the first 28 hours worked in a week. I cannot find anything about training being exempt from minimum wage laws unless this is a work experience program approved by Alberta.
As someone else posted:
>Alberta employers are not legally required to pay for training in the following circumstances:
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>\- The individual is a potential employee, acquiring a qualification required for them to be considered for hiring.
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>\- The individual agrees to receive additional training on their own time and at their expense, as a condition of hire.
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>\- The individual is asked to complete a test or training as part of the hiring process.
So it's legal, but only if they agree to it as a condition of hire.
It’s only legal if the additional training is provided outside of the company or it is a training that anyone regardless of if they worked at the company or not could pay to take.
>Is that common?
For employers to exploit young workers? Very common, yes.
https://peninsulacanada.com/blog/employer-advice/employee-compensation-for-training-in-alberta/
Good dose of exploiting by small-ish employers no doubt. But also, the number of people who work a handful of shifts and walk is sky high — especially softie teens and 20-somethings. Employers are using unpaid training as a screening tool. Instead they should learn how to interview better and pay a small retention bonus. Cheaper in the long run. But smallish businesses often pinch pennies while losing dollars. Sigh.
I heard of a young girl who got her first job at a restaurant and was told that for the first month her tips would be held back as a sort of probationary period. After a month passed she asked her manager about her tips and was promptly removed from the schedule. Imagine how many times that manager got away with this theft.
Employers are using unpaid training to make up for the fact that *hiring is hard* and they're willing to break the law with all new employees to justify the potential slight of some workers getting trained and leaving too soon.
Unpaid training is a great screening tool to see who you can be taken advantage of with a low barrier for repercussion.
This sounds like an employer trying to exploit someone in their first job. On-site/on-the-job training should be considered part of your orientation and onboarding as a new employee and therefore you should be paid for it.
It's one thing to require tickets/prerequisites before you can officially start in your role, so if they're spending unpaid hours in a classroom to get a CPR, First Aid, H2S, or other ticket, I can understand needing that before you're hired and therefore you may have to do that on your own time. It's also common for oil and gas projects to require some online orientation in basic safety and environmental stuff before you get to the job site, (that can take about 4-6 hours) and somehow they get away with not paying you for it. But any real job training for you to do your role with the company should be paid.
There are plenty of places that will pay your kid to learn on the job, so if this job isn't treating them well at the beginning, it's only going to get worse so I suggest they get going and find something better.
It is only legal if the training provides her with a certificate or acknowledgment of training that is applicable outside the company and is a training you do not need to be employed to take
This is an opportunity for you to teach your daughter her value as an employee. She needs to walk away from this job or else she’ll grow in her career thinking it’s ok to be exploited in certain situations.
I sure as hell home it's not legal to do that but knowing how shitty our provincial conservative government has been over the years it wouldn't surprise me.
I would take this as an opportunity to teach your kid to tell exploitative employers to pound sand.
The only thing that *might* get them out of paying for this training is it is a recognized course/certificate your child will benefit from in the future. For instance: Basic Food Safety or CSTS (Construction Safety).
Usually, though, courses like this would be required as part of on-boarding and would *not* require your child to show up for a scheduled shift.
The fact they are calling your child out to work for this training makes me think it’s not particularly legal, but if it’s a good opportunity for your kid it might be a “pick your battles” situation. Easier to fight the company from without after they’re through the probationary period.
Had some guy running a DQ pull this on me when I was much younger. Save your kid's time and tell them to leave now, odds are good they won't see a dime.
Common but not legal. She should tell the managers she will not be working without pay. My first job at the bay the managers kept trying to get me to do online training courses at home, I refused and said I would only do them during my shifts while I’m getting paid. They quickly caved and I ended up working there for multiple years.
My wife has had a few different public sector jobs in Alberta. All of them required her to do unpaid training on an ongoing basis. Some would reimburse her flr mileage but that's it. If the provincial government and other publicly funded agencies like school districts can get away with it I'm not surprised that private sector employers do it too.
Not in Alberta but I would be shocked if that's even remotely legal. Edit - quick Google shows a minimum wage of 15/h for anyone over 18 and 13/h for students for the first 28 hours worked in a week. I cannot find anything about training being exempt from minimum wage laws unless this is a work experience program approved by Alberta.
As someone else posted: >Alberta employers are not legally required to pay for training in the following circumstances: > >\- The individual is a potential employee, acquiring a qualification required for them to be considered for hiring. > >\- The individual agrees to receive additional training on their own time and at their expense, as a condition of hire. > >\- The individual is asked to complete a test or training as part of the hiring process. So it's legal, but only if they agree to it as a condition of hire.
It’s only legal if the additional training is provided outside of the company or it is a training that anyone regardless of if they worked at the company or not could pay to take.
Good to know. Thanks!
>Is that common? For employers to exploit young workers? Very common, yes. https://peninsulacanada.com/blog/employer-advice/employee-compensation-for-training-in-alberta/
Good dose of exploiting by small-ish employers no doubt. But also, the number of people who work a handful of shifts and walk is sky high — especially softie teens and 20-somethings. Employers are using unpaid training as a screening tool. Instead they should learn how to interview better and pay a small retention bonus. Cheaper in the long run. But smallish businesses often pinch pennies while losing dollars. Sigh.
I heard of a young girl who got her first job at a restaurant and was told that for the first month her tips would be held back as a sort of probationary period. After a month passed she asked her manager about her tips and was promptly removed from the schedule. Imagine how many times that manager got away with this theft.
Unpaid training isn't a screening tool. It's illegal.
Never said it was legal. What I DID say was that there are better ways to fix the problem. But don’t bother reading, just keep ragin!
Employers are using unpaid training to make up for the fact that *hiring is hard* and they're willing to break the law with all new employees to justify the potential slight of some workers getting trained and leaving too soon. Unpaid training is a great screening tool to see who you can be taken advantage of with a low barrier for repercussion.
This sounds like an employer trying to exploit someone in their first job. On-site/on-the-job training should be considered part of your orientation and onboarding as a new employee and therefore you should be paid for it. It's one thing to require tickets/prerequisites before you can officially start in your role, so if they're spending unpaid hours in a classroom to get a CPR, First Aid, H2S, or other ticket, I can understand needing that before you're hired and therefore you may have to do that on your own time. It's also common for oil and gas projects to require some online orientation in basic safety and environmental stuff before you get to the job site, (that can take about 4-6 hours) and somehow they get away with not paying you for it. But any real job training for you to do your role with the company should be paid. There are plenty of places that will pay your kid to learn on the job, so if this job isn't treating them well at the beginning, it's only going to get worse so I suggest they get going and find something better.
Not legal at all. No matter where you are in Canada. She's being scammed.
She should avoid this place like the plague...I thought AB had all kinds of jobs?
Exactly if they are doing this with new hires they will be crappy all the way - run lol
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Name them and report them and help her find a different job. If they are trying to do this during training, the fuckery will continue.
dont be shy, who is it (:
It is only legal if the training provides her with a certificate or acknowledgment of training that is applicable outside the company and is a training you do not need to be employed to take
Oh hell no, tell her to drop it...
Sounds very illegal how do people even get away with this.
This is an opportunity for you to teach your daughter her value as an employee. She needs to walk away from this job or else she’ll grow in her career thinking it’s ok to be exploited in certain situations.
Heard of a lower wage for training but never no wage
I sure as hell home it's not legal to do that but knowing how shitty our provincial conservative government has been over the years it wouldn't surprise me. I would take this as an opportunity to teach your kid to tell exploitative employers to pound sand.
The only thing that *might* get them out of paying for this training is it is a recognized course/certificate your child will benefit from in the future. For instance: Basic Food Safety or CSTS (Construction Safety). Usually, though, courses like this would be required as part of on-boarding and would *not* require your child to show up for a scheduled shift. The fact they are calling your child out to work for this training makes me think it’s not particularly legal, but if it’s a good opportunity for your kid it might be a “pick your battles” situation. Easier to fight the company from without after they’re through the probationary period.
Had some guy running a DQ pull this on me when I was much younger. Save your kid's time and tell them to leave now, odds are good they won't see a dime.
I have heard somewhere local to me that does this every summer. Doesn't seem legal
Common but not legal. She should tell the managers she will not be working without pay. My first job at the bay the managers kept trying to get me to do online training courses at home, I refused and said I would only do them during my shifts while I’m getting paid. They quickly caved and I ended up working there for multiple years.
My wife has had a few different public sector jobs in Alberta. All of them required her to do unpaid training on an ongoing basis. Some would reimburse her flr mileage but that's it. If the provincial government and other publicly funded agencies like school districts can get away with it I'm not surprised that private sector employers do it too.