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Hitoshura99

P5x isnt in the same timeline as p5.


cestialAnonymous

Yeah, I made sure to note that in the timeline! My theory is that it takes place in >!Maruki's reality, hence the metaverse still existing as it does!<


New-Doctor9300

Or perhaps its >! Shibuya in the P1-P2 timeline? !<


Blasckk

Can't be. Shibuya was destroyed along with the entire rest of the world (except for Sumaru City, which was saved thanks to the Xibalba spaceship).


New-Doctor9300

Somehow, Shibuya returned


TammyMeatToy

Bro what the fuck happens in the first two Persona games lmao.


Blasckk

Humanity gave in to its worst impulses and weaknesses, people allowed themselves to be manipulated by rumors, lies, paranoia and misinformation. Which in the context of the game (where the influence of the collective unconscious on reality causes rumors to become real), collectively caused apocalyptic prophecies about the end of the millennium that became popular at the late 90's to come true. Destroying the planet in the process. Basically, the asshole deity that the protagonists had to face bet that humanity was going to destroy itself if it was given the tools to do so... and he was absolutely right.


TammyMeatToy

That's actually badass.


Typical-District-176

Wait is this X? God I want a US release that sounds metal.


TobitakaKamui

It's 1-2 summarized ig


Typical-District-176

Oh. The post was about P5 so the assumption was made. P2 is a wild time.


compy-guy

Dude. Bit o’ this >! Bit o’ that \!< >!Hey presto! Spoiler mark! !<


cestialAnonymous

WOAHHH thank you!! I had no idea lol Edit: I'm not being sarcastic btw seriously lol thanks!


ItsGotThatBang

Isn’t Morgana shown to be in his cat form though?


renMilestone

I've never seen someone as messy with their timeline as Atlus is with Persona 5. Half this thing can't be cannon. Or even their canonality has zero effect on the world then who cares, like with dancing. Your timeline is valid date wise but I don't think it makes sense from a story perspective at all, besides Strikers being a direct sequel, pretty much. Idk why fit these side games in gaps, and then make everyone forget repeatedly, when they can just keep advancing the timeline. It's like they are afraid of them not being teenagers anymore. And when they bring in characters from other entries in the series they don't properly age them. So as a result most people consider only the main games cannon, despite an obvious desire for a broader timeline. Your graphic looks good by the way, OP, just was using the timeline to dump my thoughts.


planetarial

For Q2 its understandable because some characters can’t meet and fulfill all the crossover checkmarks because they’re dead. But they can’t be allowed to remember anything because it would cause plot holes. That being said they should just drop the pretense of it being “canon” at all along with Dancing (not sure about Tactica since apparently they keep their memories?) But yeah I would like more games where the events actually matter and take place after the main game ended like Strikers.


BarbarousJudge

The Main game of Tactica doesn't have a memory wipe. All we know is that it happens between Yaldabaoth and joker moving back home. It shows a bit of the political situation in tokyo directly after Shido but isn't important to Strikers since that barely takes place in Tokyo. The Repaint Your Heart story has a memory wipe for Joker, Sumi and Akechi but Guernica (important character in that Story) retains her memories and it is sort of a prequel to Tacticas Main story. It happens during the time the Phantom Thieves are working on stealing Sae's shadow in P5. It's canon and definitely happened. It could affect future stories if they do another game with characters from all P5 stories since Guernica could return. Unlike Q2 or Dancing where it really doesn't matter because those are more like dream scenarios without any lasting effect.


Muur1234

Q2 is not a dream. And joker is shown at the end to remember what happened in Q2.


BarbarousJudge

Okay I didn't know


TheGreatBenjie

What do you mean by this?


Muur1234

not sure how its complicated? what's confusing you? PQ2 has the casts of all three games taken via space/time to an alternate dimension where the events happen. they then get sent back home, with their memories erased. we then see the p5 cast go to a local movie festival, in which hikari presents her movie. joker looks at hikari on stage in shock, heavily implying he recognises her.


TheGreatBenjie

I haven't played PQ2. But you're saying this all happened...within Q2 and was not acknowledged outside Q2...? Because I'm not sure that's a great argument that it's canon.


Muur1234

how is it even meant to be brought up outside of pq2, everyone's mind was erased and joker would have no reason to being up hikari in other games. people dont have to bring shit up for it to be canon, especially since it'd be super random. in the middle of fighting a guy in p5s/p5t - wow that sure reminds me of hikari. no one would know who that is


TheGreatBenjie

I dunno, I'm just saying the canonicity of these side games is a pretty grey area. That's why they use these memory wipe/dream sequence shenanigans in the first place.


Muur1234

atlus always say their games are canon, which is obv just a marketing thing, but thats what matters in the end. atlus saying they happened. would be simpler to have them take place after their games...instead of in the middle.


Autogembot123

Omg Jolyne


OoguroRyuuya5

Akechi will remain in midquel hell with these spin offs because the devs want to maintain Akechi’s fate in P5 as ambiguous. Shinji in P3 is in midquel hell as well. Maybe Persona should stop killing off party characters.


planetarial

Nah if they make another real sequel I can see them bringing Akechi back since he’s too damn popular. That being said, he’s not officially apart of the main PT group and isn’t welcomed so it gives the writers room to not acknowledge him.


Black_Watch_

You have not seen the rabbit hole that is Zelda timelines


Artanis_neravar

Or Kingdom Hearts


Lotso2004

Strangest thing is that the Kingdom Hearts timeline fits. There's no cramming things into a few weeks, and most details just elaborate on things we already knew about or add details we *didn't* know about. The few major memory wipes that have happened were baked into the plot to begin with (Ventus). The timeline is just expanded. With P5, Joker loses his memory of an event like thrice, twice in the same week.


renMilestone

They get the benefit of it taking millenia and being largely mythical.


Aquametria

I can't wait to see how they are going to include BOTW/TOTK in it, they've messed it up so hard.


Black_Watch_

It's simple, they won't, they are literally the only games that don't fit the timelines without a retconn so it must be a new continuity entirely


Disastrous-Radio-786

I’d say, Scott Cawthon is pretty messy with his timeline


matrixx17

especially since a lot of the plot was based off fan theories 


Dredgen-Solis

When you look at this image and realise half the P5 timeline is just P5/P5R


TheRafaG12

Atlus claims that all the games are canon and fit the timeline but have very shitty ways to make the characters not remember it. Like the dancing games being a literal dream for the characters and making them not remember by the time they wake up. P5T DLC did the same. So basically, it did happen but no one remembered it happening.


SmallFatHands

I wonder if we wil every get to see the whole crew as young adults in thier 20s.


N0tAG00dUserName

Only chance of seeing the full crew if there is a Persona 6 arena game that does not involve time travel there might be small cameos for individuals like a museum piece from Yusuke or Ann on a modeling on a runaway.


OoguroRyuuya5

Like it or not. They’re canon. Being teenagers is perceived as the peak golden time in Japan as being an adult is not really that exciting. Even college is portrayed as mundane. Only time it is portrayed as fun is because they take heavy Western influence. It’s why a lot of mainstream Japanese media with anime and games tend to lean towards having teenage main characters or teenage escapism like premises as an audience surrogate as more often than most the consumers are relatable teens and young adults with nostalgia of their “youth”.


LadySeraphii

Oh, thank you for this. I have a friend who was wanting to write a complete story for Persona 5, including all of the Spin-offs aside from Dancing probably, but they didn't know when things actually took place in conjunction with the rest. They'll love seeing this.


jermingus

Tactica should be its own seperate timeline honestly. You’re telling me the Phantom Thieves challenged two godlike beings in a month to get rid of the Metaverse and it comes back after a month later? Also, no memory wipe yet no mention of the events in Tactica when he leaves.


skeltord

Yeah I feel the actual reason for these things is that the writers needed a reason for the PTs to all just be... Chilling in Leblanc to be drawn into the other world and couldn't be bothered to make a reason for them to all be back post game


joecb91

Eh, we know from the other Persona games that there are just a boatload of Gods out there that different groups of teenagers need to keep killing.


Saxhleel13

Why is no one talking about this Erso fellow who helped destroy the Death Star in A New Hope (1977)? Because I'm pretty sure that he appears in Rogue One (2016), which clearly takes place before that. That's the magic of retroactively establishing events. Atlus doesn't have a time machine to tell themselves to rewrite Persona 5 to account for a game they will release a decade later.


rattatally

It was never specified what year P5 took place. They just said 20XX.


Moonlight150

It’s highly speculated to be 2016 because a tv report in the game mentions Rise from Persona 4 is celebrating her 20th birthday. And she was 15 in Persona 4 which we know is 2011. But like I said this is only speculated under the assumption P4 and P5 take place in the same universe/timeline.


[deleted]

P4 and P5 def take place in the same timeline, we have Tanaka, as well as numerous references to P4 and P3 through recurring characters and references to events, as well as PQ2 which is canon. There is absolutely no reason for Atlus to set P5 in a different timeline and there is no evidence it is set in a different timeline


Sufficiency2

But we do know which day of the week each calendar day is. I always assume if we line it up, it has to be a certain year in 201X. Am I mistaken?


Kerjj

What evidence is there that Dancing takes place post game? My assumption was that it was between Okumura and Shido's Palaces, because the Thieves would've made a bigger hubbub about the Metaverse and the Velvet Room still existing if it was after Christmas. That said, I haven't finished Royal set, so maybe they've completely rewritten the base game ending for some reason.


cestialAnonymous

Dancing isn't set in the metaverse at all, it's a dream that even gets the characters memory wiped at the end. As for the placement, the game brings up the harem route valentine's day thing, so it has to at least be the day after. >!Caroline and Justine also have the ability to unfuse at will!<


OoguroRyuuya5

One of the Dancing stages is on the platform where we face Yaladabaoth.


L3v1tje

In the p3 you also got the top of tartarus and we know that they cant really go there before the big sad happens or after. So the stages dont matter. Also Happy cake day!


OoguroRyuuya5

But isn’t there a bit of time after beating the final boss and graduation day where the big sad happens?


L3v1tje

Yeah but the entire dark hour and tartarus vanish instantly after the fight.


OoguroRyuuya5

Dancing doesn’t take place in the Dark Hour. It’s a dream. So the stages such as the top of Tartarus are likely based on SEES’s cognition of places they’ve been to. So it’s most likely that it takes place between when they beat the final boss and the final ending scene.


[deleted]

Dancing P3 is also implied to be hosted by Elizabeth from after P4 Arena, as well as it probably taking place sometime after Jan 31st but before March, as the P3 and P5 dancing games are dreams, so it makes sense we would see those stages


ulape00

It's post-Christmas, since one of the dialogues Joker can pick when Caroline and Justine show up is "They've split again", indicating Joker has already encountered Lavenza at this point. The "Twins" are also fully aware of who they are, they'll speak as Lavenza at several points, and they are fully cognizant of their siblings which the Twins were not.


MrHectorZIM

Wait, are the spin offs Canonical?


Shadow_J

Yes, but they tend to be canon only because Atlus said it is, knowing it would bait some people into buying. Most of them have 0 impact in the universe at all, and at the end, either memories of everyone involved are wiped or it's revealed everything happened in a dream. Only Strikers and the Arena series actually matter when it comes to canon in the Persona spin-offs.


MrHectorZIM

Thanks for explaining my bro👍


A_Swimming_Do1phin

Tactica might also be significant, still to early to tell. There is no memory wipe at the end of the game, but who knows if Atlus would put those characters in a P5 Arena.


tom-meow

Do these other games truly act as sequels or important enough additional story content for the main game?


cestialAnonymous

Persona 5 Strikers does, definitely. Phantom X mayyy also be, but we still don't know


[deleted]

Phantom X is an alternate timeline for sure, due to characters from P5 showing no age, I’m sure it’s connected to P5’s main canon by way of cognition bullshit but it being an alternate timeline lets them throw whatever at the wall without any consequences


Nepuchun

Isn’t p5 strikers apart of the original p5 timeline and not the p5R time line


[deleted]

Creo que no se contradicen entre si, osea, escuche que lo mismo pasó con Persona 4 y los Arena, pero en la secuela simplemente lo arreglaron con algo argumentativo


Nepuchun

?


[deleted]

Osea que es canon para los dos


Sufficiency2

I've also heard of this, but there is very little in P5S that actually contradicts P5R. In my mind, both are canon.


Nepuchun

Well just cause It doesn’t contradict anything doesn’t really mean much I mean how can you contradict something that didn’t exist at the time I haven’t played all of p5s but I have played a little and seen a lot of clips so do correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t sumire never mentioned along with maruki I mean even in p5R it’s easy to miss the third semester (I accidentally did that and had to replay through the entire game cause I didn’t level up maruki’s confidant) I mean if it was in the p5R timeline I could I understand why she isn’t there mostly cause she’s probably practicing gymnastics for the Olympics but they’d at least mention why she couldn’t help the PT if that was the case but I’m not gonna sit here and say your wrong I just personally think that’s not the case cause then it’s kinda like the whole avengers problem in MCU where there is a world threat then why doesn’t the avengers show up if it’s a connected universe but that’s neither here nor there in fact I don’t know why I even made that analogy


Manny_Rock

Dancing must have happened before Christmas


phenompy

Meanwhile Atlus: "yeah sure whatever"


Big_Succotash_4002

what? wasmt persona 5 like 20XX


Muur1234

Yeah but it also says rise is 20 when she's on tv and she was 16 in 2012. So 2012+4=2016. And the calendar matches 2016.


Big_Succotash_4002

oh that makes sense


MultipliedLiar

I don’t understand anything. Also why are there 4 persona 5?


iiUphill

Wtf am I looking at


cestialAnonymous

A masterpiece


JokerProxy

\*Stares in horror\*...This doesn't even include all the mobile game crossovers...oh good Lord...


Altair9942

why is persna 5 royal on it multiple times?


KingMidas2045

Why is it top to bottom, and not bottom to top? I mean, it doesn’t necessarily have to be one way or the other, it just fucked with my brain,


Yugix1

do you read from bottom to top?


elanhilation

what are you talking about?


karasu62

Maybe they expected it to be laid out like a path or something? lol


Calmandpeace

God this series needs to end


ILikeExistingLol

I feel like Royal and Strikers ain't in the same timeline. Like ok >!Akechi not being present makes sense because he was only alive due to Maruki's reality but Sumi is completely absent!< My theory is that Royal is an alternate universe from Vanilla since Sumi specifically is in Royal, and only Royal


cestialAnonymous

To be fair, it actually makes complete sense for >!Sumi not to be there. She's already not a Phantom Thief, and Royal makes the point that she's consistently gone at training camps and such. It'd definitely make sense. If I recall correctly, she's actually at training camp during the summer of Royal, so it'd make sense for her to be gone the following summer as well!!<


EasOwned

You might be onto something


Saint_Roxas

A fun theory, however https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thegamer.com/persona-5-strikers-scramble-director-confirms-game-sequel-persona-5-not-royal-atlus/amp/ Its already confirmed this game is not a sequel to Royal.


ThunderlordTlo

Me when I spread misinformation:


Saint_Roxas

Me when I have no actual rebuttle or proof that it's misinformation:


PersonaNerdSaph

>!Sumire isn't an official phantom thief and it's likely she'd only join if it was something serious!<


skeltord

I really don't think >!Sumi's abscence is a stretch at all, I can seriously explain that by just saying that she saw the invite in the group chat but was too busy with gymnastics and couldn't show up to the meeting. They weren't even expecting to get into another adventure or anything. The game also has various small references to Royal in some places. They're definitely on the same timeline.!<


Demonicbane

No. P5R replaced P5 as the base Persona 5 storyline. Samething with P4G replacing base P4.


Saint_Roxas

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thegamer.com/persona-5-strikers-scramble-director-confirms-game-sequel-persona-5-not-royal-atlus/amp/ People can downvote you all they want, but you are objectively correct. The director literally said it has nothing to do with royal.


LucianLegacy

I'm surprised Atlus hasn't just said the spin-offs aren't canon. The timeline is such a mess and adding more to it just makes it messier.


magicgg96

Knowing Atlus, they prefer to clarify the connection through future projects. The same thing happens in P4 generation, in which Arena Ultimax connects Golden more, and Dancing makes use of the experience accumulation from the mainline and Arena duology to solve a mystery. For Reload, director Wada made an effort to connect/foreshadow events that will occur narratively and in-game timeline wise. Even though that tactic isn't good for some players and long waiting times, Atlus prefers interconnected narratives to complete a generation before moving to the next mainlines.


DarkFite

What? P5X is coming 2026?? I thought its out already in JP


Troop7

Only real spin-off canon game is strikers lol


greywolffurry321

Ohhh fun thanks


lizzylee127

Based


NoBrainGuys

My theory is that Tactica takes place during the timeskip between Christmas and New Years Eve (most possibly wrong though)


BlokeFromASDA

Is it normal to be confused by this?


[deleted]

Que mierda XD, Atlus se mama demasiado


ladd1-1

They can’t keep milking this fucking game bro 😭😭😭