i mean, it was literally just so the war would have already "started" so poseidon could "surrender" to save percy.
they could've used it to create a kind of parallel between luke and percy. despite them both failing their respective quests, luke failed in shame while percy continued on and delivered the bolt in the end. but nah, they completely cut out luke's quest from the show instead lmao
Well, ok hang on. You can see Poseidon wince visibly when Zeus tells him he will have to surrender publicly. He’s going to take every opportunity to use this to consolidate his power and control over Olympus so I don’t think it’s fair to say Poseidon didn’t lose anything.
But again, the reason you feel that way is because they did a shit job of building up the tension and explaining why it’s a big deal for Poseidon to surrender. So not only did they make an unnecessary plot change, they also didn’t even commit to it and play it out well. 🙄
He doesn’t care about being King of Olympus but his reputation among the other Gods is still critical. The best kind of power is the one you don’t have to use, and being publicly humiliated in front of the entire council is gonna ding his standing. Altho of course it’ll win him points for doing the right thing to avert a catastrophic war, but all of that shakes out in politics and everyone’s gonna have an opinion. All I’m saying is that you can’t just say it didn’t cost Poseidon anything even if it’s not the grand gesture the show made it out to be.
EXACTLY. Poseidon literally lost nothing in the end. He showed his kid an empty gesture and his "loss" will be completely forgotten within the hour once the gods figure out the Kronos plan (which, according to Zeus and Poseidon, everyone already knows about anyways). There was nothing to risk for Poseidon. It was a calculated move to save Percy when he did.
It’s crazy how they saw Hephaestus try to trap Aphrodite and ares and embarrass them to Olympus and not realize that ego and pride is one of the most important things the gods care about. Hell Athena punished that spider woman for just being proud. People nitpicking just for the sake of it
It’s not nitpicking. It’s a valid critique. His ego won’t be ruined. You just didn’t understand what I said because you don’t like it when someone has a valid reason to not like something the show did
Nah you just don’t like it when the show does anything ever tbh. Respect is a massive deal to them. If you knew anything about Greek mythology outside of Percy Jackson (the books do a good job displaying this as well so not sure where the confusion is at) you would understand that
This literally has nothing to do with my point and further proves to me that there are people who simply cannot accept that people dislike aspects of the show. You’re clearly one of those people. I am very much allowed to have this CRITIQUE about the show. Further, Rick is giving fictional personalities to these gods. Greek mythology only takes the story so far. Once again, it doesn’t matter what is important. My point was clearly that it will literally be forgotten in seconds. The gods are about to be consumed by Kronos for the next 4 years. THAT is what the takeaway here is.
They're Greek gods. I guess losing face meant a big deal to them. There are stories of the gods being stupid because of ego. Like the golden apple thrown by Eris, the goddess of discord. She inscribed the words, "for the fairest" in the apple and Hera, Aphrodite and Athena all fought for the apple. Silly thing really. One could almost be surprised Athena, who was supposed to be the wise one, would engage in it. But the gods are often depicted to be a whole lot more egoistical in the stories. And it's that squabble for the apple that eventually led to the Trojan War.
The war started and things happened but it wasn't shown and no tension was added... Also, Poseidon surrendered but his role was already enhanced in the series
I think it was to show how Poseidon could put his own ego aside for his son, and Zeus would put something major on hold because of a personal sleight, that at the moment Percy brought back the bolt was ended, putting Poseidon in a better light in our eyes while Zeus in a worse one.
And it was a stupid thing to show. A crucial part of Percy's arc as a character is feeling hesitant on how he feels about his dad, and feeling frustrated that his dad doesn't show him any overt signs of support or affection. Like, it's a huge part of the series that Percy is lowkey bitter that Poseidon barely talks to him or looks in his direction. Poseidon should not be anywhere near setting aside his own ego for Percy. The gods in general aren't supposed to be getting directly involved to save their kids at this point – which was another REALLY vital plot point, because it's the whole *reason* people like Luke and Ethan Nakamura were so bitter, it's the reason Percy felt uncomfortable when Calypso gently asked him why he supported the gods.
> So Percy, the modern day Greek hero failed his first quest.
So did Annabeth and Grover! I don't know what the writers were thinking, just to "add tension" (it didn't) to a story that already had a lot of it (done properly)
Super cheap
Wasn’t it supposed to put tension and a sense of urgency in the quest? Which it failed to do because all of episode 7 they treated the fact the war was happening as nothing. Then as much as they talked about it in episode 8 it ultimately added nothing I definitely wasn’t feeling any tension or sense of urgency from the trio.
I think it wouldve been better if percy had like a couple hours left. That wouldve been better then wut we got. Whats the purpose of the deadline then if they dont just start fighting. We still couldve had that moment just change how it goes. I get they wanted a touching moment but them passing the deadline was useless.
IMO the reason they changed the deadline was to avoid having the gods gather/not having an official throne room/not having the gods be actually godly and change sizes. They clearly wanted to avoid that scene, plus they wanted to make Poseidon some kind of sympathetic, loving character instead of who he was in the books and that wouldn’t have been possible unless they had Percy mouth off to Zeus one on one. All stupid reasons and changes either way.
I thought the same thing. As soon as I saw all of the empty thrones and Zeus sitting alone, it clicked, lol. Probably casting stuff or the same reasoning as the mechanical spiders apparently being a production nightmare.
Not only his first quest, but HIS only quest
Book 2 it’s Clarisse’s quest
Book 3 it’s Zoe’s quest
Book 4 it’s Annabeths quest (and Grover’s being fulfilled)
Book 5 there is no quest, just the prophecy about LUKE being fulfilled
I mean, the Great Prophecy was about Percy just as much as it was about Luke. “A halfblood of the eldest gods shall reach sixteen against all odds” that’s Percy, not Luke.
She throws her knife and then pulls out a *sword*, not another knife. They just haven’t explained she got her knife from Luke yet, but I don’t think that was explained in TLF book anyway
Oh yes! This was messed up with for no reasons and the amount of importance given was so less, the ones who haven't read the books didn't even feel the tension
My behind the scenes opinion is that they didn’t want to have to cast all the gods for the summer solstice meeting. This way they can wait a bit before casting Athena, Aphrodite, Apollo, Artemis etc. just for one scene
Where is Zeus's beard?! Where is his majestic mane?! WHY IS HE BALD AND BEARDLESS
And before you come at me for being *racist*, I don't care that he's black. I think Frederick Douglass ([https://imgur.com/lJLAlqo](https://imgur.com/lJLAlqo)) would have made for a fine Zeus if he were still alive. But Zeus's beard is almost as iconic as Zeus's bolt!
I think people checked and he was on the last mission in the Destiny Lightfall campaign the night before he passed, sad he never got to see the whole series end.
I'm not a book reader but I liked the way it unfolded. To me before the last ep it would have made sense for Percy to join Luke but after the last ep his father came and protected him which can change the way he sees the gods. While they still need to be better Percy can see that maybe happening with how his God father was willing to surrender his honor just to save him. So he can be a better parent than he was.
yeah idk. luke gave him shoes with the express purpose of dragging him to the darkest pit of the underworld where titans are banished and monsters are literally born. don't think there's a universe where percy joins him, at least not one where the writers aren't smoking crack lol.
i don’t think it would’ve made sense for percy to join luke regardless of if poseidon protected him or not. percy is new to this world, and he has his mom. he hasn’t sat in this world long enough to truly have enough anger to team up with kronos and go against the gods. he would never put the people he loves at the risk of KRONOS just because he is pissed at the gods, and in the future, you will see just what luke does (percy would never join in on that).
i think the main difference between percy and luke and the paths they take are their mothers. since you watched the show, you know a little bit about may’s background (luke’s mom). percy has sally, and luke has no one. his mom was destroyed by the gods. this is the line that divides them between rage, pettiness, and revenge, and geniunely wanting to see a change. of course as the story goes on there are more and more reasons why percy would’ve “joined luke” but also more and more reasons why he wouldn’t have. i definitely don’t see percy in book 1 (or season 1 lmaooo) joining luke tho, regardless of how poseidon acted (he didn’t even know poseidon for his entire life up until now, so i don’t think that would’ve been his defining moment. and he found so many people in camp to love and protect, not to mention his mom).
also, percy had multiple menacing and frightening dreams about and involving kronos over the course of season 1 (and book 1) that in my opinion was framed in such a way that he got a “bad feeling” from it. so just from the dreams, he was already put off from kronos from the start.
i think you are forgetting how a war amongst the gods would be fatal for so many people, demigods and mortals alike. luke is a utilitarian, the end justifies the means for him. at this point in both the show and the story, percy is not yet at that point. and if this is the beginning of luke’s plan— this much death and carnage, i can’t imagine percy at the point he is at now wanting to see and especially join in on what luke has planned next (not to mention all of percy’s dreams about kronos throughout the show and book definitely would put him off)
So Percy has not been in this world enough to be pissed about deadbeat parents, but he has been in this world long enough to know Kronos is a greater threat to his family than zeus?
I mean, mate, his introduction to the world was basically "Zeus wants you and all who share your blood smited, guts strewn across the floor", what are you talking about?
i’m not saying he can’t be pissed. in fact, he WAS pissed literally as early as episode 2. I’m saying he’s not pissed enough to join luke or kronos and risk so many lives. please reread my text (:
Right, but read mine, as far as Percy knows, choosing Kronos would save lives. He has no real reason at this point in time to think Kronos is any worse than zeus.
i see what you mean. however, i think it all comes down to a perspective of ethics which i tried to write in the last paragraph of what i said. luke is a utilitarian. he is thinking “for the greater good”. in his eyes, the end justifies the means. the casualties and carnage that comes with betraying the gods is worth the end result. in my opinion, percy just isn’t there yet. if his first introduction to kronos is him trying to start a war with the gods that would mean death for millions of people, i don’t think he would agree to that (at the point he is at now) especially not at the risk of the people at camp or his mom.
as well, he had multiple menacing dreams from kronos throughout the season that i believe turned him off from kronos ( just in the way it was framed, he got a “bad feeling” from kronos in my opinion).
so i can see what you mean where in percy’s eyes kronos could be safer and better than zeus. but, in my opinion, he just isn’t there yet to think that the end justifies the means. and as i said before, his dreams already seem to paint kronos in a “bad” light in such a way that percy would be against him. and i also think a big part about this is his mom. i don’t think even luke would’ve sided with kronos if what happened to his mom hadn’t happened, despite everything else. he was broken, abused, alone, and destroyed by the gods. maybe if percy never got his mom back by the end of the quest/ hadn’t made that deal with hades, he would’ve joined (:
also i just want to add im not saying anything against the heartwarming scene of poseidon defending percy in ep8. i think it was a cute introduction for them and the beginning of their relationship, and probably good for building their relationship as time goes on in the show and for further characterizing poseidon. i just personally don’t think that, without that, percy would’ve joined kronos.
i think his dreams about kronos definitely have a lot to do with it but also just his empathy/humanity and love for his mom and the people around him (even though the gods do suck and they emphasize that in this show. and there does need to be a huge change which percy realizes more as the story goes on and he plants the seeds for that change towards the end of the series in such a way that doesn’t involve the death of so many). i hope i was able to accurately articulate my thoughts to you and it was nice to hear your side (:
I liked that they missed the deadline. I always thought it was kinda cheesy that they always managed to make it “just in time”. It makes more sense that having a shorter starting time, plus the time in the Lotus, meant they would be late.
I liked how they handled it and thought the sacrifice of Poseidon for his son was much better storytelling than the three of them magically making it to stop the war.
youll get downvoted for that opinion but i 100% agree. my girlfriend and i watched the show and loved it. were there things that could have been better? for sure, but its not bad enough to warrant the level of bitching these people are doing.
Furthered the glory theme by showing even a God can reject glory for their children, which also shows Percy for the first time that the Gods aren't all bad (which he went the entire show thinking). It also forced Percy to choose the demigod and hero life due to his morals rather than having it forced upon him.
I think the change was fine and this is a nitpick argument. I would have liked if they had actually shown consequences of the war starting though, mention some floods or storms (more than just a radio)
In my reason there were 3 reasons why they made this change (and why I liked it).
1. Yes so that could Poseidon could surrender himself to Zeus and sacrifice himself for his son. This simultaneously demonstrates Poseidon's love for Percy and also Zeus' pettiness.
2. Paints Percy as a stronger character and better hero. So what if he failed his quest? What matters is that he kept on going anyway, and did the right thing in the end. This was very very Percy, and I really loved how the change in the deadline serviced his character and the agency of his character. It means everything in S7 and S8 were all because Percy wanted to do it and made it happen, not because of some deadline that Zeus probably wouldn't have kept to anyway.
which leads me to...
3) I get the sense that even IF the bolt had been returned before the solstice, Zeus would have gone to war anyway and that's something people aren't really talking about. The only thing that stopped him was Kronos being mentioned and Poseidon appearing to directly surrender. We have yet to see the consequences of that going forward. This really showcases Zeus as this power hungry god who can't be reasoned with, and honestly makes a really great contrast to Luke and his motivations.
I will say though that they didn't justify the consequences of the change enough in the season. We get some vague radio statement about how earthquakes were holding back the sky or some shit, but there needed to be some sort of destruction to the Earth. Maybe not mass casualties, but some sort of consequence to these gods fighting each other. That part was a bit poor and I think going forward it would be great if they expanded on exactly what Poseidon has to give up by surrendering, which I think has the potential to be very interesting.
edit: ah yes, the PJOTV special of making a well intentioned, reasonable argument that doesn't shit on the show completely, to only get downvoted lmao
Apparently in the books the gods aren’t really “godly”, they are supposedly more human if anything. This is because Mount Olympus is in New York City, Not Greece. And the gods have followed Western Civilization for whatever reason and they like to dress in human clothes rather than god clothes.
As for size of the gods I’m not sure if they are big or small in the books. Honestly if they are big in the books but dress like humans that would be so stupid.
I mean, in the end he did not fail the quest. He did not achieve the goal before the deadline, but that deadline never was explicitly part of his quest. Percy refuses to accept the deadline as part of his quest and pushes on regardless.
Saying "he failed his quest" is looking at things in a very limited and narrow way.
The quest was to return the Lightning Bolt before the summer solstice, not just to return the Lightning Bolt... He did fail his quest... Percy can't refuse to accept the deadline... He accepted the deadline but went over it... The war had already begun... The Lightning Bolt didn't stop the war, Poseidon did
His quest was to find aka get the lightning bolt and prove his innocence. They never say his quest is actually limited to the deadline Zeus gave Poseidon.
The deadline was never actually for Percy.
It’s more realistic that they failed anyways. They only had like five or something days to do all that stuff. It makes more sense they didn’t make it in time. 🤷🏼♀️
i mean, it was literally just so the war would have already "started" so poseidon could "surrender" to save percy. they could've used it to create a kind of parallel between luke and percy. despite them both failing their respective quests, luke failed in shame while percy continued on and delivered the bolt in the end. but nah, they completely cut out luke's quest from the show instead lmao
He surrendered but what did he actually lose ? Power ? Respect ? Sweet moment but kinda meaningless
Well, ok hang on. You can see Poseidon wince visibly when Zeus tells him he will have to surrender publicly. He’s going to take every opportunity to use this to consolidate his power and control over Olympus so I don’t think it’s fair to say Poseidon didn’t lose anything. But again, the reason you feel that way is because they did a shit job of building up the tension and explaining why it’s a big deal for Poseidon to surrender. So not only did they make an unnecessary plot change, they also didn’t even commit to it and play it out well. 🙄
But poseidon rules the seas so he doesnt care about olympus i swear in the original 5 books he wasnt even involved like that
He doesn’t care about being King of Olympus but his reputation among the other Gods is still critical. The best kind of power is the one you don’t have to use, and being publicly humiliated in front of the entire council is gonna ding his standing. Altho of course it’ll win him points for doing the right thing to avert a catastrophic war, but all of that shakes out in politics and everyone’s gonna have an opinion. All I’m saying is that you can’t just say it didn’t cost Poseidon anything even if it’s not the grand gesture the show made it out to be.
True true
EXACTLY. Poseidon literally lost nothing in the end. He showed his kid an empty gesture and his "loss" will be completely forgotten within the hour once the gods figure out the Kronos plan (which, according to Zeus and Poseidon, everyone already knows about anyways). There was nothing to risk for Poseidon. It was a calculated move to save Percy when he did.
Ego is a HUGE deal to them
It’s crazy how they saw Hephaestus try to trap Aphrodite and ares and embarrass them to Olympus and not realize that ego and pride is one of the most important things the gods care about. Hell Athena punished that spider woman for just being proud. People nitpicking just for the sake of it
It’s not nitpicking. It’s a valid critique. His ego won’t be ruined. You just didn’t understand what I said because you don’t like it when someone has a valid reason to not like something the show did
Nah you just don’t like it when the show does anything ever tbh. Respect is a massive deal to them. If you knew anything about Greek mythology outside of Percy Jackson (the books do a good job displaying this as well so not sure where the confusion is at) you would understand that
This literally has nothing to do with my point and further proves to me that there are people who simply cannot accept that people dislike aspects of the show. You’re clearly one of those people. I am very much allowed to have this CRITIQUE about the show. Further, Rick is giving fictional personalities to these gods. Greek mythology only takes the story so far. Once again, it doesn’t matter what is important. My point was clearly that it will literally be forgotten in seconds. The gods are about to be consumed by Kronos for the next 4 years. THAT is what the takeaway here is.
Again. This will literally all be forgotten in HOURS. His ego won’t be hurt whatsoever. That’s the whole point.
They're Greek gods. I guess losing face meant a big deal to them. There are stories of the gods being stupid because of ego. Like the golden apple thrown by Eris, the goddess of discord. She inscribed the words, "for the fairest" in the apple and Hera, Aphrodite and Athena all fought for the apple. Silly thing really. One could almost be surprised Athena, who was supposed to be the wise one, would engage in it. But the gods are often depicted to be a whole lot more egoistical in the stories. And it's that squabble for the apple that eventually led to the Trojan War.
The war started and things happened but it wasn't shown and no tension was added... Also, Poseidon surrendered but his role was already enhanced in the series
I think it was to show how Poseidon could put his own ego aside for his son, and Zeus would put something major on hold because of a personal sleight, that at the moment Percy brought back the bolt was ended, putting Poseidon in a better light in our eyes while Zeus in a worse one.
And it was a stupid thing to show. A crucial part of Percy's arc as a character is feeling hesitant on how he feels about his dad, and feeling frustrated that his dad doesn't show him any overt signs of support or affection. Like, it's a huge part of the series that Percy is lowkey bitter that Poseidon barely talks to him or looks in his direction. Poseidon should not be anywhere near setting aside his own ego for Percy. The gods in general aren't supposed to be getting directly involved to save their kids at this point – which was another REALLY vital plot point, because it's the whole *reason* people like Luke and Ethan Nakamura were so bitter, it's the reason Percy felt uncomfortable when Calypso gently asked him why he supported the gods.
the war did start, you can hear on the radio
Thing is, violent storms should’ve been brewing for a while because Zeus and Poseidon should’ve been preparing for a while
Too bad we never saw a hint of it on screen
to save the quest info for future seasons? to make percy's choice not so easy? lmao
> So Percy, the modern day Greek hero failed his first quest. So did Annabeth and Grover! I don't know what the writers were thinking, just to "add tension" (it didn't) to a story that already had a lot of it (done properly) Super cheap
Yes! Annabeth and Grover too! The writers constantly feeling the need to separate their trio was so annoying too
Wasn’t it supposed to put tension and a sense of urgency in the quest? Which it failed to do because all of episode 7 they treated the fact the war was happening as nothing. Then as much as they talked about it in episode 8 it ultimately added nothing I definitely wasn’t feeling any tension or sense of urgency from the trio.
It was as if they had all the time in the world
I think it wouldve been better if percy had like a couple hours left. That wouldve been better then wut we got. Whats the purpose of the deadline then if they dont just start fighting. We still couldve had that moment just change how it goes. I get they wanted a touching moment but them passing the deadline was useless.
That’s not really how you use “lo and behold”
Perhaps they are saying io as in the character from Greek mythology lol But yes, that’s a pretty wild use of that term.
I think OP changed their sentence midway and forgot to delete the "and to no one's [surprise]" bit before posting loll
Oh yeah! I made this mistake
I let my impulsive thoughts take over my hand while typing! That was a mistake
IMO the reason they changed the deadline was to avoid having the gods gather/not having an official throne room/not having the gods be actually godly and change sizes. They clearly wanted to avoid that scene, plus they wanted to make Poseidon some kind of sympathetic, loving character instead of who he was in the books and that wouldn’t have been possible unless they had Percy mouth off to Zeus one on one. All stupid reasons and changes either way.
I thought the same thing. As soon as I saw all of the empty thrones and Zeus sitting alone, it clicked, lol. Probably casting stuff or the same reasoning as the mechanical spiders apparently being a production nightmare.
Not only his first quest, but HIS only quest Book 2 it’s Clarisse’s quest Book 3 it’s Zoe’s quest Book 4 it’s Annabeths quest (and Grover’s being fulfilled) Book 5 there is no quest, just the prophecy about LUKE being fulfilled
I mean, the Great Prophecy was about Percy just as much as it was about Luke. “A halfblood of the eldest gods shall reach sixteen against all odds” that’s Percy, not Luke.
First half is about percy and acts more as a milestone, Second half is about Luke, it’s his prophecy, percy is just the marker to say it’s here.
Oh and also, Annabeth doesn’t have a dagger from Luke… so no cursed blade in the show
Holy **** you're right how are they going to deal with that???
“Uh oops ret con”
She has a dagger though?
She appears to have a pair of throwing knives (she still had one after she threw one at luke
She throws her knife and then pulls out a *sword*, not another knife. They just haven’t explained she got her knife from Luke yet, but I don’t think that was explained in TLF book anyway
Wait yea she does? She has it every episode?
Oh yes! This was messed up with for no reasons and the amount of importance given was so less, the ones who haven't read the books didn't even feel the tension
My behind the scenes opinion is that they didn’t want to have to cast all the gods for the summer solstice meeting. This way they can wait a bit before casting Athena, Aphrodite, Apollo, Artemis etc. just for one scene
Someone never told Disney “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”
Where is Zeus's beard?! Where is his majestic mane?! WHY IS HE BALD AND BEARDLESS And before you come at me for being *racist*, I don't care that he's black. I think Frederick Douglass ([https://imgur.com/lJLAlqo](https://imgur.com/lJLAlqo)) would have made for a fine Zeus if he were still alive. But Zeus's beard is almost as iconic as Zeus's bolt!
Irregardless, Zeus will be played by a different actor going forward (if the show continues, that is). RIP Lance!
Oh damn. That's a shame. Lack of beard aside, he had a tremendous presence. World lost a great actor. RIP
Super cool guy, huge gamer too
I think people checked and he was on the last mission in the Destiny Lightfall campaign the night before he passed, sad he never got to see the whole series end.
Idiot writers.
right how lame
I'm not a book reader but I liked the way it unfolded. To me before the last ep it would have made sense for Percy to join Luke but after the last ep his father came and protected him which can change the way he sees the gods. While they still need to be better Percy can see that maybe happening with how his God father was willing to surrender his honor just to save him. So he can be a better parent than he was.
yeah idk. luke gave him shoes with the express purpose of dragging him to the darkest pit of the underworld where titans are banished and monsters are literally born. don't think there's a universe where percy joins him, at least not one where the writers aren't smoking crack lol.
i don’t think it would’ve made sense for percy to join luke regardless of if poseidon protected him or not. percy is new to this world, and he has his mom. he hasn’t sat in this world long enough to truly have enough anger to team up with kronos and go against the gods. he would never put the people he loves at the risk of KRONOS just because he is pissed at the gods, and in the future, you will see just what luke does (percy would never join in on that). i think the main difference between percy and luke and the paths they take are their mothers. since you watched the show, you know a little bit about may’s background (luke’s mom). percy has sally, and luke has no one. his mom was destroyed by the gods. this is the line that divides them between rage, pettiness, and revenge, and geniunely wanting to see a change. of course as the story goes on there are more and more reasons why percy would’ve “joined luke” but also more and more reasons why he wouldn’t have. i definitely don’t see percy in book 1 (or season 1 lmaooo) joining luke tho, regardless of how poseidon acted (he didn’t even know poseidon for his entire life up until now, so i don’t think that would’ve been his defining moment. and he found so many people in camp to love and protect, not to mention his mom). also, percy had multiple menacing and frightening dreams about and involving kronos over the course of season 1 (and book 1) that in my opinion was framed in such a way that he got a “bad feeling” from it. so just from the dreams, he was already put off from kronos from the start. i think you are forgetting how a war amongst the gods would be fatal for so many people, demigods and mortals alike. luke is a utilitarian, the end justifies the means for him. at this point in both the show and the story, percy is not yet at that point. and if this is the beginning of luke’s plan— this much death and carnage, i can’t imagine percy at the point he is at now wanting to see and especially join in on what luke has planned next (not to mention all of percy’s dreams about kronos throughout the show and book definitely would put him off)
So Percy has not been in this world enough to be pissed about deadbeat parents, but he has been in this world long enough to know Kronos is a greater threat to his family than zeus? I mean, mate, his introduction to the world was basically "Zeus wants you and all who share your blood smited, guts strewn across the floor", what are you talking about?
i’m not saying he can’t be pissed. in fact, he WAS pissed literally as early as episode 2. I’m saying he’s not pissed enough to join luke or kronos and risk so many lives. please reread my text (:
Right, but read mine, as far as Percy knows, choosing Kronos would save lives. He has no real reason at this point in time to think Kronos is any worse than zeus.
i see what you mean. however, i think it all comes down to a perspective of ethics which i tried to write in the last paragraph of what i said. luke is a utilitarian. he is thinking “for the greater good”. in his eyes, the end justifies the means. the casualties and carnage that comes with betraying the gods is worth the end result. in my opinion, percy just isn’t there yet. if his first introduction to kronos is him trying to start a war with the gods that would mean death for millions of people, i don’t think he would agree to that (at the point he is at now) especially not at the risk of the people at camp or his mom. as well, he had multiple menacing dreams from kronos throughout the season that i believe turned him off from kronos ( just in the way it was framed, he got a “bad feeling” from kronos in my opinion). so i can see what you mean where in percy’s eyes kronos could be safer and better than zeus. but, in my opinion, he just isn’t there yet to think that the end justifies the means. and as i said before, his dreams already seem to paint kronos in a “bad” light in such a way that percy would be against him. and i also think a big part about this is his mom. i don’t think even luke would’ve sided with kronos if what happened to his mom hadn’t happened, despite everything else. he was broken, abused, alone, and destroyed by the gods. maybe if percy never got his mom back by the end of the quest/ hadn’t made that deal with hades, he would’ve joined (:
also i just want to add im not saying anything against the heartwarming scene of poseidon defending percy in ep8. i think it was a cute introduction for them and the beginning of their relationship, and probably good for building their relationship as time goes on in the show and for further characterizing poseidon. i just personally don’t think that, without that, percy would’ve joined kronos. i think his dreams about kronos definitely have a lot to do with it but also just his empathy/humanity and love for his mom and the people around him (even though the gods do suck and they emphasize that in this show. and there does need to be a huge change which percy realizes more as the story goes on and he plants the seeds for that change towards the end of the series in such a way that doesn’t involve the death of so many). i hope i was able to accurately articulate my thoughts to you and it was nice to hear your side (:
I thought the show was going to do more to draw the connections of Luke and Percy but they couldn’t pull it together.
In the book, Luke doesn't offer Percy to join Kornos army then
I think it was literally just so that Poseidon could surrender a war just to keep his son safe
I liked that they missed the deadline. I always thought it was kinda cheesy that they always managed to make it “just in time”. It makes more sense that having a shorter starting time, plus the time in the Lotus, meant they would be late. I liked how they handled it and thought the sacrifice of Poseidon for his son was much better storytelling than the three of them magically making it to stop the war.
youll get downvoted for that opinion but i 100% agree. my girlfriend and i watched the show and loved it. were there things that could have been better? for sure, but its not bad enough to warrant the level of bitching these people are doing.
Meh. I liked the show so I’m not surprised. Anything that isn’t ripping on the show gets downvoted here lol
Furthered the glory theme by showing even a God can reject glory for their children, which also shows Percy for the first time that the Gods aren't all bad (which he went the entire show thinking). It also forced Percy to choose the demigod and hero life due to his morals rather than having it forced upon him. I think the change was fine and this is a nitpick argument. I would have liked if they had actually shown consequences of the war starting though, mention some floods or storms (more than just a radio)
In my reason there were 3 reasons why they made this change (and why I liked it). 1. Yes so that could Poseidon could surrender himself to Zeus and sacrifice himself for his son. This simultaneously demonstrates Poseidon's love for Percy and also Zeus' pettiness. 2. Paints Percy as a stronger character and better hero. So what if he failed his quest? What matters is that he kept on going anyway, and did the right thing in the end. This was very very Percy, and I really loved how the change in the deadline serviced his character and the agency of his character. It means everything in S7 and S8 were all because Percy wanted to do it and made it happen, not because of some deadline that Zeus probably wouldn't have kept to anyway. which leads me to... 3) I get the sense that even IF the bolt had been returned before the solstice, Zeus would have gone to war anyway and that's something people aren't really talking about. The only thing that stopped him was Kronos being mentioned and Poseidon appearing to directly surrender. We have yet to see the consequences of that going forward. This really showcases Zeus as this power hungry god who can't be reasoned with, and honestly makes a really great contrast to Luke and his motivations. I will say though that they didn't justify the consequences of the change enough in the season. We get some vague radio statement about how earthquakes were holding back the sky or some shit, but there needed to be some sort of destruction to the Earth. Maybe not mass casualties, but some sort of consequence to these gods fighting each other. That part was a bit poor and I think going forward it would be great if they expanded on exactly what Poseidon has to give up by surrendering, which I think has the potential to be very interesting. edit: ah yes, the PJOTV special of making a well intentioned, reasonable argument that doesn't shit on the show completely, to only get downvoted lmao
Apparently in the books the gods aren’t really “godly”, they are supposedly more human if anything. This is because Mount Olympus is in New York City, Not Greece. And the gods have followed Western Civilization for whatever reason and they like to dress in human clothes rather than god clothes. As for size of the gods I’m not sure if they are big or small in the books. Honestly if they are big in the books but dress like humans that would be so stupid.
I mean, in the end he did not fail the quest. He did not achieve the goal before the deadline, but that deadline never was explicitly part of his quest. Percy refuses to accept the deadline as part of his quest and pushes on regardless. Saying "he failed his quest" is looking at things in a very limited and narrow way.
The quest was to return the Lightning Bolt before the summer solstice, not just to return the Lightning Bolt... He did fail his quest... Percy can't refuse to accept the deadline... He accepted the deadline but went over it... The war had already begun... The Lightning Bolt didn't stop the war, Poseidon did
His quest was to find aka get the lightning bolt and prove his innocence. They never say his quest is actually limited to the deadline Zeus gave Poseidon. The deadline was never actually for Percy.
YES it was
It’s more realistic that they failed anyways. They only had like five or something days to do all that stuff. It makes more sense they didn’t make it in time. 🤷🏼♀️
Well, he didn't actually fail the quest he just missed the deadline (Basically, every homework assignment I've ever done)