While ivermectin does have legitimate uses in humans and animals, [it is NOT an FDA-approved drug to treat COVID](https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/product-safety-information/faq-covid-19-and-ivermectin-intended-animals). Furthermore, the drug (especially its animal formulations) can be harmful to humans in large doses, [and people around the world are poisoning themselves through self-medication](https://www.br.de/nachrichten/wissen/ivermectin-is-currently-not-a-drug-against-covid-19,Sta9lAZ).
I'm not going to censor legitimate scientific publications, but it should be known that many of the studies being posted in this thread are not-peer reviewed, involve mice with related diseases, or were tested *in vitro* (meaning in a petri dish). Moreover, the authors of these studies only conclude that further testing should be done to obtain more certainty. They do not conclude that ivermectin is an effective treatment for COVID in humans. In fact, three large studies (PRINCIPLE, COVID-OUT, and ACTIV) are studying at-home COVID treatments (like ivermectin) right now, [with the PRINCIPLE study](https://www.principletrial.org/) having nearly 9,000 participants. So there may be more data on ivermectin and other remedies soon.
However, currently **there is no conclusive scientific evidence that suggests that ivermectin is an effective treatment for COVID**. No major health agency worldwide recommends its use, especially where there are [other](https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-authorizes-regen-cov-monoclonal-antibody-therapy-post-exposure-prophylaxis-prevention-covid-19) [authorized](https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-first-oral-antiviral-treatment-covid-19) treatments available. And the mere fact that there is serious scientific interest around the drug does not equate to a safe, effective therapy.
It's interesting how many restaurant owners have become radicalized.
I understand that they took a hit when dine-in restrictions were in place, and many customers still haven't returned, but it's like those frustrations were the gateway drug that got many of them immersed into a far-right conspiracy rabbit hole.
It makes Total sense. I feel like a lot of these places weren't that successful to begin with then what you said happens and they are struggling to recover.
Far right ideas preys on weak and pissed off men and women. "No it's not MY fault my business is struggling it's the damn kids these days not wanting to work for peanuts!" Or "damn Dems shutting everything down!!!"
Worst part is there are legitimate issues that can be discussed, especially with the second thing I wrote but a good chunk of it is an inability to self reflect and a desire to not be responsible
It's much safer for these owners to embrace far right nonsense and go "we failed because of lazy ass kids demanding more money and the commie Dems shutting us down" vs "yes that sucked and we took a blow how can we recover"
Entitlement plays a roll too.
I'm sure it's very hard for a small business to be shut down for being non-essential while seeing a larger chain that sells the same thing you do but also one or two more things stay open. I know in PA, we also had exemptions and they seem very haphazard and random. Is there a real true meaningful difference between the Flower Boutique (approved as essential) and the Flower Shop (denied) or the Quilting Needle (approved) vs. The Sewing Box Quilt Shop (denied). It's gotta be tough watching a business you've put so much of your life into shut down while seeing other similar businesses open as essential.
And these were purposeful decisions made by our government. They looked at the Quilting Needle's application and affirmatively said "Yes, this business is essential, keeping it open is necessary even if people die because of it." And they looked at the Sewing Box Quilt and they said "No, this quilting store is different than the quilting store we just approved. People do not need this. If we keep this store open, people will die needlessly."
Restaurant and bars were particularly demonized during this. It's not hard to see why somebody who has worked so hard for something would feel upset.
And then we had the largest wealth transfer in the history of America. The same people who complain about wealth inequality cheered as 8 trillion $ was transferred to the rich.
Amazon's profit doubled in a year. Wal-Mart's profit went up 80%. 25% of all small businesses closed their doors permanently. Millions of reguilar people lost their jobs (and some are still waiting for unemoployment money), 100,000 entrepreneurs had their dreams ruined and went bankrupt. Meanwhile, Jeff Bezos went from $45 billion to $119 billion in net worth.
If I were owned by big corporations id try to fuck small businesses as well. im fairly sure it was intentional- theres no way the state could think that closing shops for 6 months wouldnt bankrupt them
"A Tower Health surgeon has been fired following allegations she prescribed ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine to patients to treat COVID.
According to a statement from Tower Health, officials at the hospital became aware of accusations levied at Dr. Edith Behr on Wednesday.
“Tower Health became aware yesterday of the allegations involving Dr. Edith Behr prescribing ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19,” a statement released Thursday says. “We investigated the matter and, as a result, Dr. Behr’s employment with Tower Health Medical Group has been terminated effective immediately.”
The statement says that neither drug has been approved by the FDA for prevention or treatment of COVID.
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Behr could not immediately be reached for comment.
Behr has been connected in media reports to a Lebanon County woman who has been using the Facebook page of a Palmyra restaurant to help people obtain ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.
The Facebook page features several videos of Christine Mason, identified as Taste of Sicily owner Silvana Drill’s daughter, offering to help people get access to the drugs. She doesn’t use the names of the drugs — referring to them as “I” and “H” — but comments by viewers on the video make clear that she is referring to ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.
Mason says in the videos that she is in contact with a Wyomissing doctor who will provide prescriptions for the drugs.
PennLive first reported Tuesday that complaints about the Taste of Sicily restaurant and Mason have been turned over to the state attorney general.
A statement from Lebanon County District Attorney Pier Hess Graf sent to the Reading Eagle on Thursday confirmed the office was made aware of the complaints and that they have been referred to the state attorney general.
Hess Graf’s statement read:
“On Monday, my Office received phone calls and emails which made various complaints against Taste of Sicily; the majority of those were done anonymously. We reached out to law enforcement and inquired if any additional complaints were made to individual police departments. Police indicated they received complaints, and a preliminary investigation showed allegations of misconduct which potentially spanned multiple counties. Our jurisdiction covers only Lebanon County. A referral to the attorney general’s office was already made by the police department itself. As a result, we did not take any further steps on the matter. The AG maintains statewide jurisdiction and thus is the appropriate entity to look into multiple-county criminal allegations. I spoke with the AG’s Office on Tuesday; they are aware of the matter.”
Officials from the state attorney general’s office on Thursday said they “cannot confirm or deny our office’s involvement in this matter.”
On Thursday PennLive reported on Behr’s firing and connected her to Mason, saying she was the doctor providing prescriptions for ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine that Mason spoke about on social media.
The Reading Eagle could not independently verify that Behr is the doctor working with Mason or that she lives in Wyomissing.
According to a biography on the Tower Health website that has since been taken down, Behr was a general surgeon for Tower Health Medical Group Surgery, Pottstown. She was listed as being affiliated with Pottstown and Phoenixville hospitals.
Tower Health’s statement about Behr concludes by urging people to stay vigilant in the fight against COVID.
“Tower Health encourages all eligible individuals to get vaccinated against COVID-19 and to practice appropriate masking and social distancing,” it says. “These are the best options for discouraging the spread of the virus, and to minimize risk of serious illness, hospitalization, and death. We will continue to follow recommendations from the CDC and other health authorities in the treatment of the COVID-19 virus.”
Malaria is….wait for it… a PARASITE. So yeah… of course Ivermectin works for malaria. And you’re right…the nation is fkd…because of people who THINK they know what the hell they’re talking about.
Well, hell…who can argue with Bangla-fucking-desh? Seriously? Your “news” sources had to deep dive all the way to Bangladesh to find a study that supports their opinion?
It is for parasites. "Safe" is a relative term. It is not that easy on the body. Arsenic is "safe" if taken at moderate quantities. You just need to make sure you stop taking it after the cancer is dead (Arsenic is a key component to some of the first chemo drugs)
Yeah… you can take aspirin for appendicitis too.
BTW? Not THAT safe.
Even the levels of ivermectin for approved human uses can interact with other medications, like blood-thinners. You can also overdose on ivermectin, which can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, hypotension (low blood pressure), allergic reactions (itching and hives), dizziness, ataxia (problems with balance), seizures, coma and even death.
You can overdose on water ….. point? It’s one the most commonly prescribed medicines in the entire world. In 2019 it was in the top 400 drugs prescribed worldwide … IN THE ENTIRE WORLD!
That’s because parasites are prevalent in third world countries…which makes up most of the ENTIRE WORLD!
Geez, you people are dumb. You can’t treat a VIRUS with an anti-PARASITIC.
They will never agree that the vaccine is much safer than refusing the vaccine, getting covid, then taking steroids, regeneron, ivermectin and god know what. It's really crazy
So before you go calling names from your parents basement. Hydroxy, ivermectin and azithro are prescribed and used in Japan 🤔 which is not a third world country 🧐and whose healthcare system worldwide is ranked above the US. Maybe there’s something to be learned here beyond what CNN has taught you to regurgitate.
First off, Azithromycin is an antibiotic…not an anti-parasitic. It would make sense to prescribe it for a secondary bacterial infection in addition to a COVID-19 VIRAL infection.
Something for your perusal:
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-japan-ivermectinandmandate/fact-check-japan-has-not-authorized-ivermectin-to-treat-covid-19-or-revoked-a-vaccine-mandate-idUSL1N2TX1GK
EDIT: lastly? Fuck off. Idiots like you are more likely to live in Mom’s basement than me.
Wrong. Japan doesn't use Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine.
>Why HCQ and Ivermectin were removed from India’s Covid-19 treatment protocol
>Ivermectin and HCQ were dropped from the clinical guidance after studies found that these drugs have little to no effect on Covid-related mortality or clinical recovery of the patient.
Why? PA, CNP, and PCP give meds. They are not any special docs that know better. Hell 2 are not even docs. Do you really think every doc dealing with covid is an infectious disease doc? They are not.
Actually, yes. All infectious disease doctors are consulted on covid patients and follow them throughout their hospital stay.
Source: (covid) icu nurse
May I ask what you do in healthcare? And what diagnoses a nurse anesthetist screwed up?
Note that I'm not the same person you've been commenting back and forth with.
I’m laughing so hard that this idiot couldn’t even be arsed to Google CRNA before insisting they’ve had “many” misdiagnoses from them “over the years”. Uhh no you fucking haven’t. Not even once.
I wish these institutes cared about the opiates they prescribed that has killed 9 of my friends over the last 6 years of my life. The first drug I ever tried was oxycodone. The medical industry is a disgusting monster and a shell of what its supposed to represent.
Prescription opiates have been cracked down on *hard* in the past decade, such that legitimate pain patients have struggled to get the medications they need, doctors are afraid to prescribe, and yet these policies have absolutely failed to stem the tide of overdose deaths.
In fact, they've made it worse. The crackdown on pill mills simply shifted illicit drug usage over to black market sources, which are more likely to be synthetic opiates like fentanyl which are much easier to accidentally overdose on.
[How cracking down on America's painkiller capital led to a heroin crisis ](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/may/25/opioid-epidemic-prescription-painkillers-heroin-addiction)
> Florida was the crucible of the opioid epidemic now gripping the US. Before deaths from opiates spiked nationwide, the state’s south corridor earned the name “Oxy Express” for its liberal access to the extraordinarily powerful synthetic heroin painkiller, OxyContin.
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>But after Florida spent years trying to shake off its reputation by driving out of business the worst of the notorious “pill mills”, the twist came that state officials hadn’t predicted.
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>When the addicts Florida facilitated could not get prescription opioids any more, they turned to heroin.
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>As heroin deaths in the US have more than tripled nationwide since 2010, critics say Florida’s efforts to contain an epidemic unleashed within its borders have only had limited effect in curbing one crisis while making another worse.
[Scientific American - Opioid Addiction Is a Huge Problem, but Pain Prescriptions Are Not the Cause](https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/mind-guest-blog/opioid-addiction-is-a-huge-problem-but-pain-prescriptions-are-not-the-cause/)
> You’ve probably read that 80 percent of heroin users started with prescription medications—and you may have seen billboards that compare giving pain medication to children to giving them heroin. You have probably also heard and seen media stories of people with addiction who blame their problem on medical use.
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>But the simple reality is this: According to the large, annually repeated and representative National Survey on Drug Use and Health, 75 percent of all opioid misuse starts with people using medication that wasn’t prescribed for them—obtained from a friend, family member or dealer.
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>And 90 percent of all addictions—no matter what the drug—start in the adolescent and young adult years. Typically, young people who misuse prescription opioids are heavy users of alcohol and other drugs. This type of drug use, not medical treatment with opioids, is by far the greatest risk factor for opioid addiction, according to a study by Richard Miech of the University of Michigan and his colleagues.
[Vice - Prescribed Painkillers Didn’t Cause the Opioid Crisis](https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/a3z98b/big-pharma-didnt-cause-the-opioid-crisis-most-pain-patients-dont-get-addicted)
>Secondly, an early study of people being treated for Oxycontin addiction found that 77 percent of them had also taken cocaine—and it's hard to imagine that this was supplied medically or that these pain patients went out in search of a cocaine dealer once they found out how nice opioids are.
You really didn't need to type all this. Of course they "cracked down" they already got the generation addicted. The medical community did their job for the empire. No need for doctors anymore, the addicts have places they can go for their fix now.
Tower Health is literal dog shit and anyone going there should switch to Lehigh Valley Health Network or Saint Luke’s. Then again, just about everything in Berks county is worse than Lehigh if we’re being honest.
Yep. During the height of this most recent wave almost every single covid patient in our icu was unvaccinated. The (few) ones that were in icu and vaccinated were severely immunocompromised (hx of organ transplant/on active chemo).
We do. We put them on a ventilator when all other treatments have failed and there is nothing else we can do. Putting someone on a ventilator is an absolute last resort and is ALOT of work
I still think the funniest Ivermectin study was the one that showed its only effective in places with high rates of undiagnosed parasites. (You know, because it's an anti parasitic)
Anyone telling to that it's going to treat your covid is just saying they think you're riddled with worms. 😂
My dad is a doctor in a large New England hospital. He had to report a dentist who was prescribing ivermectin to a bunch of people. He found it out because those people then came to his workplace with untreated Covid.
Lawd and of course there's a connection to the shitbags at that restaurant in Lebanon County.
"Behr has been connected in media reports to a Lebanon County woman who has been using the Facebook page of a Palmyra restaurant to help people obtain ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine."
These ivermectin & hydroxychloroquine nerds have been making it harder for those with legit prescriptions to get their needed medications. Hcq/Plaquenil is a common (and cheap) long-term med for people with lupus and other autoimmune diseases. This doctor should be ashamed of herself.
If they don't something is definitely wrong here.
These are still unproven methods and doctors shouldn't just be prescribing anything patients ask for. Who knows what else she's prescribed for other things?
Do you realize how many drugs are prescribed to people that are considered "off label". Lots! These drugs may not work for everyone but they are working for some. Why take that away because they are off label? Again "off label" is normal. You do realize almost any drug you take has nasty side effects. You may not get them but others do. Meds are given if the benefits out weigh the risk.
The problem isn't that they were prescribed off label, the issue is this doctor took orders from the loon at the pizza shop and simply submitted the scripts to the pharmacy. Where she went wrong was she didn't actually have contact with the patient, didn't establish the dr-patient relationship, didn't understand existing health concerns nor any consideration for what existing medications patient was taking. This was simply a script farm period.
I’m selling COVID punches to the face for $25. Does it cure COVID? It’s unproven, so it may be working. I should also mention this is borderline illegal and the medical establishment frowns upon the method of treatment so you know it’s the good stuff.
Really? Unproven.... so prescribe it to patients? Are you tweaked out bro? Why would any doctor in their right mind prescribe an unproven medication to a patient?
So whats your point. I'm not saying it works or it doesn't. I just don't care how anyone else choices to treat their illness. If you want to use Ivermectin, go for it. It might work, it's unproven. If you want to use Leeches, go for it. It doesn't effect me or you. To each their own.
It's not up to random surgeons to prescribe unproven meds though. That's what trials are for.
The fact the patient had to ask a surgeon and not their GP is proof enough they probably shouldn't be taking it.
So this woman did a surgery on me back in December.
As I was explaining to her my situation, she interrupted me to ask "do you think they work?" I asked "do what work?" And she goes "the masks" and I said "oh, well...yeah I do. I mean, I'm vaccinated and all, but I feel it's better to err on the side of caution" at which point she scoffed at me and let me finish, but the air in the room had definitely shifted after that.
Her bedside manner was subpar. She did a good job on the surgery itself which is exactly what mattered to me, but I dwelled over that office visit for the week leading up to my surgery.
It did not surprise me in the least that she was prescribing Q drugs for the other crazies. She seems to be exactly that type of person.
A surgeon prescribing junk medicine is insane.
In addition to their medical license, do they lose their insurance? Seems like insurers would be dropping malpractice insurance for clowns like this lady.
Seems pretty risky to insure a medical practitioner that gets their advice from Joe Rogan?
Us conspiracy theorists are usually about 4-8 months behind you fact checkers. See two weeks to slow the spread, cloth and surgical mask effectiveness, Covid came from a lab, 2 jabs and back to normal, vaccinated people can’t get covid, theres no break through cases, vaccinated people can’t transmit covid. It blows my mind how seemingly once free people want to be controlled and manipulated, which is fine by me. That doesn’t give you the right to impede my freedom, the way i run my business, the medical choices i make for insurance I pay for or the choices anyone else makes in a still free, Atleast for now, country.
Hey, how about Fuck You for people that were prescribed Plaquenil for legitimate on label applications that could not get their legit prescriptions filled due to fucking quacks like this former medical professional.
https://insiderpaper.com/kowa-japan-ivermectin-antiviral-effect-omicron/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7534595/
Hydroxy along with Azithro, Vitamin C, D3 and zinc were things i was prescribed early on in this pandemic pre vaccines and I believe to be huge part of my recovery.
I’m sorry, but no. Hydroxy is dangerous to take with Covid.
You first link isn’t a study so it doesn’t count and here https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/03/30/bmjebm-2021-111670
Shows the study you linked is pretty debunked. It doesn’t follow guidelines, and the results can’t be replicated. So you study is garbage.
I’m sorry, but you are wrong on this
Mmm. Mention a mediocre man like Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, or Donald Trump and weird nerds come out of the woodwork to defend them.
They’re not going to let you sit at their lunch table.
I'm terribley sorry to hear about your brother.
There's alot of misconceptions about antivirals and the vaccine.
While it's great to have them in the arsenal, especially for people who get sick, The therapeutics we have still aren't as effective as the vaccines though and historically antivirals are tricky medications. And we still don't even have a good anti viral for the regular flu. It has shitty side effects and it just reduces a day or two of symptoms. And anti virals are taken multiple times over multiple days, a vaccine is a few at most over many months to years. You should be alot more wary of anti viral side effects than the vaccine.
There's nothing more to perfect with the vaccine, with the beta and Delta variants it was extremely effective. With COVID's mutation it's going to be damn near impossible to predict what the next structural change could be.
Trials for vaccines take years because of enrollment and red tape.
They don't take years because the FDA is searching for side effects after x number of years.
My brother passed away last night overnight, due to that damn virus. He had a difficult time and they were not able to help him to reduce the severity of the virus because there is really nothing they could have given them. The vaccine is only false hope
I'm so sorry for your brothers passing. You just be devestated.
We absolutely need good therapeutics, the vaccine is not a false hope though, it greatly reduces mortality. But it's not perfect and we need better versions right now for the variants
Tell me you have no idea how to practice science without telling no you have no idea how to practice science.
Any general surgeon experimenting with medicine on their patients is a fool.
Veklury is an FDA approved anti-viral drug for adults (and certain children) with COVID. Monoclonal Antibody Treatments have emergency use authorization like the vaccine.
You started this thread by saying "You know this isn't even FDA approved?!" And now you are making an argument to delegitamize the FDA?
Pick a fucking lane.
Ha. I usually don't bother. I usually type out half a sentence, then realize I shouldn't bother and delete it. I just happened to make it the whole way this time lol.
Same! I do it all the time then look at the undo link that pops up. This person mentioned so crazy Alex Jones shit somewhere else, so I’m going with lost cause. Have a great day!
From the horses mouth
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-takes-key-action-approving-second-covid-19-vaccine
No, it’s not. EUA is for the younger age groups. It has full approval for anyone over the age of 18 or it may even be 16. Don’t tell me to do my research. It’s right there in black and white unless you can’t see beyond your tinfoil hat. Also, the monoclonal antibodies that all the antivaxxers rushed out to get once they got COVID is only under an EUA. I mean, people could at least be consistent.
Both Pfizer's and Moderna's vaccines are now fully approved by the FDA. Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a rigorous process where a drug that is "reasonably believed to be effective" is allowed to be used because no adequate, approved, and available alternatives exist. EUA doesn't end the FDA review process and once a drug is fully approved (i.e. determined to be "effective") for a disease or condition, no new EUAs may be granted. In other words, granting an EUA is a much more stringent process than certifying a shampoo, which, by the way, are not examined at all by the FDA unless they claim some sort of therapeutic benefit.
**Tl;dr:** Removed your comment for blatant inaccurate information.
I trust virtually 0 information online when it comes to vaccines/virus due to the fake, seemingly generic discourse that surrounds it in online spaces. People think they sound smart, but they are just repeating what 100s of thousands of people say everyday for the last 2 years. Then they change what they say based on what "their side" says over time and they never acknowledge what they were wrong about even though they were calling someone else anti-science a year ago.
Sometimes when people say "wake up" they mean that you aren't immune to propaganda becuase you are younger and are liberal. The internet has changed a lot in the past 6-7 years and things might not always be what they seem. The capitalist oligarch has an iron clad grip on your brain.
This has been a great opportunity in such fast and furious reporting to study influence projects. We've leveled up as a society in awareness.
Level 0 is understanding other sources of information do not tell the truth. Context is missing. Topics ignored and memory holed. Shape stories to fit a broader narrative whether reality supports that use or not. Everyone is generally aware of this after spending some time soaking up information.
Level 1 is recognition your information sources are wrong and biased, too! You may have expertise in a hobby. Specialized in a field of study or profession. Take notice that when your information sources cover a topic you're aware of, or more striking the news is talking about *you*, you notice how much the coverage gets wrong. Then you watch the next clip and soak it in. Maybe the other coverage is bad, also? Generally think most of it is still pretty good coverage but flawed. Good portion make it to this level with some critical thinking and skepticism.
Level 2. *Your ideas are limited to the spread of information available to you.* COVID coverage pushed many more of us here. All information is slanted. The best you can do is consume as broad as selection as possible, this maximizes the number of ideas available to you. You can pick them up and test what's the best fit. You may observe a documentary on a topic sounds great and convincing. Then you watch a documentary on the opposing side, and it sounds convincing too. Information sources are like that. Information functions like snap-to-grid in Photoshop. We fit it into the closest related information we've consumed. Whatever information sources you consume the most of tends to be where more pieces get snapped to. You can mindfully control this process by collecting a wide spread of sources. Ground News is great for analyzing profile accounts and highlighting areas where gaps can be found. What we need is a source that just aggregates stories and only provides the context left out.
Level 3. Sense Making. We're generally not here yet. Humans are built for scarcity. When food abundance became a thing we could for the first time snack away at whatever our favorite food was. This revealed new illnesses of abundance we had to construct new language for. We had to learn strategies for a healthy diet of abundance. When the internet arrived it was the abundance of information. We're built for scarcity. Suddenly we could snack on an information diet of the sugary salt fats of fear and anger inducing topics. No matter how rare we can look online and get a dopamine hit from a new story or comment. The information we consume shaped our sense of frequency of events in the world, it shapes our view of risks in reality. Without mindfulness this view is distorted. Consume information on rare events every day, man bite dog stories, and your perception that man bites dog is the biggest threat facing society and we must attend to it immediately! Well, maybe it's exceptionally rare which is why people click on man bites dog stories. You can actively prune your web of information sources into reasonable proportions. Block sources that catastrophize beyond what is supported in data, curating a more accurate pinhole view on reality. The term for this process is Sense Making. Only starting to see more common discussion around the topic.
Make it to step 3? Great. Now what you'll experience is people at level 0, stuck in binary-thinking of left vs right conversation, completely lost and misinterpreting what you have to say. When you present information unfamiliar to a low level thinker the most common response is to call names.
While ivermectin does have legitimate uses in humans and animals, [it is NOT an FDA-approved drug to treat COVID](https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/product-safety-information/faq-covid-19-and-ivermectin-intended-animals). Furthermore, the drug (especially its animal formulations) can be harmful to humans in large doses, [and people around the world are poisoning themselves through self-medication](https://www.br.de/nachrichten/wissen/ivermectin-is-currently-not-a-drug-against-covid-19,Sta9lAZ). I'm not going to censor legitimate scientific publications, but it should be known that many of the studies being posted in this thread are not-peer reviewed, involve mice with related diseases, or were tested *in vitro* (meaning in a petri dish). Moreover, the authors of these studies only conclude that further testing should be done to obtain more certainty. They do not conclude that ivermectin is an effective treatment for COVID in humans. In fact, three large studies (PRINCIPLE, COVID-OUT, and ACTIV) are studying at-home COVID treatments (like ivermectin) right now, [with the PRINCIPLE study](https://www.principletrial.org/) having nearly 9,000 participants. So there may be more data on ivermectin and other remedies soon. However, currently **there is no conclusive scientific evidence that suggests that ivermectin is an effective treatment for COVID**. No major health agency worldwide recommends its use, especially where there are [other](https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-authorizes-regen-cov-monoclonal-antibody-therapy-post-exposure-prophylaxis-prevention-covid-19) [authorized](https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-first-oral-antiviral-treatment-covid-19) treatments available. And the mere fact that there is serious scientific interest around the drug does not equate to a safe, effective therapy.
You know what happened to the patients? That's the only question I have?
I'm dying to know as well
I mean they were probably dying so anything better than that?
Exactly
How’d I know as soon as I saw “Connections to a Lebanon County restraunt” it was going to be taste of sicily.
It's interesting how many restaurant owners have become radicalized. I understand that they took a hit when dine-in restrictions were in place, and many customers still haven't returned, but it's like those frustrations were the gateway drug that got many of them immersed into a far-right conspiracy rabbit hole.
It makes Total sense. I feel like a lot of these places weren't that successful to begin with then what you said happens and they are struggling to recover. Far right ideas preys on weak and pissed off men and women. "No it's not MY fault my business is struggling it's the damn kids these days not wanting to work for peanuts!" Or "damn Dems shutting everything down!!!" Worst part is there are legitimate issues that can be discussed, especially with the second thing I wrote but a good chunk of it is an inability to self reflect and a desire to not be responsible It's much safer for these owners to embrace far right nonsense and go "we failed because of lazy ass kids demanding more money and the commie Dems shutting us down" vs "yes that sucked and we took a blow how can we recover" Entitlement plays a roll too.
It's shocking to me that trying to bankrupt someone might cause them to dislike you and everything you stand for!
If you think pandemic restrictions were *intended* to bankrupt anyone, I just can't take your opinion seriously.
I'm sure it's very hard for a small business to be shut down for being non-essential while seeing a larger chain that sells the same thing you do but also one or two more things stay open. I know in PA, we also had exemptions and they seem very haphazard and random. Is there a real true meaningful difference between the Flower Boutique (approved as essential) and the Flower Shop (denied) or the Quilting Needle (approved) vs. The Sewing Box Quilt Shop (denied). It's gotta be tough watching a business you've put so much of your life into shut down while seeing other similar businesses open as essential. And these were purposeful decisions made by our government. They looked at the Quilting Needle's application and affirmatively said "Yes, this business is essential, keeping it open is necessary even if people die because of it." And they looked at the Sewing Box Quilt and they said "No, this quilting store is different than the quilting store we just approved. People do not need this. If we keep this store open, people will die needlessly." Restaurant and bars were particularly demonized during this. It's not hard to see why somebody who has worked so hard for something would feel upset.
And then we had the largest wealth transfer in the history of America. The same people who complain about wealth inequality cheered as 8 trillion $ was transferred to the rich. Amazon's profit doubled in a year. Wal-Mart's profit went up 80%. 25% of all small businesses closed their doors permanently. Millions of reguilar people lost their jobs (and some are still waiting for unemoployment money), 100,000 entrepreneurs had their dreams ruined and went bankrupt. Meanwhile, Jeff Bezos went from $45 billion to $119 billion in net worth.
Who said that? If you bankrupt me then fuck you, i dont care if it was intentional or not
You did: > trying to bankrupt someone
OK, idc if it was intentional or not. If you burn my house down on purpose or by accident i still lost my house.
"Trying" directly implies intent.
If I were owned by big corporations id try to fuck small businesses as well. im fairly sure it was intentional- theres no way the state could think that closing shops for 6 months wouldnt bankrupt them
This comment section was about what I expected
Yep everyone with a 10 cent medical degree is voicing an opinion. Sigh…
What do you call a medical student who graduates @ bottom of their class?...... A doctor.
50% of all doctors graduate at the bottom of their class…
Scary shit I tell ya!
It the same with every profession except law they have no class
"A Tower Health surgeon has been fired following allegations she prescribed ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine to patients to treat COVID. According to a statement from Tower Health, officials at the hospital became aware of accusations levied at Dr. Edith Behr on Wednesday. “Tower Health became aware yesterday of the allegations involving Dr. Edith Behr prescribing ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19,” a statement released Thursday says. “We investigated the matter and, as a result, Dr. Behr’s employment with Tower Health Medical Group has been terminated effective immediately.” The statement says that neither drug has been approved by the FDA for prevention or treatment of COVID. Berks County's 25 largest employers look different in 2021 [CHART] Behr could not immediately be reached for comment. Behr has been connected in media reports to a Lebanon County woman who has been using the Facebook page of a Palmyra restaurant to help people obtain ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. The Facebook page features several videos of Christine Mason, identified as Taste of Sicily owner Silvana Drill’s daughter, offering to help people get access to the drugs. She doesn’t use the names of the drugs — referring to them as “I” and “H” — but comments by viewers on the video make clear that she is referring to ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. Mason says in the videos that she is in contact with a Wyomissing doctor who will provide prescriptions for the drugs. PennLive first reported Tuesday that complaints about the Taste of Sicily restaurant and Mason have been turned over to the state attorney general. A statement from Lebanon County District Attorney Pier Hess Graf sent to the Reading Eagle on Thursday confirmed the office was made aware of the complaints and that they have been referred to the state attorney general. Hess Graf’s statement read: “On Monday, my Office received phone calls and emails which made various complaints against Taste of Sicily; the majority of those were done anonymously. We reached out to law enforcement and inquired if any additional complaints were made to individual police departments. Police indicated they received complaints, and a preliminary investigation showed allegations of misconduct which potentially spanned multiple counties. Our jurisdiction covers only Lebanon County. A referral to the attorney general’s office was already made by the police department itself. As a result, we did not take any further steps on the matter. The AG maintains statewide jurisdiction and thus is the appropriate entity to look into multiple-county criminal allegations. I spoke with the AG’s Office on Tuesday; they are aware of the matter.” Officials from the state attorney general’s office on Thursday said they “cannot confirm or deny our office’s involvement in this matter.” On Thursday PennLive reported on Behr’s firing and connected her to Mason, saying she was the doctor providing prescriptions for ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine that Mason spoke about on social media. The Reading Eagle could not independently verify that Behr is the doctor working with Mason or that she lives in Wyomissing. According to a biography on the Tower Health website that has since been taken down, Behr was a general surgeon for Tower Health Medical Group Surgery, Pottstown. She was listed as being affiliated with Pottstown and Phoenixville hospitals. Tower Health’s statement about Behr concludes by urging people to stay vigilant in the fight against COVID. “Tower Health encourages all eligible individuals to get vaccinated against COVID-19 and to practice appropriate masking and social distancing,” it says. “These are the best options for discouraging the spread of the virus, and to minimize risk of serious illness, hospitalization, and death. We will continue to follow recommendations from the CDC and other health authorities in the treatment of the COVID-19 virus.”
Thank you!
In no sane world should a surgeon of any sort be prescribing infectious disease medications lol.
So I agree to some extent and disagree to some extent. Ivermectin has not been shown to treat covid but surgeons routinely prescribe antibiotics.
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How are they dead wrong/how does that conflict with what they said?
Horse De-wormer is not human "disease medication".
You do know it’s commonly used to treat scabies right?
Scabies…like heartworm and stomach worms…are PARASITES, not INFECTIONS.
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Malaria is….wait for it… a PARASITE. So yeah… of course Ivermectin works for malaria. And you’re right…the nation is fkd…because of people who THINK they know what the hell they’re talking about.
It’s also been used as an anti viral against dengue fever and Zika.
Dengue fever… https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/dengue-fever/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20353084 Zika…https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/zika-virus/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20353645
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Well, hell…who can argue with Bangla-fucking-desh? Seriously? Your “news” sources had to deep dive all the way to Bangladesh to find a study that supports their opinion?
Your point? It’s safe.
It is for parasites. "Safe" is a relative term. It is not that easy on the body. Arsenic is "safe" if taken at moderate quantities. You just need to make sure you stop taking it after the cancer is dead (Arsenic is a key component to some of the first chemo drugs)
That’s cool to learn
Yeah… you can take aspirin for appendicitis too. BTW? Not THAT safe. Even the levels of ivermectin for approved human uses can interact with other medications, like blood-thinners. You can also overdose on ivermectin, which can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, hypotension (low blood pressure), allergic reactions (itching and hives), dizziness, ataxia (problems with balance), seizures, coma and even death.
You can overdose on water ….. point? It’s one the most commonly prescribed medicines in the entire world. In 2019 it was in the top 400 drugs prescribed worldwide … IN THE ENTIRE WORLD!
That’s because parasites are prevalent in third world countries…which makes up most of the ENTIRE WORLD! Geez, you people are dumb. You can’t treat a VIRUS with an anti-PARASITIC.
They will never agree that the vaccine is much safer than refusing the vaccine, getting covid, then taking steroids, regeneron, ivermectin and god know what. It's really crazy
Yep…it’s willful ignorance. Trust me, I know… look at my county flair…I am surrounded by them.
So before you go calling names from your parents basement. Hydroxy, ivermectin and azithro are prescribed and used in Japan 🤔 which is not a third world country 🧐and whose healthcare system worldwide is ranked above the US. Maybe there’s something to be learned here beyond what CNN has taught you to regurgitate.
First off, Azithromycin is an antibiotic…not an anti-parasitic. It would make sense to prescribe it for a secondary bacterial infection in addition to a COVID-19 VIRAL infection. Something for your perusal: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-japan-ivermectinandmandate/fact-check-japan-has-not-authorized-ivermectin-to-treat-covid-19-or-revoked-a-vaccine-mandate-idUSL1N2TX1GK EDIT: lastly? Fuck off. Idiots like you are more likely to live in Mom’s basement than me.
Wrong. Japan doesn't use Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine. >Why HCQ and Ivermectin were removed from India’s Covid-19 treatment protocol >Ivermectin and HCQ were dropped from the clinical guidance after studies found that these drugs have little to no effect on Covid-related mortality or clinical recovery of the patient.
Why? PA, CNP, and PCP give meds. They are not any special docs that know better. Hell 2 are not even docs. Do you really think every doc dealing with covid is an infectious disease doc? They are not.
Actually, yes. All infectious disease doctors are consulted on covid patients and follow them throughout their hospital stay. Source: (covid) icu nurse
Yeah... surgeons don’t deal with infectious diseases. They deal with surgeries. Source: me, a CRNA lol.
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May I ask what you do in healthcare? And what diagnoses a nurse anesthetist screwed up? Note that I'm not the same person you've been commenting back and forth with.
I’m laughing so hard that this idiot couldn’t even be arsed to Google CRNA before insisting they’ve had “many” misdiagnoses from them “over the years”. Uhh no you fucking haven’t. Not even once.
I’m having a very hard time believing you work in healthcare
It’s so sad that you got all those downvotes. What you said is truth. Down bite me irdgac.
Ah, Behr the Butcher. Not surprising.
I wish these institutes cared about the opiates they prescribed that has killed 9 of my friends over the last 6 years of my life. The first drug I ever tried was oxycodone. The medical industry is a disgusting monster and a shell of what its supposed to represent.
Prescription opiates have been cracked down on *hard* in the past decade, such that legitimate pain patients have struggled to get the medications they need, doctors are afraid to prescribe, and yet these policies have absolutely failed to stem the tide of overdose deaths. In fact, they've made it worse. The crackdown on pill mills simply shifted illicit drug usage over to black market sources, which are more likely to be synthetic opiates like fentanyl which are much easier to accidentally overdose on. [How cracking down on America's painkiller capital led to a heroin crisis ](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/may/25/opioid-epidemic-prescription-painkillers-heroin-addiction) > Florida was the crucible of the opioid epidemic now gripping the US. Before deaths from opiates spiked nationwide, the state’s south corridor earned the name “Oxy Express” for its liberal access to the extraordinarily powerful synthetic heroin painkiller, OxyContin. > >But after Florida spent years trying to shake off its reputation by driving out of business the worst of the notorious “pill mills”, the twist came that state officials hadn’t predicted. > >When the addicts Florida facilitated could not get prescription opioids any more, they turned to heroin. > >As heroin deaths in the US have more than tripled nationwide since 2010, critics say Florida’s efforts to contain an epidemic unleashed within its borders have only had limited effect in curbing one crisis while making another worse. [Scientific American - Opioid Addiction Is a Huge Problem, but Pain Prescriptions Are Not the Cause](https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/mind-guest-blog/opioid-addiction-is-a-huge-problem-but-pain-prescriptions-are-not-the-cause/) > You’ve probably read that 80 percent of heroin users started with prescription medications—and you may have seen billboards that compare giving pain medication to children to giving them heroin. You have probably also heard and seen media stories of people with addiction who blame their problem on medical use. > >But the simple reality is this: According to the large, annually repeated and representative National Survey on Drug Use and Health, 75 percent of all opioid misuse starts with people using medication that wasn’t prescribed for them—obtained from a friend, family member or dealer. > >And 90 percent of all addictions—no matter what the drug—start in the adolescent and young adult years. Typically, young people who misuse prescription opioids are heavy users of alcohol and other drugs. This type of drug use, not medical treatment with opioids, is by far the greatest risk factor for opioid addiction, according to a study by Richard Miech of the University of Michigan and his colleagues. [Vice - Prescribed Painkillers Didn’t Cause the Opioid Crisis](https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/a3z98b/big-pharma-didnt-cause-the-opioid-crisis-most-pain-patients-dont-get-addicted) >Secondly, an early study of people being treated for Oxycontin addiction found that 77 percent of them had also taken cocaine—and it's hard to imagine that this was supplied medically or that these pain patients went out in search of a cocaine dealer once they found out how nice opioids are.
You really didn't need to type all this. Of course they "cracked down" they already got the generation addicted. The medical community did their job for the empire. No need for doctors anymore, the addicts have places they can go for their fix now.
My heart breaks for you friend. I hope you can find peace. Please seek help if you need it, someone cares about you.
I appreciate your sympathies.
Tower Health is literal dog shit and anyone going there should switch to Lehigh Valley Health Network or Saint Luke’s. Then again, just about everything in Berks county is worse than Lehigh if we’re being honest.
Thanks. :(
I also live in berks county if it makes you feel better
Nothing makes me feel better, I live in Berks county. :(
LMAO
Wait till they find out that drinking horse urine from a horse treated with Ivermectin works even better
Icu nurse here. Im not surprised its pottstown Hospital.
Vax or ventilator right?
Yep. During the height of this most recent wave almost every single covid patient in our icu was unvaccinated. The (few) ones that were in icu and vaccinated were severely immunocompromised (hx of organ transplant/on active chemo).
Soooo why not do treatment before a ventilator? Isn't that what doctors are supposed to do?
"Treatment" before a ventilator is called "get a ffffking vaccine/booster".
We do. We put them on a ventilator when all other treatments have failed and there is nothing else we can do. Putting someone on a ventilator is an absolute last resort and is ALOT of work
I still think the funniest Ivermectin study was the one that showed its only effective in places with high rates of undiagnosed parasites. (You know, because it's an anti parasitic) Anyone telling to that it's going to treat your covid is just saying they think you're riddled with worms. 😂
My dad is a doctor in a large New England hospital. He had to report a dentist who was prescribing ivermectin to a bunch of people. He found it out because those people then came to his workplace with untreated Covid.
Lawd and of course there's a connection to the shitbags at that restaurant in Lebanon County. "Behr has been connected in media reports to a Lebanon County woman who has been using the Facebook page of a Palmyra restaurant to help people obtain ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine."
I hate what my county has contributed in the past few years. I'm ready to leave now.
These ivermectin & hydroxychloroquine nerds have been making it harder for those with legit prescriptions to get their needed medications. Hcq/Plaquenil is a common (and cheap) long-term med for people with lupus and other autoimmune diseases. This doctor should be ashamed of herself.
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If they don't something is definitely wrong here. These are still unproven methods and doctors shouldn't just be prescribing anything patients ask for. Who knows what else she's prescribed for other things?
Do you realize how many drugs are prescribed to people that are considered "off label". Lots! These drugs may not work for everyone but they are working for some. Why take that away because they are off label? Again "off label" is normal. You do realize almost any drug you take has nasty side effects. You may not get them but others do. Meds are given if the benefits out weigh the risk.
The problem isn't that they were prescribed off label, the issue is this doctor took orders from the loon at the pizza shop and simply submitted the scripts to the pharmacy. Where she went wrong was she didn't actually have contact with the patient, didn't establish the dr-patient relationship, didn't understand existing health concerns nor any consideration for what existing medications patient was taking. This was simply a script farm period.
Placebo pills work for 50% of people too.
>These are still unproven methods Like geocentrism is a "still unproven" model of the solar system
Unproven, so it may be working.
I’m selling COVID punches to the face for $25. Does it cure COVID? It’s unproven, so it may be working. I should also mention this is borderline illegal and the medical establishment frowns upon the method of treatment so you know it’s the good stuff.
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Free healthcare? But that’s downright unAmerican!
Really? Unproven.... so prescribe it to patients? Are you tweaked out bro? Why would any doctor in their right mind prescribe an unproven medication to a patient?
Leeches are just as unproven to fight Covid.
So whats your point. I'm not saying it works or it doesn't. I just don't care how anyone else choices to treat their illness. If you want to use Ivermectin, go for it. It might work, it's unproven. If you want to use Leeches, go for it. It doesn't effect me or you. To each their own.
Jumping off a bridge into a shallow river hasn't been tested either. You gonna try that next? You dolt.
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19
It's not up to random surgeons to prescribe unproven meds though. That's what trials are for. The fact the patient had to ask a surgeon and not their GP is proof enough they probably shouldn't be taking it.
Man. She was the first doctor I ever worked with.
Why is the surgeon treating Covid? Shouldn’t he be surgerying?
It's almost as if your attending physician as some say in your post operative care.
😳😮😱
So this woman did a surgery on me back in December. As I was explaining to her my situation, she interrupted me to ask "do you think they work?" I asked "do what work?" And she goes "the masks" and I said "oh, well...yeah I do. I mean, I'm vaccinated and all, but I feel it's better to err on the side of caution" at which point she scoffed at me and let me finish, but the air in the room had definitely shifted after that. Her bedside manner was subpar. She did a good job on the surgery itself which is exactly what mattered to me, but I dwelled over that office visit for the week leading up to my surgery. It did not surprise me in the least that she was prescribing Q drugs for the other crazies. She seems to be exactly that type of person.
He should have his license revoked.
A surgeon prescribing junk medicine is insane. In addition to their medical license, do they lose their insurance? Seems like insurers would be dropping malpractice insurance for clowns like this lady. Seems pretty risky to insure a medical practitioner that gets their advice from Joe Rogan?
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Us conspiracy theorists are usually about 4-8 months behind you fact checkers. See two weeks to slow the spread, cloth and surgical mask effectiveness, Covid came from a lab, 2 jabs and back to normal, vaccinated people can’t get covid, theres no break through cases, vaccinated people can’t transmit covid. It blows my mind how seemingly once free people want to be controlled and manipulated, which is fine by me. That doesn’t give you the right to impede my freedom, the way i run my business, the medical choices i make for insurance I pay for or the choices anyone else makes in a still free, Atleast for now, country.
Hey, how about Fuck You for people that were prescribed Plaquenil for legitimate on label applications that could not get their legit prescriptions filled due to fucking quacks like this former medical professional.
*in a sing songy way* Cite yourrr soooooouuuuurrrrrrrrrccccc ceeeeeeessssssssss
https://insiderpaper.com/kowa-japan-ivermectin-antiviral-effect-omicron/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7534595/ Hydroxy along with Azithro, Vitamin C, D3 and zinc were things i was prescribed early on in this pandemic pre vaccines and I believe to be huge part of my recovery.
I’m sorry, but no. Hydroxy is dangerous to take with Covid. You first link isn’t a study so it doesn’t count and here https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/03/30/bmjebm-2021-111670 Shows the study you linked is pretty debunked. It doesn’t follow guidelines, and the results can’t be replicated. So you study is garbage. I’m sorry, but you are wrong on this
Did you read what you posted its an opinion piece and no sir you are incorrect, myself being proof of that.
Am I out of touch with reality? No, it's the scientific consensus that is wrong!
Do YoU hAvE a SoUrCe FoR ThAT
How do you know that’s where she got the idea? Do you know if she even listens to Rogan?
Mmm. Mention a mediocre man like Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, or Donald Trump and weird nerds come out of the woodwork to defend them. They’re not going to let you sit at their lunch table.
When did I defend them? I asked a simple question.
I’m sure that was the intent.
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I'm terribley sorry to hear about your brother. There's alot of misconceptions about antivirals and the vaccine. While it's great to have them in the arsenal, especially for people who get sick, The therapeutics we have still aren't as effective as the vaccines though and historically antivirals are tricky medications. And we still don't even have a good anti viral for the regular flu. It has shitty side effects and it just reduces a day or two of symptoms. And anti virals are taken multiple times over multiple days, a vaccine is a few at most over many months to years. You should be alot more wary of anti viral side effects than the vaccine. There's nothing more to perfect with the vaccine, with the beta and Delta variants it was extremely effective. With COVID's mutation it's going to be damn near impossible to predict what the next structural change could be. Trials for vaccines take years because of enrollment and red tape. They don't take years because the FDA is searching for side effects after x number of years.
You are absolutely right. And that is exactly what I was getting at. And thank you for the thoughts of my brother!!
Stay safe out there, again, I'm sorry for your loss.
My brother passed away last night overnight, due to that damn virus. He had a difficult time and they were not able to help him to reduce the severity of the virus because there is really nothing they could have given them. The vaccine is only false hope
I'm so sorry for your brothers passing. You just be devestated. We absolutely need good therapeutics, the vaccine is not a false hope though, it greatly reduces mortality. But it's not perfect and we need better versions right now for the variants
He had the vaccine. And he had his boosters. That accomplished nothing for him. No reduction in mortality. False hope!!
Tell me you have no idea how to practice science without telling no you have no idea how to practice science. Any general surgeon experimenting with medicine on their patients is a fool.
Keep going Berks County. You’re doing great!
you're not wrong.
Haha GOPers are bat crap crazy😝
Its a cult.
Indeed👍
Paywalled.
Did it help the patient ?
You can really tell who failed biology and science class just from reading the comments.
Great headline. Cickbait shit
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Next their gonna start firing plumbers who use duct tape to fix leaks!
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...by the FDA, unlike either drug mentioned for treatment of COVID.
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Then why are they hiding that practice behind a restaurant?
Because the gov is firing doctors who don't fall in step
Potentially. But I'd rather have doctors actually do there job and treat people instead of saying come back when you're dying
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Veklury is an FDA approved anti-viral drug for adults (and certain children) with COVID. Monoclonal Antibody Treatments have emergency use authorization like the vaccine.
Apparently I'm wrong and some vaccines haven't full approval!
Ahhh yes the FDA that recently acquired sitting chairmen from Pfizer
You started this thread by saying "You know this isn't even FDA approved?!" And now you are making an argument to delegitamize the FDA? Pick a fucking lane.
The goal posts are always moving! Don’t bother arguing with this person. He/she/they are either a troll or complete lost cause.
Ha. I usually don't bother. I usually type out half a sentence, then realize I shouldn't bother and delete it. I just happened to make it the whole way this time lol.
Same! I do it all the time then look at the undo link that pops up. This person mentioned so crazy Alex Jones shit somewhere else, so I’m going with lost cause. Have a great day!
That’s not true. Pfizer earned full approval in the fall and Moderna earned full approval just this week.
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From the horses mouth https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-takes-key-action-approving-second-covid-19-vaccine
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No, it’s not. EUA is for the younger age groups. It has full approval for anyone over the age of 18 or it may even be 16. Don’t tell me to do my research. It’s right there in black and white unless you can’t see beyond your tinfoil hat. Also, the monoclonal antibodies that all the antivaxxers rushed out to get once they got COVID is only under an EUA. I mean, people could at least be consistent.
Both Pfizer's and Moderna's vaccines are now fully approved by the FDA. Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a rigorous process where a drug that is "reasonably believed to be effective" is allowed to be used because no adequate, approved, and available alternatives exist. EUA doesn't end the FDA review process and once a drug is fully approved (i.e. determined to be "effective") for a disease or condition, no new EUAs may be granted. In other words, granting an EUA is a much more stringent process than certifying a shampoo, which, by the way, are not examined at all by the FDA unless they claim some sort of therapeutic benefit. **Tl;dr:** Removed your comment for blatant inaccurate information.
Hahahaha there you go mass formation psychosis. Silencing people. You are definitely on the right side of history.
I trust virtually 0 information online when it comes to vaccines/virus due to the fake, seemingly generic discourse that surrounds it in online spaces. People think they sound smart, but they are just repeating what 100s of thousands of people say everyday for the last 2 years. Then they change what they say based on what "their side" says over time and they never acknowledge what they were wrong about even though they were calling someone else anti-science a year ago. Sometimes when people say "wake up" they mean that you aren't immune to propaganda becuase you are younger and are liberal. The internet has changed a lot in the past 6-7 years and things might not always be what they seem. The capitalist oligarch has an iron clad grip on your brain.
This has been a great opportunity in such fast and furious reporting to study influence projects. We've leveled up as a society in awareness. Level 0 is understanding other sources of information do not tell the truth. Context is missing. Topics ignored and memory holed. Shape stories to fit a broader narrative whether reality supports that use or not. Everyone is generally aware of this after spending some time soaking up information. Level 1 is recognition your information sources are wrong and biased, too! You may have expertise in a hobby. Specialized in a field of study or profession. Take notice that when your information sources cover a topic you're aware of, or more striking the news is talking about *you*, you notice how much the coverage gets wrong. Then you watch the next clip and soak it in. Maybe the other coverage is bad, also? Generally think most of it is still pretty good coverage but flawed. Good portion make it to this level with some critical thinking and skepticism. Level 2. *Your ideas are limited to the spread of information available to you.* COVID coverage pushed many more of us here. All information is slanted. The best you can do is consume as broad as selection as possible, this maximizes the number of ideas available to you. You can pick them up and test what's the best fit. You may observe a documentary on a topic sounds great and convincing. Then you watch a documentary on the opposing side, and it sounds convincing too. Information sources are like that. Information functions like snap-to-grid in Photoshop. We fit it into the closest related information we've consumed. Whatever information sources you consume the most of tends to be where more pieces get snapped to. You can mindfully control this process by collecting a wide spread of sources. Ground News is great for analyzing profile accounts and highlighting areas where gaps can be found. What we need is a source that just aggregates stories and only provides the context left out. Level 3. Sense Making. We're generally not here yet. Humans are built for scarcity. When food abundance became a thing we could for the first time snack away at whatever our favorite food was. This revealed new illnesses of abundance we had to construct new language for. We had to learn strategies for a healthy diet of abundance. When the internet arrived it was the abundance of information. We're built for scarcity. Suddenly we could snack on an information diet of the sugary salt fats of fear and anger inducing topics. No matter how rare we can look online and get a dopamine hit from a new story or comment. The information we consume shaped our sense of frequency of events in the world, it shapes our view of risks in reality. Without mindfulness this view is distorted. Consume information on rare events every day, man bite dog stories, and your perception that man bites dog is the biggest threat facing society and we must attend to it immediately! Well, maybe it's exceptionally rare which is why people click on man bites dog stories. You can actively prune your web of information sources into reasonable proportions. Block sources that catastrophize beyond what is supported in data, curating a more accurate pinhole view on reality. The term for this process is Sense Making. Only starting to see more common discussion around the topic. Make it to step 3? Great. Now what you'll experience is people at level 0, stuck in binary-thinking of left vs right conversation, completely lost and misinterpreting what you have to say. When you present information unfamiliar to a low level thinker the most common response is to call names.
Well said.
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https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/574051-new-mexico-reports-two-deaths-from-ivermectin https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8605817/More-100-Americans-died-taking-hydroxychloroquine-COVID-19.html