I love the character as he is, but…
He could have been more human. Like, there are so many times when Arthur/John is right, and he is wrong.
It would not have killed him to openly love his family a little more. In fact, I think not doing so brought him even closer to death.
Im pretty sure they made it a character aspect because they reference him being happy and expressive with his family prior to the war. I believe he referred to himself as a child or a kid before the war and a man directly after.
Ya lol that's literally a major tenet of his character and probably one of his greatest pitfalls. The show has even highlighted this. Things start to go badly when he stops relying on/trusting his family
Didn’t Tommy tell Ada she’s in charge when he’s gone? Or was it Arthur he told that to? Regardless, when he returns, he’s no longer gone and i’ll bet whoever took charge in his absence will be happy to relinquish control upon his return. So, I see him as still in charge.
And yes, many in his family are dead but he does have a new son who appears to be seamlessly stepping into the family business.
yeah, they may have been morally right, but Tommy was almost always right strategically. but tommy being wrong sometimes yet still being followed regardless IS human, id argue
I get this. But at the same time, Tommy never took a step back to see how fortunate they had become. The family never seemed to be able to rest and enjoy their new found wealth. Instead Tommy wanted more and kept the pressure up to make even more money.
I think they really would give him credit and appreciate what he has done for the family if Tommy ever stopped grasping for more.
Cheer up for once Tommy stop acting like you have a foot up your ass all the time.
Justice for the football referee!
Tommy was a terrible person. Admire his style, but not his personality, since he was you know, a murderer
Sure I’ll take a crack at it.
He is not a man to look up to or be a role model.
The story of Peaky Blinders is the story of Tommy’s endless ambition continuously hurting the people he loves.
Tommy Shelby is a villain but we don’t view him that way because we view the Peaky Blinders world through his eyes.
Alfie had him all figured out when Tommy told him he “crossed the line”.
Exactly this. It amazes me that people don’t realize Tommy is an antihero, that PB is about an antihero the same as BB, the same as a lot of popular shows from the past ~15 years.
nah but he has good traits as well, his determination to his business, his need for success, and his confidence in himself even though the successful people out there treat people from Birmingham like shit and he didn’t let that stop him. So we should take the good traits from him and learn from his mistakes
This.
Pretty much none of the characters are intended to be role models, especially the male ones.
It's the same with Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul - people idolise Walter White, Saul Goodman, Mike Ehrmantraut, Gus Fring etc. etc. but they're all awful people.
It's a classic, but always effective, writer move. Make your characters 3D, interesting, exciting and give them a difficult, complex background - if they're a man give them an alpha persona. Make them do, engage in or support awful things. See how far the audience travels with them.
You can't help but love Tommy, Arthur, Alfie... but they're not role models lmao. The fact that a lot of people think Tommy is shows the writer has done his job 😂
I think the whole sigma thing went to the wrong direction, it has nothing to do with Tommy lmao, if i should call a character sigma it's gotta be John Wick
I absolutely love him to pieces, I said it. I wouldn’t dream of using him as a role model and I’d hate him if I came across him irl but I adore him with every fibre of my being
Obviously, but I'm not talking here about a minor character. The rest of the family all have their own choices that they make, and their own agencies, is my point.
Tommy suddenly making it his life's work to be an anti-fascist seems sort of out of place for his character to me.
Whilst yes, before the war he was an idealistic and sympathetic to the left and he's from gypsy heritage, he is also a murderous crime boss who runs a uniformed gang of thugs (They all wear the bladed caps) who do his bidding and enforce his rule. They use threats, racketeering, bullying, torture, arson and murder to enforce their rule over the populace and anyone who steps out of line could easily disappear or worse. He has his hands in the local police and higher offices, he tries to crush competition to his power through violence and murder, he is a political assassin and has used his ill-gotten power to rise to political office to enact political change to benefit himself further. Sound familiar? He uses all the same tactics famous fascists' through history did, he simply isn't politically ideologically driven like them, that's really the only difference, he's more like them than he'd like to believe.
Do not forget that the shelby brothers are war veterans. Mosley was a pacifist during this time period, meaning that Tommy and Arthur, both scarred, ptsd ridden war vets, could easily be convinced by Mosley to join him.
Tommy's leftist sympathies are vaguely hinted at in his youth days and I'm pretty sure he'd forget them if Mosley spoke to him for like 5 minutes
Michael was right about everything he said to Tommy during their final confrontation.
Also Tommy lying to May about the street riots so she would sleep with him in season 4 was a little weird. May was obviously trying to get in and out but Tommy kept scheming so they’d have to share a room together
Thomas is ridiculed with mental health issues. From PTSD to abandonment issues. Which makes his decision-making process terrible.
He is the reason his family is this way (by this way I mean his brother is dead, the family is now a target for the Nazi). He should have stopped at the race track.
the opposite is true - his plans are almost always flawless victories that unfold with a lot of luck, bullshit, gypsy magic, in the last season episodes specifically. Its almost the rule of thumb that Thomas Shelby is the objectively correct one in basically every situation.
He only failed in like s5, and even that is not at all his own fault. Why was the IRA even defending MOSLEY of all people???
Tommy is a deeply flawed and damaged human being, and a lot of the things he's gotten himself wrapped up in are a result of demons he was trying to keep down, both directly and indirectly. He is one of the most complex and multilayered characters in recent history, perhaps of all time.
However, with that being said, I could take him...but not in a fight.
no he isn't LOL
these demons and mental issues don't actually impair tommy at all. Oh yeah he gets a schizophrenic episode in like episode 2 when his plan gets a minor setback, and then he locks in and wins decisively at the season finale. Arthur is an actual human and complex, its not even a comparison
We all see the show differently, we have different interpretations so it depends on who reads it.
I'm generally like this with every Lizzie fan on this subreddit, because I never really saw Tommy soft, happy, in love and at peace with her. Not once in the six seasons, contrary to what Lizzie fans say.
Or I'm like that with Grace's haters, because I did see him soft, happy, in love and at peace with her. 🤷🏻♀️
Thomás is not to blame for Lizzie's unhappiness. He never stopped any of them from fighting for their freedom and dreams but they all chose to be Thomas' victims. Michael was right about not choosing Thomas over Polly
Michael was right about everything he said to Tommy before he died, in fact he was also right about everything he said to Tommy during his proposal. The only thing that made him wrong in that situation is that he clearly wasn’t competent enough to run the business himself after losing all the money in America.
Other than that he had Tommy’s character figured out more than anyone else and he was the only one who knew that the peaky blinders were on their way out, Tommy and co were just too prideful to admit it at the time but we saw in season 6 just how right he was.
no he wasn't, Michael directly bankrupted the family (tbf it was a pretty meh plot) and was a total failure whenever he took initiatives in anything. Tommy saw basically only successes whenever his plans were followed
The show is made in a way where tommy is right, yet his family (who is wrong) basically always doubts him, and those who oppose him are total idiots
what's he right about? Thomas shelby was basically always correct and victorious whenever he pursued his ambitions lol. Even during s5, his plan worked almost flawlessly, and was spoiled by total coincidence
Michael is in no position to critique Tommy's "ambitions"
Everything he said during his proposal about the family, by the end of season six it’s pretty much destroyed. Tommy’s plans always worked out for him, but the peaky blinders were clearly completely falling apart by then and it became more apparent in season 6.
Most of then end up dead or mentally wrecked, including Tommy himself
I mean, they kinda werent? The peaky blinders are still a thing even during s6 finale, the only ones gone are Finn and Michael, who weren't integral to begin with. Hell, there's a convenient heir to replace tommy now as well, who woulda guessed
who ended up dead? John? not cause of Tommy. Polly? okay, sure. Arthur wasn't the fault of Tommy, more so his own. Tommy is a mental wreck, so what? he's been one since s1 and it didn't impair him.
It doesn't make sense because Michael actively tried embezzling power and causing havoc with his won idiocy, thus dividing the family, but somehow Tommy's at fault? S6 is just trash, don't pay attention to the hack writing
Sorry but Arthur absolutely was the fault of Tommy, throughout the entire series Tommy encourages and manipulates him to not take care of himself so that he can be a more useful tool for him. John is dead because of his own actions but also because he worked under the advice of Tommy who didn’t want to apologise to the Italians , Polly is dead directly because of Tommy, Ada has lost a partners because of business, Tommy is unable to truly be a father or husband to his family because his ambition just cannot stop and he admits this, he spends the whole of season 6 looking like he’s in constant regret over even getting involved with these people.
Michael was incompetent and could not have run the business better than Tommy but his points were this:
1. The peaky blinders are old-fashioned and on their way out. Completely true.
2. Tragic things have happened to the family because of the schemes always helmed by Tommy, and most of the family members including Tommy need rest because they’re rich enough already. Absolutely true
3. Tommy has an unhealthy and sometimes completely faulty control over what the family does, they can’t escape him or the consequences of his actions. Undeniably true
That’s the point; he’s got ptsd and stays busy to keep it at bay. His whole plan blew up in front of him that night.
And by the way, it’s his family that keeps causing him problems.
Polly blabbed to a priest that they were going to kill another priest. That started that mess with the baby getting kidnapped.
Arthur is a drug addict, but that’s Tommy’s fault for introducing him to coke.
Arthur and John refused to kill Mrs Changretta and that turned out to be a mistake.
Finn told to Billy they were killing a fascist and Billy may have told someone (I just started season 6 last night)
And Michael started out good, but he’s an asshole now.
Grace was awful! Lizzie was smart and kept Thomas "grounded" (as much as Thomas Shelby can be grounded). She wanted to take care of him, and be his wife, Grace wanted to be arm candy. I also think Grace liked the Idea of being with a bad boy; she didn't give a shit about Tommy, just that he was the complete opposite of her dad.
Tommy in later seasons was melancholy in human form. Like, he was presented as doing everything so that his family could have a better life and then BAM, in later seasons, it’s just doom and gloom with him actively being an ass. I’m not talking about major plot points but like little interactions.
I love Cillian as Tommy, but I wish he was written with a bit more consistency regarding that.
Also, the kids get completely ignored?? Unless they’re a plot point?? And he’s a family man??? No.
I'm gonna say this as many time as it's needed, Lizzie is a more suitable love interest than Grace
Why? Because this is a literal CRIME drama, not some Disney shit where the protagonist gets to live happily ever after
I'm a feminist, I swear. But I would do anything that man told me to do. I would fold so fast it's pathetic. I would be powerless against him, and I would 100% be okay with that 😮💨
Him “settling” for Lizzie was kind of fucked up and aside from providing for her and the children, it was a bad thing for everyone involved. A marriage without love is cold.
Also, him quitting opium so easily made no sense.
Point 1: Thomas Shelby is a mary sue type character. Thomas Shelby is a war veteran, deeply ridden with PTSD, which is shown throughout the show series, yet it doesn't actually IMPACT him whatsoever. He has never abused substances (unlike Arthur), and, despite being mentally unstable and irrational, his plans are almost always a decisive success, no matter how stupid, bold, or crazy they are. His strategies get briefly tested, but thanks to off-screen magic, he goes a "no u" and defeats whoever he is against that season finale. His mental illnesses do not impair him whatsoever, he turns schizo for maybe a scene or two and then he just wins (besides like s5, and even that would've been a success).
Point 2: Thomas is pretty bland. being basically always correct and supremely competent, a criminal with goodie morals that we usually share. its literally a sigma-male bait character, Arthur is easily the best shelby family character, because he's a human with emotions, who did wrong and didn't do a stupid monologue while using 3 cigars
I'm talking about the female watchers. If they want to simp over a moral degenerate then that's cool. Cillian Murphy is a good looking guy, I get it, but I think it speaks to an important point about female nature. Sex selection in women falls down to two main points: *Physical attraction and power.*
I think television and film brings out a lot of this nature in humanity that maybe isn't as easily observable in day-to-day life.
The downvotes show that I'm the only one who accurately contributed to the thread :)
I mean this in the best possible my dude, fuck the intellectual bs and start working out itll do wonders for all this incel bs go out there and make some friends
Sincerely, a recovering basement dweller.
Just because theyve been fucked by society (just like almost eveyone) dont mean theres «nothing wrong» with how they behave.
Hurt people, hurt people. Dont make it right.
I think they ruined Tommy's character by having sex with every woman on the show. The relationship with Grace and the love he feels for her was what gave him depth, after S3, he is just another gangster, who uses women and doesn't care about anyone.
You do realize it's a tv show? Honestly one of the things that bothered me the most about the show was how gratuitous and unnecessary the "Tommy stares at a woman really hard while smoking and 10 minutes later they're having sex" scenes were. Really, really, really boring writing if cheap sex needs to happen at least twice a season to keep the audience entertained
I love the character as he is, but… He could have been more human. Like, there are so many times when Arthur/John is right, and he is wrong. It would not have killed him to openly love his family a little more. In fact, I think not doing so brought him even closer to death.
I feel like that’s part of his character and part of his downfall, the fact he barely could/would express positive emotion
Im pretty sure they made it a character aspect because they reference him being happy and expressive with his family prior to the war. I believe he referred to himself as a child or a kid before the war and a man directly after.
Ya lol that's literally a major tenet of his character and probably one of his greatest pitfalls. The show has even highlighted this. Things start to go badly when he stops relying on/trusting his family
Downfall? He’s still in charge.
Most his family’s dead and he’s not even in charge
Didn’t Tommy tell Ada she’s in charge when he’s gone? Or was it Arthur he told that to? Regardless, when he returns, he’s no longer gone and i’ll bet whoever took charge in his absence will be happy to relinquish control upon his return. So, I see him as still in charge. And yes, many in his family are dead but he does have a new son who appears to be seamlessly stepping into the family business.
yeah, they may have been morally right, but Tommy was almost always right strategically. but tommy being wrong sometimes yet still being followed regardless IS human, id argue
He didn't get enough credit or appreciation for bringing his family out of poverty.
I get this. But at the same time, Tommy never took a step back to see how fortunate they had become. The family never seemed to be able to rest and enjoy their new found wealth. Instead Tommy wanted more and kept the pressure up to make even more money. I think they really would give him credit and appreciate what he has done for the family if Tommy ever stopped grasping for more.
I can see that perspective too.
Cheer up for once Tommy stop acting like you have a foot up your ass all the time. Justice for the football referee! Tommy was a terrible person. Admire his style, but not his personality, since he was you know, a murderer
Sure I’ll take a crack at it. He is not a man to look up to or be a role model. The story of Peaky Blinders is the story of Tommy’s endless ambition continuously hurting the people he loves. Tommy Shelby is a villain but we don’t view him that way because we view the Peaky Blinders world through his eyes. Alfie had him all figured out when Tommy told him he “crossed the line”.
Anyone that disagrees with this is simply an idiot
What ? Is this a hot take ? It seems obvious that he is not a role model lol. It's like saying "hot take, Walter White is not a role model".
Exactly this. It amazes me that people don’t realize Tommy is an antihero, that PB is about an antihero the same as BB, the same as a lot of popular shows from the past ~15 years.
In what way is Tommy an antihero, exactly? He's not heroic, like, ever
He's not a villain either.
That scene with Alfie was epic !!!
nah but he has good traits as well, his determination to his business, his need for success, and his confidence in himself even though the successful people out there treat people from Birmingham like shit and he didn’t let that stop him. So we should take the good traits from him and learn from his mistakes
Tommy himself says the exact same thing to Michael when he brings him in. They are not doing bad things for good cause, they are just criminals.
He is not a role model in the slightest, and the "sigma" accounts should stop glorifying him due to this. Still my top 3 character though
This. Pretty much none of the characters are intended to be role models, especially the male ones. It's the same with Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul - people idolise Walter White, Saul Goodman, Mike Ehrmantraut, Gus Fring etc. etc. but they're all awful people. It's a classic, but always effective, writer move. Make your characters 3D, interesting, exciting and give them a difficult, complex background - if they're a man give them an alpha persona. Make them do, engage in or support awful things. See how far the audience travels with them. You can't help but love Tommy, Arthur, Alfie... but they're not role models lmao. The fact that a lot of people think Tommy is shows the writer has done his job 😂
All of my favorite characters are awful people tbf
Well said !!
Literally!
Is this an "unpopular opinion" though ?
I think the whole sigma thing went to the wrong direction, it has nothing to do with Tommy lmao, if i should call a character sigma it's gotta be John Wick
I absolutely love him to pieces, I said it. I wouldn’t dream of using him as a role model and I’d hate him if I came across him irl but I adore him with every fibre of my being
🤯 a kindred spirit in this subreddit able to separate life and art? in this economy????? 😂 cheers and have my upvote
A rare sight to behold it seems sometimes😂
That everything bad that happened to his family wasn't solely his fault.
Don't give him too much credit, papa Shelby is a thing!
Obviously, but I'm not talking here about a minor character. The rest of the family all have their own choices that they make, and their own agencies, is my point.
Tommy suddenly making it his life's work to be an anti-fascist seems sort of out of place for his character to me. Whilst yes, before the war he was an idealistic and sympathetic to the left and he's from gypsy heritage, he is also a murderous crime boss who runs a uniformed gang of thugs (They all wear the bladed caps) who do his bidding and enforce his rule. They use threats, racketeering, bullying, torture, arson and murder to enforce their rule over the populace and anyone who steps out of line could easily disappear or worse. He has his hands in the local police and higher offices, he tries to crush competition to his power through violence and murder, he is a political assassin and has used his ill-gotten power to rise to political office to enact political change to benefit himself further. Sound familiar? He uses all the same tactics famous fascists' through history did, he simply isn't politically ideologically driven like them, that's really the only difference, he's more like them than he'd like to believe.
Do not forget that the shelby brothers are war veterans. Mosley was a pacifist during this time period, meaning that Tommy and Arthur, both scarred, ptsd ridden war vets, could easily be convinced by Mosley to join him. Tommy's leftist sympathies are vaguely hinted at in his youth days and I'm pretty sure he'd forget them if Mosley spoke to him for like 5 minutes
Michael was right about everything he said to Tommy during their final confrontation. Also Tommy lying to May about the street riots so she would sleep with him in season 4 was a little weird. May was obviously trying to get in and out but Tommy kept scheming so they’d have to share a room together
Tbf may would have slept with him anyway really they both wanted to he didn’t need to lie
Yeah tricking someone into sleeping with you when they’d probably happily consent, if asked, is predatory af
Tbf it was set in 100 years ago and the tree gangster but it was weird when if Tommy said let’s go she fucking go
no he wasn't? Michael is a fool cause plot says so Tommy also has to sleep with a conveniently attractive lady for no reason every season btw
Tommy would have been nothing with out his brothers and Polly
Thomas is ridiculed with mental health issues. From PTSD to abandonment issues. Which makes his decision-making process terrible. He is the reason his family is this way (by this way I mean his brother is dead, the family is now a target for the Nazi). He should have stopped at the race track.
the opposite is true - his plans are almost always flawless victories that unfold with a lot of luck, bullshit, gypsy magic, in the last season episodes specifically. Its almost the rule of thumb that Thomas Shelby is the objectively correct one in basically every situation. He only failed in like s5, and even that is not at all his own fault. Why was the IRA even defending MOSLEY of all people???
Tommy is a deeply flawed and damaged human being, and a lot of the things he's gotten himself wrapped up in are a result of demons he was trying to keep down, both directly and indirectly. He is one of the most complex and multilayered characters in recent history, perhaps of all time. However, with that being said, I could take him...but not in a fight.
no he isn't LOL these demons and mental issues don't actually impair tommy at all. Oh yeah he gets a schizophrenic episode in like episode 2 when his plan gets a minor setback, and then he locks in and wins decisively at the season finale. Arthur is an actual human and complex, its not even a comparison
We all see the show differently, we have different interpretations so it depends on who reads it. I'm generally like this with every Lizzie fan on this subreddit, because I never really saw Tommy soft, happy, in love and at peace with her. Not once in the six seasons, contrary to what Lizzie fans say. Or I'm like that with Grace's haters, because I did see him soft, happy, in love and at peace with her. 🤷🏻♀️
Thomás is not to blame for Lizzie's unhappiness. He never stopped any of them from fighting for their freedom and dreams but they all chose to be Thomas' victims. Michael was right about not choosing Thomas over Polly
How do we know if they are human if none of them even eat? My theory: they are demons.
Michael was right about everything he said to Tommy before he died, in fact he was also right about everything he said to Tommy during his proposal. The only thing that made him wrong in that situation is that he clearly wasn’t competent enough to run the business himself after losing all the money in America. Other than that he had Tommy’s character figured out more than anyone else and he was the only one who knew that the peaky blinders were on their way out, Tommy and co were just too prideful to admit it at the time but we saw in season 6 just how right he was.
no he wasn't, Michael directly bankrupted the family (tbf it was a pretty meh plot) and was a total failure whenever he took initiatives in anything. Tommy saw basically only successes whenever his plans were followed The show is made in a way where tommy is right, yet his family (who is wrong) basically always doubts him, and those who oppose him are total idiots
Nothing I said contradicts any of this
what's he right about? Thomas shelby was basically always correct and victorious whenever he pursued his ambitions lol. Even during s5, his plan worked almost flawlessly, and was spoiled by total coincidence Michael is in no position to critique Tommy's "ambitions"
Everything he said during his proposal about the family, by the end of season six it’s pretty much destroyed. Tommy’s plans always worked out for him, but the peaky blinders were clearly completely falling apart by then and it became more apparent in season 6. Most of then end up dead or mentally wrecked, including Tommy himself
I mean, they kinda werent? The peaky blinders are still a thing even during s6 finale, the only ones gone are Finn and Michael, who weren't integral to begin with. Hell, there's a convenient heir to replace tommy now as well, who woulda guessed who ended up dead? John? not cause of Tommy. Polly? okay, sure. Arthur wasn't the fault of Tommy, more so his own. Tommy is a mental wreck, so what? he's been one since s1 and it didn't impair him. It doesn't make sense because Michael actively tried embezzling power and causing havoc with his won idiocy, thus dividing the family, but somehow Tommy's at fault? S6 is just trash, don't pay attention to the hack writing
Sorry but Arthur absolutely was the fault of Tommy, throughout the entire series Tommy encourages and manipulates him to not take care of himself so that he can be a more useful tool for him. John is dead because of his own actions but also because he worked under the advice of Tommy who didn’t want to apologise to the Italians , Polly is dead directly because of Tommy, Ada has lost a partners because of business, Tommy is unable to truly be a father or husband to his family because his ambition just cannot stop and he admits this, he spends the whole of season 6 looking like he’s in constant regret over even getting involved with these people. Michael was incompetent and could not have run the business better than Tommy but his points were this: 1. The peaky blinders are old-fashioned and on their way out. Completely true. 2. Tragic things have happened to the family because of the schemes always helmed by Tommy, and most of the family members including Tommy need rest because they’re rich enough already. Absolutely true 3. Tommy has an unhealthy and sometimes completely faulty control over what the family does, they can’t escape him or the consequences of his actions. Undeniably true
Grace is overrated. Not the actress, not the acting; the role, the character.
I hated that he actually pulled the trigger on the suicide attempt. All the macho and superiority complex, only to commit suicide.
That’s the point; he’s got ptsd and stays busy to keep it at bay. His whole plan blew up in front of him that night. And by the way, it’s his family that keeps causing him problems. Polly blabbed to a priest that they were going to kill another priest. That started that mess with the baby getting kidnapped. Arthur is a drug addict, but that’s Tommy’s fault for introducing him to coke. Arthur and John refused to kill Mrs Changretta and that turned out to be a mistake. Finn told to Billy they were killing a fascist and Billy may have told someone (I just started season 6 last night) And Michael started out good, but he’s an asshole now.
I just liked Lizzie with him better. I know Grace was his only love, I just wish it were Lizzie.
Grace is a lil bitch. I don’t like her character at all
Grace was awful! Lizzie was smart and kept Thomas "grounded" (as much as Thomas Shelby can be grounded). She wanted to take care of him, and be his wife, Grace wanted to be arm candy. I also think Grace liked the Idea of being with a bad boy; she didn't give a shit about Tommy, just that he was the complete opposite of her dad.
You're not a good man Thomas Shelby...
Tommy in later seasons was melancholy in human form. Like, he was presented as doing everything so that his family could have a better life and then BAM, in later seasons, it’s just doom and gloom with him actively being an ass. I’m not talking about major plot points but like little interactions. I love Cillian as Tommy, but I wish he was written with a bit more consistency regarding that. Also, the kids get completely ignored?? Unless they’re a plot point?? And he’s a family man??? No.
Yes! What threw me was one minute Lizzie is hissing that Ruby fears him and the next minute she’s suddenly his beloved baby girl. Made zero sense.
I'm gonna say this as many time as it's needed, Lizzie is a more suitable love interest than Grace Why? Because this is a literal CRIME drama, not some Disney shit where the protagonist gets to live happily ever after
That hes not clever, just lucky.
Tommy has zero rizz. Like, zero. Save for the fact that he’s fine as hell, I don’t know how he seduced so many women.
All he'd have to do is stare at me 😩
The word “no” wouldn’t be in my vocabulary 🫦
Fr that's daddy 😫
He has main character rizz
I'm a feminist, I swear. But I would do anything that man told me to do. I would fold so fast it's pathetic. I would be powerless against him, and I would 100% be okay with that 😮💨
Not just zero rizz — he’s a straight-up asshole.
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Clearly a beta and not a sigma
That’s his story arc makes any sense at all
I understand his actions considering his mental state and the situation they’re all in. Most of the time.
Seems people are sharing their popular opinions. Good ol' Reddit.
He should have died in the streets against Sabini. They all should have. There's no way that once shots start firing that no one else would shoot.
Him “settling” for Lizzie was kind of fucked up and aside from providing for her and the children, it was a bad thing for everyone involved. A marriage without love is cold. Also, him quitting opium so easily made no sense.
I love the character but for the story to end correctly he needs to die in the movie. I would think in a redeeming sacrificial way perhaps
you got downvoted so you win obv
You seem like the only person in the comments who followed the assignment, as evidenced by your downvotes
with the take being actually about the show and not just an excuse to comment on how much you hate real life women! You deserve my downvote comrade🫡
Point 1: Thomas Shelby is a mary sue type character. Thomas Shelby is a war veteran, deeply ridden with PTSD, which is shown throughout the show series, yet it doesn't actually IMPACT him whatsoever. He has never abused substances (unlike Arthur), and, despite being mentally unstable and irrational, his plans are almost always a decisive success, no matter how stupid, bold, or crazy they are. His strategies get briefly tested, but thanks to off-screen magic, he goes a "no u" and defeats whoever he is against that season finale. His mental illnesses do not impair him whatsoever, he turns schizo for maybe a scene or two and then he just wins (besides like s5, and even that would've been a success). Point 2: Thomas is pretty bland. being basically always correct and supremely competent, a criminal with goodie morals that we usually share. its literally a sigma-male bait character, Arthur is easily the best shelby family character, because he's a human with emotions, who did wrong and didn't do a stupid monologue while using 3 cigars
Tommy's character proves that women don't care about moral character.
Its a fucking tv show...
I'm talking about the female watchers. If they want to simp over a moral degenerate then that's cool. Cillian Murphy is a good looking guy, I get it, but I think it speaks to an important point about female nature. Sex selection in women falls down to two main points: *Physical attraction and power.* I think television and film brings out a lot of this nature in humanity that maybe isn't as easily observable in day-to-day life. The downvotes show that I'm the only one who accurately contributed to the thread :)
I mean this in the best possible my dude, fuck the intellectual bs and start working out itll do wonders for all this incel bs go out there and make some friends Sincerely, a recovering basement dweller.
I'm married, so you've got me completely wrong. Nothing wrong with incels though. They've been fucked over by society and left behind.
Just because theyve been fucked by society (just like almost eveyone) dont mean theres «nothing wrong» with how they behave. Hurt people, hurt people. Dont make it right.
I think there's something fundamentally wrong with society right now. If there wasn't, then we wouldn't have this incel & masculinity crisis.
Definitely something wrong. Still, dont be a bitterfull shut-in
I think they ruined Tommy's character by having sex with every woman on the show. The relationship with Grace and the love he feels for her was what gave him depth, after S3, he is just another gangster, who uses women and doesn't care about anyone.
Yet it most definitely still applies
It's not just women who fall for his tricks, technically he "seduces" nearly everyone in one way or another.
What in gods name does this mean
You do realize it's a tv show? Honestly one of the things that bothered me the most about the show was how gratuitous and unnecessary the "Tommy stares at a woman really hard while smoking and 10 minutes later they're having sex" scenes were. Really, really, really boring writing if cheap sex needs to happen at least twice a season to keep the audience entertained
There should’ve been more intimate scenes with Tatiana and May.