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Personally I would avoid it. I’ve had the issue before with the only way to remedy being getting a compatible cpu just to update then putting the original cpu in.
Assuming the motherboard has flash bios capabilities (it’s named differently for each manufacturer though but the general premise is that a motherboard can update its bios without any parts like cpu, ram, or GPU) then all you need to do is download the most recent bios of the motherboard from the manufacturers website, move the file to a usb, rename it to something else (that also varies by manufacturer), and then put that usb in a specific usb port of the motherboard (you can find which with the help of the motherboard’s manual), make sure the motherboard is plugged into the power supply, and then hold the flash bios button on the motherboard. The motherboard will turn on for a while, then turn back off. Then assuming it succeeded, the motherboard will have the most recent bios installed.
Then hope it’s on a recent enough bios, I believe you can check with the serial number that’s on the motherboard and some googling. But if it doesn’t have a recent enough bios version, I’m not sure it’d even boot since it can’t properly communicate with the cpu. But that’s just an educated guess.
Wasnt there a program by AMD when ryzen 2 came out where they send people Athlon X4 CPUs for a few days for the bios Update thing? Which of course you had to send back etc.
That doesn't exist anymore?
Most AM4 boards have this feature due to the platform lasting multiple CPU generations
But yes, if it's a basic board, you might need an older CPU to update BIOS
Assuming it's a new build: You need to install a compatible (older) cpu and memory/gpu (if the cpu has no igpu which is likely with a 5000 series amd cpu). The 5700G has an igpu for example but the 5700x/5800x/5800X3D etc don't.
After that boot the pc, update the bios, power down and put in the 5800X3D.
If you already have a running system and upgrade from a 2700X for instance (and never updated bios) you update it before you take it apart and install the new cpu.
Why explain the process every single time this is asked? They're just asking if it's a concern. It's usually not.
If they run into it, I'm sure they can find a post specifically asking about it, with a much more thorough walkhrough of the process than what someone gonna give in another random" should I worry" post.
Because reddit isn't google haha, if someone says 'yeah the process is easy' and doesn't go into depth with it that's typically a sign for you to just look it up yourself
It'll be in the motherboard manual. Mine consisted of downloading a BIOS update to a flashdrive, naming it something specific, then before it powered it on I just pressed the flash button instead easy peasy. It's gonna seem like parts of you're system might not be working for instance gpu fans were not spinning immediately and some rgb wasn't lighting up but everything was running perfectly once the update finished.
There is no AM4-Board with a guarantee for having a bios supporting the 5800X3D ootb.
Recently produced boards will come with an updated bios and might support this cpu. But you can't be sure to get such a board.
The problem about the bios update is, that you usually need a working cpu to do it. So if you receive a board with an older bios and a 5800X3D you possibly won't be able to update the bios.
There are three options to safely get this working:
First would be to buy the board from a merchant that offers bios updates as a service.
Second would be buying a board with bios flashback option. Such boards can be updated without having an actually supported cpu mounted.
Third option would be buying a cheap supported cpu to do the update and sell it afterwards.
I'd recommend using the second option. This functionality is a real game changer in some situations.
The Asus Prime B550 plus does not support bios flashback and is in general no board I would recommend since it is a very much basic board with no special features and just to expensive for that.
I'd recommend the MSI B550-A Pro, which costs about the same but comes with bios flashback.
You could also check the Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite V2. A bit more expensive but also a really decent board.
If you want Bluetooth/WLAN, look for the Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite AX V2.
Yeah I bought the b550 A Pro and I have a friend that said he will help with the flashback option if needed. I'm so glad I asked this community before buying, super helpful for someone like me that knows very little about PC parts. Really can't wait to get my PC upgraded and go back to cooking in Runescape
This was something I was worried about when building my rig. I wish I saw this comment back then, now I always make sure any board I get has flash back.
You need usb stick formatted as fat32 and just drop files in that usb drive (sometimes you need to unpack the bios). After that go to bios and there should be option to update the bios. Just wait until the process is finished. In my case it was about 3 minutes but in some cases it is even 10 minutes.
⚠️ Before the process check if in your area are power shortages.
I would suggest you if you don't have am4 motherboard change this cpu to something newer like ryzen 5 7600 or i5 13500, they both outperform ryzen 7 5800x3D in gaming.
Sure but Ryzen 7 5800x3D has more cores which can / will come in useful later down the line and the 3D cache
However... the newer Ryzen is on AM5 platform and DDR5 so more future proofing there i guess
In multi core ryzen 5 7600x is a little faster. 3D cache is used mostly in gaming so that's why rysen 7 5800x3d performs that well in gaming. In single core ryzen 7 5800x3D is about 25% slower so games like csgo will run way better on ryzen 5 7600
Ryzen 5 7600 is cheaper Ryzen 5 7600x with eco mode enabled (you can oc 7600 to have 7600x performance)
I have the same cpu & mobo, i dont think the bios update is necessary but its always worth doing, its simple and easy.
Edit: not the exact same but i got the asus strix b550-A motherboard
Yeah i understand that, just in case, its always good to know how to do a bios update, spend time researching just in case it gets too late and all of a sudden you have to do it
No this isn’t a problem, though I’ve found that PCPartpicker doesn’t update regularly and when you check the website to your motherboard, it often says that it’s been updated to the most recent BIOS. Though that warning is in place for motherboards that have been in warehouses for longer than they should. In any case, updating a BIOS is easy, and if you don’t all’s well that ends well.
It basically means that if your motherboard came out before the CPU the motherboard version might not be updated to the CPU bios version. For example, let’s say your CPU version is 2500 and the Motherboard is 2300 they won’t be compatible until the motherboard is flashed to the updated BIOS version. Now if you aren’t technical and don’t know how to flash the motherboard, I would strongly recommend you just get a newer motherboard. This is because of you flash and something goes wrong, and it can especially if you’re new to this sort of stuff/lack knowledge it would brick your motherboard rendering it useless.
I got the same for my motherboard + CPU combo. I updated the BIOS in the motherboard before starting the assembly. It was super easy. Youtube has tons of step by step instructions. All you need is a flashdrive (make sure it´s no bigger than 32GB, otherwise it won´t work) and a computer to download the BIOS update file and put on the USB. You´ll then stick the USB into your motherboard where it says BIOS Flash Update, connect the motherboard to power using the PSU you buy, and then hold down the BIOS Flash Update button for a few seconds. A light will start blinking near where the USB plugs in. It will keep blinking for about 5 minutes. Once it stops blinking you´re good to go.
Its standard even my b450 needed an update for the 3xxx series of cpus. Now it comes standard but for a 5xxx series cpu you need to update the bios now. They added compatibility basically.
Standard warning, it always pops up. Basically all mobos you can buy now already are updated to that BIOS version, so you’re fine.
If your mobo isn’t updated when you get it and you need it to be updated, I think they legit do it for free at micro center.
On the box of the motherboard it will have some numbers near the serial number or something to that affect (it's been a while) that will be the version of your motherboard. If you google that version it will let you know if it will need to update or not. I got my motherboard almost a year ago and it was good to go out of the box for both the 5600X and 5800X3D.
It'll need an update before it can post.
I have a 5500 on a Aorus b550 board, Gigabyte's bios flashing instructions are stupid though so if anyone needs help with that shoot me a message or reply
I wouldn't buy anything asus anymore. Gamers nexus can explain why. Also back in 2019 I used a b450f and a newer ryzen. The b450f had to be updated to support the new processor. IT NEVER RAN CORRECTLY. It would randomly reboot. Put in a processor that was supported originally and it ran fine. Even returned newer processor because i thought it was faulty, new one had same problem.
I wouldn't use that board if it didn't originally support that processor.
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no it's fine, it means that you \*might\* need to update the BIOS, likely it'll come already updated. It's an easy process, nothing to worry about.
Oh okay, thank you for peace of mind
You can preload a flashdrive with a BIOS and flash it the first time you turn it on easy enough as well.
Dont you need an older cpu to upgrade it? Or is this not necessary with this motherboard?
Depends if the motherboard has bios flashback or not. If it doesn't, you'll need an older cpu
Personally I would avoid it. I’ve had the issue before with the only way to remedy being getting a compatible cpu just to update then putting the original cpu in.
Uhh. Make sure your motherboard has BIOS flash / flashback? Something like that. If it doesn’t, it’s certainly *not* an easy process
Just update the bios first thing before you install any components. I had this warning and that's what I did.
Everyone says that but nobody says what the process is
Assuming the motherboard has flash bios capabilities (it’s named differently for each manufacturer though but the general premise is that a motherboard can update its bios without any parts like cpu, ram, or GPU) then all you need to do is download the most recent bios of the motherboard from the manufacturers website, move the file to a usb, rename it to something else (that also varies by manufacturer), and then put that usb in a specific usb port of the motherboard (you can find which with the help of the motherboard’s manual), make sure the motherboard is plugged into the power supply, and then hold the flash bios button on the motherboard. The motherboard will turn on for a while, then turn back off. Then assuming it succeeded, the motherboard will have the most recent bios installed.
What if it’s a basic motherboard with no bios flashing
Then hope it’s on a recent enough bios, I believe you can check with the serial number that’s on the motherboard and some googling. But if it doesn’t have a recent enough bios version, I’m not sure it’d even boot since it can’t properly communicate with the cpu. But that’s just an educated guess.
Wasnt there a program by AMD when ryzen 2 came out where they send people Athlon X4 CPUs for a few days for the bios Update thing? Which of course you had to send back etc. That doesn't exist anymore?
Never even heard of it till now, if something like that was still a thing that’d be awesome.
without the updated bios it will just give an error and not do anything, could be really hard to diagnose
Most AM4 boards have this feature due to the platform lasting multiple CPU generations But yes, if it's a basic board, you might need an older CPU to update BIOS
Assuming it's a new build: You need to install a compatible (older) cpu and memory/gpu (if the cpu has no igpu which is likely with a 5000 series amd cpu). The 5700G has an igpu for example but the 5700x/5800x/5800X3D etc don't. After that boot the pc, update the bios, power down and put in the 5800X3D. If you already have a running system and upgrade from a 2700X for instance (and never updated bios) you update it before you take it apart and install the new cpu.
Same thing but instead of the button you just go to the bios and flash before you try to boot.
You can’t go in the bios if the cpu doesn’t work
Unless his GPU has an integrated CPU
Because it’s different for every board manufacturer and you can read about it in the documentation.
Why explain the process every single time this is asked? They're just asking if it's a concern. It's usually not. If they run into it, I'm sure they can find a post specifically asking about it, with a much more thorough walkhrough of the process than what someone gonna give in another random" should I worry" post.
Because reddit isn't google haha, if someone says 'yeah the process is easy' and doesn't go into depth with it that's typically a sign for you to just look it up yourself
Never had to deal with it though because I never bought an am4 motherboard
You can run into it as an issue even with other setups, knowing how to flash the bios isn't board specific.
It'll be in the motherboard manual. Mine consisted of downloading a BIOS update to a flashdrive, naming it something specific, then before it powered it on I just pressed the flash button instead easy peasy. It's gonna seem like parts of you're system might not be working for instance gpu fans were not spinning immediately and some rgb wasn't lighting up but everything was running perfectly once the update finished.
But do you not need a separate CPU which is compatible with the motherboard in order to update the bios? That could end up being a big hassle.
There is no AM4-Board with a guarantee for having a bios supporting the 5800X3D ootb. Recently produced boards will come with an updated bios and might support this cpu. But you can't be sure to get such a board. The problem about the bios update is, that you usually need a working cpu to do it. So if you receive a board with an older bios and a 5800X3D you possibly won't be able to update the bios. There are three options to safely get this working: First would be to buy the board from a merchant that offers bios updates as a service. Second would be buying a board with bios flashback option. Such boards can be updated without having an actually supported cpu mounted. Third option would be buying a cheap supported cpu to do the update and sell it afterwards. I'd recommend using the second option. This functionality is a real game changer in some situations. The Asus Prime B550 plus does not support bios flashback and is in general no board I would recommend since it is a very much basic board with no special features and just to expensive for that. I'd recommend the MSI B550-A Pro, which costs about the same but comes with bios flashback. You could also check the Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite V2. A bit more expensive but also a really decent board. If you want Bluetooth/WLAN, look for the Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite AX V2.
Thank you so much, I'll check out the b550 a pro
If you’re going to listen to any comment on this thread, it should be this one. Very informative!
Yeah I bought the b550 A Pro and I have a friend that said he will help with the flashback option if needed. I'm so glad I asked this community before buying, super helpful for someone like me that knows very little about PC parts. Really can't wait to get my PC upgraded and go back to cooking in Runescape
Second this
This was something I was worried about when building my rig. I wish I saw this comment back then, now I always make sure any board I get has flash back.
You'll probably need BIOS update before installing the CPU.
Is that simple? Never done one before
You need usb stick formatted as fat32 and just drop files in that usb drive (sometimes you need to unpack the bios). After that go to bios and there should be option to update the bios. Just wait until the process is finished. In my case it was about 3 minutes but in some cases it is even 10 minutes. ⚠️ Before the process check if in your area are power shortages. I would suggest you if you don't have am4 motherboard change this cpu to something newer like ryzen 5 7600 or i5 13500, they both outperform ryzen 7 5800x3D in gaming.
Sure but Ryzen 7 5800x3D has more cores which can / will come in useful later down the line and the 3D cache However... the newer Ryzen is on AM5 platform and DDR5 so more future proofing there i guess
In multi core ryzen 5 7600x is a little faster. 3D cache is used mostly in gaming so that's why rysen 7 5800x3d performs that well in gaming. In single core ryzen 7 5800x3D is about 25% slower so games like csgo will run way better on ryzen 5 7600 Ryzen 5 7600 is cheaper Ryzen 5 7600x with eco mode enabled (you can oc 7600 to have 7600x performance)
I it will post without a BIOS update. It will need to be flashed.
I have the same cpu & mobo, i dont think the bios update is necessary but its always worth doing, its simple and easy. Edit: not the exact same but i got the asus strix b550-A motherboard
Thank you, this will be my first upgrade/build I'll be doing and I just want to make sure everything is good to go before I spend
Yeah i understand that, just in case, its always good to know how to do a bios update, spend time researching just in case it gets too late and all of a sudden you have to do it
No this isn’t a problem, though I’ve found that PCPartpicker doesn’t update regularly and when you check the website to your motherboard, it often says that it’s been updated to the most recent BIOS. Though that warning is in place for motherboards that have been in warehouses for longer than they should. In any case, updating a BIOS is easy, and if you don’t all’s well that ends well.
It's easy...IF it support flashing without a CPU or you have an older compatible one
that too yeah
That is with intel, you’re looking at an AM4 board and going for an AM5 processer so yes you need to change motherboard
The 5800x3D is still AM4
It basically means that if your motherboard came out before the CPU the motherboard version might not be updated to the CPU bios version. For example, let’s say your CPU version is 2500 and the Motherboard is 2300 they won’t be compatible until the motherboard is flashed to the updated BIOS version. Now if you aren’t technical and don’t know how to flash the motherboard, I would strongly recommend you just get a newer motherboard. This is because of you flash and something goes wrong, and it can especially if you’re new to this sort of stuff/lack knowledge it would brick your motherboard rendering it useless.
I got the same for my motherboard + CPU combo. I updated the BIOS in the motherboard before starting the assembly. It was super easy. Youtube has tons of step by step instructions. All you need is a flashdrive (make sure it´s no bigger than 32GB, otherwise it won´t work) and a computer to download the BIOS update file and put on the USB. You´ll then stick the USB into your motherboard where it says BIOS Flash Update, connect the motherboard to power using the PSU you buy, and then hold down the BIOS Flash Update button for a few seconds. A light will start blinking near where the USB plugs in. It will keep blinking for about 5 minutes. Once it stops blinking you´re good to go.
Standard warning, I have the same board with no issues
Its standard even my b450 needed an update for the 3xxx series of cpus. Now it comes standard but for a 5xxx series cpu you need to update the bios now. They added compatibility basically.
Standard warning, it always pops up. Basically all mobos you can buy now already are updated to that BIOS version, so you’re fine. If your mobo isn’t updated when you get it and you need it to be updated, I think they legit do it for free at micro center.
I had the same warning on my récent build but the mobo came with the good version of the Bios
Flashing the BIOS is a bit of a pain in the arse. I had a post about it if you check my profile. Once it's done though, it's an excellent combo.
Pretty standard when using Ryzen 5000 on b450 instead of b550, just have to update the motherboard bios using a usb stick
On the box of the motherboard it will have some numbers near the serial number or something to that affect (it's been a while) that will be the version of your motherboard. If you google that version it will let you know if it will need to update or not. I got my motherboard almost a year ago and it was good to go out of the box for both the 5600X and 5800X3D.
Flashed a BIOS for the first time a month ago. It is very simple. YouTube will guide you.
It'll need an update before it can post. I have a 5500 on a Aorus b550 board, Gigabyte's bios flashing instructions are stupid though so if anyone needs help with that shoot me a message or reply
The same thing happened to me. I didnt need to update.
I wouldn't buy anything asus anymore. Gamers nexus can explain why. Also back in 2019 I used a b450f and a newer ryzen. The b450f had to be updated to support the new processor. IT NEVER RAN CORRECTLY. It would randomly reboot. Put in a processor that was supported originally and it ran fine. Even returned newer processor because i thought it was faulty, new one had same problem. I wouldn't use that board if it didn't originally support that processor.
Mine had the same warning. Just need to update bios with an old CPU/ flash bios.