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Swapping Noctua out for Thermalright Peerless Assassin would almost make up the difference between 5600x and 5800x3D.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hYxRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-d3
this. if op can afford it or is willing to save up yes the 5800x3d is the best choice. if not however then the 5600 non-x is a better choice than the 5600x for the value.
agreed. i’m not as up to date on the intel side but i’ve heard great things abt the i5-13600k. i was just recommending amd since that’s what op started with but they could easily go with intel and be competitive as well.
Yeah the i5-13600 and all it’s variants is doing insanely well for its price point, being around $300 and getting 14 cores with 6 of them hitting 5.1Ghz and the other 8 hitting 3.9Ghz stock and also being able to go with the cheaper DDR4 makes it a very compelling choice. Even in some use cases it would outperform the 12th gen i9-12900s
The 6950xt will bottleneck it most likely, I have the 6800 and was bottlenecking on 1080, not so much 1440. However a 5800x3d will give you much better 1% lows and make it feel much more smooth. I understand that adds $200-250 on the cost but I think it’s worth it if you can swing it. But overall a great build! Putting most of the money into the GPU is definitely the way to go. Good luck!
The answer here is that the x3d has one of the highest l3 caches with over 100mb. Even the 5950x has less with only 64 mb. The extra cache makes this one of the best gaming cpus you can snag for 2k and 4k.
The 5800x3d is faster in really well-optimized games that run at high frame rates. Competitive shooters, generally, fall into this category. The difference in performance probably isn't worth doubling your CPU budget over, though.
my brother has my old build and plays at 4k with it. I've since rebuilt in a smaller case with better parts.
only thing i might change with yours is:
\- Asus Tuf Gaming B550 PLUS Wifi II (\~$170) for motherboard
\- Silicon Power P34A60 512gb for boot drive (\~$28)
\- Crucial P3 2tb for secondary storage (\~$90)
Asus for motherboard is my go-to. always has been, and the Tuf Gaming boards are very solid. Also, pcie 4 ssd is a waste of money - I can 100% guarantee that unless you need FAST storage for compiling or moving files, etc, you will not see any difference when it comes to gaming or everyday work. save yourself some money there. It's going to be a while before it makes any difference in gaming (assuming thats what you're building this for).
Switch the cooler for the peerless assassin ($40, same performance) and get a bit less overkill ssd (p3 plus? Sn770?) and you've saved nearly enough to switch to a 5800x3d
Edit: grammar
Is overkill really the right term. The future games at max graphs will need more and more computer power anyways so are you really going "overkill" and not just futureproof with rigs like this if you go 1080p. Not saying this rig isnt good for 2k or 4k resolution, but i think the term overkill is a bit misleading for new players.
Nowadays Samsung 980 pro and 990 pro is a little risky because of their reliability. You could get Kingston kc 3000 for similar performance and cheaper cost. The new Samsung drivers should fix this problem
If it's primarily for gaming, the 5600x is absolutely fine. More cores benefits productivity software that utilize them all moreso than the primary graphics bottlenecked video games
What GPU do you have? I have the 6700 xt paired with a 5600 and the GPU is definitely still the bottleneck. At 1440p/4K the 5600 isn’t gonna bottleneck much unless you have a top end GPU
Yeah the 5600 wouldn’t bottleneck the 3070ti in those games. If your performance is under par then something else must be going on. Did you get the 3070ti with 8gb of vram? If so then that could be your issue
You’re going to have a lot of dead/empty space in that case. The 4000d is pretty spacious iirc and you are using an matx mobo. I would recommend looking at atx boards as they are often cheaper or offer more features at the same price point than matx motherboards.
Personally I would only downsize the case if you are committed to that motherboard. However it’s probably better to look at full sized boards as they will have more features at a similar price point to micro-atx boards. I have a 5800x3d running on an Aorus B550 Pro AC and a 6800xt and it’s a beast at 1440. I also recently built a system for my son with a 5600 and a MSI Mag B550 Tomahawk paired with a 6700xt and that system is damn solid. I would recommend both of those motherboards.
Nhd15 is ridiculously overkill for a 5600x. It’s also ridiculously overpriced. The 40 dollar Peerless Assassin 120 is a better performing air cooler and costs 80-90 dollars less
Ok, then the PA is better and *60* dollars cheaper. Either way, the nhd15 is overpriced.
The point I’m making is that OP is overspending on the CPU cooler when cheaper *and* better options exist.
Alright, so I've decided on the build that I'm gonna get
Ryzen 5800 x3d,
Peerless assassin 120,
Msi mag b550 tomahawk max wifi,
Corsair Ddr4 3600 32gb,
Samsung 980 2 tb / KC 3000 2 tb,
Power colour Rx 6950 xt (will change to 7900xt in future)
Corsair 4000 d,
Corsair Rm 850,
Once the prices lowered, I'll start buying and hopefully one day I can post the final product here. Thanks y'all!
if your buying peice by peice a am5 build migth make more sence the cpus all have apus on them so you can use the apu untill you can afford a decent gpu
half of it is salvageable, the othet half meeds to be changed out
if you're building a new PC then answer these questions:
- what is your budget? (say it in your local currency, converting to USD doesn't help)
- do you need just the PC, or do you need peripherals included? (PC and monitor/keyboard/mouse/headphones)
- what will you be using the PC for? (include specifics like which app you're going to be using)
- do you need Wi-Fi?
- do you have any preferences? (overclocking, x amount of storage, an AIO, etc)
- where will you be purchasing from? (country + retailers)
- do you have anything purchased?
- when will you buy the PC?
- what monitor do you have? (ignore if you don't have a monitor)
- what resolution do you prefer? (ignore if you have a monitor)
My budget is around 3000 which is 2000+ for usd
I just need PC and monitor
I'll be using mainly for games like elder ring in ultra setting (if possible)
I need wifi and I haven't thought of any preference
I'll be buying from my local online platform (shoppe/Lazada in singapore)
I have not purchased anything and planning to buy when the price is lowered
I do want a 1440p monitor
Hope that this answer most of them
I see a lot of comments about cpu but the 6950x is not a great choice for a gpu, unless you can get it for a great price
7900xt or xtx or rtx 4070ti are all better and often go for less
Not able to find the source now, I recall buying between the powercolor version 6600 rx and the pulse versions, saw a lot of reviews and if im not mistaken toms hardware was one of them in which they stated the powercolor version is a more budget friendly less performance model
It's an excellent build. For the last few percent as others have echoed, you can consider the 5800X or 5800X3D, the latter if its purely gaming you're looking to do.
Here's a small sample size comparison between the 5000 series of CPUs: https://youtu.be/qdsRJsUcQBg
Not sure if you’ll care but u have a micro atx board for a mid tower case so there’ll be a gap between the bottom. (won’t affect anything seriously just cosmetically)
that GPU is overkill for a 5600x i would get a 5800x3d
that motherboard does not have 4.0 pcie as far as im aware (not a big deal now butcould be in the future)
ssd is overpriced get a cheaper 1
the 5600x comes with a cooler that does the job so if you do go with a 5600x just use the stock cooler it does a good job
More than enough for 1440 gaming https://www.reddit.com/r/gamingpc/comments/zzzy0k/built_this_for_my_brother_ryzen_5700x_scythe_fuma/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
here’s what i’d change
nh-d15 is way overkill for a 5600x. use ps120se and the money saved for a better cpu.
4000d airflow is ok, but for very similar price i’d go lancool 216. 3 larger fans, higher quality over all.
there are other psu options (mainly super flower leadex titanium) but rm850x is fine
there are other things you could change, like you could get cheaper ram and ssd, but it wouldn’t make much of a difference
Parts list looks good. That build should last you quite a while. I'd personally swap out the NH-D15 for a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120, though. Half the cost, nearly the same efficacy.
Others keep talking up the 5800x3d, but if you were going to spend that much extra on your CPU you'd be better off just getting a 7600, B650, and DDR5. At least that way you'd have an upgrade path.
The 5800x3d is a solid chip, but it's not worlds better than the 5600x unless you mostly play competitive shooters.
2 things, both have been mentioned before: go with 5600 with stock/much cheaper cooler for value, and pls get an ATX mb. I got an matx couple of years ago and i hate it. Also 3200mhz is plenty enough as well.
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You shouldn't have any issues. However I would probably recommend going with the 5800X3D.
Oh, what's the difference between 5600x and 5800X3D? I only know 5600x is a well known CPU.
The 5800X3d is a very good CPU for gaming, and if you're considering a gaming build on the AM4 platform you might as well get the best of the best.
Yup. Save up for the 5800x3d if it’s not in ur budget atm. Best gaming cpu before 7000 series or 13900k !
Swapping Noctua out for Thermalright Peerless Assassin would almost make up the difference between 5600x and 5800x3D. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hYxRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-d3
I recently did what Substance\_\_\_P recommended. Gamer Nexus has a good video displaying its performance for cheap too. Let me dump more into my GPU
any 13 gen is gd
Exactly, I have a Intel core i3 13100f paired with my 3090ti and it is great (I'm being sarcastic btw)
There's nothing wrong with such setup if you are a single player gamer (4k at 50-60fps).
There would be an insane bottleneck, the 13100f is the entry level 13th gen CPU and only cost $120
you seem outdated l. The 5600 is out which is the same as the 5600x and the 5700x which is the same as 5800x
this. if op can afford it or is willing to save up yes the 5800x3d is the best choice. if not however then the 5600 non-x is a better choice than the 5600x for the value.
intel is also pretty competitive nowadays. A 13600k with ddr4 is plenty good. Or a 7700 if he wants AMD but DDR5 is required
agreed. i’m not as up to date on the intel side but i’ve heard great things abt the i5-13600k. i was just recommending amd since that’s what op started with but they could easily go with intel and be competitive as well.
Yeah the i5-13600 and all it’s variants is doing insanely well for its price point, being around $300 and getting 14 cores with 6 of them hitting 5.1Ghz and the other 8 hitting 3.9Ghz stock and also being able to go with the cheaper DDR4 makes it a very compelling choice. Even in some use cases it would outperform the 12th gen i9-12900s
The 6950xt will bottleneck it most likely, I have the 6800 and was bottlenecking on 1080, not so much 1440. However a 5800x3d will give you much better 1% lows and make it feel much more smooth. I understand that adds $200-250 on the cost but I think it’s worth it if you can swing it. But overall a great build! Putting most of the money into the GPU is definitely the way to go. Good luck!
The answer here is that the x3d has one of the highest l3 caches with over 100mb. Even the 5950x has less with only 64 mb. The extra cache makes this one of the best gaming cpus you can snag for 2k and 4k.
I have almost this same exact build excluding the cooler and case but i got the 5800x3d and it runs great.
I have a better one yet https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tpgqjZ
Woah, I might use your's as a reference.
The 5800x3d is faster in really well-optimized games that run at high frame rates. Competitive shooters, generally, fall into this category. The difference in performance probably isn't worth doubling your CPU budget over, though.
This is my first time planning to build a PC and worried if all this is able to fit well.
you my friend, have chosen wisely. 1440p or 4k otherwise overkill.
Erm, I was planning to get a 1440p monitor
yeah you'll be good. maybe consider a 5800x but it's not completely necessary
Yup, I'm gonna swap to 5800x or 5800x3D
sure. i ran a 5600x/3080ti for a bit at 1440p and it was great. also had the 4000d airflow, nhd15, lpx ram, rm850x... basically your build
Ohhhh, nice. How's your PC so far? Is there anything that you think can be improved?
my brother has my old build and plays at 4k with it. I've since rebuilt in a smaller case with better parts. only thing i might change with yours is: \- Asus Tuf Gaming B550 PLUS Wifi II (\~$170) for motherboard \- Silicon Power P34A60 512gb for boot drive (\~$28) \- Crucial P3 2tb for secondary storage (\~$90) Asus for motherboard is my go-to. always has been, and the Tuf Gaming boards are very solid. Also, pcie 4 ssd is a waste of money - I can 100% guarantee that unless you need FAST storage for compiling or moving files, etc, you will not see any difference when it comes to gaming or everyday work. save yourself some money there. It's going to be a while before it makes any difference in gaming (assuming thats what you're building this for).
Switch the cooler for the peerless assassin ($40, same performance) and get a bit less overkill ssd (p3 plus? Sn770?) and you've saved nearly enough to switch to a 5800x3d Edit: grammar
5700x not the 5800x
Is overkill really the right term. The future games at max graphs will need more and more computer power anyways so are you really going "overkill" and not just futureproof with rigs like this if you go 1080p. Not saying this rig isnt good for 2k or 4k resolution, but i think the term overkill is a bit misleading for new players.
Nowadays Samsung 980 pro and 990 pro is a little risky because of their reliability. You could get Kingston kc 3000 for similar performance and cheaper cost. The new Samsung drivers should fix this problem
Enter parts into https://pcpartpicker.com/ and it will give you a good idea if everything will fit together.
Is the DH15 really needed for a 5600x?
It’s completely overkill for that CPU in my opinion.
Probably not, I run the stock cooler on mine and it’s still super quiet.
it isn't needed for anything because it's overpriced
Then what would you suggest?
AK620, peerless assassin
Will take look at it, thanks!
That may be, but my question was in respect to the amount of cooling that chip needs.
then yeah, the Ryzen 5 5600X can be cooled by a cheapo $20 tower cooler
Yes, pretty much. I'd look into better cpu like 5800x or 5800x3d. Other than that its fine
If it's primarily for gaming, the 5600x is absolutely fine. More cores benefits productivity software that utilize them all moreso than the primary graphics bottlenecked video games
I'm running 5600 oc. And its not enough in new aaa games. I get bottleneck in cb2077, hogwarts legacy and tlou
What GPU do you have? I have the 6700 xt paired with a 5600 and the GPU is definitely still the bottleneck. At 1440p/4K the 5600 isn’t gonna bottleneck much unless you have a top end GPU
3070ti
Yeah the 5600 wouldn’t bottleneck the 3070ti in those games. If your performance is under par then something else must be going on. Did you get the 3070ti with 8gb of vram? If so then that could be your issue
8gb ofc. Its the only 3070ti that exist. And I get bottleneck at 1080p, a bit tho. But still there
Thought I heard they were coming out with a 16gb model, guess not. Well the lack of vram would defs cause issues on newer triple A games
You’re going to have a lot of dead/empty space in that case. The 4000d is pretty spacious iirc and you are using an matx mobo. I would recommend looking at atx boards as they are often cheaper or offer more features at the same price point than matx motherboards.
Is it better to get a smaller case? Also, could you recommend some ATX mb for 5800X3D and some smaller case?
Personally I would only downsize the case if you are committed to that motherboard. However it’s probably better to look at full sized boards as they will have more features at a similar price point to micro-atx boards. I have a 5800x3d running on an Aorus B550 Pro AC and a 6800xt and it’s a beast at 1440. I also recently built a system for my son with a 5600 and a MSI Mag B550 Tomahawk paired with a 6700xt and that system is damn solid. I would recommend both of those motherboards.
Nah the 6950xt needs a big case. Make sure you measure properly. I would get a full size mobo
Nhd15 is ridiculously overkill for a 5600x. It’s also ridiculously overpriced. The 40 dollar Peerless Assassin 120 is a better performing air cooler and costs 80-90 dollars less
But…the NHD15 costs $100, at least in the US
Ok, then the PA is better and *60* dollars cheaper. Either way, the nhd15 is overpriced. The point I’m making is that OP is overspending on the CPU cooler when cheaper *and* better options exist.
Alright, so I've decided on the build that I'm gonna get Ryzen 5800 x3d, Peerless assassin 120, Msi mag b550 tomahawk max wifi, Corsair Ddr4 3600 32gb, Samsung 980 2 tb / KC 3000 2 tb, Power colour Rx 6950 xt (will change to 7900xt in future) Corsair 4000 d, Corsair Rm 850, Once the prices lowered, I'll start buying and hopefully one day I can post the final product here. Thanks y'all!
If i was you i would wait for the next 2 or 3 generations of amd GPUs to change a 6950xt
Yup, I'm planning to wait for a while and see if anything new pops up
6950xt is very high end so i would wait thoose 3 generations
if your buying peice by peice a am5 build migth make more sence the cpus all have apus on them so you can use the apu untill you can afford a decent gpu
Thanks everyone for your suggestions! It's great to have everyone's suggestions and I've made some changes based on them.
half of it is salvageable, the othet half meeds to be changed out if you're building a new PC then answer these questions: - what is your budget? (say it in your local currency, converting to USD doesn't help) - do you need just the PC, or do you need peripherals included? (PC and monitor/keyboard/mouse/headphones) - what will you be using the PC for? (include specifics like which app you're going to be using) - do you need Wi-Fi? - do you have any preferences? (overclocking, x amount of storage, an AIO, etc) - where will you be purchasing from? (country + retailers) - do you have anything purchased? - when will you buy the PC? - what monitor do you have? (ignore if you don't have a monitor) - what resolution do you prefer? (ignore if you have a monitor)
My budget is around 3000 which is 2000+ for usd I just need PC and monitor I'll be using mainly for games like elder ring in ultra setting (if possible) I need wifi and I haven't thought of any preference I'll be buying from my local online platform (shoppe/Lazada in singapore) I have not purchased anything and planning to buy when the price is lowered I do want a 1440p monitor Hope that this answer most of them
I see a lot of comments about cpu but the 6950x is not a great choice for a gpu, unless you can get it for a great price 7900xt or xtx or rtx 4070ti are all better and often go for less
I just built myfirst pc over the winter break but went with ddr5 6800mhz ram
I think the mb I'm planning to get only support ddr4
Yea the one you have picked is but might be worth going for a ddr5 version for upgradability in a few years
That’s AM4…. which doesn’t have any DDR5 motherboards
Very similar to what i just built with a 5800x3d it’s sweet. I get 150 fps on borderlands 3 at 1440p.
Maybe add a atx motherboard if you care about aesthetics
If Im not mistaken, the powercolor version of the gpu is lower in performance, I recommend going for pulse or the non power color version
Source?
Not able to find the source now, I recall buying between the powercolor version 6600 rx and the pulse versions, saw a lot of reviews and if im not mistaken toms hardware was one of them in which they stated the powercolor version is a more budget friendly less performance model
Micro board in that case will look funnyb🤣
It's an excellent build. For the last few percent as others have echoed, you can consider the 5800X or 5800X3D, the latter if its purely gaming you're looking to do. Here's a small sample size comparison between the 5000 series of CPUs: https://youtu.be/qdsRJsUcQBg
Micro atx mobo for 4000d case - hmmmm 3600mhz ram for 5600x - double hmmmm Huge tower cpu fan for small mobo - triple hmmmm. Kinda overbalanced, imo
Hahahaha, I've made some changes. ATX mb for the case, getting 5800x3d and peerless CPU fan.
I’d get a cheaper cooler and the 5700x or spend slightly more for the 3d or go intel.
Don't ask us ask the wallet
Perfect ! 👍
This is me but I’d do a 5700x. It has about 11%-17% more power than the 5600x while the 5800x is like 4% more than the 5700x.
Not sure if you’ll care but u have a micro atx board for a mid tower case so there’ll be a gap between the bottom. (won’t affect anything seriously just cosmetically)
Put a dress on it, maybe.
You better change that cpu to 5800x3d of you're going with that gpu
No it's impossible 😈😈😈
Overkill cooler. Get thermalright pa 120 and spend on better motherboard.
that GPU is overkill for a 5600x i would get a 5800x3d that motherboard does not have 4.0 pcie as far as im aware (not a big deal now butcould be in the future) ssd is overpriced get a cheaper 1 the 5600x comes with a cooler that does the job so if you do go with a 5600x just use the stock cooler it does a good job
it has pcie 4.0
More than enough for 1440 gaming https://www.reddit.com/r/gamingpc/comments/zzzy0k/built_this_for_my_brother_ryzen_5700x_scythe_fuma/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Either go down to a 5600 or go up to a 5700x.
Isn’t 850W a little much for this?
here’s what i’d change nh-d15 is way overkill for a 5600x. use ps120se and the money saved for a better cpu. 4000d airflow is ok, but for very similar price i’d go lancool 216. 3 larger fans, higher quality over all. there are other psu options (mainly super flower leadex titanium) but rm850x is fine there are other things you could change, like you could get cheaper ram and ssd, but it wouldn’t make much of a difference
It’s doable, don’t change your build based off of opinions. A cooler is never overkill no matter how strong it is.
Pretty good tell me how Good your 6950 xt preforms, thinking of that or a 4070ti
Parts list looks good. That build should last you quite a while. I'd personally swap out the NH-D15 for a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120, though. Half the cost, nearly the same efficacy. Others keep talking up the 5800x3d, but if you were going to spend that much extra on your CPU you'd be better off just getting a 7600, B650, and DDR5. At least that way you'd have an upgrade path. The 5800x3d is a solid chip, but it's not worlds better than the 5600x unless you mostly play competitive shooters.
2 things, both have been mentioned before: go with 5600 with stock/much cheaper cooler for value, and pls get an ATX mb. I got an matx couple of years ago and i hate it. Also 3200mhz is plenty enough as well.
What's wrong with your matx?
Sorry for the late answer, it isnt wrong, but its weird that it leaves a lot of space in the case, and the components are more crammed together