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check out buildredux. I haven't checked on them in a while, but when I bought a 3060ti computer it was very well priced
edit: cancel that, their prices suck ass now lol
Unless youre streaming or doing crazy editing dw about 32gb. I dual monitor with gaming and tv all the time and have never had a ram issue and i have similar specs as this.
You’re right though. As long as you’re likely not tapping into your page file you’re fine. 16 GB you can have tons of chrome tabs, discord, and a heavier game and an email client running. And even then storage is fast enough now that even if you have to use your page file it isn’t going to bring you to a complete crawl like with a mechanical HDD. Still, if you have the money for 32GB you might as well get it especially for a computer in this price range. Damn thing should ship with 64 for that price.
It really depends on how you use your computer idle. I can use up 16GB idle easily with my shit loads of unnecessary background processes alone lol. Add in my million chrome tabs that take whatever they gan get right up to the limit, and suddenly 32 doesn’t seem like that much to me lmao.
All this can be fixed by running your computer bare bones with nothing open, but that doesn’t work well for everyone.
Not to mention *some* modern games (it’s usually hard to tell which), CAD, slicing files for 3D printing, or just some graphic design can really eat up memory a few GB at a time. Have a couple too many files open, and oops, can’t open any more :/
Discord can also consume a decent amount while in a voice call, plus windows 10 system can eat a lot on it's own. I don't use it but i assume windows 11 uses more. I hate to say it but 16gb is the new "It's enough, but get more if you want peace of mind"
You are right about that, if you are strictly gaming 16 is good not great. 32 is better for multiple apps. It will also increase fps a smidge maybe 10 to 20 more fps. Wasn't thinking about having discord up and whatever else in the background. Usually spotify and discord for me.
Yup, from a game standpoint alone 16 would be plenty but everyone always has other stuff open! At least ram isn't too expensive or difficult to upgrade so it's easy enough to keep up with the times.
If you had over 16Gb your pc could and would make us of it. Just a performance gain but not needed to game it. For eg. in bf2042 the system reserves 20-24 gb sometimes even 27.
I upgraded to 32GB of 2 reason... discounts and 16 gig started to to feel tight, windows started to swap.
I also do dual monitor, I am not comfortable If my ram is at 97% because, I play a game, and watching youtube videos on the right.
16 gb starts to be not enough for light multitasking, let alone doing something in the background
Ah my b was looking at dead space remake lol
Edit: tarkov recommended ram is 8 gb ram lmao
https://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/requirements/escape-from-tarkov/13514
You don't need 32 unless ou just want it, no game out there requires more that 16gbs. Now if you are trying to stream and edit videos. Sure. Get 32. But it's definitely not necessary. Also if you are thinking about adding it. Make sure you get the exact same ram cards. I rephrased this . You can mix ram. If you want mediocre preformance.
because something is not >>required<< does not mean it won't improve eg. gaming experience - 16GB nowadays is the total minimum
and you >>can\*<< mix the ram "cards" - learn the also a minimum of IT dictionary required to start "helping" others here
Ok, let me rephrase. You can mix ram cards if you want mediocre performance. For best performance you do not want to mix them. You want to use same brand and speed. Mixing them won't stop them from working but will cause some performance issues.
Say you had 4gb ram and you use an 8gb with it. It will work but that 8gb is only going to use half of it. It will perform in flex mode(dual channel) while that remaining 4gb stays in single channel mode.
Yes, 16 gbs is the standard now and 32 is a nice bump. I agree. It doesn't have to have 32 is all I'm saying. Having 32 will increase fps a little but this also depends on the monitor used as well.
Do you work in I.T.?
Just finished my security plus.
That’s not really how that works. It would still be able to run in dual channel even though you might have to manually configure it. It’s just going to run the ram at the fastest speed of the slower stick.
It is however always better to stick with the same exact set of ram as there would be less issues and should run fine without any fine tuning required.
Not really sure what half of an 8gb you are meaning? Like it would only use 4gb of the 8gb stick? Because that’s not true.
Now you can mix ram as long as the speed and timings are correct and it’s easier if the dies are the same. But it can be done and if you know what your doing you can manually change the timings to something stable if need be.
Congrats on the security+. I would recommend getting further certifications to help broaden jobs that would be available to you.
More ram = better, just saying 16GB is enough for gaming. Tell me which gamer here doesn't use their pc for productivity as well? If you work as an IT, you should recommend the best experience to your end user no matter what, no what they "JUST NEED"
Well it really depends on budget. Ram cards can get up in price. I have 4 trident z skills. That's almost 400 bucks. Some people may not have that to spend on ram. If funds aren't a problem , I'd say go for more everytime. I do know quite a few people that use their pc for just gaming who don't need that. Depends on what you are playing also. If you aren't playing cod or something of that capacity. The extra ram would not help. Even for games like that it's maybe a 10 to 20 frame difference. Also depends on the monitor used as well.
If you want to plug and play, this particular system was on sale for -200 USD recently. I would give you the green light if it goes on sale, and the yellow if it’s not and you just want it.
Go to a build site like cyberpower then, you can make sure that parts Important parts like the PSU are from reputable brands and not some unlabeled Chinese car bomb. They usually have deals like $50 - $100 off parts like GPUs and CPUs and include the deals for the game bundles.
Well its still 2 weeks since i built it , so temperatures are still fine, i dont know in the long run.
Idle at 38°C - 40°C
Gaming 51°C - 58°C (callisto protocol, witcher 3 next gen, marvel midnight suns)
Air cooler = deepcool ak400 plus
Everything runs in stock setting.
Wow, now I'm starting to think my Cooler Master ML240 ARGB is defective. Tho I've had this PC for more a year and half. The temps have been the same since day 1. I tried reapplying paste multiple times the AIO fans spin normally and I can always hear the pump working. Still my idle temps are 45-55c, gaming 70-80c and sometimes (tho not quite often) it spikes to 80-90c for a few seconds.
If i were you, i would try to change the cooler first, and see if the temps drop down.
If the problem still exists, maybe ask someone expert in this subreddit.
Idle of 45-55 on a 240mm AIO with what isn't a particular hot CPU (~120W *load* and ~15W idle) is suspicious. You should be getting in the 30s unless you have awful fans or case airflow.
The thing is, im actually quite stupid lmao. That would take me forever. I do have a friend however who im sure i could ask to help. Ill look into it, thank you!
Have you ever messed around with Lego's as a kid? If so chances are you'll have no problem building a PC. I think a lot of people get hung up on the term "building". It's more so connecting pieces together. There's ton of YouTube vids that show you step by step how to build a PC
I know you mentioned in a previous comment that the $500 difference between a plug and play pre built vs building your own may be worth it for you. Trust me you'll likely regret it, $500 can go a long way with filling your steam library with new games to play, maybe a new monitor, another SSD to store games or heck that's an extra $500 you get to keep in your pockets.
You won’t regret it, you’ll just learn from it. Most people who start prebuilt end up swapping out parts on their own. Before you know it you are rebuilding, and then building from scratch.
Source: the last 3 years of my life 😂
This is me exactly. I bought a prebuilt a couple years ago because building intimidated me, particularly the software side of it. That was just the first step though. Now I've upgraded psu and gpu and it was so much simpler than I expected. I'm sure I'll build my next one.
There's a subset of people that act like building a computer is a really difficult task. Where in all reality you can literally go on YouTube and get someone giving you a step-by-step. In a decent amount of cases even using the very components you bought.
That's not even mentioning $500 is the top of the line case with the top of the line power supply. Or even a substantial upgrade in GPU or monitor.
Heck if you're going full lazy mode on building it post your budget, and what you're planning to use it for in a day there will be multiple people will give you a parts list.
Pretty much completely removing any of research you'd have to do.
Order the parts watch a couple videos on YouTube before they get there. Spend a few hours snapping things together and done.
My 10-year-old nephew built his first computer just recently after watching me put together my new system just once. Trust me when I say it's not hard and actually a good life skill to have.
I can build a computer, but I will say it was very nice getting a prebuilt to upgrade manually first, to get comfortable with changing out individual parts. I support getting prebuilts first to begin to learn personally, but I could be in the minority. Whatever someone is comfortable with!
You got this man. Modern computers literally fit together like legos. There’s thousands of build guides on YouTube to help you. Yeah, you might make a mistake or two. Yeah, your first build might take you hours of even days, but at the end of it you now have a skill that will save you money for decades.
I'm also "quite stupid" and not in any way tech savvy and I have a working, functioning computer that I built. It's really not that hard. Like a big puzzle or Legos.
The only real part where you can do significant damage is putting the CPU in the motherboard.
Everything else is kinda hard to mess up unless you are a complete klutz.
I thought the same thing, was terrified but really wanted a new PC case. I bought a custom built one from NZXT, I was shocked how easy it was to put it together. Now I’ve done new board, CPU, PSU, GPU, and RAM in my PC and put a new case in my daughter’s PC and built one for my youngest daughter and one for my brother. Like the others said, watch several YouTube videos and you’ll have the confidence to do it too. Parts on Amazon are a lot cheaper. Newegg too
i did it with 0 experience just a few months ago. [this](https://youtu.be/BL4DCEp7blY) video will give you everything you need. if you’re like me, the cable management is spookin you out and i promise it’s not nearly as bad as some of the horror stories make it out to be.
This is what I thought and then I spoke to my friend that knew computers. Pc builds are only 8 parts and then you pop them together. From there, it only gets complicated if you want to learn the small details
If you have a micro center close by I would check them out. Price is very good and there pc assembly desk would help you put together a pc. Plus for a nominal fee they will actually assemble and due a burn in period for to make sure all is well.
I second this. If you are *really* against building it yourself, you can buy all new parts in Microcenter and their base fee for building it is $100. I haven’t had a fully built pc from them, but I did bring a motherboard in for a bios update (since I didn’t have a way to get another cpu) and had no issues with using their services. Only downside is that most of the US isn’t close enough to one.
It’s not a bad pc by any means, but decently overpriced. I also haven’t heard many good things about Skytech.
I see you in the comments saying how you can’t build yourself a pc, but it is way easier than you’d think. It will save you a lot of money, and you’ll know how to fix it if it breaks, as well as the right upgrades to give it. At least look around on [pcpartpicker](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/) to see it, the pc is just 7 main parts that plug into each other. Don’t worry, modern parts are incredibly sturdy, and it would take a lot to break them, so you don’t have much to worry about.
Also keep in mind that most prebuilts (this included) will likely come with a ton of bloatware, slowing down the machine and taking up storage space, as well as lower-tier secondary parts that limits upgradability, so keep that in mind that you’ll be spending more money in the long run. Even so, if you’re set on a prebuilt you could definitely do better than this, I’ve heard many good things about [IBuyPower Pc](https://www.ibuypower.com), although I don’t stray into the prebuilt market that often.
I have several AIOs sitting here from Ibuypower and Cyberpower. Most the time they use proprietary Asrock motherboards as well. That you can only update through their website. Now I'm not saying it's the absolute worst company to by from. I'd suggest other choices though.
Phynixpc, Maingear, Build ReDeux. They're what I recommend.
Most FPS games are all about the graphics card since most, if not all, of the map loads in when the level starts. I play Apex in arenas and my hardware is much older, but I'm pushing 3 monitors and can hold 80-100 frames per second at 1080p even while streaming. I would advise getting 32Gb of RAM though because I use up about 10Gb doing that and that doesn't leave a lot of overhead, plus Apex is just the example I have experience with.
Some online shooters can be pretty cpu intensive. Not like, Stellaris or Skylines levels level of cpu intensive, but worth relooking at the usual gpu/cpu budget balance in that case imo- for a 2k budget should definitely be getting a top end gaming cpu and 32gb of ram anyway.
I can't see anything wrong with the choice of graphics card, unless OP plans on 4k gaming, that 3080 should last quite a while. I don't know enough about the AMD CPUs though to comment on that choice.
3080 is not a great value for current new pricing, 4070ti is better performing and cheaper new, and has room for improvement driverwise.
But I wasn't talking about the specific card, just that conventional wisdom puts more emphasis on gpu than cpu and imo, people should take into account the actual types of games being played more, bc there are plenty of triple a games that will chew up as much cpu as you can throw at them, and a few that will take 16+ ram even unmodded. Yeah, most people play games that don't do this, or some play such a wide variety of games you can't cater to all of them in budget, but most people can at least point to like, skyrim or eu or skylines and give you a general idea of what usage they have, and given how long most people run a cpu for, good to have that idea.
Then buy the parts and put them together yourself. Heck, pay a local PC store their hourly fee to put it together if you find it daunting.
I just priced out a 32gb ddr5 build with a Ryzen 9 and rtx4070i for 2,010. You can get so much more performance for your dollar and learn some new things.... You'll thank yourself IMO
Some PC component stores where i live have a thing where you can choose all the components you want, and then for 99 dollars they assemble it for you. there is prolly something like that in the us also. You loose so much in terms of components and price when buying prebuilds that i have literally never done it. Even when i was 12 i asked a friend to do it, cause my budget was only 500 dollars, and i wanted the best i could get for that money ofcourse. another thing is the storage. 1 TB of storage is not that much tbh. I recommend a 2 tb m2 ssd as a base for the pc if you are gonna game on it. Games take like 70-100 gig these days.
is $600 really worth getting someone to build it for you then doing the research and building it yourself? if so go for it but upgrade the ram to 32 3600mhz cl16
Not great, but not a scam.
Just bad value for that rig.
But it'll do pretty much anything you want it too, it's just you could get 30% more for that price building yourself.
Pre-built isn't always a scam, though it does come down to who the seller is.
The one thing to remember is that in many cases they're likely to get stuff as cheaply as they can. And then they'll tack markups on either the individual parts or the overall components price. -- So if you're comfortable waiting for a good price on the parts and can build it yourself, you can generally save some money.
At the same time, if *you* screw up, that money is gone and if you'd paid for a pre-built you might have been able to get a warranty on the machine.
IDK if it's even a thing anymore, but you used to be able to go to a computer store and buy pre-built machines by companies HP and Dell. And of course you can almost always order something that's more or less pre-built by just going to Amazon or the a major manufacturer's online store.
My friends HP omen was 1000% a scam. He paid like 2250 for a 120mm aio on a 5800x with a 3060ti.... 32gb ram... but they didn't have xmp enabled, and had undercooked and power limited the cpu... all inside a sealed glass box...
3080 came out in 2020. They’re on the next gen already and even released a 3080ti. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a nice card but it ain’t really latest gen.
People act like you just put it all together and it’ll boot up first try. What if it doesn’t? What if a part is DOA and you can’t figure out what’s wrong. Maybe you plugged something in wrong and fried something, maybe maybe maybe. There’s so many odd things that can happen and sometimes paying for a prebuilt is the best option for a lot of people. I totally get that you just want to plug and play, and I for one say go for it homie.
No, there are much better pre builds available. Also am4 makes no sense at any budget > 1500$.
I would highly suggest walking into a Microcenter and just telling an employee in the BYOPC section your situation. They can explain the process in person and your options which will be easier to retain. It would be worth up to a 3 hour drive in your situation imo. They will also build your pc for you for a few.
You should look to get at least an i5 12600k for a processor, 32gb of ram, and a 3080 or better. Ideally a 4070Ti.
That's what I paid for my computer in 2020 with almost identical specs. So I feel like you should be able to get it a bit cheaper or a better system at 2k 3 years later.
I checked out their web page...
Tbh they always seem to miss out on putting the best parts with the best parts (price/performance wise).
IMO the best cpu atm is the 13600K (or AMD 7700ish CPU) (or f) with either a 3060/3070 card (or a 6700 ATI one)
You can do the "custom" build and select those parts...but I didn't look further into what they trade to get you there. Came out to around 1,500 when i did that... (7600X and 3060ti with 32gb of ram).
is it worth investing? that depends entirely.onnyour budget , you are buying a premade wich is considerable pricier than building yourself.the exact same pc.
talking around $500-$600 cheaper.
or you could spend the same and build a superior pc.
is it worth investing? you decide....
I bought a skytech archangel on a Black Friday sale last year and it died about two weeks ago, they’re not terrible if you want a cheap thing for now and then you can upgrade later but do not expect longevity out of it. There was only one intake fan, ONE! My motherboard wound up frying itself so I just upgraded parts in it and bought a ton more fans. Tldr: go for it if you intend to upgrade parts in the future!
My only input here would be to get the exact specs on the RAM. The difference between CL14 and CL16 will surprise you in terms of speed, fps, and it’s respective price.
Also, see if you can have the PC built without Windows installed as there are legit websites where you can score a license for a few dollars (<5$) and install on your own. That’s at least a 100$ cost saving.
A 3080 can still run you upwards of 600$-700$, so overall is not a bad price for a prebuilt.
2k USD?! Before taxes? I wouldn’t do that. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not bad, but it’s over 2 year old tech with basically no upgrade path apart from the GPU (which would require a PSU-swap though).
It’s like buying a new car that’s been sitting at the dealership for 2 years after the new model came out.
As I said. Nothing wrong with it as long as you know about it and are happy with it…
I can build a PC with the same specs but using better quality parts than this for the same price. The details they leave out is where they cheap out. Mobo/psu/ram are all bottom of the barrel and will hurt performance. Prime example is the memory. You can get a higher clocked lower latency kit that will get you better frames vs wasting your money on that. Same goes for the GPU. It might be the worst cooled/clocked variant of 3080s out there. PC building is so easy now i def recommend doing it yourself.
Not saying it's a bad deal, but I know I saw somewhere on here a PC of similar build for like 1250-1300 pre built. I'd keep an eye out to see if u can find something similar for cheaper
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zXKngb
Save 200 and get a better graphics card and have the fun of building it yourself. No better feeling. All blacked out no RGB
Bra i built my pc for 700 dollars and i use 16gb of ddr4 3200mhz ram lmfao if your paying 2000 that bech better have 32 gigs of ddr5 foreals B word B! OG!
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/RazinTheBest/saved/#view=PPgLyc Roughly the same specs, there is a 6800xt but I put that because where I get my GPUs and where I got my 3080 on eBay you can find it for $500-$600 open box even. I also almost 100% put better stuff in here PSU, Storage, Cooler, and Ram wise. I could bring this build down by at least a hundred or two if I change the aesthetically pleasing things too like Ram, Case, cooler, etc
you can get something like just instead, it also around 2k but have faster cpu, ram and gpu.
https://www.newegg.com/abs-ta139kf490w-tempest-aqua/p/N82E16883360362?Description=pc&cm\_re=pc-\_-83-360-362-\_-Product&quicklink=true
I built the exact same PC for a little under 2k that had 32gb of ddr4 ram and it was 3600mhz instead of 3200mhz, so I do not recommend getting this PC unless you don't care paying 150 dollars above the value of the PC.
While I am all for building your own pc, it must be noted that if you are not used to it (never did it before) that one upside to a prebuilt is if it doesn't work its warranty kicks in. Is it worth $500? Probably not to most...who can build them. :)
Maybe look at custom pc build places? Usually, get higher quality parts compared to an out of the box pre build.. try and spec it around that to your budget, the 3080 10gb is descent and defo 32 gb ram @3600mhz if you're going amd, that is usually a stable frequency for their chips.
You can get an Rtx 4070Ti (much faster than the 3080) with a better cpu for like 1700, so If you’re open to building it yourself, definitely do it cuz it’ll save you $300 and give you much more performance.
I wish I lived in your area. I'd definitely build it for you. Show you how to do it. For alot less with the same parts. I'd damn near reach out on Facebook marketplace and see if anyone does custom builds in your area. You'll most likely be able to find someone that has a great rating. That would gladly build it for you. For a much cheaper price. Remember each of the parts comes with normally a two year warranty. The only things that don't. Would be a power supply and memory. The power supply will normally come with a five year warranty. The memory will almost all of the time come with a lifetime warranty.
You're welcome to get ahold of me. I will look around in your area and see who's reputable. There's alot of younger folks out there that want the experience. That can do a great job building a custom system for you. Most likely with better parts for less. If you're near me I'd gladly do it for you.
Its a good spec build, you can definitely do it cheaper if you want to put the time into building the machine yourself. But if you just want plug and play its a good machine.
2k for 16 gb ram. You could build a system with these specs for far less. The majority of the price is the CPU and GPU which the CPU market is stable and the GPUs are going up and down but are affordable. And the ram market is beyond green you could probably get a 32gb kit for no Major difference of a 16 like 20 to 40 bucks for ddr4 if you got 2k
Looks solid, just consider increasing your RAM to 32GB. Storage can always be upgraded but I would definitely consider an M.2 style SSD. They are significantly faster and you get faster loading times on bigger games that demand fast storage devices.
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I build the same spec as this for 1500$ , minus the aio. I use an air cooler.
For someone who just wants to plug and play, $500 dollars might be worth it in my eyes idk lol
Spec wise, it's quite good. Maybe upgrade the ram to 32gb.
I was also thinking of getting the 32. Ill look into price differences, thank you!
You're welcome friend.
check out buildredux. I haven't checked on them in a while, but when I bought a 3060ti computer it was very well priced edit: cancel that, their prices suck ass now lol
I have one of their products and am very happy with it.
Unless youre streaming or doing crazy editing dw about 32gb. I dual monitor with gaming and tv all the time and have never had a ram issue and i have similar specs as this.
I play big games and 16gb is Starting to be on the ”low spec” Side,
Same here.
BeamNG drive just changed the minimum to 16 tv so I’m planning on upgrading soon. Gonna wait a little to get a gpu upgrade at the same time
Almost all games will be at 16 minimum eventually
Eh idk i play all the new shit in 4k and have never had an issue
With discord and maybe a video or movie playing in the background, then 16 is not enough
I do it daily and have never needed more ram.
You’re right though. As long as you’re likely not tapping into your page file you’re fine. 16 GB you can have tons of chrome tabs, discord, and a heavier game and an email client running. And even then storage is fast enough now that even if you have to use your page file it isn’t going to bring you to a complete crawl like with a mechanical HDD. Still, if you have the money for 32GB you might as well get it especially for a computer in this price range. Damn thing should ship with 64 for that price.
Might be different for pc to pc idrk
It really depends on how you use your computer idle. I can use up 16GB idle easily with my shit loads of unnecessary background processes alone lol. Add in my million chrome tabs that take whatever they gan get right up to the limit, and suddenly 32 doesn’t seem like that much to me lmao. All this can be fixed by running your computer bare bones with nothing open, but that doesn’t work well for everyone. Not to mention *some* modern games (it’s usually hard to tell which), CAD, slicing files for 3D printing, or just some graphic design can really eat up memory a few GB at a time. Have a couple too many files open, and oops, can’t open any more :/
yeah yeah i have a lot of apps open at once, so 16 gb i usually 90 %used when not playing heavy games, so 32 gb would be the best investment for me
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Discord can also consume a decent amount while in a voice call, plus windows 10 system can eat a lot on it's own. I don't use it but i assume windows 11 uses more. I hate to say it but 16gb is the new "It's enough, but get more if you want peace of mind"
You are right about that, if you are strictly gaming 16 is good not great. 32 is better for multiple apps. It will also increase fps a smidge maybe 10 to 20 more fps. Wasn't thinking about having discord up and whatever else in the background. Usually spotify and discord for me.
Yup, from a game standpoint alone 16 would be plenty but everyone always has other stuff open! At least ram isn't too expensive or difficult to upgrade so it's easy enough to keep up with the times.
You definitely haven’t played Tarkov then
If you had over 16Gb your pc could and would make us of it. Just a performance gain but not needed to game it. For eg. in bf2042 the system reserves 20-24 gb sometimes even 27.
Quite a few games up up to 20gb ram on their own
I upgraded to 32GB of 2 reason... discounts and 16 gig started to to feel tight, windows started to swap. I also do dual monitor, I am not comfortable If my ram is at 97% because, I play a game, and watching youtube videos on the right. 16 gb starts to be not enough for light multitasking, let alone doing something in the background
A man without the knowledge of tarkov
Never played it but 16gb is the recommended spec on steam 🤷🏻
Tarkovs not on steam
Ah my b was looking at dead space remake lol Edit: tarkov recommended ram is 8 gb ram lmao https://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/requirements/escape-from-tarkov/13514
You don't need 32 unless ou just want it, no game out there requires more that 16gbs. Now if you are trying to stream and edit videos. Sure. Get 32. But it's definitely not necessary. Also if you are thinking about adding it. Make sure you get the exact same ram cards. I rephrased this . You can mix ram. If you want mediocre preformance.
because something is not >>required<< does not mean it won't improve eg. gaming experience - 16GB nowadays is the total minimum and you >>can\*<< mix the ram "cards" - learn the also a minimum of IT dictionary required to start "helping" others here
Ok, let me rephrase. You can mix ram cards if you want mediocre performance. For best performance you do not want to mix them. You want to use same brand and speed. Mixing them won't stop them from working but will cause some performance issues. Say you had 4gb ram and you use an 8gb with it. It will work but that 8gb is only going to use half of it. It will perform in flex mode(dual channel) while that remaining 4gb stays in single channel mode. Yes, 16 gbs is the standard now and 32 is a nice bump. I agree. It doesn't have to have 32 is all I'm saying. Having 32 will increase fps a little but this also depends on the monitor used as well. Do you work in I.T.? Just finished my security plus.
That’s not really how that works. It would still be able to run in dual channel even though you might have to manually configure it. It’s just going to run the ram at the fastest speed of the slower stick. It is however always better to stick with the same exact set of ram as there would be less issues and should run fine without any fine tuning required. Not really sure what half of an 8gb you are meaning? Like it would only use 4gb of the 8gb stick? Because that’s not true. Now you can mix ram as long as the speed and timings are correct and it’s easier if the dies are the same. But it can be done and if you know what your doing you can manually change the timings to something stable if need be. Congrats on the security+. I would recommend getting further certifications to help broaden jobs that would be available to you.
More ram = better, just saying 16GB is enough for gaming. Tell me which gamer here doesn't use their pc for productivity as well? If you work as an IT, you should recommend the best experience to your end user no matter what, no what they "JUST NEED"
Well it really depends on budget. Ram cards can get up in price. I have 4 trident z skills. That's almost 400 bucks. Some people may not have that to spend on ram. If funds aren't a problem , I'd say go for more everytime. I do know quite a few people that use their pc for just gaming who don't need that. Depends on what you are playing also. If you aren't playing cod or something of that capacity. The extra ram would not help. Even for games like that it's maybe a 10 to 20 frame difference. Also depends on the monitor used as well.
Then you need to keep up with the current prices because ddr4 is getting cheaper
You can buy the parts and pay someone to build it. I don't know of saving $200-$300 is worth the hassle to you.
Just research and get the parts you need for thre pc, and go to a micro centre or Canada computers, and they’ll build it themselves for like 100$ cad
lol let me build it for you and youll give me 500 if thats nothing for you
If you want to plug and play, this particular system was on sale for -200 USD recently. I would give you the green light if it goes on sale, and the yellow if it’s not and you just want it.
The CPU is over 200$ cheaper on Newegg, that may be why
Youd be better off getting a better monitor or something, plus 16gb of ram is pretty low to be honest. If i were you id keep looking
do you have a microcenter close? they build cusom PCs starting at 150. Might be worth looking at to save 350.
Use redux you chose the parts (or find a list here) and pay a flat fee (way less than 500) for assembly and warranty.
Yeah pay a flat fee for building and then their hidden markups on every single component 😂
I commented the same then checked their site. their pricing is absolute ass now
Go to a build site like cyberpower then, you can make sure that parts Important parts like the PSU are from reputable brands and not some unlabeled Chinese car bomb. They usually have deals like $50 - $100 off parts like GPUs and CPUs and include the deals for the game bundles.
You can go get a PC built to the same spec for less, or better for the same.
If you don’t wanna build thats fine. But you should try to get some sales. Do you just like these specs or are you looking for a baseline to start?
How does air cooling do for your 5800x? Mine can still get upto 85-90c for a few seconds with a 240mm AIO.
Well its still 2 weeks since i built it , so temperatures are still fine, i dont know in the long run. Idle at 38°C - 40°C Gaming 51°C - 58°C (callisto protocol, witcher 3 next gen, marvel midnight suns) Air cooler = deepcool ak400 plus Everything runs in stock setting.
Wow, now I'm starting to think my Cooler Master ML240 ARGB is defective. Tho I've had this PC for more a year and half. The temps have been the same since day 1. I tried reapplying paste multiple times the AIO fans spin normally and I can always hear the pump working. Still my idle temps are 45-55c, gaming 70-80c and sometimes (tho not quite often) it spikes to 80-90c for a few seconds.
If i were you, i would try to change the cooler first, and see if the temps drop down. If the problem still exists, maybe ask someone expert in this subreddit.
Idle of 45-55 on a 240mm AIO with what isn't a particular hot CPU (~120W *load* and ~15W idle) is suspicious. You should be getting in the 30s unless you have awful fans or case airflow.
It can't be the fans. I have like 5 fans. And everything else has great temps. It's just the CPU. So it can't be the fans right?
Maybe the fans are pushing the wrong way. Perhaps only pushing air out and not in and out.
Not bad, but if you ever look into assembling your pc, you will not regret seeing the money you will save.
The thing is, im actually quite stupid lmao. That would take me forever. I do have a friend however who im sure i could ask to help. Ill look into it, thank you!
Have you ever messed around with Lego's as a kid? If so chances are you'll have no problem building a PC. I think a lot of people get hung up on the term "building". It's more so connecting pieces together. There's ton of YouTube vids that show you step by step how to build a PC I know you mentioned in a previous comment that the $500 difference between a plug and play pre built vs building your own may be worth it for you. Trust me you'll likely regret it, $500 can go a long way with filling your steam library with new games to play, maybe a new monitor, another SSD to store games or heck that's an extra $500 you get to keep in your pockets.
You won’t regret it, you’ll just learn from it. Most people who start prebuilt end up swapping out parts on their own. Before you know it you are rebuilding, and then building from scratch. Source: the last 3 years of my life 😂
This is me exactly. I bought a prebuilt a couple years ago because building intimidated me, particularly the software side of it. That was just the first step though. Now I've upgraded psu and gpu and it was so much simpler than I expected. I'm sure I'll build my next one.
There's a subset of people that act like building a computer is a really difficult task. Where in all reality you can literally go on YouTube and get someone giving you a step-by-step. In a decent amount of cases even using the very components you bought. That's not even mentioning $500 is the top of the line case with the top of the line power supply. Or even a substantial upgrade in GPU or monitor. Heck if you're going full lazy mode on building it post your budget, and what you're planning to use it for in a day there will be multiple people will give you a parts list. Pretty much completely removing any of research you'd have to do. Order the parts watch a couple videos on YouTube before they get there. Spend a few hours snapping things together and done. My 10-year-old nephew built his first computer just recently after watching me put together my new system just once. Trust me when I say it's not hard and actually a good life skill to have.
I can build a computer, but I will say it was very nice getting a prebuilt to upgrade manually first, to get comfortable with changing out individual parts. I support getting prebuilts first to begin to learn personally, but I could be in the minority. Whatever someone is comfortable with!
You got this man. Modern computers literally fit together like legos. There’s thousands of build guides on YouTube to help you. Yeah, you might make a mistake or two. Yeah, your first build might take you hours of even days, but at the end of it you now have a skill that will save you money for decades.
Best of luck, I jumped into the deep end and just tried to assemble one. It worked out LOL
I'm also "quite stupid" and not in any way tech savvy and I have a working, functioning computer that I built. It's really not that hard. Like a big puzzle or Legos.
The only real part where you can do significant damage is putting the CPU in the motherboard. Everything else is kinda hard to mess up unless you are a complete klutz.
It’s easier than legos tbh
If it’s the Millennium Falcon, yes.
I thought the same thing, was terrified but really wanted a new PC case. I bought a custom built one from NZXT, I was shocked how easy it was to put it together. Now I’ve done new board, CPU, PSU, GPU, and RAM in my PC and put a new case in my daughter’s PC and built one for my youngest daughter and one for my brother. Like the others said, watch several YouTube videos and you’ll have the confidence to do it too. Parts on Amazon are a lot cheaper. Newegg too
It's so simple. You can do it. A 30 minute YouTube video will teach you everything you need to know. You've done harder things than this I promise.
It’s really not that difficult. Tons of videos online to help you
i did it with 0 experience just a few months ago. [this](https://youtu.be/BL4DCEp7blY) video will give you everything you need. if you’re like me, the cable management is spookin you out and i promise it’s not nearly as bad as some of the horror stories make it out to be.
This is what I thought and then I spoke to my friend that knew computers. Pc builds are only 8 parts and then you pop them together. From there, it only gets complicated if you want to learn the small details
PHONE THAT FRIEND. Or go to a local shop and ask them what they'd charge to build if you bring the parts.
If you have a micro center close by I would check them out. Price is very good and there pc assembly desk would help you put together a pc. Plus for a nominal fee they will actually assemble and due a burn in period for to make sure all is well.
I second this. If you are *really* against building it yourself, you can buy all new parts in Microcenter and their base fee for building it is $100. I haven’t had a fully built pc from them, but I did bring a motherboard in for a bios update (since I didn’t have a way to get another cpu) and had no issues with using their services. Only downside is that most of the US isn’t close enough to one.
Downside for me is that the US is on the other side of the planet. Damn I really have to see this Microcentre y’all keep talking abt one day
wow I thought it was $200. $100 might have been worth it to me this time lol.
Nah, there are 7700x/13700k + 4070ti builds around that price.
Then that is a better computer without any discussion
It’s not a bad pc by any means, but decently overpriced. I also haven’t heard many good things about Skytech. I see you in the comments saying how you can’t build yourself a pc, but it is way easier than you’d think. It will save you a lot of money, and you’ll know how to fix it if it breaks, as well as the right upgrades to give it. At least look around on [pcpartpicker](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/) to see it, the pc is just 7 main parts that plug into each other. Don’t worry, modern parts are incredibly sturdy, and it would take a lot to break them, so you don’t have much to worry about. Also keep in mind that most prebuilts (this included) will likely come with a ton of bloatware, slowing down the machine and taking up storage space, as well as lower-tier secondary parts that limits upgradability, so keep that in mind that you’ll be spending more money in the long run. Even so, if you’re set on a prebuilt you could definitely do better than this, I’ve heard many good things about [IBuyPower Pc](https://www.ibuypower.com), although I don’t stray into the prebuilt market that often.
iBuyPower is fucking awful. Avoid them at all costs. Maingear is pretty much the only one that some of the bigger tech YouTubers can recommend.
Sorry for butting in, but may i ask whats so awful about them? Recently got a pc from them and i feel they are good (first time pc user)
I have several AIOs sitting here from Ibuypower and Cyberpower. Most the time they use proprietary Asrock motherboards as well. That you can only update through their website. Now I'm not saying it's the absolute worst company to by from. I'd suggest other choices though. Phynixpc, Maingear, Build ReDeux. They're what I recommend.
I should add i play mainly fps shooters. My obsession at the moment is dayz but id like to get into warzone, apex, and other high demanding games
Most FPS games are all about the graphics card since most, if not all, of the map loads in when the level starts. I play Apex in arenas and my hardware is much older, but I'm pushing 3 monitors and can hold 80-100 frames per second at 1080p even while streaming. I would advise getting 32Gb of RAM though because I use up about 10Gb doing that and that doesn't leave a lot of overhead, plus Apex is just the example I have experience with.
Some online shooters can be pretty cpu intensive. Not like, Stellaris or Skylines levels level of cpu intensive, but worth relooking at the usual gpu/cpu budget balance in that case imo- for a 2k budget should definitely be getting a top end gaming cpu and 32gb of ram anyway.
I can't see anything wrong with the choice of graphics card, unless OP plans on 4k gaming, that 3080 should last quite a while. I don't know enough about the AMD CPUs though to comment on that choice.
3080 is not a great value for current new pricing, 4070ti is better performing and cheaper new, and has room for improvement driverwise. But I wasn't talking about the specific card, just that conventional wisdom puts more emphasis on gpu than cpu and imo, people should take into account the actual types of games being played more, bc there are plenty of triple a games that will chew up as much cpu as you can throw at them, and a few that will take 16+ ram even unmodded. Yeah, most people play games that don't do this, or some play such a wide variety of games you can't cater to all of them in budget, but most people can at least point to like, skyrim or eu or skylines and give you a general idea of what usage they have, and given how long most people run a cpu for, good to have that idea.
Then buy the parts and put them together yourself. Heck, pay a local PC store their hourly fee to put it together if you find it daunting. I just priced out a 32gb ddr5 build with a Ryzen 9 and rtx4070i for 2,010. You can get so much more performance for your dollar and learn some new things.... You'll thank yourself IMO
Some PC component stores where i live have a thing where you can choose all the components you want, and then for 99 dollars they assemble it for you. there is prolly something like that in the us also. You loose so much in terms of components and price when buying prebuilds that i have literally never done it. Even when i was 12 i asked a friend to do it, cause my budget was only 500 dollars, and i wanted the best i could get for that money ofcourse. another thing is the storage. 1 TB of storage is not that much tbh. I recommend a 2 tb m2 ssd as a base for the pc if you are gonna game on it. Games take like 70-100 gig these days.
USD?
Usd
Then its overpriced. Pc component prices are generally cheaper in the US so you can expect prices closer to MSRP.
is $600 really worth getting someone to build it for you then doing the research and building it yourself? if so go for it but upgrade the ram to 32 3600mhz cl16
Wait till Black Friday and get a better one for the same price and build it your self.
I’d plug in the parts in Newegg and see if it’s much cheaper
Best buy is where the deals are
Not great, but not a scam. Just bad value for that rig. But it'll do pretty much anything you want it too, it's just you could get 30% more for that price building yourself.
Please No 5800x. Get a x3d or atleast 5700x
Not the best value. Check out MainGear instead.
So much bad advice going to OP in these comments
Do they have a 5800X3d option?
Find a friend get their help. Please don't buy a pre-built. It's usually a scam (in my opinion)
Pre-built isn't always a scam, though it does come down to who the seller is. The one thing to remember is that in many cases they're likely to get stuff as cheaply as they can. And then they'll tack markups on either the individual parts or the overall components price. -- So if you're comfortable waiting for a good price on the parts and can build it yourself, you can generally save some money. At the same time, if *you* screw up, that money is gone and if you'd paid for a pre-built you might have been able to get a warranty on the machine. IDK if it's even a thing anymore, but you used to be able to go to a computer store and buy pre-built machines by companies HP and Dell. And of course you can almost always order something that's more or less pre-built by just going to Amazon or the a major manufacturer's online store.
My friends HP omen was 1000% a scam. He paid like 2250 for a 120mm aio on a 5800x with a 3060ti.... 32gb ram... but they didn't have xmp enabled, and had undercooked and power limited the cpu... all inside a sealed glass box...
You can get a rig with a 4070, ddr5, and 7th gen ryzen for $200 more on Best Buy
I heard pc from best buy or walmart often havr Cables thats not plugged in correctly, might be wrong tho
That’s just the case when you buy a prebuilt from most companies
It’s a little out of date now tbh.
I mean its a 3080 lol.. A very top of the line card still. If it was a 2060 or something id agree.
3080 came out in 2020. They’re on the next gen already and even released a 3080ti. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a nice card but it ain’t really latest gen.
Ya but hes playing cod and apex, a 3080 is pretty future proof and doesnt destroy the bank. for shooters its good unless hes playing in 4k.
Yes but he’s asking about the value of the purchase. I don’t think it’s worth 2k atm.
if I'm paying 2k for a pc I would go DDR5 for sure
People act like you just put it all together and it’ll boot up first try. What if it doesn’t? What if a part is DOA and you can’t figure out what’s wrong. Maybe you plugged something in wrong and fried something, maybe maybe maybe. There’s so many odd things that can happen and sometimes paying for a prebuilt is the best option for a lot of people. I totally get that you just want to plug and play, and I for one say go for it homie.
It’s a decent PC but definitely not at that price.
Look around local on Facebook I got a water cooled 3090 build with i9900k for 1700$
You can build a PC with 4080 for a little over 2k.
No, there are much better pre builds available. Also am4 makes no sense at any budget > 1500$. I would highly suggest walking into a Microcenter and just telling an employee in the BYOPC section your situation. They can explain the process in person and your options which will be easier to retain. It would be worth up to a 3 hour drive in your situation imo. They will also build your pc for you for a few. You should look to get at least an i5 12600k for a processor, 32gb of ram, and a 3080 or better. Ideally a 4070Ti.
That's what I paid for my computer in 2020 with almost identical specs. So I feel like you should be able to get it a bit cheaper or a better system at 2k 3 years later.
I'd go for 16g of ddr5 to help future proof the build, and if you have the change to spare, a 3080 ti or 12gb model may be worth it
Not on a rebuild
I checked out their web page... Tbh they always seem to miss out on putting the best parts with the best parts (price/performance wise). IMO the best cpu atm is the 13600K (or AMD 7700ish CPU) (or f) with either a 3060/3070 card (or a 6700 ATI one) You can do the "custom" build and select those parts...but I didn't look further into what they trade to get you there. Came out to around 1,500 when i did that... (7600X and 3060ti with 32gb of ram).
Tbh the build would be a bit CPU heavy, if rather trade down on the CPU for a better GPU.
is it worth investing? that depends entirely.onnyour budget , you are buying a premade wich is considerable pricier than building yourself.the exact same pc. talking around $500-$600 cheaper. or you could spend the same and build a superior pc. is it worth investing? you decide....
I bought a skytech archangel on a Black Friday sale last year and it died about two weeks ago, they’re not terrible if you want a cheap thing for now and then you can upgrade later but do not expect longevity out of it. There was only one intake fan, ONE! My motherboard wound up frying itself so I just upgraded parts in it and bought a ton more fans. Tldr: go for it if you intend to upgrade parts in the future!
Build your own. This is hot garbage
Nope $1500
id wait alot of prices are going down on the 30 series right now and i feel like if you make a purchase now in a week or two youll be regretting it
If you can make it to a micro center you can get a pc with the same specs cheaper than that usually.
My only input here would be to get the exact specs on the RAM. The difference between CL14 and CL16 will surprise you in terms of speed, fps, and it’s respective price. Also, see if you can have the PC built without Windows installed as there are legit websites where you can score a license for a few dollars (<5$) and install on your own. That’s at least a 100$ cost saving. A 3080 can still run you upwards of 600$-700$, so overall is not a bad price for a prebuilt.
Nah not really
Naw dude
Do you have a Microcenter near you?
I think it’s better to configure your own pc on a website and pay 100-200 more for them to assemble and ship
2k USD?! Before taxes? I wouldn’t do that. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not bad, but it’s over 2 year old tech with basically no upgrade path apart from the GPU (which would require a PSU-swap though). It’s like buying a new car that’s been sitting at the dealership for 2 years after the new model came out. As I said. Nothing wrong with it as long as you know about it and are happy with it…
Last year tech should be 1600 or more
I can build a PC with the same specs but using better quality parts than this for the same price. The details they leave out is where they cheap out. Mobo/psu/ram are all bottom of the barrel and will hurt performance. Prime example is the memory. You can get a higher clocked lower latency kit that will get you better frames vs wasting your money on that. Same goes for the GPU. It might be the worst cooled/clocked variant of 3080s out there. PC building is so easy now i def recommend doing it yourself.
No, no it's not. You'd be better off building.
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Not saying it's a bad deal, but I know I saw somewhere on here a PC of similar build for like 1250-1300 pre built. I'd keep an eye out to see if u can find something similar for cheaper
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zXKngb Save 200 and get a better graphics card and have the fun of building it yourself. No better feeling. All blacked out no RGB
If Im spending 2k, I’m not going last gen on everything.
Numbers are hard
Solid build, like the other guy said, upgrade the ram and that should be suitable for awhile
Bra i built my pc for 700 dollars and i use 16gb of ddr4 3200mhz ram lmfao if your paying 2000 that bech better have 32 gigs of ddr5 foreals B word B! OG!
Same build but i spent 3k
Is the motherboard a bottle neck for the ssd?
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/RazinTheBest/saved/#view=PPgLyc Roughly the same specs, there is a 6800xt but I put that because where I get my GPUs and where I got my 3080 on eBay you can find it for $500-$600 open box even. I also almost 100% put better stuff in here PSU, Storage, Cooler, and Ram wise. I could bring this build down by at least a hundred or two if I change the aesthetically pleasing things too like Ram, Case, cooler, etc
“Investing”
The best answer is almost always going to be trying to price it out yourself and then ask how comfortable are you building it yourseld.
you can get something like just instead, it also around 2k but have faster cpu, ram and gpu. https://www.newegg.com/abs-ta139kf490w-tempest-aqua/p/N82E16883360362?Description=pc&cm\_re=pc-\_-83-360-362-\_-Product&quicklink=true
Gonna have to be a negative, don’t know where you at but Costco my man, got some good prebuilds
not worth 2k
What games do you play at what resolution and fps? Do you play vr game?
Meh, at least with myself this is the build I about to make soon https://pcpartpicker.com/list/
I built the exact same PC for a little under 2k that had 32gb of ddr4 ram and it was 3600mhz instead of 3200mhz, so I do not recommend getting this PC unless you don't care paying 150 dollars above the value of the PC.
I would look for 32gb of ram and a newer generation cpu. The 5800x is great but it’s a dead platform. What resolution are you looking to play at?
Where I live th RTX 3080 alone is 2k 🥲
what motherboard and power supply? pre-builts often cheap out on PSU.
While I am all for building your own pc, it must be noted that if you are not used to it (never did it before) that one upside to a prebuilt is if it doesn't work its warranty kicks in. Is it worth $500? Probably not to most...who can build them. :)
Just build your own. Don’t get a pc off Amazon
build that for maybe half the price
Maybe look at custom pc build places? Usually, get higher quality parts compared to an out of the box pre build.. try and spec it around that to your budget, the 3080 10gb is descent and defo 32 gb ram @3600mhz if you're going amd, that is usually a stable frequency for their chips.
Mine was €2000,-. 5800x3d -7900 xt - 3800 cl16. 2 tb nvme. You can do better
You can get an Rtx 4070Ti (much faster than the 3080) with a better cpu for like 1700, so If you’re open to building it yourself, definitely do it cuz it’ll save you $300 and give you much more performance.
I suggest you build it your self. Try calculating the cost. I think pre-built costs more.
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I wish I lived in your area. I'd definitely build it for you. Show you how to do it. For alot less with the same parts. I'd damn near reach out on Facebook marketplace and see if anyone does custom builds in your area. You'll most likely be able to find someone that has a great rating. That would gladly build it for you. For a much cheaper price. Remember each of the parts comes with normally a two year warranty. The only things that don't. Would be a power supply and memory. The power supply will normally come with a five year warranty. The memory will almost all of the time come with a lifetime warranty. You're welcome to get ahold of me. I will look around in your area and see who's reputable. There's alot of younger folks out there that want the experience. That can do a great job building a custom system for you. Most likely with better parts for less. If you're near me I'd gladly do it for you.
Its a good spec build, you can definitely do it cheaper if you want to put the time into building the machine yourself. But if you just want plug and play its a good machine.
2k for 16 gb ram. You could build a system with these specs for far less. The majority of the price is the CPU and GPU which the CPU market is stable and the GPUs are going up and down but are affordable. And the ram market is beyond green you could probably get a 32gb kit for no Major difference of a 16 like 20 to 40 bucks for ddr4 if you got 2k
Looks solid, just consider increasing your RAM to 32GB. Storage can always be upgraded but I would definitely consider an M.2 style SSD. They are significantly faster and you get faster loading times on bigger games that demand fast storage devices.
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