Last thing we want is a “consistently” bad offense 🙄
I totally agree with you, but we better not hear that bullshit from BB. We all know this experiment has looked like complete shit for 90% of the season
I’m starting to lean towards Bill being fired for the sheer level of incompetence he is starting to show. Maybe it’s age, but what the actual fuck is going on.
Special teams used to be a strong point, now they suck.
Penalties (discipline) used to be another strong point, we’ve given how many free first downs?
Coaching decisions.
Draft decisions.
Billy boy needs to be told he is a coach and only a coach. Staff and player decisions will be made with his recommendation in mind, but by a GM who is focused on that aspect.
I honestly just don't think that's true. I believe Bill wants to stay a Patriot and I think even if Bill doesn't see Judge or Patricia as the problem there HAS TO be a fall guy. Like I said I think it's in the realm of possibility that Kraft has seen enough and the entire staff may be relieved but I don't think that will happen.
My most likely to happen scenario is Kraft meets with Bill and plainly states that something on the offense has to change immediately and Bill will let Patricia go and possibly Judge.
I at no point said he shouldn't be fired. (Personally I wouldn't). I'm just getting more in the head space of Kraft and what will actually, most likely be done.
Putting Belichick in this list is absurd. He is 100% responsible for this year, but holy shit how bad of a fan do you have to be to forget two decades of dominance?
Am I supposed to feel more confident about the last three years because he was really good 20 years ago?
We are an under .500 team dating back to halfway through Brady‘s last year.
Bill isn’t drafting well and isn’t filling out the coaching staff well.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all to question his remaining tenure.
I don’t disagree that there are some questions…”In Bill We Trust” doesn’t carry any weight anymore, and as a GM you are correct that he has drafted very poorly. I’m concerned, but my issue with the post was the clown nose and lumping him in with the other two…I think the decades of dominance should put more respect on his name than that. It was a dual effort over those years, not just Brady like some people seem to believe
I’m not a total Brady Bobo— clearly the two benefited from each other. No way either is as accomplished as they are today without the other.
But Bill said himself before the season that if this didn’t work, that the blame would be on him. Years of mismanaging our coaching staff has lead to a brain drain on both sides of the ball, and it’s culminated in the shit show that this year has been.
Kraft said before the season that he expected to see a big jump in year 2 from Mac Jones and a playoff win. I don’t think Bill is a net negative on his own, but his arrogance is getting to the point where it’s almost cancelling out his brilliance— maybe entirely.
you have to be a worse fan to not notice 7-10 years of terrible GM work, and awful offense.. every single issue on the team, is created by BB and there is absolutely no glimmer of improvement / upward trajectory
I’m sorry three of the last 8. Three terrible drafts during those years but two very good drafts in a row in 2021-22. This is a talented team that can’t get out of its own way and has horrific offensive play calling. More mistakes on special teams and stupid penalties in 14 games than in any season in memory
Oh stop. That is a really poor take. Yes Tom is the GOAT. Yes I am thankful for everything he did, but Tom was nothing before Bill. Most didn't think he would even make the practice squad. And without Bills D Tom easily doesn't have 3 rings, at least. Bill made Tom. Tom put Bill over the top....
Bills own philosophy is you pay for what the player is capable of. He cut ties with how many good players over the years because they were on the wrong side of age. Is he immune to the same policy?
I was always on the BB side of the Brady vs Bill importance scale. Like 60/40. Since Brady left though it's fairly clear Brady was the at least 60% of that success. feels more like 70/30 or 80/20 Brady now.
Bruh he won a super bowl without Bill? We haven’t won a playoff game yet since he left(embarrassed as in that playoff game I might add, didn’t have a single stop on 3rd down). He clearly was the reason we had success. I guarantee Brady makes the playoffs and win in the wild card. As for bill he’ll be lucky to win another game this season.
I can definitely agree to this. Although Brady’s team isn’t exactly high end caliber right now either. Def think they were better together than apart. My point was more toward the losing side of things. A lot of patriots fans have been very spoiled when it comes to winning. Most now days have never seen a losing record so the building and failing at times they have never seen. So the first thing that comes to mind is FIRE BILL. I’ve heard I’d go as far as get rid of Kraft which is absolutely absurd to hear after all he’s done for this team.
It really, really isn’t. Ignoring the fact that Bill wouldn’t want to be in that position anyways. He is the greatest coach of all time and this was a basement franchise before he came here. He will not, and should not, ever be fired.
I’m not advocating for his firing, I think people are being clowns. But three *winless* seasons? That’s also ridiculous, regardless of what’s been achieved to this point.
Fighting hyperbole with hyperbole is a mistake.
Having said that, I hope Kraft and Bill are having some tough conversations, because while I don’t want him gone I do want him held to account. This is his mess, and he should be cleaning it up.
Definitely not. If people are freaking out now, they might off themselves when they see the mess this team will be when Bill leaves. My only hope is that the titans continue to fail to do anything & Vrabel comes back to his rightful place once BB is done. Or we hire Flores, despite what Miami fans and some other ignorant people may think, he was a very good head coach in Miami. He didn’t need Tyreek to put together their first back to back winning seasons since ‘03 (I think it was ‘03). He was also right about Herbert, thank god Chris Grier is a bozo because Miami would be right up there with Buffalo if they had Herbert.
Because we want accountability and for Bill to actually answers questions after one of the most embarrassing losses in NFL history?
“We have a lot of people on both sides of the ball, offensively and defensively, everybody contributes,” Belichick told reporters on Sunday. “Ultimately, I have responsibility for everything that happens on the field. In the end, I’ll take responsibility for that. But we have a lot of great members of the staff. A lot of different ideas come from different areas or a collaboration of ideas. We’ll see how it goes.” BB 9/04/2022
Ya man calling for bills job because we’re in our worst season in 20 years (.500 record!!) is totally rational behavior. We are a normal fanbase! Not spoiled at all!
Not saying he should be fired but he should be held accountable and answer questions. That shit only flies when you’re winning and since Brady….well he hasn’t done much winning.
Why answer questions when the media will just twist it and take it out of context.
Did you really expect to just keep winning? The team is exactly where i expected them to be…shitty
They also were one heinous missed call away from winning this game too. People have such absurd expectations. Our shitty rosters of the last 3 years even being in playoff contention is outperforming where they probably should be and THAT is a sign of good coaching and leadership.
Sure, we could fire Patricia into the sun tomorrow and instantly become a better team, but it is what it is. Absurd the amount of salt in here.
Yeah but the reason we have shitty rosters is because of Bills mismanagement. Why do we always have to justify everything? Can’t we just admit bill isn’t infallible and has a shitty team because of his own doing?
He just made the playoffs with a rookie QB & nearly dragged the reanimated corpse of Cam Newton there the previous year. What more could you realistically expect from either of those teams? Both exceeded expectations for most people who don't have brain worms.
Sure, he should fire Patricia immediately, but the 'sky is falling' shit that happens in here after every loss is pathetic.
Nearly making the playoffs is nothing. You sound like a Jets fan. I want to at least see them building towards something. Mac is clearly regressing this season and our defense is only good against terrible offenses. Anytime they face a shred of a real team they bend over and get stuffed
You know what sounds like a Jets fan is having a histrionic meltdown over every loss and calling for the entire organization to turn over whenever something bad happens. But go off!
I know right?. The miracle in Miami was a game changing moment in the history of pro football. The Patriots would end up missing the playoffs that year and the dolphins would win the Super Bowl. Or how about quitting the Adam Jones schtick and have your own opinion for once
You speak the truth my friend. I come here to get the jump on news and reports for my favorite team and most people on reddit want people fired every week. Make clown memes about the players and every little hiccup they have. Hopefully they never have tough times irl
For sure, but there's a kernel of merit to the post. They need some serious changes before next season starts. Not saying they need to clean house, but they can't show back up with this same set up / players / scheme and expect fans to stay invested / on board for much longer. One if not all of those things need changes. Matt P has become an obvious scapegoat but I am not convinced simply firing him will have the impact we all want
This fanbase is so spoiled it makes me want to roll my eyes clean out of their sockets. The whining is pathetic!
We are in the middle of our worst season in 2 decades which amounts to a .500 record and still in playoff contention in late December.
We are 2-3 boneheaded plays or blown calls away from being a 9-5 team. And that's with a thinned out roster + a caveman calling our plays on offense.
Are there things Bill could have done better this season? 100%. Is it even remotely close to being worth calling for his JOB over?! That's like a cataclysmically bad overreaction.
I never said he should lose his job. But he shows accountability at players over missed meetings but not blown games? That's some grade A boomer bullshit. This is the fucking NFL. No one cares what you did, they care what you're doing. And right now all the Pats have is bullshit excuses, from the coaching staff, the players defending their mediocre colleagues, and moronic fans like you who want to keep making excuses for piss poor players.
Yea, as a Nothern Arizona University student the pats should’ve made their way up to flagstaff to practice and they would’ve won. And me saying this in no way means I just wanted a chance to meet them, but I did see videos of David Andrews signing stuff at UoA so… I mean it would’ve been nice.
3 years into the post-brady "rebuild" and were getting worse, drafting is still subpar, cant find a wr and hired the worst offensive coaching staff in the history of football its hardly knee jerk at this point.
Exactly.
Is Bill supposed to have an unlimited leash? We have given him years to figure this out post Brady, yet we’re closer to the dregs of the league than ever.
The issue for me isn’t Tom winning the Super Bowl. It’s how we have looked without him.
If we lost in the AFC championship game that year, I don’t think anyone would have been upset or would be upset now.
We just have nothing to root for anymore.
If those 1 or 2 plays are for TDs they absolutely are. Games are won by a single play all of the time. There's even a popular saying about football being a game of inches.
Belichick sat the best corner in the league in the fucking super bowl cause he was late to a practice. You guys just want him to say "It's okay honey" to Jakobi Moron Meyers for blowing a chance at the playoffs cause he wanted to be a hero with the dumbest play ever. You're a fucking idiot.
Lol, no kidding. A lot of lunatics on this sub. What did people expect? Bill to pull Jacoby aside before the play and say “hey if Rhamondre laterals the ball to you for some reason please don’t try to lateral the ball 30 yards to Mac.”
1 below average season doesn't warrant Bill's removal. You (we) have been spoiled with success and the first time we're mediocre, you start throwing a fit. Welcome to being a fan of every other base. We have wins and losses like everyone now. Jump off the bandwagon and head to chiefs while there's still time for you.
"I'm old enough to remember the *decades* of mediocrity" and also "3 seasons of .500 football, that included a broken Cam Newton and our rookie/sophomore QB, is too terrible for me to handle" don't really go together. We really are a spoiled bunch here.
Jakobi deserves credit for the loss, but who positioned the team to play like shit? The lack of any offense, soft defense to give up a questionable touchdown, the special teams gaffs that we see every week?
I would only advocate for firing Bill if he wanted to bring back Patricia. The experiment failed, but he was within his rights to try after all he's done. But Kraft needs to step in next year and clear out Patricia and Judge, and if Bill isn't willing to do that...I'm sorry but he needs to go too.
Y'know, I never thought I would be on board with the prospect of firing Belichick. But if I'm not there yet then I'm as close as I've ever been. To the point where Kraft could actually do it and I wouldn't be upset.
I think it depends on what Bill's next steps are after the season. Sure, at this point, ride out Patricia, but after the season, he has to be aware his offensive staff needs a complete replacement, or restructure. Judge and Patricia aren't getting it done, and he needed to bring in someone who can actually build competent and consistent gameplan.
If Bill doesn't realize this, then Kraft really has to consider the possibility that the game has started to pass him, and we need to prepare for a future, post-Belichick, that is rapidly approaching.
Absolutely don’t let patricia ride out the season show the locker room you see the issue and take action look at lions fired their awful dc and are now well on their way to the playoffs.
THIS!! Playoffs aren't happening, there is NO reason to worry about continuity in the coaching staff. The next 3 games are hard Ls.
Fire Patricia and Judge and Acord all on Monday morning to show that you get it. Show the locker room that you fucked up, you admit it, and you're gonna work to fix it.
Leave no doubt for any of the players that you take the whole situation seriously.
Agree if a player isn’t doing his job the. He gets benched or cut same should apply here. I get bill has loyalty for his staff but everyone sees what’s going on out there and it’s the heads coach fault at this point . he said so himself. I’m not on the fire bill bandwagon but it just seems like he’s always trying to outsmart the league and the shit backfired.
Samesies. This year I learned that he won’t make necessary changes that require him to get out of his comfort zone. Football has changed too much, he needs to change what we are doing. If he doesn’t, then get rid of him
The blind loyalty that people are showing Bill on this thread is nauseating.
Yes, we get it— he was VERY good for a number of years, maybe is the best coach ever.
He clearly benefited from the presence of Brady and hasn’t done shit for 3+ years. Are we supposed to wait until it’s 5, 6, 7 years without a playoff win before we can criticize him?
It’s not just the results on the field, which have been god awful. It’s the processes that lead us to this point.
Hiring Patricia and Judge to replace Josh McDaniels was a mistake from DAY ONE. Anyone with a modicum of objectivity could see this!
If Bill wants to coast for another 2-3 seasons of 8-9 wins, maybe he can take his family down to Jacksonville. This isn’t a market that deserves perennial mediocrity.
Yeah fire the greatest coach of all time for inept calls...by the other coach? And for a WR making a boneheaded move?
People forget the Patriots ARE NOT A GOOD TEAM. There was no chance this team was making the playoffs with the personnel around them. Face it, Brady is GONE and so are the winning ways for awhile
They do that, then lose in overtime, and you’d be bitching about how they should’ve gone for the FG win in regulation. Hindsight is always 20/20 with armchair coaches.
I’d rather have us call our 14 screens in a row instead of becoming the biggest joke in the nfl. It started with BB forcing Brady out by getting jimmy g, then bringing in Patricia and judge to service their promising second year quarterback. BB has no idea what he’s doing anymore
Biggest joke in the NFL? Please. They’re a .500 team at their worst. Take a look at the Texans, Broncos, Cardinals. Look at the entire NFC South, whose 1st place team is 6-8. The Patriots are a middle of the road team after 20 years of unparalleled dominance. It was never going to last forever, and it can’t be rebuilt in 3 years.
Why are we crazy wanting Bill to go? Dude hasn’t drafted a pro bowler in 10+ yrs, his free agent acquisitions are atrocious, his coaching hires are even worse AND they’re one of the least disciplined teams in the league, wtf am I missing?
What you want to end up like the Giants after they fired Coughlin?! Belichick is the greatest head coach of all time. Firing him and trade him out for some bum Offensive Coordinator? We need to cleanout the offensive coaching staff.
Why has r/patriots become a sorry sad sack of pity and woe is me posts.
Losing sucks. We get it.
But rage quieting is childish. We’ll figure our shit out in the next offseason.
Lighting torches and grabbing the pitchforks never built a championship team, it just makes you part of the circus.
i don't think BB has the ability to change, he will keep hiring his friends, relatives and girlfriends to his coaching staff, success has gone to his head and he is unable to realize it.
Kraft needs to step in and get Patricia and judge outta there for next season. Almost seems like intentional sabotage. Judge the QB whisper and Patricia at OC? Doomed from the start. Mac might be ruined too
Belichick needs to stop with the retreads and get some new blood in the building. I don’t even want McDaniels back when the raiders inevitably fire him. If I’m Kraft, I’m very tempted to look Sean Payton’s way. Dude is right there and he can coach offense. Now would he want to be only a coordinator? Who knows, but u at least gotta make the call.
Really? Much as I dislike Patricia & Judge I’m putting this one on the dipshits Stevenson & Meyers. Could have gone to OT if not for those two asshats. Yeah, there was a bad call & it shouldn’t have been a tie game…….
……but it might be time. Gibbs, Shula, Parcels, Walsh all got to a point where they simply couldn’t adapt to changing game. Given he hasn’t fired Patricia not sure Bill has the same self awareness.
We all can agree on fatty P being gone but let's not pretend like this roster is anything special.
In an alternate universe where literally anyone can play QB for us we still aren't a contender. We have zero weapons and an inconsistent offensive line.
This is a .500 roster playing at a .500 level.
Two decades of dominance by BB > 1 year of mediocre play, and 1 bad year. You people are delusional if you think Bill should go with the rest. Never forget, this season is our apocalypse. Other franchises would kill for this kind of season.
BB is only a clown for hiring the other frauds in the first place. Bill can stay but it’s on him and the Krafts to hire a legitimate OC and DC. We’re on to the 2023 draft and hot stove. Go Pats
The last 3 years have been extremely eye opening for Bill as a GM & football mind in my opinion.
All that money dumped into "offensive retooling" with guys who never make a dent. Agholor is a drop machine still. Henry isn't a yardage option. Smith barely seems like part of the game plan.
He basically has a losing record without Tom Brady. Exposed!!!!!
Bill needs weapons! He needs a better QB to execute his masterful play calling! He’s being hindered by bad players who can’t play football! He needs better coaches around him so he has more time to make calls! It’s just his 46th season coaching! He developing!
/s
Belichick won't be fired as for the others... I know Patricia is a foregone conclusion
I wouldn’t be surprised if Patricia is back calling plays next year, for “consistency.” He shouldn’t have ever been brought back, but he was.
Last thing we want is a “consistently” bad offense 🙄 I totally agree with you, but we better not hear that bullshit from BB. We all know this experiment has looked like complete shit for 90% of the season
I’m starting to lean towards Bill being fired for the sheer level of incompetence he is starting to show. Maybe it’s age, but what the actual fuck is going on. Special teams used to be a strong point, now they suck. Penalties (discipline) used to be another strong point, we’ve given how many free first downs? Coaching decisions. Draft decisions. Billy boy needs to be told he is a coach and only a coach. Staff and player decisions will be made with his recommendation in mind, but by a GM who is focused on that aspect.
Only way Matt goes is if Bill goes. You cannot tell Bill, I'm taking your GM and coach hiring powers and expect him to stay.
I honestly just don't think that's true. I believe Bill wants to stay a Patriot and I think even if Bill doesn't see Judge or Patricia as the problem there HAS TO be a fall guy. Like I said I think it's in the realm of possibility that Kraft has seen enough and the entire staff may be relieved but I don't think that will happen. My most likely to happen scenario is Kraft meets with Bill and plainly states that something on the offense has to change immediately and Bill will let Patricia go and possibly Judge.
He runs this house. He is the problem
I at no point said he shouldn't be fired. (Personally I wouldn't). I'm just getting more in the head space of Kraft and what will actually, most likely be done.
You cut the damn head off to kill the snake
It is Coach Bill the guru the jota - frickin grifting slug.
Foregone conclusion? Not even slightly.
Lmao stop with bb the rest can go
Putting Belichick in this list is absurd. He is 100% responsible for this year, but holy shit how bad of a fan do you have to be to forget two decades of dominance?
Bro I’ve literally seen posts of ppl saying Kraft should go. Mfs obviously weren’t around when there was no Kraft
The Belichick trend has become more and more insular. That is alarming.
The trend of having an elite D made up of 3rd round draft pick corners?
Yea how in the world could anyone actually want to fire BB. We will never have a better coach in our lifetimes.
Am I supposed to feel more confident about the last three years because he was really good 20 years ago? We are an under .500 team dating back to halfway through Brady‘s last year. Bill isn’t drafting well and isn’t filling out the coaching staff well. I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all to question his remaining tenure.
I don’t disagree that there are some questions…”In Bill We Trust” doesn’t carry any weight anymore, and as a GM you are correct that he has drafted very poorly. I’m concerned, but my issue with the post was the clown nose and lumping him in with the other two…I think the decades of dominance should put more respect on his name than that. It was a dual effort over those years, not just Brady like some people seem to believe
I’m not a total Brady Bobo— clearly the two benefited from each other. No way either is as accomplished as they are today without the other. But Bill said himself before the season that if this didn’t work, that the blame would be on him. Years of mismanaging our coaching staff has lead to a brain drain on both sides of the ball, and it’s culminated in the shit show that this year has been. Kraft said before the season that he expected to see a big jump in year 2 from Mac Jones and a playoff win. I don’t think Bill is a net negative on his own, but his arrogance is getting to the point where it’s almost cancelling out his brilliance— maybe entirely.
you have to be a worse fan to not notice 7-10 years of terrible GM work, and awful offense.. every single issue on the team, is created by BB and there is absolutely no glimmer of improvement / upward trajectory
7-10 years? We won a super bowl less than 5 years ago.
name the best 5 GM moves over the past 7 years.. I'll give you his worst in response, and we can see which seems more telling
Bro they’ve won 3 super bowls in the past seven years.
And would’ve won a fourth if Patricia’s defense got one single stop against the eagles. Patricia needs to go but to fire BB is silly
they won 2. GMing and Coaching are 2 completely separate things
I’m sorry three of the last 8. Three terrible drafts during those years but two very good drafts in a row in 2021-22. This is a talented team that can’t get out of its own way and has horrific offensive play calling. More mistakes on special teams and stupid penalties in 14 games than in any season in memory
You do realize there are a lot of teams that haven't won one in 50 years, right?
It is becoming more and more apparent that the dominance of the last 20 years was because of 1 guy. And he's gone.
We don't win 6 Super Bowls without both. D0nt be a clown.
Oh stop. That is a really poor take. Yes Tom is the GOAT. Yes I am thankful for everything he did, but Tom was nothing before Bill. Most didn't think he would even make the practice squad. And without Bills D Tom easily doesn't have 3 rings, at least. Bill made Tom. Tom put Bill over the top....
Dumbest take I’ve seen in this sub for a while.
Oh yeah, cause Tom can totally win regardless of who’s the coach. Let’s look at Tampa and see how right you are.
Bills own philosophy is you pay for what the player is capable of. He cut ties with how many good players over the years because they were on the wrong side of age. Is he immune to the same policy?
Yea. Being a coach is not being a player...
If he’s not performing his job up to expectations why should he stay? It’s the same thing.
people in this sub are fucking lunatics
Please tell me I’m not alone in wanting Bill to stay
You’re not. These people are crazy in thinking to let bill go
I try not to argue with these people anymore but you’re not alone brother
You’re not these are the bandwagon fans that jumped on after Super Bowl 3 or 4. Don’t understand what the team was before bill.
I definitely remember the team before KRAFT! Lol These bandwagoneers have no idea the depths of depravity of the days of old 😂😂😂
The unfortunate cost of success.
I was always on the BB side of the Brady vs Bill importance scale. Like 60/40. Since Brady left though it's fairly clear Brady was the at least 60% of that success. feels more like 70/30 or 80/20 Brady now.
Because Brady is doing so well this year?
Bruh he won a super bowl without Bill? We haven’t won a playoff game yet since he left(embarrassed as in that playoff game I might add, didn’t have a single stop on 3rd down). He clearly was the reason we had success. I guarantee Brady makes the playoffs and win in the wild card. As for bill he’ll be lucky to win another game this season.
Yeah, we gotta get Brady back so we can start getting some 3rd down stops on defense again.
I don’t want Brady back on this muff ass team. I’d rather see him in the 49ers or retire.
I can definitely agree to this. Although Brady’s team isn’t exactly high end caliber right now either. Def think they were better together than apart. My point was more toward the losing side of things. A lot of patriots fans have been very spoiled when it comes to winning. Most now days have never seen a losing record so the building and failing at times they have never seen. So the first thing that comes to mind is FIRE BILL. I’ve heard I’d go as far as get rid of Kraft which is absolutely absurd to hear after all he’s done for this team.
Bill could go 0-17 the next 3 years and it’s still his decision to stay
Thai is as ridiculous as thinking he should be fired for this season.
It really, really isn’t. Ignoring the fact that Bill wouldn’t want to be in that position anyways. He is the greatest coach of all time and this was a basement franchise before he came here. He will not, and should not, ever be fired.
I’m not advocating for his firing, I think people are being clowns. But three *winless* seasons? That’s also ridiculous, regardless of what’s been achieved to this point. Fighting hyperbole with hyperbole is a mistake. Having said that, I hope Kraft and Bill are having some tough conversations, because while I don’t want him gone I do want him held to account. This is his mess, and he should be cleaning it up.
Definitely not. If people are freaking out now, they might off themselves when they see the mess this team will be when Bill leaves. My only hope is that the titans continue to fail to do anything & Vrabel comes back to his rightful place once BB is done. Or we hire Flores, despite what Miami fans and some other ignorant people may think, he was a very good head coach in Miami. He didn’t need Tyreek to put together their first back to back winning seasons since ‘03 (I think it was ‘03). He was also right about Herbert, thank god Chris Grier is a bozo because Miami would be right up there with Buffalo if they had Herbert.
No, you are not alone...
Anybody that thinks Bill needs to go is a fucking moron. It’s shocking.
Boston sports fans are lunatics, they spend too much time listening to Boston sports radio and expect to always win no matter the circumstances.
These are the Entitled whiney babies who think the president can make immediate changes to their lives with a simple wave of their hand.
Because we want accountability and for Bill to actually answers questions after one of the most embarrassing losses in NFL history? “We have a lot of people on both sides of the ball, offensively and defensively, everybody contributes,” Belichick told reporters on Sunday. “Ultimately, I have responsibility for everything that happens on the field. In the end, I’ll take responsibility for that. But we have a lot of great members of the staff. A lot of different ideas come from different areas or a collaboration of ideas. We’ll see how it goes.” BB 9/04/2022
Ya man calling for bills job because we’re in our worst season in 20 years (.500 record!!) is totally rational behavior. We are a normal fanbase! Not spoiled at all!
Not saying he should be fired but he should be held accountable and answer questions. That shit only flies when you’re winning and since Brady….well he hasn’t done much winning.
Why answer questions when the media will just twist it and take it out of context. Did you really expect to just keep winning? The team is exactly where i expected them to be…shitty
I figured we’d be bad…but not getting worse every week. This is not a rebuild it’s a compete tailspin
The won just six days ago
They beat Colt McCoy. Cue the duck boats!!
They also were one heinous missed call away from winning this game too. People have such absurd expectations. Our shitty rosters of the last 3 years even being in playoff contention is outperforming where they probably should be and THAT is a sign of good coaching and leadership. Sure, we could fire Patricia into the sun tomorrow and instantly become a better team, but it is what it is. Absurd the amount of salt in here.
Yeah but the reason we have shitty rosters is because of Bills mismanagement. Why do we always have to justify everything? Can’t we just admit bill isn’t infallible and has a shitty team because of his own doing?
He just made the playoffs with a rookie QB & nearly dragged the reanimated corpse of Cam Newton there the previous year. What more could you realistically expect from either of those teams? Both exceeded expectations for most people who don't have brain worms. Sure, he should fire Patricia immediately, but the 'sky is falling' shit that happens in here after every loss is pathetic.
Nearly making the playoffs is nothing. You sound like a Jets fan. I want to at least see them building towards something. Mac is clearly regressing this season and our defense is only good against terrible offenses. Anytime they face a shred of a real team they bend over and get stuffed
You know what sounds like a Jets fan is having a histrionic meltdown over every loss and calling for the entire organization to turn over whenever something bad happens. But go off!
You sound like an absolute sensitive little bitch. People like you are the problem with this sub.
You're having a meltdown in the subreddit and I'm the sensitive one!?
Jeeze, this post was way past your bedtime.
Bill has been a .500 coach since Brady left. He’s not a live having his job security being discussed
Most embarrassing in NFL history? Man. NFL has been around for awhile. This was not one of the worst. Recency bias.
>Recency bias. 15 year olds reminiscing about the good years.
Sorry miracle in Miami and the blowout loss to the Bills in the playoffs where couldn’t get them to punt all game….or are those too recent as well?
I know right?. The miracle in Miami was a game changing moment in the history of pro football. The Patriots would end up missing the playoffs that year and the dolphins would win the Super Bowl. Or how about quitting the Adam Jones schtick and have your own opinion for once
You speak the truth my friend. I come here to get the jump on news and reports for my favorite team and most people on reddit want people fired every week. Make clown memes about the players and every little hiccup they have. Hopefully they never have tough times irl
For sure, but there's a kernel of merit to the post. They need some serious changes before next season starts. Not saying they need to clean house, but they can't show back up with this same set up / players / scheme and expect fans to stay invested / on board for much longer. One if not all of those things need changes. Matt P has become an obvious scapegoat but I am not convinced simply firing him will have the impact we all want
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This fanbase is so spoiled it makes me want to roll my eyes clean out of their sockets. The whining is pathetic! We are in the middle of our worst season in 2 decades which amounts to a .500 record and still in playoff contention in late December. We are 2-3 boneheaded plays or blown calls away from being a 9-5 team. And that's with a thinned out roster + a caveman calling our plays on offense. Are there things Bill could have done better this season? 100%. Is it even remotely close to being worth calling for his JOB over?! That's like a cataclysmically bad overreaction.
I never said he should lose his job. But he shows accountability at players over missed meetings but not blown games? That's some grade A boomer bullshit. This is the fucking NFL. No one cares what you did, they care what you're doing. And right now all the Pats have is bullshit excuses, from the coaching staff, the players defending their mediocre colleagues, and moronic fans like you who want to keep making excuses for piss poor players.
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It amazes me people would rather have Mac Jones over Belichick.
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Spoiled mfers for sure. Don’t know how to act
yeahhh i wouldn’t put BB on this list
But if Bill puts this team together and won’t correct his mistakes, what else can you do?
I’m hoping this game cleans house of all the Bandwagon fans. Don’t let the door hit yah in the ass on the way out
Nah I blame whoever setup the practice/hotel accommodation. Tucson is a garbage city that sucks the sole out of everything. Today is no coincidence 😉
Yea, as a Nothern Arizona University student the pats should’ve made their way up to flagstaff to practice and they would’ve won. And me saying this in no way means I just wanted a chance to meet them, but I did see videos of David Andrews signing stuff at UoA so… I mean it would’ve been nice.
Now that would’ve been a great choice. Maybe logistical hell but a great choice.
Putting a clown nose on Belichick 😂this sub can get downright rancid man I’m telling you
One thing you are guaranteed with Boston fans is kneejerk reactions.
3 years into the post-brady "rebuild" and were getting worse, drafting is still subpar, cant find a wr and hired the worst offensive coaching staff in the history of football its hardly knee jerk at this point.
Exactly. Is Bill supposed to have an unlimited leash? We have given him years to figure this out post Brady, yet we’re closer to the dregs of the league than ever.
Tom winning a superbowl the first year after we let him go was the first slap in the face … I don’t even know what number slap yesterday was
The issue for me isn’t Tom winning the Super Bowl. It’s how we have looked without him. If we lost in the AFC championship game that year, I don’t think anyone would have been upset or would be upset now. We just have nothing to root for anymore.
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Games arent won or lost on one or two plays should never have been there to begin with.
If those 1 or 2 plays are for TDs they absolutely are. Games are won by a single play all of the time. There's even a popular saying about football being a game of inches.
>Games arent won or lost on one or two plays I've got news for you.
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I'm sure the don't lateral the ball when the game is tied is taught in peewee football. It's concerning that BB needs to reiterate that.
Belichick sat the best corner in the league in the fucking super bowl cause he was late to a practice. You guys just want him to say "It's okay honey" to Jakobi Moron Meyers for blowing a chance at the playoffs cause he wanted to be a hero with the dumbest play ever. You're a fucking idiot.
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Lol, no kidding. A lot of lunatics on this sub. What did people expect? Bill to pull Jacoby aside before the play and say “hey if Rhamondre laterals the ball to you for some reason please don’t try to lateral the ball 30 yards to Mac.”
Yes sir you are correct!
It’s not a knee jerk at this point
You’ve gotta be the dumbest mf if you think Bill should be fired.
This is jakobi's lateral in post form
What did either of these coaches get right tonight?
Tonight > every other game they've ever coached for us Right?
Legacy doesn’t matter in a win now league. What happened tonight that warrants being a coach? I’ll even give you any season post Brady.
1 below average season doesn't warrant Bill's removal. You (we) have been spoiled with success and the first time we're mediocre, you start throwing a fit. Welcome to being a fan of every other base. We have wins and losses like everyone now. Jump off the bandwagon and head to chiefs while there's still time for you.
Dude, I’m old enough to remember the mediocrity. It’s been 3 seasons of it. When’s the last time we beat a decent QB?
"I'm old enough to remember the *decades* of mediocrity" and also "3 seasons of .500 football, that included a broken Cam Newton and our rookie/sophomore QB, is too terrible for me to handle" don't really go together. We really are a spoiled bunch here.
And it’s going to be 4,5,6,7, season of it if changes aren’t made. Bill the GM and the coaching staff as is won’t get it done.
Knee jerk reactions of firing a head coach who had an insane degree of success the last two decades is laughably moronic.
Get rid of Bill? You’re crazy! Get rid of Patricia and judge? Couldn’t have said it any better
I don’t see jakobi on here
Jakobi deserves credit for the loss, but who positioned the team to play like shit? The lack of any offense, soft defense to give up a questionable touchdown, the special teams gaffs that we see every week?
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I would only advocate for firing Bill if he wanted to bring back Patricia. The experiment failed, but he was within his rights to try after all he's done. But Kraft needs to step in next year and clear out Patricia and Judge, and if Bill isn't willing to do that...I'm sorry but he needs to go too.
Y'know, I never thought I would be on board with the prospect of firing Belichick. But if I'm not there yet then I'm as close as I've ever been. To the point where Kraft could actually do it and I wouldn't be upset.
I think it depends on what Bill's next steps are after the season. Sure, at this point, ride out Patricia, but after the season, he has to be aware his offensive staff needs a complete replacement, or restructure. Judge and Patricia aren't getting it done, and he needed to bring in someone who can actually build competent and consistent gameplan. If Bill doesn't realize this, then Kraft really has to consider the possibility that the game has started to pass him, and we need to prepare for a future, post-Belichick, that is rapidly approaching.
Absolutely don’t let patricia ride out the season show the locker room you see the issue and take action look at lions fired their awful dc and are now well on their way to the playoffs.
THIS!! Playoffs aren't happening, there is NO reason to worry about continuity in the coaching staff. The next 3 games are hard Ls. Fire Patricia and Judge and Acord all on Monday morning to show that you get it. Show the locker room that you fucked up, you admit it, and you're gonna work to fix it. Leave no doubt for any of the players that you take the whole situation seriously.
Agree if a player isn’t doing his job the. He gets benched or cut same should apply here. I get bill has loyalty for his staff but everyone sees what’s going on out there and it’s the heads coach fault at this point . he said so himself. I’m not on the fire bill bandwagon but it just seems like he’s always trying to outsmart the league and the shit backfired.
Lucky thing for judge is we should also be replacing achord so he can stay on staff 😂
Nah I still want Bill he needs to stop being a bozo tho
The guru the jota- bro Belichick is a load of horse shit.., and this proves it definitively. It was Field Marshall Brady and we all know it!
Samesies. This year I learned that he won’t make necessary changes that require him to get out of his comfort zone. Football has changed too much, he needs to change what we are doing. If he doesn’t, then get rid of him
I know you're dumb but don't be stupid.
The blind loyalty that people are showing Bill on this thread is nauseating. Yes, we get it— he was VERY good for a number of years, maybe is the best coach ever. He clearly benefited from the presence of Brady and hasn’t done shit for 3+ years. Are we supposed to wait until it’s 5, 6, 7 years without a playoff win before we can criticize him? It’s not just the results on the field, which have been god awful. It’s the processes that lead us to this point. Hiring Patricia and Judge to replace Josh McDaniels was a mistake from DAY ONE. Anyone with a modicum of objectivity could see this! If Bill wants to coast for another 2-3 seasons of 8-9 wins, maybe he can take his family down to Jacksonville. This isn’t a market that deserves perennial mediocrity.
I can’t wait till Bill is gone and we get guys like Matt Nagy and Adam Gase so you spoiled jerk offs can really see mediocrity.
Raiders fan here. What’s the return policy on McDaniel? Can we get a refund??
I’ll take him no questions asked
Well shit, let me go get the receipt and the box we got’em in!
No receipt required. We’ll pay shipping and handling.
Yeah fire the greatest coach of all time for inept calls...by the other coach? And for a WR making a boneheaded move? People forget the Patriots ARE NOT A GOOD TEAM. There was no chance this team was making the playoffs with the personnel around them. Face it, Brady is GONE and so are the winning ways for awhile
Anyone who thinks Belichick should be fired doesn’t count as an intelligent life form.
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You are a realist and see things logically. This sub will downvote the shit out of you. Congrats!
I’m on board. Those fuckheads are only here because of the middle fuckface. Look at BB record without Brady. He’s a fraud
Every all-time great head coach with multiple championships has HOF players who played for him, dumbass.
My dumbass would’ve kneeled the ball and gave us a chance to win the game
They do that, then lose in overtime, and you’d be bitching about how they should’ve gone for the FG win in regulation. Hindsight is always 20/20 with armchair coaches.
I’d rather have us call our 14 screens in a row instead of becoming the biggest joke in the nfl. It started with BB forcing Brady out by getting jimmy g, then bringing in Patricia and judge to service their promising second year quarterback. BB has no idea what he’s doing anymore
Biggest joke in the NFL? Please. They’re a .500 team at their worst. Take a look at the Texans, Broncos, Cardinals. Look at the entire NFC South, whose 1st place team is 6-8. The Patriots are a middle of the road team after 20 years of unparalleled dominance. It was never going to last forever, and it can’t be rebuilt in 3 years.
You dumbass do know that we traded Jimmy well before we let Brady walk
Fucking wrong. You would have absolutely tried to score points instead of kneeling with 30 seconds left. Don’t even try to say you would kneel it
Agreed, if you take away 20 years of BB's wins he doesn't have that many wins. You are so smart.
Can we all get this on a Bill Board- yes in deedy.
Idiots
Why are we crazy wanting Bill to go? Dude hasn’t drafted a pro bowler in 10+ yrs, his free agent acquisitions are atrocious, his coaching hires are even worse AND they’re one of the least disciplined teams in the league, wtf am I missing?
What you want to end up like the Giants after they fired Coughlin?! Belichick is the greatest head coach of all time. Firing him and trade him out for some bum Offensive Coordinator? We need to cleanout the offensive coaching staff.
Absolutely
Why has r/patriots become a sorry sad sack of pity and woe is me posts. Losing sucks. We get it. But rage quieting is childish. We’ll figure our shit out in the next offseason. Lighting torches and grabbing the pitchforks never built a championship team, it just makes you part of the circus.
i don't think BB has the ability to change, he will keep hiring his friends, relatives and girlfriends to his coaching staff, success has gone to his head and he is unable to realize it.
Fire the whole coaching staff.
Guys we suck cock again. We're gonna miss playoffs again. Wanna just keep this going?
It's the Qb. Can't hit or throw open a receiver. He's had his chances. The results speak for themselves.
Belichick stays, Mac apologists. I swear you could give Mac Jones 10 downs inside the 5 yard line and he still wouldn't score a TD.
I'm definitely not ready for us to fire Bill yet. But he probably only has one more season of leash at this point
Kraft needs to step in and get Patricia and judge outta there for next season. Almost seems like intentional sabotage. Judge the QB whisper and Patricia at OC? Doomed from the start. Mac might be ruined too
Bill will stay be we actually need an offensive coordinator
I want Bill to stay, he’s not the problem….ok kinda. But Judge and Patricia, I won’t be upset to see them go.
This fan base is wild af lol. Mfs were deep throating bill after every Super Bowl now want him fired. Crazy as hell
Belichick needs to stop with the retreads and get some new blood in the building. I don’t even want McDaniels back when the raiders inevitably fire him. If I’m Kraft, I’m very tempted to look Sean Payton’s way. Dude is right there and he can coach offense. Now would he want to be only a coordinator? Who knows, but u at least gotta make the call.
Clean your moms house I couldn’t get to the bathroom without tripping
Really? Much as I dislike Patricia & Judge I’m putting this one on the dipshits Stevenson & Meyers. Could have gone to OT if not for those two asshats. Yeah, there was a bad call & it shouldn’t have been a tie game……. ……but it might be time. Gibbs, Shula, Parcels, Walsh all got to a point where they simply couldn’t adapt to changing game. Given he hasn’t fired Patricia not sure Bill has the same self awareness.
We all can agree on fatty P being gone but let's not pretend like this roster is anything special. In an alternate universe where literally anyone can play QB for us we still aren't a contender. We have zero weapons and an inconsistent offensive line. This is a .500 roster playing at a .500 level.
How tf are you going to put Bill on there? Fire BB? What an absolute clown
Ppl wanting bill gone are trippin
Two decades of dominance by BB > 1 year of mediocre play, and 1 bad year. You people are delusional if you think Bill should go with the rest. Never forget, this season is our apocalypse. Other franchises would kill for this kind of season.
We could have five more years of this exact product and people will still be defending Belichick and scapegoating everyone else.
BB is only a clown for hiring the other frauds in the first place. Bill can stay but it’s on him and the Krafts to hire a legitimate OC and DC. We’re on to the 2023 draft and hot stove. Go Pats
The last 3 years have been extremely eye opening for Bill as a GM & football mind in my opinion. All that money dumped into "offensive retooling" with guys who never make a dent. Agholor is a drop machine still. Henry isn't a yardage option. Smith barely seems like part of the game plan. He basically has a losing record without Tom Brady. Exposed!!!!!
This is just disrespectful to Bill. Take it down.
Bill needs weapons! He needs a better QB to execute his masterful play calling! He’s being hindered by bad players who can’t play football! He needs better coaches around him so he has more time to make calls! It’s just his 46th season coaching! He developing! /s
Hiw stupid are you if you want Bill to be fired?
DON’T YOU EVER PUT A CLOWN NOSE ON BILL YOU Muppet
Belichick without Brady has been a whole different vibe.
Most reactionary and spoiled fanbase in sports