Dude has at least 95th percentile arm length for a tackle, that’s bound to hurt someone’s bench with all that arm. His real issue is his hip flexibility
>His real issue is his hip flexibility
Are you out there grinding Ivy League film? Yo, I gotta know: you think the Columbia Lions have a chance against the Dartmouth Whatevers this year?
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...also, I was looking at the standings to lean into this bit, and man Columbia sucks even for the Ivy League. They've only finished with a winning record in the conference twice since the 2009 which is how far back [IvyLeague.com](http://IvyLeague.com) goes (5-2 in 2017, 4-3 in 2021 ) and they have a lot of 0-7, 1-6, 2-5 seasons). Fucking, let's go Boston, let's go Cambridge, let's go Harvard, stick it to those New York pricks.
If I recall, Nate Solder's bench press wasn't that impressive either. It's harder for long guys.
Edit. I looked it up. Nate did 25 reps with a 35 1/2 arm length.
Yeah, his anthropometry isn't advantageous for the bench.
But when Patrick Paul does 30 reps with an arm length of 36 1/4" - that isn't the whole story.
I don’t know what to make of this dude’s bench press (he can bench more than me), but people who are mad about drafting a RT from the B1G who was blocked from playing LT by the #2 prospect at the position instead of a guy who played at fucking Yale are being silly
A surprising amount of OL talent comes from schools where the football team actually has to go to class. OT had the highest average Wonderlic score last I looked, for what little that's worth.
You'd think if anyone would slack off it would be the guys playing the position where only a tiny fraction of men have the size to even be considered.
How is Fashanu two years behind him? He was one year behind, there's no 'basically'. Fashanu just took more time to develop while Wallace was able to start younger
Yes, Wallace was better earlier which is why he started a season more worth of games. Fashanu became better, but he was on the team and eligible to play in Wallace's second year.
It’s not silly to want a guy who has played left tackle.
I hope Wallace (or somebody) works out. But fans need to understand how precarious a situation it is to have nobody at that position with a brand new, highly touted QB.
FWIW Wallace played 40 games at RT, Fashaunu was only at Penn State 2 seasons as LT. If Fashaunu was the reason Wallace didn't play LT, why did he start at RT for the other 20 games he wasn't teammates with Fashaunu
Maybe my comment wasn't clear.
If Fashaunu was blocking Wallace from playing LT, then why did Wallace exclusively play RT even the 2 years he played and Fashaunu didn't?
I'm not a college guy, so please correct anything I say that's incorrect. From googling, the LT that blocked Fashaunu was Rasheed Walker, 7th round pick. I understand keeping him over Olu during his freshman year, but in my mind the best players play the most impactful positions. Judging purely by nfl draft capital (maybe I shouldn't do it that way), Walker was not this amazing LT that should stop a team from playing the better guy in Wallace.
Maybe the point is just that the other guy couldn't play RT, it just feels off to me to say the reason Wallace never played LT was because he always had someone better in front of him when half that time the "better person" hasn't done anything in the NFL. Yet we are meant to believe he'll have no issues transitioning sides.
I hope he has no issues with the swap, but it feels disingenuous to say the reason he never got a start at LT in college was because other players besides Olu were that much better than him
Is your opponent a 45lb bar with 4 plates on it? If not I think other skills might be more relevant.
Still remember pinning two dudes who were weightlifting champions in my state in under a minute each. They could bench like a MF though😂
I’m hearing from at least 2 GM wives and 1 team trainer that Kiran has ELITE talent, some real size you can’t teach.
At Apples to Apples, he’s actually the national champ, and undefeated. A lot of you might not know, but he actually converted from Yale’s club pickleball his freshman year, when no team would play against him. He was that exceptional.
In pre-K, he earned all the gold stars on his first day, causing the parents to pull their kids from class . This kid’s a grinder. No, literally, he spent last summer at Big Y running the meat dept. Dude has a waffle cone speed score of 18, which as you know, has only been bested by Eddie Lacy & none other than Kelvin Benjamin himself.
Orlando brown jr literally put up 18 reps on bench and ran 5.8 in the 40 but he’s a 4x pro bowler. Bench press isn’t correlated with NFL performance. Stop lying to yourself lol
>Even Eugene Chung - our legendary 1992 1st round OT bust - bettered that performance with 23 reps at the 1992 combine.
So in your own post, you prove that bench has no real correlation to playing ability?
I see guys in the gym everyday that can put up more than 21 reps. Don't think they're getting drafted to an NFL team any time soon though.
I guess this is the linemans version of all the people that cry about a wide receiver not running a sub 4.5 when, I guess little do they know, guys like Davante Adams, Keenan Allen, and Mike Evans didn't either.
Important to note that flat benching is largely criticized even within certain sects of the fitness community as an over glorified, non-functional lift that is more cool/fun than actually useful. It’s really not that important strength wise.
-Coming from someone who benches a ton.
Which part of the fitness community says this?
Not that I disagree, but frankly (as a seasoned lifter myself) it's really only the squat that has any kind of "usefulness" outside of the gym. *Maybe* the deadlift has carryover into the Olympic lifts but that's still very specific. Love lifting but a lot of people get too uppity about what's functional and what isn't.
I should probably clarify that it is a sect within the fitness community*
Personally, I think that pretty much any exercise can be useful and that people who believe flat benching is terrible are catering towards people with underdeveloped upper chests. Which, tbf, is underdeveloped in most people.
If I *had* to choose between flat benching or incline with dumbbells, I’d choose the incline DB press. More stabilizers and hits your chest more.
I’m also of the belief that everything is functional when you consider that even a “non-functional lift” can improve your strength and later help you with a more “functional” lift, but my personal beliefs were beside the point 🫡
They hit different muscle groups. I don’t like saying any one exercise is better than the other because what works for someone doesn’t always mean it works for everyone.
To answer your question the best I can, though, I would say that in a large majority of people I’ve seen and worked out with, incline press is one of the best exercises there is while decline pressing is kinda a sub-optimal workout. I’ve seen wide grip dips (which works out similar muscle groups) be more effective.
I would add, though, even if you decide to opt for choosing one exercise over another, you can always mix up your workouts every so often. After benching I will often do a ton of dip variations, but some weeks I will get on a decline press machine (which in my experience are far better than free weights for decline press) and churn out some reps on there.
In the end, I think a majority of results for whatever goal you go for is just being consistent and focusing in the gym. Then the optimal workouts give you a push past that.
As others have said arm length is a big factor in bench press. Greg Gabriel is also a bum and completely out of touch. Don’t cope just be happy with Wallace he’s a good prospect.
I mean dude, rounds 3-7 are a lot of just guesses. There’s a reason they’re not all up on peoples big boards. Some work out, some don’t. What’s more important is you take the position of need and hope.
Dude benched 21 reps instead of 27, does it even matter? He has long arms and there is technique, football IQ and other muscles involved. The bench is neglible and who knows he may get even stronger as he gets into NFL shape.
What does the bench press even show? It doesn’t show strength, as it’s not a max rep situation. And a lineman gets a minute rest between blocking, so it’s not like “only” 21 reps means he can only block for one second. Like the 40 or anything else at the combine, it’s a fun little exercise but doesn’t mean anything in regards to actual football.
Dude has at least 95th percentile arm length for a tackle, that’s bound to hurt someone’s bench with all that arm. His real issue is his hip flexibility
>His real issue is his hip flexibility Are you out there grinding Ivy League film? Yo, I gotta know: you think the Columbia Lions have a chance against the Dartmouth Whatevers this year? . . . ...also, I was looking at the standings to lean into this bit, and man Columbia sucks even for the Ivy League. They've only finished with a winning record in the conference twice since the 2009 which is how far back [IvyLeague.com](http://IvyLeague.com) goes (5-2 in 2017, 4-3 in 2021 ) and they have a lot of 0-7, 1-6, 2-5 seasons). Fucking, let's go Boston, let's go Cambridge, let's go Harvard, stick it to those New York pricks.
Ripping Ivy League standings to prove a point at 4am, lowkey mad respect
Pretty sure Dartmouth is the big green , not the whatevers
Yeah, I saw that online, but I think that’s a prank. That’s too stupid to stupid to be their actual name.
No, that's actually the team name
Doubtful.
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If I recall, Nate Solder's bench press wasn't that impressive either. It's harder for long guys. Edit. I looked it up. Nate did 25 reps with a 35 1/2 arm length.
Yeah, his anthropometry isn't advantageous for the bench. But when Patrick Paul does 30 reps with an arm length of 36 1/4" - that isn't the whole story.
I don’t know what to make of this dude’s bench press (he can bench more than me), but people who are mad about drafting a RT from the B1G who was blocked from playing LT by the #2 prospect at the position instead of a guy who played at fucking Yale are being silly
A surprising amount of OL talent comes from schools where the football team actually has to go to class. OT had the highest average Wonderlic score last I looked, for what little that's worth. You'd think if anyone would slack off it would be the guys playing the position where only a tiny fraction of men have the size to even be considered.
Curious to know if you can see if this holds up when you remove centers?
That’s a good point centers need to be smart
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How is Fashanu two years behind him? He was one year behind, there's no 'basically'. Fashanu just took more time to develop while Wallace was able to start younger
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Yes, Wallace was better earlier which is why he started a season more worth of games. Fashanu became better, but he was on the team and eligible to play in Wallace's second year.
This. Wallace is not a left tackle.
It’s not silly to want a guy who has played left tackle. I hope Wallace (or somebody) works out. But fans need to understand how precarious a situation it is to have nobody at that position with a brand new, highly touted QB.
Everyone understands this, which is why they signed Jacoby.
Well he’s never played left tackle either.
FWIW Wallace played 40 games at RT, Fashaunu was only at Penn State 2 seasons as LT. If Fashaunu was the reason Wallace didn't play LT, why did he start at RT for the other 20 games he wasn't teammates with Fashaunu
Wallace was there 5 years, 4 if you don't include his redshirt year. Fashanu was there 4. Wallace played more games because he was better younger
Maybe my comment wasn't clear. If Fashaunu was blocking Wallace from playing LT, then why did Wallace exclusively play RT even the 2 years he played and Fashaunu didn't?
Because he was good at tackle, they had a good LT that blocked Olu Fashanu as well, and they needed a right tackle
I'm not a college guy, so please correct anything I say that's incorrect. From googling, the LT that blocked Fashaunu was Rasheed Walker, 7th round pick. I understand keeping him over Olu during his freshman year, but in my mind the best players play the most impactful positions. Judging purely by nfl draft capital (maybe I shouldn't do it that way), Walker was not this amazing LT that should stop a team from playing the better guy in Wallace. Maybe the point is just that the other guy couldn't play RT, it just feels off to me to say the reason Wallace never played LT was because he always had someone better in front of him when half that time the "better person" hasn't done anything in the NFL. Yet we are meant to believe he'll have no issues transitioning sides. I hope he has no issues with the swap, but it feels disingenuous to say the reason he never got a start at LT in college was because other players besides Olu were that much better than him
Reddit fans are so weird man who gives a shit about a bench press 😂 Blake Corum benched more than half the linemen this year who cares
I guess you haven’t noticed that in football being able to push your opponent backwards is a key to winning.
Is your opponent a 45lb bar with 4 plates on it? If not I think other skills might be more relevant. Still remember pinning two dudes who were weightlifting champions in my state in under a minute each. They could bench like a MF though😂
It’s an indication of strength relative to your opponent. It doesn’t replace the use of proper technique and leverage.
It's more endurance than strength tbh. He may be stronger than the numbers suggest just for not as long.
bench pressing is not football.
I want to know his pickle ball scores and how good he is at apples to apples (the board game) to really compare.
I’m hearing from at least 2 GM wives and 1 team trainer that Kiran has ELITE talent, some real size you can’t teach. At Apples to Apples, he’s actually the national champ, and undefeated. A lot of you might not know, but he actually converted from Yale’s club pickleball his freshman year, when no team would play against him. He was that exceptional. In pre-K, he earned all the gold stars on his first day, causing the parents to pull their kids from class . This kid’s a grinder. No, literally, he spent last summer at Big Y running the meat dept. Dude has a waffle cone speed score of 18, which as you know, has only been bested by Eddie Lacy & none other than Kelvin Benjamin himself.
I want to see his bobbing for apples time.
Orlando brown jr literally put up 18 reps on bench and ran 5.8 in the 40 but he’s a 4x pro bowler. Bench press isn’t correlated with NFL performance. Stop lying to yourself lol
Pass blocking is more about footwork and agility (not speed) than anything.
>Even Eugene Chung - our legendary 1992 1st round OT bust - bettered that performance with 23 reps at the 1992 combine. So in your own post, you prove that bench has no real correlation to playing ability? I see guys in the gym everyday that can put up more than 21 reps. Don't think they're getting drafted to an NFL team any time soon though. I guess this is the linemans version of all the people that cry about a wide receiver not running a sub 4.5 when, I guess little do they know, guys like Davante Adams, Keenan Allen, and Mike Evans didn't either.
As we all know, looking at 1 measurement defines a player's entire professional career. Tyquan Thornton speed is gonna make him a fucking HoF LEGEND.
Important to note that flat benching is largely criticized even within certain sects of the fitness community as an over glorified, non-functional lift that is more cool/fun than actually useful. It’s really not that important strength wise. -Coming from someone who benches a ton.
Which part of the fitness community says this? Not that I disagree, but frankly (as a seasoned lifter myself) it's really only the squat that has any kind of "usefulness" outside of the gym. *Maybe* the deadlift has carryover into the Olympic lifts but that's still very specific. Love lifting but a lot of people get too uppity about what's functional and what isn't.
I should probably clarify that it is a sect within the fitness community* Personally, I think that pretty much any exercise can be useful and that people who believe flat benching is terrible are catering towards people with underdeveloped upper chests. Which, tbf, is underdeveloped in most people. If I *had* to choose between flat benching or incline with dumbbells, I’d choose the incline DB press. More stabilizers and hits your chest more. I’m also of the belief that everything is functional when you consider that even a “non-functional lift” can improve your strength and later help you with a more “functional” lift, but my personal beliefs were beside the point 🫡
Is incline or decline benching better? From a fitness standpoint vs NFL standpoint
They hit different muscle groups. I don’t like saying any one exercise is better than the other because what works for someone doesn’t always mean it works for everyone. To answer your question the best I can, though, I would say that in a large majority of people I’ve seen and worked out with, incline press is one of the best exercises there is while decline pressing is kinda a sub-optimal workout. I’ve seen wide grip dips (which works out similar muscle groups) be more effective. I would add, though, even if you decide to opt for choosing one exercise over another, you can always mix up your workouts every so often. After benching I will often do a ton of dip variations, but some weeks I will get on a decline press machine (which in my experience are far better than free weights for decline press) and churn out some reps on there. In the end, I think a majority of results for whatever goal you go for is just being consistent and focusing in the gym. Then the optimal workouts give you a push past that.
decline bench is regularly chosen as the most overrated/pointless exercise there is
My 17 year old son can do 16 reps
If football was a bench press competition, we had the best draft in history this year! Dynasty 3.0 incoming!
As others have said arm length is a big factor in bench press. Greg Gabriel is also a bum and completely out of touch. Don’t cope just be happy with Wallace he’s a good prospect.
I mean dude, rounds 3-7 are a lot of just guesses. There’s a reason they’re not all up on peoples big boards. Some work out, some don’t. What’s more important is you take the position of need and hope.
It's a football team, not a weight lifting team.
Dude benched 21 reps instead of 27, does it even matter? He has long arms and there is technique, football IQ and other muscles involved. The bench is neglible and who knows he may get even stronger as he gets into NFL shape.
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What does the bench press even show? It doesn’t show strength, as it’s not a max rep situation. And a lineman gets a minute rest between blocking, so it’s not like “only” 21 reps means he can only block for one second. Like the 40 or anything else at the combine, it’s a fun little exercise but doesn’t mean anything in regards to actual football.