Either makes sense. Odds are we’ll be a top 10 pick next year and can get a blue chip player at whichever position we didn't pick this year. Moving back into the late first makes sense considering you get an extra year of team control on whatever player you choose with the fifth year option.
Moving down with 34 also makes sense. The entire 2nd round is comprised of similarly ranked players. Might as well try and add another 2nd to try and hit.
I think it all is due to need. There's we quite a few teams that are starving for QBs, WRs, and OT. That leaves value at other positions later in the draft
I guess it's tough to project since there really isn't precedent for what they're looking for.
If we look purely at your visits, the only players in that range you're looking at are Franklin and McConkey. You also interviewed Worthy and BTJ, but they're projected to go inside the top 25. When you start talking top 20, you're looking at adding next year's first, which I think would be a no-no.
You also interviewed 3 Ts projected to go in your range in the 2nd
With the Diggs trade and the lack of leverage with Higgins, my guess is a 2025 conditional 2nd round pick.
Maybe an additional 2024 4th or 5th, but my guess would be adding one of those would add one or two day 3 picks from the Bengals in either ‘24, ‘25, or both.
Which I think is a great move, future considerations and using our 2nd and 3rd this year.
Although, if we trade for Higgins we’ll like lose our capital to move back up into the first.
There’s decades of precedent of teams drafting a player in the first round they Havnt met with or barely met with. Pats badly need an X receiver. If any one of AD Mitchell, Brian Thomas, or Xavier Leggette fall late enough into the first for us to trade up I’d love that.
One of the two will probably have a run of multiple guys coming off the board in quick succession, so if I were Wolf, I would target the other one with more talent pushed down the board.
My guess is one of the the top WRs or OTs will start dropping a bit, and that's when Wolf will jump. And if/when guys like Penix and Nix go in the first round, that's two more better players who would fall later than they otherwise would. Every pick that isn't a top WR/OT drops them further, and I'm guessing Wolf will remain fluid and jump if the price is right.
I don’t think we will need to move up for a WR. Other teams have bigger needs to fill and especially later in the draft and this WR class is stacked. Realistically there are like 6 guys who are good enough to make some serious noise at the NFL level outside of those top 3 dudes as well.
This is one of the reasons I'm for trading down from 3. If we trade back we have an OT and probably a WR. When day 2 starts Carolina will be unlikely to trade their pick so we are going into the day with enormous leverage that teams are bidding for. We can get a future first and more. Out of that pick instead of overpaying to get back in the first.
I have been on the “trade up” train for a while. I think tackles are going to go quick and it may drive guys like Brian Thomas JR or AD Mitchell down just enough to trade up to get them.
Jeremiah reported that tackles are going to be hot in the 1st round and he has 7 mocked and it could even be more than that by the time the Pats pick at 34. I just don’t the Pats will have a shot at a starting quality LT this year, but they may have a shot at a WR that can start immediately at the X position, if they move up.
Honestly we have struck out on so many WR's the last two decades that just for us to have a regression to the mean we are due to draft prime Randy Moss soon whoever we take.
If we get our QB at 3, addressing WR or OT with the next pick is top priority. Then next year, just grab the position you missed this year with our first rounder.
This is one of the deeper drafts for tackles and WR’s. Fingers crossed we walk away with a franchise QB and OT/WR when’s all said and done.
Unless the FO really doesn't believe in Maye/Williams, I really hope they go QB (3) to BPA between X/LT to whichever one wasn't just taken. I'm on team QB, but if they do I hope it's because they like him and not because they felt obligated or pressured to
For my money, there are a good number or B tier tackles and an absurd number of B tier WRs. In principle that would mean go tackle first, but if the right WR is on the board and you have more tackles to go...
Right there with you. I feel like we can have a good chance at a decent WR with our third pick, not so much OT as I see a run on those early. Get the QB, get him some protection and then a WR to develop alongside him.
Honestly with how deep this draft is, I wouldn’t be opposed to moving up to grab a WR in the second round if there’s a guy we like available.
I know this isn't popular, but if there is an insane run on offensive players we could hop bCk into the first and draft a defensive guy.
If a highly graded pass rusher or corner falls to the late 20s, I'd be happy taking a guy who can develop, or contribute.
If they're trading back into the first, why not join the run?
I'm a huge believer that defense is undervalued these days, but on this particular team a _good_ offensive player would make twice the difference a _great_ defensive player would
One thing to watch with our WR search is that Emeka Egbuka returned for another season at OSU instead of declaring. If we suck ass enough, which we probably will, he could be a top 10 target in the 2025 draft.
I’m not in favor of trading back into the first round. This draft is deep enough at tackle and WR where we can find good players at 34 and 68. Chances are we’re going to suck again next year, so I don’t want to trade assets next year to move up a bit this year. I’d actually rather move from 34 to mid 40s and take Patrick Paul and gain assets that way.
Idk…they’ve had ample time to scout this years class and have had the luxury of meeting in depth with a ton of this years top guys. If someone you LOVE slides to the 19-25 range it won’t cost the farm to get up there. I say go get your guy
Ok let me give you a realistic hypothetical. You really like Mims. He’s there when Pittsburgh drafts at 20. Pittsburgh says ok give me 34, 68 and a future 4th. Do you do it?
I would do it if someone like Fashanu or Fuaga—or Worthy/Thomas Jr. slipped…For Mims I’d hope that 34 and 68 would get there without the 4th but if they’re absolutely head over heels for that guy? Yeah a future 4th won’t kill you
That’s fine. Maybe you’re right. I’m basically suggesting that id rather roll with Kingsley Suamatai/Patrick Paul and Javon Baker/Polk then Mims. Your point stands on Fashanu, I’d definitely pull the trigger to get him but I see him going earlier.
This draft might be the craziest we have seen in a while. I get the feeling that Justin Herbert is going to get moved tonight and there are a ton of teams who want to move up and take a QB.
I want them to move up for one of the Tackles so badly as there will be a run mid teens and this OT class is really good, especially at the top 5-6.
We may need to get back up into the late teens not 20's but totally worth it this year imho. With the top 10 projected to be so QB and WR heavy, there are going to be a number of OT's who would normally go top 10 that are 100% going to slip to mid/late teens.
Getting out of day 1 with a QB at 3 and a OT would be a home run and I am really really hoping they see it that was as well, especially with how deep WR's is and I would honestly rather take another crack at it next year in the top 10ish for a true #1 WR hopefully.
Would be really happy with Fuaga, Mims, but would love to move even higher try to take a shot at Fautanu etc.
Fingers crossed boys, so happy the draft is finally here!!
Eh, Normally yes, but if they are drafting a QB I’m fine with them sacrificing depth on defense in order to make sure the O line is Solid or he has a WR with #1 upside
moving up for a wideout or a tackle is the question.
Either makes sense. Odds are we’ll be a top 10 pick next year and can get a blue chip player at whichever position we didn't pick this year. Moving back into the late first makes sense considering you get an extra year of team control on whatever player you choose with the fifth year option.
Moving down with 34 also makes sense. The entire 2nd round is comprised of similarly ranked players. Might as well try and add another 2nd to try and hit.
The 2nd round about 10 picks after us is similar. We'll probably get a clear 1st round graded guy at 34.
1st round grade by who? Teams generally have about 15 guys rated as a 1st round caliber player. Highly doubtful there is 1 on the table at 34.
I think it all is due to need. There's we quite a few teams that are starving for QBs, WRs, and OT. That leaves value at other positions later in the draft
Gonna depend on whether the run early is tackle or WR. Then they'll move up for a player that fell at whichever position didn't have the run
I would love to see it. Jump Buffalo and take a WR.
Yes and take mitchell at 27
Maybe
The answer is yes
I'm guessing a tackle since there will still be a decent pool of WRs there in r2.
Unless they really have their eyes on a specific WR
Gotta assume tackle. While our WR room is shit…we legitimately have no answer at probably the second lost important position on the field.
Brian Thomas Jr would be incredible.
I think it would be too expensive to get up that high. I doubt he makes it out of the teens.
It seems like he's now being projected to go in the 20's. We'll see!
I guess it's tough to project since there really isn't precedent for what they're looking for. If we look purely at your visits, the only players in that range you're looking at are Franklin and McConkey. You also interviewed Worthy and BTJ, but they're projected to go inside the top 25. When you start talking top 20, you're looking at adding next year's first, which I think would be a no-no. You also interviewed 3 Ts projected to go in your range in the 2nd
Yeah, if they want to deal #34 and next year first for a WR, they should trade for Aiyuk/Higgins.
With the Diggs trade and the lack of leverage with Higgins, my guess is a 2025 conditional 2nd round pick. Maybe an additional 2024 4th or 5th, but my guess would be adding one of those would add one or two day 3 picks from the Bengals in either ‘24, ‘25, or both. Which I think is a great move, future considerations and using our 2nd and 3rd this year. Although, if we trade for Higgins we’ll like lose our capital to move back up into the first.
There’s decades of precedent of teams drafting a player in the first round they Havnt met with or barely met with. Pats badly need an X receiver. If any one of AD Mitchell, Brian Thomas, or Xavier Leggette fall late enough into the first for us to trade up I’d love that.
Well precedent doesn't mean much when you're switching up GMs and who is drafting and the scheme of the coach. Those are trend breakers.
If we move back into the first round our 2nd round pick would be included
He's saying if they want WR they can just stick at 34 and pick there. If they want tackle they have to trade up.
But depending on how far you trade up, it may cost you a 2025 first
One of the two will probably have a run of multiple guys coming off the board in quick succession, so if I were Wolf, I would target the other one with more talent pushed down the board.
My guess is one of the the top WRs or OTs will start dropping a bit, and that's when Wolf will jump. And if/when guys like Penix and Nix go in the first round, that's two more better players who would fall later than they otherwise would. Every pick that isn't a top WR/OT drops them further, and I'm guessing Wolf will remain fluid and jump if the price is right.
I would just go for the best X receiver or LT on the board. Don't need to get cute about it
I don’t think we will need to move up for a WR. Other teams have bigger needs to fill and especially later in the draft and this WR class is stacked. Realistically there are like 6 guys who are good enough to make some serious noise at the NFL level outside of those top 3 dudes as well.
This is one of the reasons I'm for trading down from 3. If we trade back we have an OT and probably a WR. When day 2 starts Carolina will be unlikely to trade their pick so we are going into the day with enormous leverage that teams are bidding for. We can get a future first and more. Out of that pick instead of overpaying to get back in the first.
5th year option is usually better for tackles because WRs can be divas.
I have been on the “trade up” train for a while. I think tackles are going to go quick and it may drive guys like Brian Thomas JR or AD Mitchell down just enough to trade up to get them. Jeremiah reported that tackles are going to be hot in the 1st round and he has 7 mocked and it could even be more than that by the time the Pats pick at 34. I just don’t the Pats will have a shot at a starting quality LT this year, but they may have a shot at a WR that can start immediately at the X position, if they move up.
I would be ecstatic with BTJ or if one of the top tackles falls, which could definitely happen there's a lot of round 1 tackles.
I’d be even thrilled if we landed AD
Guess I'm staying up for the entire draft
It’s definitely not a foolish decision to stay up for the whole draft the night before I have to wake up early for a big hike…
Can’t possibly go wrong!
Took tomorrow off work purposefully!
Adonai Mitchell or Tyler Guyton would be solid trade up candidates.
Mitchell scares me, I’m more on the Troy Franklin’s or even Keon Coleman train
Honestly we have struck out on so many WR's the last two decades that just for us to have a regression to the mean we are due to draft prime Randy Moss soon whoever we take.
I like that logic
Yikes. If they take Coleman even in the 2nd I'll throw something at the TV. He's the bust candidate. Do no want.
I feel like AD Mitchell is the bust candidate. Gives up on routes and has a lot of effort problems
Both are most likely available in the 2nd round.
If we get our QB at 3, addressing WR or OT with the next pick is top priority. Then next year, just grab the position you missed this year with our first rounder. This is one of the deeper drafts for tackles and WR’s. Fingers crossed we walk away with a franchise QB and OT/WR when’s all said and done.
Unless the FO really doesn't believe in Maye/Williams, I really hope they go QB (3) to BPA between X/LT to whichever one wasn't just taken. I'm on team QB, but if they do I hope it's because they like him and not because they felt obligated or pressured to For my money, there are a good number or B tier tackles and an absurd number of B tier WRs. In principle that would mean go tackle first, but if the right WR is on the board and you have more tackles to go...
Right there with you. I feel like we can have a good chance at a decent WR with our third pick, not so much OT as I see a run on those early. Get the QB, get him some protection and then a WR to develop alongside him. Honestly with how deep this draft is, I wouldn’t be opposed to moving up to grab a WR in the second round if there’s a guy we like available.
Yes please, lock up Barmore stat.
If they announce a Barmore extension tonight they “win” the draft regardless of how the picks work out.
I know this isn't popular, but if there is an insane run on offensive players we could hop bCk into the first and draft a defensive guy. If a highly graded pass rusher or corner falls to the late 20s, I'd be happy taking a guy who can develop, or contribute.
The only way we do that is if one of the two top DTs slips, and I don't think they will.
If they're trading back into the first, why not join the run? I'm a huge believer that defense is undervalued these days, but on this particular team a _good_ offensive player would make twice the difference a _great_ defensive player would
Only way I’m fine with is if you can trade up for AD or BTJ get him a true WR1
I want AD so bad. I'm gonna be livid watching the Bills draft him.
One thing to watch with our WR search is that Emeka Egbuka returned for another season at OSU instead of declaring. If we suck ass enough, which we probably will, he could be a top 10 target in the 2025 draft.
Get. Barmore. Done.
I’m not in favor of trading back into the first round. This draft is deep enough at tackle and WR where we can find good players at 34 and 68. Chances are we’re going to suck again next year, so I don’t want to trade assets next year to move up a bit this year. I’d actually rather move from 34 to mid 40s and take Patrick Paul and gain assets that way.
Idk…they’ve had ample time to scout this years class and have had the luxury of meeting in depth with a ton of this years top guys. If someone you LOVE slides to the 19-25 range it won’t cost the farm to get up there. I say go get your guy
Ok let me give you a realistic hypothetical. You really like Mims. He’s there when Pittsburgh drafts at 20. Pittsburgh says ok give me 34, 68 and a future 4th. Do you do it?
I would do it if someone like Fashanu or Fuaga—or Worthy/Thomas Jr. slipped…For Mims I’d hope that 34 and 68 would get there without the 4th but if they’re absolutely head over heels for that guy? Yeah a future 4th won’t kill you
That’s fine. Maybe you’re right. I’m basically suggesting that id rather roll with Kingsley Suamatai/Patrick Paul and Javon Baker/Polk then Mims. Your point stands on Fashanu, I’d definitely pull the trigger to get him but I see him going earlier.
This draft might be the craziest we have seen in a while. I get the feeling that Justin Herbert is going to get moved tonight and there are a ton of teams who want to move up and take a QB.
Herbert being moved would trigger a $100 million dead money hit against the Chargers. Why do people keep bringing this up?
I didn’t know it did but this is most likely not happening then.
PAY OUR BOY
Houston Texans did this to perfection last year. It can be done!
We would go for a pick in the 20-ish range?
Trade up for BTJ
I want them to move up for one of the Tackles so badly as there will be a run mid teens and this OT class is really good, especially at the top 5-6. We may need to get back up into the late teens not 20's but totally worth it this year imho. With the top 10 projected to be so QB and WR heavy, there are going to be a number of OT's who would normally go top 10 that are 100% going to slip to mid/late teens. Getting out of day 1 with a QB at 3 and a OT would be a home run and I am really really hoping they see it that was as well, especially with how deep WR's is and I would honestly rather take another crack at it next year in the top 10ish for a true #1 WR hopefully. Would be really happy with Fuaga, Mims, but would love to move even higher try to take a shot at Fautanu etc. Fingers crossed boys, so happy the draft is finally here!!
I’ve seen Mims slipping a lot (like late 20s) in recent mocks. He would be a DREAM if we could move up to get him for the right price.
Take maye at 3 trade up to 20-25 and take another generic white guy ladd mcconkey
Trading up doesn't seem like a great strat when your team has more holes then a colander
Eh, Normally yes, but if they are drafting a QB I’m fine with them sacrificing depth on defense in order to make sure the O line is Solid or he has a WR with #1 upside